Re: [MBZ] SAAB, again
Lots of tire kickers but only the Chinese have the cash ;-) Hendrik who is busy studying the English to American dictionary relng...@aol.com wrote: [UPDATED 15:11 GMT] LUXEMBOURG/SWEDEN: Saab attracts surprise new bids 8 January 2010 | Source: Graeme Roberts A surprise new player last night announced a bid for Saab in partnership with Formula One racing supremo Bernie Ecclestone, prompting the General Motors board to add at least a day to its deadline. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [Banned] OT - Who Knows Furnaces?
At 3:32 PM -0800 1/8/10, LWB250 wrote: I would be interested in anyone's input if they have any direct experience with such furnaces or know someone who does B2 is the resident HVAC expert; he does that for a living. Not sure if he's signed on with his new email addy yet, so I'll forward this. -MMM- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Who Knows Furnaces?
2-3 months? Maybe in Indiana... Here in north central MA the furnace is on from November through at least March, probably April. Its a big deal when we finally break down and turn the heat up in November and a big relief when we turn it back down in the spring. Thats more like 5 months... Dan IIRC is in Wisconsin, I expect their heating season is at least as long as ours if not longer and their cold is colder. Our aging furnace is also due for replacement. We have forced hot water and when the money comes available (we're kind of limping along right now) I intend to buy something high efficiency and long life... -Curt Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 18:47:03 -0500 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Who Knows Furnaces? Message-ID: m1skagb1mw@cs.indiana.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My HVAC guy says that 95% vs. 80% takes years to pay back. All else being equal, you will save maybe $50 a month with the 95% vs. what you have now, for the two or three months per year that you really run the furnace extensively. Also when you move to a 95% furnace you will need to run 3 PVC exhaust and combustion intake pipes out the side of your house somewhere. We have a Carrier 95% furnace and it's a major pain. Gets into cycles where it won't want to ignite, then it goes into a 4-hour lockout mode before it will try again unless you cycle the power off and on to reset the computer. There are more sensors and control devices on the high-efficency furnaces, which are more things to go wrong. Maybe we just have a lemon, but I'd do some research before you buy. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
Max wrote Maybe you should only do the leaking DV's in order to reduce the possibility of a problem? That's a good idea. I'll have to clean things really good to determine which is the primary culprit/s. Usually the engine is pretty clean but it's been so cold that I haven't been able to rinse it off. At the moment there's a thin film of diesel around all 5 DV hold down clamps. BTW, what kind of noise should I be listening for? I wonder how the factory/dealer does them to make sure they do it right the first time (also know as DIRTFT) ? I'm sure the factory uses a special tool to screw all 5 or 6 in at once, but if I'm very careful with my torque wrench I should be able to duplicate the torque on each DV pretty precisely, I think. I suspect the 3 stage procedure for torqueing is to insure accuracy so there must have been problems in the past. Is the metal on the IP where the DV's are installed perhaps soft which could lead to inaccurate settings? Just curious --- Thx for the suggestion - - LarryT 91 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 11:15 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job According to my recollection of Marshall Booth's descriptions, it is possible to follow correct torque procedure (30Nm - release - 30Nm - release - 35Nm - lockdown) and still warp the IP body, which requires a re-do. My idea of doing one at a time (when doing them all) would help you determine which one had warped the IP body. I admit I've only rebuilt all of them at once on two different motors, and on neither motor did I start the engine between each DV rebuilt. Both were OM60x engines and on neither did I have any problems, but a thought experiment lead me to believe that an engine start to listen to the IP between each DV might be wise. Could be either too difficult or worthless if you have the intake manifold off when you re-start and can't hear anything different because of the extra noise from the intake openings in the head. Maybe you should only do the leaking DV's in order to reduce the possibility of a problem? -Max [SNIP] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
Doing one at a time is excess work. I have done 4 OM603s with good results by following the instructions. As with all injector work, cleanliness is the primary concern. After the deck is cleaned, and you start to remove the DVs, I back them out until the oring starts to show, then wash the DV and deck again. When the oring is leaking, it is crumbling. Lots of little black stuff is released and needs to be washed off. As you back out the DV, keep washing and blowing off the DV and deck. I take off and replace one DV at a time, up to the final torque. After the last DV is done, then replace the lines, bleed the air and tighten down the line at the injector. I also replace the DV springs while I am in there. It is just a precaution, and quite inexpensive. Don't replace only the leaking orings. You will be right back doing the job again. Taking off the intake manifold does make the job easier, but is not necessary. If I ever have need to remove the intake manifold, I change the orings, unless I know the orings are under 2 years old. I also order 8 orings, 8 copper seals and 6 springs to do the job. Sometimes it is necessary to pull one back out, and that usually results in a cut oring, and the copper seal should also be replaced. Having spares cuts a week off the duration of the job. (Waiting for more orings to be delivered) IF you don't have it, I will email the instructions I have accumulated from this list over time. You need to be clean and be careful, but it is not that hard of a job, and I think the dangers are overstated, unless you try to use air tools to install the delivery valves. Max wrote Maybe you should only do the leaking DV's in order to reduce the possibility of a problem? That's a good idea. I'll have to clean things really good to determine which is the primary culprit/s. Usually the engine is pretty clean but it's been so cold that I haven't been able to rinse it off. At the moment there's a thin film of diesel around all 5 DV hold down clamps. BTW, what kind of noise should I be listening for? I wonder how the factory/dealer does them to make sure they do it right the first time (also know as DIRTFT) ? I'm sure the factory uses a special tool to screw all 5 or 6 in at once, but if I'm very careful with my torque wrench I should be able to duplicate the torque on each DV pretty precisely, I think. I suspect the 3 stage procedure for torqueing is to insure accuracy so there must have been problems in the past. Is the metal on the IP where the DV's are installed perhaps soft which could lead to inaccurate settings? Just curious --- Thx for the suggestion - - LarryT 91 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Who Knows Furnaces?
I'm in central Indiana (Indianapolis), whose heating season is probably November to March. One of the considerations is the lousy efficiency of my current furnace, and that it is not a direct vent furnace, either. My resident HVAC guy says that because combustion air comes out of the house (pulling outside air in through whatever means) and goes right up the flue, it's probably less than 80%. I've owned homes in similar or harsher climates that had direct vent 90% or better efficiency furnaces, and they ran less and were cheaper to operate than this beast. Last December my gas bill was nearly $400. If I gain 15% I'll cut that down a bit, and with a variable speed air handler, also eliminate some of the stratification issues I have both heating and cooling. I have a two story entry that is rather voluminous - it faces west with glass from floor to ceiling, just about.. I keep the shades drawn on winter days unless the sun is shining. Otherwise, it's a huge place for heat loss, even with the double pane glass. It's the opposite in the summer - it's a giant heat sink and makes the AC work it's butt off while freezing the downstairs and the upstairs being hot. I really have several issues here - one is the furnace, the other the air distribution system. One battle at a time. Dan --- On Sat, 1/9/10, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Who Knows Furnaces? To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 7:23 AM 2-3 months? Maybe in Indiana... Here in north central MA the furnace is on from November through at least March, probably April. Its a big deal when we finally break down and turn the heat up in November and a big relief when we turn it back down in the spring. Thats more like 5 months... Dan IIRC is in Wisconsin, I expect their heating season is at least as long as ours if not longer and their cold is colder. Our aging furnace is also due for replacement. We have forced hot water and when the money comes available (we're kind of limping along right now) I intend to buy something high efficiency and long life... -Curt Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 18:47:03 -0500 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Who Knows Furnaces? Message-ID: m1skagb1mw@cs.indiana.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My HVAC guy says that 95% vs. 80% takes years to pay back. All else being equal, you will save maybe $50 a month with the 95% vs. what you have now, for the two or three months per year that you really run the furnace extensively. Also when you move to a 95% furnace you will need to run 3 PVC exhaust and combustion intake pipes out the side of your house somewhere. We have a Carrier 95% furnace and it's a major pain. Gets into cycles where it won't want to ignite, then it goes into a 4-hour lockout mode before it will try again unless you cycle the power off and on to reset the computer. There are more sensors and control devices on the high-efficency furnaces, which are more things to go wrong. Maybe we just have a lemon, but I'd do some research before you buy. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] pop-off
I All - I was curious about the actual pop-off bar (+/- 5 bar) value? With my Tech Data book I found something called Ejection Pressure. Does that sound like the MB version of Pop-off? If so, the values given are (in Bar): With new inj nozzles - 115-125bar (602 603-91) - 135-145bar (603-96) used inj. nozzles 100 bar 120 with the note The difference in ejection pressure between inj nozzles in one engine should not exceed 5 Bar gauge pressure. There are 2 tables with one titled Vertical Injection and another Oblique Injection. Both have the same values. There are also charts without labels nut *with* Nozzle Holder part number combinations. The Ejection values for these are the same for new nozzles but the value for used nozzles is 100 bar although the same tolerance note is provided saying no more than 5 bar is acceptable. I hope this info is helpful -- LarryT 91 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: John Robbins je...@msstate.edu Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 4:03 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] pop-off On 1/8/2010 3:00 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: That qualifies as all over the place and I know for a fact that my long-gone 123's injectors were evenly matched. 5 bar is the MB specified tolerance John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
Don wrote follow the instructions to the letter, and was very careful *Now* we're talking!! That's what I wanted to hear! ;-) Take care - LarryT 91 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 6:23 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job I've done the job on 2 603's and 2 602s - doing all the valves at once, and never had a problem. I did follow the instructions to the letter, and was very careful. Some were leaking before, noe after. Never did notice any change in noise. On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 3:33 PM, John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote: Doing them one by one and testing between on an OM606 is a major PITA; you have to pull all of the injector pipes and the manifold (for turbos, you have to remove the bolt securing the charge air pipe from the bottom) I believe the issue with warping the IP is due to the valve elements propensity for being off-center in the bores. If you carefully center the elements you may not have trouble. Disclaimer: I've only done the job once on each of the 2 OM606's that we have -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pulling Motors - Opinions?
I've never pulled the engine/tranny together on my 78 240D (W123) - when I rebuilt the engine I pulled the engine, I *did* however, bolt a piece of wood across the bell housing to be *very* certain the torque converter stayed firmly engaged in the front pump. LarryT OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 7:18 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Pulling Motors - Opinions? My vote (I have read none of the others, but have done this several times) is to leave the tranny on. There are tricks, and of course I am speaking from 123's only as far as Mercedes are concerned. It's much easier with a 240 than a 300, shorter block, same hole. I put the front of the car on stands. Just enough to get the front wheels off the ground. I use a load leveler on my lift. Get a good one. Check to see if the crank handle will interfere with any part of the lift in any position of the leveler chain attachment. Set the lift up so that when you make the 'turn'( lowering the tranny back end to the floor ) the engine is pointing almost straight up. Make sure you can achieve this angle before starting. There is a sheet metal 'bar' on the back of the engine for lifting. It's worthless. Replace it with a piece of bar stock, half inch thick or more, and twice as long as the factory thing. I have one I made from a piece of galvanized steel. Understand that for most of the lift, all the lifting will be done on the front of the engine. The rear lifting bar is primarily for guiding and lifting at the very initial and fery end portions of the job. Oh, and it helps when putting the engine on the ground or the stand. Make sure and disconnect the park switch wire on the automatic trannys. Seems like I remember a time, after several engine removals, that someone pulled one of those wires almost completely out of the harness. Don't remember who, of course. Bruce, if you're anywhere near central NC and want to use my lift setup, please feel free to give me an email off list ( I read very little of the list.. ) RH --- On Thu, 1/7/10, B Dike bdi...@yahoo.com wrote: From: B Dike bdi...@yahoo.com Subject: [MBZ] Pulling Motors - Opinions? To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 8:09 PM All, The first time I swapped an engine, I left the tranny in the car and unbolted the motor. It was extremely slow and tedious. Afterward, I vowed to never do it that way again, and next time pull tranny and motor together. The second time, I pulled the tranny and motor together, and vowed never to do that again. It was faster and simpler, but vastly more physical effort was required. Third time, pulled motor separately, and afterward decided again that it was a mistake. What is the consensus on this list? Cheers, Bruce ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
Thx for the instructions! Yes, I'd like the full content. What do you use to wash things off with as you work? Kero / Diesel? Thanks - LarryT 91 300D 602-962 OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 8:20 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job Doing one at a time is excess work. I have done 4 OM603s with good results by following the instructions. As with all injector work, cleanliness is the primary concern. After the deck is cleaned, and you start to remove the DVs, I back them out until the oring starts to show, then wash the DV and deck again. When the oring is leaking, it is crumbling. Lots of little black stuff is released and needs to be washed off. As you back out the DV, keep washing and blowing off the DV and deck. I take off and replace one DV at a time, up to the final torque. After the last DV is done, then replace the lines, bleed the air and tighten down the line at the injector. I also replace the DV springs while I am in there. It is just a precaution, and quite inexpensive. Don't replace only the leaking orings. You will be right back doing the job again. Taking off the intake manifold does make the job easier, but is not necessary. If I ever have need to remove the intake manifold, I change the orings, unless I know the orings are under 2 years old. I also order 8 orings, 8 copper seals and 6 springs to do the job. Sometimes it is necessary to pull one back out, and that usually results in a cut oring, and the copper seal should also be replaced. Having spares cuts a week off the duration of the job. (Waiting for more orings to be delivered) IF you don't have it, I will email the instructions I have accumulated from this list over time. You need to be clean and be careful, but it is not that hard of a job, and I think the dangers are overstated, unless you try to use air tools to install the delivery valves. Max wrote Maybe you should only do the leaking DV's in order to reduce the possibility of a problem? That's a good idea. I'll have to clean things really good to determine which is the primary culprit/s. Usually the engine is pretty clean but it's been so cold that I haven't been able to rinse it off. At the moment there's a thin film of diesel around all 5 DV hold down clamps. BTW, what kind of noise should I be listening for? I wonder how the factory/dealer does them to make sure they do it right the first time (also know as DIRTFT) ? I'm sure the factory uses a special tool to screw all 5 or 6 in at once, but if I'm very careful with my torque wrench I should be able to duplicate the torque on each DV pretty precisely, I think. I suspect the 3 stage procedure for torqueing is to insure accuracy so there must have been problems in the past. Is the metal on the IP where the DV's are installed perhaps soft which could lead to inaccurate settings? Just curious --- Thx for the suggestion - - LarryT 91 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
Lining the prong with clean fine oil ( NOT 3 in 1 -- sewing machine oil is ok ) helps avoid cut rings -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jan 9, 2010, at 8:20, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Doing one at a time is excess work. I have done 4 OM603s with good results by following the instructions. As with all injector work, cleanliness is the primary concern. After the deck is cleaned, and you start to remove the DVs, I back them out until the oring starts to show, then wash the DV and deck again. When the oring is leaking, it is crumbling. Lots of little black stuff is released and needs to be washed off. As you back out the DV, keep washing and blowing off the DV and deck. I take off and replace one DV at a time, up to the final torque. After the last DV is done, then replace the lines, bleed the air and tighten down the line at the injector. I also replace the DV springs while I am in there. It is just a precaution, and quite inexpensive. Don't replace only the leaking orings. You will be right back doing the job again. Taking off the intake manifold does make the job easier, but is not necessary. If I ever have need to remove the intake manifold, I change the orings, unless I know the orings are under 2 years old. I also order 8 orings, 8 copper seals and 6 springs to do the job. Sometimes it is necessary to pull one back out, and that usually results in a cut oring, and the copper seal should also be replaced. Having spares cuts a week off the duration of the job. (Waiting for more orings to be delivered) IF you don't have it, I will email the instructions I have accumulated from this list over time. You need to be clean and be careful, but it is not that hard of a job, and I think the dangers are overstated, unless you try to use air tools to install the delivery valves. Max wrote Maybe you should only do the leaking DV's in order to reduce the possibility of a problem? That's a good idea. I'll have to clean things really good to determine which is the primary culprit/s. Usually the engine is pretty clean but it's been so cold that I haven't been able to rinse it off. At the moment there's a thin film of diesel around all 5 DV hold down clamps. BTW, what kind of noise should I be listening for? I wonder how the factory/dealer does them to make sure they do it right the first time (also know as DIRTFT) ? I'm sure the factory uses a special tool to screw all 5 or 6 in at once, but if I'm very careful with my torque wrench I should be able to duplicate the torque on each DV pretty precisely, I think. I suspect the 3 stage procedure for torqueing is to insure accuracy so there must have been problems in the past. Is the metal on the IP where the DV's are installed perhaps soft which could lead to inaccurate settings? Just curious --- Thx for the suggestion - - LarryT 91 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
I use brake parts cleaner and air to blow it dry. To find the leakers, sprinkle some baby powder around the DVs and watch. I've done two 603s without problems and on the first one, I used the hold down straps as a wrench to do the torque. I did however follow the procedures with care. Harry - Original Message - From: LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job Thx for the instructions! Yes, I'd like the full content. What do you use to wash things off with as you work? Kero / Diesel? Thanks - LarryT 91 300D 602-962 OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 8:20 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job Doing one at a time is excess work. I have done 4 OM603s with good results by following the instructions. As with all injector work, cleanliness is the primary concern. After the deck is cleaned, and you start to remove the DVs, I back them out until the oring starts to show, then wash the DV and deck again. When the oring is leaking, it is crumbling. Lots of little black stuff is released and needs to be washed off. As you back out the DV, keep washing and blowing off the DV and deck. I take off and replace one DV at a time, up to the final torque. After the last DV is done, then replace the lines, bleed the air and tighten down the line at the injector. I also replace the DV springs while I am in there. It is just a precaution, and quite inexpensive. Don't replace only the leaking orings. You will be right back doing the job again. Taking off the intake manifold does make the job easier, but is not necessary. If I ever have need to remove the intake manifold, I change the orings, unless I know the orings are under 2 years old. I also order 8 orings, 8 copper seals and 6 springs to do the job. Sometimes it is necessary to pull one back out, and that usually results in a cut oring, and the copper seal should also be replaced. Having spares cuts a week off the duration of the job. (Waiting for more orings to be delivered) IF you don't have it, I will email the instructions I have accumulated from this list over time. You need to be clean and be careful, but it is not that hard of a job, and I think the dangers are overstated, unless you try to use air tools to install the delivery valves. Max wrote Maybe you should only do the leaking DV's in order to reduce the possibility of a problem? That's a good idea. I'll have to clean things really good to determine which is the primary culprit/s. Usually the engine is pretty clean but it's been so cold that I haven't been able to rinse it off. At the moment there's a thin film of diesel around all 5 DV hold down clamps. BTW, what kind of noise should I be listening for? I wonder how the factory/dealer does them to make sure they do it right the first time (also know as DIRTFT) ? I'm sure the factory uses a special tool to screw all 5 or 6 in at once, but if I'm very careful with my torque wrench I should be able to duplicate the torque on each DV pretty precisely, I think. I suspect the 3 stage procedure for torqueing is to insure accuracy so there must have been problems in the past. Is the metal on the IP where the DV's are installed perhaps soft which could lead to inaccurate settings? Just curious --- Thx for the suggestion - - LarryT 91 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
Rusty has the socket. I have a spare I'd sell or loan.The special socket, a T30 torx socket, and a torque wrench are all the special tools you really need. Order at least one extra oring and copper seal. clean everything in the area very thoroughly before starting. It only takes a speck of grit or even lint to mess up an injector. For cleaning: Pressure wash first is good. Then Diesel or #1 fuel with a stiff brush and blow off with compressed air. The first instructions apply to OM606. For OM 601/602/603, start at clean the top of the injector pump You may or may not want to remove the intake manifold. I have done it both ways. See notes at the end of writeup. Writeup is from John Reames, with notes added by Marshall and by me. Applies to OM606 W210.025/OM606.962 delivery valves. Most should apply to OM603. A few weeks ago I was asking about this job... I finished it, and it wasn't that bad (I'm kicking myself for not taking photos though!) It took me less than four hours for this job and that included running out to get the T-40. The 4 hours that the labor guide quotes is generous, certainly... If anyone has any thoughts/comments on this, lemme know. Parts: 7x 603 078 01 41 (Injection pipe clips) 7x 601 078 26 41 (Injection pipe shims--trim them on one side) 2x 601 078 26 41 (Injection pipe clips) 1x 606 141 01 80 (Intake manifold gasket OM 606 only, your gasket may vary) 6x 017 997 41 48 (Bosch 1-460-210-321 O-ring, you may want spares) 6x 004 997 45 40 (Bosch 1-410-105-021 Copper seal washer) (These are the same rings as used on a 602 or 603 engine.) Optional: 6x 001 074 34 93 Delivery valve spring. Tools: -8mm socket or nutrunner -10mm socket -6mm hex bit socket -T-30 socket -T-40 socket -13mm *special* crowsfoot 000 589 77 03 00 -32/33 spline *special* socket 617 589 01 09 00 -a dental pick or similar to aid in removal of seal rings and washers -some sort of zero residue aerosol cleaner (carb cleaner or electronics cleaner) -Torque wrenches capable of 10Nm - 35Nm -A box of rags (like the ones they sell at home depot, Scott Brand) misc extensions and ratchets and adapters (3/8-1/2 bushing, 3/8-1/4 reducer) -a can of clean oil (I used clear fine machine oil) or diesel fuel Instructions: -The first thing you want to do is jack the car up and remove at least the middle underpan (8mm hex head 4 places) -You will need to remove the bolt fastening the charge air cooler pipe to the EGR valve on the bottom of the intake manifold (Mine was missing!) as well as the clamp holding the EGR tube to the manifold/EGR valve (10mm bolt). -Put the car back down on the ground and remove the plastic oversheild on the valve cover (6mm hex bit, 8 screws) -Now is a good time to clean all the accumulated gunk off the top of the engine while everything is still closed up. -Remove the two 10mm bolts securing the oil separator to the top of the engine (over #5 injector) and carefully remove the separator and breather tube. (You might want to stick a bit of rag into the open tube ends on the engine) -Remove the T-40 head manifold bolts (14 places, I think). There is one hiding under the lifting eye back by #5 or #6. -Gently lift the manifold free, disconnecting the vacuum control line and the boost pressure sensing line from the valve. Be cautious of the little plastic clamp on the boost line. You may want to fill the manifold with some cleaner to let it soak while you work -Carefully slide the intake manifold gasket out (to the front of the engine), noting its orientation. -Stuff CLEAN lint-free rags into each intake ports and the intercooler pipe to keep crud out of them. -Clean off the top of the injection pump (carb cleaner, etc). -Make a diagram of where the injection lines go, and more importantly, how the various clips attach to them. Take note of how the first two lines run around the low pressure fuel and injection bypass hoses. -Remove all of the clips from the injection lines. 80% or more will likely break. -Loosen the injection line nuts and remove the injection lines. The special crowsfoot (13mm) above really makes it much easier on the engine side. -Remove the three T-30 screws that secure the delivery valve lock rings to the injection pump. Take note of how the lock rings are laying on the pump. -Remove all of the lock rings. -Clean the top of the IP again--pay special attention to around the delivery valves. *** -Using the special spline socket, loosen the first delivery valve holder. Unscrew it by hand and SLOWLY lift the valve holder, being careful to not let the spring get lost/drop out or pull the valve from inside the pump. -Use the (CLEAN) pick to remove the copper seal ring from the top of the assembly that was under the valve holder. -Carefully lower a new copper seal ring onto the assembly. Try to keep the ring and assembly more or less centered within the bore -Remove the O-ring from the outside of the valve holder. Use carb cleaner or
Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
Vaseline or silicone grease works better. Vaseline is actually the specified material -- it IS hydrocarbon wax, after all. Don't use anything but pure stuff, no scents or etc. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Sulfur good?
From this week's Redmond Report: QUOTE* http://www.1105newsletters.com/t.do?id=4012939:1060387Ex-Microsoft CTO vs. Global Warming Nathan Myhrvold is a major-league brain. Decades ago, Microsoft bought Myhrvold's company Dynamical Systems not just for its multitasking technology, but more for the pure brainpower of Nathan and his brother Cameron. Nathan eventually founded Microsoft Research, became chief technology officer at Microsoft, and then left Microsoft a decade ago to pursue private hobbies and investments. All this is to give credibility to Myhrvold's http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2511875/nathan_myhrvolds_anti_global_warming.html?cat=15idea to fight global warming. Under the plan, balloons will lift into the stratosphere a huge hose through which sulfur is pumped -- sulfur that blocks the sun and lowers temperatures. And you could pump more or less sulfur depending on temperature trends. Unlike the trillions involved in worldwide cooling efforts, Myhvrold's scheme only costs a quarter of a billion dollars. Bill Gates could probably nab that with a few swipes of his ATM card. END QUOTE* The EPA and greenies have painted sulfur as evil, and justification for removing all Diesels form the world. Now we have a greenie saying that only sulfur can save us. In agriculture, the removal of SOx from smokestacks and exhaust pipes has presented a new problem. Where in the past, N, P and K were the components of fertilizer, now fields are for the first time ever showing a shortage of sulfur. New fertilizer blends will show N, P, K, and S. This is to replace the sulfur that used to settle out from the air. I say thumb your no se at the gummit and their greenies and keep on driving old Diesels. With most of the country freezing their a** off right now, isn't it time to kill albore's global warming BS once and for all? Hoisting a hose to spew sulfur in the air! What a dork! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sulfur good?
good...I'll send a bill for all the ramdom costs of things I've had to repair over the years do to the lost lubricity from have low sulfer diesel. Bob R On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 8:48 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: From this week's Redmond Report: QUOTE* http://www.1105newsletters.com/t.do?id=4012939:1060387Ex-Microsoft CTO vs. Global Warming Nathan Myhrvold is a major-league brain. Decades ago, Microsoft bought Myhrvold's company Dynamical Systems not just for its multitasking technology, but more for the pure brainpower of Nathan and his brother Cameron. Nathan eventually founded Microsoft Research, became chief technology officer at Microsoft, and then left Microsoft a decade ago to pursue private hobbies and investments. All this is to give credibility to Myhrvold's http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2511875/nathan_myhrvolds_anti_global_warming.html?cat=15idea to fight global warming. Under the plan, balloons will lift into the stratosphere a huge hose through which sulfur is pumped -- sulfur that blocks the sun and lowers temperatures. And you could pump more or less sulfur depending on temperature trends. Unlike the trillions involved in worldwide cooling efforts, Myhvrold's scheme only costs a quarter of a billion dollars. Bill Gates could probably nab that with a few swipes of his ATM card. END QUOTE* The EPA and greenies have painted sulfur as evil, and justification for removing all Diesels form the world. Now we have a greenie saying that only sulfur can save us. In agriculture, the removal of SOx from smokestacks and exhaust pipes has presented a new problem. Where in the past, N, P and K were the components of fertilizer, now fields are for the first time ever showing a shortage of sulfur. New fertilizer blends will show N, P, K, and S. This is to replace the sulfur that used to settle out from the air. I say thumb your no se at the gummit and their greenies and keep on driving old Diesels. With most of the country freezing their a** off right now, isn't it time to kill albore's global warming BS once and for all? Hoisting a hose to spew sulfur in the air! What a dork! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] tiger woods as i'd .like to remember him
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Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
Thx for that Harry - You wrote I used the hold down straps as a wrench to do the torque. You didn't use a torque wrench? Don't understand --- LarryT OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: harry watkins harry...@bellsouth.net Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 10:44 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job I use brake parts cleaner and air to blow it dry. To find the leakers, sprinkle some baby powder around the DVs and watch. I've done two 603s without problems and on the first one, I used the hold down straps as a wrench to do the torque. I did however follow the procedures with care. Harry - Original Message - From: LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job Thx for the instructions! Yes, I'd like the full content. What do you use to wash things off with as you work? Kero / Diesel? Thanks - LarryT 91 300D 602-962 OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 8:20 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job Doing one at a time is excess work. I have done 4 OM603s with good results by following the instructions. As with all injector work, cleanliness is the primary concern. After the deck is cleaned, and you start to remove the DVs, I back them out until the oring starts to show, then wash the DV and deck again. When the oring is leaking, it is crumbling. Lots of little black stuff is released and needs to be washed off. As you back out the DV, keep washing and blowing off the DV and deck. I take off and replace one DV at a time, up to the final torque. After the last DV is done, then replace the lines, bleed the air and tighten down the line at the injector. I also replace the DV springs while I am in there. It is just a precaution, and quite inexpensive. Don't replace only the leaking orings. You will be right back doing the job again. Taking off the intake manifold does make the job easier, but is not necessary. If I ever have need to remove the intake manifold, I change the orings, unless I know the orings are under 2 years old. I also order 8 orings, 8 copper seals and 6 springs to do the job. Sometimes it is necessary to pull one back out, and that usually results in a cut oring, and the copper seal should also be replaced. Having spares cuts a week off the duration of the job. (Waiting for more orings to be delivered) IF you don't have it, I will email the instructions I have accumulated from this list over time. You need to be clean and be careful, but it is not that hard of a job, and I think the dangers are overstated, unless you try to use air tools to install the delivery valves. Max wrote Maybe you should only do the leaking DV's in order to reduce the possibility of a problem? That's a good idea. I'll have to clean things really good to determine which is the primary culprit/s. Usually the engine is pretty clean but it's been so cold that I haven't been able to rinse it off. At the moment there's a thin film of diesel around all 5 DV hold down clamps. BTW, what kind of noise should I be listening for? I wonder how the factory/dealer does them to make sure they do it right the first time (also know as DIRTFT) ? I'm sure the factory uses a special tool to screw all 5 or 6 in at once, but if I'm very careful with my torque wrench I should be able to duplicate the torque on each DV pretty precisely, I think. I suspect the 3 stage procedure for torqueing is to insure accuracy so there must have been problems in the past. Is the metal on the IP where the DV's are installed perhaps soft which could lead to inaccurate settings? Just curious --- Thx for the suggestion - - LarryT 91 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
What work are you referring to? (I know, DVs) but what part of the job? To lube the o-rings before installation? Thx - LarryT OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 10:47 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job Vaseline or silicone grease works better. Vaseline is actually the specified material -- it IS hydrocarbon wax, after all. Don't use anything but pure stuff, no scents or etc. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Mathieu's back!
Alles. I have not been in contact with JohnnyB in a year or two. As I understand it, he is very busy going around to all the hot spots and doing his work, only to blast off to another national difficulty. What is the reward for a job well done? Another job! He lives in Lake George NY and the last email addy that I have is:- rattailb...@earthlink.net http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/compose?To=rattailbaby%40earthlink.net HTH Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred On 1/8/2010 10:22 PM, Mountain Man wrote: Fred wrote: Mathieu, et al. Johnny B does assessment work for FEMA Are you in contact with JohnnyB these days? Tell him to drop in here at okiebenz again, someday. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sulfur good?
The AlGore crowd were very deceptive in their global warming media blitz. It's one of those crisis created to generate fear and dependence on the govt. The thing with a crisis is it cries for a immediate response. No time for debate (that might let the truth come out), only reaction is a must act *right* now to stop it - just let the govt spend more money - no debate, just send money. 10 years ago Ted Danson was saying we only have 10 years to save the oceans. Bt... wrong. Last I looked they're still there and have changed little if at all. The GW alarmist used small pieces of graphs to show what they call a increase in temp, when in reality when the whole graph is shown, the whole picture become clear - we're in a cooler than typical situation and the temp is approaching normal. Actually using normal when talking about temperature is unfair as there is no such thing. If we hadn't had global warming over the last 40,000 years there's still be glaciers in Kansas. The temp of the earth is constantly changing. The argument is whether people cause it. As far as the CO2 - there was a spike in CO2 during the 1st quarter of the 20th century - yet that's before the period of massive growth in industrialized countries.Ever seen A Gore debate his position? Nope, and you never will - he knows it's a house of cards that's indefensible. Besides, we have real crisis' to fight. But, to keep more off topic stuff out, I'll stop now. LarryT OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 10:48 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Sulfur good? From this week's Redmond Report: QUOTE* http://www.1105newsletters.com/t.do?id=4012939:1060387Ex-Microsoft CTO vs. Global Warming Nathan Myhrvold is a major-league brain. Decades ago, Microsoft bought Myhrvold's company Dynamical Systems not just for its multitasking technology, but more for the pure brainpower of Nathan and his brother Cameron. Nathan eventually founded Microsoft Research, became chief technology officer at Microsoft, and then left Microsoft a decade ago to pursue private hobbies and investments. All this is to give credibility to Myhrvold's http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2511875/nathan_myhrvolds_anti_global_warming.html?cat=15idea to fight global warming. Under the plan, balloons will lift into the stratosphere a huge hose through which sulfur is pumped -- sulfur that blocks the sun and lowers temperatures. And you could pump more or less sulfur depending on temperature trends. Unlike the trillions involved in worldwide cooling efforts, Myhvrold's scheme only costs a quarter of a billion dollars. Bill Gates could probably nab that with a few swipes of his ATM card. END QUOTE* The EPA and greenies have painted sulfur as evil, and justification for removing all Diesels form the world. Now we have a greenie saying that only sulfur can save us. In agriculture, the removal of SOx from smokestacks and exhaust pipes has presented a new problem. Where in the past, N, P and K were the components of fertilizer, now fields are for the first time ever showing a shortage of sulfur. New fertilizer blends will show N, P, K, and S. This is to replace the sulfur that used to settle out from the air. I say thumb your no se at the gummit and their greenies and keep on driving old Diesels. With most of the country freezing their a** off right now, isn't it time to kill albore's global warming BS once and for all? Hoisting a hose to spew sulfur in the air! What a dork! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sulfur good?
Actually, most of the northern hemisphere is now freezing their butt off. -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dieselhead Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 10:49 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Sulfur good? From this week's Redmond Report: QUOTE* http://www.1105newsletters.com/t.do?id=4012939:1060387Ex-Microsoft CTO vs. Global Warming Nathan Myhrvold is a major-league brain. Decades ago, Microsoft bought Myhrvold's company Dynamical Systems not just for its multitasking technology, but more for the pure brainpower of Nathan and his brother Cameron. Nathan eventually founded Microsoft Research, became chief technology officer at Microsoft, and then left Microsoft a decade ago to pursue private hobbies and investments. All this is to give credibility to Myhrvold's http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2511875/nathan_myhrvolds_anti_glob al_warming.html?cat=15idea to fight global warming. Under the plan, balloons will lift into the stratosphere a huge hose through which sulfur is pumped -- sulfur that blocks the sun and lowers temperatures. And you could pump more or less sulfur depending on temperature trends. Unlike the trillions involved in worldwide cooling efforts, Myhvrold's scheme only costs a quarter of a billion dollars. Bill Gates could probably nab that with a few swipes of his ATM card. END QUOTE* The EPA and greenies have painted sulfur as evil, and justification for removing all Diesels form the world. Now we have a greenie saying that only sulfur can save us. In agriculture, the removal of SOx from smokestacks and exhaust pipes has presented a new problem. Where in the past, N, P and K were the components of fertilizer, now fields are for the first time ever showing a shortage of sulfur. New fertilizer blends will show N, P, K, and S. This is to replace the sulfur that used to settle out from the air. I say thumb your no se at the gummit and their greenies and keep on driving old Diesels. With most of the country freezing their a** off right now, isn't it time to kill albore's global warming BS once and for all? Hoisting a hose to spew sulfur in the air! What a dork! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Economics (was Sulfur good?)
What do other listers think about the current US economic posture? Some pundits, like Peter Schiff, claim we are in deep doo-doo because we went into hock up to our collective necks while we have simultaneously cut way back most wealth (things of value) producing activity. Schiff predicts very hard times ahead for the US dollar and all those that depend on it. I would be interested in reasoned, objective opinions from the diverse folks on this list on this subject. Scott Ritchey ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Economics (was Sulfur good?)
i don't see it working out. we owe more money than we can ever dream of paying back. anytime the chinese decide to cut us off, we are dead. the only thing that saves us is that the USA tanking would so hurt china that they will pay a massive price to avoid it. but how can the endless trillions spent be paid back in any way other than currency devaluation? in the end, it's a house of cards, no? On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: What do other listers think about the current US economic posture? Some pundits, like Peter Schiff, claim we are in deep doo-doo because we went into hock up to our collective necks while we have simultaneously cut way back most wealth (things of value) producing activity. Schiff predicts very hard times ahead for the US dollar and all those that depend on it. I would be interested in reasoned, objective opinions from the diverse folks on this list on this subject. Scott Ritchey ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- save 5% on our already low, low prices. use coupon code DAVE at checkout. www. BuyEUROparts.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
Brake parts cleaner in the aerosol can -- What do you use to wash things off with as you work? Kero / Diesel? Thanks - LarryT 91 300D 602-962 -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
I use Diesel Purge to lubricate the o-rings. On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote: Vaseline or silicone grease works better. Vaseline is actually the specified material -- it IS hydrocarbon wax, after all. Don't use anything but pure stuff, no scents or etc. Peter -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
The lockdown straps are splined. You stack two on a DV and leave the ends facing out, their thickness is more than a 1/4. I then used either a 17mm or 11/16 crowsfoot with a long extension going straight up and past the intake. You have to connect the torque wrench 90 degrees from the strap ends, otherwise you would extend the length of the wrench and the torque would be off. I had the DVs snug so the straps did not have much travel before torque was achieved. Harry . - Original Message - From: LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job Thx for that Harry - You wrote I used the hold down straps as a wrench to do the torque. You didn't use a torque wrench? Don't understand --- LarryT OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: harry watkins harry...@bellsouth.net Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 10:44 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job I use brake parts cleaner and air to blow it dry. To find the leakers, sprinkle some baby powder around the DVs and watch. I've done two 603s without problems and on the first one, I used the hold down straps as a wrench to do the torque. I did however follow the procedures with care. Harry - Original Message - From: LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job Thx for the instructions! Yes, I'd like the full content. What do you use to wash things off with as you work? Kero / Diesel? Thanks - LarryT 91 300D 602-962 OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 8:20 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job Doing one at a time is excess work. I have done 4 OM603s with good results by following the instructions. As with all injector work, cleanliness is the primary concern. After the deck is cleaned, and you start to remove the DVs, I back them out until the oring starts to show, then wash the DV and deck again. When the oring is leaking, it is crumbling. Lots of little black stuff is released and needs to be washed off. As you back out the DV, keep washing and blowing off the DV and deck. I take off and replace one DV at a time, up to the final torque. After the last DV is done, then replace the lines, bleed the air and tighten down the line at the injector. I also replace the DV springs while I am in there. It is just a precaution, and quite inexpensive. Don't replace only the leaking orings. You will be right back doing the job again. Taking off the intake manifold does make the job easier, but is not necessary. If I ever have need to remove the intake manifold, I change the orings, unless I know the orings are under 2 years old. I also order 8 orings, 8 copper seals and 6 springs to do the job. Sometimes it is necessary to pull one back out, and that usually results in a cut oring, and the copper seal should also be replaced. Having spares cuts a week off the duration of the job. (Waiting for more orings to be delivered) IF you don't have it, I will email the instructions I have accumulated from this list over time. You need to be clean and be careful, but it is not that hard of a job, and I think the dangers are overstated, unless you try to use air tools to install the delivery valves. Max wrote Maybe you should only do the leaking DV's in order to reduce the possibility of a problem? That's a good idea. I'll have to clean things really good to determine which is the primary culprit/s. Usually the engine is pretty clean but it's been so cold that I haven't been able to rinse it off. At the moment there's a thin film of diesel around all 5 DV hold down clamps. BTW, what kind of noise should I be listening for? I wonder how the factory/dealer does them to make sure they do it right the first time (also know as DIRTFT) ? I'm sure the factory uses a special tool to screw all 5 or 6 in at once, but if I'm very careful with my torque wrench I should be able to duplicate the torque on each DV pretty precisely, I think. I suspect the 3 stage procedure for torqueing is to insure accuracy so there must have been problems in the past. Is the metal on the IP where the DV's are installed perhaps soft which could lead to inaccurate settings? Just curious --- Thx for the suggestion - - LarryT 91 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives
Re: [MBZ] Sulfur good?
Here's what the Founder of the Weather Channel has to say about the AlBore The Sky is Falling Crowd. http://www.kusi.com/home/78477082.html?video=popt=a http://www.kusi.com/home/78477082.html?video=popt=a LarryT wrote: The AlGore crowd were very deceptive in their global warming media blitz. It's one of those crisis created to generate fear and dependence on the govt. The thing with a crisis is it cries for a immediate response. No time for debate (that might let the truth come out), only reaction is a must act *right* now to stop it - just let the govt spend more money - no debate, just send money. 10 years ago Ted Danson was saying we only have 10 years to save the oceans. Bt... wrong. Last I looked they're still there and have changed little if at all. The GW alarmist used small pieces of graphs to show what they call a increase in temp, when in reality when the whole graph is shown, the whole picture become clear - we're in a cooler than typical situation and the temp is approaching normal. Actually using normal when talking about temperature is unfair as there is no such thing. If we hadn't had global warming over the last 40,000 years there's still be glaciers in Kansas. The temp of the earth is constantly changing. The argument is whether people cause it. As far as the CO2 - there was a spike in CO2 during the 1st quarter of the 20th century - yet that's before the period of massive growth in industrialized countries.Ever seen A Gore debate his position? Nope, and you never will - he knows it's a house of cards that's indefensible. Besides, we have real crisis' to fight. But, to keep more off topic stuff out, I'll stop now. LarryT OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 10:48 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Sulfur good? From this week's Redmond Report: QUOTE* http://www.1105newsletters.com/t.do?id=4012939:1060387Ex-Microsoft CTO vs. Global Warming Nathan Myhrvold is a major-league brain. Decades ago, Microsoft bought Myhrvold's company Dynamical Systems not just for its multitasking technology, but more for the pure brainpower of Nathan and his brother Cameron. Nathan eventually founded Microsoft Research, became chief technology officer at Microsoft, and then left Microsoft a decade ago to pursue private hobbies and investments. All this is to give credibility to Myhrvold's http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2511875/nathan_myhrvolds_anti_global_warming.html?cat=15idea to fight global warming. Under the plan, balloons will lift into the stratosphere a huge hose through which sulfur is pumped -- sulfur that blocks the sun and lowers temperatures. And you could pump more or less sulfur depending on temperature trends. Unlike the trillions involved in worldwide cooling efforts, Myhvrold's scheme only costs a quarter of a billion dollars. Bill Gates could probably nab that with a few swipes of his ATM card. END QUOTE* The EPA and greenies have painted sulfur as evil, and justification for removing all Diesels form the world. Now we have a greenie saying that only sulfur can save us. In agriculture, the removal of SOx from smokestacks and exhaust pipes has presented a new problem. Where in the past, N, P and K were the components of fertilizer, now fields are for the first time ever showing a shortage of sulfur. New fertilizer blends will show N, P, K, and S. This is to replace the sulfur that used to settle out from the air. I say thumb your no se at the gummit and their greenies and keep on driving old Diesels. With most of the country freezing their a** off right now, isn't it time to kill albore's global warming BS once and for all? Hoisting a hose to spew sulfur in the air! What a dork! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT MacBook teardown
So I just finished tearing apart the girl child's MacBook that the cat knocked a glass of water over into. I followed the instructions from ifixit, took out the main logic board which looked fine. The guy at the apple store suggested the power input board might be kaput so I took that out too, and lo, there was all the crap under it and the board was completely nasty, oxidized, schmutzed-up. You could see where the liquid was, probably shorted in there or something. I'll clean it all out before reassembling. They had replacements for $90 so ordered one, will see if that makes it go again. Whole teardown was like 2hr, the instructions are extremely good, and worth paying them for the part. Lots of extremely fiddly little bits in there, I might need to get some tiny fingers to put it back together though. Great web site. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] MB Window Weatherstripping
The weatherstrip/deal on the outside of the windows on the son's '84 190Ds (two of them) are rotted, rusted, etc. MB wants $57 ea. for these strips. Shouldn't there be generic parts that rebuilders use to replace these? Where might one find such? Anyone BTDT? -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Economics (was Sulfur good?)
This has been my reasoned opinion for at least two decades. The only activity that adds real value is manufacturing -- all the rest rides on top. Since we have chosen to eliminate manufacturing, we have eliminated economic activity, and we are going to end up a third world country pretty soon if we don't get it back. Financial sector profits are extremely inflationary if they represent more than a few percent of overall economic activity. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [Banned] OT - Who Knows Furnaces?
I would like to know the advantage of variable speed blowers. I am always looking at ways to save money on heating and cooling, is this a simple part that can be swapped out? LWB250 wrote: Despite my house having been custom built, there are some weird things about it that would lead one to believe corners were cut to save $$$ or increase the builder's profit. One of these anomalies is the 80% efficient furnace (the house was built in 2003). I have a local HVAC guy that is working with me to replace the furnace, as I don't care to have $350/month gas bills in the coldest part of the winter. Right now he has presented me with about 4 choices, ranging from 95% efficient furnaces with regular blowers up to 98% efficient furnaces with variable speed blowers. I am considering the mid-range models that are 95% efficient with variable speed blowers, as I have issues with stratification in the house and am told the variable speed blower will help with this. I would be interested in anyone's input if they have any direct experience with such furnaces or know someone who does Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/banned_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] any of you guys dealt with this outfit btw?
hmmm, thats strange. Allan Streib wrote: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com writes: http://www.mercedespartscenter.com/partlocator/index.cfm?siteid=215720 A little too glossy IMHO. In fact looks a lot like that site that now occupies buymbparts.com. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
Im going to save that to put up on okiebenz if I ever get around to doing the article section. Dieselhead wrote: Rusty has the socket. I have a spare I'd sell or loan.The special socket, a T30 torx socket, and a torque wrench are all the special tools you really need. Order at least one extra oring and copper seal. clean everything in the area very thoroughly before starting. It only takes a speck of grit or even lint to mess up an injector. For cleaning: Pressure wash first is good. Then Diesel or #1 fuel with a stiff brush and blow off with compressed air. The first instructions apply to OM606. For OM 601/602/603, start at clean the top of the injector pump You may or may not want to remove the intake manifold. I have done it both ways. See notes at the end of writeup. Writeup is from John Reames, with notes added by Marshall and by me. Applies to OM606 W210.025/OM606.962 delivery valves. Most should apply to OM603. A few weeks ago I was asking about this job... I finished it, and it wasn't that bad (I'm kicking myself for not taking photos though!) It took me less than four hours for this job and that included running out to get the T-40. The 4 hours that the labor guide quotes is generous, certainly... If anyone has any thoughts/comments on this, lemme know. Parts: 7x 603 078 01 41 (Injection pipe clips) 7x 601 078 26 41 (Injection pipe shims--trim them on one side) 2x 601 078 26 41 (Injection pipe clips) 1x 606 141 01 80 (Intake manifold gasket OM 606 only, your gasket may vary) 6x 017 997 41 48 (Bosch 1-460-210-321 O-ring, you may want spares) 6x 004 997 45 40 (Bosch 1-410-105-021 Copper seal washer) (These are the same rings as used on a 602 or 603 engine.) Optional: 6x 001 074 34 93 Delivery valve spring. Tools: -8mm socket or nutrunner -10mm socket -6mm hex bit socket -T-30 socket -T-40 socket -13mm *special* crowsfoot 000 589 77 03 00 -32/33 spline *special* socket 617 589 01 09 00 -a dental pick or similar to aid in removal of seal rings and washers -some sort of zero residue aerosol cleaner (carb cleaner or electronics cleaner) -Torque wrenches capable of 10Nm - 35Nm -A box of rags (like the ones they sell at home depot, Scott Brand) misc extensions and ratchets and adapters (3/8-1/2 bushing, 3/8-1/4 reducer) -a can of clean oil (I used clear fine machine oil) or diesel fuel Instructions: -The first thing you want to do is jack the car up and remove at least the middle underpan (8mm hex head 4 places) -You will need to remove the bolt fastening the charge air cooler pipe to the EGR valve on the bottom of the intake manifold (Mine was missing!) as well as the clamp holding the EGR tube to the manifold/EGR valve (10mm bolt). -Put the car back down on the ground and remove the plastic oversheild on the valve cover (6mm hex bit, 8 screws) -Now is a good time to clean all the accumulated gunk off the top of the engine while everything is still closed up. -Remove the two 10mm bolts securing the oil separator to the top of the engine (over #5 injector) and carefully remove the separator and breather tube. (You might want to stick a bit of rag into the open tube ends on the engine) -Remove the T-40 head manifold bolts (14 places, I think). There is one hiding under the lifting eye back by #5 or #6. -Gently lift the manifold free, disconnecting the vacuum control line and the boost pressure sensing line from the valve. Be cautious of the little plastic clamp on the boost line. You may want to fill the manifold with some cleaner to let it soak while you work -Carefully slide the intake manifold gasket out (to the front of the engine), noting its orientation. -Stuff CLEAN lint-free rags into each intake ports and the intercooler pipe to keep crud out of them. -Clean off the top of the injection pump (carb cleaner, etc). -Make a diagram of where the injection lines go, and more importantly, how the various clips attach to them. Take note of how the first two lines run around the low pressure fuel and injection bypass hoses. -Remove all of the clips from the injection lines. 80% or more will likely break. -Loosen the injection line nuts and remove the injection lines. The special crowsfoot (13mm) above really makes it much easier on the engine side. -Remove the three T-30 screws that secure the delivery valve lock rings to the injection pump. Take note of how the lock rings are laying on the pump. -Remove all of the lock rings. -Clean the top of the IP again--pay special attention to around the delivery valves. *** -Using the special spline socket, loosen the first delivery valve holder. Unscrew it by hand and SLOWLY lift the valve holder, being careful to not let the spring get lost/drop out or pull the valve from inside the pump. -Use the (CLEAN) pick to remove the copper seal ring from the top of the assembly that was under the valve holder. -Carefully lower a new copper seal ring onto the assembly. Try to keep the ring
Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 15:21:36 -0600 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Im going to save that to put up on okiebenz if I ever get around to doing the article section. So you will include it with the information and pictures I sent? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
IF you sent me info and pictures I may or may not have it around somewhere. I need to start digging thru my stuff and getting it up there. Craig McCluskey wrote: On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 15:21:36 -0600 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Im going to save that to put up on okiebenz if I ever get around to doing the article section. So you will include it with the information and pictures I sent? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Mathieu's back!
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Mathieu J. Cama c...@oldworldauto.com wrote: On Jan 8, 2010, at 6:19 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: what all cars did you lose in the flood? Three... and it hurts to talk about it. I'll just say that the good ones are what are usually kept at home. Oh no... not the Euro W126 with Hydramat? I will cherish mine that much more now. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] how to check block heater
How do you check to see if a block heater is any good? Put a volt meter on it and check resistance? Im not sure the block heater in my Suburban is working. I know I have some dead glow plugs. Thing would not start today, almost did though. I plugged it in for a while and it did not seem to do anything. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Who Knows Furnaces?
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: We have a Carrier 95% furnace and it's a major pain. Gets into cycles where it won't want to ignite, then it goes into a 4-hour lockout mode before it will try again unless you cycle the power off and on to reset the computer. There are more sensors and control devices on the high-efficency furnaces, which are more things to go wrong. For what it's worth (probably not much), I can counter Allan's anecdotal evidence with some of my own: the last place I lived in had a Carrier 95% computer-controlled furnace which functioned perfectly for 7 years (and was still working fine when I sold the house). Only service was a tune-up every fall at the start of the season (provided free by the installer), which seemed to consist mostly of the tech hooking up an LED to some contacts on the circuit board inside the machine and counting the flashes, kind of like pulling trouble codes on a pre-OBDII car. The furnace certainly saved on the bills compared to the 1960s model that was there when we bought the house, and it did seem to help with stratification. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 15:32:02 -0600 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: IF you sent me info and pictures I may or may not have it around somewhere. I need to start digging thru my stuff and getting it up there. I sent you the following ZIP files of pictures: 940K Dec 19 2005 Alternator.zip 1.6M Dec 19 2005 Axle.shaft.change.zip 4.8M Dec 19 2005 Dashboard.zip 1.2M Dec 19 2005 Fuel.tank+sender.zip 5.1M Dec 19 2005 Hirschmann.Antenna.zip 1.5M Dec 19 2005 Hood.Hinges.zip 6.3M Dec 20 2005 Injection.Pump+Injectors.1.zip 4.1M Dec 20 2005 Injection.Pump+Injectors.2.zip 261K Dec 3 2005 Vacuum.system.zip 1.1M Dec 19 2005 W123.Seat.zip If you want, I can send them again. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] how to check block heater
On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 15:48:47 -0600 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: How do you check to see if a block heater is any good? Put a volt meter on it and check resistance? Yup, that's how you do it (actually, with an ohmmeter, but they are usually built into voltmeters). Check it also at the far end of the extension cord to check that, too. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT MacBook teardown
Yeah, I've used them before, too. Got a Powerbook G4 on the way that needs a new screen, so I'll be using them again. I wish more of them were like the Pismo, though -- most of what you needed to change was easy -- you could change the screen without removing the bottom cover, and a new hard drive was a 15 min job, unlike the later ones where you have to pretty much completely disassemble it to unhook the blasted airport antenna! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Questions from my neighbor
My next-door neighbor has a Volkswagen TDI and is planning on moving to California in a couple of years to join his sons in the San Francisco Bay area. What is the feasiblity of him registering and using his TDI there? On another front, he wonders how 4 to 5-year old Mercedes Kompressor cars are. Do they have a lot of mechanical problems and require a lot of repairs? BTW, are the Kompressors turbo- or supercharged? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Questions from my neighbor
As long as it has 7500 miles or more on it, it won't be a problem. Can't help you with the kompressor question, though. On Sat, Jan 09, 2010 at 03:47:58PM -0700, Craig McCluskey wrote: My next-door neighbor has a Volkswagen TDI and is planning on moving to California in a couple of years to join his sons in the San Francisco Bay area. What is the feasiblity of him registering and using his TDI there? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Questions from my neighbor
Supercharged. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] how to check block heater
What should the resistance reading be? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 9, 2010, at 4:56 PM, Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 15:48:47 -0600 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: How do you check to see if a block heater is any good? Put a volt meter on it and check resistance? Yup, that's how you do it (actually, with an ohmmeter, but they are usually built into voltmeters). Check it also at the far end of the extension cord to check that, too. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] how to check block heater
On Sat, 9 Jan 2010 14:58:12 -0800 (PST) Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: What should the resistance reading be? It's a 400 W heater that runs on 120 VAC. Since Power = Current x Voltage (P = I E), P 400 I = --- = - = 3.33 A E 120 From Ohm's Law, E 120 E = I R = R = --- = -- = 36 ohms I 3.33 You can also combine the formula for power and Ohm's Law algebraically before substituting in numbers. You end up with, 2 E 120 * 120 R = - = --- = 36 ohms P 400 Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] any of you guys dealt with this outfit btw?
That may be so but do they know what they are talking about, looked up suspension parts for my 89TE and they came up with pictures of stuff for a 123. Hendrik who re-bushed the TE front and replaced the front flex disc Gary Hurst wrote: they seem to be selling genuine at wholesale to the public. http://www.mercedespartscenter.com/partlocator/index.cfm?siteid=215720 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] how to check block heater
How do you check to see if a block heater is any good? Put a volt meter on it and check resistance? Pretty good way. The _best_ way is to plug it into a wattmeter, like the ubiquitous (and inexpensive) Kill-A-Watt. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] how to check block heater
Why wouldn't you just plug it in and after about 30 minutes put your hand on the side of the engine to see if it's warm? If you have power to the plug then the heater is probably open. A quick test with an ohmmeter or test light would reveal the condition Dan --- On Sat, 1/9/10, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] how to check block heater To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 7:26 PM How do you check to see if a block heater is any good? Put a volt meter on it and check resistance? Pretty good way. The _best_ way is to plug it into a wattmeter, like the ubiquitous (and inexpensive) Kill-A-Watt. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Economics (was Sulfur good?)
I agree, with the exception that Manufacturing, agriculture, mining, fisheries, and forest products are all productive. Anything that takes some raw material and creates something of value is productive. Printing something on paper and shuffling paper is not productive. This has been my reasoned opinion for at least two decades. The only activity that adds real value is manufacturing -- all the rest rides on top. Since we have chosen to eliminate manufacturing, we have eliminated economic activity, and we are going to end up a third world country pretty soon if we don't get it back. Financial sector profits are extremely inflationary if they represent more than a few percent of overall economic activity. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Who Knows Furnaces?
I can recall a salesman that was selling some flue fittings about 25 years ago. His argument had some thoughts about using outside air for combustion so that there is a positive pressure formed inside the house, making the house warmer at the leak points at windows and doors. The device he was selling was a flue tee with a damper in it that slowed the flue gas exit speed so that your flue did not heat up excessively and produce a huge draw of air as the hot air rises up the flue. Slow the flue gas temp via restrictor bypass flow and the thing does not become a roman candle - something like that. It seemed logical. I have no idea if it was worth the dollars. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] how to check block heater
Just do what I do -- plug it in and then see if the car starts or not? (By the way, mine started today w/ two 45 second pre-glows at +3F today. And some of you said my block heater was not working! I don't quite agree with the folks who just want to listen to the gurgle. If it is around freezing, then the block heater might be able to do that. I've heard it myself. My own experience (with a working block heater) is that if the temps are really low, zero or even lower, the block heater is working hard to keep up with the ambient temps, and you don't get the gurgle. 700 watts of heat will behave differently at 35F and -10F. It will still throw off heat but has a bit more of a challenge at staying ahead of the cold curve. On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 6:26 PM, LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Why wouldn't you just plug it in and after about 30 minutes put your hand on the side of the engine to see if it's warm? If you have power to the plug then the heater is probably open. A quick test with an ohmmeter or test light would reveal the condition Dan --- On Sat, 1/9/10, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] how to check block heater To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 7:26 PM How do you check to see if a block heater is any good? Put a volt meter on it and check resistance? Pretty good way. The _best_ way is to plug it into a wattmeter, like the ubiquitous (and inexpensive) Kill-A-Watt. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- You are what you are now because you where then. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Economics (was Sulfur good?)
If China ever decides to stop buying our debt - like most others already have - we'll be in the crapper. Does anyone like having China dictate loan terms to us? As the govt keeps spending more and more trillions, *someone* will *have* to buy our debt. Either that or crank up the printing presses and print more paper money. True, that will force inflation up - no more 5% home loans. And with the spending getting larger with every speech there's no end in sight. It may seem like the govt has unlimited resources but in the end they're just like any of our families finances. Spend too much and you'll reach a point that bills will go unpaid (which is pretty unpopular) and people who loaned us money for cars and houses will come looking for money or the stuff their money bought. At this point obama has asked for a debt ceiling of $13 trillion (at last count). BTW, Bush increased the US Debt by $3.9 trill in 8 years (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_by_U.S._presidential_terms). Obama is expected to double Bush's debt. (http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/24/bush-deficit-vs-obama-deficit-in-pictures/) Does anyone who thinks that's financially prudent? But I guess when someone is elected who has zero experience producing anything tangible, running a business, meeting a payroll, - even running a city or state - zero experience, that's to be expected. Something's wrong with this picture - and the US population is suffering because of that shortsightedness. The problem I see is the govt taking more and more power over the population. If obamacare passes, the govt will have power over virtually every aspect of our lives. Like, Say, that beer is pretty unhealthy - wouldn't be fair for you to practice poor habits and overload the national healthcare system. Got guns? Gee, they hurt people, they need to be controlled. Fat and calories in red meat? Start eating tofu. That car looks pretty unhealthy too - and is producing some kind of chemical we'll pay scientist to say are bad for you. Better get it off the road Unfortunately the words are there, buried in the 2000+ pages we were allowed to see. Who knows what the next one will look like - certainly not the people, not even the congresspeople who will vote on it. Once it's law we'll learn the details and they'll reassure us, Oh no, it may say that but we'd never do that. Yep, right. I wonder why we haven't been allowed to see the new bill or watch the procedure for melding the Senate and House versions? Hmmm... think its because they don't want us to learn the details or see the deals being made to buy votes? Does anyone think this administration would *not* use the same techniques to stay in office? Yep, I'm paranoid! Damn right I am! The healthcare bill will affect our financial stability also. Naturally the healthcare industry will not do well. Doctors will have their salaries capped as will medical facilities. No pre-existing conditions? Gee, if I have an accident, I'll call an insurance co and buy some then. Why pay for it month after month? Just making those evil corporate insurance vermin rich! Without a base to balance the income and payments, private insurance will go out of business forcing people to the govt plan. There will *have* to be a govt plan to cover those who see their insurance co goes belly up. What's another broken promise when it comes to the health of the US people? That's why it's important to pass *something* -- so they have a basis to add to as they introduce little bits of govt run health care in the dead of night. Cut doctors pay? Think the best and brightest will put themselves through 12 years of torture to become a doctor for minimum wage? No problem, we'll import a bunch from India and Pakistan - they'll be happy to work for $30K per year. Ya'll don't have to believe me - it will come to pass. Excuse me, I gotta go shovel some global warming from my walkway... LarryT OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 1:21 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Economics (was Sulfur good?) What do other listers think about the current US economic posture? Some pundits, like Peter Schiff, claim we are in deep doo-doo because we went into hock up to our collective necks while we have simultaneously cut way back most wealth (things of value) producing activity. Schiff predicts very hard times ahead for the US dollar and all those that depend on it. I would be interested in reasoned, objective opinions from the diverse folks on this list on this subject. Scott Ritchey ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives
Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
Thanks Harry -- I'm sure it'll make sense when I actually do it following your excellent directions - LarryT OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: harry watkins harry...@bellsouth.net Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 1:41 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job The lockdown straps are splined. You stack two on a DV and leave the ends facing out, their thickness is more than a 1/4. I then used either a 17mm or 11/16 crowsfoot with a long extension going straight up and past the intake. You have to connect the torque wrench 90 degrees from the strap ends, otherwise you would extend the length of the wrench and the torque would be off. I had the DVs snug so the straps did not have much travel before torque was achieved. Harry . - Original Message - From: LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job Thx for that Harry - You wrote I used the hold down straps as a wrench to do the torque. You didn't use a torque wrench? Don't understand --- LarryT OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: harry watkins harry...@bellsouth.net Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 10:44 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job I use brake parts cleaner and air to blow it dry. To find the leakers, sprinkle some baby powder around the DVs and watch. I've done two 603s without problems and on the first one, I used the hold down straps as a wrench to do the torque. I did however follow the procedures with care. Harry - Original Message - From: LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job Thx for the instructions! Yes, I'd like the full content. What do you use to wash things off with as you work? Kero / Diesel? Thanks - LarryT 91 300D 602-962 OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 8:20 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job Doing one at a time is excess work. I have done 4 OM603s with good results by following the instructions. As with all injector work, cleanliness is the primary concern. After the deck is cleaned, and you start to remove the DVs, I back them out until the oring starts to show, then wash the DV and deck again. When the oring is leaking, it is crumbling. Lots of little black stuff is released and needs to be washed off. As you back out the DV, keep washing and blowing off the DV and deck. I take off and replace one DV at a time, up to the final torque. After the last DV is done, then replace the lines, bleed the air and tighten down the line at the injector. I also replace the DV springs while I am in there. It is just a precaution, and quite inexpensive. Don't replace only the leaking orings. You will be right back doing the job again. Taking off the intake manifold does make the job easier, but is not necessary. If I ever have need to remove the intake manifold, I change the orings, unless I know the orings are under 2 years old. I also order 8 orings, 8 copper seals and 6 springs to do the job. Sometimes it is necessary to pull one back out, and that usually results in a cut oring, and the copper seal should also be replaced. Having spares cuts a week off the duration of the job. (Waiting for more orings to be delivered) IF you don't have it, I will email the instructions I have accumulated from this list over time. You need to be clean and be careful, but it is not that hard of a job, and I think the dangers are overstated, unless you try to use air tools to install the delivery valves. Max wrote Maybe you should only do the leaking DV's in order to reduce the possibility of a problem? That's a good idea. I'll have to clean things really good to determine which is the primary culprit/s. Usually the engine is pretty clean but it's been so cold that I haven't been able to rinse it off. At the moment there's a thin film of diesel around all 5 DV hold down clamps. BTW, what kind of noise should I be listening for? I wonder how the factory/dealer does them to make sure they do it right the first time (also know as DIRTFT) ? I'm sure the factory uses a special tool to screw all 5 or 6 in at once, but if I'm very careful with my torque wrench I should be able to duplicate the torque on each DV pretty precisely, I think. I suspect the
Re: [MBZ] Sulfur good?
LarryT wrote: The AlGore crowd were very deceptive in their global warming media blitz. It's one of those crisis created to generate fear and dependence on the govt. I think media blitz can be defined as deception. Is there anything that anyone can remember that was media blitz that was anything other than deception? Media is s dead. The other reality is that media blitz has only one solution - government programs. Whereas, if there was some reality and truth in the presentations of media, plus some liberty to pursue objectives outside the interference of monopoly government programs, we might see some local innovation and ingenuity. Then we could purpose to congregate at different places to participate in different solutions. Whereas today, solutions are monopolized and there is a monoculture of answers. Same answer in ME as in IL as in AK. Whereas, if you allow some local ingenuity to be realized by forcing out the monopoly (power company), we might begin to see local injection of real solutions that are shown for what they are - they work, or they don't work. Today, the only things that work are the things the monopoly wants to show you. Where's nikola tesla? The GW thing - I probably don't buy the argument, but I don't pay too much attention to either side. What I appreciated about the algore movie inconvenient truth is that I came away with an objective to consume less of everything. I can do that. It is my local decision without media blitz and without government quota forcing me to participate. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB Window Weatherstripping
OK Don wrote: The weatherstrip/deal on the outside of the windows on the son's '84 190Ds (two of them) are rotted, rusted, etc. MB wants $57 ea. for these strips. I believe either of the list purveyors of parts can get dealer parts at better than dealer prices. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB Window Weatherstripping
If you're talking about the window scrapers like what is on a 123 or 126 chassis, the material is sold in bulk and can be cut with a pair of aircraft shears (tin snips). Dan --- On Sat, 1/9/10, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB Window Weatherstripping To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 9:18 PM OK Don wrote: The weatherstrip/deal on the outside of the windows on the son's '84 190Ds (two of them) are rotted, rusted, etc. MB wants $57 ea. for these strips. I believe either of the list purveyors of parts can get dealer parts at better than dealer prices. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Economics (was Sulfur good?)
The unemployment numbers seem to be the buggaboo that many on the financial news speak. It seems that the numbers are not real. Think of the guys that have been told to appear at work 4 days instead of 5 days. I was told to show up to work 3 days each week. These numbers do not show in the unemployment numbers. This situation lowers the amount of pay the employer is paying, and unemployment compensation is based on your most recent wage, isn't it? btw, I will not be doing the unemployment compensation thing if that happens. Not in the cards. I think the ingenuity of the people in the nation can bring manufacturing here again. As the multinational monopoly companies need production in china to flourish, we can form manufacturing here on a local basis which might mean some real jobs, some living wages instead of inflated unrealistic wages, some production that is meaningful for life rather than all centered on one industry - houses. China production will not suffer - they have a whole nation of people to whom they can sell stuff. It might be somewhat cheating the mulinational monopoly entrepreneurs - but that might be a good thing. Monopoly in this country is a factor killing the business cycle. Chicago used to have 100 piano makers. Every small town in IN used to have a car company. This type of local manufacturing is good for locales and can thrive again, it seems. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB Window Weatherstripping
Dan wrote: If you're talking about the window scrapers like what is on a 123 or 126 chassis, the material is sold in bulk and can be cut with a pair of aircraft shears (tin snips). Not mere rubber, but rubber with metal inserts? Where? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB Window Weatherstripping
Yes, they are reinforced with a metal strip. Clips hold them on to the edge molding along the bottom edge of the window. Dan --- On Sat, 1/9/10, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB Window Weatherstripping To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 9:47 PM Dan wrote: If you're talking about the window scrapers like what is on a 123 or 126 chassis, the material is sold in bulk and can be cut with a pair of aircraft shears (tin snips). Not mere rubber, but rubber with metal inserts? Where? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB Window Weatherstripping
Dan wrote: Yes, they are reinforced with a metal strip. Clips hold them on to the edge molding along the bottom edge of the window. Where do you buy bulk? What about the upper surrounds - those are molded, no? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB Window Weatherstripping
I got the quote from Rusty - I'd hate to see what our Stealer wants for them. On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 8:18 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: OK Don wrote: The weatherstrip/deal on the outside of the windows on the son's '84 190Ds (two of them) are rotted, rusted, etc. MB wants $57 ea. for these strips. I believe either of the list purveyors of parts can get dealer parts at better than dealer prices. mao ___ -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB Window Weatherstripping
That's what I thought would be the case - where do you find it? On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 8:28 PM, LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: If you're talking about the window scrapers like what is on a 123 or 126 chassis, the material is sold in bulk and can be cut with a pair of aircraft shears (tin snips). Dan -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] any of you guys dealt with this outfit btw?
I tried looking up brake pads for my '83 300D and they had nothing. Allan On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:20 +1030, Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au wrote: That may be so but do they know what they are talking about, looked up suspension parts for my 89TE and they came up with pictures of stuff for a 123. Hendrik who re-bushed the TE front and replaced the front flex disc Gary Hurst wrote: they seem to be selling genuine at wholesale to the public. http://www.mercedespartscenter.com/partlocator/index.cfm?siteid=215720 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Economics (was Sulfur good?)
Well put Larry, to bad information like this falls on deaf ears. Ever see man on the street TV? Folks can't name the two major parties, but someone registered them to vote and they do. Harry - Original Message - From: LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Economics (was Sulfur good?) If China ever decides to stop buying our debt - like most others already have - we'll be in the crapper. Does anyone like having China dictate loan terms to us? As the govt keeps spending more and more trillions, *someone* will *have* to buy our debt. Either that or crank up the printing presses and print more paper money. True, that will force inflation up - no more 5% home loans. And with the spending getting larger with every speech there's no end in sight. It may seem like the govt has unlimited resources but in the end they're just like any of our families finances. Spend too much and you'll reach a point that bills will go unpaid (which is pretty unpopular) and people who loaned us money for cars and houses will come looking for money or the stuff their money bought. At this point obama has asked for a debt ceiling of $13 trillion (at last count). BTW, Bush increased the US Debt by $3.9 trill in 8 years (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_by_U.S._presidential_terms). Obama is expected to double Bush's debt. (http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/24/bush-deficit-vs-obama-deficit-in-pictures/) Does anyone who thinks that's financially prudent? But I guess when someone is elected who has zero experience producing anything tangible, running a business, meeting a payroll, - even running a city or state - zero experience, that's to be expected. Something's wrong with this picture - and the US population is suffering because of that shortsightedness. The problem I see is the govt taking more and more power over the population. If obamacare passes, the govt will have power over virtually every aspect of our lives. Like, Say, that beer is pretty unhealthy - wouldn't be fair for you to practice poor habits and overload the national healthcare system. Got guns? Gee, they hurt people, they need to be controlled. Fat and calories in red meat? Start eating tofu. That car looks pretty unhealthy too - and is producing some kind of chemical we'll pay scientist to say are bad for you. Better get it off the road Unfortunately the words are there, buried in the 2000+ pages we were allowed to see. Who knows what the next one will look like - certainly not the people, not even the congresspeople who will vote on it. Once it's law we'll learn the details and they'll reassure us, Oh no, it may say that but we'd never do that. Yep, right. I wonder why we haven't been allowed to see the new bill or watch the procedure for melding the Senate and House versions? Hmmm... think its because they don't want us to learn the details or see the deals being made to buy votes? Does anyone think this administration would *not* use the same techniques to stay in office? Yep, I'm paranoid! Damn right I am! The healthcare bill will affect our financial stability also. Naturally the healthcare industry will not do well. Doctors will have their salaries capped as will medical facilities. No pre-existing conditions? Gee, if I have an accident, I'll call an insurance co and buy some then. Why pay for it month after month? Just making those evil corporate insurance vermin rich! Without a base to balance the income and payments, private insurance will go out of business forcing people to the govt plan. There will *have* to be a govt plan to cover those who see their insurance co goes belly up. What's another broken promise when it comes to the health of the US people? That's why it's important to pass *something* -- so they have a basis to add to as they introduce little bits of govt run health care in the dead of night. Cut doctors pay? Think the best and brightest will put themselves through 12 years of torture to become a doctor for minimum wage? No problem, we'll import a bunch from India and Pakistan - they'll be happy to work for $30K per year. Ya'll don't have to believe me - it will come to pass. Excuse me, I gotta go shovel some global warming from my walkway... LarryT OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 1:21 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Economics (was Sulfur good?) What do other listers think about the current US economic posture? Some pundits, like Peter Schiff, claim we are in deep doo-doo because we went into hock up to our collective necks while we have simultaneously cut way back most wealth (things of
Re: [MBZ] OT: Economics (was Sulfur good?)
harry wrote: Well put Larry, to bad information like this falls on deaf ears. Ever see man on the street TV? Folks can't name the two major parties, but someone registered them to vote and they do. Only land owners with a high school graduation B+ should be allowed to vote. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Economics (was Sulfur good?)
I'd be inclined to limit voting to taxpayers who are also veterans. -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mountain Man Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 23:37 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Economics (was Sulfur good?) harry wrote: Well put Larry, to bad information like this falls on deaf ears. Ever see man on the street TV? Folks can't name the two major parties, but someone registered them to vote and they do. Only land owners with a high school graduation B+ should be allowed to vote. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] how to check block heater
Craig McCluskey wrote: On Sat, 9 Jan 2010 14:58:12 -0800 (PST) Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: What should the resistance reading be? It's a 400 W heater that runs on 120 VAC. But he said suburban. 2 E 120 * 120 R = - = --- = 36 ohms P 400 But the formula is correct. :) -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
