Re: [MBZ] slooow

[Randy Bennell]

On 25/02/2012 10:21 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote:

An automatic 240D (we had one) is very un-fun in the acceleration
department.  The words "dangerously slow" tend to come to mind.
One of the few cars I've ever driven that could not keep speed
up some of our highway hills in this State...


And my 77hp '78 300D could not climb eastbound Snoqualmie Pass at full
throttle without shifting down to 3rd which means 45mph in a 60 zone.

RLE

___

I would agree with you. Most of the time, one can compensate to some 
extent by pre-planning one's moves. Need to pass someone? -  then drop 
back and approach at speed. If the way is clear, go around and if not, 
then slow back down and wait for another opportunity. It helps if one 
knows the road well and thus knows where the passing areas are.


However, there are spots where it is not possible to do that. Coming out 
of Kenora onto the westbound highway at the western edge of the bypass 
is one of those spots. One must come to a complete stop and then make a 
left turn  at a T intersection onto the highway. It is an uphill grade 
for the next half mile or more. Not steep but enough to make it 
difficult to accererate up to 60 mph in any sort of reasonable period of 
time. Then there is the traffic approaching from behind at highway 
speeds including many big trucks. Cannot really be avoided unless one 
takes a totally different route through town and gets onto the bypass 
sooner, further east, but I normally don't think to do that because I 
only take the car out to the lake, maybe once each year. Always makes me 
somewhat nervous to do that turn however. Can get over onto the shoulder 
and let vehicles pass me if necessary  but that is not the safest thing 
to do with the big trucks either as they cannot give you a whole lot of 
space if there is oncoming traffic as it is only a 2 lane highway.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas

[Gerry Archer]

Peugeot is losing money.  They are in talks with GM about some sort of alliance.

http://www.freep.com/article/20120222/BUSINESS01/202220465/France-confirms-GM-Peugeot-Citroen-negotiating-possible-alliance
 

Gerry  
 
> On 26 February 2012 22:33, Rich Thomas > wrote:
>> Last summer in Spain I rented a Peugeot diesel wagon, 5spd, it was brand
>> new when I picked it up at the airport.  I was pleasantly surprised at what
>> a nice car it was -- hauled 4 of us and all our stuff for 9 days on
>> high-speed roads and back roads and in town, A/C running (blowing ice
>> cold!) and I figured (with all the conversions of liters and kms) that it
>> was getting over 40mpg.  I really wonder why we cannot buy cars like that
>> here, and get over all this nonsense with electric scooters that are of
>> limited usefulness in all but very restricted circumstances.  Even a Pious
>> does not do much better than that, and probably not as good in highway
>> driving.
>>
>> I don't have strong opinions about them otherwise except -- let the car
>> companies build and sell them without subsidies from the gummint (i.e., you
>> and me, or those who pay taxes) and let them live or die in the market.  If
>> someone wants to pay huge money for one, so be it, I hope they are happy.
>>  But don't make me pay for their indulgence when there are much better
>> alternatives out there (e.g., the Peugeot diesel wagon).
>>
>> --R
>>
>> On 2/26/12 10:21 PM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:
>>
>>> Saw one in 2K10 at google I/O, they were still billing it as an electric
>>> car at that point, no mention of a fuel system.
>>>
>>> My understanding is that it was designed as a commuter car to get you from
>>> point A.0 to A.5 since point B.0 was a bit too far away.
>>>
>>> Walt
>>> On Feb 26, 2012 10:12 PM, "Allan Streib"  wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hans Neureiter  writes:

  For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles
> before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine.
>
 I thought the Volt was a series hybrid, the engine powers a generator
 which drives the wheel motors.  It has a modest battery pack to recover
 energy from braking and to help out off the line, but it was never
 really intended to go far on batteries alone.  Is that correct?

  Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the
> battery.
>
 Disappointing.  A modern diesel in a similar-sized car would do close to
 double that.

 Allan
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 1979 300SD

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Re: [MBZ] slooow

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

ahh the joys of driving a 240D, this brings back lots of memories.  
Almost makes me want another one so I can revisit my youth.


On 2/27/2012 10:07 AM, Randy Bennell wrote:

On 25/02/2012 10:21 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote:

An automatic 240D (we had one) is very un-fun in the acceleration
department.  The words "dangerously slow" tend to come to mind.
One of the few cars I've ever driven that could not keep speed
up some of our highway hills in this State...


And my 77hp '78 300D could not climb eastbound Snoqualmie Pass at full
throttle without shifting down to 3rd which means 45mph in a 60 zone.

RLE

___

I would agree with you. Most of the time, one can compensate to some 
extent by pre-planning one's moves. Need to pass someone? -  then drop 
back and approach at speed. If the way is clear, go around and if not, 
then slow back down and wait for another opportunity. It helps if one 
knows the road well and thus knows where the passing areas are.


However, there are spots where it is not possible to do that. Coming 
out of Kenora onto the westbound highway at the western edge of the 
bypass is one of those spots. One must come to a complete stop and 
then make a left turn  at a T intersection onto the highway. It is an 
uphill grade for the next half mile or more. Not steep but enough to 
make it difficult to accererate up to 60 mph in any sort of reasonable 
period of time. Then there is the traffic approaching from behind at 
highway speeds including many big trucks. Cannot really be avoided 
unless one takes a totally different route through town and gets onto 
the bypass sooner, further east, but I normally don't think to do that 
because I only take the car out to the lake, maybe once each year. 
Always makes me somewhat nervous to do that turn however. Can get over 
onto the shoulder and let vehicles pass me if necessary  but that is 
not the safest thing to do with the big trucks either as they cannot 
give you a whole lot of space if there is oncoming traffic as it is 
only a 2 lane highway.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas

[E M]

Sorry to hear they're losing money.  They haven't been available here in
Canada for decades now.  I've always liked them, and I think they're still
some of the best looking cars in Europe.  I drove a small one all over the
North of Italy, and it was a blast.  It was a 2.0L engine, which was the
largest the rental place could offer me.  I filled it up (with premium),
which was selling for just over twice what premium was in Canada at the
time.  Not sure how many litres to fill the tank, but I got near 1000kms
out of it, and I wasn't messing about.  I took full advantage of the
Autostrada, and all the mountain passes! ;-)

It was just a basic rental car, but everything felt good...the brakes,
steering, and manual trans.  Just enough understeer to keep the old ladies
out of the ditch, but not so much that a hooligan like me couldn't still
have a little fun through the twisty bits. hee hee.

Ed
300E

On 27 February 2012 10:53, Gerry Archer  wrote:

> Peugeot is losing money.  They are in talks with GM about some sort of
> alliance.
>
>
> http://www.freep.com/article/20120222/BUSINESS01/202220465/France-confirms-GM-Peugeot-Citroen-negotiating-possible-alliance
>
> Gerry
>
> > On 26 February 2012 22:33, Rich Thomas <
> richthomas79td...@constructivity.net
> >> wrote:
> >> Last summer in Spain I rented a Peugeot diesel wagon, 5spd, it was brand
> >> new when I picked it up at the airport.  I was pleasantly surprised at
> what
> >> a nice car it was -- hauled 4 of us and all our stuff for 9 days on
> >> high-speed roads and back roads and in town, A/C running (blowing ice
> >> cold!) and I figured (with all the conversions of liters and kms) that
> it
> >> was getting over 40mpg.  I really wonder why we cannot buy cars like
> that
> >> here, and get over all this nonsense with electric scooters that are of
> >> limited usefulness in all but very restricted circumstances.  Even a
> Pious
> >> does not do much better than that, and probably not as good in highway
> >> driving.
> >>
> >> I don't have strong opinions about them otherwise except -- let the car
> >> companies build and sell them without subsidies from the gummint (i.e.,
> you
> >> and me, or those who pay taxes) and let them live or die in the market.
>  If
> >> someone wants to pay huge money for one, so be it, I hope they are
> happy.
> >>  But don't make me pay for their indulgence when there are much better
> >> alternatives out there (e.g., the Peugeot diesel wagon).
> >>
> >> --R
> >>
> >> On 2/26/12 10:21 PM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:
> >>
> >>> Saw one in 2K10 at google I/O, they were still billing it as an
> electric
> >>> car at that point, no mention of a fuel system.
> >>>
> >>> My understanding is that it was designed as a commuter car to get you
> from
> >>> point A.0 to A.5 since point B.0 was a bit too far away.
> >>>
> >>> Walt
> >>> On Feb 26, 2012 10:12 PM, "Allan Streib"
>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>  Hans Neureiter  writes:
> 
>   For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25
> miles
> > before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine.
> >
>  I thought the Volt was a series hybrid, the engine powers a generator
>  which drives the wheel motors.  It has a modest battery pack to
> recover
>  energy from braking and to help out off the line, but it was never
>  really intended to go far on batteries alone.  Is that correct?
> 
>   Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on
> the
> > battery.
> >
>  Disappointing.  A modern diesel in a similar-sized car would do close
> to
>  double that.
> 
>  Allan
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Re: [MBZ] slooow

[E M]

Your drop back and charge approach is exactly how Sterling Moss described
how to properly overtake when passing, in his book on how to drive in a
safe sporting style.  Book was probably published in the 50s, as I recall
there was a chapter on bias ply tires.  hee hee.

Then there are times, when way to much power feels like just about the
right amount for the job at hand. ;-)  hee hee

Ed
300E

On 27 February 2012 11:07, Randy Bennell  wrote:

> On 25/02/2012 10:21 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote:
>
>> An automatic 240D (we had one) is very un-fun in the acceleration
>>> department.  The words "dangerously slow" tend to come to mind.
>>> One of the few cars I've ever driven that could not keep speed
>>> up some of our highway hills in this State...
>>>
>>>  And my 77hp '78 300D could not climb eastbound Snoqualmie Pass at full
>> throttle without shifting down to 3rd which means 45mph in a 60 zone.
>>
>> RLE
>>
>> __**_
>>
>>  I would agree with you. Most of the time, one can compensate to some
> extent by pre-planning one's moves. Need to pass someone? -  then drop back
> and approach at speed. If the way is clear, go around and if not, then slow
> back down and wait for another opportunity. It helps if one knows the road
> well and thus knows where the passing areas are.
>
> However, there are spots where it is not possible to do that. Coming out
> of Kenora onto the westbound highway at the western edge of the bypass is
> one of those spots. One must come to a complete stop and then make a left
> turn  at a T intersection onto the highway. It is an uphill grade for the
> next half mile or more. Not steep but enough to make it difficult to
> accererate up to 60 mph in any sort of reasonable period of time. Then
> there is the traffic approaching from behind at highway speeds including
> many big trucks. Cannot really be avoided unless one takes a totally
> different route through town and gets onto the bypass sooner, further east,
> but I normally don't think to do that because I only take the car out to
> the lake, maybe once each year. Always makes me somewhat nervous to do that
> turn however. Can get over onto the shoulder and let vehicles pass me if
> necessary  but that is not the safest thing to do with the big trucks
> either as they cannot give you a whole lot of space if there is oncoming
> traffic as it is only a 2 lane highway.
>
> Randy
>
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Re: [MBZ] $199 5 drawer tool cart from HF

[Greg Fiorentino]

I found these on sale at Costco for $299 for the pair.  I drove the few
extra miles to the Portland store to save the sales tax.  Both of the sets
in the store had some minor dents.  One was bad enough that one of the
drawers would not open.  The other set was missing keys.  The store manager
discounted 10% for the dents, and another 10% for the missing keys.  So I
walked out with the set for $239!  Rolling the chest around without the
drawers on the bottom unit allowed the drawers to slide open, a possible
problem with the drawers loaded with tools.  I emailed the company
(Whirlpool), and they sent me a set of keys at no charge.

They are not professional grade, but all ball-bearing drawers and fine if
the cabinets are not banged around.

http://www.amazon.com/Gladiator-GarageWorks-GATC26V9WG-Classic-9-Drawer/dp/B
0046ZSXEU/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1320552677&sr=8-


http://www.amazon.com/Gladiator-GarageWorks-GATR27V5WG-5-Drawer-Roll-Away/dp
/B0046ZSXDG/ref=pd_sbs_hi_4

or

http://tinyurl.com/898abf5

http://tinyurl.com/6wsflj9

Greg

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http://www.harborfreight.com/five-drawer-service-cart-95272.html?utm_medium=
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I shopped around for a bit and this, by far, was best bang for buck.

-Rolf

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Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas

[OK Don]

Umm - wrong. It's not the EPA, we can buy Diesels here now. Just go to your
local MB dealer (or VW, etc,). It's the lack of an informed market here.
They're not going to bring cars over that they can't sell because the US
still thinks of the GM Diesels from the 80's.

On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 10:40 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Last summer in Spain I rented a Peugeot diesel wagon, 5spd, it was brand
>> new when I picked it up at the airport.  I was pleasantly surprised at what
>> a nice car it was -- hauled 4 of us and all our stuff for 9 days on
>> high-speed roads and back roads and in town, A/C running (blowing ice
>> cold!) and I figured (with all the conversions of liters and kms) that it
>> was getting over 40mpg.  I really wonder why we cannot buy cars like that
>> here,
>>
>
> That is easy:  EPA
>
> (Otherwise known as gummit)
>
>
> Or is it Gummit, otherwise known as EPA?)
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Re: [MBZ] slooow

[Randy Bennell]

I have had plenty of practice over the years. I have had lots of low 
powered vehicles. My father was always more interested in fuel economy 
than horsepower and I suppose to a great extent I have followed that 
route too.
I have had a - 64 Anglia with an engine smaller than most motorcycles 
today, a  65 Mustang with the 170 cid inline 6, a 67 Chevy half ton 
truck with a 250 cid 6, a 74 Vega, and a 77 Monarch with a 250 cid 6 - 
none of which was any peppier than my 115 300D.


Randy

On 27/02/2012 12:42 PM, E M wrote:

Your drop back and charge approach is exactly how Sterling Moss described
how to properly overtake when passing, in his book on how to drive in a
safe sporting style.  Book was probably published in the 50s, as I recall
there was a chapter on bias ply tires.  hee hee.

Then there are times, when way to much power feels like just about the
right amount for the job at hand. ;-)  hee hee

Ed
300E

On 27 February 2012 11:07, Randy Bennell  wrote:


On 25/02/2012 10:21 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote:


An automatic 240D (we had one) is very un-fun in the acceleration

department.  The words "dangerously slow" tend to come to mind.
One of the few cars I've ever driven that could not keep speed
up some of our highway hills in this State...

  And my 77hp '78 300D could not climb eastbound Snoqualmie Pass at full

throttle without shifting down to 3rd which means 45mph in a 60 zone.

RLE

__**_

  I would agree with you. Most of the time, one can compensate to some

extent by pre-planning one's moves. Need to pass someone? -  then drop back
and approach at speed. If the way is clear, go around and if not, then slow
back down and wait for another opportunity. It helps if one knows the road
well and thus knows where the passing areas are.

However, there are spots where it is not possible to do that. Coming out
of Kenora onto the westbound highway at the western edge of the bypass is
one of those spots. One must come to a complete stop and then make a left
turn  at a T intersection onto the highway. It is an uphill grade for the
next half mile or more. Not steep but enough to make it difficult to
accererate up to 60 mph in any sort of reasonable period of time. Then
there is the traffic approaching from behind at highway speeds including
many big trucks. Cannot really be avoided unless one takes a totally
different route through town and gets onto the bypass sooner, further east,
but I normally don't think to do that because I only take the car out to
the lake, maybe once each year. Always makes me somewhat nervous to do that
turn however. Can get over onto the shoulder and let vehicles pass me if
necessary  but that is not the safest thing to do with the big trucks
either as they cannot give you a whole lot of space if there is oncoming
traffic as it is only a 2 lane highway.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] slooow

[Dan Penoff]

My first car was a 1970 Ford Maverick with the 170 cubic inch plant. Heater and 
an AM radio were the extent of the creature comforts in that car.

Poor thing could hardly get out of its own way. Thank goodness it had a three 
on the tree and not a slushbox.

Dan

On Feb 27, 2012, at 2:37 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:

> I have had plenty of practice over the years. I have had lots of low powered 
> vehicles. My father was always more interested in fuel economy than 
> horsepower and I suppose to a great extent I have followed that route too.
> I have had a - 64 Anglia with an engine smaller than most motorcycles today, 
> a  65 Mustang with the 170 cid inline 6, a 67 Chevy half ton truck with a 250 
> cid 6, a 74 Vega, and a 77 Monarch with a 250 cid 6 - none of which was any 
> peppier than my 115 300D.
> 
> Randy
> 
> On 27/02/2012 12:42 PM, E M wrote:
>> Your drop back and charge approach is exactly how Sterling Moss described
>> how to properly overtake when passing, in his book on how to drive in a
>> safe sporting style.  Book was probably published in the 50s, as I recall
>> there was a chapter on bias ply tires.  hee hee.
>> 
>> Then there are times, when way to much power feels like just about the
>> right amount for the job at hand. ;-)  hee hee
>> 
>> Ed
>> 300E
>> 
>> On 27 February 2012 11:07, Randy Bennell  wrote:
>> 
>>> On 25/02/2012 10:21 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote:
>>> 
 An automatic 240D (we had one) is very un-fun in the acceleration
> department.  The words "dangerously slow" tend to come to mind.
> One of the few cars I've ever driven that could not keep speed
> up some of our highway hills in this State...
> 
>  And my 77hp '78 300D could not climb eastbound Snoqualmie Pass at full
 throttle without shifting down to 3rd which means 45mph in a 60 zone.
 
 RLE
 
 __**_
 
  I would agree with you. Most of the time, one can compensate to some
>>> extent by pre-planning one's moves. Need to pass someone? -  then drop back
>>> and approach at speed. If the way is clear, go around and if not, then slow
>>> back down and wait for another opportunity. It helps if one knows the road
>>> well and thus knows where the passing areas are.
>>> 
>>> However, there are spots where it is not possible to do that. Coming out
>>> of Kenora onto the westbound highway at the western edge of the bypass is
>>> one of those spots. One must come to a complete stop and then make a left
>>> turn  at a T intersection onto the highway. It is an uphill grade for the
>>> next half mile or more. Not steep but enough to make it difficult to
>>> accererate up to 60 mph in any sort of reasonable period of time. Then
>>> there is the traffic approaching from behind at highway speeds including
>>> many big trucks. Cannot really be avoided unless one takes a totally
>>> different route through town and gets onto the bypass sooner, further east,
>>> but I normally don't think to do that because I only take the car out to
>>> the lake, maybe once each year. Always makes me somewhat nervous to do that
>>> turn however. Can get over onto the shoulder and let vehicles pass me if
>>> necessary  but that is not the safest thing to do with the big trucks
>>> either as they cannot give you a whole lot of space if there is oncoming
>>> traffic as it is only a 2 lane highway.
>>> 
>>> Randy
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas

[WILTON]

Yep.  GM ruined/destroyed Diesel market in USA with the "Diesel" crap they 
put in cars in late '70's and early '80's.


Wilton

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Umm - wrong. It's not the EPA, we can buy Diesels here now. Just go to 
your

local MB dealer (or VW, etc,). It's the lack of an informed market here.
They're not going to bring cars over that they can't sell because the US
still thinks of the GM Diesels from the 80's.

On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 10:40 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:


Last summer in Spain I rented a Peugeot diesel wagon, 5spd, it was brand
new when I picked it up at the airport.  I was pleasantly surprised at 
what

a nice car it was -- hauled 4 of us and all our stuff for 9 days on
high-speed roads and back roads and in town, A/C running (blowing ice
cold!) and I figured (with all the conversions of liters and kms) that 
it
was getting over 40mpg.  I really wonder why we cannot buy cars like 
that

here,



That is easy:  EPA

(Otherwise known as gummit)


Or is it Gummit, otherwise known as EPA?)

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Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas

[E M]

I would suggest that one of the main reasons for not seeing more diesels in
North America, is the stigma they still carry as being dirty oil burners.
There is a large market of potential diesels buyers, who not only don't
remember the problems GM had in the 80s, but also weren't driving, or
perhaps even born at the time.

Gas has been, and is still quite cheap here, but if things continue as they
are, maybe the marketing guys can use the potential savings in running
costs of a diesel, over the slightly higher purchase price, to make them
look like a good alternative to gas, or plug in cars.  Diesels have also
been pitched as the utilitarian alternative (which many interpret as truck
like).  In Europe, you can find every high end car, fully loaded, with a
diesel engine.  Here, they are often stripped down versions, of their
gasser counterpart.  Again, maybe perceptions, and choices will change in
the coming years.

Ed
300E

On 27 February 2012 14:35, OK Don  wrote:

> Umm - wrong. It's not the EPA, we can buy Diesels here now. Just go to your
> local MB dealer (or VW, etc,). It's the lack of an informed market here.
> They're not going to bring cars over that they can't sell because the US
> still thinks of the GM Diesels from the 80's.
>
> On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 10:40 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Last summer in Spain I rented a Peugeot diesel wagon, 5spd, it was brand
> >> new when I picked it up at the airport.  I was pleasantly surprised at
> what
> >> a nice car it was -- hauled 4 of us and all our stuff for 9 days on
> >> high-speed roads and back roads and in town, A/C running (blowing ice
> >> cold!) and I figured (with all the conversions of liters and kms) that
> it
> >> was getting over 40mpg.  I really wonder why we cannot buy cars like
> that
> >> here,
> >>
> >
> > That is easy:  EPA
> >
> > (Otherwise known as gummit)
> >
> >
> > Or is it Gummit, otherwise known as EPA?)
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Re: [MBZ] slooow

[E M]

One of my early cars was a Chev Chevette.  I remember having to stick a wet
finger out the window as I was approaching an on ramp to the highway, to
get a wind direction reading.  If I got a head wind, I knew merging was
going to be a white knuckle affair!

Having a passenger along in that car was always a bonus though.  I could
get them to stick one leg out the door, to help out when overtaking. ;-)
hee hee.

Ed
300E

On 27 February 2012 14:37, Randy Bennell  wrote:

> I have had plenty of practice over the years. I have had lots of low
> powered vehicles. My father was always more interested in fuel economy than
> horsepower and I suppose to a great extent I have followed that route too.
> I have had a - 64 Anglia with an engine smaller than most motorcycles
> today, a  65 Mustang with the 170 cid inline 6, a 67 Chevy half ton truck
> with a 250 cid 6, a 74 Vega, and a 77 Monarch with a 250 cid 6 - none of
> which was any peppier than my 115 300D.
>
> Randy
>
> On 27/02/2012 12:42 PM, E M wrote:
>
>> Your drop back and charge approach is exactly how Sterling Moss described
>> how to properly overtake when passing, in his book on how to drive in a
>> safe sporting style.  Book was probably published in the 50s, as I recall
>> there was a chapter on bias ply tires.  hee hee.
>>
>> Then there are times, when way to much power feels like just about the
>> right amount for the job at hand. ;-)  hee hee
>>
>> Ed
>> 300E
>>
>> On 27 February 2012 11:07, Randy Bennell  wrote:
>>
>>  On 25/02/2012 10:21 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>  An automatic 240D (we had one) is very un-fun in the acceleration

> department.  The words "dangerously slow" tend to come to mind.
> One of the few cars I've ever driven that could not keep speed
> up some of our highway hills in this State...
>
>  And my 77hp '78 300D could not climb eastbound Snoqualmie Pass at full
>
 throttle without shifting down to 3rd which means 45mph in a 60 zone.

 RLE

 ___

  I would agree with you. Most of the time, one can compensate to some

>>> extent by pre-planning one's moves. Need to pass someone? -  then drop
>>> back
>>> and approach at speed. If the way is clear, go around and if not, then
>>> slow
>>> back down and wait for another opportunity. It helps if one knows the
>>> road
>>> well and thus knows where the passing areas are.
>>>
>>> However, there are spots where it is not possible to do that. Coming out
>>> of Kenora onto the westbound highway at the western edge of the bypass is
>>> one of those spots. One must come to a complete stop and then make a left
>>> turn  at a T intersection onto the highway. It is an uphill grade for the
>>> next half mile or more. Not steep but enough to make it difficult to
>>> accererate up to 60 mph in any sort of reasonable period of time. Then
>>> there is the traffic approaching from behind at highway speeds including
>>> many big trucks. Cannot really be avoided unless one takes a totally
>>> different route through town and gets onto the bypass sooner, further
>>> east,
>>> but I normally don't think to do that because I only take the car out to
>>> the lake, maybe once each year. Always makes me somewhat nervous to do
>>> that
>>> turn however. Can get over onto the shoulder and let vehicles pass me if
>>> necessary  but that is not the safest thing to do with the big trucks
>>> either as they cannot give you a whole lot of space if there is oncoming
>>> traffic as it is only a 2 lane highway.
>>>
>>> Randy
>>>
>>> ___
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>>>
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Re: [MBZ] slooow

[Tim C]

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Randy Bennell  wrote:

> I would agree with you. Most of the time, one can compensate to some extent
> by pre-planning one's moves. Need to pass someone? -  then drop back and
> approach at speed. If the way is clear, go around and if not, then slow back
> down and wait for another opportunity. It helps if one knows the road well
> and thus knows where the passing areas are.

I've never driven a W123 240D, but my automatic '74 was quite decent;
I still use it as my benchmark for getting up one particular hill -
haven't optimized the 300D to match it yet.  It wasn't an amazing
accelerator but it wouldn't make you feel like you were slowing anyone
down, either.  It would ramp to 80 on the interstate without any
trouble, and as fast as "normal" cars that weren't flooring it.

Not sure if it was well-maintained or if I just got lucky, or if there
was some dramatic change between the '115s and the '123s, but it
certainly didn't resemble the crazy-slow 240Ds I read about here.

Best,
-Tim

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Re: [MBZ] slooow

[Curt Raymond]

These kind of posts make me laugh, I commute 110 miles every day with a 240D, 
have been doing so for years. The hills here aren't all that big but I do have 
a 600' elevation change between home and work.

MA drivers are considered some of the more aggressive in the world and I've 
never had a serious problem with my car "not being fast enough". Somebody said 
the other day that a 240D is happiest at 60mph, I disagree I think they like 
best to be flogged up to 80, that keeps the carbon out of the engine.

Curt

Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 12:23:58 -0600
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] slooow
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

ahh the joys of driving a 240D, this brings back lots of memories.  
Almost makes me want another one so I can revisit my youth.

On 2/27/2012 10:07 AM, Randy Bennell wrote:
> On 25/02/2012 10:21 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote:
>>> An automatic 240D (we had one) is very un-fun in the acceleration
>>> department.  The words "dangerously slow" tend to come to mind.
>>> One of the few cars I've ever driven that could not keep speed
>>> up some of our highway hills in this State...
>>>
>> And my 77hp '78 300D could not climb eastbound Snoqualmie Pass at full
>> throttle without shifting down to 3rd which means 45mph in a 60 zone.
>>
>> RLE
>>
>> ___
>>
> I would agree with you. Most of the time, one can compensate to some 
> extent by pre-planning one's moves. Need to pass someone? -  then drop 
> back and approach at speed. If the way is clear, go around and if not, 
> then slow back down and wait for another opportunity. It helps if one 
> knows the road well and thus knows where the passing areas are.
>
> However, there are spots where it is not possible to do that. Coming 
> out of Kenora onto the westbound highway at the western edge of the 
> bypass is one of those spots. One must come to a complete stop and 
> then make a left turn  at a T intersection onto the highway. It is an 
> uphill grade for the next half mile or more. Not steep but enough to 
> make it difficult to accererate up to 60 mph in any sort of reasonable 
> period of time. Then there is the traffic approaching from behind at 
> highway speeds including many big trucks. Cannot really be avoided 
> unless one takes a totally different route through town and gets onto 
> the bypass sooner, further east, but I normally don't think to do that 
> because I only take the car out to the lake, maybe once each year. 
> Always makes me somewhat nervous to do that turn however. Can get over 
> onto the shoulder and let vehicles pass me if necessary  but that is 
> not the safest thing to do with the big trucks either as they cannot 
> give you a whole lot of space if there is oncoming traffic as it is 
> only a 2 lane highway.
>
> Randy

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Re: [MBZ] slooow

[Dan Penoff]

Yabbut you're pretty equally matched considering the vehicle of choice around 
there used to be a Volvo 240 wagon.

Dan (who has driven on I-95 and 128 more times than he would like to recall)


On Feb 27, 2012, at 4:51 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

> These kind of posts make me laugh, I commute 110 miles every day with a 240D, 
> have been doing so for years. The hills here aren't all that big but I do 
> have a 600' elevation change between home and work.
> 
> MA drivers are considered some of the more aggressive in the world and I've 
> never had a serious problem with my car "not being fast enough". Somebody 
> said the other day that a 240D is happiest at 60mph, I disagree I think they 
> like best to be flogged up to 80, that keeps the carbon out of the engine.
> 
> Curt
> 
> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 12:23:58 -0600
> From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] slooow
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> ahh the joys of driving a 240D, this brings back lots of memories.  
> Almost makes me want another one so I can revisit my youth.
> 
> On 2/27/2012 10:07 AM, Randy Bennell wrote:
>> On 25/02/2012 10:21 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote:
 An automatic 240D (we had one) is very un-fun in the acceleration
 department.  The words "dangerously slow" tend to come to mind.
 One of the few cars I've ever driven that could not keep speed
 up some of our highway hills in this State...
 
>>> And my 77hp '78 300D could not climb eastbound Snoqualmie Pass at full
>>> throttle without shifting down to 3rd which means 45mph in a 60 zone.
>>> 
>>> RLE
>>> 
>>> ___
>>> 
>> I would agree with you. Most of the time, one can compensate to some 
>> extent by pre-planning one's moves. Need to pass someone? -  then drop 
>> back and approach at speed. If the way is clear, go around and if not, 
>> then slow back down and wait for another opportunity. It helps if one 
>> knows the road well and thus knows where the passing areas are.
>> 
>> However, there are spots where it is not possible to do that. Coming 
>> out of Kenora onto the westbound highway at the western edge of the 
>> bypass is one of those spots. One must come to a complete stop and 
>> then make a left turn  at a T intersection onto the highway. It is an 
>> uphill grade for the next half mile or more. Not steep but enough to 
>> make it difficult to accererate up to 60 mph in any sort of reasonable 
>> period of time. Then there is the traffic approaching from behind at 
>> highway speeds including many big trucks. Cannot really be avoided 
>> unless one takes a totally different route through town and gets onto 
>> the bypass sooner, further east, but I normally don't think to do that 
>> because I only take the car out to the lake, maybe once each year. 
>> Always makes me somewhat nervous to do that turn however. Can get over 
>> onto the shoulder and let vehicles pass me if necessary  but that is 
>> not the safest thing to do with the big trucks either as they cannot 
>> give you a whole lot of space if there is oncoming traffic as it is 
>> only a 2 lane highway.
>> 
>> Randy
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Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas

[Curt Raymond]

Partially right I think.

The EPA rules are almost absurdly tight for diesel cars (an exception is of 
course made for pickup trucks) and while some manufacturers have met the 
requirements most consider it not worth it because as you've said the average 
American sheeple doesn't see the benefit.

The one I'd like is the Subaru which supposedly makes better power than its 
gasser cousin while consuming much less fuel. Supposedly gets 60mpg which I 
presume is imperial gallons but still.


-Curt

Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 13:35:17 -0600
From: OK Don 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas
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Umm - wrong. It's not the EPA, we can buy Diesels here now. Just go to your
local MB dealer (or VW, etc,). It's the lack of an informed market here.
They're not going to bring cars over that they can't sell because the US
still thinks of the GM Diesels from the 80's.

On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 10:40 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Last summer in Spain I rented a Peugeot diesel wagon, 5spd, it was brand
>> new when I picked it up at the airport.  I was pleasantly surprised at what
>> a nice car it was -- hauled 4 of us and all our stuff for 9 days on
>> high-speed roads and back roads and in town, A/C running (blowing ice
>> cold!) and I figured (with all the conversions of liters and kms) that it
>> was getting over 40mpg.  I really wonder why we cannot buy cars like that
>> here,
>>
>
> That is easy:  EPA
>
> (Otherwise known as gummit)
>
>
> Or is it Gummit, otherwise known as EPA?)
>

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Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas

[Curt Raymond]

I think with half the marketing money used on the Volt and a decent car from 
one of the big 3 you could pretty easily reverse that notion. Especially with 
something like the Subaru I mentioned before...

I'm of the opinion that most auto execs are as dumb (or dumber even) than movie 
studio execs.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 14:43:19 -0500
From: "WILTON" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas
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Yep.  GM ruined/destroyed Diesel market in USA with the "Diesel" crap they 
put in cars in late '70's and early '80's.

Wilto

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Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas

[Scott Ritchey]

The price and availability of diesel fuel is a factor too.

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Yep.  GM ruined/destroyed Diesel market in USA with the "Diesel" crap they 
put in cars in late '70's and early '80's.

Wilton

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas


> Umm - wrong. It's not the EPA, we can buy Diesels here now. Just go to 
> your
> local MB dealer (or VW, etc,). It's the lack of an informed market here.
> They're not going to bring cars over that they can't sell because the US
> still thinks of the GM Diesels from the 80's.
>
> On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 10:40 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Last summer in Spain I rented a Peugeot diesel wagon, 5spd, it was brand
>>> new when I picked it up at the airport.  I was pleasantly surprised at 
>>> what
>>> a nice car it was -- hauled 4 of us and all our stuff for 9 days on
>>> high-speed roads and back roads and in town, A/C running (blowing ice
>>> cold!) and I figured (with all the conversions of liters and kms) that 
>>> it
>>> was getting over 40mpg.  I really wonder why we cannot buy cars like 
>>> that
>>> here,
>>>
>>
>> That is easy:  EPA
>>
>> (Otherwise known as gummit)
>>
>>
>> Or is it Gummit, otherwise known as EPA?)
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas

[Scott Ritchey]

Supplemental.  Haven't checked lately, but when I lived in FL few years ago,
the FL tax on Diesel was double the tax on gasoline.  Makes me wonder about
the whole price structure considering Diesel was cheaper than gas during the
70s fuel "shortages."  Specifically, how much cost per gallon is fed tax,
state tax, and EPA cost (i.e. gummite cost).

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On Behalf Of Scott Ritchey
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 5:46 PM
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The price and availability of diesel fuel is a factor too.

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Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 2:43 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas

Yep.  GM ruined/destroyed Diesel market in USA with the "Diesel" crap they 
put in cars in late '70's and early '80's.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "OK Don" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas


> Umm - wrong. It's not the EPA, we can buy Diesels here now. Just go to 
> your
> local MB dealer (or VW, etc,). It's the lack of an informed market here.
> They're not going to bring cars over that they can't sell because the US
> still thinks of the GM Diesels from the 80's.
>
> On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 10:40 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Last summer in Spain I rented a Peugeot diesel wagon, 5spd, it was brand
>>> new when I picked it up at the airport.  I was pleasantly surprised at 
>>> what
>>> a nice car it was -- hauled 4 of us and all our stuff for 9 days on
>>> high-speed roads and back roads and in town, A/C running (blowing ice
>>> cold!) and I figured (with all the conversions of liters and kms) that 
>>> it
>>> was getting over 40mpg.  I really wonder why we cannot buy cars like 
>>> that
>>> here,
>>>
>>
>> That is easy:  EPA
>>
>> (Otherwise known as gummit)
>>
>>
>> Or is it Gummit, otherwise known as EPA?)
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Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas

[WILTON]

Well, the higher cost of Diesel has become a detrimental factor only in the 
last coupla years, but in years past, the cost was by far the OTHER way. 
BTW, yesterday I paid $3.95/gal for some of that "ten-cent" fuel.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Ritchey" 

To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas



The price and availability of diesel fuel is a factor too.

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On Behalf Of WILTON
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 2:43 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas

Yep.  GM ruined/destroyed Diesel market in USA with the "Diesel" crap they
put in cars in late '70's and early '80's.

Wilton

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From: "OK Don" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas



Umm - wrong. It's not the EPA, we can buy Diesels here now. Just go to
your
local MB dealer (or VW, etc,). It's the lack of an informed market here.
They're not going to bring cars over that they can't sell because the US
still thinks of the GM Diesels from the 80's.

On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 10:40 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:


Last summer in Spain I rented a Peugeot diesel wagon, 5spd, it was brand

new when I picked it up at the airport.  I was pleasantly surprised at
what
a nice car it was -- hauled 4 of us and all our stuff for 9 days on
high-speed roads and back roads and in town, A/C running (blowing ice
cold!) and I figured (with all the conversions of liters and kms) that
it
was getting over 40mpg.  I really wonder why we cannot buy cars like
that
here,



That is easy:  EPA

(Otherwise known as gummit)


Or is it Gummit, otherwise known as EPA?)

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Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas

[Mitch Haley]

Curt Raymond wrote:

Partially right I think.

The EPA rules are almost absurdly tight for diesel cars 


Worse yet, the CARB rules are impossible, and most makers won't touch the US 
market unless they can move that product in CA.


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Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas

[Mitch Haley]

Gerry Archer wrote:

Peugeot is losing money.  They are in talks with GM about some sort of alliance.


I thought Renault and American Motors did the Alliance.

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Re: [MBZ] The 240D LIVES!

[Scott Ritchey]

Inspect the anti-sway torsion bar ends.  On my '79 300TD, the plastic link
that connected the sway bar to the back suspension broke allowing the end of
the sway bar to rub the wheel and produce a grinding noise, mainly while
turning.

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On Behalf Of Mitch Haley
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] The 240D LIVES!

Kevin Kraly wrote:
> There's a rattle/grinding somewhere in the left rear when the car is
moving.

Sounds like an axle/CV joint?

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Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas

[Scott Ritchey]

A Subaru MPG observation.  I have a 2008 Outback with the NA 2.5L boxer
motor.  Plenty of power considering previous car was NA 300TD. With all the
rotating AWD stuff, this will never be an MPG champ; but conditions are
everything.  I get close to 40 mpg cruising at 50 mph on a country road
providing the engine is at operating temperature.  But I only get and
somewhere in the low teens for the first mile or two when the engine is
cold.  Of course, I get zero mpg at a stop light; every time I look there
seem to be more stop lights (the only justification for hybrids IMO).

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Curt Raymond
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 5:18 PM
To: Diesel List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas

Partially right I think.

The EPA rules are almost absurdly tight for diesel cars (an exception is of
course made for pickup trucks) and while some manufacturers have met the
requirements most consider it not worth it because as you've said the
average American sheeple doesn't see the benefit.

The one I'd like is the Subaru which supposedly makes better power than its
gasser cousin while consuming much less fuel. Supposedly gets 60mpg which I
presume is imperial gallons but still.


-Curt

Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 13:35:17 -0600
From: OK Don 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas
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Umm - wrong. It's not the EPA, we can buy Diesels here now. Just go to your
local MB dealer (or VW, etc,). It's the lack of an informed market here.
They're not going to bring cars over that they can't sell because the US
still thinks of the GM Diesels from the 80's.

On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 10:40 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Last summer in Spain I rented a Peugeot diesel wagon, 5spd, it was brand
>> new when I picked it up at the airport.  I was pleasantly surprised at
what
>> a nice car it was -- hauled 4 of us and all our stuff for 9 days on
>> high-speed roads and back roads and in town, A/C running (blowing ice
>> cold!) and I figured (with all the conversions of liters and kms) that it
>> was getting over 40mpg.  I really wonder why we cannot buy cars like that
>> here,
>>
>
> That is easy:  EPA
>
> (Otherwise known as gummit)
>
>
> Or is it Gummit, otherwise known as EPA?)
>

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[MBZ] The round wagon

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Hendrik
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Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas

[Mitch Haley]

Scott Ritchey wrote:

A Subaru MPG observation.  I have a 2008 Outback with the NA 2.5L boxer
motor.  Plenty of power considering previous car was NA 300TD. With all the
rotating AWD stuff, this will never be an MPG champ; but conditions are
everything.  I get close to 40 mpg cruising at 50 mph on a country road
providing the engine is at operating temperature. 



I suspect I'll never do that in a 4matic wagon. In the summer, I can hit 
37-39mpg in a twin cam 2.4L Achieva at 45-65mph (that car does not care how fast 
you're going, as long as you're going fast enough to get it locked into 4th and 
you're not going over 65)




But I only get and somewhere in the low teens for the first mile or two when 
the engine is
cold.


Takes the Olds 1-3 miles to get the trip average over 20mpg, depending on the 
weather.


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Re: [MBZ] The 240D LIVES!

[Scott Ritchey]

I did this job on a 123 (from the top) and 126 (from the bottom).  It was
easier from the top (but need to remove center console and shifter first).
There are also bushings (nylon, I think) on the shifter that wear out and
these are easily replaced from the top at the same time.  Be careful not to
lose the spring clips on the transmission linkages; they can shoot a long
way.

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On Behalf Of Dieselhead
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 9:07 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] The 240D LIVES!

Gear shift misalignment is easily cured by new bushings.  they are 
pretty cheap, but you may need to take the levver off the side of the 
trans in order to get the new one pressed in.

Sounds like a buy!  Congrats!

I like Liesel the Diesel!


>All I had to do to get her running was to hook up the new battery! 
>One 45 second glow cycle and it lit right off like it was sitting 
>overnight! The idle is a bit low and the shift notches don't line up 
>with the gates, but the drivetrain performs as it should, even the 
>kickdown function! Holding true with any 35 year old survivor, she 
>does have some bad and a bit of ugly thrown in too. There's a 
>rattle/grinding somewhere in the left rear when the car is moving. I 
>thought it was the muffler dragging, but the exhaust seems to be 
>buttoned up tightly. It doesn't sound like a sway bar link, more 
>rotational sounding. It came with a set of brake pads, so it could 
>be something with the left rear caliper. The back of the hood is up, 
>probably bent hinges, and the UGLY is the rust through under the 
>battery tray! A little microwave sheet metal, some welding, painting 
>and rust proofer would do it (where are you, Cathey? The rear window 
>gasket is quite dry and cracked, and the front isn't far behind. 
>It's straight with a decent interior other than the warn driver's 
>seat. All in all, it's a great car for $750!
>Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon
>1977 240D, 315K miles, Unnamed
>PS. Still working on some German names, Irmgard, Liesel, ideas? I 
>thought about Ismelda, (I smelled her) from a mile away hahahahaha!)
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Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas

[Rich Thomas]

MA adopted CA rules too on diesels, the reason being unclear except it 
is a very liberal state full of hacks and idiots (oops, redundant).  
That sorta killed the diesel option in that part of the country too I 
think.  Not sure where they are now, but some years ago that was the 
case.  Curt will probably have a comment on that, being more recent 
vintage in the state.  Maybe he could suggest a higher tax on them


--R

On 2/27/12 6:06 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

Curt Raymond wrote:

Partially right I think.

The EPA rules are almost absurdly tight for diesel cars 


Worse yet, the CARB rules are impossible, and most makers won't touch 
the US market unless they can move that product in CA.


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Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas

[clay monroe]

Fed tax on petrol is 0.18, #2 diesel is 0.25 per gallon

clay

On Feb 27, 2012, at 2:53 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote:

> Supplemental.  Haven't checked lately, but when I lived in FL few years ago,
> the FL tax on Diesel was double the tax on gasoline.  Makes me wonder about
> the whole price structure considering Diesel was cheaper than gas during the
> 70s fuel "shortages."  Specifically, how much cost per gallon is fed tax,
> state tax, and EPA cost (i.e. gummite cost).
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
> On Behalf Of Scott Ritchey
> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 5:46 PM
> To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas
> 
> The price and availability of diesel fuel is a factor too.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
> On Behalf Of WILTON
> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 2:43 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas
> 
> Yep.  GM ruined/destroyed Diesel market in USA with the "Diesel" crap they 
> put in cars in late '70's and early '80's.
> 
> Wilton
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "OK Don" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 2:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas
> 
> 
>> Umm - wrong. It's not the EPA, we can buy Diesels here now. Just go to 
>> your
>> local MB dealer (or VW, etc,). It's the lack of an informed market here.
>> They're not going to bring cars over that they can't sell because the US
>> still thinks of the GM Diesels from the 80's.
>> 
>> On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 10:40 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Last summer in Spain I rented a Peugeot diesel wagon, 5spd, it was brand
 new when I picked it up at the airport.  I was pleasantly surprised at 
 what
 a nice car it was -- hauled 4 of us and all our stuff for 9 days on
 high-speed roads and back roads and in town, A/C running (blowing ice
 cold!) and I figured (with all the conversions of liters and kms) that 
 it
 was getting over 40mpg.  I really wonder why we cannot buy cars like 
 that
 here,
 
>>> 
>>> That is easy:  EPA
>>> 
>>> (Otherwise known as gummit)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Or is it Gummit, otherwise known as EPA?)
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas

[clay monroe]

In the great PNW, we have bioD at $0.28 discount over #2 diesel

clay

On Feb 27, 2012, at 3:00 PM, WILTON wrote:

> Well, the higher cost of Diesel has become a detrimental factor only in the 
> last coupla years, but in years past, the cost was by far the OTHER way. BTW, 
> yesterday I paid $3.95/gal for some of that "ten-cent" fuel.
> 
> Wilton
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Scott Ritchey" 
> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 5:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas
> 
> 
>> The price and availability of diesel fuel is a factor too.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
>> On Behalf Of WILTON
>> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 2:43 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas
>> 
>> Yep.  GM ruined/destroyed Diesel market in USA with the "Diesel" crap they
>> put in cars in late '70's and early '80's.
>> 
>> Wilton
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "OK Don" 
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 2:35 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas
>> 
>> 
>>> Umm - wrong. It's not the EPA, we can buy Diesels here now. Just go to
>>> your
>>> local MB dealer (or VW, etc,). It's the lack of an informed market here.
>>> They're not going to bring cars over that they can't sell because the US
>>> still thinks of the GM Diesels from the 80's.
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 10:40 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
 Last summer in Spain I rented a Peugeot diesel wagon, 5spd, it was brand
> new when I picked it up at the airport.  I was pleasantly surprised at
> what
> a nice car it was -- hauled 4 of us and all our stuff for 9 days on
> high-speed roads and back roads and in town, A/C running (blowing ice
> cold!) and I figured (with all the conversions of liters and kms) that
> it
> was getting over 40mpg.  I really wonder why we cannot buy cars like
> that
> here,
> 
 
 That is easy:  EPA
 
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Re: [MBZ] The round wagon

[Mitch Haley]

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who has a later version of a MB wagon



Oooh, I know where there's a totaled 2000 E320 4matic sedan.
That would be one way to chase the mechanical and electrical gremlins out of a 
car that's been parked for 35 years.


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Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas

[Mitch Haley]

clay monroe wrote:

Fed tax on petrol is 0.18, #2 diesel is 0.25 per gallon


...unless you're driving one of the vehicles that does 30,000 times the road 
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[MBZ] OT Macbook trackpad and LCD not working but linux is

[Hendrik and Fay]

Been having some issues with the trackpad on the Mac, seems to have a 
mind of it's own. Bloody thing is of course out of warranty.
Anyone know anything about these things? Seems to be a hardware issue as 
it works well sometimes and then goes wonky. Talked to the Indian apple 
techie who got me to put the recovery disc in there and it still flunked 
out.
On a brighter note, finally got around to upgrading my Ubuntu OS which 
had become very cranky and needed a new install. Got 11.10 which seems 
very appely in it's interface, clicked on the system settings and it 
looks just about like an apple OS one.
Also my Benq LCD monitor decided to crap out, am trying to source a new 
power/inverter board but that is nearly mission impossible. So I bought 
a new one to be able to read your words of wisdom and general ravings.


Hendrik
who has a love hate relationship with computers and cars

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Re: [MBZ] OT Macbook trackpad and LCD not working but linux is

[clay monroe]

Monitor is suffering from a bad chinese capacitor.  Unless it is over 26 
inches, not worth spending cash for a shop to fix.  

The macbook, depends upon which model, but I suspect you will have to source a 
new top case.  Keyboard and pad to swap out the old one.

clay


On Feb 27, 2012, at 3:33 PM, Hendrik and Fay wrote:

> Been having some issues with the trackpad on the Mac, seems to have a mind of 
> it's own. Bloody thing is of course out of warranty.
> Anyone know anything about these things? Seems to be a hardware issue as it 
> works well sometimes and then goes wonky. Talked to the Indian apple techie 
> who got me to put the recovery disc in there and it still flunked out.
> On a brighter note, finally got around to upgrading my Ubuntu OS which had 
> become very cranky and needed a new install. Got 11.10 which seems very 
> appely in it's interface, clicked on the system settings and it looks just 
> about like an apple OS one.
> Also my Benq LCD monitor decided to crap out, am trying to source a new 
> power/inverter board but that is nearly mission impossible. So I bought a new 
> one to be able to read your words of wisdom and general ravings.
> 
> Hendrik
> who has a love hate relationship with computers and cars
> 
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Re: [MBZ] slooow

[Randy Bennell]

On 27/02/2012 3:51 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

These kind of posts make me laugh, I commute 110 miles every day with a 240D, 
have been doing so for years. The hills here aren't all that big but I do have 
a 600' elevation change between home and work.

MA drivers are considered some of the more aggressive in the world and I've never had a 
serious problem with my car "not being fast enough". Somebody said the other 
day that a 240D is happiest at 60mph, I disagree I think they like best to be flogged up 
to 80, that keeps the carbon out of the engine.

Curt


Hey the land is pretty flat around here. I am fine driving it south to 
Grand Forks ND etc. Even on most of the hills in western Manitoba it is 
not too bad if it is just me in the car. However, when we go to the lake 
there is often at least 3 of us and the trunk will be full etc. It just 
seems to have a hard time getting up to highway speed going uphill on 
the way west out of Kenora. Once we are at cruising speed, no problem. I 
also don't really find it slow in the city traffic here but we don't 
have freeways in Winnipeg so not much of an issue of trying to merge up 
to speed.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas

[ernest breakfield]

just to be fair, let's point out that there are several car 
manufacturers who are making diesels that are available for sale right 
now in California, so, it's obviously not impossible even though there 
are Particulate issues that need to be addressed when burning Diesel 
fuel that aren't an issue with Petrol.


also, before we lay all the blame on GM for Amerikuns bad 
perceptions of diesel, lets not forget the Trucking Lobby that manged to 
keep Amerika using some of (if not) the poorest quality diesel fuel in 
the world for as long as they did on the premise that a few cents more 
per gallon would put them all out of business and be the end of the 
world. not only did that make Amerikas drivers tired of the emissions 
coming out of the exhaust pipes of the diesels they saw on the road, it 
meant that the implementation of the Clean Diesel technology that was 
available on most of the rest of the planet was delayed in the USA since 
many of the Clean Diesel vehicles wouldn't run on the cheap #2 that the 
Truckers Lobby was forcing us to use here.



cheers!
e

'85 300D
(204K miles; ~80K/7 years so far on commercially-made BioDiesel that 
costs less than #2.)



On 27/Feb/12 15:06, Mitch Haley wrote:

Curt Raymond wrote:

Partially right I think.

The EPA rules are almost absurdly tight for diesel cars 


Worse yet, the CARB rules are impossible, and most makers won't touch 
the US market unless they can move that product in CA.


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[MBZ] slooow

[Jerry Herrman]

In defense of the 240 D, I'll throw in my two cents. To get on the 805 
southbound from our house, I have to round a curve going uphill from a city 
street, so there is little opportunity to pick up speed - even less so when the 
light at the end of the metering ramp makes you stop just before entering the 
freeway. Normally, I've been able to get up to almost freeway speed in the 
short distance it takes to go over two lanes. I'll admit it takes more skill to 
get a 240 merged properly, and you gotta go through the gears quickly with the 
accelerator mostly pushed to the floor.
Just east of us is a long three to four mile hill gaining maybe (I'm guessing) 
700 feet in elevation. It starts out flat, gradually increases in steepness, 
then levels out at the summit. At the bottom, I try to gain enough speed (about 
75 mph) to take me over the top at 55 mph without having to downshift, 
meanwhile watching out for the Highway Patrol. I'm not always successful, but I 
do consider this sufficient power for my purposes. This also serves as my 
"Italian Tune-Up". Nevertheless, I avoid following old M-B diesels and old VW's 
up hills.

Jerry
82 240D
manual transmission


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Re: [MBZ] slooow

[Curt Raymond]

I'm well west of 128, mostly west of 495. The hills get bigger as you go west 
in MA.

-Curt


Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 17:05:38 -0500
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Yabbut you're pretty equally matched considering the vehicle of choice around 
there used to be a Volvo 240 wagon.

Dan (who has driven on I-95 and 128 more times than he would like to recall)


On Feb 27, 2012, at 4:51 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

> These kind of posts make me laugh, I commute 110 miles every day with a 240D, 
> have been doing so for years. The hills here aren't all that big but I do 
> have a 600' elevation change between home and work.
> 
> MA drivers are considered some of the more aggressive in the world and I've 
> never had a serious problem with my car "not being fast enough". Somebody 
> said the other day that a 240D is happiest at 60mph, I disagree I think they 
> like best to be flogged up to 80, that keeps the carbon out of the engine.
> 
> Curt
> 

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Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas

[Curt Raymond]

Only if you can't plan ahead farther than yesterday and are bad at math.

Today on the way home diesel was $4.19 at the expensive place and gas was 
$3.69. Thats a 13% difference for a fuel with 30% more BTUs...

Of course my in-laws are convinced they're ahead in playing the lottery.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 17:46:10 -0500
From: "Scott Ritchey" 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas
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The price and availability of diesel fuel is a factor too.


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Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas

[Curt Raymond]

There was a year or so where you couldn't get diesels here but VW, MB and BMW 
all stepped up and got them in.

I still don't understand the exemption for diesel pickup trucks. Each one of 
those must spew out 10 cars worth of black smoke...

-Curt

Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 18:17:31 -0500
From: Rich Thomas 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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MA adopted CA rules too on diesels, the reason being unclear except it 
is a very liberal state full of hacks and idiots (oops, redundant).  
That sorta killed the diesel option in that part of the country too I 
think.  Not sure where they are now, but some years ago that was the 
case.  Curt will probably have a comment on that, being more recent 
vintage in the state.  Maybe he could suggest a higher tax on them

--R

On 2/27/12 6:06 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:
> Curt Raymond wrote:
>> Partially right I think.
>>
>> The EPA rules are almost absurdly tight for diesel cars 
>
> Worse yet, the CARB rules are impossible, and most makers won't touch 
> the US market unless they can move that product in CA.

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Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas

[Curt Raymond]

Really? How does one apply for it?

I wonder if my accountant knows about that. I've got a years worth of receipts.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 18:22:57 -0500
From: Mitch Haley 
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clay monroe wrote:
> Fed tax on petrol is 0.18, #2 diesel is 0.25 per gallon

...unless you're driving one of the vehicles that does 30,000 times the road 
damage of a passenger car, then you get a discount on the road diesel tax.

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Re: [MBZ] slooow

[Fmiser]

> Jerry Herrman wrote:

> At the bottom, I try to gain enough speed (about 75 mph) to
> take me over the top at 55 mph without having to downshift,
> meanwhile watching out for the Highway Patrol. I'm not
> always successful, but I do consider this sufficient power
> for my purposes. This also serves as my "Italian Tune-Up".

The engine cleaning is most effective with max power and max
RPM.  So what I would do with the same hill is slow down a bit
as approaching, downshift into 3rd as it gets steep and floor
it.  The goal being requiring maximum power at an RPM just
under where the governer starts to limit the fuel.

Not that doing it your way doesn't help, it's just the engine
is well short of the RPM limit. if you stay in 4th.

--Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas

[Fmiser]

> Curt Raymond wrote:

> Really? How does one apply for it?
> 
> I wonder if my accountant knows about that. I've got a years
> worth of receipts.

Drive a big truck.  For hire.

You need to have authority to haul interstate commerce, or work
for someone who does.  Then you need to licensed accordingly.
And be subject to the Hours of Service and log your compliance.
And you will need to document the miles driven in each state.
And in most states pay road tax, often quarterly.  And go
through the scale houses.  And follow the 10,001 other
requirements the federal and state governments impose upon
commercial carriers.

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] OT Macbook trackpad and LCD not working but linux is

[Hendrik and Fay]

I have already tried replacing some bulging caps, made no difference.
May have gotten onto a cheap power board.
I'll open the Macbook up and have a look, perhaps check the connections 
and solder joints, new trackpad is close to 100 bucks.


Hendrik
who is trying to install a printer into Ubuntu

On 28/02/12 10:14, clay monroe wrote:

Monitor is suffering from a bad chinese capacitor.  Unless it is over 26 
inches, not worth spending cash for a shop to fix.

The macbook, depends upon which model, but I suspect you will have to source a 
new top case.  Keyboard and pad to swap out the old one.

clay


On Feb 27, 2012, at 3:33 PM, Hendrik and Fay wrote:


Been having some issues with the trackpad on the Mac, seems to have a mind of 
it's own. Bloody thing is of course out of warranty.
Anyone know anything about these things? Seems to be a hardware issue as it 
works well sometimes and then goes wonky. Talked to the Indian apple techie who 
got me to put the recovery disc in there and it still flunked out.
On a brighter note, finally got around to upgrading my Ubuntu OS which had 
become very cranky and needed a new install. Got 11.10 which seems very appely 
in it's interface, clicked on the system settings and it looks just about like 
an apple OS one.
Also my Benq LCD monitor decided to crap out, am trying to source a new 
power/inverter board but that is nearly mission impossible. So I bought a new 
one to be able to read your words of wisdom and general ravings.

Hendrik
who has a love hate relationship with computers and cars

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Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas

[Dan Penoff]

Don't know what taxes might be, but right now diesel is tracking about 
$0.25/gallon more than regular unleaded.  That's pretty might been the range in 
Florida for as long as I can recall.

Dan


On Feb 27, 2012, at 5:53 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote:

> Supplemental.  Haven't checked lately, but when I lived in FL few years ago,
> the FL tax on Diesel was double the tax on gasoline.  Makes me wonder about
> the whole price structure considering Diesel was cheaper than gas during the
> 70s fuel "shortages."  Specifically, how much cost per gallon is fed tax,
> state tax, and EPA cost (i.e. gummite cost).
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
> On Behalf Of Scott Ritchey
> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 5:46 PM
> To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas
> 
> The price and availability of diesel fuel is a factor too.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
> On Behalf Of WILTON
> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 2:43 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas
> 
> Yep.  GM ruined/destroyed Diesel market in USA with the "Diesel" crap they 
> put in cars in late '70's and early '80's.
> 
> Wilton
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "OK Don" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 2:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas
> 
> 
>> Umm - wrong. It's not the EPA, we can buy Diesels here now. Just go to 
>> your
>> local MB dealer (or VW, etc,). It's the lack of an informed market here.
>> They're not going to bring cars over that they can't sell because the US
>> still thinks of the GM Diesels from the 80's.
>> 
>> On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 10:40 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Last summer in Spain I rented a Peugeot diesel wagon, 5spd, it was brand
 new when I picked it up at the airport.  I was pleasantly surprised at 
 what
 a nice car it was -- hauled 4 of us and all our stuff for 9 days on
 high-speed roads and back roads and in town, A/C running (blowing ice
 cold!) and I figured (with all the conversions of liters and kms) that 
 it
 was getting over 40mpg.  I really wonder why we cannot buy cars like 
 that
 here,
 
>>> 
>>> That is easy:  EPA
>>> 
>>> (Otherwise known as gummit)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Or is it Gummit, otherwise known as EPA?)
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>> 2001 ML320
>> 1992 300D 2.5T
>> 1990 300D 2.5T
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Re: [MBZ] OT Macbook trackpad and LCD not working but linux is

[Dan Penoff]

Can offer any details about the Mac, as in model or order number?

I can look it up in GSX (Apple's service system) and see if there are any 
issues with these parts.

Dan


On Feb 27, 2012, at 6:33 PM, Hendrik and Fay wrote:

> Been having some issues with the trackpad on the Mac, seems to have a mind of 
> it's own. Bloody thing is of course out of warranty.
> Anyone know anything about these things? Seems to be a hardware issue as it 
> works well sometimes and then goes wonky. Talked to the Indian apple techie 
> who got me to put the recovery disc in there and it still flunked out.
> On a brighter note, finally got around to upgrading my Ubuntu OS which had 
> become very cranky and needed a new install. Got 11.10 which seems very 
> appely in it's interface, clicked on the system settings and it looks just 
> about like an apple OS one.
> Also my Benq LCD monitor decided to crap out, am trying to source a new 
> power/inverter board but that is nearly mission impossible. So I bought a new 
> one to be able to read your words of wisdom and general ravings.
> 
> Hendrik
> who has a love hate relationship with computers and cars
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Re: [MBZ] slooow

[Mountain Man]

Jerry  wrote:
> In defense of the 240 D...

My current '84 euro 240D 3-pedal is definitely more nimble than my
old, still living at Dieselhead '81 240D 3-pedal.  That makes a
noticeable difference and enjoyment driving.  Sometimes as I hold the
pedal steady, it seems the engine wants to go faster until I let off a
bit - a nice experience, although small.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] slooow

[Dan Penoff]

Yeah, I knew that.  Never been west of 495, although I always want to check out 
that part of the state.  I never had the time when I was there, which was 
always business related

Dan


On Feb 27, 2012, at 8:51 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

> I'm well west of 128, mostly west of 495. The hills get bigger as you go west 
> in MA.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 
> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 17:05:38 -0500
> From: Dan Penoff 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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> 
> Yabbut you're pretty equally matched considering the vehicle of choice around 
> there used to be a Volvo 240 wagon.
> 
> Dan (who has driven on I-95 and 128 more times than he would like to recall)
> 
> 
> On Feb 27, 2012, at 4:51 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
> 
>> These kind of posts make me laugh, I commute 110 miles every day with a 
>> 240D, have been doing so for years. The hills here aren't all that big but I 
>> do have a 600' elevation change between home and work.
>> 
>> MA drivers are considered some of the more aggressive in the world and I've 
>> never had a serious problem with my car "not being fast enough". Somebody 
>> said the other day that a 240D is happiest at 60mph, I disagree I think they 
>> like best to be flogged up to 80, that keeps the carbon out of the engine.
>> 
>> Curt
>> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] slooow

[Curt Raymond]

It also helps if you can keep it at full output for a longish time. Like my 
80mph run home tonight. I'd noticed that my 240D was getting a little pokey. I 
suspect our low quality diesel builds up schmutz in the fuel system. Last 
Saturday I put half a can (all I had but supposedly enough to treat 50 gallons) 
of Diesel Kleen in a quarter tank of fuel. I've already noticed a change in the 
engine, it lopes less and starts easier.

Now I need to get a couple quarts of purge from Rusty and do that plus 
filters...

-Curt

Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 20:25:38 -0600
From: Fmiser 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] slooow
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> Jerry Herrman wrote:

> At the bottom, I try to gain enough speed (about 75 mph) to
> take me over the top at 55 mph without having to downshift,
> meanwhile watching out for the Highway Patrol. I'm not
> always successful, but I do consider this sufficient power
> for my purposes. This also serves as my "Italian Tune-Up".

The engine cleaning is most effective with max power and max
RPM.  So what I would do with the same hill is slow down a bit
as approaching, downshift into 3rd as it gets steep and floor
it.  The goal being requiring maximum power at an RPM just
under where the governer starts to limit the fuel.

Not that doing it your way doesn't help, it's just the engine
is well short of the RPM limit. if you stay in 4th.

--Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas

[Curt Raymond]

Smart alec.

I think Mitch was suggesting us small-timers could get back some tax money for 
damage we were not doing to the roads. I burn aroun 700 gallons of diesel a 
year, it'd be worth getting something back.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 20:32:57 -0600
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> Curt Raymond wrote:

> Really? How does one apply for it?
> 
> I wonder if my accountant knows about that. I've got a years
> worth of receipts.

Drive a big truck.  For hire.

You need to have authority to haul interstate commerce, or work
for someone who does.  Then you need to licensed accordingly.
And be subject to the Hours of Service and log your compliance.
And you will need to document the miles driven in each state.
And in most states pay road tax, often quarterly.  And go
through the scale houses.  And follow the 10,001 other
requirements the federal and state governments impose upon
commercial carriers.

--   Philip


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Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas

[Mitch Haley]

Curt Raymond wrote:

Smart alec.

I think Mitch was suggesting us small-timers could get back some tax money for 
damage we were not doing to the roads. I burn aroun 700 gallons of diesel a 
year, it'd be worth getting something back.


Nope. I was saying that those who do the damage (and a fully loaded semi does 
the work of thousands of cars when it comes to breaking down a concrete freeway) 
can get 5 cents off with a 3 axle permit. OTOH, they might have to pay road use 
tax via IRS form 2290. If your taxable weight is 75,000lb or higher, you'd have 
to buy 11,000 gallons of fuel a year to break even on the road use tax from your 
5 cents per gallon savings.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Macbook trackpad and LCD not working but linux is

[Rick Knoble]

> Hendrik
> who is trying to install a printer into Ubuntu

That can be a PITA, depending on printer. Ubuntu does not like my Samsung.  

Rick
Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas

[Fmiser]

> Mitch Haley wrote:

> If your taxable weight is 75,000lb or higher,
> you'd have to buy 11,000 gallons of fuel a year to break even
> on the road use tax from your 5 cents per gallon savings.

At 5 miles per gallon (typical for an older truck.  Modern -
especially aero - can get 6.5 or even 7 mpg) that's just over
1,000 miles per week.  For typical loads, any driver only
getting 1,000 miles a week is going to go broke quick.  2,500
mile per week is about average, so that 11,000 gallons is
probably not more than 6 months worth.

--   Philip


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Re: [MBZ] prices UP

[RELNGSON]

> ...Well, the higher cost of Diesel has become a detrimental factor only 
> in the
> last coupla years, but in years past, the cost was by far the OTHER way.
> BTW, yesterday I paid $3.95/gal for some of that "ten-cent" fuel...
> 
Today I paid $4.09.9 for Chevron no-ethanol premium and diesel was $4.29.9. 
Bio was $4.00.9.

RLE
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] $199 5 drawer tool cart from HF

[Rolf]

I think I looked at this as well. The HF required "some" assembly. 
Weighs 180lb. How much did yours weigh? Assuming overall weight is based 
primarily on gauge of walls.


-Rolf

On 2/27/2012 2:23 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote:

I found these on sale at Costco for $299 for the pair.  I drove the few
extra miles to the Portland store to save the sales tax.  Both of the sets
in the store had some minor dents.  One was bad enough that one of the
drawers would not open.  The other set was missing keys.  The store manager
discounted 10% for the dents, and another 10% for the missing keys.  So I
walked out with the set for $239!  Rolling the chest around without the
drawers on the bottom unit allowed the drawers to slide open, a possible
problem with the drawers loaded with tools.  I emailed the company
(Whirlpool), and they sent me a set of keys at no charge.

They are not professional grade, but all ball-bearing drawers and fine if
the cabinets are not banged around.

http://www.amazon.com/Gladiator-GarageWorks-GATC26V9WG-Classic-9-Drawer/dp/B
0046ZSXEU/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1320552677&sr=8-


http://www.amazon.com/Gladiator-GarageWorks-GATR27V5WG-5-Drawer-Roll-Away/dp
/B0046ZSXDG/ref=pd_sbs_hi_4

or

http://tinyurl.com/898abf5

http://tinyurl.com/6wsflj9

Greg

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http://www.harborfreight.com/five-drawer-service-cart-95272.html?utm_medium=
cse&utm_source=googlebase&hft_adv=40010&mr:trackingCode=A6760F9E-782A-E011-B
31E-001B2163195C&mr:referralID=NA


I shopped around for a bit and this, by far, was best bang for buck.

-Rolf

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Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas

[Kevin Kraly]

BioDiesel for .28 less than #2?  That's gone the other way in the 10 years 
I've had an interest.  I tried some bio in my first 300D.  At that time in 
2003, it was $.50 more than #2D.  I'll have to check prices for bio in 
Portland since I don't believe it's available out here in the westside 
'burbs.


Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon
1977 240D 315Kmi, Liesel the Diesel 



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Re: [MBZ] Volt vs. Gas

[Kevin Kraly]

The '07 Dodge pickups with the Cummins 6.7L engines were some of the first 
to be equipped with Diesel particulate filters  (DPF's).  They have very 
little odor.  The 240D is another story :d!


Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon
1977 240D 315Kmi, Liesel 



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Re: [MBZ] The 240D LIVES!

[Kevin Kraly]

I got my hands a bit dirtier with the 240D today.  I pulled out the rear 
bench seat to find very little mess underneath.  The cloth backing on the 
seat upholstery is still intact, something I haven't seen on any of my 
W123's to date!  Is it any co-inky-dink that this is the only one without a 
sunroof?  HMMM!  Other than the driver's seat, the MB-Tex and seat springs 
are in AWESOME shape.  Also, the vacuum locks work!!  The rear passenger 
door lock rod can't be moved by hand, and doesn't move with the other 3 
locks.


Under the hood, things are pretty good.  While it was running, I walked 
around and listened.  I had noticed a rattle when we first drove the car, 
and it was still there.  I determined that it was coming from the right side 
of the engine, so I hit the stop lever and began feeling around.  It turned 
out to be a loose bolt that holds the air filter bracket to the intake 
manifold.  I removed the three bolts holding the air filter housing to get 
access to the offending bolt.  Now that everything is put back as it should 
be, it sounds great!  It seems to be idling too low.  I've never adjusted 
the idle on any of my cars before.  What tools are needed, and where is the 
adjustment located on the IP?


TIA,

Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon
1977 240D 315Kmi, Liesel 



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