Re: [MBZ] New Snook Car!

2011-02-08 Thread Kevin Kraly
Is this the same 3.5L that was used in the Dodge Magnum?  It could be had 
with the crappy 2.7L as well.


Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon 



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Re: [MBZ] No cable

2011-02-08 Thread Jim Cathey
DSL, that ain't exactly a big ticket item as it uses the existing 
telephone lines and seems to work pretty well most of the time.


So long as you live within X distance of the switch
office.  Which we don't.  We live 12 minutes from a shopping
mall (10 from the freeway) and DSL doesn't come out this far,
not by a substantial margin!  No cable, either.

New, all-digital, TV _barely_ makes it here, once we put
an antenna that looks like a bedspring up on the roof.
Most days it works fine.

Urban thinking sucks.

We do happen to have wireless, courtesy of a BBQ-sized microwave
antenna and a 1W RF amplifier nailed to the side of the house.
And a lot of chainsaw work.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Digital images, PPI, etc.

2011-02-08 Thread Jim Cathey
So what is the quick and dirty solution (winders, mac, linux) to scale 
down images for emails, etc.?


On my Mac I use a script that can shrink from 1:1, 1:2, 1:4, 1:8, 1:16.
(The 1:1 is useful for eliminating EXIF, and re-encoding.)  The
script is attached.  It calls out the readily-available djpeg
and cjpeg tools (from the PBM utilities, I believe).  Would be
equally at home on Linux.

I usually just try scales until I get a file size I approve of
yet that doesn't ruin by overshrinking.

I used this script, inside another script, to process the
25 DVD's of images my dad sent me, the full-sized scans of
his lifetime of photography.  Got all of 'em on one CD, which
makes for easy and quick browsing.  (Easy to get out the big
ones if you want to make a print or look at detail.)

-- Jim

#!/bin/sh

# Script to shrink to 1/8 (1/64'th, actually) an overlarge camera JPEG.
# The scale factor can be changed.

if [ $# -lt 2 -o $# -gt 3 ]; then
   echo usage: "`basename $0` [] infile outfile  # Scale is 
2|4|8|16"

   exit 1
fi

SCALE=8
if [ $# -eq 3 ]; then
   SCALE=$1
   shift
fi

if [ $1 = $2 ]; then
   echo "`basename $0`: infile cannot be the same as outfile!"
   exit 1
fi

< $1 djpeg -scale 1/$SCALE | cjpeg > $2



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Re: [MBZ] No cable

2011-02-08 Thread Hendrik & Fay
Well that's odd, having been to the Chairmans palace I don't reckon he 
is living out the back of Woop Woop.
I can understand that not every place has cable, as the costs associated 
with laying cable are considerable but DSL, that ain't exactly a big 
ticket item as it uses the existing telephone lines and seems to work 
pretty well most of the time.


Hendrik
who has a DSL broadbanding thingy whatyoumacallit but can still remember 
the sound of the computer dialing up the internet way back in 1833


Dieselhead wrote:
 > ...The only broadband we have here in western suburbs of 
ChicagoArea is
 wireless Canopy system by Motorola - no cable or dsl covers this 
area...



So you have no cable tv? Everybody has a roof antenna?

RLE



Yessir, that is what Mao said:  "The only broadband we have here in 
western suburbs of ChicagoArea is

wireless Canopy system by Motorola - no cable or dsl covers this area."

There are vast quantities of the US of A that don't have cable or 
DSL.  In fact, there are vast expanses that don't have electricity or 
wired telephone.  Most of this area also does not have cell phone 
coverage either.


In Hawaii, we had lots of friends who lives "off the grid."  It 
inspired lots of American Ingenuity.


In my experience, cable will get to new territory before telephone.

x





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Re: [MBZ] Digital images, PPI, etc - was: Is there anybody here on the Ritter list?

2011-02-08 Thread Fmiser
> Rick Knoble wrote:

> So what is the quick and dirty solution (winders, mac, linux)
> to scale down images for emails, etc.?

I generally use about 1000 wide and 700 high for general
images.  If the person viewing might want to zoom in to get a
closer look at something, it might be better to use bigger
numbers. 

Probably any image editor can do the job.  If there is one you
are familiar with, check the help files for "resize" or "scale".


Linux command line: Imagemagick  (also available for MS Win
and probably Mac too)
"convert in.jpg -geometry 1000x700 out.jpg"
This will make the image fit within a 1000x700 box, but maintain
the aspect ratio. The real power is it easily do an entire
directory full of images.

Linux GUI:
the Gimp
krita

MS Win:
Irfanview
Image > Resize/Resample (ctrl+R)
Be sure "preserve aspect ratio" is check.
Set to whatever size you want, or choose a "common size" from
the right pane.

Mac:
GraphicConverter was an independent program, then bundled.  I
have no idea what it's status is now.  I know it can scale
(resize) 

The trick is not necessarily the tool, but how it's used.

Also, if it's just for general email and web, casual viewing,
setting the jpeg quality lower will save a bunch of bytes
too.   Unfortunately, there isn't a standard way of describing
the quality level.  Seems each software does it there own
way. 0-9, 1-100, 1-16, etc.

--Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Digital images, PPI, etc - was: Is there anybody here on the Ritter list?

2011-02-08 Thread Craig
On Tue, 8 Feb 2011 19:43:21 -0800 Rick Knoble 
wrote:

> 
> 
> > > Coming from a programming background I know exactly what
> > > you're saying here, but I'd bet most people do think of a
> > > reduction in dpi as meaning scaling down with a concomitant
> > > reduction in image file size, because that's the way Photoshop
> > > does it.
> 
> So what is the quick and dirty solution (winders, mac, linux) to scale
> down images for emails, etc.?

Gimp.

Open picture. Pull down "Image", select "Scale Image". Shown is "Image
Size" with "Width:" and "Height:". Make sure link on left side of width
and height boxes is intact, and type desired size in one of the boxes.
Hit the tab key and notice that the other number is changed
proportionally. Click "Scale" button in lower right. Save image at
changed size.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Is there anybody here on the Ritter list?

2011-02-08 Thread Walt Zarnoch
Make that three.
On Feb 8, 2011 11:09 PM, "Craig"  wrote:
> On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 13:53:25 -0500 "Allan Streib" 
> wrote:
>
>> Of course I'm one of the old luddites who thinks HTML has no place in
>> email, either.
>
> That makes two of us.
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] No cable

2011-02-08 Thread Dieselhead

 > ...The only broadband we have here in western suburbs of ChicagoArea is

 wireless Canopy system by Motorola - no cable or dsl covers this area...


So you have no cable tv? Everybody has a roof antenna?

RLE



Yessir, that is what Mao said:  "The only broadband we have here in 
western suburbs of ChicagoArea is

wireless Canopy system by Motorola - no cable or dsl covers this area."

There are vast quantities of the US of A that don't have cable or 
DSL.  In fact, there are vast expanses that don't have electricity or 
wired telephone.  Most of this area also does not have cell phone 
coverage either.


In Hawaii, we had lots of friends who lives "off the grid."  It 
inspired lots of American Ingenuity.


In my experience, cable will get to new territory before telephone.

x

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Re: [MBZ] Is there anybody here on the Ritter list?

2011-02-08 Thread Craig
On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 13:53:25 -0500 "Allan Streib" 
wrote:

> Of course I'm one of the old luddites who thinks HTML has no place in
> email, either.

That makes two of us.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] No cable

2011-02-08 Thread RELNGSON
> ...The only broadband we have here in western suburbs of ChicagoArea is
> wireless Canopy system by Motorola - no cable or dsl covers this area...
> 
So you have no cable tv? Everybody has a roof antenna?

RLE
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Digital images, PPI, etc - was: Is there anybody here on the Ritter list?

2011-02-08 Thread Rick Knoble


>> Coming from a programming background I know exactly what
>> you're saying here, but I'd bet most people do think of a
>> reduction in dpi as meaning scaling down with a concomitant
>> reduction in image file size, because that's the way Photoshop
>> does it.

So what is the quick and dirty solution (winders, mac, linux) to scale down 
images for emails, etc.?

Rick
Who knows a little about digital imaging

  
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Re: [MBZ] Digital images, PPI, etc - was: Is there anybody here on the Ritter list?

2011-02-08 Thread Rick Knoble


> > Coming from a programming background I know exactly what
> > you're saying here, but I'd bet most people do think of a
> > reduction in dpi as meaning scaling down with a concomitant
> > reduction in image file size, because that's the way Photoshop
> > does it.

So what is the quick and dirty solution (winders, mac, linux) to scale down 
images for emails, etc.?

Rick
Who knows a little about digital imaging

  
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Re: [MBZ] Is there anybody here on the Ritter list?

2011-02-08 Thread Rick Knoble

> mao wrote

> The only broadband we have here in western suburbs of ChicagoArea is
> wireless Canopy system by Motorola - no cable or dsl covers this area.
>
> The story yesterday about AOL's purchase of HuffingtonPost said that
> the majority of AOL money comes from people paying for AOL dial-up
> service.

Are you on dial up?

Rick
  
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Re: [MBZ] New Snook Car!

2011-02-08 Thread Jim Cathey

Unfortunately there didn't seem to be any way to
do it under Oregon law without becoming a licensed dealer.


As a Mediator?

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Is there anybody here on the Ritter list?

2011-02-08 Thread Fred Moir

Mitch, et al.
I'm no expert, wouldn't the correct term be supplicant? As per " on ones 
knees?"

Sorry. Bloody minded of me I know.

Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred


On 2/8/2011 6:49 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

Rich Thomas wrote:

How does one go about becoming a Ritterite?


I think you have to apply for it, like applying to the Humane Society 
for the right to 'adopt' somebody else's unwanted pet.


I never got a response to me application nine years ago, that's how I 
ended up here. I think the applicant is supposed to tell him that they 
bought it new and don't know enough about mechanicals to ever dispute 
anything he says.


Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] New Snook Car!

2011-02-08 Thread LWB250
It's easier than you think.

1.) Know your price BEFORE you go. Do your research/due diligence.

2.) Be realistic. The dealer has to make a living, too.

3.) Most important: Be willing to walk away.

Number three is the most important. Dealers will play on your emotions. Being 
willing to walk no matter what the case is your leverage.  If they are willing 
to let you walk, do some more research, as you may not be realistic in your 
price.

I once bought a Chevy Suburban that took four trips to the dealer and over a 
week to close the deal.  My last car was $300 away from the price I wanted. I 
got up and walked away. Before I was at the door I had a deal.

I love buying cars - I got the bug from my Dad, who was an executive VP for 
General Motors in the 60s. He always had program cars, but bought cars for my 
Mom.  I got to go along and watch/listen. He considered it great sport.

Dan


--- On Tue, 2/8/11, Rich Thomas  wrote:

> From: Rich Thomas 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] New Snook Car!
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Date: Tuesday, February 8, 2011, 10:21 AM
> Damn!  I think i want your wife
> to go with me on my next car-buying 
> expedition.
> 
> --R




 

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Re: [MBZ] Is there anybody here on the Ritter list?

2011-02-08 Thread Mountain Man
Alex wrote:
> Depending whose statistics you believe, somewhere between 40-70% of
> the US (by population, not area!) has no broadband access.

The only broadband we have here in western suburbs of ChicagoArea is
wireless Canopy system by Motorola - no cable or dsl covers this area.

The story yesterday about AOL's purchase of HuffingtonPost said that
the majority of AOL money comes from people paying for AOL dial-up
service.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Digital images, PPI, etc - was: Is there anybody here on the Ritter list?

2011-02-08 Thread Fmiser
> Alex Chamberlain wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Fmiser 
> wrote:

> > So I'm picking on Alex a bit. *smiles*   But changing the DPI
> > won't help make huge images smaller.  _Scaling_ the images
> > so it is composed of fewer pixels is what's needed.
> 
> Coming from a programming background I know exactly what
> you're saying here, but I'd bet most people do think of a
> reduction in dpi as meaning scaling down with a concomitant
> reduction in image file size, because that's the way Photoshop
> does it.

It's been a lot of years since I used Photoshop...

> Arguably this behavior muddies the issue

Yeah!  I'll say!  But just because it's common doesn't make it
right. (Microsoft/Adobe - do you hear me!??!!)

So DPI (probably should be calling it PPI) is really not the
issue, even if it's what Photoshop thinks we should adjust.
It's still the total number of pixels.

More info:
http://www.rideau-info.com/photos/mythdpi.html
http://www.scantips.com/no72dpi.html
http://www.johnny-pixel.com/avm/dpi_confusion.php
http://blog.fotolia.com/us/faq/buyer/dpi-_digital_photography-_phot.html
http://www.webdesignerdepot.com/2010/02/the-myth-of-dpi/
http://www.sanbornsoftware.com/my-digital.html
http://photo.net/equipment/digital/basics/ (2/3 way down the page)

-- Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Is there anybody here on the Ritter list?

2011-02-08 Thread Mitch Haley

Rich Thomas wrote:

How does one go about becoming a Ritterite?


I think you have to apply for it, like applying to the Humane Society for the 
right to 'adopt' somebody else's unwanted pet.


I never got a response to me application nine years ago, that's how I ended up 
here. I think the applicant is supposed to tell him that they bought it new and 
don't know enough about mechanicals to ever dispute anything he says.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Is there anybody here on the Ritter list?

2011-02-08 Thread Rich Thomas

How does one go about becoming a Ritterite?

--R

On 2/8/2011 4:54 PM, Dieselhead wrote:

"a bit absurd these
days.

Jaime
-currently using 3249mb of 7549mb gmail gives me for free"



Uh, we are talking about the Ritterlist, so absurd is the normal 
description of the admin detail over there.  Why would/should anyone 
expect anything less from them?


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Re: [MBZ] Is there anybody here on the Ritter list?

2011-02-08 Thread R A Bennell
What really amazes me is that they appear to be proud of the fact that 
they have deliberately chosen to not move ahead. I suppose it may be a 
bit like choosing to drive a mid 70's MB diesel - eccentric to say the 
least. BUT as I suggested to them, photos really help to explain things 
in so many cases and people are often unwilling to go through the 
process of putting the photo on a hosting site so that they can send a 
link. I much prefer the way it works on here.


Randy


On 08/02/2011 3:54 PM, Dieselhead wrote:

"a bit absurd these
days.

Jaime
-currently using 3249mb of 7549mb gmail gives me for free"



Uh, we are talking about the Ritterlist, so absurd is the normal 
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Re: [MBZ] Is there anybody here on the Ritter list?

2011-02-08 Thread Dieselhead

"a bit absurd these
days.

Jaime
-currently using 3249mb of 7549mb gmail gives me for free"



Uh, we are talking about the Ritterlist, so absurd is the normal 
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Re: [MBZ] Is there anybody here on the Ritter list?

2011-02-08 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Fmiser  wrote:
> So I'm picking on Alex a bit. *smiles*   But changing the DPI
> won't help make huge images smaller.  _Scaling_ the images so it
> is composed of fewer pixels is what's needed.
>

Coming from a programming background I know exactly what you're saying
here, but I'd bet most people do think of a reduction in dpi as
meaning scaling down with a concomitant reduction in image file size,
because that's the way Photoshop does it.  I.e., say you have an image
that prints out at 4x6" on your inkjet printer; go to the "resize"
dialog in Photoshop and tell it to change the dpi from 300 to 100 and
you'll get a file that looks the same on the screen and prints out the
same size, but is one-ninth the size in kB, and nine times more
pixellated.  Arguably this behavior muddies the issue, but things have
been this way at least since the very first Macs, when the little
72-pixel-per-inch screen was a selling point just because it meant
that on-screen image size corresponded exactly to printed image size
(on the 72-dpi ImageWriter dot-matrix printer); when the first
LaserWriter came along, I remember discussions of how 72-dpi bitmapped
clip art and fonts were ugly when scaled up to the LaserWriter's
native 300 dpi, and how a 300-dpi bitmap, on the other hand, looked
good on both screen and paper (with, again, the implicit premise that
a change in dpi could affect file size without affecting "eyeball"
size).

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Is there anybody here on the Ritter list?

2011-02-08 Thread Walt Zarnoch
I like the system in use here, simple, compact, low overhead.

My only gripe is it mangles the file names.

Walt

On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:
> Jaime Kopchinski wrote:
>>
>> Its 2011... I can't believe this is still true.  Dial up maybe, but having
>> a
>> limited mailbox size that can't handle a few pictures is a bit absurd
>> these
>> days.
>
> If somebody doesn't crop the pics from a modern camera, it could be a few
> pics at 2mB each plus overhead. I don't know if anybody still has 5mB
> mailbox limits or not. I think my limit at core.com is 25mB per email
> address.
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] New Snook Car!

2011-02-08 Thread Mitch Haley

Alex Chamberlain wrote:

I once briefly entertained the idea of starting a business as a
buyer's agent for car shoppers who didn't want to go through the
negotiation process.


We have licensed brokers here in Michigan, who are not allowed to take custody 
of the title, they just negotiate the deal. I can remember reading a tale of 
somebody who shopped heavily for a car, then let a broker give it a try. The 
broker came in about $1000 lower, and delivered the car to the buyer's driveway.
The buyer couldn't figure out why the dealer refused to come within $1000 of the 
broker's price after the broker added his fee to the brokerage price from the 
same dealer.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Is there anybody here on the Ritter list?

2011-02-08 Thread Mitch Haley

Jaime Kopchinski wrote:

Its 2011... I can't believe this is still true.  Dial up maybe, but having a
limited mailbox size that can't handle a few pictures is a bit absurd these
days.


If somebody doesn't crop the pics from a modern camera, it could be a few pics 
at 2mB each plus overhead. I don't know if anybody still has 5mB mailbox limits 
or not. I think my limit at core.com is 25mB per email address.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Is there anybody here on the Ritter list?

2011-02-08 Thread Fmiser
> Alex Chamberlain wrote:

> It doesn't help that most people can't be bothered to learn
> how to resize the huge files from their umpteen-megapixel
> cameras down to a reasonable dpi for onscreen viewing.

Boy, _that's_ the truth!

But now it's time for a lesson on computer images.

"DPI" (dots per inch) or "PPI" (pixels per inch) is a useless
number EXCEPT if there is a piece of paper involved.  In other
words, for printers and scanners only.  It can be helpful when
dealing with documents that will be print - say, putting a photo
on a layout for a page to be printed.

For digital cameras and computer monitors it is useless -
because there is no way to measure an inch!  While the image is
electronic, all that matters is number of pixels.  1600 px wide
image is 1600 px.  If you print it with a resolution of 1600
DPI, it will be one inch wide.  If you print it at a resolution
of 160 DPI it will be 10 inches wide.  If you don't print it,
the DPI is just a tag that rides along with the image and
nothing more.  

If your computer is set to 1600 px wide, it doesn't matter if
it's a 3" screen or a 20 foot screen the 1600 px image will fill
the 1600 px screen. (if the view program is set to show (zoomed to)
one pixel per pixel)

So I'm picking on Alex a bit. *smiles*   But changing the DPI
won't help make huge images smaller.  _Scaling_ the images so it
is composed of fewer pixels is what's needed.

--   Philip, image pro - now off his soapbox

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Re: [MBZ] New Snook Car!

2011-02-08 Thread Mitch Haley

Donald Snook wrote:

Finally, they ended up selling their car for $15,900 and giving us $4400 for 
the expedition.


Sounds like they wanted 15.9 for the Charger to preserve their commission, and 
the commission structure was such that they could screw the used car manager out 
of $1400? I wonder if that kills the commission for whoever sells your Ex.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Is there anybody here on the Ritter list?

2011-02-08 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 9:07 AM, Jaime Kopchinski  wrote:
> Its 2011... I can't believe this is still true.  Dial up maybe, but having a
> limited mailbox size that can't handle a few pictures is a bit absurd these
> days.

Depending whose statistics you believe, somewhere between 40-70% of
the US (by population, not area!) has no broadband access.  Not much
point having a big mailbox if you can still only download stuff from
it at 56kbps max.  It doesn't help that most people can't be bothered
to learn how to resize the huge files from their umpteen-megapixel
cameras down to a reasonable dpi for onscreen viewing.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] New Snook Car!

2011-02-08 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 10:44 AM, WILTON  wrote:
> Maybe she could be an agent for each of us when needed.
>

I once briefly entertained the idea of starting a business as a
buyer's agent for car shoppers who didn't want to go through the
negotiation process.  The idea was to charge a flat fee, so that there
would be no conflict of interest (as there is with so-called "buyer's
agents" in real estate, who are still paid on commission), and
guarantee that I would buy the exact car the customer wanted for a
given price or less.  Unfortunately there didn't seem to be any way to
do it under Oregon law without becoming a licensed dealer.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] New Snook Car!

2011-02-08 Thread Allan Streib
Something you all might be interested in, if you haven't heard of it:

http://carwoo.com/

You register, indicate what car you are shopping for, and dealers bid against 
each other to offer you the best price.

I think for free you get three bids, you can pay a fee and you will get more 
bids.

They claim to save an average of $5000 off MSRP.

Note, it's for new cars only, at the current time.  I have not used it but have 
heard through the grapevine that people like it.

I think most of us on this list are used-car buyers, but for those who might 
want (or SWMBO wants) a new car, might be worth a try.

Allan



On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 13:44 -0500, "WILTON"  wrote:
> Maybe she could be an agent for each of us when needed.
> 
> Wilton
> 

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Re: [MBZ] Is there anybody here on the Ritter list?

2011-02-08 Thread Allan Streib
Links to attachments are better.  You can always download from the link
if you want a local copy for some reason.

We went through this about a year ago right?  Kaleb allowed attachments
for a while and the list seemed to prefer the current method.

Of course I'm one of the old luddites who thinks HTML has no place in
email, either.

Allan


On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 12:07 -0500, "Jaime Kopchinski"  wrote:
> Its 2011... I can't believe this is still true.  Dial up maybe, but
> having a limited mailbox size that can't handle a few pictures is a
> bit absurd these days.
>
> Jaime -currently using 3249mb of 7549mb gmail gives me for free
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:
>
> > Direct posting of megabytes of photos would be a serious issue to
> > anybody with limited mailbox size or dial-up connection.
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] New Snook Car!

2011-02-08 Thread WILTON

Maybe she could be an agent for each of us when needed.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Rich Thomas" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] New Snook Car!


Damn!  I think i want your wife to go with me on my next car-buying 
expedition.


--R

On 2/8/2011 10:12 AM, Donald Snook wrote:
Kaleb wrote: "You traded in the Exploder?  If so, you could have got way 
more

selling it on your own."

It was an Expedition (big sucker). I don't think we could have done 
better, actually.  It had 150,000 miles and the ABS light was on. Plus, 
we got them way down on the Charger and my wife was a master negotiator 
on the trade.  We originally looked at a 2008 Charger. They wanted 
$16,900 (which is way too much). We got them down to $15,000 and they 
offered $2500 for the Expedition.  I had a dealer friend of mine check 
the manheim auctions and the Expedition was going for $3000. We couldn't 
make a deal on the 08 Charger for the $250 payment my wife wanted.  So, 
we called another dealer right from the showroom and found a 2010 for 
$16,900.  They started falling all over themselves to make a deal. 
Finally they showed us the car we bought. They had it priced at $17,900. 
Edmunds prices it at $19,000.  I think that's a little high. NADA shows 
$17,900. Kelly Bluebook $19,300. Also, it was a certified used. That 
doesn't do anything for me immeadiately because its still under factory 
warranty. But, it increases the powertrain warranty.


Anyway, they told us they would sell it for $15,900 and give us $3000 for 
our Expedition.  We said no.  My wife was awesome.  She kept saying, the 
payment has to be $250 a month and we won't go longer on the loan.  They 
got it to within $8 and she still said no. We were there for almost 5 
hours.  Finally, they ended up selling their car for $15,900 and giving 
us $4400 for the expedition.  I had a potential buyer for my car for 
$5000. But, I don't think I could have got them down their car if I 
didn't have a trade.


Either way, we feel like we got a great deal. And most importantly, my 
wife is happy.  When she is happy, that means she won't be so eagle-eyed 
about my cars.  So, in other words, she has a nice car and now I can get 
back to my car buying/selling fun.



Donald H. Snook


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Re: [MBZ] Is there anybody here on the Ritter list?

2011-02-08 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
Its 2011... I can't believe this is still true.  Dial up maybe, but having a
limited mailbox size that can't handle a few pictures is a bit absurd these
days.

Jaime
-currently using 3249mb of 7549mb gmail gives me for free



On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Direct posting of megabytes of photos would be a serious issue to anybody
> with limited mailbox size or dial-up connection.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Is there anybody here on the Ritter list?

2011-02-08 Thread R A Bennell
It was I who brought the matter up over there. They seem to take pride 
in being dinosaurs.


Randy

On 07/02/2011 5:42 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
There has been much discussion lately over there about posting photos 
to their list.  Its such a big deal according to the list admins 
there.  If somebody is not that list you should point out that the 
okiebenz.com list allows photos, its a regular thing.



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Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp?

2011-02-08 Thread Peter Frederick
Mine's a 603, 87 300D, but you can pull basic codes from the code reader 
socket.  I believe there is a procedure using the front panel on the later 
models, but I'm not sure if that applies to W210 and later only or later model 
W124s.

Peter


-Original Message-
>From: Max Dillon 
>Sent: Feb 8, 2011 10:27 AM
>To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp?
>
>Really!  I'd love to be able to pull codes for the HVAC, if that is indeed 
>possible.  If you know how, please share!
>
>-Max
>
>
>
>
>
>From: Peter Frederick 
>To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>Sent: Tue, February 8, 2011 11:22:54 AM
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp?
>
>Most likely a bad temperature sensor thermistor or a bad connection of the 
>PBCU 
>-- I need to resolder the one in my mom's TE.  I think the connections at the 
>large connectors on the sides have cracked, as I get constant clicking from 
>the 
>vacuum control solenoid as it switches modes.
>
>You should be able to pull trouble codes from a 95.
>
>Peter
>
>
>-Original Message-
>>From: Max Dillon 
>>Sent: Feb 8, 2011 10:04 AM
>>To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>>Subject: Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp?
>>
>>Thanks Peter.  Now that I've been paying attention to it, I realize that 
>>sometimes the blower fan kicks in regardless of very cold coolant 
>>temperature, 
>>so I've got some HVAC troubleshooting in my future.  The fan also seems to go 
>>to 
>>
>>high and stay there, so maybe the PBU is the culprit.
>>
>>-Max
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>From: Peter Frederick 
>>To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>>Sent: Mon, February 7, 2011 11:42:36 PM
>>Subject: Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp?
>>
>>That is my experience as well.  Heater blower kicks on loud enough to hear 
>>about 
>>
>>a mile and a half from the house.
>>
>>Peter
>>
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Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp?

2011-02-08 Thread Max Dillon
Really!  I'd love to be able to pull codes for the HVAC, if that is indeed 
possible.  If you know how, please share!

-Max





From: Peter Frederick 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Sent: Tue, February 8, 2011 11:22:54 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp?

Most likely a bad temperature sensor thermistor or a bad connection of the PBCU 
-- I need to resolder the one in my mom's TE.  I think the connections at the 
large connectors on the sides have cracked, as I get constant clicking from the 
vacuum control solenoid as it switches modes.

You should be able to pull trouble codes from a 95.

Peter


-Original Message-
>From: Max Dillon 
>Sent: Feb 8, 2011 10:04 AM
>To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp?
>
>Thanks Peter.  Now that I've been paying attention to it, I realize that 
>sometimes the blower fan kicks in regardless of very cold coolant temperature, 
>so I've got some HVAC troubleshooting in my future.  The fan also seems to go 
>to 
>
>high and stay there, so maybe the PBU is the culprit.
>
>-Max
>
>
>
>
>
>From: Peter Frederick 
>To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>Sent: Mon, February 7, 2011 11:42:36 PM
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp?
>
>That is my experience as well.  Heater blower kicks on loud enough to hear 
>about 
>
>a mile and a half from the house.
>
>Peter
>
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Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp?

2011-02-08 Thread Max Dillon
Thanks Peter - if you're seeing similar behavior with you OM606 then I feel 
better.  I've got plenty of other parts I need to change, don't need to add to 
the list...

-Max





From: Peter Frederick 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Sent: Tue, February 8, 2011 11:20:31 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp?

Not only do they warm up slowly, but if you get stuck sitting somewhere (like 
for a slow train crossing) in bitter cold weather, they will cool off while you 
are stopped!

A bad t-stat usually shows up as an engine that never gets up to operating temp 
in the winter (80C).  My first 300D had a bad one, ran fine in the summer, but 
once fall got here, the temp would never get up to 80.

Peter


-Original Message-
>From: Max Dillon 
>Sent: Feb 8, 2011 9:55 AM
>To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp?
>
>As in coolant circulating pump?  Yes.  My question arises due to the 
>difference 

>in engine temperature (gauge) behavior, not in how quickly heat is produced in 
>the passenger compartment.
>
>I'm suspicious of my t-stat, but I'd like confirmation from some other owners 
>that long warm-up compared to a OM603 turbo is normal.
>
>-Max
>
>
>
>
>
>From: Gerry Archer 
>To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>Sent: Mon, February 7, 2011 10:11:20 PM
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp?
>
>Does it have an auxiliary pump like a 123?
>Gerry
>
>From: "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com>
>>I know the OM603 is slower to warm up than the iron head Diesels.  It is 
>>because the engine is more thermally efficient.  It might make sense that 
>>the 606 takes a little longer.  But those with 606s are in a better 
>>position to answer.  I've never driven one.
>>
>> x
>>
>>
>>>Dieselvolk,
>>>
>>>I've been driving my '95 E300 quite a bit now that I've got most of the 
>>>big
>>>issues sorted out, but it really seems to take a long time to warm up 
>>>(compared
>>>to my '87 300TD for instance).  I'd like to know if anyone else with an 
>>>E300 (or
>>>a normally aspirated OM606) also had noticed that these non-turbo engines 
>>>need
>>>more time, for instance about ten minutes of driving, to get up to 80+ 
>>>degrees
>>>C.  When I had my '84 190D, I noticed that it also took longer than my 
>>>'87, and
>>>longer than my '85 300TD which had an OM617 non-turbo engine, so maybe 
>>>with each
>>>generation of OM60x engines in non-turbo form, they need more and more 
>>>time to
>>>warm up?
>>>
>>>Background: T-stat is new within last 12 months, tested stove-top for 
>>>opening
>>>and closing prior to installation, has proper MB-spec coolant with the 
>>>t-stat
>>>installation.
>>>
>>>Very respectfully,
>>>/s/
>>>Max Dillon
>>>'87 300TD 333k miles
>>>'95 E300 278k miles
>>>'73 Balboa 20
>>>Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp?

2011-02-08 Thread Peter Frederick
Most likely a bad temperature sensor thermistor or a bad connection of the PBCU 
-- I need to resolder the one in my mom's TE.  I think the connections at the 
large connectors on the sides have cracked, as I get constant clicking from the 
vacuum control solenoid as it switches modes.

You should be able to pull trouble codes from a 95.

Peter


-Original Message-
>From: Max Dillon 
>Sent: Feb 8, 2011 10:04 AM
>To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp?
>
>Thanks Peter.  Now that I've been paying attention to it, I realize that 
>sometimes the blower fan kicks in regardless of very cold coolant temperature, 
>so I've got some HVAC troubleshooting in my future.  The fan also seems to go 
>to 
>high and stay there, so maybe the PBU is the culprit.
>
>-Max
>
>
>
>
>
>From: Peter Frederick 
>To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>Sent: Mon, February 7, 2011 11:42:36 PM
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp?
>
>That is my experience as well.  Heater blower kicks on loud enough to hear 
>about 
>a mile and a half from the house.
>
>Peter
>
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Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp?

2011-02-08 Thread Peter Frederick
Not only do they warm up slowly, but if you get stuck sitting somewhere (like 
for a slow train crossing) in bitter cold weather, they will cool off while you 
are stopped!

A bad t-stat usually shows up as an engine that never gets up to operating temp 
in the winter (80C).  My first 300D had a bad one, ran fine in the summer, but 
once fall got here, the temp would never get up to 80.

Peter


-Original Message-
>From: Max Dillon 
>Sent: Feb 8, 2011 9:55 AM
>To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp?
>
>As in coolant circulating pump?  Yes.  My question arises due to the 
>difference 
>in engine temperature (gauge) behavior, not in how quickly heat is produced in 
>the passenger compartment.
>
>I'm suspicious of my t-stat, but I'd like confirmation from some other owners 
>that long warm-up compared to a OM603 turbo is normal.
>
>-Max
>
>
>
>
>
>From: Gerry Archer 
>To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>Sent: Mon, February 7, 2011 10:11:20 PM
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp?
>
>Does it have an auxiliary pump like a 123?
>Gerry
>
>From: "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com>
>>I know the OM603 is slower to warm up than the iron head Diesels.  It is 
>>because the engine is more thermally efficient.  It might make sense that 
>>the 606 takes a little longer.  But those with 606s are in a better 
>>position to answer.  I've never driven one.
>>
>> x
>>
>>
>>>Dieselvolk,
>>>
>>>I've been driving my '95 E300 quite a bit now that I've got most of the 
>>>big
>>>issues sorted out, but it really seems to take a long time to warm up 
>>>(compared
>>>to my '87 300TD for instance).  I'd like to know if anyone else with an 
>>>E300 (or
>>>a normally aspirated OM606) also had noticed that these non-turbo engines 
>>>need
>>>more time, for instance about ten minutes of driving, to get up to 80+ 
>>>degrees
>>>C.  When I had my '84 190D, I noticed that it also took longer than my 
>>>'87, and
>>>longer than my '85 300TD which had an OM617 non-turbo engine, so maybe 
>>>with each
>>>generation of OM60x engines in non-turbo form, they need more and more 
>>>time to
>>>warm up?
>>>
>>>Background: T-stat is new within last 12 months, tested stove-top for 
>>>opening
>>>and closing prior to installation, has proper MB-spec coolant with the 
>>>t-stat
>>>installation.
>>>
>>>Very respectfully,
>>>/s/
>>>Max Dillon
>>>'87 300TD 333k miles
>>>'95 E300 278k miles
>>>'73 Balboa 20
>>>Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp?

2011-02-08 Thread Max Dillon
Thanks Peter.  Now that I've been paying attention to it, I realize that 
sometimes the blower fan kicks in regardless of very cold coolant temperature, 
so I've got some HVAC troubleshooting in my future.  The fan also seems to go 
to 
high and stay there, so maybe the PBU is the culprit.

-Max





From: Peter Frederick 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Sent: Mon, February 7, 2011 11:42:36 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp?

That is my experience as well.  Heater blower kicks on loud enough to hear 
about 
a mile and a half from the house.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Snowplow Chainsaws

2011-02-08 Thread Max Dillon
I'm going through similar problem with my Ryobi trimmer/blower/edger.  Sounds 
like ethanol may have contributed?

I'll bet that MTD or some other small engine maker has something close that 
will 
work, trick is to purchase from bulk so it's only $1 instead of $10.

-Max





From: Rich Thomas 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Sent: Mon, February 7, 2011 11:01:18 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Snowplow Chainsaws

I have my dad's old Homelite XL12 which I remember him getting about 
40-45 yr ago or so.  I was using it last year and it quit running for 
more than a coupla minutes.  I determined that the plastic fuel pickup 
line in the tank must have finally gotten too soft to pick up once it 
starts sucking fuel, and it collapses thereby starving the thing of 
fuel.  Apparently parts are NLA, I got another saw and have been using 
that but I would like to get the XL12 going again as it is light and 
cuts well.  I guess I should take it somewhere to see if they might be 
able to figure it out, probably should find some old guy somewhere who 
knows his stuff.

--R

On 2/7/2011 12:57 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
> I got that saw out of a friend's shed when they moved into a new place and 
>found it. I think the PO had run it without bar oil and the chain cut a deep 
>groove in the gear.
> Its a MacCulloch but a recent one made by who knows. I can't remember the 
> model 
>offhand, its at my folks house. The gear is part of the clutch and I got a 
>replacement but it doesn't fit properly on the bearing so it was loose and 
>rattled horribly. We shimmed it but then it was too tight so it wouldn't 
>disengage. I gave up at that point, it was a cheap free saw after all.
> Ran great though, I put the compression tester on it and had 170#...
>
> -Curt
>
>
> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 11:36:49 -0500
> From: Walt Zarnoch
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Snowplow
> Message-ID:
>  
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> What's dead on the drive gear? Can ya snap a pic?
>
> Walt
>
> On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>   This becomes one of those vicious cycles, at some point you're going to
>   need some suspension to keep up with all that added power...
>>
>   I've actually got a chainsaw with a good engine but bad drive gear for
> which I've never been able to get a correct drive gear replacement, it'd
>   be a good candidate for this project...
>> -Curt
>
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Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp?

2011-02-08 Thread Max Dillon
As in coolant circulating pump?  Yes.  My question arises due to the difference 
in engine temperature (gauge) behavior, not in how quickly heat is produced in 
the passenger compartment.

I'm suspicious of my t-stat, but I'd like confirmation from some other owners 
that long warm-up compared to a OM603 turbo is normal.

-Max





From: Gerry Archer 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Sent: Mon, February 7, 2011 10:11:20 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp?

Does it have an auxiliary pump like a 123?
Gerry

From: "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com>
>I know the OM603 is slower to warm up than the iron head Diesels.  It is 
>because the engine is more thermally efficient.  It might make sense that 
>the 606 takes a little longer.  But those with 606s are in a better 
>position to answer.  I've never driven one.
>
> x
>
>
>>Dieselvolk,
>>
>>I've been driving my '95 E300 quite a bit now that I've got most of the 
>>big
>>issues sorted out, but it really seems to take a long time to warm up 
>>(compared
>>to my '87 300TD for instance).  I'd like to know if anyone else with an 
>>E300 (or
>>a normally aspirated OM606) also had noticed that these non-turbo engines 
>>need
>>more time, for instance about ten minutes of driving, to get up to 80+ 
>>degrees
>>C.  When I had my '84 190D, I noticed that it also took longer than my 
>>'87, and
>>longer than my '85 300TD which had an OM617 non-turbo engine, so maybe 
>>with each
>>generation of OM60x engines in non-turbo form, they need more and more 
>>time to
>>warm up?
>>
>>Background: T-stat is new within last 12 months, tested stove-top for 
>>opening
>>and closing prior to installation, has proper MB-spec coolant with the 
>>t-stat
>>installation.
>>
>>Very respectfully,
>>/s/
>>Max Dillon
>>'87 300TD 333k miles
>>'95 E300 278k miles
>>'73 Balboa 20
>>Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] New Snook Car!

2011-02-08 Thread Max Dillon
Whew - glad you kept the Benz!  How long until we go through this cycle again?  
Fresh Dibs on next time Donald offer's this E320 for sale? ;)

-Max






From: Donald Snook 
To: "Mercedes@okiebenz.com" 
Sent: Mon, February 7, 2011 11:44:15 AM
Subject: [MBZ] New Snook Car!

We have a new (to us) car and I still have the Mercedes.  I took the list's 
collective advice and traded off the Expedition for a Dodge Charger.  Mrs. 
Snook 
is VERY happy.  We thought we were going to buy a 2008 Charger SE, but we ended 
up making a better deal on a 2010 Charger SXT with only 31,000 miles.  It is a 
VERY nice car.  My wife loves it.

I was surprised about how many components are Mercedes parts - front and rear 
suspension, steering column, and various other parts.  The one thing that this 
one doesn't have that I wished for was the 5 -speed Mercedes transmission.  On 
the non-hemi Chargers, the 5speed only comes with All Wheel Drive.

Donald H. Snook
1995 Mercedes E320 100K
2010 Dodge Charger SXT (wife's car)
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Re: [MBZ] New Snook Car!

2011-02-08 Thread Rich Thomas
Damn!  I think i want your wife to go with me on my next car-buying 
expedition.


--R

On 2/8/2011 10:12 AM, Donald Snook wrote:

Kaleb wrote: "You traded in the Exploder?  If so, you could have got way more
selling it on your own."

It was an Expedition (big sucker). I don't think we could have done better, 
actually.  It had 150,000 miles and the ABS light was on. Plus, we got them way 
down on the Charger and my wife was a master negotiator on the trade.  We 
originally looked at a 2008 Charger. They wanted $16,900 (which is way too 
much). We got them down to $15,000 and they offered $2500 for the Expedition.  
I had a dealer friend of mine check the manheim auctions and the Expedition was 
going for $3000. We couldn't make a deal on the 08 Charger for the $250 payment 
my wife wanted.  So, we called another dealer right from the showroom and found 
a 2010 for $16,900.  They started falling all over themselves to make a deal.  
Finally they showed us the car we bought. They had it priced at $17,900.  
Edmunds prices it at $19,000.  I think that's a little high. NADA shows 
$17,900. Kelly Bluebook $19,300. Also, it was a certified used. That doesn't do 
anything for me immeadiately because its still under factory warranty. But, it 
increases the powertrain warranty.

Anyway, they told us they would sell it for $15,900 and give us $3000 for our 
Expedition.  We said no.  My wife was awesome.  She kept saying, the payment 
has to be $250 a month and we won't go longer on the loan.  They got it to 
within $8 and she still said no. We were there for almost 5 hours.  Finally, 
they ended up selling their car for $15,900 and giving us $4400 for the 
expedition.  I had a potential buyer for my car for $5000. But, I don't think I 
could have got them down their car if I didn't have a trade.

Either way, we feel like we got a great deal. And most importantly, my wife is 
happy.  When she is happy, that means she won't be so eagle-eyed about my cars. 
 So, in other words, she has a nice car and now I can get back to my car 
buying/selling fun.


Donald H. Snook


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Re: [MBZ] New Snook Car!

2011-02-08 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 7:12 AM, Donald Snook  wrote:
> Kaleb wrote: "You traded in the Exploder?  If so, you could have got way more
> selling it on your own."
>

Of course, but I'm willing to bet Snook's billable rate is high enough
that it's not worth it to him to deal with Craigslist tire-kickers ;)

Sounds like you got a great deal, Donald.  Your wife must enjoy the
negotiation game, too, to have spent five hours at the dealer.  More
power to her!  With the economy like it is and new-car sales way down,
I think dealers should be lucky if they get anywhere near invoice (or
blue book on a used car).

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp?

2011-02-08 Thread Peter Frederick
It does need to be replaced, but what I was saying is that it blows hard enough 
to hear, meaning the heater air temp is higher than that inside the car.

4 miles is a bit long, I'd check to make sure the aux pump is running to 
circulate water to the heater core.  If it is not, it takes a long, long time 
to heat up, in spite of the fact that the engine temp comes up faster than that.

Peter

-Original Message-
>From: Mike Esh 
>Sent: Feb 8, 2011 7:01 AM
>To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp?
>
>The fan probably needs to oiled (M1) if you can hear it a mile and a half from 
>your house.  :) hehe.
>Mike
>
>Sent from my iPad
>
>On Feb 7, 2011, at 11:42 PM, Peter Frederick  wrote:
>
>> That is my experience as well.  Heater blower kicks on loud enough to hear 
>> about a mile and a half from the house.
>> 
>> Peter
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Re: [MBZ] New Snook Car!

2011-02-08 Thread Donald Snook
Kaleb wrote: "You traded in the Exploder?  If so, you could have got way more
selling it on your own."

It was an Expedition (big sucker). I don't think we could have done better, 
actually.  It had 150,000 miles and the ABS light was on. Plus, we got them way 
down on the Charger and my wife was a master negotiator on the trade.  We 
originally looked at a 2008 Charger. They wanted $16,900 (which is way too 
much). We got them down to $15,000 and they offered $2500 for the Expedition.  
I had a dealer friend of mine check the manheim auctions and the Expedition was 
going for $3000. We couldn't make a deal on the 08 Charger for the $250 payment 
my wife wanted.  So, we called another dealer right from the showroom and found 
a 2010 for $16,900.  They started falling all over themselves to make a deal.  
Finally they showed us the car we bought. They had it priced at $17,900.  
Edmunds prices it at $19,000.  I think that's a little high. NADA shows 
$17,900. Kelly Bluebook $19,300. Also, it was a certified used. That doesn't do 
anything for me immeadiately because its still under factory warranty. But, it 
increases the powertrain warranty.

Anyway, they told us they would sell it for $15,900 and give us $3000 for our 
Expedition.  We said no.  My wife was awesome.  She kept saying, the payment 
has to be $250 a month and we won't go longer on the loan.  They got it to 
within $8 and she still said no. We were there for almost 5 hours.  Finally, 
they ended up selling their car for $15,900 and giving us $4400 for the 
expedition.  I had a potential buyer for my car for $5000. But, I don't think I 
could have got them down their car if I didn't have a trade.

Either way, we feel like we got a great deal. And most importantly, my wife is 
happy.  When she is happy, that means she won't be so eagle-eyed about my cars. 
 So, in other words, she has a nice car and now I can get back to my car 
buying/selling fun.


Donald H. Snook


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[MBZ] Adoption was Re: New Snook Car!

2011-02-08 Thread Donald Snook
Allan S. wrote: "She probably has no money.  Might be able to go after the 
agency, although they were likely as fooled as everyone else.  Sadly, it's 
probably just one of those things you have to chalk up to bad luck."

Yes, she has no money.  We did a partial refund of the money we paid to agency. 
But attorney fees, travel, and a lot of other expenses are just gone.


Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] New Snook Car!

2011-02-08 Thread Donald Snook
Kevin wrote: "What V6 are they using in the 2010 Charger?"

They have two of them. The base model is 2.7L. They use it in a bunch of cheap 
cars. It has lots of problems.  The next step up is the 3.5L. In the early 
Chargers it was rated at less then 250 Hp. But, in the last few years its 
called the 3.5 High Output and is 250 HP and 250 lb/torque.


Donald H. Snook


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Re: [MBZ] '95 E300 with OM606 - how long to reach operating temp?

2011-02-08 Thread Mike Esh
The fan probably needs to oiled (M1) if you can hear it a mile and a half from 
your house.  :) hehe.
Mike

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 7, 2011, at 11:42 PM, Peter Frederick  wrote:

> That is my experience as well.  Heater blower kicks on loud enough to hear 
> about a mile and a half from the house.
> 
> Peter
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Re: [MBZ] Snowplow Chainsaws

2011-02-08 Thread Mitch Haley

Rich Thomas wrote:
I have my dad's old Homelite XL12 which I remember him getting about 
40-45 yr ago or so.  I was using it last year and it quit running for 
more than a coupla minutes. 


http://www.arboristsite.com/chainsaw/163940.htm
http://www.arboristsite.com/chainsaw/101147.htm
http://www.arboristsite.com/chainsaw/163974.htm

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[MBZ] Top Gear - S class -2002

2011-02-08 Thread Mitch Haley

I hadn't realized what sort of gimmicks were in the 2003 S600:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A30tJFDsoI&playnext=1&list=PLCA7923A46D9E5C8F

Full episode, season 1, episode 5:
http://rapidshare.com/files/330453371/Top_Gear_-__S01E05__-__17.11.2002_.avi

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