Re: [MBZ] Posers

2008-08-09 Thread Kevin Kraly
(I've seen people try to do it, resulting in an odd shaped tailgate when the 
gooseneck hits the gate and bends it)

BTDT!  I caught my dad a bit too late as I heard the 5th wheel kiss the gate 
before he got the truck stopped.  It put a slight dent in the gate's inner 
panel, but could have been A LOT worse if he was going any faster!  In a 
later episode, he ended up dropping the trailer onto the truck bed and 
crushing it!  We got a nice, used bed, had it painted and put on, and sold 
the whole setup after taking our last trip in it.

Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
1983 300sD 267Kmi, Ursula 


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Re: [MBZ] Ballard

2008-08-09 Thread Mitch Haley
Redghost wrote:
 Now that truly sucks!  I have been following his progress wondering  
 when we would be able to see his work on the road and ready for prime  
 time use.

I always figured that would be some time after the first successful hydrogen 
well was drilled. ;-)

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: syncronized swimming is def the new hotness

2008-08-09 Thread Luther
Look at the ladies playing tennis also.

Luther

Rolf Martin-Hoster wrote:
 http://machochip.com/Bia%20And%20Branca%20Feres%202.jpg

 Also anyone know if Allison Stokke is on the Olympic team? I'd like to
 give her a pole to vault..

 http://thefront.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/stokke.jpg?w=275h=400


 Man, I have never been so excited about the summer Olympics. They
 even have a black dude on the Russian basketball team.

 -Rolf

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Re: [MBZ] 1980 240D advice

2008-08-09 Thread Luther
I seem to remember a conversation while in your car.
Me: Do you have this thing floored?
Don: No, I do not want to loose Regina (driving a mid '90's 420SEL) and 
Kaleb (driving John's '91or2 300D 2.5). 

Luther

Wonko the Sane wrote:
 I occasionally have to drive on I-80 and I-35 in the Ames and Des Moines
 areas. Granted, we don't have any on-ramps with a 15 percent uphill grade,
 but I've never had issues with getting up to respectable speed before
 merging in my amazingly-slow 240D, and my particular vehicle is among the
 slowest of the slow.

 Just ask any IowaQ attendees who had to follow me down to my office.

 Yea, it is max force on the pedal and lean slightly forward but I am
 normally up to at least 60 mph (with a speed limit of 65 mph, meaning 75) by
 the time I need to merge.

 Most limited access highways were constructed with sufficient acceleration
 room prior to merging.

 On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 7:38 PM, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

   
 I feel that unless one lives in an area where they are likely to be shot or
 otherwise attacked, then the hard-charging drivers who tailgate can drive
 off into oblivion and die, wasting fuel all the way.

 

   

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Re: [MBZ] 1980 240D advice

2008-08-09 Thread Curt Raymond
And here I thought I was the lone dissenting voice.
MA is a state known for agressive drivers and I drove my 240D for something 
like 50,000 miles commuting 90 miles daily. It regularly made trips into Boston 
including the fabled 128 corridor. It also regularly was pulled to the governor 
and held there for an hour at a time.

Nobody would mistake it for a fast car but it was a totally adequate daily 
driver. Sure I got flipped off occasionally and less frequently honked at but I 
think its looking old and in the case of my 240D pretty ratty, helped people 
put things into perspective.

-Curt

Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 17:38:02 -0700
From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1980 240D advice
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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I feel that unless one lives in an area where they are likely to be shot or
otherwise attacked, then the hard-charging drivers who tailgate can drive
off into oblivion and die, wasting fuel all the way.

The 240D has all the power to accelerate that is needed, except for up steep
hills with a lot of cargo.

I like that it's being acknowledged more in the media these days that hard
acceleration wastes fuel. Of course, this is not so much the case with
diesels - I mean accelerating faster taking more fuel?

Brian

Steve echoed: But I echo the note about freeways. Not only
merging, but even keeping up with urban freeway traffic patterns isn't a fun
proposition.


  
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Re: [MBZ] Exciting

2008-08-09 Thread Rich Thomas
I worked at the airport back in college days, and the fire trucks they 
had at that time would do 0-60 in one minute, belching huge clouds of 
diesel exhaust.  But I still wanted one.

--R

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Re: [MBZ] 1980 240D advice

2008-08-09 Thread Rich Thomas
Did you read the Herald, shave, talk on the phone, and curse at other 
drivers (all at the same time) while commuting on 128?

--R

Curt Raymond wrote:
 And here I thought I was the lone dissenting voice.
 MA is a state known for agressive drivers and I drove my 240D for something 
 like 50,000 miles commuting 90 miles daily. It regularly made trips into 
 Boston including the fabled 128 corridor. It also regularly was pulled to the 
 governor and held there for an hour at a time.

 Nobody would mistake it for a fast car but it was a totally adequate daily 
 driver. Sure I got flipped off occasionally and less frequently honked at but 
 I think its looking old and in the case of my 240D pretty ratty, helped 
 people put things into perspective.

 -Curt

 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 17:38:02 -0700
 From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1980 240D advice
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Message-ID:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

 I feel that unless one lives in an area where they are likely to be shot or
 otherwise attacked, then the hard-charging drivers who tailgate can drive
 off into oblivion and die, wasting fuel all the way.

 The 240D has all the power to accelerate that is needed, except for up steep
 hills with a lot of cargo.

 I like that it's being acknowledged more in the media these days that hard
 acceleration wastes fuel. Of course, this is not so much the case with
 diesels - I mean accelerating faster taking more fuel?

 Brian

 Steve echoed: But I echo the note about freeways. Not only
 merging, but even keeping up with urban freeway traffic patterns isn't a fun
 proposition.


   
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[MBZ] (no subject)

2008-08-09 Thread Danny Goldberg

Danny,
Glad to hear that-that was my guess. One more thing.  Put at least a couple
pre filters in the car before you go to VT-you could still have crud in the
tank that will reappear.  Ask me how I know.
Dwight 

Dwight,

Got to VT the car was back to it's usual great self, found myself doing 85 a 
few times with out even realizing it and accelerating going up the hills when i 
wanted to pass!! The only victim was the mileage which looks to be back to 32 
- 33, judging by the gage, haven't t refilled yet.

Always have a pre-filter in the trunk in the tool bag, the one in the car that 
i swapped out was not too bad looking,  Tend to change them every 10K when  
doing  Mobil1  filter changes, i buy them 6 to 10 at a time from Rusty, figure 
it's cheap insurance. It turns out the main filter was in too long;  missed it 
on the last 30K major workup. Won't do that again!!

Interesting that i missed a big clue on the last few trips the mileage was too 
good to be true i was getting 37 on the road and 35 in my daily commute of 65 
miles round trip. Guess there is something to a lean fuel mixture - if there 
are no hills to climb : ).

 danny 

68 200d 126,000 my toy
85 300d 166K (spare car)
90 300d 84K (donor car RIP)
91 300d 333,400 miles, my daily driver
93 300d 171K (resurrected by donor car)
96 Subaru Legacy 87K (wife's car)



  

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Re: [MBZ] how to know when rust is terminal...

2008-08-09 Thread Allan Streib
Well the electrolysis is going well.  Left the tank in overnight, and
all the rust appears to be converted, and the paint that had rust
bubbles under it is now very loose and easily scrapes off revealing
shiny steel underneath.

Only problem is that the poly sheeting I am using to line the crate
had a small tear in it near the top of one side, so I can't completely
fill the box and fully submerge the tank.  So I'm having to rotate the
thing periodically and it's tanking twice as long.

Sure beats scraping and wire brushing though.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D

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Re: [MBZ] 1980 240D advice

2008-08-09 Thread Curt Raymond
I never commuted on 128, I've driven fast on it at 2am though...
Commuting on 128 is a  lot like walking on 128...

-Curt

--- On Sat, 8/9/08, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1980 240D advice
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Date: Saturday, August 9, 2008, 10:04 AM

Did you read the Herald, shave, talk on the phone, and curse at other 
drivers (all at the same time) while commuting on 128?

--R

Curt Raymond wrote:
 And here I thought I was the lone dissenting voice.
 MA is a state known for agressive drivers and I drove my 240D for
something like 50,000 miles commuting 90 miles daily. It regularly made trips
into Boston including the fabled 128 corridor. It also regularly was pulled to
the governor and held there for an hour at a time.

 Nobody would mistake it for a fast car but it was a totally adequate daily
driver. Sure I got flipped off occasionally and less frequently honked at but I
think its looking old and in the case of my 240D pretty ratty,
helped people put things into perspective.

 -Curt

 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 17:38:02 -0700
 From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1980 240D advice
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Message-ID:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

 I feel that unless one lives in an area where they are likely to be shot
or
 otherwise attacked, then the hard-charging drivers who tailgate can drive
 off into oblivion and die, wasting fuel all the way.

 The 240D has all the power to accelerate that is needed, except for up
steep
 hills with a lot of cargo.

 I like that it's being acknowledged more in the media these days that
hard
 acceleration wastes fuel. Of course, this is not so much the case with
 diesels - I mean accelerating faster taking more fuel?

 Brian

 Steve echoed: But I echo the note about freeways. Not only
 merging, but even keeping up with urban freeway traffic patterns isn't
a fun
 proposition.


   
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Re: [MBZ] 1980 240D advice

2008-08-09 Thread Rich Thomas
I was getting on 128 off 93N one morning, traffic was stop and go, some 
idiot was jamming on her brakes trying to get the guy behind to hit 
her.  Not sure what started it, but when they hit a stop, they both got 
out of their cars and were yelling at each other, she came at him and 
the guy punches her in the face, knocked her down right in the road.  
She gets up takes a swing at him, he clocks her again, knocks her down.  
She gets up again, takes another swing, he punches her again and knocks 
her down.  Traffic started moving again and everyone drove by with her 
lying in the road.  They were both dressed very nicely, maybe early 
30s.  I bet she looked nice getting to work.

Just another morning on the 128 commute.

--R

Curt Raymond wrote:
 I never commuted on 128, I've driven fast on it at 2am though...
 Commuting on 128 is a  lot like walking on 128...

 -Curt

 --- On Sat, 8/9/08, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1980 240D advice
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Date: Saturday, August 9, 2008, 10:04 AM

 Did you read the Herald, shave, talk on the phone, and curse at other 
 drivers (all at the same time) while commuting on 128?

 --R

 Curt Raymond wrote:
   
 And here I thought I was the lone dissenting voice.
 MA is a state known for agressive drivers and I drove my 240D for
 
 something like 50,000 miles commuting 90 miles daily. It regularly made trips
 into Boston including the fabled 128 corridor. It also regularly was pulled to
 the governor and held there for an hour at a time.
   
 Nobody would mistake it for a fast car but it was a totally adequate daily
 
 driver. Sure I got flipped off occasionally and less frequently honked at but 
 I
 think its looking old and in the case of my 240D pretty ratty,
 helped people put things into perspective.
   
 -Curt

 Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 17:38:02 -0700
 From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1980 240D advice
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Message-ID:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

 I feel that unless one lives in an area where they are likely to be shot
 
 or
   
 otherwise attacked, then the hard-charging drivers who tailgate can drive
 off into oblivion and die, wasting fuel all the way.

 The 240D has all the power to accelerate that is needed, except for up
 
 steep
   
 hills with a lot of cargo.

 I like that it's being acknowledged more in the media these days that
 
 hard
   
 acceleration wastes fuel. Of course, this is not so much the case with
 diesels - I mean accelerating faster taking more fuel?

 Brian

 Steve echoed: But I echo the note about freeways. Not only
 merging, but even keeping up with urban freeway traffic patterns isn't
 
 a fun
   
 proposition.


   
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[MBZ] PHX CL '80 300SD 58Kmiles

2008-08-09 Thread Robert Rentfro
Jesus, Mary and Joseph I may be going to the Basilica!

 

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/ctd/788646681.html

 

Bob R

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Re: [MBZ] PHX CL '80 300SD 58Kmiles

2008-08-09 Thread Wilton Strickland
Not a word about how it has made 28 years with only 59 kmi.  I may have
wanted to go to the Basilica, myself.

Wilton

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[MBZ] Continuing 240D Saga

2008-08-09 Thread Curt Raymond
Pulled the rear brakes all apart today, got to use my new 24v impact wrench 
(more on that in a followup message).
Everything seemed okay, car probably needs rotors and pads since its sat a lot 
in the last year. I wouldn't hesitate to drive it like it is though. The sticky 
parking brake appears to be caused by the cables, they probably need replacing. 
I think I've gotten loosened adequately for now though.

Dirty job

-Curt



  
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[MBZ] Bought an impact wrench

2008-08-09 Thread Curt Raymond
As I mentioned in the last message. There was a tool show on Thursday nearby 
where I picked up a Pro Tech 24v Impact Wrench 
http://www.toolsnow.com/browse.cfm/4,1281.html

It turns out to actually be a pretty good gizmo. It doesn't blast the lug nuts 
off the car but given a 10-20 seconds it cranks 'em off pretty good. There were 
a couple it couldn't manage but remember the car has been sitting for a long 
time and those I had to get off with my super duper crank shaped lug wrench 
which I had to JUMP ON.

Anyway, time will tell how well it survives but I don't think I'll ever work it 
too hard, I think it'll be fine.

-Curt



  
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Re: [MBZ] PHX CL '80 300SD 58Kmiles

2008-08-09 Thread jfreezn
I saw that car at the auction preview this morning.? Very nice condition 
overall, and the nicest dash I have seen in 20 years.? The NADA book was $5800 
with the premium for mileage and condition bumping it up over 12K.? Seeing that 
target, I did not wait around to see what it went for.? I will sell my 79 for 
$4500.? Just as nice, except for the dash.

Jim in Phoenix


Jesus, Mary and Joseph I may be going to the Basilica!

 

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Jesus, Mary and Joseph I may be going to the Basilica!

 

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Re: [MBZ] Exciting

2008-08-09 Thread Tom Hargrave
That bird went poof!

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
256-656-1924
 

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I worked at the airport back in college days, and the fire trucks they 
had at that time would do 0-60 in one minute, belching huge clouds of 
diesel exhaust.  But I still wanted one.

--R

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Re: [MBZ] Tire size vs inflation question (non-MB)

2008-08-09 Thread ernest breakfield
hey John!

why would you recommend narrower tires than stock? about the only 
thing narrower tires might be better at is cutting through snow or 
standing water,... but odds are that it won't make much of a difference 
even at that between those 2 sizes.
yes, you would have to run a higher tire pressure to make up for the 
lower amount of contact patch. this might also reduce traction on wet 
and/or snowy roads due to the reduced ability of the tire to conform to 
the road surface.

what it *will* do is make the speedo and odometer read higher, and 
odds are that you'll get a tire that has a lower weight rating and that 
lower weight-rated tire is going to be running with less of a margin 
between your load and its maximum capacity and build up heat (a tires 
worst enemy) sooner.
since you'll also have less tread on the road, it'll also reduce 
some of your braking capacity; reaching and exceeding maximum traction 
more quickly in emergency situations.

sorry to sound so fatalistic, but what was the perceived advantage?


cheers!
e


John Robbins wrote:
 So my brother just ordered some new tires for his Sebring, and Tirerack 
 has an interesting suggestion.  The stock tire size is 215/60R15, and he 
 ordered 205/60R15.  I suggested the slightly narrower tire for when he 
 goes up to Chicago for his Navy training since my understanding is that 
 narrower tires to better than wide ones.  Tirerack calls him up and says 
 that he would need to run higher than normal tire pressures though...  
 On the order of 36 PSI.  Two questions, was I on crack for the smaller 
 width suggestion?  And why the higher tire pressure?  I've never heard 
 of such a thing, but Tirerack is a very reputable company.

 John


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[MBZ] 2-wheelers (was: Re: Pininfarina dies in scooter accident)

2008-08-09 Thread ernest breakfield
speaking as someone who is both a cyclist and a motorcyclist, let me 
first make clear that i see many people doing both badly.

in bicycling, enthusiasts will often make a distinction between 
themselves as cyclists, and distance themselves from those who just 
happen to be riding bicycles (all-too-often badly) by referring to them 
as bicycle riders.
i generally try to follow the rules of the road while bicycling, but 
there are many arguments of how it is more efficient and practical for 
non-motorized vehicles to be subject to a slightly different set of 
rules than those set up for motor vehicles on Amerikun roads. (as food 
for thought, consider that in some other arguably civilized countries, 
there are many situations where no Stop is required at an intersection 
unless it's necessary to avoid a conflict with another vehicle.)
under no circumstances do i support ever riding a bicycle on a sidewalk.
of course, since people are people, i see examples of all these 
rules broken daily, with wildly varying levels of skill, competence, or 
regard for safety.

in motorcycling, you'll find rules, laws and practice vary widely 
depending on where you are. for example, in California, there is no law 
against sharing a lane with another vehicle and/or passing another 
vehicle in the same lane as long as there is room for both vehicles to 
fit, and there is no law specifically against a motorcyclist moving 
between lines of other vehicles on the same side of the road as long as 
done in such a manner as to not be judged unsafe. (note: there is a 
huge amount of room for interpretation by LEOs in this regard.) in some 
other countries, this is all routinely done much more aggressively than 
what we see here.
if you're trickling your way to the front between lines of stopped 
cars on your motorcycle, that's no problem, since it's not likely any 
stopped car is going to jump sideways, and it's illegal for any car to 
open their door and interfere with other traffic (including you). bonus 
for all motorists is that you're not going to be taking up space in a 
lane that another vehicle could make use of, and due to the general 
nature of motorcycles you're likely to be down the road and never in the 
way of any other vehicle as soon as the light changes; everyone wins.
if you're playing car slalom on your motorcycle overtaking vehicles 
that are moving much slower than you are, you can (and probably should) 
get a ticket.
of course, since people are people, i see examples of all these 
rules broken daily, with wildly varying levels of skill, competence, or 
regard for safety.

as for scooters, it seems that most people i see on scooters in the 
US don't recognize that they are sharing the roads with other 
vehicles... i've yet to see one that looks like they're prepared for an 
unscheduled get-off.

i'll note again that either activity can be (and is frequently) done 
badly, typically by the Too Cool Set suffering from YMIS*.
however, it is my opinion that neither activity should be subject to 
exactly the same set of rules and laws as cars and trucks, as they are 
very different kinds of vehicles. sadly, since it *far* too easy to get 
a drivers license in the USA and it seems the Amerikun Way to dumb down 
rules and laws to the level of understanding of the Lowest Common 
Denominator, i fear it may be a while (if ever) before we see each 
activity judged for what it really is and laws adjusted to accommodates 
each accordingly.


cheers!
e


*Young Male Invincibility Syndrome


Allan Streib wrote:
 Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

   
 That's not exactly irony - but something like it?  I have been
 thinking that with the increase in scooters on the road will come
 the accidents. Same thing with the increase in bicycle riders on the
 road. All need to learn the rules of the road.
 

 Around here, bicylists are by far the largest group who think the
 rules don't apply to them.  They ignore stop signs, stop lights, one
 way streets, pedestrians, ride on sidewalks, ride against traffic, you
 name it.

 Then scooters/mopeds, and then motorcycles.  The motorcyclists for the
 most part do pretty well, but occasionally will pass in a no pass
 zone, or cut ahead at a stoplight between lanes.

 Allan
   
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Re: [MBZ] 2-wheelers (was: Re: Pininfarina dies in scooter accident)

2008-08-09 Thread Tom Hargrave
We call those who weave in  out of traffic zip  splats. It's just a
matter of time before the rider zips between two cars  splats into another
car that's changing lanes or pulling into traffic or puts on the brakes to
make a turn. And, of course, if the rider survives, it's always the car's
fault for pulling in front of him!

Cars, bikes and motorcycles are all machines  none of them care about
who's at fault. 

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 1:34 PM
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Subject: [MBZ] 2-wheelers (was: Re: Pininfarina dies in scooter accident)

speaking as someone who is both a cyclist and a motorcyclist, let me 
first make clear that i see many people doing both badly.

in bicycling, enthusiasts will often make a distinction between 
themselves as cyclists, and distance themselves from those who just 
happen to be riding bicycles (all-too-often badly) by referring to them 
as bicycle riders.
i generally try to follow the rules of the road while bicycling, but 
there are many arguments of how it is more efficient and practical for 
non-motorized vehicles to be subject to a slightly different set of 
rules than those set up for motor vehicles on Amerikun roads. (as food 
for thought, consider that in some other arguably civilized countries, 
there are many situations where no Stop is required at an intersection 
unless it's necessary to avoid a conflict with another vehicle.)
under no circumstances do i support ever riding a bicycle on a sidewalk.
of course, since people are people, i see examples of all these 
rules broken daily, with wildly varying levels of skill, competence, or 
regard for safety.

in motorcycling, you'll find rules, laws and practice vary widely 
depending on where you are. for example, in California, there is no law 
against sharing a lane with another vehicle and/or passing another 
vehicle in the same lane as long as there is room for both vehicles to 
fit, and there is no law specifically against a motorcyclist moving 
between lines of other vehicles on the same side of the road as long as 
done in such a manner as to not be judged unsafe. (note: there is a 
huge amount of room for interpretation by LEOs in this regard.) in some 
other countries, this is all routinely done much more aggressively than 
what we see here.
if you're trickling your way to the front between lines of stopped 
cars on your motorcycle, that's no problem, since it's not likely any 
stopped car is going to jump sideways, and it's illegal for any car to 
open their door and interfere with other traffic (including you). bonus 
for all motorists is that you're not going to be taking up space in a 
lane that another vehicle could make use of, and due to the general 
nature of motorcycles you're likely to be down the road and never in the 
way of any other vehicle as soon as the light changes; everyone wins.
if you're playing car slalom on your motorcycle overtaking vehicles 
that are moving much slower than you are, you can (and probably should) 
get a ticket.
of course, since people are people, i see examples of all these 
rules broken daily, with wildly varying levels of skill, competence, or 
regard for safety.

as for scooters, it seems that most people i see on scooters in the 
US don't recognize that they are sharing the roads with other 
vehicles... i've yet to see one that looks like they're prepared for an 
unscheduled get-off.

i'll note again that either activity can be (and is frequently) done 
badly, typically by the Too Cool Set suffering from YMIS*.
however, it is my opinion that neither activity should be subject to 
exactly the same set of rules and laws as cars and trucks, as they are 
very different kinds of vehicles. sadly, since it *far* too easy to get 
a drivers license in the USA and it seems the Amerikun Way to dumb down 
rules and laws to the level of understanding of the Lowest Common 
Denominator, i fear it may be a while (if ever) before we see each 
activity judged for what it really is and laws adjusted to accommodates 
each accordingly.


cheers!
e


*Young Male Invincibility Syndrome


Allan Streib wrote:
 Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

   
 That's not exactly irony - but something like it?  I have been
 thinking that with the increase in scooters on the road will come
 the accidents. Same thing with the increase in bicycle riders on the
 road. All need to learn the rules of the road.
 

 Around here, bicylists are by far the largest group who think the
 rules don't apply to them.  They ignore stop signs, stop lights, one
 way streets, pedestrians, ride on sidewalks, ride against traffic, you
 name it.

 Then scooters/mopeds, and then motorcycles.  The motorcyclists for the
 most part do pretty well, but occasionally will pass in a no pass
 zone, or cut 

Re: [MBZ] 1980 240D advice

2008-08-09 Thread Zoltan Finks
Now That's my idea of Equal Rights!

Brian

Rich wrote:they both got
out of their cars and were yelling at each other, she came at him and
the guy punches her in the face, knocked her down right in the road.
She gets up takes a swing at him, he clocks her again, knocks her down.
She gets up again, takes another swing, he punches her again and knocks
her down.
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Re: [MBZ] 2-wheelers (was: Re: Pininfarina dies in scooter accident)

2008-08-09 Thread Zoltan Finks
Many interesting points, Ernest.
I agree that there ought to be slightly different rules for different types
of vehicles.

A few tid bits:

The other day I was cycling along a state hwy that runs through town (yes,
bikes are allowed on the wide shoulder, and it's a major bike commuter
route. Though many people feel bikes have no place on a highway like that).
Anyway, a girl on a scooter zips around the left of me and cuts into the
shoulder and rides along on the shoulder. This shoulder-riding by scooters
sends an ambiguous message I want no part of.

In King County, WA (Seattle, etc.) riding on the sidewalk is legal. I was
very surprised to hear that. I feel it's a good idea. Sure, some pedestrians
will be endangered by irresponsible cyclists, but bikes being able to get
off the road when needed is great.

The distinction between cyclists and bicycle riders you mentioned is
interesting. Yeah, I run into a lot of elitists on two wheels around here.
Some have competed, and I respect that, but they seem to really be arrogant
people. Personally, I can both be found in spandex tearing up the road on a
lightweight road bike (but never fully decked out in wannabe clothing), and
other times tooling along on an old bike I got for free, carrying groceries
on my back. Your point coincides with mine in that experienced cyclists
usually have an idea of the rules of the road, where the family who drives
the Suburban to a spot to unload the dusty garage bikes and swerve around on
a sunny day, usually do not. On the other hand, I get upset when I see
experienced-looking cyclists blatently breaking laws. This only further
enrages the motoring community.

One more thing here: While cyclists have the right to ride two abreast, and
do have the right to ride in the lane of traffic, it ticks me off (yes, even
me) when I see cyclists not staying as far right as is safe (which the law
does require by the way). Yes, I know about the right to take the lane
when it's not safe for a car to pass.

Brian

On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 11:33 AM, ernest breakfield 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 speaking as someone who is both a cyclist and a motorcyclist, let me
 first make clear that i see many people doing both badly.

in bicycling, enthusiasts will often make a distinction between
 themselves as cyclists, and distance themselves from those who just
 happen to be riding bicycles (all-too-often badly) by referring to them
 as bicycle riders.
i generally try to follow the rules of the road while bicycling, but
 there are many arguments of how it is more efficient and practical for
 non-motorized vehicles to be subject to a slightly different set of
 rules than those set up for motor vehicles on Amerikun roads. (as food
 for thought, consider that in some other arguably civilized countries,
 there are many situations where no Stop is required at an intersection
 unless it's necessary to avoid a conflict with another vehicle.)
under no circumstances do i support ever riding a bicycle on a sidewalk.
of course, since people are people, i see examples of all these
 rules broken daily, with wildly varying levels of skill, competence, or
 regard for safety.

in motorcycling, you'll find rules, laws and practice vary widely
 depending on where you are. for example, in California, there is no law
 against sharing a lane with another vehicle and/or passing another
 vehicle in the same lane as long as there is room for both vehicles to
 fit, and there is no law specifically against a motorcyclist moving
 between lines of other vehicles on the same side of the road as long as
 done in such a manner as to not be judged unsafe. (note: there is a
 huge amount of room for interpretation by LEOs in this regard.) in some
 other countries, this is all routinely done much more aggressively than
 what we see here.
if you're trickling your way to the front between lines of stopped
 cars on your motorcycle, that's no problem, since it's not likely any
 stopped car is going to jump sideways, and it's illegal for any car to
 open their door and interfere with other traffic (including you). bonus
 for all motorists is that you're not going to be taking up space in a
 lane that another vehicle could make use of, and due to the general
 nature of motorcycles you're likely to be down the road and never in the
 way of any other vehicle as soon as the light changes; everyone wins.
if you're playing car slalom on your motorcycle overtaking vehicles
 that are moving much slower than you are, you can (and probably should)
 get a ticket.
of course, since people are people, i see examples of all these
 rules broken daily, with wildly varying levels of skill, competence, or
 regard for safety.

as for scooters, it seems that most people i see on scooters in the
 US don't recognize that they are sharing the roads with other
 vehicles... i've yet to see one that looks like they're prepared for an
 unscheduled get-off.

i'll note again that 

Re: [MBZ] WAS Ballard NOW Propane conversions mpg equivalent?

2008-08-09 Thread andrew strasfogel
I once read that the mpg equivalent for natural gas (propane) cars was under
10.  Is this so, and why?

On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 7:16 AM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Redghost wrote:
  Now that truly sucks!  I have been following his progress wondering
  when we would be able to see his work on the road and ready for prime
  time use.

 I always figured that would be some time after the first successful
 hydrogen
 well was drilled. ;-)

 Mitch.

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[MBZ] Kaleb Car?

2008-08-09 Thread Redghost
http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/car/782729056.html

Bound to be some great parts on this baby.  Would drag it home  
myself, but I am deep in doghouse for pestering SWMBA about Kaleb's SL.






--
Clay
Seattle Bioburner

1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz


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Re: [MBZ] PHX CL '80 300SD 58Kmiles

2008-08-09 Thread Chuck Landenberger
Rob and Wilton,

I went up there in Phoenix this morning.  It's an auction company and  
they do the mechanics and give the proceeds to the charity.  Quite an  
experience.  The 1980 300SD was all correct as far as I could tell.   
Was probably one of the last built.  History was one owner, husband  
passed away and widow gave it to the church.  Nice looking vinyl  
window sills were discolored by sun, but dash was NOT cracked.   
Engine compartment pretty clean.  Vacuum seemed to work - all doors  
unlocked - started rather well - looked like an original servo.

After two hours of sitting in the heat, I decided to throw in the  
towel.  Could not get an opinion as to when they would put the 300SD  
on the block.  If I can find out what it went for, I will post it
For comparison, the MB Classic Center has an '80 300SD on the floor  
in Irvine, CA w/1300 (yes, that's thirteen hundred) miles.   Price is  
posted at $65,000.  New cost was about $30k..

Take care...

Chuck
Phoenix AZ
On Aug 9, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Wilton Strickland wrote:

 Not a word about how it has made 28 years with only 59 kmi.  I may  
 have
 wanted to go to the Basilica, myself.

 Wilton

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 Jesus, Mary and Joseph I may be going to the Basilica!



 http://phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/ctd/788646681.html



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Re: [MBZ] WAS Ballard NOW Propane conversions mpg equivalent?

2008-08-09 Thread Mitch Haley
andrew strasfogel wrote:
 I once read that the mpg equivalent for natural gas (propane) cars was under
 10.  Is this so, and why?

http://www.nafa.org/Template.cfm?Section=Energy_Equivalents

I had an interesting discussion with a friend last night. He bought a flex fuel 
Silverado, and told me it was supposed to get 1/2 mpg less on E85 than on 
gasoline. I told him that I thought a 20mpg truck would get closer to 13mpg on 
E85 than 19.5 mpg. He assured me I was wrong, and as soon as he put some E85 
through it he'd have the numbers to prove it. I guess I know somebody who's 
gullible enough to believe anything a car salesman tells him. 20 mpg / 1.4 = 
14.3 mpg. (would have been closer to 13 mpg if E100 were used)

Mitch.

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[MBZ] 88 Mercedes wagon w rear seat! Not Diesel

2008-08-09 Thread Rich Thomas
Charleston SC

http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/789141344.html

--R

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[MBZ] 1985 Mercedes-Benz 300 TD- Excellent Cond- Third Seat, Sunroof - $6000

2008-08-09 Thread Rich Thomas
Another wagon.  I think this guy has been smokin some wacky tabacky.

--R

http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/789129998.html

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[MBZ] 1986 Mercedes 300 SDL - $5500

2008-08-09 Thread Rich Thomas
Rodbender?  Perfect condition though.

http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/784510532.html

Mechanically perfect, well maintained daily driver. A/C, P/S, P/B, P/W, 
A/T, Cruise,AM/FM/CD. Sunroof. 6cyl turbo diesel. good fuel mileage. All 
service up to date. Good tires


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Re: [MBZ] definition of a volvo driver

2008-08-09 Thread George Larribeau
On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 19:01 -0400, Mitch Haley wrote:
 I regret making that Traction Avant comment.
 Looked up a picture of it after I sent that message, and it was pretty nifty.

There use to be a street rod here in Dallas made out of one of those ..
I don't know what it is about the French ...for some reason they are fun
to tease esp. about mechanical stuff. In hell the mechanics are French
but in heaven the cooks are French. Technically I am My father did not
speak English until he entered grade school as a child in the 20's and
My mothers father had a Louisiana French name. My mothers mother was
from New England, and her mother was an accomplished painter so I was
always from new England :-).


George Larribeau
Dallas Texas



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Re: [MBZ] 1986 Mercedes 300 SDL - $5500

2008-08-09 Thread Tom Hargrave
86 is not a rod bender year, neither is 87.

Thanks,
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Rodbender?  Perfect condition though.

http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/784510532.html

Mechanically perfect, well maintained daily driver. A/C, P/S, P/B, P/W, 
A/T, Cruise,AM/FM/CD. Sunroof. 6cyl turbo diesel. good fuel mileage. All 
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Re: [MBZ] PHX CL '80 300SD 58Kmiles

2008-08-09 Thread Allan Streib
I love the look of the W116.  Too much for too old a car in this case
though.  Despite the condition, every part on that car is approaching
30 years old.  And low miles can be as hard as high miles in some
ways.

Allan

-- 
1983 300D

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Re: [MBZ] 1986 Mercedes 300 SDL - $5500

2008-08-09 Thread Allan Streib
Rodbenders are the 350 engines, not the 300 right?

Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Rodbender?  Perfect condition though.

 http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/784510532.html

 Mechanically perfect, well maintained daily driver. A/C, P/S, P/B, P/W, 
 A/T, Cruise,AM/FM/CD. Sunroof. 6cyl turbo diesel. good fuel mileage. All 
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Re: [MBZ] 1986 Mercedes 300 SDL - $5500

2008-08-09 Thread Tom Hargrave
Right.

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Rodbenders are the 350 engines, not the 300 right?

Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Rodbender?  Perfect condition though.

 http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/784510532.html

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Re: [MBZ] definition of a volvo driver

2008-08-09 Thread Mitch Haley
George Larribeau wrote:
 My mothers father had a Louisiana French name.

Acadian?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 1986 Mercedes 300 SDL - $5500

2008-08-09 Thread Mitch Haley
Allan Streib wrote:
 Rodbenders are the 350 engines, not the 300 right?

Right, but some of the 3.5s had names like S300D. The easiest way to remember 
is 
if it's a 126 or 140 from the 1990's, it's got a defective 3.5 or a replacement 
engine in it, or it wasn't made for the USA market. If it's a 300SDL from the 
1980's it has a solid bottom end, just watch out for trap oxidizers and cracked 
heads.
AFAIK, all the 1990's E class (W124 and W210) engines were pretty solid, but 
the 
606 had some fuel line issues.

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Re: [MBZ] PHX CL '80 300SD 58Kmiles

2008-08-09 Thread Wilton Strickland
I know somebody who can change (RR) a dash!

Wilton

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 I saw that car at the auction preview this morning.? Very nice condition
overall, and the nicest dash I have seen in 20 years.? The NADA book was
$5800 with the premium for mileage and condition bumping it up over 12K.?
Seeing that target, I did not wait around to see what it went for.? I will
sell my 79 for $4500.? Just as nice, except for the dash.

 Jim in Phoenix


 Jesus, Mary and Joseph I may be going to the Basilica!



 http://phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/ctd/788646681.html





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 Jesus, Mary and Joseph I may be going to the Basilica!



 http://phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/ctd/788646681.html



 Bob R

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Re: [MBZ] Continuing 240D Saga

2008-08-09 Thread Wilton Strickland
What about the hood?

Wilton

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Subject: [MBZ] Continuing 240D Saga


 Pulled the rear brakes all apart today, got to use my new 24v impact
wrench (more on that in a followup message).
 Everything seemed okay, car probably needs rotors and pads since its sat a
lot in the last year. I wouldn't hesitate to drive it like it is though. The
sticky parking brake appears to be caused by the cables, they probably need
replacing. I think I've gotten loosened adequately for now though.

 Dirty job

 -Curt




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Re: [MBZ] PHX CL '80 300SD 58Kmiles

2008-08-09 Thread Wilton Strickland
Wow!  'Does sound good.  Thanks.

Wilton

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 Rob and Wilton,
 
 I went up there in Phoenix this morning.  It's an auction company and  
 they do the mechanics and give the proceeds to the charity.  Quite an  
 experience.  The 1980 300SD was all correct as far as I could tell.   
 Was probably one of the last built.  History was one owner, husband  
 passed away and widow gave it to the church.  Nice looking vinyl  
 window sills were discolored by sun, but dash was NOT cracked.   
 Engine compartment pretty clean.  Vacuum seemed to work - all doors  
 unlocked - started rather well - looked like an original servo.
 
 After two hours of sitting in the heat, I decided to throw in the  
 towel.  Could not get an opinion as to when they would put the 300SD  
 on the block.  If I can find out what it went for, I will post it
 For comparison, the MB Classic Center has an '80 300SD on the floor  
 in Irvine, CA w/1300 (yes, that's thirteen hundred) miles.   Price is  
 posted at $65,000.  New cost was about $30k..
 
 Take care...
 
 Chuck
 Phoenix AZ
 On Aug 9, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Wilton Strickland wrote:
 
  Not a word about how it has made 28 years with only 59 kmi.  I may  
  have
  wanted to go to the Basilica, myself.
 
  Wilton
 
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  Subject: [MBZ] PHX CL '80 300SD 58Kmiles
 
 
  Jesus, Mary and Joseph I may be going to the Basilica!
 
 
 
  http://phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/ctd/788646681.html
 
 
 
  Bob R
 
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Re: [MBZ] 1986 Mercedes 300 SDL - $5500

2008-08-09 Thread Wilton Strickland
'Not a rodbender.  '90, '91 350SD's  SDL's (126's) and '92 - 94/5 350
140's are the rodbenders, though my 91 350SDL @ 191 kmi seems OK so far,
'cept broken triming chain at 89 kmi.

Wilton

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 Rodbender?  Perfect condition though.

 http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/784510532.html

 Mechanically perfect, well maintained daily driver. A/C, P/S, P/B, P/W,
 A/T, Cruise,AM/FM/CD. Sunroof. 6cyl turbo diesel. good fuel mileage. All
 service up to date. Good tires


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Re: [MBZ] 1986 Mercedes 300 SDL - $5500

2008-08-09 Thread Smith, Todd
I remember plenty of list dicussions concerning rodbenders and how only factory 
rebuilt engines were free from the problem.  I recently stumbled across this 
vendor, Metric Motors and wondered if they were close enough to factory or if 
their engines would rodbend as well.
 
http://www.mercedesengines.net/   

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Rodbender?  Perfect condition though.

http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/784510532.html


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Re: [MBZ] 1986 Mercedes 300 SDL - $5500

2008-08-09 Thread OK Don
I do believe (could be wrong though) that the venerable Dr. Booth
stated that Metric motors were good for 617 engine rebuilds, but that
even their rebuilds of the 603.971 (rod bender) engines didn't last.
Only a factory rebuild was acceptable.

On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 8:46 PM, Smith, Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I remember plenty of list dicussions concerning rodbenders and how only 
 factory rebuilt engines were free from the problem.  I recently stumbled 
 across this vendor, Metric Motors and wondered if they were close enough to 
 factory or if their engines would rodbend as well.

 http://www.mercedesengines.net/


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[MBZ] W123 Hood Release Cable Lubrication?

2008-08-09 Thread Smith, Todd
I just purchased a hood release cable from Rusty and the W123 Service Library 
from the Classical Center.  I have to say that for me, being able to look at 
the service guide has helped immensely.  I have taken the old cable out and was 
perparing to install the new cable when it dawned on me that there was no 
mention of lubrication in the manual.
 
If you were installing a new hood release cable on a 85 300CD, would you 
lubricate it?  What kind of grease or oil to use and how to apply it?  The old 
cable was a bare wire but the new cable is partially sheathed.
 
Thanks for the time
 
Todd Smith
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[MBZ] Secret message to Luther, 603 head job

2008-08-09 Thread OK Don
We just finished installing the pre-chambers and injectors in the
newly machined head - the special tools should be heading home soon.

THANKS !

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Re: [MBZ] 1986 Mercedes 300 SDL - $5500

2008-08-09 Thread Smith, Todd
I didn't know if they would be able to correctly rebuild an rodbender or not.  
Their price is what I remember Marshall said that a factory motor was going for.
 
Thanks
Todd

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I do believe (could be wrong though) that the venerable Dr. Booth
stated that Metric motors were good for 617 engine rebuilds, but that
even their rebuilds of the 603.971 (rod bender) engines didn't last.
Only a factory rebuild was acceptable.

On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 8:46 PM, Smith, Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I remember plenty of list dicussions concerning rodbenders and how 
only factory rebuilt engines were free from the problem.  I recently stumbled 
across this vendor, Metric Motors and wondered if they were close enough to 
factory or if their engines would rodbend as well.

 http://www.mercedesengines.net/


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Re: [MBZ] PHX CL '80 300SD 58Kmiles

2008-08-09 Thread Chuck Landenberger
Wilton,

That '80 300SD went for $5,000.

Not in my wallet!!

Take care,

Chuck
On Aug 9, 2008, at 5:46 PM, Wilton Strickland wrote:

 Wow!  'Does sound good.  Thanks.



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Re: [MBZ] 1986 Mercedes 300 SDL - $5500

2008-08-09 Thread Allan Streib
OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I do believe (could be wrong though) that the venerable Dr. Booth
 stated that Metric motors were good for 617 engine rebuilds, but
 that even their rebuilds of the 603.971 (rod bender) engines didn't
 last.  Only a factory rebuild was acceptable.

I think it had to do with the hardening of the cylinder walls that
only the factory could do properly.

Allan

-- 
1983 300D

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Re: [MBZ] W123 Hood Release Cable Lubrication?

2008-08-09 Thread Allan Streib
Smith, Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 If you were installing a new hood release cable on a 85 300CD, would
 you lubricate it?  What kind of grease or oil to use and how to apply
 it?  The old cable was a bare wire but the new cable is partially
 sheathed.

I like Lubriplate Chain and Cable fluid for this kind of thing.

  http://www.lubriplate.com/webstore/detail.aspx?ID=5

There's some kind of gizmo for lubricating cable in the sheath, can
probably find it at a good bicycle or motorcycle shop, or...

  http://store.albaaction.com/shop/MS003001.html

Allan
-- 
1983 300D

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Re: [MBZ] 88 Mercedes wagon w rear seat! Not Diesel

2008-08-09 Thread andrew strasfogel
Mercedes nondiesel wagons are so BORING. This one isn't
http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/doc/cto/789926593.html


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 Charleston SC

 http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/789141344.html

 --R

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Re: [MBZ] 1985 Mercedes-Benz 300 TD- Excellent Cond- Third Seat, Sunroof - $6000

2008-08-09 Thread andrew strasfogel
Not necessarily but where are the photos?

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 Another wagon.  I think this guy has been smokin some wacky tabacky.

 --R

 http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/789129998.html

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Re: [MBZ] W123 Hood Release Cable Lubrication?

2008-08-09 Thread Fmiser
It seems than at Sat, 9 Aug 2008 22:06:57 -0400, Smith, wrote:

 I have taken the old cable out and was perparing
 to install the new cable when it dawned on me that there was
 no mention of lubrication in the manual. If you were
 installing a new hood release cable on a 85 300CD, would you
 lubricate it?

LPS-3

It's good enough it's used for light aircraft control cables.

-- Philip

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