[MBZ] OT: what causes a fluorescent light to buzz

[Allan Streib]

Ballast transformer going out?

Light in question is a standard tube-type (T8) light with ballast and
starter, not a CFL.  Changing out the starter made no difference.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] BMW motorcycles

[Dieselhead]

Yes, my thinking too.  Some of the idiosyncrasies of the 200D 
(110.110.10) are what I like best about it, and are the things I wish 
more modern cars had.


Kinda like those who had a goofy old saab, love saabs.  Or those with 
phewget diesels love phewgots




Diesel Head <126die...@gmail.com> writes:


 they have idiosyncrasies


Sounds like just the thing for most on this list!

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1979 300SD


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Re: [MBZ] 210 seat switches

[Curt Raymond]

I went through the switch foolishness on my '85 190D, ended up replacing both 
sides. They were expensive but not gut wrenchingly so.

Assuming the switch is reasonably similar you take the door panel off, the 
switch is held in with 1 or 2 screws.
Dissemble it in a plastic bag, there are MANY little springs and BBs inside.


-Curt


Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 19:27:48 -0500
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The S210 from heck and I are home now.

Two problems that need resolving:

The drivers seat was way forward when I picked the car up, and the door switch 
would only move it forward, not backward. Fortunately, the mechanic who'd done 
the transmission work pointed out to me that there were 3 memory buttons, and 
one of them made the seat go nearly halfway back.

I assume my problem with the seat is in the switch. How do I get it out of the 
door for cleaning?


Also, the driver's window does not go down. I'm not thinking it's the switch, 
because I can hear something (relay?) click when I hit the switch. Probably the 
wiring at the door hinge or the motor itself?

Mitch


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Re: [MBZ] BMW motorcycles

[Allan Streib]

clay monroe  writes:

> R65 in general has more lean than standard beemer.  Need to update the
> bars to sit up and beg.  If you want a good airhead, the R100 is a
> better bet than the 65.  Or, find a GS.  Enduro suspension and good
> seating.

http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/mcy/2892637690.html

http://indianapolis.craigslist.org/mcd/2891862333.html


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1979 300SD

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Re: [MBZ] rusty SL

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Mar 9, 2012 4:02 PM,  wrote:
>
> > no 107 SL will ever have enough
> value to justify restoration to factory
> standards.
>

450SLC 5.0?

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] China diesel

[Mitch Haley]

Curt Raymond wrote:

Even tired as it is the Kohler K161 in my Cub Cadet will out pull any similar 
engine made today. Its all cast iron, heavy bugger with a big flywheel and the 
torque you'd expect from one.

I could replace it with a cheapo but I'd get cheapo results. At some point this 
tractor may get a little front end loader so it needs to have real tractor 
power.

A Cub Cadet 70 (mine is 1964) is NOT a lawnmower or even a lawn tractor. Its a 
garden tractor which is to say its a Farmall scaled down and wants an engine to 
match.


I once bought a 125 or 123 with a recent (about five years old) 12hp crate motor 
for something like $250. No grille, no mower or other accessories, busted seat, 
no clutch (found that out after I bought it, when I tried to put a deck on it, 
oops), but the engine was easily worth what I paid for the tractor, even if it 
was black instead of Cub Yellow.


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Re: [MBZ] BMW motorcycles

[Allan Streib]

Diesel Head <126die...@gmail.com> writes:

> they have idiosyncrasies

Sounds like just the thing for most on this list!

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Re: [MBZ] BMW motorcycles

[Mitch Haley]

Curt Raymond wrote:


That said if I were to get a three wheeler:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pq9gBNlgkpw


I thought you were going to post this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECHRt0xYDDg

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Re: [MBZ] BMW motorcycles

[clay monroe]

R65 in general has more lean than standard beemer.   Need to update the bars to 
sit up and beg.  If you want a good airhead, the R100 is a better bet than the 
65.  Or, find a GS.  Enduro suspension and good seating.

clay



On Mar 9, 2012, at 4:35 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

> clay monroe wrote:
>> Best to look for is R65LS with the fairing.  You can fit the K75 sport 
>> fairing windscreen to give a nice calm pocket over the tank and rider.
> 
> I thought the LS had clip-ons with bar end mirrors and more lean forward than 
> a CB900F?
> 
> If you put a bigger windscreen on it, what lifts your weight off your wrists?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] BMW motorcycles

[Mitch Haley]

clay monroe wrote:

Best to look for is R65LS with the fairing.  You can fit the K75 sport fairing 
windscreen to give a nice calm pocket over the tank and rider.


I thought the LS had clip-ons with bar end mirrors and more lean forward than a 
CB900F?


If you put a bigger windscreen on it, what lifts your weight off your wrists?


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[MBZ] 210 seat switches

[Mitch Haley]

The S210 from heck and I are home now.

Two problems that need resolving:

The drivers seat was way forward when I picked the car up, and the door switch 
would only move it forward, not backward. Fortunately, the mechanic who'd done 
the transmission work pointed out to me that there were 3 memory buttons, and 
one of them made the seat go nearly halfway back.


I assume my problem with the seat is in the switch. How do I get it out of the 
door for cleaning?



Also, the driver's window does not go down. I'm not thinking it's the switch, 
because I can hear something (relay?) click when I hit the switch. Probably the 
wiring at the door hinge or the motor itself?


Mitch

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Re: [MBZ] BMW motorcycles

[Curt Raymond]

My father-in-law has a Harley Ultra Classic, the engine is rubber mounted, it 
has fuel injection. Its about the only Harley I'm interested in at all. I 
figure in 10 or 15 years it'll either be mine by default or I'll buy it off him.

-Curt

Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 17:08:26 -0600
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On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 8:24 PM, OK Don  wrote:

> I've never ridden a Goldwing, but a buddy had one for years. He was always
> fiddling with the carbs on it.
>
>
A gold wing is not a motorcycle, it is just half an accord with no doors.

A hardly Davison (post 1980 or so) is not a motorcycle.  It is just
external cajones for those who lack real ones.  Any hardly (any vintage)
with loud pipes/no pipes qualifies here.

Any post 80 ( or so) hardly with OE mufflers is exempted from this
description.

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Re: [MBZ] Lubro Moly Valve Clean

[clay monroe]

It will not kill the car. Probably will not fix what ails it either.  If you 
have that much trouble with the injectors, you should replace them anyway.  Get 
them rebuilt.

clay


On Mar 9, 2012, at 4:03 PM, glenn brown wrote:

> 
> Since I can't believe no dieseler on this list hasn't tried this stuff in 
> their diesel, I thought maybe I'd attempt to post this query again assuming 
> that it may have been overlooked.  Has anyone on the list used Lubro Moly 
> Valve Clean in their W123 diesel?  Before replacing the injectors in #4 & 5 
> cylinders, as these were the ones which showed low compression in a 
> compression test which was an attempt to get to the cause of the serious 
> smoking upon cold startup of my '85 300TD, I thought I might try this stuff 
> first.  TIA
> 
> G. M. Brown
> Brevard, NC
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Re: [MBZ] China diesel

[Curt Raymond]

I'm given to understand these are the same deal but its a Yanmar design.

I've found a couple webforum posts raving about them. A comparable Yanmar or 
other non-Chinese manufacture would run $2000 or so.

-Curt

Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 16:57:01 -0600
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On 09/03/2012 4:22 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
> Anybody seen anything of the new breed of Chinese made small diesel engines? 
> Theres a 10hp one I'm considering to repower my Cub Cadet lawn tractor. The 
> old 7hp gas engine is seriously tired. I figure it'd be between $400 and $500 
> to rebuild what I've got, for another $100 I can get a brand new 10hp diesel.
>
> Google 10hp diesel and you'll see what I mean, there are a bunch on eBay. 
> Youtube has a couple repower jobs like I'm considering. Of course the QC of 
> the engines is basically non-existent so any purchase is a crap shoot. Its 
> important I gather to get it started soon after purchase both to test the 
> engine so you can return it for DOA within the short warranty period and to 
> get good clean fuel into the IP to keep if from sticking.
>
> We'll see, it all depends if funds come up.
>
> -Curt
>
> ___
>
I do not know about the diesels. I guess my initial concern might be 
parts availability.

However, I have more than one of the gas engines that appear to be 
literally clones of the Honda engines. I am told they don't need to 
provide parts because the Honda parts will fit.
I guess the design is old enough that the patents expired so they can 
thumb their noses at Honda.
I put an 8 HP one on the log splitter out at the lake and I have been 
very impressed with it.
The first time out of the box, we bolted it down, poured oil and gas in 
and it started on the first pull of the cord. That impressed me.
It then sat covered under a tarp out in the sun etc for more than a year 
before I used it again. The next time - same thing. Started immediately 
even though I did not pour in fresh fuel or anything else.

The only problem I have had is that a screw came loose in the pull cord 
setup and I had to take it off and rewind the spring. A bit of a bear to 
do that but I figured out a way and  put it back together without 
needing any parts.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] China diesel

[Curt Raymond]

Even tired as it is the Kohler K161 in my Cub Cadet will out pull any similar 
engine made today. Its all cast iron, heavy bugger with a big flywheel and the 
torque you'd expect from one.

I could replace it with a cheapo but I'd get cheapo results. At some point this 
tractor may get a little front end loader so it needs to have real tractor 
power.

A Cub Cadet 70 (mine is 1964) is NOT a lawnmower or even a lawn tractor. Its a 
garden tractor which is to say its a Farmall scaled down and wants an engine to 
match.

-Curt

Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 16:54:18 -0600
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That seems pricey. Have you checked  Jacks Small Engines? They are the Rusty of 
small engine parts. 

Rick
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On Mar 9, 2012, at 4:22 PM, "Curt Raymond"  wrote:

> The old 7hp gas engine is seriously tired. I figure it'd be between $400 and 
> $500 to rebuild what I've got


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Re: [MBZ] rusty SL

[clay monroe]

I concur.  As long as that perspective is held by the buyers and owners of 
these cars, they will slowly make their way to the crusher.  Tin worm will 
consume many, others will rot away from general disregard.  Soon enough, there 
will be only those that owners took exceptional care of.  Then they will be 
held in higher esteem and valued like the Pagoda.  Same fate awaits the 114/115 
series.  Since there is no market for these cars, it will be the rare one that 
survives.

clay


On Mar 9, 2012, at 4:01 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote:

>> ...For once we agree. I was thinking $2,000 would be a good price for the 
>> paintjob. Prep of course will be extra. I bet you could spend $8k without 
>> working hard at it...
>> 
> For a car that would be worth it, these numbers are low, way low. Of 
> course, no 107 SL will ever have enough value to justify restoration to 
> factory 
> standards.
> 
> RLE
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Hit a deer....need a right Bosch Euro headlight glass for my83 300d.

[Michael Canfield]

I need the right side.

How much?

Mike
On Mar 9, 2012 5:55 PM, "Rick Knoble"  wrote:

> What side do you guys need? I have a pair that I will split up...
>
> Rick
> Sent from my iPhone.
>
> On Mar 9, 2012, at 5:51 AM, "Rolf"  wrote:
>
> > I too am looking for glass only.
> >
> > -Rolf
> >
> > On 3/8/2012 9:45 PM, Dave Cavner wrote:
> >> I've seen Bosch glass available on the big auction site.
> >> Helps to know the Mercedes and/or Bosch part number you need. Sometimes
> listed that way instead of by vehicle type.
> >> Check the 'standard' (non-US) version of the EPC.
> >>
> >> Dave
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mar 8, 2012, at 6:14 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:
> >>
> >>> What about Hella glass/parts, specifically 114/115?  (I'm guessing
> not.)
> >>>
> >>> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] BMW motorcycles

[Curt Raymond]

More like the right ballpark. Theres a couple on Craigslist but all are at 
least 1.5x my budget. Hafta keep my eyes open.

A couple years ago I foolishly passed on a BMW that looked just like that. I 
can't remember the model K1200 something maybe. Guy was sick and had just put a 
bunch of work into it. Price was right but it was a white bike and I got biased 
against it on looks. Turns out a friend of my neighbor bought it and has put 
something like 40,000 trouble free miles on it since then. Shouldn't have let 
that one go.

-Curt

Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 16:51:44 -0600
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Well, how 'bout one of these then?
Not a BMW, but...
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Pacific_Coast
:-)
Rick
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On Mar 9, 2012, at 8:20 AM, "Curt Raymond"  wrote:

> I see the disconnect. I said sport/touring meaning more like: 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUIV_d65lT4
> In the video they say "its big" but compared to a Gold Wing its a pup.
> 
> -Curt
> 

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[MBZ] Lubro Moly Valve Clean

[glenn brown]

Since I can't believe no dieseler on this list hasn't tried this stuff in their 
diesel, I thought maybe I'd attempt to post this query again assuming that it 
may have been overlooked.  Has anyone on the list used Lubro Moly Valve Clean 
in their W123 diesel?  Before replacing the injectors in #4 & 5 cylinders, as 
these were the ones which showed low compression in a compression test which 
was an attempt to get to the cause of the serious smoking upon cold startup of 
my '85 300TD, I thought I might try this stuff first.  TIA
 
G. M. Brown
Brevard, NC
  
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Re: [MBZ] rusty SL

[RELNGSON]

> ...For once we agree. I was thinking $2,000 would be a good price for the 
> paintjob. Prep of course will be extra. I bet you could spend $8k without 
> working hard at it...
> 
For a car that would be worth it, these numbers are low, way low. Of 
course, no 107 SL will ever have enough value to justify restoration to factory 
standards.

RLE
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] BMW motorcycles

[OK Don]

The guy who bought my R100 got it to replace his Hardly because to the
frequent and expensive repairs. He rides the bike to commute between
Austin, TX and Kansas City - needed reliability!

On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Diesel Head <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> A gold wing is not a motorcycle, it is just half an accord with no doors.
>
> A hardly Davison (post 1980 or so) is not a motorcycle.  It is just
> external cajones for those who lack real ones.  Any hardly (any vintage)
> with loud pipes/no pipes qualifies here.
>
> Any post 80 ( or so) hardly with OE mufflers is exempted from this
> description.
>
> --
>

OK Don
2001 ML320
1992 300D 2.5T
1990 300D 2.5T
1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager
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[MBZ] Kleb special parts-mobile

[OK Don]

http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/cto/2862290679.html
Not mine, etc. ---

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1992 300D 2.5T
1990 300D 2.5T
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Re: [MBZ] BMW motorcycles

[Diesel Head]

On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 8:24 PM, OK Don  wrote:

> I've never ridden a Goldwing, but a buddy had one for years. He was always
> fiddling with the carbs on it.
>
>
A gold wing is not a motorcycle, it is just half an accord with no doors.

A hardly Davison (post 1980 or so) is not a motorcycle.  It is just
external cajones for those who lack real ones.  Any hardly (any vintage)
with loud pipes/no pipes qualifies here.

Any post 80 ( or so) hardly with OE mufflers is exempted from this
description.
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Re: [MBZ] China stuff

[Randy Bennell]

Say goodbye to the North American auto industry.

Was reading an article in the local paper this morning about the auto 
industry in China.

GM sells more cars there than anywhere else  now.

Ford just built a huge new plant in an effort to catch up.

China now producing a gazillion vehicles and selling them in places like 
South America.

They sell because they are cheap.
Chinese auto workers make $300 - $500 a month.
In Mexico it is $2000 -$3000 a month.
In USA $5000 to $7000 per month.

So, cars are made cheaper and that helps to sell them.

Chinese start out building junk but they seem to learn quickly and the 
quality rises pretty fast.

At least that seems to be the way with tools.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] BMW motorcycles

[Diesel Head]

The R65 is kind of the 300D of BMWs.  the R50/5 is the 240D.  R65 is no
speed demon, but one that you can spend 100 miles. 250 miles, 500 miles or
even 1000 miles in a day.   I just read a great letter in the BMW (MOA)
news.  It was about how the old airhards keep working reliably, and the
japcrap works but the expensive fancy new BMWs (K I think) leave them
stranded and in need of being loaded on a truck and hauled in to a very
distant stealer.  I gathered they had a pair of /5 or /6, a pair of
japanese and a pair of newer one.  My old 75/5 is reliable.  the alt is
undersized if you hang one extra bulb on it.  THe diode boards are known to
fail.  THe points can burn.  But I carried a new clutch cable and the last
set of used points, and I was never stranded.  Never had trouble with
points or coil.

With a /5 or /6 you can pretty much do anything but a bottom end overhaul
with the toolkit under the seat.

Yes, you need to adjust the valves regularly.  The clutch can be grabby.
 they have idiosyncrasies, but they get you there and back.

On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 6:07 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> I know we've got some motorcycle heads on here...
>
> I'm thinking this is the year for me to get a different ride, right now
> we've got an '89 Kawasaki 454 LTD for the wife and an '82 Honda CB900f for
> me. She didn't ride at all last year and I only rode a little. Part of it
> is the Honda isn't really a highway bike and my commute is all highway. I'd
> ride a standard or sport/touring bike more. The Honda's forward lean is too
> uncomfortable for my wrists long term.
>
> So I've started looking and found an '82 BMW R65 with only 70,000 miles.
> My Honda has 45k, that kind of mileage doesn't scare me although it does
> some folks. I remember reading somewhere (here maybe) that some of the
> older BMWs were a handful because they were kind of primitive. I guess I
> need some guidance. I'm thinking to spend not more than $2000 which is more
> than both bikes I have now combined.
> Remember I live in New England, our riding season is kind of compressed. I
> usually get the bikes out in May and we're done by October. Sometimes
> theres a run into November but not often so a big money bike ain't
> happening.
>
> -Curt
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] China diesel

[Randy Bennell]

On 09/03/2012 4:22 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

Anybody seen anything of the new breed of Chinese made small diesel engines? 
Theres a 10hp one I'm considering to repower my Cub Cadet lawn tractor. The old 
7hp gas engine is seriously tired. I figure it'd be between $400 and $500 to 
rebuild what I've got, for another $100 I can get a brand new 10hp diesel.

Google 10hp diesel and you'll see what I mean, there are a bunch on eBay. 
Youtube has a couple repower jobs like I'm considering. Of course the QC of the 
engines is basically non-existent so any purchase is a crap shoot. Its 
important I gather to get it started soon after purchase both to test the 
engine so you can return it for DOA within the short warranty period and to get 
good clean fuel into the IP to keep if from sticking.

We'll see, it all depends if funds come up.

-Curt

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I do not know about the diesels. I guess my initial concern might be 
parts availability.


However, I have more than one of the gas engines that appear to be 
literally clones of the Honda engines. I am told they don't need to 
provide parts because the Honda parts will fit.
I guess the design is old enough that the patents expired so they can 
thumb their noses at Honda.
I put an 8 HP one on the log splitter out at the lake and I have been 
very impressed with it.
The first time out of the box, we bolted it down, poured oil and gas in 
and it started on the first pull of the cord. That impressed me.
It then sat covered under a tarp out in the sun etc for more than a year 
before I used it again. The next time - same thing. Started immediately 
even though I did not pour in fresh fuel or anything else.


The only problem I have had is that a screw came loose in the pull cord 
setup and I had to take it off and rewind the spring. A bit of a bear to 
do that but I figured out a way and  put it back together without 
needing any parts.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Hit a deer....need a right Bosch Euro headlight glass for my83 300d.

[Rick Knoble]

What side do you guys need? I have a pair that I will split up...

Rick
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On Mar 9, 2012, at 5:51 AM, "Rolf"  wrote:

> I too am looking for glass only.
> 
> -Rolf
> 
> On 3/8/2012 9:45 PM, Dave Cavner wrote:
>> I've seen Bosch glass available on the big auction site.
>> Helps to know the Mercedes and/or Bosch part number you need. Sometimes 
>> listed that way instead of by vehicle type.
>> Check the 'standard' (non-US) version of the EPC.
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 8, 2012, at 6:14 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:
>> 
>>> What about Hella glass/parts, specifically 114/115?  (I'm guessing not.)
>>> 
>>> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] China diesel

[Rick Knoble]

That seems pricey. Have you checked  Jacks Small Engines? They are the Rusty of 
small engine parts. 

Rick
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On Mar 9, 2012, at 4:22 PM, "Curt Raymond"  wrote:

> The old 7hp gas engine is seriously tired. I figure it'd be between $400 and 
> $500 to rebuild what I've got

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Re: [MBZ] BMW motorcycles

[Rick Knoble]

Well, how 'bout one of these then?
Not a BMW, but...
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Pacific_Coast
:-)
Rick
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On Mar 9, 2012, at 8:20 AM, "Curt Raymond"  wrote:

> I see the disconnect. I said sport/touring meaning more like: 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUIV_d65lT4
> In the video they say "its big" but compared to a Gold Wing its a pup.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 18:34:21 -0800
> From: Rick Knoble 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] BMW motorcycles
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> 
>> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 17:13:06 -0800
>> From: curtlud...@yahoo.com
>> 
>> Thats a joke right? I post an R65 and you come back with Goldwing?
>> 
>> I want a midsize bike, 500-750cc. I'm actually quite pleased with the power 
>> available (32hp) with the Kawi 454, it'll do 80+mph with 200+lbs of me on 
>> board.
>> 
> 
> Not a joke. Original post said:
> 
>>> From: curtlud...@yahoo.com
>>> 
>>> I know we've got some motorcycle heads on here...
>>> 
>>> Part of it is the Honda isn't really a highway bike and my commute is all 
>>> highway. I'd ride a standard or sport/touring bike more. The Honda's 
>>> forward lean is too uncomfortable for my wrists long term.
> 
> Nothing there about mid-size. You wrote "sport/touring bike".
> 
> It is obvious that the Goldwing is a touring bike.
> 
> These videos should be convincing enough to show it as a 
> sport bike also.
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nrMQ3QwyPo
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSVg3Gg4LmA
> 
> Rick
> 
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Re: [MBZ] BMW motorcycles

[Randy Bennell]

One thing to add to my previous post.
When I sold the Gold Wing - I bought the 300D as my summer toy.
Not an Accord but I decided I should have 4 wheels and some doors to 
help me stay in one piece.

I think that means I am getting old.

Randy

On 09/03/2012 9:13 AM, E M wrote:

A Goldwing is for people who really want a Honda Accord, but prefer to
drive around with no doors.

Ed
300E

On 9 March 2012 08:45, Curt Raymond  wrote:


Goldwing is for sure a good bike but its a HUGE bike. Its really a
barcalounger on 2 wheels...

I'm not sure I'm old enough for a Goldwing ;)

-Curt

Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 20:03:34 -0600
From: Mountain Man
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] BMW motorcycles
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Curt wrote:

Thats a joke right? I post an R65 and you come back with Goldwing?

Goldwing is a strong bike as far as I hear.  My son has 4 or 5
airheads.  He could advise you on the airheads - he rebuilds them to
better than showroom new.  There is huge number of airhead riders.
Search airheads and watch adventurerider - advrider - Old's Cool
forum.  There might be a sales forum there also.  airheads dot org has
a sales forum.
mao


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Re: [MBZ] BMW motorcycles

[Randy Bennell]

The older ones were not quite so big.
I had a 1979 1000cc Gold Wing for a few years.
No windshield etc to begin with.
I got a Vetter fairing to install on it and nice leather saddle bags.

It was a bit heavy to ride around town from stop sign to stop sign but 
nice and smooth on the highway.


If any of you read the "other" list you will recall that Mike Coleman 
has built what he calls a Wingrod.


Randy

On 09/03/2012 9:13 AM, E M wrote:

A Goldwing is for people who really want a Honda Accord, but prefer to
drive around with no doors.

Ed
300E

On 9 March 2012 08:45, Curt Raymond  wrote:


Goldwing is for sure a good bike but its a HUGE bike. Its really a
barcalounger on 2 wheels...

I'm not sure I'm old enough for a Goldwing ;)

-Curt

Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 20:03:34 -0600
From: Mountain Man
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] BMW motorcycles
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Curt wrote:

Thats a joke right? I post an R65 and you come back with Goldwing?

Goldwing is a strong bike as far as I hear.  My son has 4 or 5
airheads.  He could advise you on the airheads - he rebuilds them to
better than showroom new.  There is huge number of airhead riders.
Search airheads and watch adventurerider - advrider - Old's Cool
forum.  There might be a sales forum there also.  airheads dot org has
a sales forum.
mao


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[MBZ] China diesel

[Curt Raymond]

Anybody seen anything of the new breed of Chinese made small diesel engines? 
Theres a 10hp one I'm considering to repower my Cub Cadet lawn tractor. The old 
7hp gas engine is seriously tired. I figure it'd be between $400 and $500 to 
rebuild what I've got, for another $100 I can get a brand new 10hp diesel.

Google 10hp diesel and you'll see what I mean, there are a bunch on eBay. 
Youtube has a couple repower jobs like I'm considering. Of course the QC of the 
engines is basically non-existent so any purchase is a crap shoot. Its 
important I gather to get it started soon after purchase both to test the 
engine so you can return it for DOA within the short warranty period and to get 
good clean fuel into the IP to keep if from sticking.

We'll see, it all depends if funds come up.

-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] BMW motorcycles

[Curt Raymond]

Have you heard that Italian motorcycle factories make the chassis in the 
morning? After lunch and a short siesta the factory manager goes to the house 
of ill repute and rousts out his workers. Then they do the wiring...

-Curt

Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 13:11:21 -0600
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] BMW motorcycles
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> Curt Raymond wrote:

> Goldwing is for sure a good bike but its a HUGE bike. Its
> really a barcalounger on 2 wheels...

All this talk of Goldwings and touring bikes and nobody has
mentioned Moto Guzzi?

There!  Now _I_ have. :)

--  Philip

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Re: [MBZ] leaks under front seat, W124

[Curt Raymond]

A failed rear windshield seal could allow intrusion in both directions. Perhaps 
remove the rear seat and sit back there while somebody plays a hose over the 
car...

-Curt

Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 09:42:30 -0800
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] leaks under front seat, W124
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On Mar 9, 2012 7:49 AM, "Dan Penoff"  wrote:
>
> Have you pulled the back seat
>to see if it might be coming from
> that direction?
>

No.   And I am in fact getting some water coming into the trunk on the
passenget side as well, pooling in the pocket in front of the taillight.
But IIRC when I've had the back seat out I don't remember seeing a
passageway between the two that was low enough that standing water could
seep through, so it didn't occur to me that the two could be connected.

Alex


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Re: [MBZ] Adventures in W126 HVAC Repair - I Surrender

[Diesel Head]

I think I stuck a block of 2x4 maybe like 1 1/2 x 1 3/4 or 2" in there that
wedged in and held the flap open.  I never tried to take the blasted thing
apart.

On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 10:06 PM, Scott Ritchey  wrote:

> I'm finally over that #$%@ cold that sidelined me for about a month and the
> day was warm, so I went back to work on my floor heat problem.  It was
> completely frustrating.
>
> I've given up fixing this @#$% thing.  It's so cramped in there I don't see
> any way to even glue it without removing the entire heater assembly, which
> involves draining coolant and recovering R12. That's too much. I've already
> removed everything but the dash and steering wheel and there's just no way
> to get at the broken parts, even just to glue them.  My back seat is full
> of
> center console, floor mats, dash under panels, HVAC ducts, etc. (hope I can
> get it all back together).  My plan at this point is to rig up a string to
> manually hold the floor-heat flaps open in winter.  I'm thinking about
> anchoring it to the pax flap, running through an eye inside the driver-side
> flap and then coming out a hole on the pax side flap.  Then I can just pull
> on the string (and hook it to something) to open both flaps.  If the
> friction is low enough, they should still blow closed when the string is
> released.
>
> Thanks to all for your advice but that are is just too inaccessible to fix
> it right.  But I'm still open to new ideas
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
> On Behalf Of Scott Ritchey
> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 5:20 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: [MBZ] Adventures in W126 HVAC Repair
>
> For some years, the floor heat in my 1982 300SD hasn't worked.  Limited
> investigation showed that the floor heat flaps moved freely (as if no
> connection to any linkages) so the flaps simply "blew shut" when the blower
> ran.
>
>
>
> We had a spell of warm weather (50s F) so I decided to attack the problem
> this week. Now the back seat is full of floor mats, center console, under
> dash panels, etc.  Here's what I discovered so far.  These flaps (one left
> and one right) have a splined shaft at the top and that's what broke. So
> the
> flaps need to be replaced.  The right flap cost is reasonable (like $40)
> but
> the left is outta sight (like $200).
>
>
>
> Here's an operating schematic:
> http://kittrellcommunitywatch.dyndns.org/HVAC/floor_heat_schematic
>
>
>
> Here's the general layout:
> http://kittrellcommunitywatch.dyndns.org/HVAC/heater_case
>
>
>
> Here's what the parts actually look like:
> http://kittrellcommunitywatch.dyndns.org/HVAC/parts
>
> Note the splines on top end of the flap shaft.  The black parts go on the
> left and the white parts on the right.  The white lever-gear snaps apart
> into the lever/gear (top) and a keeper that snaps in from below to lock it
> in place
>
>
>
> On the left flap, a lever arm slides onto the splines and "snaps into the
> heater case: http://kittrellcommunitywatch.dyndns.org/HVAC/left_flap_lever
>
>
>
>
>
> On the right side, a gear slides onto the splines and that gear mates with
> another gear with a lever similar to the left side.
> http://kittrellcommunitywatch.dyndns.org/HVAC/right_flap_gears
>
>
>
> The metal action bar that engages the ends of both of these levers such
> that
> when the bar moves left the left both flaps open.  The action bar has a 90
> degree arm pointing down and the vacuum element pulls the bar left under
> vacuum and moves it right via the element's return spring.
>
>
>
> So much for sharing what I've learned so far.  Now here's my current
> problem.  As a minimum, I think I must separate the upper and lower heater
> case to install the new flaps. I don't know if I can spread the lower case
> (from the upper case) sufficiently with the heater box still in the car and
> I don't want to discharge the R12 AC system or pull the dash and steering
> wheel.  If I have to pull the heater box from the car to fix this, I'll
> just
> try to put it all back together and learn to live with the problem (i.e.
> not
> use the car in winter).
>
>
>
> So my question is.  Does anyone know if it's possible to replace these
> flaps
> with the heater case still in the car???
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
> Scott in NC
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Re: [MBZ] BMW motorcycles

[clay monroe]

k1 got ABS in 1991

clay

On Mar 9, 2012, at 1:09 PM, E M wrote:

> Wasn't ABS first introduced on these early R75s ?
> 
> Ed
> 300E
> 
> On 9 March 2012 15:44, Scott Ritchey  wrote:
> 
>> I had an R75 back in the 70s and it was a fine machine, in its day.  My
>> perspective is dated because I quit riding in 1981 (job and relocation
>> reasons).  I'd be concerned about an air-cooled engine with that many
>> miles;
>> you might want a compression test, as a minimum.  It is a mechanically
>> simple motor but the carbs can be tricky.  The shaft drive eliminated a lot
>> of maintenance and problems common to other bikes of that era.  But I can't
>> help but think there must be many newer and more advanced machines out
>> there
>> these days.  The opposed two was smooth compared to the vertical, hard
>> mounted motors of the day but still rough compared to a water-cooled Honda.
>> 
>> Scott
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
>> On Behalf Of Curt Raymond
>> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 7:07 PM
>> To: Diesel List
>> Subject: [MBZ] BMW motorcycles
>> 
>> I know we've got some motorcycle heads on here...
>> 
>> I'm thinking this is the year for me to get a different ride, right now
>> we've got an '89 Kawasaki 454 LTD for the wife and an '82 Honda CB900f for
>> me. She didn't ride at all last year and I only rode a little. Part of it
>> is
>> the Honda isn't really a highway bike and my commute is all highway. I'd
>> ride a standard or sport/touring bike more. The Honda's forward lean is too
>> uncomfortable for my wrists long term.
>> 
>> So I've started looking and found an '82 BMW R65 with only 70,000 miles. My
>> Honda has 45k, that kind of mileage doesn't scare me although it does some
>> folks. I remember reading somewhere (here maybe) that some of the older
>> BMWs
>> were a handful because they were kind of primitive. I guess I need some
>> guidance. I'm thinking to spend not more than $2000 which is more than both
>> bikes I have now combined.
>> Remember I live in New England, our riding season is kind of compressed. I
>> usually get the bikes out in May and we're done by October. Sometimes
>> theres
>> a run into November but not often so a big money bike ain't happening.
>> 
>> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] BMW motorcycles

[E M]

Wasn't ABS first introduced on these early R75s ?

Ed
300E

On 9 March 2012 15:44, Scott Ritchey  wrote:

> I had an R75 back in the 70s and it was a fine machine, in its day.  My
> perspective is dated because I quit riding in 1981 (job and relocation
> reasons).  I'd be concerned about an air-cooled engine with that many
> miles;
> you might want a compression test, as a minimum.  It is a mechanically
> simple motor but the carbs can be tricky.  The shaft drive eliminated a lot
> of maintenance and problems common to other bikes of that era.  But I can't
> help but think there must be many newer and more advanced machines out
> there
> these days.  The opposed two was smooth compared to the vertical, hard
> mounted motors of the day but still rough compared to a water-cooled Honda.
>
> Scott
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
> On Behalf Of Curt Raymond
> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 7:07 PM
> To: Diesel List
> Subject: [MBZ] BMW motorcycles
>
> I know we've got some motorcycle heads on here...
>
> I'm thinking this is the year for me to get a different ride, right now
> we've got an '89 Kawasaki 454 LTD for the wife and an '82 Honda CB900f for
> me. She didn't ride at all last year and I only rode a little. Part of it
> is
> the Honda isn't really a highway bike and my commute is all highway. I'd
> ride a standard or sport/touring bike more. The Honda's forward lean is too
> uncomfortable for my wrists long term.
>
> So I've started looking and found an '82 BMW R65 with only 70,000 miles. My
> Honda has 45k, that kind of mileage doesn't scare me although it does some
> folks. I remember reading somewhere (here maybe) that some of the older
> BMWs
> were a handful because they were kind of primitive. I guess I need some
> guidance. I'm thinking to spend not more than $2000 which is more than both
> bikes I have now combined.
> Remember I live in New England, our riding season is kind of compressed. I
> usually get the bikes out in May and we're done by October. Sometimes
> theres
> a run into November but not often so a big money bike ain't happening.
>
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] BMW motorcycles

[Scott Ritchey]

I had an R75 back in the 70s and it was a fine machine, in its day.  My
perspective is dated because I quit riding in 1981 (job and relocation
reasons).  I'd be concerned about an air-cooled engine with that many miles;
you might want a compression test, as a minimum.  It is a mechanically
simple motor but the carbs can be tricky.  The shaft drive eliminated a lot
of maintenance and problems common to other bikes of that era.  But I can't
help but think there must be many newer and more advanced machines out there
these days.  The opposed two was smooth compared to the vertical, hard
mounted motors of the day but still rough compared to a water-cooled Honda. 

Scott

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Curt Raymond
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 7:07 PM
To: Diesel List
Subject: [MBZ] BMW motorcycles

I know we've got some motorcycle heads on here...

I'm thinking this is the year for me to get a different ride, right now
we've got an '89 Kawasaki 454 LTD for the wife and an '82 Honda CB900f for
me. She didn't ride at all last year and I only rode a little. Part of it is
the Honda isn't really a highway bike and my commute is all highway. I'd
ride a standard or sport/touring bike more. The Honda's forward lean is too
uncomfortable for my wrists long term.

So I've started looking and found an '82 BMW R65 with only 70,000 miles. My
Honda has 45k, that kind of mileage doesn't scare me although it does some
folks. I remember reading somewhere (here maybe) that some of the older BMWs
were a handful because they were kind of primitive. I guess I need some
guidance. I'm thinking to spend not more than $2000 which is more than both
bikes I have now combined.
Remember I live in New England, our riding season is kind of compressed. I
usually get the bikes out in May and we're done by October. Sometimes theres
a run into November but not often so a big money bike ain't happening.

-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] VW Westfalia campers?

[Allan Streib]

E M  writes:

> Thanks Peter.  I've always thought the campers were really cool.  If I were
> to get one, it would never really go further than an hour or so up the
> road, to my local race track.  Not to track it, but for the long weekends
> which some events are held over.  A/C and heat are not really high on my
> list, as it really would be just a weekend toy, so roughing it a bit would
> probably add to the experience.  Just want it to be sound, and go down the
> road reasonable safely (as safely as the car will allow anyway, given my
> knees will be the crumple zone in the event of an accident, hee hee).

The Vanagons are actually not as bad in an accident as you might think.
The old microbuses were much more dangerous.  The Vanagon front end
framing is V shaped and quite strong, so the impact energy is absorbed
in spreading that structure.  There are crash test videos somewhere on
YouTube I think.

I had a '91 GL.  Was not outfitted as a camper at all, pretty much just
a 7 passenger minivan.  The rear seat does fold flat for sleeping if
that's all you need, though.  There is also version of the interior
where the center seats face backwords and there is a fold-up table
between them and the rear seat.  There is a "weekender" version which
IIRC has a poptop but no stove or refrigerator.  Finally there is the
full Westfalia.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D
1979 300SD

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Re: [MBZ] BMW motorcycles

[Fmiser]

> Curt Raymond wrote:

> Goldwing is for sure a good bike but its a HUGE bike. Its
> really a barcalounger on 2 wheels...

All this talk of Goldwings and touring bikes and nobody has
mentioned Moto Guzzi?

There!  Now _I_ have. :)

--  Philip

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Re: [MBZ] VW Westfalia campers?

[E M]

Thanks Peter.  I've always thought the campers were really cool.  If I were
to get one, it would never really go further than an hour or so up the
road, to my local race track.  Not to track it, but for the long weekends
which some events are held over.  A/C and heat are not really high on my
list, as it really would be just a weekend toy, so roughing it a bit would
probably add to the experience.  Just want it to be sound, and go down the
road reasonable safely (as safely as the car will allow anyway, given my
knees will be the crumple zone in the event of an accident, hee hee).

Thanks again for your tips and suggestions Peter.

Ed
300E

On 9 March 2012 12:09, Peter Hertzing  wrote:

> I have owened a 1985 Westy with the 1.9L and an Auto.  It was a great cross
> country camping mobile as long as you were not in a hurry to get anywhere,
> and creature comforts, such as air conditioning and the power to cross the
> continental divide in a day are not on your list of requierments for
> reliable transportation.
>
> That being said, we loved it.  Sold it when campting time was reduced du to
> added children.  I rebuilt an engine and it was pretty easy and low cost.
> (note this is how I learned not to drive it over about 65 MPH)  the
> greatest reliability comes at about 60MPH.  I added lowering springs which
> reduced ground clerance but sure added to the stability on the road.
>
> Now that I am no longer a nomad I miss my days in my VW.
>
> 1982.5 was the first year for water cooled.  If heat is important to you,
> this is the only way to go.  I will not speak for anyone else - but my
> experience has been that the water cooled models were more reliable.  The
> head issue is true - but can be avoided with a properly assembled engine
> and teh proper coolant and proper coolant changes. Tires are important, and
> using your head is important as well.  Dont' over load it.  Don't dirve it
> over 65 mph.
>
> If you can drive an old mercedes you can drive and old vw vanagon.
>
> I also had a 1974 airheated vw camper.  Had its advanatges and
> disadvatages, but I found the cost of operation and the carb made it less
> reliable.
>
> Hope this helps - I still have some parts so let me know if you get one.
>
> Peter
>
> On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 9:39 AM, E M  wrote:
>
> > Thanks Allan, lots of good info there!
> >
> > Ed
> > 300E
> >
> > On 9 March 2012 10:33, Allan Streib  wrote:
> >
> > > I would go for the last gen Vanagon with Westy kit.  (I think '91 was
> > > the last year for the USA, not sure about Canada).
> > >
> > > That will get you air conditioning (at least the chance of it, it may
> > > not work).  All the water-cooled Vanagons have decent heat,
> particularly
> > > in comparison to the earlier air-cooled Vanagons and microbuses.
> > >
> > > The 2.1 l boxer engine is a weak point, often develop head gasket
> leaks,
> > > religous coolant changes may help avoid issues but it's fundamentally a
> > > bad design.  The "Digifant" engine management system is rather
> primitive
> > > as well, and at 20+ years of age the electronics are no longer really
> > > reliable.
> > >
> > > Check engine compartment fuel hoses for cracks, several are positioned
> > > right above the exhaust and if they start leaking you'll have good
> > > chance for a fire.
> > >
> > > Many people swap in a Subaru engine or even a Ford Zetec (see
> > > http://www.bostig.com) as much for reliability as additional power.
> > >
> > > Be sure you run the proper tires, the vehicles are heavy and need a
> load
> > > range "C" tire.  The Hankook RA-08 are favored among Vanagon owners.
> > >
> > > A westy in good condition, properly maintained and with a professional
> > > engine transplant will not be cheap.  Then again, a cheap Westy is
> about
> > > like a cheap Mercedes.
> > >
> > > Allan
> > >
> > >
> > > Curt Raymond  writes:
> > >
> > > > I think '79 or '80 was the last year for the proper microbus, after
> > that
> > > you get into the Vanagon which I'll admit has grown on me over the
> years.
> > > The 2l engine in the Vanagon is a monster for power compared to the
> early
> > > 1600cc.
> > > >
> > > > Best would be to find one with a no-rust body but a tired or
> completely
> > > dead engine. IIRC for $3k you can do a really nice brand new engine.
> $3k
> > in
> > > paint isn't a whole lot on something so tall and long.
> > > >
> > > > I'd love to have one too, my wife and I dream of someday driving
> across
> > > the US and a VW is our #2 choice. Number 1 would be a 123 300TD turbo.
> > The
> > > MB wagon is such a nice driving car and a wagon would have plenty of
> > space
> > > for stuff and an air mattress for occasional camping for 2.
> > > >
> > > > -Curt
> > > >
> > > > Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 01:35:30 -0500
> > > > From: E M 
> > > > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] VW Westfalia campers?
> > > > Message-ID:
> > > >  > g...@mail.gmail.com>
> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> > > >
> > > 

Re: [MBZ] leaks under front seat, W124

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Mar 9, 2012 7:49 AM, "Dan Penoff"  wrote:
>
> Have you pulled the back seat
>to see if it might be coming from
> that direction?
>

No.   And I am in fact getting some water coming into the trunk on the
passenget side as well, pooling in the pocket in front of the taillight.
But IIRC when I've had the back seat out I don't remember seeing a
passageway between the two that was low enough that standing water could
seep through, so it didn't occur to me that the two could be connected.

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] rusty SL

[clay monroe]

This thing would swallow $10k without a hiccough.  That there are parts and 
pieces available just makes that more likely, though I doubt the values would 
increase to cover the costs.  I have seen enough of these now that have worn 
interiors in want of attention, but can be driven for a while before actually 
tackling the job.  This one needs it all tossed out, scrub the MBTex with 
ant-ifungal and gallons of POR-15 to stabilize the metal.  Fresh backer for the 
door panels and a complete set of seals to slow the incursion of water.

clay



On Mar 9, 2012, at 6:35 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:

> For once we agree. I was thinking $2,000 would be a good price for the 
> paintjob. Prep of course will be extra.
> I bet you could spend $8k without working hard at it.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 23:46:58 -0500 (EST)
> From: relng...@aol.com
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] rusty SL
> Message-ID: <6d32e.6a2bf230.3c8ae...@aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
> 
>> it still rolls, so not a junk yard car, but it is closer to how Gump 
>> was when I got her.? Worth another $2k to bring her back?...
>> 
> I can see you haven't priced rust repair of late.
> 
> RLE
>> 
>> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] More 107 fun

[clay monroe]

All my labor except for the maaco paint.  Lots of bondo and wire wheels.  Maybe 
source sheet metal from freecycle microwaves and harbor freight welder.  given 
the price increase at the PnP, I would have to look at SLC interiors

clay

On Mar 8, 2012, at 8:47 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:

>> It has comprehensive tin worm...Worth another $2k to bring her back?
> 
> 107's (like 116) are really susceptible to rust.  I'd be real leery
> of this, unless I was _not_ planning to really fix it.  Much, anyway.
> 
> I'm not a big fan of the 450SL, especially if it has the Crapsler
> ACC system.  ('77 may have missed having that.)  I think the 380's
> are more pleasant, and get better mileage.  Still, our '76 had its
> good points, little things about it that I liked _better_ than
> the newer ones.  But, I mean _little_ things.  On the whole I prefer
> my 380, except for the wretched oil fouling of #7.
> 
> If this were NOT a convertible this would be more like a $200 car.
> I also wonder where your $2k figure came from, I'm betting it would
> be more than that, unless it was all your labor.
> 
> -- Jim
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] rusty SL

[clay monroe]

Roger, 

I am thinking about bondo by the 5 gallon bucket.  Get under the sheet metal 
and fiberglass the heck out of it then slap on the bondo top and bottom

clay

On Mar 8, 2012, at 8:46 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote:

>> it still rolls, so not a junk yard car, but it is closer to how Gump 
>> was when I got her.  Worth another $2k to bring her back?...
>> 
> I can see you haven't priced rust repair of late.
> 
> RLE
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] VW Westfalia campers?

[Peter Hertzing]

I have owened a 1985 Westy with the 1.9L and an Auto.  It was a great cross
country camping mobile as long as you were not in a hurry to get anywhere,
and creature comforts, such as air conditioning and the power to cross the
continental divide in a day are not on your list of requierments for
reliable transportation.

That being said, we loved it.  Sold it when campting time was reduced du to
added children.  I rebuilt an engine and it was pretty easy and low cost.
(note this is how I learned not to drive it over about 65 MPH)  the
greatest reliability comes at about 60MPH.  I added lowering springs which
reduced ground clerance but sure added to the stability on the road.

Now that I am no longer a nomad I miss my days in my VW.

1982.5 was the first year for water cooled.  If heat is important to you,
this is the only way to go.  I will not speak for anyone else - but my
experience has been that the water cooled models were more reliable.  The
head issue is true - but can be avoided with a properly assembled engine
and teh proper coolant and proper coolant changes. Tires are important, and
using your head is important as well.  Dont' over load it.  Don't dirve it
over 65 mph.

If you can drive an old mercedes you can drive and old vw vanagon.

I also had a 1974 airheated vw camper.  Had its advanatges and
disadvatages, but I found the cost of operation and the carb made it less
reliable.

Hope this helps - I still have some parts so let me know if you get one.

Peter

On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 9:39 AM, E M  wrote:

> Thanks Allan, lots of good info there!
>
> Ed
> 300E
>
> On 9 March 2012 10:33, Allan Streib  wrote:
>
> > I would go for the last gen Vanagon with Westy kit.  (I think '91 was
> > the last year for the USA, not sure about Canada).
> >
> > That will get you air conditioning (at least the chance of it, it may
> > not work).  All the water-cooled Vanagons have decent heat, particularly
> > in comparison to the earlier air-cooled Vanagons and microbuses.
> >
> > The 2.1 l boxer engine is a weak point, often develop head gasket leaks,
> > religous coolant changes may help avoid issues but it's fundamentally a
> > bad design.  The "Digifant" engine management system is rather primitive
> > as well, and at 20+ years of age the electronics are no longer really
> > reliable.
> >
> > Check engine compartment fuel hoses for cracks, several are positioned
> > right above the exhaust and if they start leaking you'll have good
> > chance for a fire.
> >
> > Many people swap in a Subaru engine or even a Ford Zetec (see
> > http://www.bostig.com) as much for reliability as additional power.
> >
> > Be sure you run the proper tires, the vehicles are heavy and need a load
> > range "C" tire.  The Hankook RA-08 are favored among Vanagon owners.
> >
> > A westy in good condition, properly maintained and with a professional
> > engine transplant will not be cheap.  Then again, a cheap Westy is about
> > like a cheap Mercedes.
> >
> > Allan
> >
> >
> > Curt Raymond  writes:
> >
> > > I think '79 or '80 was the last year for the proper microbus, after
> that
> > you get into the Vanagon which I'll admit has grown on me over the years.
> > The 2l engine in the Vanagon is a monster for power compared to the early
> > 1600cc.
> > >
> > > Best would be to find one with a no-rust body but a tired or completely
> > dead engine. IIRC for $3k you can do a really nice brand new engine. $3k
> in
> > paint isn't a whole lot on something so tall and long.
> > >
> > > I'd love to have one too, my wife and I dream of someday driving across
> > the US and a VW is our #2 choice. Number 1 would be a 123 300TD turbo.
> The
> > MB wagon is such a nice driving car and a wagon would have plenty of
> space
> > for stuff and an air mattress for occasional camping for 2.
> > >
> > > -Curt
> > >
> > > Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 01:35:30 -0500
> > > From: E M 
> > > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] VW Westfalia campers?
> > > Message-ID:
> > >  g...@mail.gmail.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> > >
> > > Hey Guys,
> > >
> > > As we're talking about alternative modes of transport, do any of you
> have
> > > any experience with old VW campers?  I've always wanted one, but have
> no
> > > idea of what the current market is.  I'd like an older 70-80s one.
>  Older
> > > would be cool, but I suspect the price for a decent one would be quite
> > > high.  Redoing paint, interior, brakes and tires and such would be
> fine,
> > > but I'd want one with a good solid body (work in that area previously
> > done)
> > > and a sound engine, that just needs going over and having the rubber
> bits
> > > replaced.
> > >
> > > Any idea of the best place to look for these?
> > >
> > > Any thoughts on these welcome.
> > >
> > > Ed
> > > 300E
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Re: [MBZ] leaks under front seat, W124

[Dan Penoff]

Have you pulled the back seat to see if it might be coming from that direction?

Nothing in the pillars but the belt retractors, so you discovered...

Dan

On Mar 9, 2012, at 10:19 AM, Alex Chamberlain  wrote:

> The carpet in my '87 300D is getting wet when the car sits in the
> rain.  The water is pooling in the depression where the right rear
> mounting bolt for the front passenger seat goes into the floor.  If
> the car sits long enough, it spreads to the other bolt (for the same
> seat), then water starts to show up in the front footwell.
> 
> The drains in the front corners of the sunroof appear to be clear (I
> can get a weedwhacker line through them without too much force).  I
> took out the seat and took apart the B-pillar trim hoping that would
> reveal something, but all I got was an interesting view of the
> seatbelt retractor mechanism.
> 
> Any ideas?  Anyone BTDT?
> 
> Thanks,
> Alex
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Re: [MBZ] BMW motorcycles

[Dan Penoff]

I heard Corbin makes a nice seat as well, but I got to try out a Mustang on the 
same bike that a buddy had and I was sold.

I think I paid nearly $400 for the seat and backrest cushion, but I tell you, 
it made such a difference when it came to comfort, especially on longer rides.

I just can't get into the three wheeled bikes, no matter what the design. Don't 
know why. They just seem like a wanna-be motorcycle, that's all. A poseur, if 
you would.

Dan

On Mar 9, 2012, at 10:24 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> I have a Corbin seat on my CB900f, at first I thought the hard hard seat 
> would make it a short range bike but after a few rides (time for my muscles 
> to harden back up) its no problem.
> 
> I suspect the CB350 is a 50 mile bike because its SMALL and not terribly 
> powerful. My wife's 454 LTD is cushy enough, monkey butt isn't the problem, 
> the lousy position my knees are in is. I have to be dammed careful after a 50 
> mile freeway run to make sure my right knee will work correctly at that first 
> stop. I crunched that knee on a rock when I was 13 and its never been right. 
> Docs tell me it'll probably never get any better but at least it hasn't 
> gotten any worse.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 07:06:10 -0500
> From: Dan Penoff 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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> 
> If you have a 50 mile bike, invest in a Mustang seat. Pricey, but your butt 
> will thank you. No more monkey butt!
> 
> Dan who's former Yamaha 1100 Virago had a Mustang seat
> 
> On Mar 8, 2012, at 11:51 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
> 
>> My dad's K100 is an excellent long-distance tourer.
>> He swears by it.  I've ridden it, it's quite comfortable.
>> Much more so than my old CB350, or my CB750K.  (One's
>> a 50-mile bike.  The other's a 100-mile bike.  Dad's
>> is a 500-mile bike.)
>> 
>> My brother swears by his 'wing.  OTOH he loves GM vehicles,
>> and hates MB vehicles.
>> 
>> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] VW Westfalia campers?

[E M]

Thanks Allan, lots of good info there!

Ed
300E

On 9 March 2012 10:33, Allan Streib  wrote:

> I would go for the last gen Vanagon with Westy kit.  (I think '91 was
> the last year for the USA, not sure about Canada).
>
> That will get you air conditioning (at least the chance of it, it may
> not work).  All the water-cooled Vanagons have decent heat, particularly
> in comparison to the earlier air-cooled Vanagons and microbuses.
>
> The 2.1 l boxer engine is a weak point, often develop head gasket leaks,
> religous coolant changes may help avoid issues but it's fundamentally a
> bad design.  The "Digifant" engine management system is rather primitive
> as well, and at 20+ years of age the electronics are no longer really
> reliable.
>
> Check engine compartment fuel hoses for cracks, several are positioned
> right above the exhaust and if they start leaking you'll have good
> chance for a fire.
>
> Many people swap in a Subaru engine or even a Ford Zetec (see
> http://www.bostig.com) as much for reliability as additional power.
>
> Be sure you run the proper tires, the vehicles are heavy and need a load
> range "C" tire.  The Hankook RA-08 are favored among Vanagon owners.
>
> A westy in good condition, properly maintained and with a professional
> engine transplant will not be cheap.  Then again, a cheap Westy is about
> like a cheap Mercedes.
>
> Allan
>
>
> Curt Raymond  writes:
>
> > I think '79 or '80 was the last year for the proper microbus, after that
> you get into the Vanagon which I'll admit has grown on me over the years.
> The 2l engine in the Vanagon is a monster for power compared to the early
> 1600cc.
> >
> > Best would be to find one with a no-rust body but a tired or completely
> dead engine. IIRC for $3k you can do a really nice brand new engine. $3k in
> paint isn't a whole lot on something so tall and long.
> >
> > I'd love to have one too, my wife and I dream of someday driving across
> the US and a VW is our #2 choice. Number 1 would be a 123 300TD turbo. The
> MB wagon is such a nice driving car and a wagon would have plenty of space
> for stuff and an air mattress for occasional camping for 2.
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> > Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 01:35:30 -0500
> > From: E M 
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] VW Westfalia campers?
> > Message-ID:
> > 
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > Hey Guys,
> >
> > As we're talking about alternative modes of transport, do any of you have
> > any experience with old VW campers?  I've always wanted one, but have no
> > idea of what the current market is.  I'd like an older 70-80s one.  Older
> > would be cool, but I suspect the price for a decent one would be quite
> > high.  Redoing paint, interior, brakes and tires and such would be fine,
> > but I'd want one with a good solid body (work in that area previously
> done)
> > and a sound engine, that just needs going over and having the rubber bits
> > replaced.
> >
> > Any idea of the best place to look for these?
> >
> > Any thoughts on these welcome.
> >
> > Ed
> > 300E
> >
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Re: [MBZ] BMW motorcycles

[Curt Raymond]

You're not mocking the Spyder are you? That thing is awesome, finally a 3 
wheeler with the wheels in the right order.

That said if I were to get a three wheeler:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pq9gBNlgkpw

-Curt

Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 08:47:21 -0500
From: Dan Penoff 
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I like the fact that there is an option for little "training wheels" that come 
out of the bottom of the saddlebags when you come to a stop.

Sort of like those douchy-looking three wheelers they have out now

Dan

On Mar 9, 2012, at 8:45 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Goldwing is for sure a good bike but its a HUGE bike. Its really a 
> barcalounger on 2 wheels...
> 
> I'm not sure I'm old enough for a Goldwing ;)
> 
> -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] VW Westfalia campers?

[Allan Streib]

I would go for the last gen Vanagon with Westy kit.  (I think '91 was
the last year for the USA, not sure about Canada).

That will get you air conditioning (at least the chance of it, it may
not work).  All the water-cooled Vanagons have decent heat, particularly
in comparison to the earlier air-cooled Vanagons and microbuses.

The 2.1 l boxer engine is a weak point, often develop head gasket leaks,
religous coolant changes may help avoid issues but it's fundamentally a
bad design.  The "Digifant" engine management system is rather primitive
as well, and at 20+ years of age the electronics are no longer really
reliable.

Check engine compartment fuel hoses for cracks, several are positioned
right above the exhaust and if they start leaking you'll have good
chance for a fire.

Many people swap in a Subaru engine or even a Ford Zetec (see
http://www.bostig.com) as much for reliability as additional power.

Be sure you run the proper tires, the vehicles are heavy and need a load
range "C" tire.  The Hankook RA-08 are favored among Vanagon owners.

A westy in good condition, properly maintained and with a professional
engine transplant will not be cheap.  Then again, a cheap Westy is about
like a cheap Mercedes.

Allan


Curt Raymond  writes:

> I think '79 or '80 was the last year for the proper microbus, after that you 
> get into the Vanagon which I'll admit has grown on me over the years. The 2l 
> engine in the Vanagon is a monster for power compared to the early 1600cc.
>
> Best would be to find one with a no-rust body but a tired or completely dead 
> engine. IIRC for $3k you can do a really nice brand new engine. $3k in paint 
> isn't a whole lot on something so tall and long.
>
> I'd love to have one too, my wife and I dream of someday driving across the 
> US and a VW is our #2 choice. Number 1 would be a 123 300TD turbo. The MB 
> wagon is such a nice driving car and a wagon would have plenty of space for 
> stuff and an air mattress for occasional camping for 2.
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 01:35:30 -0500
> From: E M 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] VW Westfalia campers?
> Message-ID:
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Hey Guys,
>
> As we're talking about alternative modes of transport, do any of you have
> any experience with old VW campers?  I've always wanted one, but have no
> idea of what the current market is.  I'd like an older 70-80s one.  Older
> would be cool, but I suspect the price for a decent one would be quite
> high.  Redoing paint, interior, brakes and tires and such would be fine,
> but I'd want one with a good solid body (work in that area previously done)
> and a sound engine, that just needs going over and having the rubber bits
> replaced.
>
> Any idea of the best place to look for these?
>
> Any thoughts on these welcome.
>
> Ed
> 300E
>
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Re: [MBZ] BMW motorcycles

[Curt Raymond]

I have a Corbin seat on my CB900f, at first I thought the hard hard seat would 
make it a short range bike but after a few rides (time for my muscles to harden 
back up) its no problem.

I suspect the CB350 is a 50 mile bike because its SMALL and not terribly 
powerful. My wife's 454 LTD is cushy enough, monkey butt isn't the problem, the 
lousy position my knees are in is. I have to be dammed careful after a 50 mile 
freeway run to make sure my right knee will work correctly at that first stop. 
I crunched that knee on a rock when I was 13 and its never been right. Docs 
tell me it'll probably never get any better but at least it hasn't gotten any 
worse.

-Curt

Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 07:06:10 -0500
From: Dan Penoff 
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If you have a 50 mile bike, invest in a Mustang seat. Pricey, but your butt 
will thank you. No more monkey butt!

Dan who's former Yamaha 1100 Virago had a Mustang seat

On Mar 8, 2012, at 11:51 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:

> My dad's K100 is an excellent long-distance tourer.
> He swears by it.  I've ridden it, it's quite comfortable.
> Much more so than my old CB350, or my CB750K.  (One's
> a 50-mile bike.  The other's a 100-mile bike.  Dad's
> is a 500-mile bike.)
> 
> My brother swears by his 'wing.  OTOH he loves GM vehicles,
> and hates MB vehicles.
> 
> -- Jim

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Re: [MBZ] my newest grand daughter

[WILTON]

Congratulations!  'Hope all are doing well.

Wilton

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[MBZ] leaks under front seat, W124

[Alex Chamberlain]

The carpet in my '87 300D is getting wet when the car sits in the
rain.  The water is pooling in the depression where the right rear
mounting bolt for the front passenger seat goes into the floor.  If
the car sits long enough, it spreads to the other bolt (for the same
seat), then water starts to show up in the front footwell.

The drains in the front corners of the sunroof appear to be clear (I
can get a weedwhacker line through them without too much force).  I
took out the seat and took apart the B-pillar trim hoping that would
reveal something, but all I got was an interesting view of the
seatbelt retractor mechanism.

Any ideas?  Anyone BTDT?

Thanks,
Alex

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Re: [MBZ] rusty SL

[E M]

What are you talking about, couple of micowave panels, tube or two of
shoegoo, and she'll be all set for Pebble Beach for well under 2 grand. hee
hee.

Ed
300E

On 9 March 2012 09:35, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> For once we agree. I was thinking $2,000 would be a good price for the
> paintjob. Prep of course will be extra.
> I bet you could spend $8k without working hard at it.
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 23:46:58 -0500 (EST)
> From: relng...@aol.com
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] rusty SL
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
>
> > it still rolls, so not a junk yard car, but it is closer to how Gump
> > was when I got her.? Worth another $2k to bring her back?...
> >
> I can see you haven't priced rust repair of late.
>
> RLE
> >
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] BMW motorcycles

[E M]

A Goldwing is for people who really want a Honda Accord, but prefer to
drive around with no doors.

Ed
300E

On 9 March 2012 08:45, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Goldwing is for sure a good bike but its a HUGE bike. Its really a
> barcalounger on 2 wheels...
>
> I'm not sure I'm old enough for a Goldwing ;)
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 20:03:34 -0600
> From: Mountain Man 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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> 
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>
> Curt wrote:
> > Thats a joke right? I post an R65 and you come back with Goldwing?
>
> Goldwing is a strong bike as far as I hear.  My son has 4 or 5
> airheads.  He could advise you on the airheads - he rebuilds them to
> better than showroom new.  There is huge number of airhead riders.
> Search airheads and watch adventurerider - advrider - Old's Cool
> forum.  There might be a sales forum there also.  airheads dot org has
> a sales forum.
> mao
>
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Re: [MBZ] '77 240D alternator belt adjustment woes

[Jim Cathey]

 I do have another question.  While rolling around under the car, I 
found a part attached to the cross member just behind the oil pan.  In 
the middle of this cross member is a stud/bolt that faces the oil pan. 
 Right now, it has bare threads at one end.  Is there supposed to be a 
nut on it?  What is it holding?


Isn't that for some kind of front engine mount?

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] VW Westfalia campers?

[E M]

Thanks Barry.

Ed

On 9 March 2012 03:00, Barry Stark  wrote:

> Ed -
> Go to www.gowesty.com
>
> Barry
>
>
>
> >Any idea of the best place to look for these?
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] VW Westfalia campers?

[Curt Raymond]

I think '79 or '80 was the last year for the proper microbus, after that you 
get into the Vanagon which I'll admit has grown on me over the years. The 2l 
engine in the Vanagon is a monster for power compared to the early 1600cc.

Best would be to find one with a no-rust body but a tired or completely dead 
engine. IIRC for $3k you can do a really nice brand new engine. $3k in paint 
isn't a whole lot on something so tall and long.

I'd love to have one too, my wife and I dream of someday driving across the US 
and a VW is our #2 choice. Number 1 would be a 123 300TD turbo. The MB wagon is 
such a nice driving car and a wagon would have plenty of space for stuff and an 
air mattress for occasional camping for 2.

-Curt

Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 01:35:30 -0500
From: E M 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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Message-ID:

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Hey Guys,

As we're talking about alternative modes of transport, do any of you have
any experience with old VW campers?  I've always wanted one, but have no
idea of what the current market is.  I'd like an older 70-80s one.  Older
would be cool, but I suspect the price for a decent one would be quite
high.  Redoing paint, interior, brakes and tires and such would be fine,
but I'd want one with a good solid body (work in that area previously done)
and a sound engine, that just needs going over and having the rubber bits
replaced.

Any idea of the best place to look for these?

Any thoughts on these welcome.

Ed
300E

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Re: [MBZ] Water pump or thermostat?

[Curt Raymond]

I'm glad I'm not the only one!

I'm also glad to have this car back in service. I had new tie rods put on the 
190D last week and it needs an alignment BADLY before it gets driven anymore.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 23:35:08 -0600
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> Curt Raymond wrote:

> How about low coolant?

Yup.  I've seen that a number of times.  I have not determined
_why_ but it's only a problem when the air is cold and the
engine is idling.  Then a quart or two (1-2 L) low is enough to
let the engine get hot.

--Philip


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Re: [MBZ] rusty SL

[Curt Raymond]

For once we agree. I was thinking $2,000 would be a good price for the 
paintjob. Prep of course will be extra.
I bet you could spend $8k without working hard at it.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 23:46:58 -0500 (EST)
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> it still rolls, so not a junk yard car, but it is closer to how Gump 
> was when I got her.? Worth another $2k to bring her back?...
> 
I can see you haven't priced rust repair of late.

RLE
> 
> 


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Re: [MBZ] BMW motorcycles

[Curt Raymond]

Yeah thats mostly my thoughts on the issue. BMW makes crotch rockets too ;).

I'd thought about getting a more upright pair of handlebars for mine but it'd 
ruin the look and originality of what I've got.

I'm also not a fan of cruisers. I've ridden a couple and just don't like that 
leaning back thing. I want more of a standard, sit up kind of position.

I did see a CB400 on Craigslist for very small money. They're considered very 
girly which keeps the price down. Might be a fun toy for a summer.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 21:35:02 -0700
From: G Mann 
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My 0.02 cents worth.

If you are looking for a painful to ride, crotch rocket that makes noise
like a Formula 1 car, keep what you have.

If you want a civilized touring bike that can carry two, makes good power,
operates smoothly, buy the BMW.

The BMW rides differently than what you are now using, but it's a quick
adjustment and I believe it might fit what you want for use.

I've been coast to coast a couple of times on BMW bikes and at the end of
each day they hadn't beat me up nearly as bad as other bikes I've ridden
distance.

Grant...


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Re: [MBZ] BMW motorcycles

[Curt Raymond]

I know what you mean. The snowmobile community is heavy with testosterone.  
Snowmobiles have gotten stupid, they're pushing 150hp and guys want more.

My CB900f has all the power I could ever want and a lot more. I never need to 
take it past half throttle. For that matter the 454 has plenty of power, theres 
a fun article from '89 where it out drags (just walks away from) a Corvette in 
the 1/4 mile.

Sounds like I should probably go take a look at it. The guy is asking $1300 
which might mean $1000 if I wave Franklins at him. Most guys here buy bikes in 
the fall, theres a noticeable decline in price after the first of the year 
until that first warm day in April or May where the latecomers hit the party.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 19:41:03 -0800
From: clay monroe 
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Testosterone thing.  Most guys look for the GS or R100 for hauling ability.  
The R65 is just too tiny in their mind.  A chick bike.  You have no idea how 
many pink ones I have seen.  Best to look for is R65LS with the fairing.  You 
can fit the K75 sport fairing windscreen to give a nice calm pocket over the 
tank and rider.

clay

On Mar 8, 2012, at 5:13 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

> Thats a joke right? I post an R65 and you come back with Goldwing?
> 
> I want a midsize bike, 500-750cc. I'm actually quite pleased with the power 
> available (32hp) with the Kawi 454, it'll do 80+mph with 200+lbs of me on 
> board.
> 
> Looks like the R65 is not universally loved which might explain the $1300 
> price tag on what looks like a nice bike. I may have to go check it out.
> 
> 
> 
> -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] BMW motorcycles

[Curt Raymond]

I see the disconnect. I said sport/touring meaning more like: 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUIV_d65lT4
In the video they say "its big" but compared to a Gold Wing its a pup.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 18:34:21 -0800
From: Rick Knoble 
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> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 17:13:06 -0800
> From: curtlud...@yahoo.com
> 
> Thats a joke right? I post an R65 and you come back with Goldwing?
> 
> I want a midsize bike, 500-750cc. I'm actually quite pleased with the power 
> available (32hp) with the Kawi 454, it'll do 80+mph with 200+lbs of me on 
> board.
> 

Not a joke. Original post said:

> > From: curtlud...@yahoo.com
> > 
> > I know we've got some motorcycle heads on here...
> > 
> > Part of it is the Honda isn't really a highway bike and my commute is all 
> > highway. I'd ride a standard or sport/touring bike more. The Honda's 
> > forward lean is too uncomfortable for my wrists long term.

Nothing there about mid-size. You wrote "sport/touring bike".

It is obvious that the Goldwing is a touring bike.

These videos should be convincing enough to show it as a 
sport bike also.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nrMQ3QwyPo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSVg3Gg4LmA

Rick
  

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Re: [MBZ] BMW motorcycles

[Jim Cathey]

Goldwing is for sure a good bike but its a HUGE bike.


The 'wings have reverse.  (Part of the starter motor system.)
That ought to tell you something.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] BMW motorcycles

[Dan Penoff]

I like the fact that there is an option for little "training wheels" that come 
out of the bottom of the saddlebags when you come to a stop.

Sort of like those douchy-looking three wheelers they have out now

Dan

On Mar 9, 2012, at 8:45 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Goldwing is for sure a good bike but its a HUGE bike. Its really a 
> barcalounger on 2 wheels...
> 
> I'm not sure I'm old enough for a Goldwing ;)
> 
> -Curt
> 
> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 20:03:34 -0600
> From: Mountain Man 
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> Curt wrote:
>> Thats a joke right? I post an R65 and you come back with Goldwing?
> 
> Goldwing is a strong bike as far as I hear.  My son has 4 or 5
> airheads.  He could advise you on the airheads - he rebuilds them to
> better than showroom new.  There is huge number of airhead riders.
> Search airheads and watch adventurerider - advrider - Old's Cool
> forum.  There might be a sales forum there also.  airheads dot org has
> a sales forum.
> mao
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Water pump or thermostat?

[Curt Raymond]

Of course! Duh...

That explains why after reaching operating temp the base of the injectors (the 
hottest place I could find) didn't climb in step with the indicator in the car.

So the other good news is I probably didn't damage the engine, though it 
probably needs (and needed) a new headgasket anyway.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 20:14:49 -0600
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Air bubbles in the cooling system will do that --- no cooling at the sensor.

On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 5:13 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> How about low coolant?
>
> It looked normal to me, the tops of the tubes were covered and I thought
> that was enough. Today I got a new battery for my IR thermometer (thanks
> Fred!) and started taking temps. As before the temp headed for the roof. I
> shut 'er down as the thermostat housing didn't seem to be getting warm
> enough for the t-stat to open and thought maybe the coolant looked a little
> low, and after all some extra couldn't hurt. I added about a quart of
> coolant and on restart started to see the signs of coolant flow (I could
> measure rising coolant temp and see teeny wisps of water vapor.
>
> I ran the car about 10 minutes more with no noticeable change in temp, the
> gauge sat right at 175F, my measurement at the thermostat housing was about
> 160F and the highest I could find on the head was 180F.
>
> Theres a little bubbling leak at the head gasket on the front driver's
> corner of the head which I guess is where the coolant goes. Its done it the
> 1 1/2 years I've had the car so I never thought much of it. Needs a pint
> every other month maybe. I guess I forgot for awhile. Funny that it was
> fine all week commuting and then got all weird all of a sudden.
>
> -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] BMW motorcycles

[Curt Raymond]

Goldwing is for sure a good bike but its a HUGE bike. Its really a barcalounger 
on 2 wheels...

I'm not sure I'm old enough for a Goldwing ;)

-Curt

Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 20:03:34 -0600
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Curt wrote:
> Thats a joke right? I post an R65 and you come back with Goldwing?

Goldwing is a strong bike as far as I hear.  My son has 4 or 5
airheads.  He could advise you on the airheads - he rebuilds them to
better than showroom new.  There is huge number of airhead riders.
Search airheads and watch adventurerider - advrider - Old's Cool
forum.  There might be a sales forum there also.  airheads dot org has
a sales forum.
mao


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Re: [MBZ] one of the strangest things I've ever seen...

[Curt Raymond]

They seem to, my grandmother uses them in her house thats unoccupied most of 
the year. Before the repellers mice were a big problem, now they're not.

They do seem to have a lifespan though. My cousins have some in their cabin 
that don't do squat. I saw a mouse sitting on one once...


-Curt

Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 18:48:35 -0700
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On Thu, 8 Mar 2012 06:18:25 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond
 wrote:

> I think I'm finally going to get an ultrasonic repeller...

Do those actually work?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] BMW motorcycles

[Dan Penoff]

If you have a 50 mile bike, invest in a Mustang seat. Pricey, but your butt 
will thank you. No more monkey butt!

Dan who's former Yamaha 1100 Virago had a Mustang seat

On Mar 8, 2012, at 11:51 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:

> My dad's K100 is an excellent long-distance tourer.
> He swears by it.  I've ridden it, it's quite comfortable.
> Much more so than my old CB350, or my CB750K.  (One's
> a 50-mile bike.  The other's a 100-mile bike.  Dad's
> is a 500-mile bike.)
> 
> My brother swears by his 'wing.  OTOH he loves GM vehicles,
> and hates MB vehicles.
> 
> -- Jim
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Hit a deer....need a right Bosch Euro headlight glass for my83 300d.

[Rolf]

I too am looking for glass only.

-Rolf

On 3/8/2012 9:45 PM, Dave Cavner wrote:

I've seen Bosch glass available on the big auction site.
Helps to know the Mercedes and/or Bosch part number you need. Sometimes listed 
that way instead of by vehicle type.
Check the 'standard' (non-US) version of the EPC.

Dave


On Mar 8, 2012, at 6:14 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:


What about Hella glass/parts, specifically 114/115?  (I'm guessing not.)

-- Jim

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Re: [MBZ] my newest grand daughter

[Rolf]

Congrats old man.  Your son didn't learn the lesson I learned at 3 
daughters :D


-ROlf

On 3/7/2012 4:06 PM, Rusty Cullens wrote:

My 4th grand daughter, born today at 2:17PM


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Re: [MBZ] VW Westfalia campers?

[Barry Stark]

Ed -
Go to www.gowesty.com

Barry 



>Any idea of the best place to look for these?



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