date:20111222

Saw what appeared to be a creampuff '76 300D on Craigslist for $1750,
no email listed, just a cell phone number.  I sent a text:

Me: Hi, I saw your CL ad.  Nice looking 114.  Does the heater blower work?
Seller: Are you interested in the car?
Me: Yes, but only if the blower works, since it's a major repair if it doesn't.
Seller: You're confused.  A heater core replacement on a 114 takes 14+
hours, the heat relay switch only takes 1!
Me: No I'm not.  BTW your ad's been flagged.

(I'm not the one who flagged it.  But I wouldn't bother with the car
after that, anyway.)

Alex

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[MBZ] Nice 300SDL, crackhead dealer

http://clients.automanager.com/015606/vehicle-details/d945e3ac9db2644989452c05c65c518c/default.html

Awfully nice-looking 126, but I doubt it only has 95K mi on it... and
if it does, it's got to be in serious need of an Italian tune-up.

(The dealer is one of Portland's biggest flippers of auction
turds---oops, I mean sellers of fine pre-owned late-model European
luxury automobiles.)

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Oh Wilton

2011-12-22 Thread Dieselhead



If you go back 100 years and see what an 8th grade grad was capable 
of, it is roughly equal to a HS grad of the 60s.  College grads now 
are generally not even as capable as the HS grad of the 60s or the 
8th grade grad of the 1800s or early 1900s.


A good homeschooler or educator can tutor a kid  to a 1960 level HS 
in 4-6 years.  A lot can probably do it in less.  It is not dependent 
on lesson plans or textbooks.  It is based on lighting the natural 
curiosity and guiding and channelling that curiosity ing constructive 
things.  Ever think about how much time/money/brainpower is wasted in 
this country?  Computer games, sports, TV, drugs etc. for kids and 
adults.Imagine if all the time/talent/money in this country was 
unleashed on constructive things!


The problem is thatkids now are so over protected that they have no 
experience and social development (responsible involvement with 
society)  Now we have biig brudda wanting to try to keep farm kids 
from doing any work.  (Its fo da Keeds!!!  Surely you don't want 
keeds hurt do ya?)


It was those farm kids of the depression that learned how to make 
stuff out of what they had that won WWII for us.  Countless 
battlefield innovations came from the privates, corporals and 3 
stripers.


Anyhow, if you can find an archive that has old textbooks, go see 
what kids learned 100 years ago by 8th grade.  It will astound you. 
The infiltration of the mar (X) ists in to the education system is a 
deliberate attempt to take us over from within.  They are winning. 
The plan was laid out in a book from the 50s.  It reads like the D#em 
plat _form.


Farm kids are the last connection we have with the America was great. 
THey are helping as soon as they can.  They learn about life, death, 
physics, and natural law (consequences and responsibility) way better 
than kids in town.


I was driving a tractor and mowing lawns when I was 8 or 9. (kids in 
town were watching tv) running a one row cultivator all summer long 
by 12 or so.  (kids in town were learning how to cuss by listening to 
parents at little league games)   Driving a truck in the field at 13 
or so.  Driving the truck (16' box) on a road with lip curbs and 9 ft 
lanes on my permit with Mom at 15.   Started a wholesale delivery 
route at 16, driving a truck to make the deliveries.  We didn't have 
guards on chains or belts a lot of the time.  You knew enough to keep 
you body parts away fro those and PTO shafts.  We didn't eat paint on 
toys or anywhere else.  We knew better.  We lived with asbestos.  We 
shot game, skinned it and ate it.


It is time for A 'mericans to ta@ ke ovv er this country again.


The main problem with education (which is really teaching, or more 
basically, training, mostly) is that the system was created to 
address a very different set of needs, viz., to create a somewhat 
knowledgeable yet still pliant work force to fill factory jobs and 
such -- jobs that did not require a great deal of insight or 
creativity.  The system has not changed radically over the last 
several decades, yet the needs of the economy have changed 
considerably away from that sort of factory job.  Before the 50s an 
8th grade diploma could get you into the factory, then it became the 
thing to go to high school as the demands of the work world began to 
increase.  Nowadays the jobs available to a high-school-only 
graduate are decreasing rapidly as they have been outsourced, and a 
minimum 2-year trade/technical degree of some sort is the minimum to 
fill even factory jobs, as they have a lot more technology involved 
with them.  College is becoming more the minimum, though a lot of 
the matriculating students are barely high-school (or even 8th 
grade) capable to participate in that kind of "knowledge"-based 
study.


I learned a lot of this a coupla weeks ago at a conference in which 
the future economic development of SC was the topic.  The facts 
being conveyed about education and the increasing demands of a 
competitive economy, based on manufacturing and knowledge sorts of 
endeavors, were truly scary.  The public systems now in place for 
"educating" children are generally failing miserably, and a lot of 
that is due to a failure of culture and society to value education, 
despite all the evidence that is visible to even a casual observer. 
A couple of managers of some big manufacturing operations here were 
lamenting that they had plenty of jobs, but no one capable to fill 
them.  Some of that was due to the current economy limiting mobility 
(can't sell your house to go take a job somewhere else) but a lot of 
it was due to a limited pool of capable talent irrespective of that 
limitation.  Interesting.


One statistic that was pretty scary was that in India, the top 10% 
of all students outnumbers the entire population of students in the 
US.  And they are all hungry to have what we have here in the US or 
the more-developed world.  Multiply that by some factor for China...


--R

O

Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure

andrew strasfogel  writes:

> logic board

Apple-speak for motherboard.  Not sure why they use that term.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Oh Wilton

Rich Thomas  writes:

> College is becoming more the minimum, though a lot of the
> matriculating students are barely high-school (or even 8th grade)
> capable to participate in that kind of "knowledge"-based study.

Not only that, but with everyone (or at least a lot more than in the
past) going to college, the supply of people entering the workforce with
at least some college is higher, thus lowering the value of having that
education, while at the same time said education costs more than ever
and many students are leaving college with significant debt.  What's the
position of the Occupy movement on the "greed" of "Big Ed" I wonder.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure

2011-12-22 Thread andrew strasfogel

I spoke to soon.  The uber Genius at the Apple Store said 1) recall is
over, 2) I don't have the Nvideo any way, and 3) diagnostics showed it's
the logic board that needs replacing.  Off it goes to Genius land for
repair.

On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 5:25 PM, clay monroe  wrote:

> OWC has been offering a few used machines in the $400+ range.  Might be a
> source for parts or usable machine and your old one for parts
>
> clay
>
> On Dec 21, 2011, at 12:43 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:
>
> > The flat rate option which requires shipping was about $300 for my buddy.
> > In-store repair was about $900-1000.
> >
> > Since the free motherboard replacement, all I've had to do is replace the
> > battery & SuperDrive.  For as much as I use the laptop, I really can't
> > complain.  Upgrading the hard drive and memory gave it a speed boost.  If
> > this one craps out, I'll probably buy another.  If it doesn't crap out,
> > I'll probably get another sometime after the 5-6 year mark.  Thunderbolt
> > would be nice, if it works more reliably than eSATA.
> >
> > Brian
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 1:21 PM, andrew strasfogel <
> astrasfo...@gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> >> I hope that the SN is engraved into the case and not part of the Mac
> >> info on the hard drive that can only revealed by viewing it on the
> >> display!
> >>
> >> On 12/21/11, Dan Penoff  wrote:
> >>> Worst case if it's not something covered under a campaign would be to
> go
> >> the
> >>> flat fee repair they offer if you want to keep it.
> >>>
> >>> If I had a serial number I could look up the part on GSX and tell you,
> >> but
> >>> rest assured, it won't be cheap.
> >>>
> >>> Dan
> >>>
> >>> On Dec 21, 2011, at 3:11 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:
> >>>
>  "He" being me, I am curious as to what it will cost for a new
> >> motherboard.
> 
>  On 12/21/11, Brian Toscano  wrote:
> > Dan,
> >
> > I'm not sure if they changed the procedures since my motherboard was
> > diagnosed and replaced, but back then they used a FireWire hard drive
> >> to
> > boot externally and it generated a light pattern that told the tech
> >> "bad
> > graphics controller".
> >
> > Troubleshooting procedures should be followed to correctly diagnose
> the
> > problem, but I can say that from personal experience that he probably
> > needs
> > a new motherboard since the graphics controller cannot be changed
> > independently and that it may or may not be covered under the recall.
> >
> >
> > Brian
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Dan Penoff 
> wrote:
> >
> >> The resets are part of the troubleshooting process, and are
> documented
> >> in
> >> the Apple service literature. While they don't always yield a change
> >> in
> >> the
> >> issue, they are valid steps that the Genius or repair personnel will
> >> enlist
> >> before moving forward.
> >>
> >> The nVidia issue is clearly documented on Apple's Support site,
> which
> >> I
> >> believe also includes a serial number check utility that will tell
> the
> >> user
> >> if their machine is included in the replacement campaign.
> >>
> >> Dan (GSX certified Apple Tech)
> >>
> >>
> >> On Dec 21, 2011, at 1:02 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:
> >>
> >>> In my experience, all of these resets are a waste of time.
>  Basically
> >>> the
> >>> graphics card will flake out a couple of time and then its just
> >> completely
> >>> dead.  My buddy went through all of the resets, battery swaps, as I
> >> did
> >> and
> >>> in both cases a new motherboard was the only fix.  If his computer
> >> was
> >>> subject to the nVIDIA issue, they didn't know that or didn't tell
> >> him.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 10:55 AM, andrew strasfogel
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
>  Thanks.  Apple support told me the same thing so I will do this
> >> when I
>  get home tonight.
> 
>  What puzzles me is why the screen came back to life the first
> time -
>  after I removed the battery for several hours and then reinstalled
> >> it.
>  Could this have been a coincidence?
> 
> 
>  On 12/21/11, Dan Penoff  wrote:
> > Even before you reset the NVRAM and the power controller, which
> is
> > the
> > procedure you describe, try resetting the PRAM, which you do by
> > holding
>  down
> > the P + R + Command + Option keys during startup until you hear
> the
>  "bong"
> > sound - keep holding them down and let the machine restart 3
> times
> > with
>  the
> > "bong" sound and then let it start up.
> >
> > This won't hurt anything and will reset the machine back to
> default
> > settings.  Try your display after this and if no joy, try the
> > procedure

Re: [MBZ] Oh Wilton

The main problem with education (which is really teaching, or more 
basically, training, mostly) is that the system was created to address a 
very different set of needs, viz., to create a somewhat knowledgeable 
yet still pliant work force to fill factory jobs and such -- jobs that 
did not require a great deal of insight or creativity.  The system has 
not changed radically over the last several decades, yet the needs of 
the economy have changed considerably away from that sort of factory 
job.  Before the 50s an 8th grade diploma could get you into the 
factory, then it became the thing to go to high school as the demands of 
the work world began to increase.  Nowadays the jobs available to a 
high-school-only graduate are decreasing rapidly as they have been 
outsourced, and a minimum 2-year trade/technical degree of some sort is 
the minimum to fill even factory jobs, as they have a lot more 
technology involved with them.  College is becoming more the minimum, 
though a lot of the matriculating students are barely high-school (or 
even 8th grade) capable to participate in that kind of "knowledge"-based 
study.


I learned a lot of this a coupla weeks ago at a conference in which the 
future economic development of SC was the topic.  The facts being 
conveyed about education and the increasing demands of a competitive 
economy, based on manufacturing and knowledge sorts of endeavors, were 
truly scary.  The public systems now in place for "educating" children 
are generally failing miserably, and a lot of that is due to a failure 
of culture and society to value education, despite all the evidence that 
is visible to even a casual observer.  A couple of managers of some big 
manufacturing operations here were lamenting that they had plenty of 
jobs, but no one capable to fill them.  Some of that was due to the 
current economy limiting mobility (can't sell your house to go take a 
job somewhere else) but a lot of it was due to a limited pool of capable 
talent irrespective of that limitation.  Interesting.


One statistic that was pretty scary was that in India, the top 10% of 
all students outnumbers the entire population of students in the US.  
And they are all hungry to have what we have here in the US or the 
more-developed world.  Multiply that by some factor for China...


--R

On 12/22/11 8:33 PM, Allan Streib wrote:

You all are reading past what I'm saying.  I am not saying it not
possible to do a good job home schooling.  I'm not endorsing public
schools either.  I'm saying to do it (home schooling) well is a lot of
work.  And I personally know of people who are "home schooling" their
kids and doing them a tremendous diservice both socially and
academically because they don't know what they are doing, they are not
putting in the effort that it demands, and they don't have the resources
to provide a rich educational curriculum.

Allan

G Mann  writes:


Sorry, I'm calling it out on those points.

Learning is a self guided experience once the desire for information is
awakened.
The idea that awakening can only come from a public school teacher [or a
private one] is one that has been way oversold. A parent can and easily
will guide the child to awakening and keep it energized.

It is not the duty of the state to have that job, and our present lack of
scholastic excellence demonstrates that conflict of interest between "hired
teacher on tenure" and the parent / child.

Grant...
AZ...


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Re: [MBZ] OM603 freeze plug replacement

2011-12-22 Thread Dieselhead


Here is my 2¢:

About the parts:
YES  601-238-07-80 Vacuum pump gasket to block
YES  013-997-81-48 I/P ELR O-ring
NO  001-074-43-80 I/P rear governor gasket  I'd 
never mess with separating the governor from the 
pump.  That is for the injection shop.

YES  004-997-46-40 I/P bottom cover O-ring
Check to see if you need it   001-074-11-80 I/P side plate gasket
YES 2! 012-997-83-48 I/P to block O-ring (a spare in case you bugger one.
NO  010-997-56-48 I/P vacuum shutoff valve O-ring  never seen one leak.
YES  009-997-81-48 I/P shutoff lever O-ring
NO  000-091-17-80 lift pump gasket  leave it alone.  No need to take it off.

This is for the delivery valves:
GOOD!  I used Viton O-rings from forum member JADavis  (8)
and here are the copper crush washer part numbers:
YES  004-997-45-40 Copper washers  (8)

I always change the delivery valve springs when I do the orings.
I sent you a separate email that includes the 
delivery valve spring part number.
I always change them when I have the valves 
apart.  I also recommend ordering a couple extra 
orings and copper seals, because I always bugger 
up at least one. You don't need viton orings 
unless you use a lot of B100 or B99.


I can loan/rent the splined socket for the 
delivery valves and the IP lock if I can find my 
lock.  Q will sell them to you also.


That is Dave M's writeup.  He probably has had 
spare IPs to mess with and learn how to separate 
the IP from the governor and reassemble.  I was 
taught to not mess with the IP other than 
delivery valve.  If you screw up the calibration, 
it can cost big bucks.


Good luck.


You probably don't recall that my SDL (~310K) had a freeze plug leak
behind the IP a couple months ago.  I have the SWMBO go-ahead now, so
I'm getting really close to making the parts order.

I found this writeup of the job itself:
http://www.peachparts.com/Wikka/OM603InjectionPump

and aside from the holder widget I think I have what I need, except
for the freeze plugs themselves.  Someone had suggested the remaining
ones might have similar issues, so I will definitely order some extras
and check.

However, since I don't want to have to take the IP off for a while,
what IP seals/parts must I replace?  Is it worth replacing the
miscellaneous IP seals listed at the bottom of the writeup above?
Anything else?  I've had no complaints about the engine's running, but
similarly I don't want to introduce a leak or put off some other
common maintenance task that would require removing the IP again. :)

Thanks!
-Tim

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[MBZ] OT -Christchurch quake, again

2011-12-22 Thread OK Don

Hendrick, Faye - any word from the relatives? Significant additional damage
form this one?

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1990 300D 2.5T
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Re: [MBZ] Oh Wilton

You all are reading past what I'm saying.  I am not saying it not
possible to do a good job home schooling.  I'm not endorsing public
schools either.  I'm saying to do it (home schooling) well is a lot of
work.  And I personally know of people who are "home schooling" their
kids and doing them a tremendous diservice both socially and
academically because they don't know what they are doing, they are not
putting in the effort that it demands, and they don't have the resources
to provide a rich educational curriculum.

Allan

G Mann  writes:

> Sorry, I'm calling it out on those points.
>
> Learning is a self guided experience once the desire for information is
> awakened.
> The idea that awakening can only come from a public school teacher [or a
> private one] is one that has been way oversold. A parent can and easily
> will guide the child to awakening and keep it energized.
>
> It is not the duty of the state to have that job, and our present lack of
> scholastic excellence demonstrates that conflict of interest between "hired
> teacher on tenure" and the parent / child.
>
> Grant...
> AZ...

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[MBZ] W210 E300D

http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/2758017223.html

"I had some job kind of Job done on front suspension from dealer for
over $800 few years ago"

Wonder if that would have been spring perch repair?

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Oh Wilton

2011-12-22 Thread G Mann

Sorry, I'm calling it out on those points.

Learning is a self guided experience once the desire for information is
awakened.
The idea that awakening can only come from a public school teacher [or a
private one] is one that has been way oversold. A parent can and easily
will guide the child to awakening and keep it energized.

It is not the duty of the state to have that job, and our present lack of
scholastic excellence demonstrates that conflict of interest between "hired
teacher on tenure" and the parent / child.

Grant...
AZ...

On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 6:05 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:

> Mountain Man  writes:
>
> > Allan wrote:
> >> Assuming you know what you are doing and have the discipline to plan a
> >> curriculum and lessons.  I can't imagine doing it, personally.
> >
> > Buffoons in the 'profession' have indoctrinated you.
>
> Nonsense.  Teaching is a full time job.  If one works full time it is
> not feasible to take on the education of a child and do justice to the
> job.
>
> > There is plenty of assistance to be found, but education does not grow
> > on a tree.
> > Yes, there is effort, but the primary effort is vested interest in the
> > enterprise.
>
> That is my point.  Home schooling, done well, requires the assistance of
> a support organization to provide the resources that a traditional
> school would normally provide.  I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm
> saying I can't imagine doing it, and implying that many people who do it
> are not doing it well.
>
> Allan
>
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Re: [MBZ] Oh Wilton

Mountain Man  writes:

> Allan wrote:
>> Assuming you know what you are doing and have the discipline to plan a
>> curriculum and lessons.  I can't imagine doing it, personally.
>
> Buffoons in the 'profession' have indoctrinated you.

Nonsense.  Teaching is a full time job.  If one works full time it is
not feasible to take on the education of a child and do justice to the
job.

> There is plenty of assistance to be found, but education does not grow
> on a tree.
> Yes, there is effort, but the primary effort is vested interest in the
> enterprise.

That is my point.  Home schooling, done well, requires the assistance of
a support organization to provide the resources that a traditional
school would normally provide.  I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm
saying I can't imagine doing it, and implying that many people who do it
are not doing it well.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Oh Wilton

2011-12-22 Thread Mountain Man

Allan wrote:
> Assuming you know what you are doing and have the discipline to plan a
> curriculum and lessons.  I can't imagine doing it, personally.

Buffoons in the 'profession' have indoctrinated you.
There is plenty of assistance to be found, but education does not grow
on a tree.
Yes, there is effort, but the primary effort is vested interest in the
enterprise.
Most parents have enough to accomplish the task, if they can commit to
a loss of income.
We are closer to the end of life than we were, but having accomplished
the education of our kids, it was a road less traveled by.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OM603 freeze plug replacement

2011-12-22 Thread Dieselhead

Only places I have seen them leak is the orings for the delivery 
valves and the oring for the shutoff, and the bottom plate.  All of 
that can be done in the car.  The bottom plate and the shutoff are 
easier if the pump is out anyhow.  To me, the delivery valve springs 
and seals are easier in the car or with the pump bolted to an engine.


The IP to block oring is important to replace.  i coat it with just a 
little RTV to make sure it stays in place for assembly.




On Dec 22, 2011 10:55 AM, "Tim C"  wrote:





 what IP seals/parts must I replace?  Is it worth replacing the
 miscellaneous IP seals listed at the bottom of the writeup above?



In my experience, all high-mileage OM603 IPs either leak from multiple
seals or will in the near future.  Better to just do them all at once while
it's convenient if you mean to keep the car a while.

Alex


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Re: [MBZ] Somewhat showroom 87 300D == atom bomb!

I was trying to be nice and not refer to them as some might that sort of 
folk.


--R

On 12/22/11 5:53 PM, WILTON wrote:
Well, I doubt they were "hill folk;" living on the S. Carolina coastal 
plain as they were, but "country," anyway.  After all, who would one 
expect to live in the "country?"   ;<)))


Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Randy Bennell" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Somewhat showroom 87 300D == atom bomb!



On 22/12/2011 3:35 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:
google   "atomic bomb mars bluff sc"   This must have been a 
different incident, in SC where just a bomb was let go, if I recall 
it had something to do with a stuck locking pin or something like 
that on the bomb release (I think it was a B-47) and a crewman 
crawled back into the bomb bay and was fooling with it and it 
released.  ohshit.  Buried itself pretty deep and tore a good hole 
in the ground.


and you will a lot of hits on it.  Add scetv to the search and you 
will get the info about the documentary I have seen.


Here is the ETV story
--Rhttp://www.scetv.org/index.php/press/release/incident_at_mars_bluff_-_how_a_nuclear_bomb_was_dropped_on_sc/ 

http://www.scetv.org/index.php/carolina_stories/show/incident_at_mars_bluff/ 



They have a sequence on there where the family was on that old TV 
show, What's My Line or something like that, the family that had it 
land in their yard was a bunch of country/hill folk, the gummint 
came and tore down the house and hauled it off, never paid them for 
it, they lost everything.  The family got a carton of cigs from the 
TV show for their appearance.  After some period of years the 
gummint finally coughed up some $$ but it was too little too late.


DVD   http://etvstore.org/products/detail.asp?pid=9154953335&fc=D 
and trailer  
https://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=203285790294&topic=11567


Here you can download a newsreel 
http://www.archive.org/details/1958-03-13_Dead_A-Bomb_Hits_US_Town


--R



So, did the crewman ride it down?

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Somewhat showroom 87 300D == atom bomb!

Well, I doubt they were "hill folk;" living on the S. Carolina coastal plain 
as they were, but "country," anyway.  After all, who would one expect to 
live in the "country?"   ;<)))


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Randy Bennell" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Somewhat showroom 87 300D == atom bomb!



On 22/12/2011 3:35 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:
google   "atomic bomb mars bluff sc"   This must have been a different 
incident, in SC where just a bomb was let go, if I recall it had 
something to do with a stuck locking pin or something like that on the 
bomb release (I think it was a B-47) and a crewman crawled back into the 
bomb bay and was fooling with it and it released.  ohshit.  Buried itself 
pretty deep and tore a good hole in the ground.


and you will a lot of hits on it.  Add scetv to the search and you will 
get the info about the documentary I have seen.


Here is the ETV story
--Rhttp://www.scetv.org/index.php/press/release/incident_at_mars_bluff_-_how_a_nuclear_bomb_was_dropped_on_sc/
http://www.scetv.org/index.php/carolina_stories/show/incident_at_mars_bluff/

They have a sequence on there where the family was on that old TV show, 
What's My Line or something like that, the family that had it land in 
their yard was a bunch of country/hill folk, the gummint came and tore 
down the house and hauled it off, never paid them for it, they lost 
everything.  The family got a carton of cigs from the TV show for their 
appearance.  After some period of years the gummint finally coughed up 
some $$ but it was too little too late.


DVD   http://etvstore.org/products/detail.asp?pid=9154953335&fc=D and 
trailer  https://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=203285790294&topic=11567


Here you can download a newsreel 
http://www.archive.org/details/1958-03-13_Dead_A-Bomb_Hits_US_Town


--R



So, did the crewman ride it down?

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Somewhat showroom 87 300D == atom bomb!

Yes, B-47; I've read it several times; near Florence, SC, (Mars Bluff); had 
a stuck locking pin; navigator/bombardier went into bomb bay to try to 
secure it; hit turbulence, grabbed release cable and guess what?  Goodbye, 
Nuke.  He probably felt like following it down.


B-52 near Goldsboro was on airborne alert; fuel tank in right wing ruptured 
during air refueling; coupla hours later on approach to landing, right wing 
broke off ; aircraft broke up, causing 2 nukes to be released as if they had 
been deliberately released.  All of these nukes were "safe," of course, 'had 
not been armed by crew and never would have been armed until over enemy 
territory.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Rich Thomas" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Somewhat showroom 87 300D == atom bomb!


google   "atomic bomb mars bluff sc"   This must have been a different 
incident, in SC where just a bomb was let go, if I recall it had something 
to do with a stuck locking pin or something like that on the bomb release 
(I think it was a B-47) and a crewman crawled back into the bomb bay and 
was fooling with it and it released.  ohshit.  Buried itself pretty deep 
and tore a good hole in the ground.


and you will a lot of hits on it.  Add scetv to the search and you will 
get the info about the documentary I have seen.


Here is the ETV story
--Rhttp://www.scetv.org/index.php/press/release/incident_at_mars_bluff_-_how_a_nuclear_bomb_was_dropped_on_sc/
http://www.scetv.org/index.php/carolina_stories/show/incident_at_mars_bluff/

They have a sequence on there where the family was on that old TV show, 
What's My Line or something like that, the family that had it land in 
their yard was a bunch of country/hill folk, the gummint came and tore 
down the house and hauled it off, never paid them for it, they lost 
everything.  The family got a carton of cigs from the TV show for their 
appearance.  After some period of years the gummint finally coughed up 
some $$ but it was too little too late.


DVD   http://etvstore.org/products/detail.asp?pid=9154953335&fc=D and 
trailer  https://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=203285790294&topic=11567


Here you can download a newsreel 
http://www.archive.org/details/1958-03-13_Dead_A-Bomb_Hits_US_Town


--R

On 12/22/11 3:22 PM, WILTON wrote:
No, haven't seen a documentary about the local Goldsboro/Faro broken 
arrow. Faro is the little crossroads/farming village about 12 miles from 
here where the crash occurred.


Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas" 


To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Somewhat showroom 87 300D


Have you seen that documentary (they show it occasionally on the SCETV 
channel) about that town and the bombing?


--R

On 12/20/11 2:18 PM, WILTON wrote:
Local attorney rode with me to Raleigh yesterday on the 87 300D to meet 
with NC Highway Historical Marker Committee to request a marker 
denoting site of B-52G crash near here in Jan 1960 that dropped 2 
nuclear weapons onto  the small farming community.  They approved the 
marker.


Attorney friend found it very hard to believe that the 300D is 25 years 
old; 'very impressed by the solid feel, quiet, solid sound and ride. 
'Kept saying it could pass for only 3 or 4 years old 'cept for the 
outer design.  I couldn't help telling him that my OTHER car (91 
350SDL, only 21 years old&  198 kmi) drives and rides even better than 
this one.  He likes the MB tex, too.


Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] Somewhat showroom 87 300D == atom bomb!

2011-12-22 Thread Randy Bennell


On 22/12/2011 3:35 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:
google   "atomic bomb mars bluff sc"   This must have been a different 
incident, in SC where just a bomb was let go, if I recall it had 
something to do with a stuck locking pin or something like that on the 
bomb release (I think it was a B-47) and a crewman crawled back into 
the bomb bay and was fooling with it and it released.  ohshit.  Buried 
itself pretty deep and tore a good hole in the ground.


and you will a lot of hits on it.  Add scetv to the search and you 
will get the info about the documentary I have seen.


Here is the ETV story
--Rhttp://www.scetv.org/index.php/press/release/incident_at_mars_bluff_-_how_a_nuclear_bomb_was_dropped_on_sc/ 

http://www.scetv.org/index.php/carolina_stories/show/incident_at_mars_bluff/ 



They have a sequence on there where the family was on that old TV 
show, What's My Line or something like that, the family that had it 
land in their yard was a bunch of country/hill folk, the gummint came 
and tore down the house and hauled it off, never paid them for it, 
they lost everything.  The family got a carton of cigs from the TV 
show for their appearance.  After some period of years the gummint 
finally coughed up some $$ but it was too little too late.


DVD   http://etvstore.org/products/detail.asp?pid=9154953335&fc=D and 
trailer  https://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=203285790294&topic=11567


Here you can download a newsreel  
http://www.archive.org/details/1958-03-13_Dead_A-Bomb_Hits_US_Town


--R



So, did the crewman ride it down?

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure

2011-12-22 Thread clay monroe

OWC has been offering a few used machines in the $400+ range.  Might be a 
source for parts or usable machine and your old one for parts

clay

On Dec 21, 2011, at 12:43 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:

> The flat rate option which requires shipping was about $300 for my buddy.
> In-store repair was about $900-1000.
> 
> Since the free motherboard replacement, all I've had to do is replace the
> battery & SuperDrive.  For as much as I use the laptop, I really can't
> complain.  Upgrading the hard drive and memory gave it a speed boost.  If
> this one craps out, I'll probably buy another.  If it doesn't crap out,
> I'll probably get another sometime after the 5-6 year mark.  Thunderbolt
> would be nice, if it works more reliably than eSATA.
> 
> Brian
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 1:21 PM, andrew strasfogel 
> wrote:
> 
>> I hope that the SN is engraved into the case and not part of the Mac
>> info on the hard drive that can only revealed by viewing it on the
>> display!
>> 
>> On 12/21/11, Dan Penoff  wrote:
>>> Worst case if it's not something covered under a campaign would be to go
>> the
>>> flat fee repair they offer if you want to keep it.
>>> 
>>> If I had a serial number I could look up the part on GSX and tell you,
>> but
>>> rest assured, it won't be cheap.
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
>>> On Dec 21, 2011, at 3:11 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:
>>> 
 "He" being me, I am curious as to what it will cost for a new
>> motherboard.
 
 On 12/21/11, Brian Toscano  wrote:
> Dan,
> 
> I'm not sure if they changed the procedures since my motherboard was
> diagnosed and replaced, but back then they used a FireWire hard drive
>> to
> boot externally and it generated a light pattern that told the tech
>> "bad
> graphics controller".
> 
> Troubleshooting procedures should be followed to correctly diagnose the
> problem, but I can say that from personal experience that he probably
> needs
> a new motherboard since the graphics controller cannot be changed
> independently and that it may or may not be covered under the recall.
> 
> 
> Brian
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
> 
>> The resets are part of the troubleshooting process, and are documented
>> in
>> the Apple service literature. While they don't always yield a change
>> in
>> the
>> issue, they are valid steps that the Genius or repair personnel will
>> enlist
>> before moving forward.
>> 
>> The nVidia issue is clearly documented on Apple's Support site, which
>> I
>> believe also includes a serial number check utility that will tell the
>> user
>> if their machine is included in the replacement campaign.
>> 
>> Dan (GSX certified Apple Tech)
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 21, 2011, at 1:02 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:
>> 
>>> In my experience, all of these resets are a waste of time.  Basically
>>> the
>>> graphics card will flake out a couple of time and then its just
>> completely
>>> dead.  My buddy went through all of the resets, battery swaps, as I
>> did
>> and
>>> in both cases a new motherboard was the only fix.  If his computer
>> was
>>> subject to the nVIDIA issue, they didn't know that or didn't tell
>> him.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 10:55 AM, andrew strasfogel
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Thanks.  Apple support told me the same thing so I will do this
>> when I
 get home tonight.
 
 What puzzles me is why the screen came back to life the first time -
 after I removed the battery for several hours and then reinstalled
>> it.
 Could this have been a coincidence?
 
 
 On 12/21/11, Dan Penoff  wrote:
> Even before you reset the NVRAM and the power controller, which is
> the
> procedure you describe, try resetting the PRAM, which you do by
> holding
 down
> the P + R + Command + Option keys during startup until you hear the
 "bong"
> sound - keep holding them down and let the machine restart 3 times
> with
 the
> "bong" sound and then let it start up.
> 
> This won't hurt anything and will reset the machine back to default
> settings.  Try your display after this and if no joy, try the
> procedure
 you
> have.  Again, it won't break anything.
> 
> Dan
> 
> On Dec 21, 2011, at 11:52 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:
> 
>> Unlike a Windows based PC, Macs do not require that the external
>> display
>> port be toggled on and off.  There is no "Fn + F4" function on a
>> Mac.
>> When you plug in the external display, you get it.
>> 
>> I checked, and the NVidia graphics issue went through late 2008
>> with
 MBPs,
>> so there migh

Re: [MBZ] Somewhat showroom 87 300D == atom bomb!

google   "atomic bomb mars bluff sc"   This must have been a different 
incident, in SC where just a bomb was let go, if I recall it had 
something to do with a stuck locking pin or something like that on the 
bomb release (I think it was a B-47) and a crewman crawled back into the 
bomb bay and was fooling with it and it released.  ohshit.  Buried 
itself pretty deep and tore a good hole in the ground.


and you will a lot of hits on it.  Add scetv to the search and you will 
get the info about the documentary I have seen.


Here is the ETV story
--Rhttp://www.scetv.org/index.php/press/release/incident_at_mars_bluff_-_how_a_nuclear_bomb_was_dropped_on_sc/
http://www.scetv.org/index.php/carolina_stories/show/incident_at_mars_bluff/

They have a sequence on there where the family was on that old TV show, 
What's My Line or something like that, the family that had it land in 
their yard was a bunch of country/hill folk, the gummint came and tore 
down the house and hauled it off, never paid them for it, they lost 
everything.  The family got a carton of cigs from the TV show for their 
appearance.  After some period of years the gummint finally coughed up 
some $$ but it was too little too late.


DVD   http://etvstore.org/products/detail.asp?pid=9154953335&fc=D and 
trailer  https://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=203285790294&topic=11567


Here you can download a newsreel  
http://www.archive.org/details/1958-03-13_Dead_A-Bomb_Hits_US_Town


--R

On 12/22/11 3:22 PM, WILTON wrote:
No, haven't seen a documentary about the local Goldsboro/Faro broken 
arrow. Faro is the little crossroads/farming village about 12 miles 
from here where the crash occurred.


Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas" 


To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Somewhat showroom 87 300D


Have you seen that documentary (they show it occasionally on the 
SCETV channel) about that town and the bombing?


--R

On 12/20/11 2:18 PM, WILTON wrote:
Local attorney rode with me to Raleigh yesterday on the 87 300D to 
meet with NC Highway Historical Marker Committee to request a marker 
denoting site of B-52G crash near here in Jan 1960 that dropped 2 
nuclear weapons onto  the small farming community.  They approved 
the marker.


Attorney friend found it very hard to believe that the 300D is 25 
years old; 'very impressed by the solid feel, quiet, solid sound and 
ride. 'Kept saying it could pass for only 3 or 4 years old 'cept for 
the outer design.  I couldn't help telling him that my OTHER car (91 
350SDL, only 21 years old&  198 kmi) drives and rides even better 
than this one.  He likes the MB tex, too.


Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] Somewhat showroom 87 300D

No, haven't seen a documentary about the local Goldsboro/Faro broken arrow. 
Faro is the little crossroads/farming village about 12 miles from here where 
the crash occurred.


Wilton

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Somewhat showroom 87 300D


Have you seen that documentary (they show it occasionally on the SCETV 
channel) about that town and the bombing?


--R

On 12/20/11 2:18 PM, WILTON wrote:
Local attorney rode with me to Raleigh yesterday on the 87 300D to meet 
with NC Highway Historical Marker Committee to request a marker denoting 
site of B-52G crash near here in Jan 1960 that dropped 2 nuclear weapons 
onto  the small farming community.  They approved the marker.


Attorney friend found it very hard to believe that the 300D is 25 years 
old; 'very impressed by the solid feel, quiet, solid sound and ride. 
'Kept saying it could pass for only 3 or 4 years old 'cept for the outer 
design.  I couldn't help telling him that my OTHER car (91 350SDL, only 
21 years old&  198 kmi) drives and rides even better than this one.  He 
likes the MB tex, too.


Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] Steve and Glow Plugs

BTW, I could hear the old/original relay click in the car; 'hafta have hood 
open and head down above the new one to hear it.  'Couse, I'm thinking now 
there's nothing wrong with original one; 'may put it back.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Mitch Haley" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 7:58 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Steve and Glow Plugs



Fmiser wrote:


Questions:

  * Is the glow _cycle_ only 4 seconds - or just the dash
light.  One way is with a meter, but this can be
determined audibly by listening for the relay.  Both
turning on and off.



That's my first guess too. One or more bad plugs, glow light won't stay 
on, car won't start because plugs are bad. Can you hear the relay click? 
Open the hood and the driver's window and listen. Or stand outside the car 
and reach in to turn the ignition.


On the SPAM issue. Editing your message repeatedly to try to pass muster 
will drive you nuts. Write it up new, with a different subject when your 
message bounces. There have been 3-4 messages this month that I never got 
through, my perseverance depends on how important the message is to me.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Glowing 91 350SDL

BTW, temp this morning 'bout 65; 'started with about a 7 sec glow; ran 
nicely/smoothly immediately.  Even when I hafta glow more, it runs/idles 
nicely/smoothly without any hesitation immediately.  One I'm getting 
reads -30 to +30 with graduations for better reading between.


Wilton

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Glowing 91 350SDL



Local NAPA store has one en route for me.  Thanks.

Wilton

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 2:10 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Glowing 91 350SDL



WILTON wrote:



'Having hard time finding 20amp meter at
reasonable price; 'may never need it again.  I'd like to find
a little dash-mounted-type meter that I suspect will work fine
for what I need.  'Just called Auto Zone; guy didn't know what
I was talking about; wanted to know what model and year car;
'hung up when I tried to tell 'im it doesn't matter, 'just
wanta measure glow plug amperage; 'don't wanta mount it.


That's why I gave you links to low-priced online sources. --Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Glowing 91 350SDL

Local NAPA store has one en route for me.  Thanks.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Fmiser" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 2:10 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Glowing 91 350SDL

WILTON wrote:

'Having hard time finding 20amp meter at
reasonable price; 'may never need it again.  I'd like to find
a little dash-mounted-type meter that I suspect will work fine
for what I need.  'Just called Auto Zone; guy didn't know what
I was talking about; wanted to know what model and year car;
'hung up when I tried to tell 'im it doesn't matter, 'just
wanta measure glow plug amperage; 'don't wanta mount it.

That's why I gave you links to low-priced online sources. 

--Philip

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Re: [MBZ] OM603 freeze plug replacement

On Dec 22, 2011 10:55 AM, "Tim C"  wrote:
>

> what IP seals/parts must I replace?  Is it worth replacing the
> miscellaneous IP seals listed at the bottom of the writeup above?
>

In my experience, all high-mileage OM603 IPs either leak from multiple
seals or will in the near future.  Better to just do them all at once while
it's convenient if you mean to keep the car a while.

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] 126 Speedo/Odo

On Thu, Dec 22, 2011, at 09:50 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:

> Use emachineshop.com?  I've heard good things about them.

Thanks for that link, I'll do some measuring and try to get a quote.

What's interesting about that site is that if the setup costs are high
compared to the marginal costs, rather than getting just one part you
can have them make more and then sell them in their online store to
others who might need the same thing.  Sounds like a great approach for
NLA stuff as our cars get older.

Allan

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[MBZ] OM603 freeze plug replacement

2011-12-22 Thread Tim C

You probably don't recall that my SDL (~310K) had a freeze plug leak
behind the IP a couple months ago.  I have the SWMBO go-ahead now, so
I'm getting really close to making the parts order.

I found this writeup of the job itself:
http://www.peachparts.com/Wikka/OM603InjectionPump

and aside from the holder widget I think I have what I need, except
for the freeze plugs themselves.  Someone had suggested the remaining
ones might have similar issues, so I will definitely order some extras
and check.

However, since I don't want to have to take the IP off for a while,
what IP seals/parts must I replace?  Is it worth replacing the
miscellaneous IP seals listed at the bottom of the writeup above?
Anything else?  I've had no complaints about the engine's running, but
similarly I don't want to introduce a leak or put off some other
common maintenance task that would require removing the IP again. :)

Thanks!
-Tim

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Re: [MBZ] 126 Speedo/Odo

On Dec 22, 2011 8:52 AM, "Allan Streib"  wrote:
>
> Hey maybe this is a way to get a
> replacement gear for my ACC servo...
> though that one is brass.
>

Make friends with someone who owns CNC equipment, run the existing gear
through a 3D scanner, and hand over the resulting CAD file to be cut?

Take the old gear to an old-school machinist, and have them measure it and
make a copy by hand?

Use emachineshop.com?  I've heard good things about them.

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: 126 Speedo/Odo

2011-12-22 Thread Jim Cathey

Hey maybe this is a way to get a replacement gear for my ACC servo... 
though that one is brass.


You could try what I did on my @$@#$ snowblower and braze a lump
onto your gear then file it back down to tooth shape...

(No, it never held up, but a snowblower auger gear might have
a tetch more stress on it.)

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] 126 Speedo/Odo

Hey maybe this is a way to get a replacement gear for my ACC servo... though 
that one is brass.

Allan


On Thu, Dec 22, 2011, at 11:24 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:
> Here ya go:
> http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2011/12/holiday-gift-guide-2011-santa-claus-machines.html
>
>
> I have been thinking about putting one of these together, I could
> actually just put the print head on my existing CNC machine and let it
> be driven by that, so it could be pretty cheap to build.  Not sure if
> the plastic used in the 3D printers would be sufficient to work as a
> gear in an odo, but maybe so.  Or if you could get sufficient
> resolution on the print job to have the necessary precision on gear
> teeth, etc. Might be easier to make one on a little CNC mill out of
> brass or aluminum, then use that to mold some (which is probably what
> these guys do).  I saw a little writeup somewhere on making injection
> molds and then injectors, did not look too hard to do.  The plastic is
> pretty stinky though, and you have to be careful of temperatures.
>
> I am actually going to spend my holiday down time next week trying to
> get my CNC fence system (for a router table and tablesaw) up and
> running, with a display, stepper controller, and keypad input device
> to set everything.  Try to get that going on an Arduino.  The hardware
> I have, including a scavenged parts mockup of the fence that is
> surprisingly accurate using a threaded rod and nuts epoxied into a
> coupla wood blocks, driven by an old printer stepper motor.  Mostly it
> is going to be a hooking up which wires to what pins exercise (the
> stepper controller wants to use certain pins, the keypad is agnostic,
> and the display is a serial), then writing some code to make it all
> work, more or less.  Then into production with some real bits!
>
> --R

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Re: [MBZ] 126 Speedo/Odo

Here ya go:
http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2011/12/holiday-gift-guide-2011-santa-claus-machines.html

I have been thinking about putting one of these together, I could
actually just put the print head on my existing CNC machine and let it
be driven by that, so it could be pretty cheap to build. Not sure if
the plastic used in the 3D printers would be sufficient to work as a
gear in an odo, but maybe so. Or if you could get sufficient resolution
on the print job to have the necessary precision on gear teeth, etc.
Might be easier to make one on a little CNC mill out of brass or
aluminum, then use that to mold some (which is probably what these guys
do). I saw a little writeup somewhere on making injection molds and
then injectors, did not look too hard to do. The plastic is pretty
stinky though, and you have to be careful of temperatures.

I am actually going to spend my holiday down time next week trying to
get my CNC fence system (for a router table and tablesaw) up and
running, with a display, stepper controller, and keypad input device to
set everything. Try to get that going on an Arduino. The hardware I
have, including a scavenged parts mockup of the fence that is
surprisingly accurate using a threaded rod and nuts epoxied into a
coupla wood blocks, driven by an old printer stepper motor. Mostly it
is going to be a hooking up which wires to what pins exercise (the
stepper controller wants to use certain pins, the keypad is agnostic,
and the display is a serial), then writing some code to make it all
work, more or less. Then into production with some real bits!

--R

On 12/20/11 8:08 PM, Dieselhead wrote:

Sounds like a Rich project to me!

On Dec 19, 2011 9:44 PM, "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

Interesting find! garagistic.com has gear sets for $17. THat is a
big

drop from $65 plus shipping from odo meter . com. I am going to count
teeth tomorrow and order the new ones. 5 x to 6x price is way better
then

20 to 30x markup.

Sounds to me like a perfect excuse to build a homebrew 3-d printer
and make

your own!

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Somewhat showroom 87 300D

Have you seen that documentary (they show it occasionally on the SCETV 
channel) about that town and the bombing?


--R

On 12/20/11 2:18 PM, WILTON wrote:

Local attorney rode with me to Raleigh yesterday on the 87 300D to meet with NC 
Highway Historical Marker Committee to request a marker denoting site of B-52G 
crash near here in Jan 1960 that dropped 2 nuclear weapons onto  the small 
farming community.  They approved the marker.

Attorney friend found it very hard to believe that the 300D is 25 years old; 'very 
impressed by the solid feel, quiet, solid sound and ride.  'Kept saying it could 
pass for only 3 or 4 years old 'cept for the outer design.  I couldn't help telling 
him that my OTHER car (91 350SDL, only 21 years old&  198 kmi) drives and rides 
even better than this one.  He likes the MB tex, too.

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] OT: MacPro laptop display failure

2011-12-22 Thread andrew strasfogel

Brian,

You nailed it.  My computer is covered by the Nvidia recall, so I can
drop it of at the nearby Applie Store at 7:15 tonight to get it fixed
free of charge.  Thanks!!  :))

I must say, the folks on this list are among the most helpful on this
(or any other) planet.

Andrew
2 300TDs and a black screen MBP

On 12/21/11, Brian Toscano  wrote:
> Andrew,
>
> I don't know where to look up the serial number, but here is a link from
> Apple's web site:
> http://support.apple.com/kb/TS2377
>
> Symptoms
>
> In July 2008, NVIDIA publicly acknowledged a higher than normal failure
> rate for some of their graphics processors due to a packaging defect. At
> that same time, NVIDIA assured Apple that Mac computers with these graphics
> processors were not affected. However, after an Apple-led investigation,
> Apple has determined that some MacBook Pro computers with the NVIDIA
> GeForce 8600M GT graphics processor may be affected. If the NVIDIA graphics
> processor in your MacBook Pro has failed, or fails within four years of the
> original date of purchase, a repair will be done free of charge, even if
> your MacBook Pro is out of warranty.
>
> *What to look for:
> *
>
>- Distorted or scrambled video on the computer screen
>- No video on the computer screen (or external display) even though the
>computer is on
>
> *Specific products affected:*
>
>- MacBook Pro 15-inch and 17-inch models with NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT
>graphics processors
>- MacBook Pro (17-Inch, 2.4GHz)
>   - MacBook Pro (15-Inch, 2.4/2.2GHz)
>   - MacBook Pro (Early 2008)
>- These computers were manufactured between approximately May 2007 and
>September 2008
>
> Products Affected
>
> MacBook Pro, models with NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT graphics processors
> Resolution
>
> If your MacBook Pro is exhibiting any of the symptoms listed above, please
> take it to an Apple Retail Store  or
> anApple Authorized Service Provider 
> (AASP)
> for evaluation, or call your nearest Apple Contact
> Center.
> Before visiting the Genius Bar at the Apple Retail Store, please make a
> reservation  (available in some
> countries only).
>
> Apple is issuing refunds to customers who may have paid for repairs related
> to this issue. Please contact
> Apple for
> details on the refund process.
>
> *Note*: If your MacBook Pro is not experiencing any of these symptoms, you
> do not need to contact Apple.
>
> Apple will continue to evaluate the repair data and will provide further
> repair extensions as needed.
>
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 8:55 PM, andrew strasfogel
> wrote:
>
>> With a magnifying glass I was able to read the serial number:  W87411ZHYAL
>>
>> Is this computer still under the campaign?
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
>>
>> > Worst case if it's not something covered under a campaign would be to go
>> > the flat fee repair they offer if you want to keep it.
>> >
>> > If I had a serial number I could look up the part on GSX and tell you,
>> but
>> > rest assured, it won't be cheap.
>> >
>> > Dan
>> >
>> > On Dec 21, 2011, at 3:11 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:
>> >
>> > > "He" being me, I am curious as to what it will cost for a new
>> > motherboard.
>> > >
>> > > On 12/21/11, Brian Toscano  wrote:
>> > >> Dan,
>> > >>
>> > >> I'm not sure if they changed the procedures since my motherboard was
>> > >> diagnosed and replaced, but back then they used a FireWire hard drive
>> to
>> > >> boot externally and it generated a light pattern that told the tech
>> "bad
>> > >> graphics controller".
>> > >>
>> > >> Troubleshooting procedures should be followed to correctly diagnose
>> the
>> > >> problem, but I can say that from personal experience that he probably
>> > needs
>> > >> a new motherboard since the graphics controller cannot be changed
>> > >> independently and that it may or may not be covered under the recall.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Brian
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Dan Penoff 
>> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>> The resets are part of the troubleshooting process, and are
>> documented
>> > in
>> > >>> the Apple service literature. While they don't always yield a change
>> in
>> > >>> the
>> > >>> issue, they are valid steps that the Genius or repair personnel will
>> > >>> enlist
>> > >>> before moving forward.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> The nVidia issue is clearly documented on Apple's Support site,
>> which I
>> > >>> believe also includes a serial number check utility that will tell
>> the
>> > >>> user
>> > >>> if their machine is included in the replacement campaign.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Dan (GSX certified Apple Tech)
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> On Dec 21, 2011, at 1:02 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:
>> > >>>
>> >  In my experience, all of the

Re: [MBZ] Leaky trans keeps leaking and shifts by itself?