date:20090812

> Wonko the Sane wrote:

> Marshall definitely had his shit in one sock -- one of the
> highest possible naval service compliments. (It is actually on
> Wiki.)

Which wiki?  There are a _lot_ of them, 'cause it's just a
technique - like javascript.

--  Philip

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Re: [MBZ] 4Matic

> Peter T. Arnold wrote:

> I'm sorry, wasn't clear.  I'm talking about light vans, NOT
> package van, or Sprinters.

I thought Sprinters were light vans

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Re: [MBZ] UPS

> relng...@aol.com wrote:

> > ...My UPS guy has been driving a 1995 5.9L Cummins 6BT with
> > a Spicer 5sp manual
> > trans behind it since,
> > 
> My neighborhood UPS lady has been driving one of those things
> for a long time and you can hear it a block away. If I go out
> to take a package from her, she has to shut it down to speak
> because it is so noisy. How they can stand it all day every
> day is beyond me.

My regular UPS driver is in a gasoline power step van most of
the time. He wears ear plugs.  

Once the truck is going faster than 20 mph I doubt the "clatter"
of the diesel is a significant factor in the overall sound level.

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Re: [MBZ] Death by Smart

2009-08-12 Thread Craig McCluskey

On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 07:52:41 -0400 Rich Thomas
 wrote:

> A lot of freshman physics was about inelastic collisions (i.e., where 
> there is no loss of energy or momentum or anything among the various 
> actors in collisions). 

That's elastic collisions.

> In the real world (such as it is), collisions are elastic, i.e., things
> deform, energy is absorbed, transformed, etc. 

That's inelastic collisions.

> In that particular incident a LOT of energy was absorbed and transformed
> by whatever got squished.  So Robots Rules of Order don't apply.  
> Momentum (p=mv) is transfered in an elastic collision, not so much in 
> inelastic collisions.

There are two things that can be conserved in collisions, energy and
momentum.

In an inelastic collision, energy is dissipated as sound, heat, deforming
of parts, so only momentum is conserved.

In elastic collisions, both energy and momentum are conserved.

> I think the term "impulse" might be the rate of change of acceleration 
> (sometimes called "jerk"), the third derivative (dd/dt = v, dv/dt=a, 
> da/dt=i or j).

I don't recall what the third derivative is called; it's not used much. I
do recall hearing both terms but don't remember what their definitions
are.

In any event, the quickest way to get a feel for what's going on in the
situation of a moving truck squashing a stopped car against a stopped
truck is to consider the amount of energy to be dissipated as,

  U = 0.5 m v^2,

and the force to bring the truck to a stop as,

  F = ma.

Determining a is the trick, especially if the moving truck is still moving
when it squashes the car solid and starts the stopped truck moving.

If the car exactly stops the truck in the distance it takes to squash the
car flat and the acceleration (deceleration) is constant, then,

a = (Vinitial)^2 /( 2 (Sunsquashed - Ssquashed)),

where,  Vinitial= initial velocity of moving truck
Sunsquashed = unsquashed size of car
Ssquashed   = squashed size of car.

So, F = m (Vinitial)^2 /( 2 (Sunsquashed - Ssquashed)).

For a 13,227 pound (6000 kilogram) truck going 9.32 mph (15 km/hr) and
stopping in 9.84 feet (3 meters), you have,

F = 6000 x 15 x 15 / 2 * 3 = 225,000 Newtons = 50582 lb.

The amount of energy dissipated is,

U = 0.5 x 6000 x 15 x 15 = 2,700,000 Joules
 = 1,991,417 ft-lb
 = 2559 btu

Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Cash for clunkers hits home

2009-08-12 Thread Craig McCluskey

On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 21:44:41 -0500 Wonko the Sane 
wrote:

> The car I'd buy tomorrow still exists (it has already been produced),
> and my pickup will eventually be crushed for scrap.

And so will the car you'd buy tomorrow. But if 1,000,000 people buy cars
that wouldn't otherwise, at least some of those cars will have to be
produced that don't already exist.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Cash for clunkers hits home

Matter doesn't matter. I would much rather have my matter get 40+ mpg than
10 mpg. Whatever else matters does't matter to me.

It comes down to a question of matter ... and what matter matters to the
individual involved.

As for physics: the cars now being sold are already made, and the clunkers
will eventually be crushed. It is a question of how much fuel will be
consumed next year by the cars on the road. If I drive my 10 mpg pickup for
another five years, all I do is burn unnecessary fuel. The car I'd buy
tomorrow still exists (it has already been produced), and my pickup will
eventually be crushed for scrap. It is just a question of whether it is
crushed in 2009 or 2019, or (this being Iowa) perhaps in 2029 -- or even
2039.

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:35 PM, WILTON  wrote:

> Like I said, it's magician's BS.  You don't get something for nothing;
> physics always wins; there no way we, corporate hacks or even politicians
> can get away from it.
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "Mitch Haley" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cash for clunkers hits home
>
>
>  WILTON wrote:
>>
>>> 230 MPG sounds like magician's BS to me.
>>>
>>
>> It goes like this: you drive 40 miles on the battery, totally depleting
>> it, and reducing its lifespan. Then you start the engine and drive ten
>> miles. Since you used a quart of gas on your 50 mile drive, you must be
>> getting 200mpg. If politicians can lie, why not corporate PR hacks,
>> especially from a corporation run by politicians?
>>
>> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] bye bye Marshall

Marshall definitely had his shit in one sock -- one of the highest possible
naval service compliments. (It is actually on Wiki.)

I am sure Wilton has a USAF counterpart, such as "number of take-offs equals
number of landings."

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:26 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:

> marshall is historically the only reason this list exists.  the whole
> mbz.org list system (apart from banned) was contingent upon marshall's
> agreed participation.  had marhall said "no", the plan was to never start
> the diesel list.
>
> just a bit of old school trivia for those of you who might still care
>
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] Cash for clunkers hits home

Like I said, it's magician's BS.  You don't get something for nothing; 
physics always wins; there no way we, corporate hacks or even politicians 
can get away from it.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Mitch Haley" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cash for clunkers hits home



WILTON wrote:

230 MPG sounds like magician's BS to me.


It goes like this: you drive 40 miles on the battery, totally depleting 
it, and reducing its lifespan. Then you start the engine and drive ten 
miles. Since you used a quart of gas on your 50 mile drive, you must be 
getting 200mpg. If politicians can lie, why not corporate PR hacks, 
especially from a corporation run by politicians?


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Re: [MBZ] bye bye Marshall

2009-08-12 Thread Gary Hurst

marshall is historically the only reason this list exists.  the whole
mbz.org list system (apart from banned) was contingent upon marshall's
agreed participation.  had marhall said "no", the plan was to never start
the diesel list.

just a bit of old school trivia for those of you who might still care

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:13 PM, Wonko the Sane  wrote:

> After how much fun we made (and still make) of his maintenance suggestions?
>
> The short version is this. I asked him to come to the IowaQ as the guest of
> honor, and he said that he couldn't attend due to health issues and would
> never again be able to travel anywhere due to the cancer, but said how much
> he wished he could join us, and would be here if he physically could.
>
> There was a bit more ... but that is the important stuff.
>
> Even while he was (I am assuming) in hospice, he still wanted to get
> together with Benz owners, but his body gave out before his will to get
> together did.
>
> His final words to me were: "NEVER by a car from Kaleb."
>
> On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin  >wrote:
>
> > you should share it with all.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> The young officer thought it very odd that his captain seemed to trust and
> confide in his chiefs more than his wardroom, but mustang officers had
> their
> own ways.
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Re: [MBZ] bye bye Marshall

2009-08-12 Thread TE

In regard to the last statement, that is.

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of TE
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 10:19 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] bye bye Marshall

LOL

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On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 10:13 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] bye bye Marshall

After how much fun we made (and still make) of his maintenance suggestions?

The short version is this. I asked him to come to the IowaQ as the guest of
honor, and he said that he couldn't attend due to health issues and would
never again be able to travel anywhere due to the cancer, but said how much
he wished he could join us, and would be here if he physically could.

There was a bit more ... but that is the important stuff.

Even while he was (I am assuming) in hospice, he still wanted to get
together with Benz owners, but his body gave out before his will to get
together did.

His final words to me were: "NEVER by a car from Kaleb."

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin
wrote:

> you should share it with all.
>
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] bye bye Marshall

2009-08-12 Thread TE

LOL

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After how much fun we made (and still make) of his maintenance suggestions?

The short version is this. I asked him to come to the IowaQ as the guest of
honor, and he said that he couldn't attend due to health issues and would
never again be able to travel anywhere due to the cancer, but said how much
he wished he could join us, and would be here if he physically could.

There was a bit more ... but that is the important stuff.

Even while he was (I am assuming) in hospice, he still wanted to get
together with Benz owners, but his body gave out before his will to get
together did.

His final words to me were: "NEVER by a car from Kaleb."

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin
wrote:

> you should share it with all.
>
>
>

-- 
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Re: [MBZ] bye bye Marshall

After how much fun we made (and still make) of his maintenance suggestions?

The short version is this. I asked him to come to the IowaQ as the guest of
honor, and he said that he couldn't attend due to health issues and would
never again be able to travel anywhere due to the cancer, but said how much
he wished he could join us, and would be here if he physically could.

There was a bit more ... but that is the important stuff.

Even while he was (I am assuming) in hospice, he still wanted to get
together with Benz owners, but his body gave out before his will to get
together did.

His final words to me were: "NEVER by a car from Kaleb."

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> you should share it with all.
>
>
>

-- 
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Re: [MBZ] pics of Mogthra in CA


Mountain Man wrote:

I finally got pics of the B1 Mogthra.


I had an image in my mind of the Roth creation, and it was not tan, and I don't 
think it was that tall. I don't remember if he put pics on Jaime's list or not.

Where's the Jamie archive, anyway?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Cash for clunkers hits home


WILTON wrote:

230 MPG sounds like magician's BS to me.


It goes like this: you drive 40 miles on the battery, totally depleting it, and 
reducing its lifespan. Then you start the engine and drive ten miles. Since you 
used a quart of gas on your 50 mile drive, you must be getting 200mpg. If 
politicians can lie, why not corporate PR hacks, especially from a corporation 
run by politicians?


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Re: [MBZ] Cash for clunkers hits home


to me that is still new.

Curt Raymond wrote:

The number on the news the other day was 2002.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 19:41:33 -0400
From: Allan Streib 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cash for clunkers hits home
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"Kaleb C. Striplin"  writes:


I just dont buy somebody would trade in a 07 powerstroke as a clunker
in on a prius.  The truck is worth more than 4500.  Dealer is probably
full of it, most of them are.


I thought the clunker had to be at least some number of years old, no?

Allan


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Re: [MBZ] bye bye Marshall


you should share it with all.

Wonko the Sane wrote:

That is very sad. Seems like we should hold a wake, or at least a party.

I will never forget his last off-list email to me.

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:49 PM, Striplin Admin account
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mboo...@pitt.edu  has been removed from Mercedes.

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Re: [MBZ] Cash for clunkers hits home

Yep, you are right, it does.  I forgot about that. This whole store as 
told by the dealer is BS.


Allan Streib wrote:

"Kaleb C. Striplin"  writes:


I just dont buy somebody would trade in a 07 powerstroke as a clunker
in on a prius.  The truck is worth more than 4500.  Dealer is probably
full of it, most of them are.


I thought the clunker had to be at least some number of years old, no?

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Re: [MBZ] Modding GM diesels

the factory turbo came out in 93, 94 for the suburban.  Fine engines if 
properly maintained and not abused.


relng...@aol.com wrote:
...I wonder how many of them have been modified? There are lots of kits 
for reprogramming diesel trucks for power.


My friend CB installed a Banks turbo kit on his diesel Suburban (the engine 
before the factory turbo in 1995) and even though he watched the TIT and 
EGT gauges like a hawk, the engine was all done at 120K miles.


The stock engine just couldn't cut it pulling a car trailer in the western 
mountains.


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Re: [MBZ] Cash for clunkers hits home


230 MPG sounds like magician's BS to me.

Wilton

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Allan wrote:

By their logic, with a 40 mile range before it needs to tap the auxilary
gasoline engine, you could in theory drive a one-way commute of 20 miles
every day and have an MPG of "infinity"


The line I heard tonight on marketplace is that 230 miles was for a
trip of 51.111 miles.
sham on us.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] 220D Head Removal

2009-08-12 Thread Peter Frederick


Don't know -- check for suspension clearance for the oil filter housing.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] 4Matic

the situation you describe is somebody who has "tuned" their diesel to 
make more noise and smoke more.  Why I dont know I guess they think its 
cool.  Out of the box these diesel trucks these days are very quiet and 
dont smoke.


Allan Streib wrote:

On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:51 -0700, "Curt Raymond"  wrote:


I *think* the whole thing boils down to car execs being basically
"average Americans" and not understanding why some of us don't want
diesels. I'm sure they could sell us diesels if they decided it was worth
doing. It seems like just about every F250-F350 is a diesel now, I see
them all over the place...


I'm not sure that's really helping matters for people who'd like to see 
passenger car diesels.  Those trucks sound like a Freightliner semi tractor off 
the line at a stoplight, complete with belching black clouds.  So that only 
reinforces the image of diesels as noisy, smoky, and slow.

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Re: [MBZ] The children

Youngest can already strip a 200D in 10 minutes.

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Re: [MBZ] 4Matic


it could be done, but instead we are worried about hybrids and such.

Curt Raymond wrote:

I wish somebody would make a 1/2 ton diesel pickup. ~150hp ~30mpg...

-Curt



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Re: [MBZ] The children


just fine!!

WILTON wrote:

Kaleb, how are Mommy and the children?

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Re: [MBZ] bye bye Marshall

A jug of 15W-50 would be more appropriate ... but don't drink it.

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 8:09 PM, Benz Hogs  wrote:

> I'll open a bottle of wine in his name.
>
> Luther   KB5QHUAlma, Ark
> '87 300SDL (281,xxx mi)
> '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast
> '82 300CD (183 kmi)
> '82 300D  (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold
> '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine "The Accordion"
>
>
>
> Wonko the Sane wrote:
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>> That is very sad. Seems like we should hold a wake, or at least a party.
>>
>> I will never forget his last off-list email to me.
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Re: [MBZ] Cash for clunkers hits home

2009-08-12 Thread Mountain Man

Allan wrote:
> By their logic, with a 40 mile range before it needs to tap the auxilary
> gasoline engine, you could in theory drive a one-way commute of 20 miles
> every day and have an MPG of "infinity"

The line I heard tonight on marketplace is that 230 miles was for a
trip of 51.111 miles.
sham on us.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] bye bye Marshall

2009-08-12 Thread Benz Hogs


I'll open a bottle of wine in his name.

Luther   KB5QHUAlma, Ark
'87 300SDL (281,xxx mi)
'85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast
'82 300CD (183 kmi)
'82 300D  (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold
'85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine "The Accordion"



Wonko the Sane wrote:

That is very sad. Seems like we should hold a wake, or at least a party.

I will never forget his last off-list email to me.

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Re: [MBZ] Cash for clunkers hits home

The number on the news the other day was 2002.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 19:41:33 -0400
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cash for clunkers hits home
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"Kaleb C. Striplin"  writes:

> I just dont buy somebody would trade in a 07 powerstroke as a clunker
> in on a prius.  The truck is worth more than 4500.  Dealer is probably
> full of it, most of them are.

I thought the clunker had to be at least some number of years old, no?

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] bye bye Marshall

That is very sad. Seems like we should hold a wake, or at least a party.

I will never forget his last off-list email to me.

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[MBZ] bye bye Marshall

2009-08-12 Thread Striplin Admin account


mboo...@pitt.edu has been removed from Mercedes.

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Re: [MBZ] 220D Head Removal

2009-08-12 Thread B Dike

bject: Re: [MBZ] had a brain flash (or brain fart) today
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On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 5:18 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
> I've always wanted a Postal Jeep. FourWheeler did a neat buildup on one years 
> ago.
> If I could find one for reasonable money my 240D would be available for 
> firesale money...
>

Nah, this is what you want, Curt. I'm sure it can tow your snowmobiles
just fine and all your friends can sit in the back!
http://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/cto/1311988170.html

Alex



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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 23:22:46 -0400
From: Allan Streib 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] FW: [Fwd: FW: Smart Car?]
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Something sure got squashed there but I have my doubts about it being a
Smart.  Something seemed wrong about the apparently intact wheel that's
visible under front bumper of the red truck.  I did some cursory
research, and apparently the standard Smart wheel is a three bolt wheel,
like this one...

  http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3002/2581279047_b980c3351b.jpg

The crushed car in the photo has a 5 bolt wheel.

Allan
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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 22:21:47 -0500
From: Peter Frederick 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 220D Head Removal - Epilogue
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The oil filter on a W115 is up front, underneath in a canister.  Huge  
PITA to change as you always end up with oil running down your  
armpit.  The filter housing is by #1 cylinder underneath the  
injection pump.

On the 616 (as opposed to the 615 which is in the W115), the oil  
filter housing is on top of the fitting and the filter is removed by  
taking the cover off.  I have seen a few with a remote housing, but  
only in the W123 chassis, not the W115.  Much nicer, as you don't  
have to lie on the ground with oil dripping on you.

You cannot put a 617 out of a W123 into a W115 for the same reason.   
Has to be the one installed there, and they are uncommon these days.

Peter





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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 22:26:57 -0500
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So, if you have snow, and snowmobiles, WHY are you towing them

 Nah, this is what you want, Curt. I'm sure it can tow your snowmobiles
> just fine and all your friends can sit in the back!
> http://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/cto/1311988170.html
>
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[MBZ] pics of Mogthra in CA

2009-08-12 Thread Mountain Man

I finally got pics of the B1 Mogthra.
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Re: [MBZ] Cash for clunkers hits home

it depends on the vehicle, but for what it's worth, in a quick search i 
didn't see any Ford, Chevy or Dodge Diesels listed for 2007 that would 
qualify.


   here's the official website:
http://www.cars.gov/


cheers!
e


Allan Streib wrote:

"Kaleb C. Striplin"  writes:

  

I just dont buy somebody would trade in a 07 powerstroke as a clunker
in on a prius.  The truck is worth more than 4500.  Dealer is probably
full of it, most of them are.



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Re: [MBZ] UPS


relng...@aol.com wrote:
...My UPS guy has been driving a 1995 5.9L Cummins 6BT with a Spicer 5sp 
manual

trans behind it since,

My neighborhood UPS lady has been driving one of those things for a long 
time and you can hear it a block away. If I go out to take a package from her, 
she has to shut it down to speak because it is so noisy. How they can stand 
it all day every day is beyond me.


Mike has to take out his earplugs to talk. Wears those orange foamy things.
I don't think Doug ever wore earplugs, he was pretty near deaf by the time he 
retired. I didn't notice Mike wearing them until this summer. The package car, 
I'm pretty sure it's the same one, seems louder than it was ten years ago.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Older

Wife was driving in Connecticut traffic.  If you car stops, the cops 
have it moved ASAP to open roadway.  She was clueless, had it towed to 
dealer.  I don't think he used propane, this was about 5 years ago, 
would have bee a 7.3L.


Pete


Allan Streib wrote:

"Peter T. Arnold"  writes:

  

An coworker did that with an F350.

At about 50Kmi, in traffic, his wife put a rod thru the pan!  Ford
dealer scanned to 'puter and all but laughed at him.  I think the tab
was about $7K and they refused all coverage on drivetrain after that.

You wanna play?  You gotta pay



Or remember to reset the computer to stock before you take it to the
dealer.

Allan
  


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Re: [MBZ] 4Matic

I'm sorry, wasn't clear.  I'm talking about light vans, NOT package van, 
or Sprinters.


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Curt Raymond wrote:

If it is CT is special... MA, NH, VT, ME all have diesel package vans...

-Curt

Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:20:10 -0700
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On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 3:00 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:
  

Peter T. Arnold wrote:


UPS, FedEx, others in the fleet business have been very reluctant to use
diesels, there are a bunch of M/B Freightliners.
  

My UPS guy has been driving a 1995 5.9L Cummins 6BT with a Spicer 5sp manual
trans behind it since, well, 1995. (Except in 1995 it was the same truck
with a different driver, new guy's only been on the route for 9-10 years)




Yeah, is that a regional thing, maybe?  Every UPS truck I have ever
been close enough to to hear in my neck of the woods (western Oregon)
has sure sounded like a diesel.

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Re: [MBZ] Smoky Diesels was Re: 4Matic

"kevin kraly"  writes:

> That's where the Cummins Bluetec and Duramax come in, quiet, powerful
> and very little smoke unless they're chipped and piped.  Our '07 Ram
> hardly smells like Diesel.

Yes now that you mention it, about a month ago I was behind one with a
blutec badge and it did not smoke at all.

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Re: [MBZ] MB diesel trucks


Diesel Sprinters here (NC).

Wilton

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UPS, FedEx, others in the fleet business have been very reluctant to
use diesels, there are a bunch of M/B Freightliners


Really! UPS, Fedex and DHL own thousands of Sprinters. You never see Ford
boxvans around anymore.

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Re: [MBZ] 4Matic

Yup, they build package vans to be rebuilt almost forever.  Ever notice 
you NEVER see one in a junk yard?  If they are hit hard, they go to 
bonded disassembly points.


My BIL worked 25 years as security manager in the largest district.


--
Pete Arnold
35" Prowler 5th wheel
'95 F-250 P.S.D.

Member of Escapees &
National Camping Travelers, A Masonic Family Camping Club

Mitch Haley wrote:

Peter T. Arnold wrote:
UPS, FedEx, others in the fleet business have been very reluctant to 
use diesels, there are a bunch of M/B Freightliners.


My UPS guy has been driving a 1995 5.9L Cummins 6BT with a Spicer 5sp 
manual trans behind it since, well, 1995. (Except in 1995 it was the 
same truck with a different driver, new guy's only been on the route 
for 9-10 years)


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Re: [MBZ] UPS

2009-08-12 Thread RELNGSON

> ...My UPS guy has been driving a 1995 5.9L Cummins 6BT with a Spicer 5sp 
> manual
> trans behind it since,
> 
My neighborhood UPS lady has been driving one of those things for a long 
time and you can hear it a block away. If I go out to take a package from her, 
she has to shut it down to speak because it is so noisy. How they can stand 
it all day every day is beyond me.

RLE


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[MBZ] Smoky Diesels was Re: 4Matic

2009-08-12 Thread kevin kraly


Wilton said that the Smoky F250/F350 trucks aren't a good image for Diesels.

That's where the Cummins Bluetec and Duramax come in, quiet, powerful and 
very little smoke unless they're chipped and piped.  Our '07 Ram hardly 
smells like Diesel.


Kevin in Hillsboro, OR between MB Diesels, 



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Re: [MBZ] Modding GM diesels

2009-08-12 Thread RELNGSON

> ...I wonder how many of them have been modified? There are lots of kits 
> for reprogramming diesel trucks for power.
> 
My friend CB installed a Banks turbo kit on his diesel Suburban (the engine 
before the factory turbo in 1995) and even though he watched the TIT and 
EGT gauges like a hawk, the engine was all done at 120K miles.

The stock engine just couldn't cut it pulling a car trailer in the western 
mountains.

RLE


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Re: [MBZ] MB diesel trucks

2009-08-12 Thread RELNGSON

> UPS, FedEx, others in the fleet business have been very reluctant to 
> use diesels, there are a bunch of M/B Freightliners
> 
Really! UPS, Fedex and DHL own thousands of Sprinters. You never see Ford 
boxvans around anymore. 

RLE
> 
> 

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Re: [MBZ] 4Matic

Alex Chamberlain  writes:

> Yeah, is that a regional thing, maybe?  Every UPS truck I have ever
> been close enough to to hear in my neck of the woods (western Oregon)
> has sure sounded like a diesel.

Around here most of them are gassers, except you also see a fair number
of diesel Sprinters.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D

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Re: [MBZ] Older

"Peter T. Arnold"  writes:

> An coworker did that with an F350.
>
> At about 50Kmi, in traffic, his wife put a rod thru the pan!  Ford
> dealer scanned to 'puter and all but laughed at him.  I think the tab
> was about $7K and they refused all coverage on drivetrain after that.
>
> You wanna play?  You gotta pay

Or remember to reset the computer to stock before you take it to the
dealer.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D

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Re: [MBZ] Cash for clunkers hits home

"Kaleb C. Striplin"  writes:

> I just dont buy somebody would trade in a 07 powerstroke as a clunker
> in on a prius.  The truck is worth more than 4500.  Dealer is probably
> full of it, most of them are.

I thought the clunker had to be at least some number of years old, no?

Allan
-- 
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Re: [MBZ] Cash for clunkers hits home

Mitch Haley  writes:

> On a related topic, how much do you want to bet that the government
> subsidized electric vehicles will prove to be, just like the GM
> Impact, clearly inferior to a comparable gasoline or diesel vehicle.
> Just imagine that you took an Impact, pulled out the electric motor,
> batteries, etc and dropped in a 25hp diesel engine and a five gallon
> fuel tank. You'd have a much lighter car that runs circles around an
> Impact, gets 100-150 mpg, has a 500+ mile range, and the reduced cost
> of production would pay for a lifetime of biodiesel.

Have you heard the ads that Government Motors, formerly known as General
Motors, is running for the Chevy Volt?  Claiming 230 MPG.  Of course
this assumes that the electricity used to charge the batteries from the
overnight from the wall socket has no cost.

By their logic, with a 40 mile range before it needs to tap the auxilary
gasoline engine, you could in theory drive a one-way commute of 20 miles
every day and have an MPG of "infinity"

And at $40K sticker, the total cost of ownership is not going to be what
people might assume from that 230 MPG claim.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D

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[MBZ] turbo DIESEL MERCEDES 1983 300d 181k - $300

2009-08-12 Thread Bill R

http://www.crazedlist.org/index.cgi?areas=219,238,331,332,39,80,205
<http://www.crazedlist.org/index.cgi?areas=219,238,331,332,39,80,205&catAbbr
eviation=sss&query=mercedes&minAsk=min&maxAsk=max&thiscat=8&submit=Search>
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earch

 

Just ran across this one.

BillR

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Re: [MBZ] 4Matic

Eventually...

Need to hit that magic confluence of time, space and money...

-Curt

Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:21:16 -0500
From: Fmiser 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4Matic
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> Curt Raymond wrote:

> I wish somebody would make a 1/2 ton diesel pickup. ~150hp
> ~30mpg...

Make your own. Use a Cummins 4 cylinder turbo. *grin*

--   Philip


  
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Re: [MBZ] 4Matic

If it is CT is special... MA, NH, VT, ME all have diesel package vans...

-Curt

Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:20:10 -0700
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4Matic
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On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 3:00 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:
> Peter T. Arnold wrote:
>>
>> UPS, FedEx, others in the fleet business have been very reluctant to use
>> diesels, there are a bunch of M/B Freightliners.
>
> My UPS guy has been driving a 1995 5.9L Cummins 6BT with a Spicer 5sp manual
> trans behind it since, well, 1995. (Except in 1995 it was the same truck
> with a different driver, new guy's only been on the route for 9-10 years)
>

Yeah, is that a regional thing, maybe?  Every UPS truck I have ever
been close enough to to hear in my neck of the woods (western Oregon)
has sure sounded like a diesel.

Alex


  
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel cars in the US (not trucks)

agreed on the trans, and i've been fond of many things i've seen
Advanced Adapters do.

as for the fuel economy, i've never seen the kind of fuel economy in
my XJ that the Libbys got, but i've never seen a Libby in some of the
places our very mildly prepared XJ goes.
if only there was a good diesel option for our XJ, i'd be all over
it if the engine ever went away... but only have 240K miles on the
engine that's in there now, and it shows no sign of giving up anytime
soon. ;-)

cheers!
e

Kevin wrote:

The 42RLE leaves a few things to be desired. But if you have one and have
$1700, advance adapters just came out with a replacement for the tailhousing
that is a crawl box with a 2.7ish to 1 low. Bolts in, no driveline mods
required.

Transmission aside, the liberty diesel wasn't the world's most reliable
machine. I'll take my old 4.0 XJ and get roughly the same mileage and
not have to fuss with that fussy drivetrain they put in.

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 03:52:37PM -0700, ernest breakfield wrote:

Jeep; being a long-time J**p enthusiast and a bit of a diesel-head, i
was pretty excited to hear about J**p doing a diesel and willing to
overlook the stupid Libby IFS chassis they were putting it in. however,
interest quickly faded when it became apparent that these things
couldn't be expected to get much more than about 21 MPG average in
real-life, and rarely much better than 25-26 on the highway.
add to that later recalls for suspension failures, and the fact that
ChryCo saw fit to address their failing torque converters in the crappy
ChryCo (42LRE?) trannys by reprogramming the engine to produce *less*
torque (WTF?!), and we're more underwhelmed by them all the time.

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Re: [MBZ] Diesel cars in the US (not trucks)

yep, we know,... but like all Grands since i bought my XJ back in '94, 
the Grands were too dang plush and they wanted *way* too much money for 
something that was actually going to be used in the dirt.   ;-)



cheers!
e


Alex Chamberlain wrote:

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 3:52 PM, ernest
breakfield wrote:
  

Jeep; being a long-time J**p enthusiast and a bit of a diesel-head, i was
pretty excited to hear about J**p doing a diesel and willing to overlook the
stupid Libby IFS chassis they were putting it in.



They also sold the diesel Grand Cherokee in the USA for a couple of
years (2006-7?), which had a well-regarded M-B engine (the 3.2 liter
CRD) rather than the one from VM Motori that was in the Liberty.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Diesel cars in the US (not trucks)

2009-08-12 Thread Kevin

The 42RLE leaves a few things to be desired. But if you have one and have
$1700, advance adapters just came out with a replacement for the tailhousing
that is a crawl box with a 2.7ish to 1 low. Bolts in, no driveline mods
required.

Transmission aside, the liberty diesel wasn't the world's most reliable
machine. I'll take my old 4.0 XJ and get roughly the same mileage and 
not have to fuss with that fussy drivetrain they put in.

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 03:52:37PM -0700, ernest breakfield wrote:
> Jeep; being a long-time J**p enthusiast and a bit of a diesel-head, i 
> was pretty excited to hear about J**p doing a diesel and willing to 
> overlook the stupid Libby IFS chassis they were putting it in. however, 
> interest quickly faded when it became apparent that these things 
> couldn't be expected to get much more than about 21 MPG average in 
> real-life, and rarely much better than 25-26 on the highway.
>add to that later recalls for suspension failures, and the fact that 
> ChryCo saw fit to address their failing torque converters in the crappy 
> ChryCo (42LRE?) trannys by reprogramming the engine to produce *less* 
> torque (WTF?!), and we're more underwhelmed by them all the time.

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Re: [MBZ] Diesel cars in the US (not trucks)

2009-08-12 Thread Alex Chamberlain

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 3:52 PM, ernest
breakfield wrote:
> Jeep; being a long-time J**p enthusiast and a bit of a diesel-head, i was
> pretty excited to hear about J**p doing a diesel and willing to overlook the
> stupid Libby IFS chassis they were putting it in.

They also sold the diesel Grand Cherokee in the USA for a couple of
years (2006-7?), which had a well-regarded M-B engine (the 3.2 liter
CRD) rather than the one from VM Motori that was in the Liberty.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Diesel cars in the US (not trucks)

VW; while the TDIs are long-time favs of the BioFuels set around here, 
VW really blew it in the last few years by using an emissions system 
that prohibits the use of BioDiesel.
   this article on the topic isn't entirely accurate, but gives you the 
idea of some of the challenges: 
http://www.biodieselmagazine.com/article.jsp?article_id=2290

   shorter and simpler:
http://www.savebiodiesel.org/detail.html

Jeep; being a long-time J**p enthusiast and a bit of a diesel-head, i 
was pretty excited to hear about J**p doing a diesel and willing to 
overlook the stupid Libby IFS chassis they were putting it in. however, 
interest quickly faded when it became apparent that these things 
couldn't be expected to get much more than about 21 MPG average in 
real-life, and rarely much better than 25-26 on the highway.
   add to that later recalls for suspension failures, and the fact that 
ChryCo saw fit to address their failing torque converters in the crappy 
ChryCo (42LRE?) trannys by reprogramming the engine to produce *less* 
torque (WTF?!), and we're more underwhelmed by them all the time.


   2 examples of how car companies can screw up in spite of being *so* 
close to getting it right.



cheers!
e


Curt Raymond wrote:

The other thing to remember when somebody says "Americans won't buy diesels" is 
the waiting list for a VW diesel.
When Jeep made the diesel Liberty they were sold out BEFORE they got to 
dealerships... Of course they made some stupid small number (like 8000) a 
year...

-Curt


  

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Re: [MBZ] 1983 300SD, She's Gone

2009-08-12 Thread Benz Hogs


What's the catch for $1000?

Mitch Haley wrote:

kevin kraly wrote:
I'm thinkin' something a bit newer next time, possibly a 1986-7 300SDL 
or a 1990-93 300D 2.5.  Of course, I wouldn't turn down a nice '82-85 
300TDt or 300CDt.


You can have my '92 2.5 turbo for $1000.

Mitch.


--
Luther   KB5QHUAlma, Ark
'87 300SDL (281,xxx mi)
'85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast
'82 300CD (183 kmi)
'82 300D  (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold
'85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine "The Accordion"

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Re: [MBZ] Driving in L.A.

My wife had a medical appointment at a local hospital. I drove her there in my 
F150 Supercrew. We parked in the
elevated ramp beside the hospital. The truck went under the bar at the entry so 
I assumed it would be OK. It was,
but boy we must have been close. I felt like the roof was going to rub the 
whole time and every time we went over
any sort of bump, the radio antenna rubbed. I was real happy to get out of 
there with the paint on the top intact.

Randy

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Subject: [MBZ] Driving in L.A.


Some time in 1978, I was at home for a few days from Greenland.  We lived in 
the little village of Wrightwood in
San Gabriel Mtns. above L.A.  One afternoon we drove our Dodge/Plymouth van to 
the Dorothy Chandler Music Pavilion
in L.A. to see the stage show "Annie."  Just as we were about enter the 
underground parking area beneath the
theater, I yelled to my wife, who was driving, "Stop!  Stop!  We can't go under 
there!"  She stopped, asking
incredulously, "Why not?"  "We're too tall," I answered, "The top of the van's 
gonna strike the top of the
entrance."  "Well, I drove in here a coupla weeks ago," she responded, and 
started to move forward.  I yelled, "No,
stop!" as I stood in the van's doorway and sighted across the top of the van to 
the top of the opening.  "Well, it
won't go in there today.  It's about 2 inches too high.  How many others were 
in the van with you?"  "Four or
five," she answered, as I stepped out and asked driver behind us to let us back 
out.  We were lucky that I was
watching roof clearance, lucky to be early enough to have very light traffic, 
lucky to have plenty of parking space
across the street and especially lucky that the other ladies didn't take other 
rides home on their trip a coupla
weeks before.

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] 4Matic

Don't think it has not been considered.

Randy

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> Curt Raymond wrote:

> I wish somebody would make a 1/2 ton diesel pickup. ~150hp
> ~30mpg...

Make your own. Use a Cummins 4 cylinder turbo. *grin*

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] 4Matic

> Peter T. Arnold wrote:

> UPS, FedEx, others in the fleet business have been very
> reluctant to use diesels, there are a bunch of M/B
> Freightliners.

Most ever FedEx delivery vans I've seen recently are a Sprinter
with a diesel.  Many of the UPS step vans are diesel.  The LP
delivery truck is even diesel now - used to be LP powered.

--Philip

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Re: [MBZ] 4Matic

> > Allan Streib wrote:
> > 
> > I'm not sure that's really helping matters for people who'd
> > like to see passenger car diesels.  Those trucks sound like
> > a Freightliner semi tractor off the line at a stoplight,
> > complete with belching black clouds.  So that only
> > reinforces the image of diesels as noisy, smoky, and slow.

> Mitch Haley wrote:
>
> Result: Sounds like a semi tractor, and smokes like
> one too.

The only big trucks that smoke are either quite old, (1975 or so
and older), broken, or have also been modified.

With 50,000 lbs of cargo, power is nice - but fuel economy is a
big deal.  

An over-the-road truck will typically run at least 2500 miles
per week. At 6 mpg and $3.50/gallon that's almost $1500 for fuel
every week.  Turn the engine up so it looses 5% (5.7 mpg) and it
will cost the truck about $75 for that little 2500 mile week.
Therefore few owners will choose to waste fuel with smoke.

But not all of them are that smart

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] 4Matic

> Curt Raymond wrote:

> I wish somebody would make a 1/2 ton diesel pickup. ~150hp
> ~30mpg...

Make your own. Use a Cummins 4 cylinder turbo. *grin*

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] 4Matic

2009-08-12 Thread Alex Chamberlain

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 3:00 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:
> Peter T. Arnold wrote:
>>
>> UPS, FedEx, others in the fleet business have been very reluctant to use
>> diesels, there are a bunch of M/B Freightliners.
>
> My UPS guy has been driving a 1995 5.9L Cummins 6BT with a Spicer 5sp manual
> trans behind it since, well, 1995. (Except in 1995 it was the same truck
> with a different driver, new guy's only been on the route for 9-10 years)
>

Yeah, is that a regional thing, maybe?  Every UPS truck I have ever
been close enough to to hear in my neck of the woods (western Oregon)
has sure sounded like a diesel.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Older


Peter T. Arnold wrote:

An coworker did that with an F350.

At about 50Kmi, in traffic, his wife put a rod thru the pan!  


Do you know if he had propane, and what brand of computer chip he had?
Somebody made a chip for the 7.3 powerchoke that used a LOT of timing advance.
Combine that with propane, and kablooey!

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Re: [MBZ] Daughter Needs a Car... Pronto

Yes, I know.  ;<))

Wilton

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Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 5:55 PM
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Because they don't have any other way to get around. Their whole system 
was designed for cars.

Randy

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I have driven in L.A. many times; why would anybody WANT to drive there?
;<)

Wilton

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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Daughter Needs a Car... Pronto

Bob R. Wrote: "Anyone have something they would want their daughter to
drive in L.A. (read,
"auto, good air, not 'old lady looking', worry-free)? My oldest is ready
to
spend $5K and we cannot find squat around here. She wants to move back to
L.A. next week."

I am guessing you would consider the Mercury Grand Marquis as "old lady
looking."  Too bad, because if I as driving in LA, I would want lots of
steel around me and the Grand Marquis would probably be ideal!

Donald H. Snook

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[MBZ] Driving in L.A.

Some time in 1978, I was at home for a few days from Greenland. We lived in
the little village of Wrightwood in San Gabriel Mtns. above L.A. One afternoon
we drove our Dodge/Plymouth van to the Dorothy Chandler Music Pavilion in L.A.
to see the stage show "Annie." Just as we were about enter the underground
parking area beneath the theater, I yelled to my wife, who was driving, "Stop!
Stop! We can't go under there!" She stopped, asking incredulously, "Why not?"
"We're too tall," I answered, "The top of the van's gonna strike the top of
the entrance." "Well, I drove in here a coupla weeks ago," she responded, and
started to move forward. I yelled, "No, stop!" as I stood in the van's doorway
and sighted across the top of the van to the top of the opening. "Well, it
won't go in there today. It's about 2 inches too high. How many others were
in the van with you?" "Four or five," she answered, as I stepped out and asked
driver behind us to let us back out. We were lucky that I was watching roof
clearance, lucky to be early enough to have very light traffic, lucky to have
plenty of parking space across the street and especially lucky that the other
ladies didn't take other rides home on their trip a coupla weeks before.

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] Daughter Needs a Car... Pronto

2009-08-12 Thread Frederick W Moir


Alles.
Re Kalifornia traffic.
Alvis, six wheel drive, blast deflecting armored vehicle?
A guy in Gloucester has one that I covet.
Not that there is any justifiable practical civilian use.
But, what a toy!
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesels talk to me. (and sometimes I answer)

At 05:57 PM 8/12/2009, you wrote:

But, as you well know, it is not all that easy to find a good one.



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Re: [MBZ] 4Matic


Peter T. Arnold wrote:
UPS, FedEx, others in the fleet business have been very reluctant to use 
diesels, there are a bunch of M/B Freightliners.


My UPS guy has been driving a 1995 5.9L Cummins 6BT with a Spicer 5sp manual 
trans behind it since, well, 1995. (Except in 1995 it was the same truck with a 
different driver, new guy's only been on the route for 9-10 years)


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[MBZ] Older


An coworker did that with an F350.

At about 50Kmi, in traffic, his wife put a rod thru the pan!  Ford 
dealer scanned to 'puter and all but laughed at him.  I think the tab 
was about $7K and they refused all coverage on drivetrain after that.


You wanna play?  You gotta pay

--

Pete Arnold

When you get older, you don't regret the things you did in life.

You regret the things you didn't do.



R A Bennell wrote:

I wonder how many of them have been modified? There are lots of kits for 
reprogramming diesel trucks for power.

A client had one a while back that he had modified to pull. They hauled 
something out of Chicago - 18000# on a
trailer. He said, with the modifications it would accelerate from 80 mph with a 
puff of smoke and he was gone.

He had changed some of the injection system if I recall - bigger injectors and 
pump etc from a schoolbus that
apparently had basically the same engine but more power. The pickup truck had 
been detuned to make it quieter.

Randy

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Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 3:15 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4Matic


On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:51 -0700, "Curt Raymond"  wrote:

  

I *think* the whole thing boils down to car execs being basically
"average Americans" and not understanding why some of us don't want
diesels. I'm sure they could sell us diesels if they decided it was worth
doing. It seems like just about every F250-F350 is a diesel now, I see
them all over the place...



I'm not sure that's really helping matters for people who'd like to see 
passenger car diesels.  Those trucks sound
like a Freightliner semi tractor off the line at a stoplight, complete with 
belching black clouds.  So that only
reinforces the image of diesels as noisy, smoky, and slow.

Allan
--
1983 300D


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Re: [MBZ] Daughter Needs a Car... Pronto

2009-08-12 Thread tyler

Bicycling works a lot better here. I've actually found I can get almost 
anywhere in LA faster on a bicycle than in a car, due to the slow 
traffic. Plus the weather is great for cycling year round!


I used to like driving, and like cars before I moved here- but now I 
can't stand it. I'd rather stay home than drive here. Amazingly, I have 
a friend from Athens and one from London- and they both rave about how 
courteous the drivers are here, and how light the traffic is.


Tyler

R A Bennell wrote:

Because they don't have any other way to get around. Their whole system was 
designed for cars.

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] 4Matic

UPS, FedEx, others in the fleet business have been very reluctant to use 
diesels, there are a bunch of M/B Freightliners.



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Curt Raymond wrote:

Theres very little I want to do that my Ranger won't accomplish (probably 
shouldn't haul cars with it but I've only done that once anyway). A small 
diesel with better economy would be fantastic. Available just about everywhere 
else in the world but not here...

I *think* the whole thing boils down to car execs being basically "average 
Americans" and not understanding why some of us don't want diesels. I'm sure they 
could sell us diesels if they decided it was worth doing. It seems like just about every 
F250-F350 is a diesel now, I see them all over the place...

-Curt

Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:16:47 -0500
From: "R A Bennell" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4Matic
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Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1"

Me too! Don't really need a 3/4 ton. My F150 Supercrew seems able to tow what I 
tow and to haul what I haul
(including people) but I would like a nice diesel. Not sure I want or need one 
of the 7 liter diesels or the
rougher ride that would likely go along with the heavier duty truck. Don't like 
the price tags on them either.

Randy

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Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 12:48 PM
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I wish somebody would make a 1/2 ton diesel pickup. ~150hp ~30mpg...

-Curt



  
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Re: [MBZ] Daughter Needs a Car... Pronto

But, as you well know, it is not all that easy to find a good one.

Randy

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Daughter Needs a Car... Pronto


Can't beat a 300TD with the extra rear seat for comfort, flexibility,
thrift, practicality, and pure driving pleasure.  :))

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 1:28 PM, E M  wrote:

> If she's single, how about a used, Golf, Mustang, even a 2 door Chev
> Cavalier.  She can even get one with a drop top.  You can fix them with a
> hammer and a roll of tape.  There are also lots of minivans in that range.
> Everyone will think she has 6 kids, but most are cheap to run, and for
> "real
> life" daily stuff, they're great.
>
> If she wants something used for $5000, the hard part is narrowing it down,
> as there is just so much out there that could fit her needs.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Ed
> 300E
>
> 2009/8/12 Alex Chamberlain 
>
> > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 5:43 AM, Bob Rentfro wrote:
> > > Anyone have something they would want their daughter to drive in L.A.
> > (read,
> > > "auto, good air, not 'old lady looking', worry-free)? My oldest is
> ready
> > to
> > > spend $5K and we cannot find squat around here. She wants to move back
> to
> > > L.A. next week.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Mitch and Snook will probably both suggest an early-'00s Buick or
> > Olds, which will be easy to fix, pretty reliable, and definitely have
> > powerful A/C.  Maybe a little "old-lady-looking" though.
> >
> > I have a 2000 Suburban 1/2-ton 4x4 in very good shape which I would be
> > happy to get rid of for $4500 or so, if she likes that kind of thing.
> > About all it needs is new tires which ought to take care of the $500
> > difference.  (Overkill for a single person unless she does a lot of
> > hauling, of course, and a bit of a gas guzzler at about 18 mpg
> > highway.)  I'm in Portland, which is about a 20 hour drive from Los
> > Angeles.
> >
> > Alex
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Daughter Needs a Car... Pronto

Because they don't have any other way to get around. Their whole system was 
designed for cars.

Randy

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I have driven in L.A. many times; why would anybody WANT to drive there? 
;<)

Wilton

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Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Daughter Needs a Car... Pronto


> Bob R. Wrote: "Anyone have something they would want their daughter to 
> drive in L.A. (read,
> "auto, good air, not 'old lady looking', worry-free)? My oldest is ready 
> to
> spend $5K and we cannot find squat around here. She wants to move back to
> L.A. next week."
>
> I am guessing you would consider the Mercury Grand Marquis as "old lady 
> looking."  Too bad, because if I as driving in LA, I would want lots of 
> steel around me and the Grand Marquis would probably be ideal!
>
>
> Donald H. Snook
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Re: [MBZ] 4Matic

2009-08-12 Thread Alex Chamberlain

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 1:54 PM, R A Bennell wrote:
> Not sure if it is so much that as the concern about air quality in such 
> places as California.
>

Last I heard Subaru's boxer diesel was NOT going to be sold in the USA
after all, for exactly that reason---too expensive to comply with the
dog's breakfast of emissions laws from state to state.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Daughter Needs a Car... Pronto

I have driven in L.A. many times; why would anybody WANT to drive there? 
;<)

Wilton

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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Daughter Needs a Car... Pronto

Bob R. Wrote: "Anyone have something they would want their daughter to 
drive in L.A. (read,
"auto, good air, not 'old lady looking', worry-free)? My oldest is ready 
to

spend $5K and we cannot find squat around here. She wants to move back to
L.A. next week."

I am guessing you would consider the Mercury Grand Marquis as "old lady 
looking."  Too bad, because if I as driving in LA, I would want lots of 
steel around me and the Grand Marquis would probably be ideal!

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] 4Matic

The noisy, smoky F250's and F350's don't give "regular" Diesel vehicles a 
good "image."

Wilton

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Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4Matic

On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:51 -0700, "Curt Raymond"  
wrote:

I *think* the whole thing boils down to car execs being basically
"average Americans" and not understanding why some of us don't want
diesels. I'm sure they could sell us diesels if they decided it was worth
doing. It seems like just about every F250-F350 is a diesel now, I see
them all over the place...

I'm not sure that's really helping matters for people who'd like to see 
passenger car diesels.  Those trucks sound like a Freightliner semi 
tractor off the line at a stoplight, complete with belching black clouds. 
So that only reinforces the image of diesels as noisy, smoky, and slow.

Allan
--
1983 300D

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Re: [MBZ] 4Matic


Allan Streib wrote:


I'm not sure that's really helping matters for people who'd like to see 
passenger car diesels.  Those trucks sound like a Freightliner semi tractor off 
the line at a stoplight, complete with belching black clouds.  So that only 
reinforces the image of diesels as noisy, smoky, and slow.


Not in their stock configuration, unless the air filter is plugged. Anything 
made since about 1998 is going to make slightly less smoke than a well tuned 617.
Lots of guys buy them, put a 3.5 or 4" straight pipe on them, and chip the 
computer. Result: Sounds like a semi tractor, and smokes like one too.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Daughter Needs a Car... Pronto

2009-08-12 Thread Donald Snook

Bob R. Wrote: "Anyone have something they would want their daughter to drive in 
L.A. (read,
"auto, good air, not 'old lady looking', worry-free)? My oldest is ready to
spend $5K and we cannot find squat around here. She wants to move back to
L.A. next week."

I am guessing you would consider the Mercury Grand Marquis as "old lady 
looking."  Too bad, because if I as driving in LA, I would want lots of steel 
around me and the Grand Marquis would probably be ideal!


Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] 4Matic

I wonder how many of them have been modified? There are lots of kits for 
reprogramming diesel trucks for power.

A client had one a while back that he had modified to pull. They hauled 
something out of Chicago - 18000# on a
trailer. He said, with the modifications it would accelerate from 80 mph with a 
puff of smoke and he was gone.

He had changed some of the injection system if I recall - bigger injectors and 
pump etc from a schoolbus that
apparently had basically the same engine but more power. The pickup truck had 
been detuned to make it quieter.

Randy

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Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 3:15 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4Matic

On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:51 -0700, "Curt Raymond"  wrote:

> I *think* the whole thing boils down to car execs being basically
> "average Americans" and not understanding why some of us don't want
> diesels. I'm sure they could sell us diesels if they decided it was worth
> doing. It seems like just about every F250-F350 is a diesel now, I see
> them all over the place...

I'm not sure that's really helping matters for people who'd like to see 
passenger car diesels.  Those trucks sound
like a Freightliner semi tractor off the line at a stoplight, complete with 
belching black clouds.  So that only
reinforces the image of diesels as noisy, smoky, and slow.

Allan
--
1983 300D

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Re: [MBZ] 4Matic

On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:51 -0700, "Curt Raymond"  wrote:

> I *think* the whole thing boils down to car execs being basically
> "average Americans" and not understanding why some of us don't want
> diesels. I'm sure they could sell us diesels if they decided it was worth
> doing. It seems like just about every F250-F350 is a diesel now, I see
> them all over the place...

I'm not sure that's really helping matters for people who'd like to see 
passenger car diesels.  Those trucks sound like a Freightliner semi tractor off 
the line at a stoplight, complete with belching black clouds.  So that only 
reinforces the image of diesels as noisy, smoky, and slow.

Allan
--
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[MBZ] Diesel trucks

The other thing to remember when somebody says "Americans won't buy diesels" is 
the waiting list for a VW diesel.
When Jeep made the diesel Liberty they were sold out BEFORE they got to 
dealerships... Of course they made some stupid small number (like 8000) a 
year...

-Curt



  
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Re: [MBZ] 4Matic

Theres very little I want to do that my Ranger won't accomplish (probably 
shouldn't haul cars with it but I've only done that once anyway). A small 
diesel with better economy would be fantastic. Available just about everywhere 
else in the world but not here...

I *think* the whole thing boils down to car execs being basically "average 
Americans" and not understanding why some of us don't want diesels. I'm sure 
they could sell us diesels if they decided it was worth doing. It seems like 
just about every F250-F350 is a diesel now, I see them all over the place...

-Curt

Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:16:47 -0500
From: "R A Bennell" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4Matic
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Me too! Don't really need a 3/4 ton. My F150 Supercrew seems able to tow what I 
tow and to haul what I haul
(including people) but I would like a nice diesel. Not sure I want or need one 
of the 7 liter diesels or the
rougher ride that would likely go along with the heavier duty truck. Don't like 
the price tags on them either.

Randy

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Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 12:48 PM
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I wish somebody would make a 1/2 ton diesel pickup. ~150hp ~30mpg...

-Curt



  
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Re: [MBZ] 4Matic

I was ready to put down money when the Jeep Gladiator concept came out and it 
had that horrible 4cyl Italian diesel thing powering it...

Diesel here is a ~$0.20 premium over gas but if I could get 20-50% better 
mileage I'd take that hit...

-Curt

Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:58:46 -0400
From: Mitch Haley 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4Matic
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Curt Raymond wrote:
> I wish somebody would make a 1/2 ton diesel pickup. ~150hp ~30mpg...

When the downsized 6.0 came out in 2003, there was talk of a V-6 4.5L for the 
F-150. Would have been a lot more than 150hp, but 30mpg hwy might have been 
possible.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Phones

2009-08-12 Thread kevin kraly

I have a dry bag that I use while paddling in the dragon boat.  It has clips 
on each side at the top, and the top  rolls down and clips together to seal 
it.  Once there's air trapped in it, and the clips are fastened, it can't 
come unrolled and allow moisture to penetrate.  They also have smaller zip 
lock sealed pouches that can go around the neck for cell phones, ID card, 
money or whatever you want to put in there.  They zip closed and a flap 
velcros over the top to keep the seal in place.


Kevin in Hillsboro, OR, between MB Diesels 



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Re: [MBZ] 4Matic

Not sure if it is so much that as the concern about air quality in such places 
as California.

Randy

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Yeah, GM ruined the US Diesel market 25 - 30 years ago.

Wilton

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Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4Matic


> wasn't there supposed to be a honda diesel released for 2008?  or 2009? 
> or
> 2010?
>
> doesn't seem there is much faith in diesel for the us market
>
> On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 1:16 PM, dave walton  
> wrote:
>
>> Subaru is planning to release a diesel in the US market eventually. ~
>> 37mpg.
>>
>> http://www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/automotive_news/4286323.html
>>
>> -Dave Walton
>>
>> On 8/12/09, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>> > Its not that a car isn't unsuitable, its unhandy... Or rather 4wd is
>> super handy.
>> >
>> >  At camp its not that 4wd is required, in that case its ground 
>> > clearance,
>> although I probably could get away with something like a Subaru Forester
>> which has fairly good clearance.
>> >
>> >  If I'm gonna go to an AWD car though I might as well get a pickup, a 
>> > car
>> will only get a few mpg better (in the case of a Forester its 6) and a
>> pickup is dammed handy for cases where we're only taking 1 snowmobile for
>> instance. Or hauling wood, or mulch or gravel or branches or whatnot...
>> >
>> >  Most people that have SUVs and pickups probably don't need them. My
>> trucks WORK.
>> >
>> >  -Curt
>> >
>> >  Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 00:43:19 -0500
>> >  From: Fmiser 
>> >  Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4Matic
>> >  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> >  Message-ID: <20090812004319.0ca8f0c5.fmi...@gmail.com>
>> >  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>> >
>> >
>> >  > Hendrik & Fay wrote:
>> >
>> >  > Early 124 4matics where prone to problems but later versions
>> >  > where better but best to avoid 4matics unless you have a real
>> >  > need for that sort of thing.
>> >
>> >  Like Curt Raymond and his complaining that a car isn't suitable
>> >  for pulling a snowmobile trailer in the snow.
>> >
>> >  --  Philip
>> >
>> >
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Re: [MBZ] how to tell mileage of car

2009-08-12 Thread Dwight E. Giles, Jr

Yes, since I have been known to change pedals before selling.(Sand them down
first)
Dwight 
Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co
Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
Wickford RI 02852
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Exactly Ed, I should have included that.

Thanks -
LarryT
;-)



>I well documented car with full service records will show it's mileage.
> Everything else, safest to assume it has more.
>
> And as Larry said check the pedals.  Not only for wear, but if they look a
> little too new, question it too. ;-)
>
> Ed
> 


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Phones

Yes, but then it does not fit in my pocket as well.

Randy

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Trap some air in it (the bag, that is), it could even float

Wilton

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Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Phones


> Not sure if it would help if in the water for a lengthy period of time but 
> when I go in the canoe, I usually put my
> cell phone in a ziplock plastic bag.
>
> Randy
>
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Jim Cathey
> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 12:12 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Phones
>
>
>> Good luck with it, but how did it get IN the ocean?  Drop from shirt
>> pocket while hauling in a big fish?
>
> Running around in the surf with my son and his cousins.
> Never noticed it was gone until I got back to the house.
> Went looking for it, no luck.  Got it back two days later,
> dried and full of sand.
>
> Many pictures on it I want to salvage, we've misplaced
> the laptop bluetooth adapter during the construction,
> and it hadn't surfaced yet.  Don't know if the pictures
> are stored on the little SIM card or not.  (GSM phone,
> not CDMA.  Razr V3.)
>
> -- Jim
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] how to tell mileage of car

2009-08-12 Thread LarryT


Exactly Ed, I should have included that.

Thanks -
LarryT
;-)


Demand that any Health care reform
that gets passed, must force members
of the Legislative, Judicial & Executive
Branches of government to be included
as well!
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Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] how to tell mileage of car



I well documented car with full service records will show it's mileage.
Everything else, safest to assume it has more.

And as Larry said check the pedals.  Not only for wear, but if they look a
little too new, question it too. ;-)

Ed
300E

2009/8/12 LarryT 


Look at the rubber covers on the brake pedal - after 60k miles or so one
corner (often) will wear smooth.

Larryt
91 300D

Demand that any Health care reform
that gets passed, must force members
of the Legislative, Judicial & Executive
Branches of government to be included
as well!
- Original Message - From: "Douglas" 
To: "Mercedes mailing list" 
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:49 PM
Subject: [MBZ] how to tell mileage of car


 So I am looking for a car for my son to drive and have been looking at
letting him use mine '80 300D, or buying another. I am leaning towards 
the
later and my first mercedes was a '80 240D with a manny. Is there a was 
to
tell the condition of the clutch and or mileage of the vehicle? As we 
all

know the odometer does fail on these.

Also is there a was to check lower ball joints when you go look at a 
car?


Douglas
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Re: [MBZ] 4Matic


Yeah, GM ruined the US Diesel market 25 - 30 years ago.

Wilton

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4Matic


wasn't there supposed to be a honda diesel released for 2008?  or 2009? 
or

2010?

doesn't seem there is much faith in diesel for the us market

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 1:16 PM, dave walton  
wrote:



Subaru is planning to release a diesel in the US market eventually. ~
37mpg.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/automotive_news/4286323.html

-Dave Walton

On 8/12/09, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> Its not that a car isn't unsuitable, its unhandy... Or rather 4wd is
super handy.
>
>  At camp its not that 4wd is required, in that case its ground 
> clearance,

although I probably could get away with something like a Subaru Forester
which has fairly good clearance.
>
>  If I'm gonna go to an AWD car though I might as well get a pickup, a 
> car

will only get a few mpg better (in the case of a Forester its 6) and a
pickup is dammed handy for cases where we're only taking 1 snowmobile for
instance. Or hauling wood, or mulch or gravel or branches or whatnot...
>
>  Most people that have SUVs and pickups probably don't need them. My
trucks WORK.
>
>  -Curt
>
>  Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 00:43:19 -0500
>  From: Fmiser 
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4Matic
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>  Message-ID: <20090812004319.0ca8f0c5.fmi...@gmail.com>
>  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
>
>  > Hendrik & Fay wrote:
>
>  > Early 124 4matics where prone to problems but later versions
>  > where better but best to avoid 4matics unless you have a real
>  > need for that sort of thing.
>
>  Like Curt Raymond and his complaining that a car isn't suitable
>  for pulling a snowmobile trailer in the snow.
>
>  --  Philip
>
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Phones

Trap some air in it (the bag, that is), it could even float

Wilton

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Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Phones

Not sure if it would help if in the water for a lengthy period of time but 
when I go in the canoe, I usually put my

cell phone in a ziplock plastic bag.

Randy

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Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 12:12 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Phones

Good luck with it, but how did it get IN the ocean?  Drop from shirt
pocket while hauling in a big fish?

Running around in the surf with my son and his cousins.
Never noticed it was gone until I got back to the house.
Went looking for it, no luck.  Got it back two days later,
dried and full of sand.

Many pictures on it I want to salvage, we've misplaced
the laptop bluetooth adapter during the construction,
and it hadn't surfaced yet.  Don't know if the pictures
are stored on the little SIM card or not.  (GSM phone,
not CDMA.  Razr V3.)

-- Jim

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Re: [MBZ] 4Matic

2009-08-12 Thread tyler

I think they're all over the place, except in the USA, unfortunately :( 
Sometimes you can see grey market diesel SUVs like Mercedes G-wagens, 
and Toyota Landcruisers, but they're really expensive and rare.


Tyler

R A Bennell wrote:

Me too! Don't really need a 3/4 ton. My F150 Supercrew seems able to tow what I 
tow and to haul what I haul
(including people) but I would like a nice diesel. Not sure I want or need one 
of the 7 liter diesels or the
rougher ride that would likely go along with the heavier duty truck. Don't like 
the price tags on them either.

Randy

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Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 12:48 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4Matic


I wish somebody would make a 1/2 ton diesel pickup. ~150hp ~30mpg...

-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] 4Matic

Me too! Don't really need a 3/4 ton. My F150 Supercrew seems able to tow what I 
tow and to haul what I haul
(including people) but I would like a nice diesel. Not sure I want or need one 
of the 7 liter diesels or the
rougher ride that would likely go along with the heavier duty truck. Don't like 
the price tags on them either.

Randy

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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Curt Raymond
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 12:48 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4Matic


I wish somebody would make a 1/2 ton diesel pickup. ~150hp ~30mpg...

-Curt

Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:16:52 -0400
From: dave walton 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4Matic
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Subaru is planning to release a diesel in the US market eventually. ~ 37mpg.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/automotive_news/4286323.html

-Dave Walton

On 8/12/09, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> Its not that a car isn't unsuitable, its unhandy... Or rather 4wd is super 
> handy.
>
> 
At camp its not that 4wd is required, in that case its ground
clearance, although I probably could get away with something like a
Subaru Forester which has fairly good clearance.
>
>  If
I'm gonna go to an AWD car though I might as well get a pickup, a car
will only get a few mpg better (in the case of a Forester its 6) and a
pickup is dammed handy for cases where we're only taking 1 snowmobile
for instance. Or hauling wood, or mulch or gravel or branches or
whatnot...
>
>  Most people that have SUVs and pickups probably don't need them. My trucks 
>WORK.
>
>  -Curt



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