Re: [MBZ] ML320 status
OK Don wrote: OK -= Peter wins the prize - the fans were not running. No to slight Peter, who has contributed greatly to this thread, but I wonder who said this back on the 11th? Mitch Haley wrote: If it worked great yesterday, either you lost charge overnight, or perhaps the fan doesn't draw air through the condenser and the high pressure switch shuts it down when the condenser hits critical temp. Or the expansion valve suddenly became stuck or clogged? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Amsoil
Hi Gang -- I know we beat this subject to death once in a while - sorry to mention it again. M1 is getting harder and harder to find around here (Central Va) and I'm thinking about changing to Amsoil. Especially since M1 went to 5W-40 - I just don't like that low viscosity stuff. For Diesels pre-07 they offer a 15W40 which can go for 3X's the factory change interval. I'll probably go around 2X's the interval. I've tested some Amsoil thru my Oil Analysis business and it's always had excellent results. One customer drivers a 18 wheeler Tractor with over 400,000 miles on it and it still tests perfectly. IIRC he changes the filter every other test. Have any of you had good experience using Amsoil? Maybe we can limit the discussion to this topic? ;-) Thinking about using it in my '91 300D with 185K Miles Thx LarryT 91 300D In God We Trust ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300D no start after grease monkey messes with linkages
Fuse for the pre-glow relay failed, or the relay itself? -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rolf Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 9:16 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300D no start after grease monkey messes with linkages What year? Unhook the the linkage and see if it starts. If not try pulling the vac line for the shutoff element. I'm pretty sure the FSM will have the appropriate lengths... http://w124-zone.com/downloads/MB%20CD/W124/Index/602_603index.html One thing about diesels, without all that elecltricals wizardry no starts are alot easier to diagnose. -Rolf On 8/20/2010 8:19 PM, Hendrik Fay wrote: I already told them off for using aerostart, anyone know what's going on here? This is on a W124, not sure which year. I am guessing the linkages where not set properly and have asked for more information. Hendrik who don't know much about MB Diesel engines. Problem with 300D need advice http://ozbenz.net/viewtopic.php?f=6t=11081p=70735#p70687 Post http://ozbenz.net/viewtopic.php?p=70687#p70687by *falco878 http://ozbenz.net/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofileu=7368* Fri Aug 20, 2010 1:34 pm I have a problem with my 300D. I need some direction on resolving. I had the glow plugs were working extremely intermittently so I replaced them as a first step. This appeared to 'fix' the issue as the light came on when key was turned and started easily. During normal driving in city traffic the throttle linkage failed - broke completely, when car was being driven by wife. Duteously I went out and improvised the linkage connection with fencing wire to get car home. This was successful. I then had a young mechanic purchase and replace the throttle linkage. Since then the car has refused to start. We were initially able to start it by squirting aerostart into air inlet, but even when engine was hot it required application of areostart to start the engine. It now refuses to start at all. I loosened one of injectors and cranked the engine over, and small amount of diesel appears. What I am missing here ? Also if I need to have it taken to a shop, can anyone recommend a good shop in the East/SE are of Melbourne. Thanks User avatar http://ozbenz.net/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofileu=7368 falco878 http://ozbenz.net/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofileu=7368 *Posts:* 2 *Joined:* Fri Aug 20, 2010 1:17 pm * Private message http://ozbenz.net/ucp.php?i=pmmode=composeaction=quotepostp=70687 * E-mail falco878 http://ozbenz.net/memberlist.php?mode=emailu=7368 Top http://ozbenz.net/viewtopic.php?f=6t=11081p=70735#wrap ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New addition to the driveway
Lifter tick may be what you have, and the late Dr. M.B. often wrote that M1 oil would usually quiet that down; that has been my experience. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Tim C Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 8:49 PM To: Mercedes List Subject: [MBZ] New addition to the driveway The 240D hasn't left, but it's been replaced by an 87 300SDL. 310k, maintenance records up to 290k (10 years ago). Starts like a champ in the nice warm weather, and more power than a 77 NA 300D - guess that cylinder+turbo combo is good for something. :) Has a two-year-old head, cylinder+but I forgot how to tell if it was a good one; kind of doubt they'd have put a new bad one back on, though of course I'll check it out in the morning. Needs a new headlight, which I have, and some algae killer, which I also have; a windshield and front seats, which I may wait to get from the junkyard; and a bunch of maintenance items from Rusty, of course, for which it shall wait. I only have three days to get it past safety inspection so that's my first goal. :) Only odd things for which I presently seek counsel: 1) it ticks much worse than my 300D (and the PO put silicon tape around one of the fuel lines, guessing that's related), and 2) it idles at 2.5-ish bar when slightly warm - haven't gone hot yet. The manual says it can drop to 0.3bar - is that really true? Anyway, I'm excited, it seems like a good car for the money, and exactly what I wanted for size, comfort, and propulsion... as long as I can keep it reliable for a while we're set! :) As always thanks for any advice. Thanks, -Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ML320 status
I still don't like it sat at 30 for 5 minutes. Next time (if there is one) I recommend that you let it sit for at least 30 minutes, and also did you change the receiver drier? -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 10:05 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] ML320 status OK -= Peter wins the prize - the fans were not running. I chased down the ufse box, and found the F44 (30A) runs the aux fans. It is clearly blown - replaced it with the only 30A spare in the cover, and the AC seems to be working fine now! Yea! Re: para 1 below - after 2 hrs. of vacuum pumping, closed both valves, and it sat at 30 for 5 minutes -- Thanks for the comprehensive write-up. This will be filed for reference! On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 8:56 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote: I bought a gauge set a while back, and here's the way I do it. Vacuum applied via the center (yellow) hose with both high and low (red and blue) valves open. After an hour or so, close both valves and see what the low side pressure reading does. Must be at least 27 Hg, and stay there for at least half an hour with no needle movement. If you want to wait, it should hold with minimal change overnight, although you may get some slight pressure from water diffusing out of the dryer material. If it won't hold for 30 min with no change, it's not gonna hold refrigerant, either. May still leak under pressure but not vac, but that's a different issue. Once you get it to hold a good vacuum, turn off the pump, attache your freon source (can or tank), pressurize the yellow line, then unscrew it from the guage set enough to bleed air and freon off under pressure. 30 sec of audible hiss is enough, you don't want to blow the can out, just purge the air out of the line. I then invert the can and open the high pressure valve, allowing liquid freon to blow into the high side. Tons of room, after all, and you cannot get a slug of liquid into the compressor that way. Close the high pressure valve and leave it shut. Open the low pressure side and start the engine and switch on the AC. Pressure should rise on the high side and plummet on the low, usually drops well below 30 psi. Close the lower pressure valve when it gets low and the can is warm -- if it's freezing cold, you are still boiling freon. Close the low pressure valve, remove the can, attach another one, then puncture the seal and pressurize the line. Bleed off as for the first one, although if you are fast you won't need to . You can also crack the low pressure valve and bleed off at the can if you want. Open the low pressure valve and dip the can of freon in hot water. This will boil the freon out MUCH faster than letting it get cold! High pressure side should start around 100 psi or so and climb as the freon goes in. Once you get to 275 or so the low pressure line should be cold (not frozen) and cool air should be coming out of the vents. Won't be cold so long as you have freon in the can, usually 55 psi or so. Once that can is empty, the pressure should be around 250-275 on the high side in the summer and the low side 34-45 psi. You will get decent cooling, but need to add more freon, usually I do a guestimate partial can. High side should be no more than 350 if you have air flow, although it can climb above that. Fans come on around 275 or so, depending on temperature and circulation. If the fans are not on and the high side is 450, you have a defective high side switch or fan relay/fan/wiring. I believe the newer ones are high side safety, too, and will shut the compressor off if the temp or pressure is too high, check the wiring diagram. If this is the case, you don't have anything wrong with the AC, you have a bad fan cut-in switch, bad relay, or broken wire or dead fan. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1991 300E (for sale) 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Amsoil
Larry T wrote: I've tested some Amsoil thru my Oil Analysis business and it's always had excellent results. One customer drivers a 18 wheeler Tractor with over 400,000 miles on it and it still tests perfectly. IIRC he changes the filter every other test. I believe Amsoil is made by Mobil. I suspect that as M1 went from a group IV product to a group III/IV product that Amsoil may have stuck with group IV. Your semi rig sounds like it's using some sort of depth filter and not changing the oil? Any oil would perform well when kept extremely clean (but if I were not planning on changing the oil, I'd use the best I could buy too). Johnny Berryman became an Amsoil dealer when M1/Delvac1 became too much of a hassle to find several years ago when he was on this list or the Sexton list. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Amsoil
Larry - I've been thinking the same thing - if NAPA didn't have the M1 sale going on right now I'd be barking up the Amsoil tree. Maybe you should become the distro agent for this list? -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Larry T Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 6:37 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Amsoil Hi Gang -- I know we beat this subject to death once in a while - sorry to mention it again. M1 is getting harder and harder to find around here (Central Va) and I'm thinking about changing to Amsoil. Especially since M1 went to 5W-40 - I just don't like that low viscosity stuff. For Diesels pre-07 they offer a 15W40 which can go for 3X's the factory change interval. I'll probably go around 2X's the interval. I've tested some Amsoil thru my Oil Analysis business and it's always had excellent results. One customer drivers a 18 wheeler Tractor with over 400,000 miles on it and it still tests perfectly. IIRC he changes the filter every other test. Have any of you had good experience using Amsoil? Maybe we can limit the discussion to this topic? ;-) Thinking about using it in my '91 300D with 185K Miles Thx LarryT 91 300D In God We Trust ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Amsoil
Hi Mitch - Thanks for the comments - BTW, What makes you think Amsoil is owned by M1? Thanks Larry 91 300D In God We Trust -- From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 7:59 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil Larry T wrote: I've tested some Amsoil thru my Oil Analysis business and it's always had excellent results. One customer drivers a 18 wheeler Tractor with over 400,000 miles on it and it still tests perfectly. IIRC he changes the filter every other test. I believe Amsoil is made by Mobil. I suspect that as M1 went from a group IV product to a group III/IV product that Amsoil may have stuck with group IV. Your semi rig sounds like it's using some sort of depth filter and not changing the oil? Any oil would perform well when kept extremely clean (but if I were not planning on changing the oil, I'd use the best I could buy too). Johnny Berryman became an Amsoil dealer when M1/Delvac1 became too much of a hassle to find several years ago when he was on this list or the Sexton list. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Amsoil
Amsoil was known to purchase some/all of their basestocks from Mobil. I'd use the AME 15w-40 without hesitation. I've used their products in the past. Ran 50,000 miles in a VW TDI without an oil change - just a bypass filter. Brian -Original Message- From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 08:03:53 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil Hi Mitch - Thanks for the comments - BTW, What makes you think Amsoil is owned by M1? Thanks Larry 91 300D In God We Trust -- From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 7:59 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil Larry T wrote: I've tested some Amsoil thru my Oil Analysis business and it's always had excellent results. One customer drivers a 18 wheeler Tractor with over 400,000 miles on it and it still tests perfectly. IIRC he changes the filter every other test. I believe Amsoil is made by Mobil. I suspect that as M1 went from a group IV product to a group III/IV product that Amsoil may have stuck with group IV. Your semi rig sounds like it's using some sort of depth filter and not changing the oil? Any oil would perform well when kept extremely clean (but if I were not planning on changing the oil, I'd use the best I could buy too). Johnny Berryman became an Amsoil dealer when M1/Delvac1 became too much of a hassle to find several years ago when he was on this list or the Sexton list. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Amsoil
Larry T wrote: Hi Mitch - Thanks for the comments - BTW, What makes you think Amsoil is owned by M1? Made by Mobil for Amsoil, which has no production facility. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Amsoil
Hi Max - Good idea - I'm thinking about that - their oil is not cheap and becoming a distr helps a bit - I think the per/qt prices drops ~$2. for distributors - I could become a distributor and sell to the members of this list with a $1/qt discount. I'd make $1 and ya'll would save $1. My meager profit would pay the yearly distributor fee... Hm. Take care -- Larry In God We Trust -- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 8:00 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil Larry - I've been thinking the same thing - if NAPA didn't have the M1 sale going on right now I'd be barking up the Amsoil tree. Maybe you should become the distro agent for this list? -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Larry T Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 6:37 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Amsoil Hi Gang -- I know we beat this subject to death once in a while - sorry to mention it again. M1 is getting harder and harder to find around here (Central Va) and I'm thinking about changing to Amsoil. Especially since M1 went to 5W-40 - I just don't like that low viscosity stuff. For Diesels pre-07 they offer a 15W40 which can go for 3X's the factory change interval. I'll probably go around 2X's the interval. I've tested some Amsoil thru my Oil Analysis business and it's always had excellent results. One customer drivers a 18 wheeler Tractor with over 400,000 miles on it and it still tests perfectly. IIRC he changes the filter every other test. Have any of you had good experience using Amsoil? Maybe we can limit the discussion to this topic? ;-) Thinking about using it in my '91 300D with 185K Miles Thx LarryT 91 300D In God We Trust ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Amsoil
If the price is right, I need about 16 qts/year. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Larry T Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 8:19 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil Hi Max - Good idea - I'm thinking about that - their oil is not cheap and becoming a distr helps a bit - I think the per/qt prices drops ~$2. for distributors - I could become a distributor and sell to the members of this list with a $1/qt discount. I'd make $1 and ya'll would save $1. My meager profit would pay the yearly distributor fee... Hm. Take care -- Larry In God We Trust -- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 8:00 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil Larry - I've been thinking the same thing - if NAPA didn't have the M1 sale going on right now I'd be barking up the Amsoil tree. Maybe you should become the distro agent for this list? -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Larry T Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 6:37 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Amsoil Hi Gang -- I know we beat this subject to death once in a while - sorry to mention it again. M1 is getting harder and harder to find around here (Central Va) and I'm thinking about changing to Amsoil. Especially since M1 went to 5W-40 - I just don't like that low viscosity stuff. For Diesels pre-07 they offer a 15W40 which can go for 3X's the factory change interval. I'll probably go around 2X's the interval. I've tested some Amsoil thru my Oil Analysis business and it's always had excellent results. One customer drivers a 18 wheeler Tractor with over 400,000 miles on it and it still tests perfectly. IIRC he changes the filter every other test. Have any of you had good experience using Amsoil? Maybe we can limit the discussion to this topic? ;-) Thinking about using it in my '91 300D with 185K Miles Thx LarryT 91 300D In God We Trust ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Amsoil
Larry T wrote: I could become a distributor and sell to the members of this list with a $1/qt discount. I'd make $1 and ya'll would save $1. My meager profit would pay the yearly distributor fee... Do they drop-ship cases? Somebody buys a case of 4 gallons or whatever, and you have Amsoil ship it straight to them so you don't have to pay for shipping to you and to the end user? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Amsoil
Yes to drop ship. The cost of a 6 month dealer membership is $10 and for a year is $20. You can buy it online with your order. I think AME 15w40 came out to a cost of $24-25/gal when I considered it about 2 weeks ago. Brian -Original Message- From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 08:39:37 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil Larry T wrote: I could become a distributor and sell to the members of this list with a $1/qt discount. I'd make $1 and ya'll would save $1. My meager profit would pay the yearly distributor fee... Do they drop-ship cases? Somebody buys a case of 4 gallons or whatever, and you have Amsoil ship it straight to them so you don't have to pay for shipping to you and to the end user? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ML320 status
Ok Don wrote: Latest update - the AC still doesn't work. I ordered a new expansion valve amd reciever/dryer from Rusty, installed them today with new o-rings, pulled a vacuum for two hours, then added 24+ oz. of new R134a. It still does the same on for a few seconds, then off again. The pressures are reading 70-80 on the low side, and 400-450 on the high side. I don't know why the high side is up that much. I might break down and take it to someone who works on these regularly. My indy was telling me about problems he was having with these cars and a/c. I will call him this morning and ask him about this. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Amsoil
Brian Toscano wrote: Yes to drop ship. The cost of a 6 month dealer membership is $10 and for a year is $20. You can buy it online with your order. I think AME 15w40 came out to a cost of $24-25/gal when I considered it about 2 weeks ago. Cool. I'm happy with the $15-17 I've been paying for 5W40 Mobil at a local store this summer, but if I really wanted the best, or lived in one of the 40 states that don't have Meijer stores, I'd be interested in $24 Amsoil. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ML320 status
Ok Don wrote: OK -= Peter wins the prize - the fans were not running. I chased down the ufse box, and found the F44 (30A) runs the aux fans. It is clearly blown - replaced it with the only 30A spare in the cover, and the AC seems to be working fine now! Yea! Re: para 1 below - after 2 hrs. of vacuum pumping, closed both valves, and it sat at 30 for 5 minutes -- Thanks for the comprehensive write-up. This will be filed for reference! All right, nevermind. It sounds like you fixed it! Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Amsoil
Hi Max -- The 15W40 Syn Oil for older Diesels (pre-2007) is what I plan to use for my '91 300D. The price per qt looks like $8.35 retail, $6,35 my cost (as distributor), $7.35 your cost before shipping. They also sell filters but they only have Mann filters for us - our normal source may work better (Rusty) The Mann filters are $9.10 through Amsoil - will have to look at Rustys site to see price for his filters - ut IIRC they are cheaper. But the big advantage of Amsoil is a quality product and consistant inventory. Shipping is priced per pound. Will let everyone know if I sign up as a Distributor -- Take care - LarryT 91 300D In God We Trust -- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 8:27 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil If the price is right, I need about 16 qts/year. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Larry T Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 8:19 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil Hi Max - Good idea - I'm thinking about that - their oil is not cheap and becoming a distr helps a bit - I think the per/qt prices drops ~$2. for distributors - I could become a distributor and sell to the members of this list with a $1/qt discount. I'd make $1 and ya'll would save $1. My meager profit would pay the yearly distributor fee... Hm. Take care -- Larry In God We Trust -- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 8:00 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil Larry - I've been thinking the same thing - if NAPA didn't have the M1 sale going on right now I'd be barking up the Amsoil tree. Maybe you should become the distro agent for this list? -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Larry T Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 6:37 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Amsoil Hi Gang -- I know we beat this subject to death once in a while - sorry to mention it again. M1 is getting harder and harder to find around here (Central Va) and I'm thinking about changing to Amsoil. Especially since M1 went to 5W-40 - I just don't like that low viscosity stuff. For Diesels pre-07 they offer a 15W40 which can go for 3X's the factory change interval. I'll probably go around 2X's the interval. I've tested some Amsoil thru my Oil Analysis business and it's always had excellent results. One customer drivers a 18 wheeler Tractor with over 400,000 miles on it and it still tests perfectly. IIRC he changes the filter every other test. Have any of you had good experience using Amsoil? Maybe we can limit the discussion to this topic? ;-) Thinking about using it in my '91 300D with 185K Miles Thx LarryT 91 300D In God We Trust ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Sony GDM 20SE2T monitor available
Oy vey my back is acing just thinking about these. I had to pull 12 of these out of a wall, across drafting desks when I did some contract work for Southern Company. Even with two people the bulk of these, across the desk. Ow my back They really are top of the line, for color clarity unmatched on any LCD, these things are awesome! -Rolf On 8/22/2010 5:45 PM, Brian Toscano wrote: Anyone interested in a 1995-era Sony 20 display that takes both BNC and VGA inputs? I have the original box and manual. The left upper may be a bit non-perfect but it works and syncs to anything I've ever tried to use it with - Sun, SGI, PC's etc. Its just to big to keep around. My use of workstations at home has ended and if I was going to replace it, I'd get some kind of flat panel. Free to anyone who pays shipping. I think its about 80 lbs. Regards, Brian ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Amsoil
The price per qt looks like $8.35 retail, That's about what I paid per gallon for Delo last time. Just change it more often... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300D no start after grease monkey messes with linkages
On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au wrote: During normal driving in city traffic the throttle linkage failed - broke completely, when car was being driven by wife. Duteously I went out and improvised the linkage connection with fencing wire to get car home. This was successful. Those plastic throttle linkages on the OM60x engines are crap, to put it nicely, and fencing wire is probably an improvement. I doubt that's the problem. But there are lots of other important goodies in the same area of the engine that the suspect mechanic might have knocked loose or adjusted out of ignorance. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Sony GDM 20SE2T monitor available
I miss CRTs designed to sync to any resolution you fed them within reasonable parameters, like the original 15 NEC MultiSync which worked so well with the early Amigas and their weird video hardware. LCDs are an improvement in some ways, but not in the ghastly scaling that they try to do when you drive them at a non-native resolution. Alrc ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: malware contributes to airplane crash
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38790670/ns/technology_and_science-security/?gt1=43001 I'm not happy to see that there apparently is not some kind of tripwire-type alert if the avionics software has unauthorized modifications. This is going to start happening on cars too. Some malware will get introduced into a service computer at a dealership and then be spread to every vehicle that gets connected to it. Makes me glad to own a car without such nonsense. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New speakers
Yes, more or less. There are small grills on each kick panel in front and similar on the back window ledge. There is a grill in the center of the dash too but I really have no idea if there is a speaker in it or not on my car. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 8:07 AM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] New speakers Rears are easy because you can always make the hole bigger... Crutchfield says 5 1/4 same as the '78... They don't specify fronts and I don't know enough about 115s, I thought there was a big center speaker. If there are also side speakers they're probably 4 but you can just measure the grill and see whats close... -Curt Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 20:43:19 -0500 From: R A Bennell b...@mts.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] New speakers Message-ID: nhbblomcoljnegblbjcpeeapoiaa@mts.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Ok, my 76 115 300D needs speakers (and the radio installed since it now has a hole in the dash where it is supposed to be) but the speakers appear to be pretty small - at least in the front. I have wondered how easy it will be to find replacement. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 5:41 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] New speakers Dwight's '78 240D. I got the same size as the ones that were in it (that I don't think were original, theres no center control so I'm wondering if this had rear speakers) so it was a very easy swap. A week or so ago I'd swapped the 6 Alpines from Hammie in to see if the rear channel worked at all. The channel did but those speakers had about had it... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New addition to the driveway- M1 oil
Another oil question. I don't see much in heavier oil grades here but if I go south of the border, I see M1 in heavier grades like 15-50 (I think - if my memory is OK) or 15-40 but it does not seem to indicate that it is for diesels. I also saw M1 that said it was for turbo diesel trucks but I think it was something like 5-40. Do I dare use either o these in my old 115 non-turbo diesel? So far, I am just sticking with Rotella but I read somewhere that it is really not all that wonderful. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 5:34 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] New addition to the driveway Lifter tick may be what you have, and the late Dr. M.B. often wrote that M1 oil would usually quiet that down; that has been my experience. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Tim C Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 8:49 PM To: Mercedes List Subject: [MBZ] New addition to the driveway The 240D hasn't left, but it's been replaced by an 87 300SDL. 310k, maintenance records up to 290k (10 years ago). Starts like a champ in the nice warm weather, and more power than a 77 NA 300D - guess that cylinder+turbo combo is good for something. :) Has a two-year-old head, cylinder+but I forgot how to tell if it was a good one; kind of doubt they'd have put a new bad one back on, though of course I'll check it out in the morning. Needs a new headlight, which I have, and some algae killer, which I also have; a windshield and front seats, which I may wait to get from the junkyard; and a bunch of maintenance items from Rusty, of course, for which it shall wait. I only have three days to get it past safety inspection so that's my first goal. :) Only odd things for which I presently seek counsel: 1) it ticks much worse than my 300D (and the PO put silicon tape around one of the fuel lines, guessing that's related), and 2) it idles at 2.5-ish bar when slightly warm - haven't gone hot yet. The manual says it can drop to 0.3bar - is that really true? Anyway, I'm excited, it seems like a good car for the money, and exactly what I wanted for size, comfort, and propulsion... as long as I can keep it reliable for a while we're set! :) As always thanks for any advice. Thanks, -Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Sony GDM 20SE2T monitor available
Yep. You can pry a working Sony gdm-w900 from my dead hands (unless I can find a gdm-fw900 to replace it...) -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Aug 23, 2010, at 10:08, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: I miss CRTs designed to sync to any resolution you fed them within reasonable parameters, like the original 15 NEC MultiSync which worked so well with the early Amigas and their weird video hardware. LCDs are an improvement in some ways, but not in the ghastly scaling that they try to do when you drive them at a non-native resolution. Alrc ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New addition to the driveway- M1 oil
R A Bennell wrote: Another oil question. I don't see much in heavier oil grades here but if I go south of the border, I see M1 in heavier grades like 15-50 (I think - if my memory is OK) or 15-40 but it does not seem to indicate that it is for diesels. I also saw M1 that said it was for turbo diesel trucks but I think it was something like 5-40. Do I dare use either o these in my old 115 non-turbo diesel? So far, I am just sticking with Rotella but I read somewhere that it is really not all that wonderful. 5w40 TDT is supposed to be the same as Delvac One, one of the best synthetic lubes for heavy duty diesels. Way above spec for a car that asks for SE-CC or SE-CD. I've been buying it at Meijer for as little as $16 a gallon on sale this summer. ($19.99 sale price on a day I had a coupon for $4 off any item priced 19.97 or higher) 15w50 Mobil One, extended performance or regular, is good stuff too. Exceeds the diesel ratings that were in effect when your car was made. Multiple listers have reported excessive noise or oil consumption when using thinner than 5w40, like the much vaunted 0w40 for example. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New addition to the driveway- M1 oil
Thanks for your input. Mobile 1 was something like $21 in Fargo Wal Mart. I bought a couple of jugs of 5-20 to use in my F150 but did not buy any for the car. Will be in Grand Forks again in about a month so will pick some up then if they have it on the shelf. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 9:07 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] New addition to the driveway- M1 oil R A Bennell wrote: Another oil question. I don't see much in heavier oil grades here but if I go south of the border, I see M1 in heavier grades like 15-50 (I think - if my memory is OK) or 15-40 but it does not seem to indicate that it is for diesels. I also saw M1 that said it was for turbo diesel trucks but I think it was something like 5-40. Do I dare use either o these in my old 115 non-turbo diesel? So far, I am just sticking with Rotella but I read somewhere that it is really not all that wonderful. 5w40 TDT is supposed to be the same as Delvac One, one of the best synthetic lubes for heavy duty diesels. Way above spec for a car that asks for SE-CC or SE-CD. I've been buying it at Meijer for as little as $16 a gallon on sale this summer. ($19.99 sale price on a day I had a coupon for $4 off any item priced 19.97 or higher) 15w50 Mobil One, extended performance or regular, is good stuff too. Exceeds the diesel ratings that were in effect when your car was made. Multiple listers have reported excessive noise or oil consumption when using thinner than 5w40, like the much vaunted 0w40 for example. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 140 door panel removal
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: OK, how the heck do you remove the front door panels on a 140? Abandon hope all ye who enter here. Start by removing the screws at the latch cover, in the cutout on the top side of the armrest, and under the SRS tag on the door panel if you have one. The hard part is removing the wood panel that holds the seat adjustment buttons. Take a metal putty knife (plastic will break) and slide it between the wood and leather at the rear edge, in the middle. Slide it to the top and bottom to release the little tabs that hold it in place. Remove the screws behind the panel and then you sort of have to lift, push, pull, rotate, and sweet talk the panel to get it loose. Next, cuss as you break the plastic clips, and try again. This is one job that will really make you miss the 123 era. Tom P.S. It's easy the second time around ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 140 door panel removal
Because the tabs are broken off! --R On 8/23/10 1:01 PM, Thomas Savage wrote: The hard part is removing the wood panel that holds the seat adjustment buttons. Take a metal putty knife (plastic will break) and slide it between the wood and leather at the rear edge, in the middle. Slide it to the top and bottom to release the little tabs that hold it in place. Remove the screws behind the panel and then you sort of have to lift, push, pull, rotate, and sweet talk the panel to get it loose. Next, cuss as you break the plastic clips, and try again. This is one job that will really make you miss the 123 era. Tom P.S. It's easy the second time around ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 140 door panel removal
Rich Thomas wrote: Because the tabs are broken off! Naw, you just won't sweat quite as many bullets the next time. And who puts door panels back on with broken clips? Any true Mercedes jaloponist keeps a stock of door panel clips on hand. (M119 jaloponists will be wise to keep a spare ignition coil in the glovebox, too.) Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New addition to the driveway
I missed the beginning of this. The head number is easy enough its the 3rd grouping of numbers on the side. #14 is bad, #22 is good. I love the 603, so much more power than my 602. Mine needs new seats as well, I hear its pretty easy to pull the covers off and swap them. I would really like the 4 piece ones that were used in the 500E. -Rolf On 08/23/2010 07:33 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: Lifter tick may be what you have, and the late Dr. M.B. often wrote that M1 oil would usually quiet that down; that has been my experience. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Tim C Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 8:49 PM To: Mercedes List Subject: [MBZ] New addition to the driveway The 240D hasn't left, but it's been replaced by an 87 300SDL. 310k, maintenance records up to 290k (10 years ago). Starts like a champ in the nice warm weather, and more power than a 77 NA 300D - guess that cylinder+turbo combo is good for something. :) Has a two-year-old head, cylinder+but I forgot how to tell if it was a good one; kind of doubt they'd have put a new bad one back on, though of course I'll check it out in the morning. Needs a new headlight, which I have, and some algae killer, which I also have; a windshield and front seats, which I may wait to get from the junkyard; and a bunch of maintenance items from Rusty, of course, for which it shall wait. I only have three days to get it past safety inspection so that's my first goal. :) Only odd things for which I presently seek counsel: 1) it ticks much worse than my 300D (and the PO put silicon tape around one of the fuel lines, guessing that's related), and 2) it idles at 2.5-ish bar when slightly warm - haven't gone hot yet. The manual says it can drop to 0.3bar - is that really true? Anyway, I'm excited, it seems like a good car for the money, and exactly what I wanted for size, comfort, and propulsion... as long as I can keep it reliable for a while we're set! :) As always thanks for any advice. Thanks, -Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 81 300D filters FS
I have 2 air filters and 2 oil filter cartridges left over from my 81 300D days - 'forgot to pass 'em along to buyer of the car. 'Ordered from Rusty; still in boxes, of course. Somebody send me a check for $30 and I'll send, 'em to you Wilton Strickland 618 Park Ave. Goldsboro, NC 27530 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ML320 status
Quite true, and I ignored it due to the statement on the last AC service that the expansion valve needed to be replaced - On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 2:14 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: OK Don wrote: OK -= Peter wins the prize - the fans were not running. No to slight Peter, who has contributed greatly to this thread, but I wonder who said this back on the 11th? Mitch Haley wrote: If it worked great yesterday, either you lost charge overnight, or perhaps the fan doesn't draw air through the condenser and the high pressure switch shuts it down when the condenser hits critical temp. Or the expansion valve suddenly became stuck or clogged? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1991 300E (for sale) 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ML320 status
The FSM mentions an upgraded wiring harness for the fans, should the fuse blow too often. I need to see it this car was upgraded or not - shouldn't be hard, as they ran it parallel to the orginal, and tape it to the original wires! The radiator was replaced in the last year, so I hope it's not too buggy --- shouldn't be too much work to remove the fans and clean behind them though. Probably need to do it on all the cars . On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 9:17 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote: If the fan fuse blows again, replace the fan, too! Check to make sure it's not got a ton of smashed bugs behind the hub, that can drag on it something terrible. Also look for fun things like a dropped putty knife stopping the fan -- I did that once, great fun pulling up to customs with the radiator boiling merrily! Peter -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1991 300E (for sale) 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ML320 status
Haste makes Waste. - yes, usually I wait hours to watch for leaks, but I was hot and anxious. Yes - I also replaced the reciever/dryer, actually more work than the expansion valve due to location. I read in the FSM that this dryer has a molecular screen that lets refrigerent pass, but water molecules are too large! On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 6:52 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil wrote: I still don't like it sat at 30 for 5 minutes. Next time (if there is one) I recommend that you let it sit for at least 30 minutes, and also did you change the receiver drier? -Max -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1991 300E (for sale) 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ML320 status
So far, so good - it worked driving to work this AM, and taking the guys out at lunch. On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 7:52 AM, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote: Ok Don wrote: OK -= Peter wins the prize - the fans were not running. I chased down the ufse box, and found the F44 (30A) runs the aux fans. It is clearly blown - replaced it with the only 30A spare in the cover, and the AC seems to be working fine now! Yea! Re: para 1 below - after 2 hrs. of vacuum pumping, closed both valves, and it sat at 30 for 5 minutes -- Thanks for the comprehensive write-up. This will be filed for reference! All right, nevermind. It sounds like you fixed it! Donald H. Snook -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1991 300E (for sale) 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ML320 status
I'm thinking that Marshall's advice still applies to these new fangled blade fuses - I should just got ahead and replace all of them, BEFORE my pistons melt! On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 2:49 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: So far, so good - it worked driving to work this AM, and taking the guys out at lunch. On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 7:52 AM, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote: Ok Don wrote: OK -= Peter wins the prize - the fans were not running. I chased down the ufse box, and found the F44 (30A) runs the aux fans. It is clearly blown - replaced it with the only 30A spare in the cover, and the AC seems to be working fine now! Yea! Re: para 1 below - after 2 hrs. of vacuum pumping, closed both valves, and it sat at 30 for 5 minutes -- Thanks for the comprehensive write-up. This will be filed for reference! All right, nevermind. It sounds like you fixed it! Donald H. Snook -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1991 300E (for sale) 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 81 300D filters FS
WILTON wrote: I have 2 air filters and 2 oil filter cartridges left over from my 81 300D days - So those are non-turbo air filters? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] W123 300D will not shut off unless passenger door is locked
If I try to shut off the engine and the passenger door is unlocked, the engine does not quite shut off but instead goes into a a violently shaking, barely running condition. Also my door locks do not work unless the passenger door is locked. So does this conclusively indicate the passenger door mechanism, or could it be some other component in that circuit? Regardless of the passenger door lock, the system does not hold vacuum for more than a few seconds. E.g. if I unlock the drivers door more then a few seconds after stopping the engine, none of the other doors unlock. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 300D will not shut off unless passenger door is locked
Vacuum leak. Plug the circuit under the driver floormat one at a time to isolate and identify where the leak is. You can leave a golf tee in for a plug to close the leaking circuit until the repair is made. If I try to shut off the engine and the passenger door is unlocked, the engine does not quite shut off but instead goes into a a violently shaking, barely running condition. Also my door locks do not work unless the passenger door is locked. So does this conclusively indicate the passenger door mechanism, or could it be some other component in that circuit? Regardless of the passenger door lock, the system does not hold vacuum for more than a few seconds. E.g. if I unlock the drivers door more then a few seconds after stopping the engine, none of the other doors unlock. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 81 300D filters FS
Yes, non-turbo. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 81 300D filters FS WILTON wrote: I have 2 air filters and 2 oil filter cartridges left over from my 81 300D days - So those are non-turbo air filters? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Retrofit glowplugs
I do but I'm considering how much fun it'll be dealing with old stiff wires compared to new ones... The first step will be proving I can find the trigger wire from the ignition... -Curt Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 20:56:50 -0600 From: Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Retrofit glowplugs Message-ID: 20100822205650.e6ca1bdd.diese...@pisquared.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 18:03:25 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.buymbparts.biz/ShopByVehicle.epc?q=1974-Mercedes---40d-Engine--Electricalyearid=1974%40%401974makeid=63%40%40MERCEDES%40%40Xmodelid=16075%3AED|1130%3AMBC|1488%40%40240Dcatid=240798%40%40Engine+Electricalsubcatid=240809@@Glow+Plug+Kitmode=PD That looks like just the ticket. Does it come with instructions? Looks as though I'd hook one wire to the clipped wire I've got on the firewall (switched power presumably) and the other to ground... But you already have all the wiring and glow plug relay from Hammie, don't you? Why not use that and just buy the correct glow plugs? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Amsoil
I've played with Amsoil oil and its fine, I hate their '70s pyramid marketing system... I'd like to dispute your M1 assertion first, #1 they didn't Go to 5w40 both the 5w40 and 15w50 have been available for years. #2 at operating temperature 5w40 and 15w40 are THE SAME. Thats what the w40 means... When the engine is cold 5w40 will flow to the bearings more quickly because its thinner than 15w40. -Curt Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 06:36:50 -0400 From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Amsoil Message-ID: 75a0585e5b924844afee23a386036...@laptop Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Hi Gang -- I know we beat this subject to death once in a while - sorry to mention it again. M1 is getting harder and harder to find around here (Central Va) and I'm thinking about changing to Amsoil. Especially since M1 went to 5W-40 - I just don't like that low viscosity stuff. For Diesels pre-07 they offer a 15W40 which can go for 3X's the factory change interval. I'll probably go around 2X's the interval. I've tested some Amsoil thru my Oil Analysis business and it's always had excellent results. One customer drivers a 18 wheeler Tractor with over 400,000 miles on it and it still tests perfectly. IIRC he changes the filter every other test. Have any of you had good experience using Amsoil? Maybe we can limit the discussion to this topic? ;-) Thinking about using it in my '91 300D with 185K Miles Thx LarryT 91 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New addition to the driveway
I had that in my '85 190D 2.2l once. I forget what it had been in the shop for but it'd been started and shut off several times in quick succession. It was ~10 miles before that lifter quieted down and that was a car I'd been using M1 5w40 on for an extended interval at that time... I suspect conventional oil would clear out lifter tick too if you took the car on a long enough drive... -Curt Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 07:33:31 -0400 From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] New addition to the driveway Message-ID: 1370e90cffd2ac4b8cb65267ba10c4b80369d...@naeachrlez02v.nadsusea.nads.navy.mil Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Lifter tick may be what you have, and the late Dr. M.B. often wrote that M1 oil would usually quiet that down; that has been my experience. -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Amsoil
Isn't the change in M1's formulation an unfounded rumor? I seem to remember researching that some time ago (from another hotel room, I'm in Silver Spring, MD today) and having Mobil reply that M1 is a Group IV oil... -Curt Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 07:59:03 -0400 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil Message-ID: 4c726287.7040...@voyager.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Larry T wrote: I've tested some Amsoil thru my Oil Analysis business and it's always had excellent results. One customer drivers a 18 wheeler Tractor with over 400,000 miles on it and it still tests perfectly. IIRC he changes the filter every other test. I believe Amsoil is made by Mobil. I suspect that as M1 went from a group IV product to a group III/IV product that Amsoil may have stuck with group IV. Your semi rig sounds like it's using some sort of depth filter and not changing the oil? Any oil would perform well when kept extremely clean (but if I were not planning on changing the oil, I'd use the best I could buy too). Johnny Berryman became an Amsoil dealer when M1/Delvac1 became too much of a hassle to find several years ago when he was on this list or the Sexton list. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] New CLS
Some pics of the upcoming CLS. I like some of the styling bits on it. Not so sure about the whole package, but I do like it, as I think it gives a look at the design direction the next gen S Class may take. http://www.conceptcarz.com/z18687/Mercedes-Benz-CLS-Class.aspx Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Amsoil
Week before last Car Quest had Buy 4 get one free on Mobil 1. It was (IIRC) $7.20 a quart but: 4x $7.20 = $28.80 But you really get 5 quarts so your actual price is $28.80/5 = $5.76 Which is a per gallon price of $23.04 -Curt Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 08:51:51 -0400 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil Message-ID: 4c726ee7.6080...@voyager.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Brian Toscano wrote: Yes to drop ship. The cost of a 6 month dealer membership is $10 and for a year is $20. You can buy it online with your order. I think AME 15w40 came out to a cost of $24-25/gal when I considered it about 2 weeks ago. Cool. I'm happy with the $15-17 I've been paying for 5W40 Mobil at a local store this summer, but if I really wanted the best, or lived in one of the 40 states that don't have Meijer stores, I'd be interested in $24 Amsoil. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Amsoil
I was paying a little less for Car Quest house brand I was using in Hammie the '83 240D until a busted oil cooler line ended the low buck fun. However in the winter time I was having the occasional iffy start. Dwight's 240D (once I buy it) will get M1 5w40 for the winter to ensure easy peasy cold starts. Oh, it'll get a block heater too, the 5w40 is for returning home... -Curt Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 06:56:21 -0700 From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amsoil Message-ID: 35d1c1dc-aebe-11df-bf57-000502d9a...@windwireless.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed The price per qt looks like $8.35 retail, That's about what I paid per gallon for Delo last time. Just change it more often... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 140 door panel removal
I got the door panel off the parts car yesterday with no problem once I discovered it pops off, instead of having to slide up like the 126. I then discovered the window regular is RIVETED in. WTF? I guess by then they really cheapened things down and riveted in. I did a rear regulator on a 140 years ago, a 92, and I dont remember it being rivited in. Thomas Savage wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: OK, how the heck do you remove the front door panels on a 140? Abandon hope all ye who enter here. Start by removing the screws at the latch cover, in the cutout on the top side of the armrest, and under the SRS tag on the door panel if you have one. The hard part is removing the wood panel that holds the seat adjustment buttons. Take a metal putty knife (plastic will break) and slide it between the wood and leather at the rear edge, in the middle. Slide it to the top and bottom to release the little tabs that hold it in place. Remove the screws behind the panel and then you sort of have to lift, push, pull, rotate, and sweet talk the panel to get it loose. Next, cuss as you break the plastic clips, and try again. This is one job that will really make you miss the 123 era. Tom P.S. It's easy the second time around ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3089 - Release Date: 08/23/10 01:35:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New addition to the driveway- M1 oil
Any of the fancy names on any oil (Turbo Diesel Truck and Truck and SUV are a couple examples are just marketing BS, ignore them. Marshall said, and MB's qualifications confirm, that there are 3 weights of M1 considered acceptable in the 61x and 60x engines of the older cars (folks have been saying pre-07) they are, in increasing order of desirablity (Marshalls and my sentiment) oh and before anybody pitches a fit, yes I've tried all of them over many thousands of miles...: 0w40 15w50 5w40 I don't like the 0w40 as its so thin cold it'll tend to leak even in a relatively tight engine. The 15w50 is a good (maybe even great) oil and is nice in a slightly leaky engine as it'll tend to leak less. I like it in a largely highway driven 616 engine as 240Ds driven hard tend to consume some oil and they tend to do less with 15w50. I like the 5w40 the most because it makes for easier cold starts in seriously (-10f or colder) cold temps. My '85 190D used mostly 5w40 over ~90,000 miles and ran just great, the rest of the car fell apart around the engine. The 0w40 is probably better for extremely (-20f and colder) cold starts but even where I live thats only 1-2 times a year and 61x engines are going to be iffy at best starting that cold without auxiliary heat. 60x engines should still start at -20f without too much trouble and I consider the advantage in 0w40 outweighed by the disadvantage in leakage/consumption although I wouldn't hesitate to use it if 5w40 wasn't available. -Curt Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 09:50:35 -0500 From: R A Bennell b...@mts.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] New addition to the driveway- M1 oil Message-ID: nhbblomcoljnegblbjcpcecgoiaa@mts.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Another oil question. I don't see much in heavier oil grades here but if I go south of the border, I see M1 in heavier grades like 15-50 (I think - if my memory is OK) or 15-40 but it does not seem to indicate that it is for diesels. I also saw M1 that said it was for turbo diesel trucks but I think it was something like 5-40. Do I dare use either o these in my old 115 non-turbo diesel? So far, I am just sticking with Rotella but I read somewhere that it is really not all that wonderful. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 5:34 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] New addition to the driveway Lifter tick may be what you have, and the late Dr. M.B. often wrote that M1 oil would usually quiet that down; that has been my experience. -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New addition to the driveway- M1 oil
Oh one other note, 61x engines don't get the full advantage of synthetic oil because they'll tend to hit 2% soot load (MB's measure for when the oil needs changing) before you can really extend the change interval all that much. Such is not true with 60x engines. Last I tested the oil in my '85 190D was still considered good to go at 15,000 miles. I didn't want to spend a bunch of time testing so I stopped at 12,000 and called that good enough. Now with 2 new (to me) cars I get to play with testing all over again. My '83 240D leaked badly so I ran the cheapest oil I could get (right at the end that was Car Quest house brand 15w40). Now having Dwights 240D I'll test and see how long the M1 15w50 in it right now can last. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New addition to the driveway- M1 oil
Regardless of claims that the 0W-40 and the 15W-40 are the same when hot, my experience is that the engine was much noisier when hot when I tried the 0W-40 in my OM-617, it just sounded like the oil was thinner. Idle pressure was a bit lower too, compared to 15W-40. I like the 5W-40 also, but it's impossible to find around here, even in individual quarts, and forget about gallon or 5qt containers. Even 15W-50 is enough of a bother than I've gone back to using Chevron Delo which is cheap and easy to find anywhere. Allan On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 14:22 -0700, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Any of the fancy names on any oil (Turbo Diesel Truck and Truck and SUV are a couple examples are just marketing BS, ignore them. Marshall said, and MB's qualifications confirm, that there are 3 weights of M1 considered acceptable in the 61x and 60x engines of the older cars (folks have been saying pre-07) they are, in increasing order of desirablity (Marshalls and my sentiment) oh and before anybody pitches a fit, yes I've tried all of them over many thousands of miles...: 0w40 15w50 5w40 I don't like the 0w40 as its so thin cold it'll tend to leak even in a relatively tight engine. The 15w50 is a good (maybe even great) oil and is nice in a slightly leaky engine as it'll tend to leak less. I like it in a largely highway driven 616 engine as 240Ds driven hard tend to consume some oil and they tend to do less with 15w50. I like the 5w40 the most because it makes for easier cold starts in seriously (-10f or colder) cold temps. My '85 190D used mostly 5w40 over ~90,000 miles and ran just great, the rest of the car fell apart around the engine. The 0w40 is probably better for extremely (-20f and colder) cold starts but even where I live thats only 1-2 times a year and 61x engines are going to be iffy at best starting that cold without auxiliary heat. 60x engines should still start at -20f without too much trouble and I consider the advantage in 0w40 outweighed by the disadvantage in leakage/consumption although I wouldn't hesitate to use it if 5w40 wasn't available. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New addition to the driveway- M1 oil
I meant 5W-40 where I wrote 15W-40 in the first paragraph below. On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 17:31 -0400, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Regardless of claims that the 0W-40 and the 15W-40 are the same when hot, my experience is that the engine was much noisier when hot when I tried the 0W-40 in my OM-617, it just sounded like the oil was thinner. Idle pressure was a bit lower too, compared to 15W-40. I like the 5W-40 also, but it's impossible to find around here, even in individual quarts, and forget about gallon or 5qt containers. Even 15W-50 is enough of a bother than I've gone back to using Chevron Delo which is cheap and easy to find anywhere. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Amsoil
In theory you are right, that at operating temp, the oil should perform the same. In practice, it is a little different. The 0w-40 is made from a lower viscosity base than the 15w-40. 0w-40 is thinner at Op temp, and tends to create more lifter noise on OM60x engines. That is why Herr Doktor said not to use a 0w- or 5w- oil in OM60x or OM617 engines. I've played with Amsoil oil and its fine, I hate their '70s pyramid marketing system... I'd like to dispute your M1 assertion first, #1 they didn't Go to 5w40 both the 5w40 and 15w50 have been available for years. #2 at operating temperature 5w40 and 15w40 are THE SAME. Thats what the w40 means... When the engine is cold 5w40 will flow to the bearings more quickly because its thinner than 15w40. -Curt Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 06:36:50 -0400 From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Amsoil Message-ID: 75a0585e5b924844afee23a386036...@laptop Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Hi Gang -- I know we beat this subject to death once in a while - sorry to mention it again. M1 is getting harder and harder to find around here (Central Va) and I'm thinking about changing to Amsoil. Especially since M1 went to 5W-40 - I just don't like that low viscosity stuff. For Diesels pre-07 they offer a 15W40 which can go for 3X's the factory change interval. I'll probably go around 2X's the interval. I've tested some Amsoil thru my Oil Analysis business and it's always had excellent results. One customer drivers a 18 wheeler Tractor with over 400,000 miles on it and it still tests perfectly. IIRC he changes the filter every other test. Have any of you had good experience using Amsoil? Maybe we can limit the discussion to this topic? ;-) Thinking about using it in my '91 300D with 185K Miles Thx LarryT 91 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 94 S500 for sale cheap
If anybody wants this thing make me an offer. Thought I would put it out there in case anybody was interested before I put more work into it. http://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/1913527783.html -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New addition to the driveway- M1 oil
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I don't like the 0w40 as its so thin cold it'll tend to leak even in a relatively tight engine. My experience too in a few different engines, both MB diesels and lesser gassers. If you don't want a new addition ON your driveway as well as TO the driveway, avoid 0 weight anything. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Amsoil
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I've played with Amsoil oil and its fine, I hate their '70s pyramid marketing system... I heard some grizzled old-timer at a hot rod show refer to it as Amway oil once. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Sony GDM 20SE2T monitor available
I have the Samsung equivalent of this monitor. Bought it from a guy who sold refurb monitors at a local computer show back in 2003, I believe I paid $150. It is a beast of a monitor, but the clarity of the image can't be rivaled, IMHO. Dan --- On Mon, 8/23/10, Rolf r...@winmutt.com wrote: From: Rolf r...@winmutt.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Sony GDM 20SE2T monitor available To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Monday, August 23, 2010, 9:49 AM Oy vey my back is acing just thinking about these. I had to pull 12 of these out of a wall, across drafting desks when I did some contract work for Southern Company. Even with two people the bulk of these, across the desk. Ow my back They really are top of the line, for color clarity unmatched on any LCD, these things are awesome! -Rolf On 8/22/2010 5:45 PM, Brian Toscano wrote: Anyone interested in a 1995-era Sony 20 display that takes both BNC and VGA inputs? I have the original box and manual. The left upper may be a bit non-perfect but it works and syncs to anything I've ever tried to use it with - Sun, SGI, PC's etc. Its just to big to keep around. My use of workstations at home has ended and if I was going to replace it, I'd get some kind of flat panel. Free to anyone who pays shipping. I think its about 80 lbs. Regards, Brian ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 140 door panel removal
The 210's are too. And the door (inner panel) visibly flexes outwards when the window is fully closed... -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Aug 23, 2010, at 17:21, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: I got the door panel off the parts car yesterday with no problem once I discovered it pops off, instead of having to slide up like the 126. I then discovered the window regular is RIVETED in. WTF? I guess by then they really cheapened things down and riveted in. I did a rear regulator on a 140 years ago, a 92, and I dont remember it being rivited in. Thomas Savage wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: OK, how the heck do you remove the front door panels on a 140? Abandon hope all ye who enter here. Start by removing the screws at the latch cover, in the cutout on the top side of the armrest, and under the SRS tag on the door panel if you have one. The hard part is removing the wood panel that holds the seat adjustment buttons. Take a metal putty knife (plastic will break) and slide it between the wood and leather at the rear edge, in the middle. Slide it to the top and bottom to release the little tabs that hold it in place. Remove the screws behind the panel and then you sort of have to lift, push, pull, rotate, and sweet talk the panel to get it loose. Next, cuss as you break the plastic clips, and try again. This is one job that will really make you miss the 123 era. Tom P.S. It's easy the second time around ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3089 - Release Date: 08/23/10 01:35:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 140 door panel removal
Toxic byproduct of buying Chrysler, I think. Learned all the worst possible assembly habits. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 140 door panel removal
Peter Frederick wrote: Toxic byproduct of buying Chrysler, I think. Learned all the worst possible assembly habits. Not before 1998 they didn't. DaimlerChrysler was founded in 1998 when Mercedes-Benz manufacturer Daimler-Benz (1926–1998) of Stuttgart, Germany merged with the US-based Chrysler Corporation. The deal created a new entity, DaimlerChrysler. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New CLS
Hmmm - looks like a stretched out BMW Z4 with a Mercedes grill. On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 4:04 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: Some pics of the upcoming CLS. I like some of the styling bits on it. Not so sure about the whole package, but I do like it, as I think it gives a look at the design direction the next gen S Class may take. http://www.conceptcarz.com/z18687/Mercedes-Benz-CLS-Class.aspx Ed 300E -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1991 300E (for sale) 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Amsoil
I thought Herr Doktor siad the 5w-40 was fine, it was the 0W-40 that was not recommended. I'm using the 5w-40 in my 60x engines, and have not experienced lifter noise. I put 15w-50 in teh 300E to try to get the oil pressure reading above 0 at a hot idle, but it made no difference. I also remember that Amsoil is built on M1 stock, but with their won additive package. I would not hesitate to use it ig it were more available than M1. On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 4:30 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: In theory you are right, that at operating temp, the oil should perform the same. In practice, it is a little different. The 0w-40 is made from a lower viscosity base than the 15w-40. 0w-40 is thinner at Op temp, and tends to create more lifter noise on OM60x engines. That is why Herr Doktor said not to use a 0w- or 5w- oil in OM60x or OM617 engines. -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1991 300E (for sale) 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New addition to the driveway- M1 oil
Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com writes: On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I don't like the 0w40 as its so thin cold it'll tend to leak even in a relatively tight engine. My experience too in a few different engines, both MB diesels and lesser gassers. If you don't want a new addition ON your driveway as well as TO the driveway, avoid 0 weight anything. Have you ever had an older (more than 15 years or so) MB diesel that did NOT mark its territory at all? My 300D has always dripped a little bit, not enough to noticeably affect levels between changes, but a single drop will leave a mark on the driveway. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New addition to the driveway- M1 oil
My '87 300D is 24 years old and does not mark its territory. Well, sometimes, condensate drips from it, but that doesn't leave a black stain. Wilton - Original Message - From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] New addition to the driveway- M1 oil Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com writes: On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I don't like the 0w40 as its so thin cold it'll tend to leak even in a relatively tight engine. My experience too in a few different engines, both MB diesels and lesser gassers. If you don't want a new addition ON your driveway as well as TO the driveway, avoid 0 weight anything. Have you ever had an older (more than 15 years or so) MB diesel that did NOT mark its territory at all? My 300D has always dripped a little bit, not enough to noticeably affect levels between changes, but a single drop will leave a mark on the driveway. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] M1 on sale
...Week before last Car Quest had Buy 4 get one free on Mobil 1. It was (IIRC) $7.20 a quart but: 4x $7.20 = $28.80 But you really get 5 quarts so your actual price is $28.80/5 = $5.76... Local price was $6.99 a while back so I picked up sixteen quarts of 0W40 plus four free ones on the same deal. I use this in the C300 (8.3 qts) but went back to 15/50 M1 (Walmart) for the Porsche due to the increased ZDDP. The MB dealers here use 5W40 but 0W40 is also OK and is more likely to be on sale. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Amsoil
I have low oil pressure hot on the TE, but I suspect the sender, not the oil pressure. No lifter rattle, which those engines are prone to at any rate, so I don't believe the pressure is actually low. Just have to get out there on a day when it's less than 105 heat index and screw it in. The car lives on 10W 30 or 15W 50 M1. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New addition to the driveway- M1 oil
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 6:41 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: My '87 300D is 24 years old and does not mark its territory. Mine neither. The only leak on the engine is, I believe, from the seal around the bottom plate on the injection pump. Since that seal isn't replaceable in situ, and I'm not going to undertake RRing the pump just for that, it's going to stay leaking. But what little oil comes out doesn't make it to the ground that I've noticed (and, no, I don't have the plastic skid plates on my engine to catch drips---someone threw them away a long time ago, as usual). Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: Today's pooch for Woger
This might take care of Woger's pooch fix for the day. A good thing to do with your pooch. http://tinyurl.com/2auz9gh ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
