Re: [MBZ] Wagon parts

[Fmiser]

> Mitch Haley wrote:

> In my case, it was the round S124 style,
> and I don't believe it's rebuildable like the S123 valve
> supposedly is.

The shaft seals were leaking on my S123 valve.  I'm too cheap to
replace it so I bought a couple o-rings from NAPA, cleaned up
the insides, and it's been working for over a year and a half.
Probably 15,000 miles.  And it's often loaded heavy...

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Organization was Re: Dip Stick Tube 91 300D

[Craig McCluskey]

On Wed, 4 Aug 2010 13:29:37 -0400 Tim C  wrote:

> Which brings up an issue I have, and would love to hear some expert
> opinions.
> 
> We have an attached (basement) garage, basically part of the house.

No, the house ends at the personnel door to the garage. You don't park
(dirty) cars in the house, do you? And you certainly can't work on them
in the house, either. (I've got some round, black stains on the rug in my
"office" because I forgot one too many times.)


> I already have the bigger parts, paints, fluids in the shed, of course.

Latex paints don't like freezing; I'm not sure what oil-based paints
think of it.


> She is big on containers, but you can only fit so many tools in a
> container and still be able to get to them

Not to mention move them.


> book/utility shelves are handy but they start to look sloppy even
> after I've just put stuff on them, so no way will they pass muster
> after a few projects pulling tools and parts on and off. :/

A cabinet with shelves and doors that close will hide the sloppiness.

I built a closet with a personnel door that has some VERY sturdy shelves
to hold boxes of stuff and has open floor area into which I can roll my
oxyacetylene torch cart and roll-around toolbox.

The side of our garage has storage areas about 1.5 - 2' deep the full
height of the garage that have 4' wide (1/2" plywood) sliding doors on
tracks. These areas have adjustable shelves. Most of my car stuff is on
these shelves and is hidden when the doors are closed.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls

[toms cat1]

 
That is the exact A/C system that I have in my 1975 W115 300D, both the 
interior and under the hood.  Yes, that is the compressor that you see in the 
lower left of the pic you mentioned.  I can't remember the brand for sure, but 
I think it is a York.  I have a spare from my recycled 1976 300D.  RIP.   Peter 
Frederick was spot on (as he usually is, btw) with his description of the A/C 
and heater set up on the W115... to call that climate control is... a stretch, 
implying a level of sophistication that is simply non-existent in the W115.   
:)  I have never used the A/C on my car (that is what that monster sunroof is 
for, if you ask me) . it has never worked.  Those red and blue control 
levers are standard, and the dial on the lower console with the green is the 
A/C control.  Thereis also a fresh air vent lever, as Peter mentioned, in the 
middle of the upper unit.
Those seats have been changed they are not original in any W115 I have 
seen.  As you probably know, all the W115 300D s were automatic transmissions.
 
Tom Schuch
SE Connecticut
1975 W115 300D
and all the BMWs
 
Message: 3
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 14:04:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Curt Raymond 
To: Diesel List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
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Are those even 115 seats?
 
-Curt
 
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 10:26:08 -0700
From: Alex Chamberlain 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
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http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1874125467.html
 
In the 5th picture down, is that a normal climate control setup for
this vintage of 300D?? What's with the knobs near the stereo and the
sliders above in two separate groups---is that the factory A/C setup
with separate blowers?? I am not particularly familiar with /8s, but I
thought they came with either the Evil Chrysler ACC, or
vertical-slider manual controls like a W123 240D.
 
I love the jack-o'-lantern orange on this one---too bad the seats
appear to have been changed out from a saddle interior to parchment.
If it were a stick 240D rather than an automatic, though, I'd be all
over it.? Wonder if "everything works" includes the heater blower?
 
Alex
 
 
 
 
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Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 14:07:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Curt Raymond 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
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I think thats a York, it looks just like the one in Dwight's '78 240D. I'm 
thinking if I buy the car I'll have to get it working if for no other reason 
than to see how much it shakes the car...
 
-Curt
 
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 12:30:12 -0700
From: Alex Chamberlain 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
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On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Peter Frederick  wrote:
>
> No ACC in any w114/115 chassis, only manual (aftermarket) AC.
 
By aftermarket you mean fitted by the dealer, right?? Are these the
Behr units that are often mentioned or are there some /8s out there
with other kinds of A/C?
 
>???if AC is fitted, there is a rotary switch on the console that switches the 
>air from from heat
> to recirculate only AC via the dash vents, and switches from the heater fan 
> to the AC fan.
 
Aha.? So you can tell by the presence of that switch that A/C is
fitted?? Obviously the best check would be to look for a compressor
and so on under the hood, but I'm thinking about how to tell from
sellers' pictures if there isn't a good one of the engine.? In the CL
ad I originally posted, however, methinks in the pic of the engine I
see a compressor at the bottom left---at least it has two thick lines
coming off and one has a service port on it.? Is that one of the
famously long-lived York compressors?
 
http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1874125467.html
 
Alex
  
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Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls

[Craig McCluskey]

On Wed, 4 Aug 2010 20:39:01 -0600 Craig McCluskey
 wrote:

> The controls to the right of the key lock are for heating and
> ventilation.
> 
> The upper levers with the blue arrows control air flow, the left one
> with the blue arrow pointing up to the defroster vents by the
> windshield, the right one with the blue arrow pointing down to the
> floor vents.

I forgot: The lower levers with the red arrows control the flow of hot
water to the left and right heater cores (there are two, just like a
W123).


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls

[Craig McCluskey]

On Wed, 4 Aug 2010 15:21:09 -0500 "R A Bennell"  wrote:

> Yes, the car has the a/c parts on it. The compressor is very visible on
> the left front of the engine. The knob to turn if on is above and to
> the left side of the stereo.

The compressor is on the passenger front side of the engine.

And, the compressor drive belt is not fitted and the pullies are rusty.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls

[Craig McCluskey]

On Wed, 4 Aug 2010 12:34:43 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Peter Frederick
 wrote:

> 
> No ACC in any w114/115 chassis, only manual (aftermarket) AC.

No! That is wrong! The A/C came from the factory!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls

[Craig McCluskey]

On Wed, 4 Aug 2010 10:26:08 -0700 Alex Chamberlain
 wrote:

> http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1874125467.html
> 
> In the 5th picture down, is that a normal climate control setup for
> this vintage of 300D? 

It looks close to what our '72 220D/8 had.


> What's with the knobs near the stereo and the sliders above in two
> separate groups---is that the factory A/C setup with separate blowers?

The controls to the right of the key lock are for heating and
ventilation.

The upper levers with the blue arrows control air flow, the left one with
the blue arrow pointing up to the defroster vents by the windshield, the
right one with the blue arrow pointing down to the floor vents.

The round knob in the middle controls the speed of the fan.

The grille above the blue levers and round knob brings in outside air,
whose volume is adjusted by the lever just above the grille when the A/C
is not running.

When the A/C is running, some vacuum operated baffles move and block off
the outside air and the grille outputs chilled air from the A/C. The air
is moved by a different blower than when the A/C is off.

The round knob with the green arrow just above the left end of the radio
is the temperature control. 

> I am not particularly familiar with /8s, but I thought they came with
> either the Evil Chrysler ACC, or vertical-slider manual controls like a
> W123 240D.

No, they did not.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls

[Stuart S]

Those A/C controls are identical to the ones in my '76 300D.

Knob by the stereo controls A/C being on or off, and the duty cycle, which
maps roughly to temperature.

Sliders (red) control hot air left and right, and (blue) airflow to the
windshield and feet.

(If  the blower works, see if you can find out if it's been replaced; if
it's original it'll probably be dead in a year or two. All the originals
must be at the end of their lifecycles by now.)

("Great condition" inside and out? "Everything works"?

It's missing the side markers and fog lamps (the latter being optional, but
it sure looks like they WERE on it and have been removed). The glove box
isn't in "great" condition and it looks like at least one of the vent
control sliders is completely missing.

Headliner's also trashed, but that's endemic.

I'm also dubious about the radiator. Looks like dried coolant on it, and I
know from experience that when those get old they develop leaks.

"Great condition"? Must be very, very relative...

That said, at half the price it'd be an awesome parts car. And if it runs,
*and the AC and heater fan work*, it's not too bad. Those seats don't look
original, but they also look nice and clean and plush. I'd trade my trashed
originals for those anyday...)

Stuart S.

Alex Chamberlain said:

Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 10:26:08 -0700
From: Alex Chamberlain 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
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http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1874125467.html

In the 5th picture down, is that a normal climate control setup for
this vintage of 300D?? What's with the knobs near the stereo and the
sliders above in two separate groups---is that the factory A/C setup
with separate blowers?? I am not particularly familiar with /8s, but I
thought they came with either the Evil Chrysler ACC, or
vertical-slider manual controls like a W123 240D.

I love the jack-o'-lantern orange on this one---too bad the seats
appear to have been changed out from a saddle interior to parchment.
If it were a stick 240D rather than an automatic, though, I'd be all
over it.? Wonder if "everything works" includes the heater blower?

Alex




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Re: [MBZ] Organization was Re: Dip Stick Tube 91 300D

[OK Don]

Max hit the nail on the head - deny access. Otherwise, we bought some chrome
steel shelving units, with  roller kits, from Lowes that met SWMBO's
standards. Not only are the boxes, etc. off the floor, they can be moved
around easily enough. All but the front 6 feet of our attached garage was
converted to "house space" - mostly my photo/radio/computer lair, the front
6 feet is the "garage" with a workbench and most of the tools.

On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 1:20 PM,  wrote:

> Google '5 S System Quality Methods'
>
> Works for me, after the first pain of purging.
>

-- 
OK Don
Panic! (the national past time).
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Re: [MBZ] Say it ain't so!

[Allan Streib]

Alex Chamberlain  writes:

> Because the way the power grid is currently implemented, economies of
> scale are a Bad Thing---distributed power generation would be far more
> reliable.  The Internet is a fair analogy.

For power produced by steam, e.g. burning coal, oil, gas; nuclear, large
generating plants are more effecient and economical than everyone having
a little coal-fired boiler with a steam turbine hooked to a generator in
his basement.

For wind and solar, it probably matters a lot less, and if the point of
generation is close to the point of consumption, you lose less in
transmission.  Not that I think wind and solar have ANY potential to
replace large generating stations any time soon, but they probably are
much better suited to a distributed power generation architecture.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D

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Re: [MBZ] Say it ain't so!

[Mountain Man]

Alex wrote:
> ---distributed power generation would be far more
> reliable.  The Internet is a fair analogy.

I thought there were movements in that direction.
Maybe it was steel production that is going to mini-mills.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Wagon parts

[E M]

You could also tell him, if you saw the car as $2000 worth of parts, you
would also be in the parts business, in which case, you would offer him $250
for the whole car.

Ed
300E

On 4 August 2010 18:17, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> E M wrote:
>
>> $600 for a 23 year old car, with a bent frame.  I think it was a
>> reasonable
>> offer.  Double what a wrecker would pay, which is probably where it's
>> headed
>> next.
>>
>
> "But..but..it has $2000 worth of parts on it"
>
> "Good for you, if you want to spend 30 hours ripping it apart and two years
> selling all the parts. You think I want to do all that for a possible $300
> gain on my $1700 investment?"
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Re: [MBZ] Wagon parts

[E M]

As we all know, a W124 is a pretty solid car.  It was hit hard enough to
bend the frame, in an area very close to a lot of the "valuable" part.
Wonder how much of the impact energy was transferred to the engine and
trans, and what effect it had on them?

I still say you're buying 23 year old parts, that were subjected to a BIG
bang, so the risk to the buyer is not small.  I still think $600 was more
than fair.

Have to remember too, if the car is so rare, and therefore, so are the
parts; how much of a market is there for these rare parts?  There aren't
many cars left to bolt the parts onto.  Would a Benz breaking yard even want
to take up shelf space for these parts, that they might move over the next
5-10 years, when they could buy several cars for the same price, with parts
they could move, and make a profit on much faster?

Rare, because there just aren't a lot of them around, is not the same as
rare and desirable.

Leave some contact info with the guy, and tell him you hope he gets his
price.  If not, give you a ring, see what you can workout.  I wouldn't be
surprised if you get a call.

Ed
300E

On 4 August 2010 18:24, Alex Chamberlain  wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 2:35 PM, E M  wrote:
> > $600 for a 23 year old car, with a bent frame.  I think it was a
> reasonable
> > offer.  Double what a wrecker would pay, which is probably where it's
> headed
> > next.
> >
>
> Yes, exactly.  I bet the seller's thinking the car is worth a fair
> amount over salvage price because there are lots of parts that are
> specific to the '87 diesels and pretty much made of unobtainium.
> Which is of course why I would want the car, too.  We just differ on
> how much more over salvage price it's worth...
>
> I emailed the guy back gently pointing out that you can buy drivable
> 300Es all day long for $1K, 300TEs for $1500, and 124 diesels for not
> a lot more despite their rarity.  Judging by CL prices the only '80s
> Mercedes that are worth anything at all in this neck of the woods are
> diesel 123s.  That includes SLs, too, although not the really rare
> stuff like 2.3-16s and 500Es, of course.
>
> Alex
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Re: [MBZ] Wagon parts

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 2:35 PM, E M  wrote:
> $600 for a 23 year old car, with a bent frame.  I think it was a reasonable
> offer.  Double what a wrecker would pay, which is probably where it's headed
> next.
>

Yes, exactly.  I bet the seller's thinking the car is worth a fair
amount over salvage price because there are lots of parts that are
specific to the '87 diesels and pretty much made of unobtainium.
Which is of course why I would want the car, too.  We just differ on
how much more over salvage price it's worth...

I emailed the guy back gently pointing out that you can buy drivable
300Es all day long for $1K, 300TEs for $1500, and 124 diesels for not
a lot more despite their rarity.  Judging by CL prices the only '80s
Mercedes that are worth anything at all in this neck of the woods are
diesel 123s.  That includes SLs, too, although not the really rare
stuff like 2.3-16s and 500Es, of course.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Wagon parts

[Mitch Haley]

E M wrote:

$600 for a 23 year old car, with a bent frame.  I think it was a reasonable
offer.  Double what a wrecker would pay, which is probably where it's headed
next.


"But..but..it has $2000 worth of parts on it"

"Good for you, if you want to spend 30 hours ripping it apart and two years 
selling all the parts. You think I want to do all that for a possible $300 gain 
on my $1700 investment?"


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Re: [MBZ] Wagon parts

[E M]

$600 for a 23 year old car, with a bent frame.  I think it was a reasonable
offer.  Double what a wrecker would pay, which is probably where it's headed
next.

Ed
300E

On 4 August 2010 15:38, Alex Chamberlain  wrote:

> http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/pts/1874052713.html
>
> You don't see this every day.  I emailed the seller offering $600 for
> the whole car (hey, 20% over Kaleb price!) and almost immediately got
> a response saying that anything under $1500 was an insult and would be
> ignored.  Jerk.
>
> There's also someone selling a pair of good SLS accumulators for $50:
>
> http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/pts/1878369335.html
>
> Would someone with ready access to the EPC (Java's broken right now on
> the machine I usually use to get at the online version) be so kind as
> to check if those are the same as for a 126?  My Euro 500SEL with full
> hydraulic suspension uses the same spheres as a USA-spec 560SEL does
> in the rear---just five instead of two.  Thinking I might pick up
> those two for spares if they'll work on my car.
>
> Alex
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Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> Are those even 115 seats?
>

I'm going to have to go look at it.  It doesn't even look like MB-Tex
in the pictures.  Maybe they were recovered at some point, but then
why not match the door panel color?

A;ex

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Re: [MBZ] Wagon parts

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:
> Alex Chamberlain wrote:
>> How do you determine that the valve is bad other than to throw parts
>> at it, i.e., replace the accumulators and see if it still rides hard?
>
> Just the fact that it doesn't hold a certain base pressure is probably
> enough to condemn or rebuild a valve.

Aha.  Like most things with the SLS, it's always simpler than you think.  ;)

> Didn't your
> 126 raise up but ride hard when you bought it and limped home?

Yes, after I refilled the reservoir.  And the manual height control
knob on the dash worked as it should.  I guess I was wondering whether
in hindsight it was the right thing to do to just throw the five new
accumulators on it without testing the valve.  But if what you say is
right, if it pressurized and went to max ride height, I could have
ruled out the valve right there.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol in the Glorious People's Premium ?

[E M]

I'm in Ontario.  While smoking isn't good for you, I doubt very much the odd
cigar will have any negative effect on longevity what so ever.  As you say,
in moderation, it's all part of enjoying life.

I'm pretty sure cigars, or any tobacco products, are not allowed to be
mailed within Canada.  Now sure if that applies to export too, or just
within certain provinces.  I was told once, that "owning" Cuban cigars isn't
illegal in the US, only buying or selling them.  I think anything
pre-embargo is ok, but that stuff is probably crazy expensive now.  A few
years back, I still have a couple of REAL Cuban Davidoff sticks in my
humidor.  Try finding those today!! hee hee

If you do buy cigars from Canada, that you are allowed to take back with
you, see if you can claim the tobacco tax when you get home, and get a
rebate from the Canadian gov.  I know with some of the taxes, friends have
claimed them upon arriving home, and received a cheque.  As the taxes are
intended for our domestic market, might be worth looking into.  The markup
on tobacco is very high here!  Now, that might not be such a good idea if
you're submitting a stub for Cuban cigars, and the refund is going to the
US. ;-)

What Canadian spirits are you interested in?

Ed
300E

On 4 August 2010 16:04, Van Knutson  wrote:

> We have minimum beer and wine pricing here.  I remember about 10 years or
> so
> years ago, there was a local wine producing, offering a good wine for $3.50
> or so a bottle.  Gov said no no to that, much charge at least 7.50 or
> whatever it was.  It's not the greedy beer and wine producers, it's the gov
> that seems to if they set the min price high enough, no one will get drunk
> and misbehave.  Another example of, how did we ever get by before the gov
> came along told us what was best for us.  hee hee.
>
> As for cigars, they are something I enjoy, along with the odd bowl of pipe
> tobacco.  Usually a bowl or a cigar on the weekends.  I have a few Cohibas
> in my humidor at the moment, but I have to admit, not my fave stick.  My
> fave shape is Robusto.  Big enough ring to get enough complexity from the
> filler, and a long enough smoke for me.  Pipe tobacco, I lean towards the
> English blends, with Latakia.  Hard to find a good selection of "proper"
> pipe tobaccos now.  I hear Dunhill is reintroducing several of theirs.
>
> Back to wineI think the Italians have it all figured out.  last time i
> was there, a decent bottle of red table wine, cost the same per litre as a
> litre of premium fuel. hee hee.
>
> Plan another trip up, we have several really good tobacconists with great
> selections of cigars.  :-)  Just remember to fill your tank before crossing
> over, the gas prices here will shock you!!
>
> Ed
> 300E
>
> 
> You and I have similar smoking habits re: weekends.  The rationale is: its
> bad for you, and if you do it a lot it will kill you, but if you do it
> jst a bit, maybe you can get away with being naughty!  Either way, life
> without an occasional good cigar is a life not worth living, eh?
>
> Yeah, that would be cool.  Where in CA do you live?  I live in the
> Milwaukee area, Racine to be exact.  As mentioned, my one trip to the Great
> White North was to Sarnia, ONT, just north of Detroit/Windsor.
>
> There is some booze that I wouldn't mind hooking up with in Canada.  IIRC,
> we Americans get to declare one litre per adult per trip duty free.
>
> I'm not sure what the deal w/cigars is.  Cubans going back are a no-no, but
> you simply unband them in-country and put another on them, like Dutch
> Masters   ; )  and it simply isnt' worth the customs agents time to debate
> it with you.
>
> DBV, singing the smugglers blues information minister.
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls

[Curt Raymond]

I think thats a York, it looks just like the one in Dwight's '78 240D. I'm 
thinking if I buy the car I'll have to get it working if for no other reason 
than to see how much it shakes the car...

-Curt

Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 12:30:12 -0700
From: Alex Chamberlain 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
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On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Peter Frederick  wrote:
>
> No ACC in any w114/115 chassis, only manual (aftermarket) AC.

By aftermarket you mean fitted by the dealer, right?  Are these the
Behr units that are often mentioned or are there some /8s out there
with other kinds of A/C?

>   if AC is fitted, there is a rotary switch on the console that switches the 
>air from from heat
> to recirculate only AC via the dash vents, and switches from the heater fan 
> to the AC fan.

Aha.  So you can tell by the presence of that switch that A/C is
fitted?  Obviously the best check would be to look for a compressor
and so on under the hood, but I'm thinking about how to tell from
sellers' pictures if there isn't a good one of the engine.  In the CL
ad I originally posted, however, methinks in the pic of the engine I
see a compressor at the bottom left---at least it has two thick lines
coming off and one has a service port on it.  Is that one of the
famously long-lived York compressors?

http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1874125467.html

Alex


  
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Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls

[Curt Raymond]

Are those even 115 seats?

-Curt

Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 10:26:08 -0700
From: Alex Chamberlain 
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Subject: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
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http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1874125467.html

In the 5th picture down, is that a normal climate control setup for
this vintage of 300D?  What's with the knobs near the stereo and the
sliders above in two separate groups---is that the factory A/C setup
with separate blowers?  I am not particularly familiar with /8s, but I
thought they came with either the Evil Chrysler ACC, or
vertical-slider manual controls like a W123 240D.

I love the jack-o'-lantern orange on this one---too bad the seats
appear to have been changed out from a saddle interior to parchment.
If it were a stick 240D rather than an automatic, though, I'd be all
over it.  Wonder if "everything works" includes the heater blower?

Alex


  
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Re: [MBZ] Wagon parts

[Mitch Haley]

Alex Chamberlain wrote:


How do you determine that the valve is bad other than to throw parts
at it, i.e., replace the accumulators and see if it still rides hard?


You crawl under the car, pop the bleeder, and the car doesn't drop. That means 
your base pressure was zero. You start the car, manually move the lever on the 
valve (which you've unhooked from the anti-sway bar) and the car doesn't go up 
and down. At that point you hope to heck the pump is working and get another 
valve. In my case, it was the round S124 style, and I don't believe it's 
rebuildable like the S123 valve supposedly is.


Just the fact that it doesn't hold a certain base pressure is probably enough to 
condemn or rebuild a valve. I don't know if valves ever die on their own without 
being destroyed by flat accumulators or not. Didn't your 126 raise up but ride 
hard when you bought it and limped home?

If ride height is normal, your valve, pump and struts/bags should still be good.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Wagon parts

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Rusty Cullens  wrote:
> Yes, they are the same.
>
>

Thank you, Rusty!

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Wagon parts

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:
> So, the 'original' accumulators hammered the control valve to death, they
> replaced the accumulators only to find that the car still had no hydraulic
> pressure, then replaced the valve and all was fine? So they then decided
> that the valve was the only bad part in the system to begin with?
>
> My 16v (124 control valve and 123 accumulators) had dead SLS when I bought
> it. The accumulators were long past dead, and the valve had been destroyed
> by the pressure spikes. I got a valve from some fool who had removed a
> working SLS from his 16v, and two new accumulators.

How do you determine that the valve is bad other than to throw parts
at it, i.e., replace the accumulators and see if it still rides hard?

By "destroyed" do you mean that the valve was truly TU or could it
have just been rebuilt with new seals?  I see that seal kits are
available.  (Haven't had to do any of this [yet] on my 500SEL...
replacing the accumulators cured the buckboard ride.)

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Wagon parts

[Mitch Haley]

Alex Chamberlain wrote:


There's also someone selling a pair of good SLS accumulators for $50:

http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/pts/1878369335.html

So, the 'original' accumulators hammered the control valve to death, they 
replaced the accumulators only to find that the car still had no hydraulic 
pressure, then replaced the valve and all was fine? So they then decided that 
the valve was the only bad part in the system to begin with?


My 16v (124 control valve and 123 accumulators) had dead SLS when I bought it. 
The accumulators were long past dead, and the valve had been destroyed by the 
pressure spikes. I got a valve from some fool who had removed a working SLS from 
his 16v, and two new accumulators.


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Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls

[R A Bennell]

Yes, the car has the a/c parts on it. The compressor is very visible on the 
left front of the engine. The knob to
turn if on is above and to the left side of the stereo.

Interesting seats. Are they out of some other Benz or are they custom made to 
fit it I wonder?

Randy

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Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 1:30 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls


On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Peter Frederick  wrote:
>
> No ACC in any w114/115 chassis, only manual (aftermarket) AC.

By aftermarket you mean fitted by the dealer, right?  Are these the
Behr units that are often mentioned or are there some /8s out there
with other kinds of A/C?

>   if AC is fitted, there is a rotary switch on the console that switches the 
> air from from heat
> to recirculate only AC via the dash vents, and switches from the heater fan 
> to the AC fan.

Aha.  So you can tell by the presence of that switch that A/C is
fitted?  Obviously the best check would be to look for a compressor
and so on under the hood, but I'm thinking about how to tell from
sellers' pictures if there isn't a good one of the engine.  In the CL
ad I originally posted, however, methinks in the pic of the engine I
see a compressor at the bottom left---at least it has two thick lines
coming off and one has a service port on it.  Is that one of the
famously long-lived York compressors?

http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1874125467.html

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol in the Glorious People's Premium ?

[LWB250]

Nod to the north, Van.  I had a Sprecker with my lunch today.  Yum.

I hear that Harley is threatening to move production out of town.  That should 
be getting the locals worked up.

Dan who just got his monthly care package from Bernie's Fine Meats in Port 
Washington, WI today.



--- On Wed, 8/4/10, Van Knutson  wrote:

> From: Van Knutson 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ethanol in the Glorious People's Premium ?
> To: "mercedes okiebenz" 
> Date: Wednesday, August 4, 2010, 4:04 PM
>> You and I have similar smoking habits re: weekends.  The
> rationale is: its bad for you, and if you do it a lot it
> will kill you, but if you do it jst a bit, maybe you
> can get away with being naughty!  Either way, life without
> an occasional good cigar is a life not worth living, eh?
>  
> Yeah, that would be cool.  Where in CA do you live?  I
> live in the Milwaukee area, Racine to be exact.  As
> mentioned, my one trip to the Great White North was to
> Sarnia, ONT, just north of Detroit/Windsor.
>  
> There is some booze that I wouldn't mind hooking up with in
> Canada.  IIRC, we Americans get to declare one litre per
> adult per trip duty free.
>  
> I'm not sure what the deal w/cigars is.  Cubans going
> back are a no-no, but you simply unband them in-country and
> put another on them, like Dutch Masters   ; )  and it
> simply isnt' worth the customs agents time to debate it with
> you.
>  
> DBV, singing the smugglers blues information minister.
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Say it ain't so!

[Rich Thomas]

I had this idea a few weeks back that since SC already has nukes, and a 
nuke waste dump, and a Navy nuke school, and probably nuke bombs laying 
around too, and a bunch of nuke engineers and whatnot, we should declare 
SC to be a net energy exporter, build another dozen of those big boys 
and start selling power to the NIMBY libs up north, then pull a Putin 
and jack up the price once they get comfortable with it.  They can 
charge their little electric cars, run their ACs ICE COLD, and turn on 
all their lights whenever they want, and we will rake in the ching and 
start building indoor ski mountains.


--R

On 8/4/2010 11:44 AM, Tim C wrote:

Fortunately NC is
pretty 'liberal', as it were, about nuclear power, and a lot of ours
is already made this way.



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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol in the Glorious People's Premium ?

[Van Knutson]

We have minimum beer and wine pricing here.  I remember about 10 years or so
years ago, there was a local wine producing, offering a good wine for $3.50
or so a bottle.  Gov said no no to that, much charge at least 7.50 or
whatever it was.  It's not the greedy beer and wine producers, it's the gov
that seems to if they set the min price high enough, no one will get drunk
and misbehave.  Another example of, how did we ever get by before the gov
came along told us what was best for us.  hee hee.

As for cigars, they are something I enjoy, along with the odd bowl of pipe
tobacco.  Usually a bowl or a cigar on the weekends.  I have a few Cohibas
in my humidor at the moment, but I have to admit, not my fave stick.  My
fave shape is Robusto.  Big enough ring to get enough complexity from the
filler, and a long enough smoke for me.  Pipe tobacco, I lean towards the
English blends, with Latakia.  Hard to find a good selection of "proper"
pipe tobaccos now.  I hear Dunhill is reintroducing several of theirs.

Back to wineI think the Italians have it all figured out.  last time i
was there, a decent bottle of red table wine, cost the same per litre as a
litre of premium fuel. hee hee.

Plan another trip up, we have several really good tobacconists with great
selections of cigars.  :-)  Just remember to fill your tank before crossing
over, the gas prices here will shock you!!

Ed
300E


You and I have similar smoking habits re: weekends.  The rationale is: its bad 
for you, and if you do it a lot it will kill you, but if you do it jst a 
bit, maybe you can get away with being naughty!  Either way, life without an 
occasional good cigar is a life not worth living, eh?
 
Yeah, that would be cool.  Where in CA do you live?  I live in the Milwaukee 
area, Racine to be exact.  As mentioned, my one trip to the Great White North 
was to Sarnia, ONT, just north of Detroit/Windsor.
 
There is some booze that I wouldn't mind hooking up with in Canada.  IIRC, we 
Americans get to declare one litre per adult per trip duty free.
 
I'm not sure what the deal w/cigars is.  Cubans going back are a no-no, but you 
simply unband them in-country and put another on them, like Dutch Masters   ; 
)  and it simply isnt' worth the customs agents time to debate it with you.
 
DBV, singing the smugglers blues information minister.


  
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Re: [MBZ] Wagon parts

[Rusty Cullens]

Yes, they are the same.




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Subject: [MBZ] Wagon parts



http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/pts/1874052713.html

You don't see this every day.  I emailed the seller offering $600 for
the whole car (hey, 20% over Kaleb price!) and almost immediately got
a response saying that anything under $1500 was an insult and would be
ignored.  Jerk.

There's also someone selling a pair of good SLS accumulators for $50:

http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/pts/1878369335.html

Would someone with ready access to the EPC (Java's broken right now on
the machine I usually use to get at the online version) be so kind as
to check if those are the same as for a 126?  My Euro 500SEL with full
hydraulic suspension uses the same spheres as a USA-spec 560SEL does
in the rear---just five instead of two.  Thinking I might pick up
those two for spares if they'll work on my car.

Alex

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[MBZ] Wagon parts

[Alex Chamberlain]

http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/pts/1874052713.html

You don't see this every day.  I emailed the seller offering $600 for
the whole car (hey, 20% over Kaleb price!) and almost immediately got
a response saying that anything under $1500 was an insult and would be
ignored.  Jerk.

There's also someone selling a pair of good SLS accumulators for $50:

http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/pts/1878369335.html

Would someone with ready access to the EPC (Java's broken right now on
the machine I usually use to get at the online version) be so kind as
to check if those are the same as for a 126?  My Euro 500SEL with full
hydraulic suspension uses the same spheres as a USA-spec 560SEL does
in the rear---just five instead of two.  Thinking I might pick up
those two for spares if they'll work on my car.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Peter Frederick  wrote:
>
> No ACC in any w114/115 chassis, only manual (aftermarket) AC.

By aftermarket you mean fitted by the dealer, right?  Are these the
Behr units that are often mentioned or are there some /8s out there
with other kinds of A/C?

>   if AC is fitted, there is a rotary switch on the console that switches the 
> air from from heat
> to recirculate only AC via the dash vents, and switches from the heater fan 
> to the AC fan.

Aha.  So you can tell by the presence of that switch that A/C is
fitted?  Obviously the best check would be to look for a compressor
and so on under the hood, but I'm thinking about how to tell from
sellers' pictures if there isn't a good one of the engine.  In the CL
ad I originally posted, however, methinks in the pic of the engine I
see a compressor at the bottom left---at least it has two thick lines
coming off and one has a service port on it.  Is that one of the
famously long-lived York compressors?

http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1874125467.html

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Organization was Re: Dip Stick Tube 91 300D

[pm7088]

Google '5 S System Quality Methods' 

Works for me, after the first pain of purging. 




-- 

Peter Arnold 

Windsor, CT 

- Original Message - 
From: "Tim C"  
To: "Mercedes Discussion List"  
Sent: Wednesday, August 4, 2010 1:29:37 PM 
Subject: [MBZ] Organization was Re: Dip Stick Tube 91 300D 

Which brings up an issue I have, and would love to hear some expert opinions. 

We have an attached (basement) garage, basically part of the house. 
Wife likes house to be tidy. I don't care about tidy (outside of that 
SWMBO cares), I care about efficient. However, garage as part of 
house means I need to get it picked up and organized, and probably 
pretty soon - last unclean area after moving 5 years ago. :) I have 
the ability to store stuff in the shed, but it will boil and/or freeze 
and/or leak a bit so steels, woods, etc. aren't really good 
candidates. I already have the bigger parts, paints, fluids in the 
shed, of course. 

I have a variety of tools and parts: cars, HVAC, wood, household, 
electronics, etc. I've eliminated a lot but still have mucho yunko 
that needs to be kept. In the way of storage I have a few toolboxes, 
a couple bookshelves, some boxes, and am willing to invest a bit in an 
effective storage solution to appease SWMBO. She is big on 
containers, but you can only fit so many tools in a container and 
still be able to get to them... not to mention parts. The 
book/utility shelves are handy but they start to look sloppy even 
after I've just put stuff on them, so no way will they pass muster 
after a few projects pulling tools and parts on and off. :/ 

So I pose it to fellow hobbyists, what is a successful, eye-pleasing 
tool+part organization strategy? 

Thanks, 
-Tim 


On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Larry T  wrote: 
> I know what you mean - once every few years I clean it off and within 2 
> hours its covered with stuff again -- 
> 
> ;-) 
> 
> LarryT 
> 91 300D 
> 
> Import - Export 
> Putting Buyers & Sellers Together 
> 
> -- 
> From: "OK Don"  
> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 10:37 PM 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List"  
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dip Stick Tube 91 300D 
> 
>> "One of those drawers"??? The whole top of my bench and the spce under it 
>> is 
>> "one of those drawers"! 
>> 
>> On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 6:42 PM, Larry T  wrote: 
>> 
>>> Thx Wilton -- gotta find some tubing  there's probably a shirt piece 
>>> in 
>>> the "Junk Drawer" of my work bench - 
>>> 
>>> Doesn't everyone have one of those drawers where all kinds of odds and 
>>> ends 
>>> go? Especially those little unknown things left over after a project -- 
>>> (my 
>>> wife always asks how many pars I had left over to see how well it went) 
>>> ;-) 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> LarryT 
>>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> OK Don 
>> Panic! (the national past time). 
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Re: [MBZ] Organization was Re: Dip Stick Tube 91 300D

[Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310]

Change the locks to keep Wife out?  Get a copy of Griot's catalog and make your 
case to the Finance Committee?

http://www.griotsgarage.com/category/in+your+garage/garage+storage+solutions.do

A cheaper route:  I really like to have stuff on metal shelving; you could get 
some shower curtains to hang in front to cover the mess?

Putting an epoxy floor coating down will also help.

-Max 

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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On 
Behalf Of Tim C
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 1:30 PM
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Subject: [MBZ] Organization was Re: Dip Stick Tube 91 300D

Which brings up an issue I have, and would love to hear some expert opinions.

We have an attached (basement) garage, basically part of the house.
Wife likes house to be tidy.  I don't care about tidy (outside of that SWMBO 
cares), I care about efficient.  However, garage as part of house means I need 
to get it picked up and organized, and probably pretty soon - last unclean area 
after moving 5 years ago. :) I have the ability to store stuff in the shed, but 
it will boil and/or freeze and/or leak a bit so steels, woods, etc. aren't 
really good candidates.  I already have the bigger parts, paints, fluids in the 
shed, of course.

I have a variety of tools and parts: cars, HVAC, wood, household, electronics, 
etc.  I've eliminated a lot but still have mucho yunko that needs to be kept.  
In the way of storage I have a few toolboxes, a couple bookshelves, some boxes, 
and am willing to invest a bit in an effective storage solution to appease 
SWMBO.  She is big on containers, but you can only fit so many tools in a 
container and still be able to get to them... not to mention parts.  The 
book/utility shelves are handy but they start to look sloppy even after I've 
just put stuff on them, so no way will they pass muster after a few projects 
pulling tools and parts on and off. :/

So I pose it to fellow hobbyists, what is a successful, eye-pleasing
tool+part organization strategy?

Thanks,
-Tim


On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Larry T  wrote:
> I know what you  mean - once every few years I clean it off and within 
> 2 hours its covered with stuff again --
>
> ;-)
>
> LarryT
> 91 300D
>
> Import - Export
> Putting Buyers & Sellers Together
>
> --
> From: "OK Don" 
> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 10:37 PM
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dip Stick Tube 91 300D
>
>> "One of those drawers"??? The whole top of my bench and the spce 
>> under it is "one of those drawers"!
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 6:42 PM, Larry T  wrote:
>>
>>> Thx Wilton -- gotta find some tubing  there's probably a shirt 
>>> piece in the "Junk Drawer" of my work bench -
>>>
>>> Doesn't everyone have one of those drawers where all kinds of odds 
>>> and ends go?  Especially those little unknown things left over after 
>>> a project --
>>>  (my
>>> wife always asks how many pars I had left over to see how well it 
>>> went)
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> LarryT
>>>
>>
>> --
>> OK Don
>> Panic! (the national past time).
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Re: [MBZ] 124/126 seat bottoms

[Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310]

The EPC says to use the 123 parts (springs and cushion) until exhausted and 
then use 126 parts, so I suspect that any 123 seat springs/cushion will work in 
any 126.

-Max 

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Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 1:19 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124/126 seat bottoms

On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Tim C  wrote:
> What's early, what's late?  There were a couple 126s in the local 
> you-pull last time I was there.
>
> -Tim

'86-up W126s changed a lot, most notably in the rear suspension---I assume 
that's what Loren means.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls

[Peter Frederick]

No ACC in any w114/115 chassis, only manual (aftermarket) AC.  The four levers 
are for on/off, floor/windshield, and heat (one on each side).  Center vent is 
manual, and if AC is fitted, there is a rotary switch on the console that 
switches the air from from heat to recirculate only AC via the dash vents, and 
switches from the heater fan to the AC fan.  The rotary switch in the center is 
for the fan, works either one depending on the setting of the AC rotary switch.

W123/W116 got ACC, all earlier ones are manual aftermarket style AC.

Peter

-Original Message-
>From: Alex Chamberlain 
>Sent: Aug 4, 2010 12:26 PM
>To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>Subject: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
>
>http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1874125467.html
>
>In the 5th picture down, is that a normal climate control setup for
>this vintage of 300D?  What's with the knobs near the stereo and the
>sliders above in two separate groups---is that the factory A/C setup
>with separate blowers?  I am not particularly familiar with /8s, but I
>thought they came with either the Evil Chrysler ACC, or
>vertical-slider manual controls like a W123 240D.
>
>I love the jack-o'-lantern orange on this one---too bad the seats
>appear to have been changed out from a saddle interior to parchment.
>If it were a stick 240D rather than an automatic, though, I'd be all
>over it.  Wonder if "everything works" includes the heater blower?
>
>Alex
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[MBZ] Organization was Re: Dip Stick Tube 91 300D

[Tim C]

Which brings up an issue I have, and would love to hear some expert opinions.

We have an attached (basement) garage, basically part of the house.
Wife likes house to be tidy.  I don't care about tidy (outside of that
SWMBO cares), I care about efficient.  However, garage as part of
house means I need to get it picked up and organized, and probably
pretty soon - last unclean area after moving 5 years ago. :) I have
the ability to store stuff in the shed, but it will boil and/or freeze
and/or leak a bit so steels, woods, etc. aren't really good
candidates.  I already have the bigger parts, paints, fluids in the
shed, of course.

I have a variety of tools and parts: cars, HVAC, wood, household,
electronics, etc.  I've eliminated a lot but still have mucho yunko
that needs to be kept.  In the way of storage I have a few toolboxes,
a couple bookshelves, some boxes, and am willing to invest a bit in an
effective storage solution to appease SWMBO.  She is big on
containers, but you can only fit so many tools in a container and
still be able to get to them... not to mention parts.  The
book/utility shelves are handy but they start to look sloppy even
after I've just put stuff on them, so no way will they pass muster
after a few projects pulling tools and parts on and off. :/

So I pose it to fellow hobbyists, what is a successful, eye-pleasing
tool+part organization strategy?

Thanks,
-Tim


On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Larry T  wrote:
> I know what you  mean - once every few years I clean it off and within 2
> hours its covered with stuff again --
>
> ;-)
>
> LarryT
> 91 300D
>
> Import - Export
> Putting Buyers & Sellers Together
>
> --
> From: "OK Don" 
> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 10:37 PM
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dip Stick Tube 91 300D
>
>> "One of those drawers"??? The whole top of my bench and the spce under it
>> is
>> "one of those drawers"!
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 6:42 PM, Larry T  wrote:
>>
>>> Thx Wilton -- gotta find some tubing  there's probably a shirt piece
>>> in
>>> the "Junk Drawer" of my work bench -
>>>
>>> Doesn't everyone have one of those drawers where all kinds of odds and
>>> ends
>>> go?  Especially those little unknown things left over after a project --
>>>  (my
>>> wife always asks how many pars I had left over to see how well it went)
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> LarryT
>>>
>>
>> --
>> OK Don
>> Panic! (the national past time).
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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol in the Glorious People's Premium ?

[E M]

There was a time here, about 15 years ago, that that sign would have be
questioned, if it was in the French wine section. lol.

Ed
300E

On 4 August 2010 13:03, OK Don  wrote:

> I like the signs at liquor stores now that say "100% alcohol, no gas!"
>
> On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 10:13 PM, E M  wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Back to wineI think the Italians have it all figured out.  last time
> i
> > was there, a decent bottle of red table wine, cost the same per litre as
> a
> > litre of premium fuel. hee hee.
>
>
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[MBZ] W114 300D climate controls

[Alex Chamberlain]

http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1874125467.html

In the 5th picture down, is that a normal climate control setup for
this vintage of 300D?  What's with the knobs near the stereo and the
sliders above in two separate groups---is that the factory A/C setup
with separate blowers?  I am not particularly familiar with /8s, but I
thought they came with either the Evil Chrysler ACC, or
vertical-slider manual controls like a W123 240D.

I love the jack-o'-lantern orange on this one---too bad the seats
appear to have been changed out from a saddle interior to parchment.
If it were a stick 240D rather than an automatic, though, I'd be all
over it.  Wonder if "everything works" includes the heater blower?

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] 124/126 seat bottoms

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Tim C  wrote:
> What's early, what's late?  There were a couple 126s in the local
> you-pull last time I was there.
>
> -Tim

'86-up W126s changed a lot, most notably in the rear suspension---I
assume that's what Loren means.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] 124/126 seat bottoms

[Tim C]

What's early, what's late?  There were a couple 126s in the local
you-pull last time I was there.

-Tim

On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:17 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thankee Sir!
>
> I know the adjusters are unique to each type, except one type may have more
> than one kind if seat adjuster, and some had choices of manual or electric.
>
> My SDL being the "later" type 126, would have a unique seat bottom. But a
> 123 seat bottom may still bolt up.   The change may have been in the pan or
> springs, not in the bolt pattern on the bottom.  It looks like I am best off
> to try to find a late 126 seat pan/springs.
>
>
>
>> According to EPC, the 123 cushion frames and pads were used in early 126
>> cars, but the "seat adjuster" which is the metal structure between seat
>> bottom assembly and the car floor is unique to the 126.  I see nothing
>> in the 124 seats have 123 or 126 part numbers.
>>
>> -Max
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
>> [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dieselhead
>> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 6:14 PM
>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Subject: [MBZ] 124/126 seat bottoms
>>
>> Does anyone know for sure if the front seat bottoms are the same between
>> the 124 and 126?  I am pondering putting a 124 passenger seat frame in a
>> 126.  I think they are the same, and I think they interchange with the
>> 123/115/116/108 etc.  Thanks
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol in the Glorious People's Premium ?

[OK Don]

I like the signs at liquor stores now that say "100% alcohol, no gas!"

On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 10:13 PM, E M  wrote:

>
>
> Back to wineI think the Italians have it all figured out.  last time i
> was there, a decent bottle of red table wine, cost the same per litre as a
> litre of premium fuel. hee hee.


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Re: [MBZ] 124/126 seat bottoms

[Dieselhead]

Thankee Sir!

I know the adjusters are unique to each type, except one type may 
have more than one kind if seat adjuster, and some had choices of 
manual or electric.


My SDL being the "later" type 126, would have a unique seat bottom. 
But a 123 seat bottom may still bolt up.   The change may have been 
in the pan or springs, not in the bolt pattern on the bottom.  It 
looks like I am best off to try to find a late 126 seat pan/springs.





According to EPC, the 123 cushion frames and pads were used in early 126
cars, but the "seat adjuster" which is the metal structure between seat
bottom assembly and the car floor is unique to the 126.  I see nothing
in the 124 seats have 123 or 126 part numbers.

-Max

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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dieselhead
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 6:14 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] 124/126 seat bottoms

Does anyone know for sure if the front seat bottoms are the same between
the 124 and 126?  I am pondering putting a 124 passenger seat frame in a
126.  I think they are the same, and I think they interchange with the
123/115/116/108 etc.  Thanks

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Re: [MBZ] Say it ain't so!

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Tim C  wrote:
> Not sure why everyone is so happy with their little portable power
> plants, we're happy enough with economies of scale everywhere else.

Because the way the power grid is currently implemented, economies of
scale are a Bad Thing---distributed power generation would be far more
reliable.  The Internet is a fair analogy.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Say it ain't so!

[Tim C]

On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 7:16 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV
SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310  wrote:

> In other words, this paper is a sales pitch to help the environmentally pious 
> justify the

Well, and to sell folks electric cars.  Sure.  That doesn't make
electric motors/cars/trucks/trains bad, that's all I'm saying - they
are very efficient at moving things from place to place, especially if
the thing has to stop and start a lot.  The truth is, generally, that
the less energy you consume the lower your emissions overall.  That's
the math part. :)

Honestly I don't think a coal-fired power plant, with modern scrubbers
and proper-height smokestacks, would be horrid to have in the
neighborhood, but I certainly prefer nuclear.  Fortunately NC is
pretty 'liberal', as it were, about nuclear power, and a lot of ours
is already made this way.

> won't support them.  I HATE that my tax dollars support such foolishness!

Agree with you on that.  But such it is; of things that I get worked
up about, I feel less bad having money spent on technology and
technology companies than brainlessly sustaining other markets where
the US has demonstrated its lack of competitiveness.  (I gather there
was a recent report that there is some high correlation between
fructuse and pancreatic cancer.  But that is definitely moving into
banned territory, unless you guys are drinking sodas on the road. :)

-Tim


>
> -Max
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On 
> Behalf Of Tim C
> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 5:00 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Say it ain't so!
>
> Efficiency is just math.  Not sure how reputable the paper is (Tesla
> sourced) but the numbers aren't too far off others I have seen, and they seem 
> to cover the various aspects pretty well:
>
> http://www.stanford.edu/group/greendorm/participate/cee124/TeslaReading.pdf
>
> Not sure why everyone is so happy with their little portable power plants, 
> we're happy enough with economies of scale everywhere else.
> There are a number of ways to produce electricity, and as far as I can tell 
> only one or two to produce good oil.  (That said, oil is a great 
> energy-storage device, better kWh/lb if less convenient than
> batteries.)  I know electrics are not ZE, every thinking person knows 
> electrics are not ZE, but the fact that there are idiots running around 
> shooting their mouths off about whatever doesn't mean the technology itself 
> is bad; I have to admit I'm surprised a bunch of Mercedes drivers - who 
> obviously think "outside the box" to be driving old, paid-off cars - are so 
> antagonistic to the technology itself.
>
> Anyway I don't think anyone is for banning other forms of transport, but 
> there isn't anything wrong with having a variety of options available for a 
> variety of different needs.
>
> -Tim
> trolled
>
> On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Rich Thomas 
>  wrote:
>> Last night on All Things Considered they did "letters" and someone
>> pointed out that their slobbering about the Volt and some guy calling
>> it a "zero emissions vehicle" was incorrect because it was just a
>> "displaced emissions vehicle."
>>
>> --R
>>
>> On 8/3/2010 9:00 AM, LWB250 wrote:
>>>
>>> A couple of weeks ago Time magazine had an article about the Chevy Volt.
>>>  Last week's issue had a very well written letter to the editor
>>> published in it that raised this exact issue - this whole idea of an
>>> electric car is pretty silly when the power being used to recharge it
>>> is produced by coal-fired power plants that pollute the air.
>>>
>>> We're not the only ones who see through this
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Tue, 8/3/10, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,
>>> 53310  wrote:
>>>
>>>

 From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,
 53310
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Say it ain't so!
 To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
 Date: Tuesday, August 3, 2010, 6:49 AM And the author did a good job
 of making sure it (coal-powered electrical plants generate majority
 of our electricity) remained hidden!  I don't suppose too many
 green-types would sign up for a coal-powered car if the smoke was
 released less than 10 feet away!

 -Max

 -Original Message-
 From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
 [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
 On Behalf Of Rich Thomas
 Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 5:46 PM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: [MBZ] Say it ain't so!


   Green machine: Plug-free electric cars' hidden cost



 http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn19246-green-machine-plugfree-e
 lect
 ric-cars-hidden-cost.html

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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol in the Glorious People's Premium ?

[Rich Thomas]

Do you run a messenger service too?

--R

On 8/4/2010 12:37 AM, Van Knutson wrote:

DBV wrote:
   

I dream of the day someone in the US has the stones to declare the embargo a 
waste of time and open trade with the Commies.

 

What do you mean?
The commies are our largest debt owner - china is still communist, no?
mao

***
I'll be impressed with the ChiComs when their cigars are as good as Cubans.
  
So far they haven't demonstrated they can keep mercury out of childrens toys, tooth paste or dog food.  Cigars might be a bit of a tall order for them.
  
DBV, quicksilver information minister




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Re: [MBZ] Say it ain't so!

[Rich Thomas]

Max you are such a buzzkiller.

--R

On 8/4/2010 7:16 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 
wrote:

Tim,

Thanks for that paper - it's a very well crafted piece to make the case for ZE which also 
avoids any mention at all of the nasty "emissions elsewhere" that coal produces 
(e.g. mercury, arsenic, various radioactive particles).  From the DOE's latest electrical 
generation statistics, coal produced just under 50% of the electrical power, nuclear 
produced about 20%, natural gas about 21%.  Solar and wind produced about 2%.  In other 
words, this paper is a sales pitch to help the environmentally pious justify the 
government props needed to produce electric cars, because the economics of the situation 
won't support them.  I HATE that my tax dollars support such foolishness!

-Max

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On 
Behalf Of Tim C
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 5:00 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Say it ain't so!

Efficiency is just math.  Not sure how reputable the paper is (Tesla
sourced) but the numbers aren't too far off others I have seen, and they seem 
to cover the various aspects pretty well:

http://www.stanford.edu/group/greendorm/participate/cee124/TeslaReading.pdf

Not sure why everyone is so happy with their little portable power plants, 
we're happy enough with economies of scale everywhere else.
There are a number of ways to produce electricity, and as far as I can tell 
only one or two to produce good oil.  (That said, oil is a great energy-storage 
device, better kWh/lb if less convenient than
batteries.)  I know electrics are not ZE, every thinking person knows electrics are not 
ZE, but the fact that there are idiots running around shooting their mouths off about 
whatever doesn't mean the technology itself is bad; I have to admit I'm surprised a bunch 
of Mercedes drivers - who obviously think "outside the box" to be driving old, 
paid-off cars - are so antagonistic to the technology itself.

Anyway I don't think anyone is for banning other forms of transport, but there 
isn't anything wrong with having a variety of options available for a variety 
of different needs.

-Tim
trolled

On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Rich 
Thomas  wrote:
   

Last night on All Things Considered they did "letters" and someone
pointed out that their slobbering about the Volt and some guy calling
it a "zero emissions vehicle" was incorrect because it was just a
"displaced emissions vehicle."

--R

On 8/3/2010 9:00 AM, LWB250 wrote:
 

A couple of weeks ago Time magazine had an article about the Chevy Volt.
  Last week's issue had a very well written letter to the editor
published in it that raised this exact issue - this whole idea of an
electric car is pretty silly when the power being used to recharge it
is produced by coal-fired power plants that pollute the air.

We're not the only ones who see through this

Dan


--- On Tue, 8/3/10, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,
53310wrote:


   

From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,
53310
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Say it ain't so!
To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
Date: Tuesday, August 3, 2010, 6:49 AM And the author did a good job
of making sure it (coal-powered electrical plants generate majority
of our electricity) remained hidden!  I don't suppose too many
green-types would sign up for a coal-powered car if the smoke was
released less than 10 feet away!

-Max

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Rich Thomas
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 5:46 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] Say it ain't so!


   Green machine: Plug-free electric cars' hidden cost



http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn19246-green-machine-plugfree-e
lect
ric-cars-hidden-cost.html

--R
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Re: [MBZ] WWMBD?

[pm7088]

The stupidity was that at inception, I would have taken $200 to bump & paint 
the slight damage on the door. 

They sent an adjuster out who wrote it for $1300 which is the documentation I 
gave the clerk of the court. 


-- 

Peter Arnold 

Windsor, CT 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mitch Haley"  
To: "Mercedes Discussion List"  
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2010 9:21:58 PM 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] WWMBD? 

Peter T. Arnold wrote: 

> I prevailed by suing 'otherguy' in small claims court. That made his 
> insurance company wake up an write a check. 

Especially if you're suing them for $1000. They'd rather pay than send an 
attorney. 

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Re: [MBZ] Say it ain't so!

[pm7088]

Took the tour about 10 years ago, we have property nearby. 
They put us in a bus and drove into a tunnel, under the lake which stores the 
water. There we saw the 4 huge {to me} Motor/generators that run the process. 
The entire site is also a very large nature preserve where bears are allowed to 
poop without picking it up. 


-- 

Peter T. Arnold P.M. x3 

- Original Message - 
From: "Curt Raymond"  
To: "Diesel List"  
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2010 9:04:34 PM 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Say it ain't so! 

Northfield is neat, ever been there? I went back in college, I wonder if they 
still let people tour the generating floor... 

-Curt 

Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 13:43:24 + (UTC) 
From: pm7...@comcast.net 
To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Say it ain't so! 
Message-ID: 
<2595688.1029919.1280843004079.javamail.r...@sz0127a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
 

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 

Got to think outside the box. 
Properly 
designed commuter car {50 miles/day} would recharge during the evening 
hours when the electrical demand is very low and excess capacity can be 
used very economically. 
Example: In Northfied Massachusetts there is 
a unique storage system that uses surplus power in the evening to pump 
water out of the Connecticut river up into a lake. During high demand, 
that water goes back to the rive, turning generators. This system allows 
nukes to run with very high efficiency and has been running for about 
30 years. 


-- 

Peter Arnold 

Windsor, CT 



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Re: [MBZ] WWMBD?

[Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310]

I'd definitely get the state insurance authority involved - usually they
have a lot of power to get the insurance folks to do the right thing.
Also make life painful for the guy who did the damage - a small claims
case may be enough to wake him up.

-Max 

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LWB250
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 7:27 PM
To: Okie Benz
Subject: [MBZ] WWMBD?

Here's the deal:

Friend of mine is a divorced mom with a job and full time night school.

Asshat hits her in a parking lot and damages her car.  Not bad enough to
disable it, but there's over a grand worth of damage.  Cops won't come
to make a report, as it's considered a "fender bender" according to
them.

The guy's insurer (Allstate) tells her to get an estimate, than turns
around and says they'll only pay 60%, and she should file a claim for
the balance with her insurer (State Farm) who has told her if she does,
her rates will go up.

I told her to refuse their settlement and file a complaint with the
state, while also filing for relief in small claims.  State Farm told
her the same thing today.

The car is drivable, so she's not in a bind for transportation.  I'm
thinking time is on her side and if she digs in her heels she'll get
them to pony up the whole amount.

Do note that this is in Florida, which is a no-fault state.  However, I
don't see where that factors in, since the guy hit her and was clearly
at fault. When my son was hit and the car totaled in June, it as in
Florida, and the guy's insurance paid out in full.

Opinions?  Suggestions?

Dan



  


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Re: [MBZ] Say it ain't so!

[Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310]

Tim,

Thanks for that paper - it's a very well crafted piece to make the case for ZE 
which also avoids any mention at all of the nasty "emissions elsewhere" that 
coal produces (e.g. mercury, arsenic, various radioactive particles).  From the 
DOE's latest electrical generation statistics, coal produced just under 50% of 
the electrical power, nuclear produced about 20%, natural gas about 21%.  Solar 
and wind produced about 2%.  In other words, this paper is a sales pitch to 
help the environmentally pious justify the government props needed to produce 
electric cars, because the economics of the situation won't support them.  I 
HATE that my tax dollars support such foolishness!

-Max

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On 
Behalf Of Tim C
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 5:00 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Say it ain't so!

Efficiency is just math.  Not sure how reputable the paper is (Tesla
sourced) but the numbers aren't too far off others I have seen, and they seem 
to cover the various aspects pretty well:

http://www.stanford.edu/group/greendorm/participate/cee124/TeslaReading.pdf

Not sure why everyone is so happy with their little portable power plants, 
we're happy enough with economies of scale everywhere else.
There are a number of ways to produce electricity, and as far as I can tell 
only one or two to produce good oil.  (That said, oil is a great energy-storage 
device, better kWh/lb if less convenient than
batteries.)  I know electrics are not ZE, every thinking person knows electrics 
are not ZE, but the fact that there are idiots running around shooting their 
mouths off about whatever doesn't mean the technology itself is bad; I have to 
admit I'm surprised a bunch of Mercedes drivers - who obviously think "outside 
the box" to be driving old, paid-off cars - are so antagonistic to the 
technology itself.

Anyway I don't think anyone is for banning other forms of transport, but there 
isn't anything wrong with having a variety of options available for a variety 
of different needs.

-Tim
trolled

On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Rich Thomas 
 wrote:
> Last night on All Things Considered they did "letters" and someone 
> pointed out that their slobbering about the Volt and some guy calling 
> it a "zero emissions vehicle" was incorrect because it was just a 
> "displaced emissions vehicle."
>
> --R
>
> On 8/3/2010 9:00 AM, LWB250 wrote:
>>
>> A couple of weeks ago Time magazine had an article about the Chevy Volt.
>>  Last week's issue had a very well written letter to the editor 
>> published in it that raised this exact issue - this whole idea of an 
>> electric car is pretty silly when the power being used to recharge it 
>> is produced by coal-fired power plants that pollute the air.
>>
>> We're not the only ones who see through this
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>> --- On Tue, 8/3/10, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 
>> 53310  wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 
>>> 53310
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Say it ain't so!
>>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
>>> Date: Tuesday, August 3, 2010, 6:49 AM And the author did a good job 
>>> of making sure it (coal-powered electrical plants generate majority 
>>> of our electricity) remained hidden!  I don't suppose too many 
>>> green-types would sign up for a coal-powered car if the smoke was 
>>> released less than 10 feet away!
>>>
>>> -Max
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
>>> [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Rich Thomas
>>> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 5:46 PM
>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>>> Subject: [MBZ] Say it ain't so!
>>>
>>>
>>>   Green machine: Plug-free electric cars' hidden cost
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn19246-green-machine-plugfree-e
>>> lect
>>> ric-cars-hidden-cost.html
>>>
>>> --R
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Re: [MBZ] Say it ain't so!

[Mitch Haley]

Walt Zarnoch wrote:

Most external burners have a built-in double/triple burn baffle
anyways, so as long as the local yocals don't throw in 10 Goodyears...



Exactly. The problems come from people who treat the OWB like a trash 
incinerator, or to a lesser extent those who burn wet unseasoned firewood or 
don't let the wood have enough oxygen to get good and hot.


The wood boiler I was referring to was not outdoor, you lose way too much heat 
that way. See pic below.





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