date:20121102

Yes, they seem to be missing at least one clamp, but it looks as if lines four 
and five are clamped together at each end.

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'87 300TD

Craig  wrote:

>On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 01:09:57 -0400 Max Dillon
>
>wrote:
>
>> http://charleston.craigslist.org/pts/3376945305.html
>
>Those have fewer clamps than mine!
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Picture of OM617 injection line clamping

On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 01:09:57 -0400 Max Dillon 
wrote:

> http://charleston.craigslist.org/pts/3376945305.html

Those have fewer clamps than mine!


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Re: [MBZ] Picture of OM617 injection line clamping

http://charleston.craigslist.org/pts/3376945305.html


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'87 300TD

Craig  wrote:

>I have a problem with a fuel leak on our 240D/3.0 and I think it's
>caused
>by the injection line for cylinder #5. I think the joint from the line
>to
>the fitting that threads on top of the delivery valve is cracked.
>
>In looking around, I saw that, unlike the other lines, there are no
>clamps on that line. This cannot be correct, can it?
>
>Would someone with a 5-cylinder W123 send me some pictures of the
>clamping of the injection lines so I can compare with my car? I presume
>the clamping of the injection lines is the same for turbo and
>non-turbo.
>
>Thanks,
>
>
>Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Picture of OM617 injection line clamping

Set of injection lines from a five cylinder turbo on Craigs list here, $50.
-- 
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'95 E300
'87 300TD

Craig  wrote:

>I have a problem with a fuel leak on our 240D/3.0 and I think it's
>caused
>by the injection line for cylinder #5. I think the joint from the line
>to
>the fitting that threads on top of the delivery valve is cracked.
>
>In looking around, I saw that, unlike the other lines, there are no
>clamps on that line. This cannot be correct, can it?
>
>Would someone with a 5-cylinder W123 send me some pictures of the
>clamping of the injection lines so I can compare with my car? I presume
>the clamping of the injection lines is the same for turbo and
>non-turbo.
>
>Thanks,
>
>
>Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Exciting approach

On Sat, 3 Nov 2012 00:02:49 -0400 (EDT) relng...@aol.com wrote:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsZqN-uEgQU&feature=youtu.be

It is indeed an exciting approach, especially that last left turn.

Now, how do they get it out of there?!


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Re: [MBZ] the old refrain

2012-11-02 Thread Dimitri Seretakis

Virginia drivers suck all around. When driving in DC or Md, the idiot drivers 
always have VA plates.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 2, 2012, at 11:03 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote:

...My brother hated winter driving in Virginia because the other drivers 
were scary
in snow...

It's always the other drivers, isn't it?

RLE


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[MBZ] Exciting approach

2012-11-02 Thread RELNGSON

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsZqN-uEgQU&feature=youtu.be
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[MBZ] Picture of OM617 injection line clamping

I have a problem with a fuel leak on our 240D/3.0 and I think it's caused
by the injection line for cylinder #5. I think the joint from the line to
the fitting that threads on top of the delivery valve is cracked.

In looking around, I saw that, unlike the other lines, there are no
clamps on that line. This cannot be correct, can it?

Would someone with a 5-cylinder W123 send me some pictures of the
clamping of the injection lines so I can compare with my car? I presume
the clamping of the injection lines is the same for turbo and non-turbo.

Thanks,


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] drive safe this winter

On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 23:38:33 -0400 "WILTON"  wrote:

> Raleigh-Durham-Cary, NC.
> 
> Wilton

You're near there, too, aren't you Wilton?

Craig

P.S. And in case you're wondering why I'm asking, I'm putting all this
 information into a file so I can figure out where people are.

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Re: [MBZ] 1986 Volvo Diesel sedan (Hunt)

2012-11-02 Thread Peter Frederick

Somebody should snag it.  31 mpg on the highway at 70, and I like mine  
better for trips than the Benz.  About the same performance as a W124  
300D 2.5L but runs smoother.


Smokier than a Benz, unbelievably so when the cold start device sticks  
and gives you way too much advance and fuel at low speeds, and when  
the EGR sticks open the black cloud makes it look like a coal fired  
battleship in full career.  Noisy at idle too, but quiet on the road.


Very nice, solid cars, never rust, and that VW engine runs forever IF  
you remember to keep your foot out of it until it's warm.  Otherwise,  
with the extra injection advance from the cold start device you wear  
out the cylinders way fast.


I still have mine, need to get it running again (fuel problems).

Great cars.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] drive safe this winter

2012-11-02 Thread WILTON


Raleigh-Durham-Cary, NC.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Craig" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] drive safe this winter



On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 20:29:45 -0400 Tim C  wrote:


I can drive up north with no problem, but the
slip and slide here makes me want to stay home.


So, where is here?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] drive safe this winter

On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 20:29:45 -0400 Tim C  wrote:

> I can drive up north with no problem, but the
> slip and slide here makes me want to stay home.

So, where is here?


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Re: [MBZ] the old refrain

2012-11-02 Thread RELNGSON

> ...My brother hated winter driving in Virginia because the other drivers 
> were scary
> in snow...
> 
It's always the other drivers, isn't it?

RLE
> 
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Re: [MBZ] drive safe this winter

Upstate NY usually gets freezing rain then anywhere from inches to feet of
snow on top of it.  I have driven in all seasons on and off road in both NC
and NY.  Winter driving in NY is best described to Southern folk like
this.."See that there greasy red clay hill all littered with rocks?
Make it bigger with a few less rocks and then cover it all up with a foot
or two of snow."

Mike
On Nov 2, 2012 9:43 PM, "Max Dillon"  wrote:

> Well, I really don't think it's fair to compare northern Wisconsin drivers
> to someone from the NYC/New Jersey area.  They would also terrify me in the
> snow!  Upstate New York, yes, fair comparison, but not The City.  My wife
> is from The City, I can barely ride with her in dry and sunny weather.
>  During our last winter visit to Wisconsin, we started a day trip to Copper
> Falls during a minor snow fall, after about thirty minutes my wife was so
> freaked out about driving in the country on slightly snowy roads that we
> turned back.  Now she laughs about it, I think it was the combination of
> snow and isolated country that spooked her.
>
> I do agree with your point about ice under the snow, that is a wicked
> combo, fortunately rare in Wisconsin.
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '95 E300
> '87 300TD
>
> Tim C  wrote:
>
> >On Nov 2, 2012 5:33 PM, "Mitch Haley"  >@
> >voyager.net > wrote:
> >>
> >> Max Dillon wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Yes, that's quite sobering.  Reminds me why I don't drive when it
> >snows
> >here.
> >>
> >>
> >> My brother hated winter driving in Virginia because the other drivers
> >were scary in snow.
> >
> >In the Cary, NC the people who get stuck in the winter weather are the
> >overconfident northerners.  Three issues:
> >1) We have some serious hills.  This especially bothers New York
> >City/Jersey expats for some reason.
> >2) When it snows, the ground is almost always above freezing, and we
> >usually have rain before snow.  The base becomes ice as the temperature
> >drops if the water isn't moving; in newer cities with marginal drainage
> >this means thick ice in random places.  When it starts cold and there
> >is
> >snow it is "normal" (versus Pennsylvania at least) and relatively easy
> >to
> >navigate, but that is very rare here in the center of the state.
> >3) A southern snow plow comes individually wrapped (I think you
> >northerners
> >call it a "shovel", but for some reason I never saw the point).  Salt
> >is
> >something that we use on our food, and anyway our trucks are built to
> >not
> >drop stuff everywhere.  Thus, real southerners utilize technology to do
> >their work from home, while their Boston-hailing bosses wait for the
> >tow
> >truck in the cold. (BTDT...)
> >
> >In the last real snow storm there were many stories of folks getting
> >half
> >way up a hill and then sliding back into a pile of cars and SUVs.  No
> >doubt
> >there are some good YouTubes of it.  Cary being Cary remember that half
> >the
> >people are from north of the Mason-Dixon and the other half are from
> >India.
> >
> >Moral of the story, "physics don' care who you is."
> >
> >Best,
> >Tim
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Re: [MBZ] drive safe this winter

Well, I really don't think it's fair to compare northern Wisconsin drivers to 
someone from the NYC/New Jersey area.  They would also terrify me in the snow!  
Upstate New York, yes, fair comparison, but not The City.  My wife is from The 
City, I can barely ride with her in dry and sunny weather.  During our last 
winter visit to Wisconsin, we started a day trip to Copper Falls during a minor 
snow fall, after about thirty minutes my wife was so freaked out about driving 
in the country on slightly snowy roads that we turned back.  Now she laughs 
about it, I think it was the combination of snow and isolated country that 
spooked her.

I do agree with your point about ice under the snow, that is a wicked combo, 
fortunately rare in Wisconsin.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD

Tim C  wrote:

>On Nov 2, 2012 5:33 PM, "Mitch Haley" @
>voyager.net > wrote:
>>
>> Max Dillon wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, that's quite sobering.  Reminds me why I don't drive when it
>snows
>here.
>>
>>
>> My brother hated winter driving in Virginia because the other drivers
>were scary in snow.
>
>In the Cary, NC the people who get stuck in the winter weather are the
>overconfident northerners.  Three issues:
>1) We have some serious hills.  This especially bothers New York
>City/Jersey expats for some reason.
>2) When it snows, the ground is almost always above freezing, and we
>usually have rain before snow.  The base becomes ice as the temperature
>drops if the water isn't moving; in newer cities with marginal drainage
>this means thick ice in random places.  When it starts cold and there
>is
>snow it is "normal" (versus Pennsylvania at least) and relatively easy
>to
>navigate, but that is very rare here in the center of the state.
>3) A southern snow plow comes individually wrapped (I think you
>northerners
>call it a "shovel", but for some reason I never saw the point).  Salt
>is
>something that we use on our food, and anyway our trucks are built to
>not
>drop stuff everywhere.  Thus, real southerners utilize technology to do
>their work from home, while their Boston-hailing bosses wait for the
>tow
>truck in the cold. (BTDT...)
>
>In the last real snow storm there were many stories of folks getting
>half
>way up a hill and then sliding back into a pile of cars and SUVs.  No
>doubt
>there are some good YouTubes of it.  Cary being Cary remember that half
>the
>people are from north of the Mason-Dixon and the other half are from
>India.
>
>Moral of the story, "physics don' care who you is."
>
>Best,
>Tim
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Re: [MBZ] 1986 Volvo Diesel sedan (Hunt)

2012-11-02 Thread Dieselhead


26 years of being a volvo with a vw engine?



Michael Canfield wrote:


http://rochester.craigslist.org/cto/3376031318.html


"Its a diesel and it does smoke at an idle. This is diesel smoke, 
not oil. The engine is running a bit rich, but this is improving as 
I drive it. It was awful when I first bought it."


26 years worth of deferred Italian Tuneups?

Mitch.



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Re: [MBZ] 1986 Volvo Diesel sedan (Hunt)

Ugh, looks like a Buick.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD

Mitch Haley  wrote:

>Michael Canfield wrote:
>
>> http://rochester.craigslist.org/cto/3376031318.html
>
>"Its a diesel and it does smoke at an idle. This is diesel smoke, not
>oil. The 
>engine is running a bit rich, but this is improving as I drive it. It
>was awful 
>when I first bought it."
>
>26 years worth of deferred Italian Tuneups?
>
>Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Part numbers

2012-11-02 Thread Mountain Man

Rusty wrote:
> Is this good for me or bad for me? Remember, I do not make parts, I sell 
> them. I can get any GENUINE MERCEDES part to you for less than ANYONE else in 
> the US. ANYONE. Make a note. I only have 36 years experience. I am a rookie.
>

I meant my comment as blessing for us, and as good for you - you know
parts better than anyone.
Sorry my comment did not come thru more clearly...
mao

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Re: [MBZ] 1986 Volvo Diesel sedan (Hunt)

That's what I figured.  Probably a good Diesel-purge treatment would help a
lot.

Mike
On Nov 2, 2012 9:20 PM, "Mitch Haley"  wrote:

> Michael Canfield wrote:
>
>  
> http://rochester.craigslist.**org/cto/3376031318.html
>>
>
> "Its a diesel and it does smoke at an idle. This is diesel smoke, not oil.
> The engine is running a bit rich, but this is improving as I drive it. It
> was awful when I first bought it."
>
> 26 years worth of deferred Italian Tuneups?
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] 1986 Volvo Diesel sedan (Hunt)


Michael Canfield wrote:


http://rochester.craigslist.org/cto/3376031318.html


"Its a diesel and it does smoke at an idle. This is diesel smoke, not oil. The 
engine is running a bit rich, but this is improving as I drive it. It was awful 
when I first bought it."


26 years worth of deferred Italian Tuneups?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] my 240D mostly rust repair blog

2012-11-02 Thread Dimitri Seretakis

Thanks!  I taught myself.  Basically bought a welder 17 yrs ago to repair some 
rust. Struggled for a while but figured it out with some practice.  The welding 
is the easy part, although butt welding sheetmetal takes some practice so as 
not to burn through. Patch panel fabrication is where the real skill is 
needed.  I learned from books early on and just practiced.
I use a MIG welder with shielding gas (Lincoln Weldpack 100).  It's a small 
110V machine.  I don't need the power of 220 as I'm primarily welding 
sheetmetal.

I didn't replace the door for a few reasons:

1. I like to keep as much original sheetmetal and paint on my cars as 
possible.  This is totally silly, impractical, and irrational but I can't help 
myself.  I'm not dealing with a rare Bugatti Atlantic coupe here but again it's 
my impractical side that controls my actions here.
2. The patch cost $5 and the door $50.  

3. The door had power windows, whereas mine doesn't which meant swapping out 
all that stuff- probably less work than splicing in a patch though!
4.  I'm always up for a metalworking challenge!

 From: Randy Bennell 
To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] my 240D mostly rust repair blog

On 01/11/2012 6:45 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
> Well that didn't work.  I'll try again:
>   I created this blog to document repair to my cars-mostly rust repairs.  The 
>hood repair you've seen.  My most recent posts document another door repair.  
>Enjoy and please post comment on the blog to demonstrate activity.
>   http://stricht8.wordpress.com
> 
> 
> 
> From: Dimitri Seretakis 
> 
> 
Actually your first post worked fine too.

In any event, I had a look at your blog.
You do very nice work.
Did you teach yourself to weld or did you take some lessons?
What sort of welder are you using?

Why did you elect to repair the door rather than just acquire the one at the 
junk yard and swap it onto the car.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] drive safe this winter

2012-11-02 Thread Rich Thomas


In the suthrun states, snow is a solvent on the glue of society.

--R

On 11/2/12 8:03 PM, Max Dillon wrote:

Exactly, I learned to drive in northern Wisconsin snow, and I mean out in the 
country deep snow and ice.  Down here it's all the other drivers that terrify 
me.




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[MBZ] 1986 Volvo Diesel sedan (Hunt)

Looks like a nice car for someonne into Volvos

1986 Volvo 740 Turbo Diesel sedan, medium blue, In virtually 'Like New
Condition'. The mileage is 64,xxx . Tires are about 50%. This car belonged
to the proverbial old person who only drove it to the grocery and then put
it in the garage. I don't t [...]

http://rochester.craigslist.org/cto/3376031318.html

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Re: [MBZ] drive safe this winter

2012-11-02 Thread Tim C

On Nov 2, 2012 8:03 PM, "Max Dillon"  wrote:
>
> Exactly, I learned to drive in northern Wisconsin snow, and I mean out in
the country deep snow and ice.  Down here it's all the other drivers that
terrify me.

Both my parents learned to drive in Pennsylvania, but my mother is
downright chaotic in snow and my father has logged several ice accidents
(admittedly out of an awful lot of driving, he commuted to Michigan from
Georgia for many years).  I can drive up north with no problem, but the
slip and slide here makes me want to stay home.  Fortunately I work in an
industry where that's possible.

Best,
Tim

> --
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> Charleston SC
> '95 E300
> '87 300TD
>
> Mitch Haley  wrote:
>
> >Max Dillon wrote:
> >> Yes, that's quite sobering.  Reminds me why I don't drive when it
> >snows here.
> >
> >My brother hated winter driving in Virginia because the other drivers
> >were scary
> >in snow.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] drive safe this winter

2012-11-02 Thread Tim C

On Nov 2, 2012 8:15 PM, "Tim C"  wrote:
> cars and SUVs.  No doubt there are some good YouTubes of it.

Or not.  Sheesh, a few years ago we had a snow storm where the kids got
stuck in the schools overnight because all the roads got closed for wrecks,
and all I can find on YouTube are Hendrick ads.  Sad.

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Re: [MBZ] drive safe this winter

2012-11-02 Thread Tim C

On Nov 2, 2012 5:33 PM, "Mitch Haley" @
voyager.net > wrote:
>
> Max Dillon wrote:
>>
>> Yes, that's quite sobering.  Reminds me why I don't drive when it snows
here.
>
>
> My brother hated winter driving in Virginia because the other drivers
were scary in snow.

In the Cary, NC the people who get stuck in the winter weather are the
overconfident northerners.  Three issues:
1) We have some serious hills.  This especially bothers New York
City/Jersey expats for some reason.
2) When it snows, the ground is almost always above freezing, and we
usually have rain before snow.  The base becomes ice as the temperature
drops if the water isn't moving; in newer cities with marginal drainage
this means thick ice in random places.  When it starts cold and there is
snow it is "normal" (versus Pennsylvania at least) and relatively easy to
navigate, but that is very rare here in the center of the state.
3) A southern snow plow comes individually wrapped (I think you northerners
call it a "shovel", but for some reason I never saw the point).  Salt is
something that we use on our food, and anyway our trucks are built to not
drop stuff everywhere.  Thus, real southerners utilize technology to do
their work from home, while their Boston-hailing bosses wait for the tow
truck in the cold. (BTDT...)

In the last real snow storm there were many stories of folks getting half
way up a hill and then sliding back into a pile of cars and SUVs.  No doubt
there are some good YouTubes of it.  Cary being Cary remember that half the
people are from north of the Mason-Dixon and the other half are from India.

Moral of the story, "physics don' care who you is."

Best,
Tim
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Re: [MBZ] drive safe this winter

Exactly, I learned to drive in northern Wisconsin snow, and I mean out in the 
country deep snow and ice.  Down here it's all the other drivers that terrify 
me.

-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD

Mitch Haley  wrote:

>Max Dillon wrote:
>> Yes, that's quite sobering.  Reminds me why I don't drive when it
>snows here.
>
>My brother hated winter driving in Virginia because the other drivers
>were scary 
>in snow.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Porch driver more money than sense


Gerry Archer wrote:

I want one.

http://www.treehugger.com/cars/volkswagen-to-make-limited-edition-of-1-liter-car-282-mpg-in-2010.html 


I forgot about the Shell Challenges of the 1970s:
http://www.treehugger.com/cars/souped-down-1959-opel-t-1-gets-37659-mpg.html

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Re: [MBZ] OT Porch driver more money than sense

2012-11-02 Thread Gerry Archer


Gerry Archer wrote:

It was either Lancia or Alfa Romeo that had a center driver car during
the '50s-'60s at an auto show IIRC.  Doubt it was ever put into
production. Seem to remember it being three across.


VW's One Litre car has central seating front and rear.
(one litre of diesel per 100 km)
Mitch.


I want one.

http://www.treehugger.com/cars/volkswagen-to-make-limited-edition-of-1-liter-car-282-mpg-in-2010.html

Gerry


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Re: [MBZ] OT Porch driver more money than sense


Gerry Archer wrote:
It was either Lancia or Alfa Romeo that had a center driver car during 
the '50s-'60s at an auto show IIRC.  Doubt it was ever put into 
production. Seem to remember it being three across.


VW's One Litre car has central seating front and rear.

(one litre of diesel per 100 km)

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Porch driver more money than sense

2012-11-02 Thread Gerry Archer

It was either Lancia or Alfa Romeo that had a center driver car during the 
'50s-'60s at an auto show IIRC.  Doubt it was ever put into production. 
Seem to remember it being three across.

Gerry

From: "Michael Canfield" 

Anyone that has ever driven a fast , center seat vehicle from a go kart to
an f1 car can appreciate the reasoning behind it.  That has got to be a
serious blast to drive!

Mike
On Nov 2, 2012 11:36 AM, "Rich Thomas" 


wrote:


http://www.wired.com/autopia/**2012/11/porsche-center-wheel

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Re: [MBZ] drive safe this winter


Max Dillon wrote:

Yes, that's quite sobering.  Reminds me why I don't drive when it snows here.


My brother hated winter driving in Virginia because the other drivers were scary 
in snow.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] drive safe this winter

Yes, that's quite sobering.  Reminds me why I don't drive when it snows here.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD

Rick Knoble  wrote:

>On Nov 2, 2012, at 12:59 PM, "Mitch Haley"  wrote:
>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFkw5JFOmHk
>
>
>Well that was disturbing. Dash cams must be popular across the big
>pond. 
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Porch driver more money than sense

Anyone that has ever driven a fast , center seat vehicle from a go kart to
an f1 car can appreciate the reasoning behind it.  That has got to be a
serious blast to drive!

Mike
On Nov 2, 2012 11:36 AM, "Rich Thomas" 
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Re: [MBZ] my 240D mostly rust repair blog

2012-11-02 Thread Randy Bennell


On 01/11/2012 6:45 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

Well that didn't work.  I'll try again:
  
I created this blog to document repair to my cars-mostly rust repairs.  The hood repair you've seen.  My most recent posts document another door repair.  Enjoy and please post comment on the blog to demonstrate activity.
  
http://stricht8.wordpress.com




From: Dimitri Seretakis 



Actually your first post worked fine too.

In any event, I had a look at your blog.
You do very nice work.
Did you teach yourself to weld or did you take some lessons?
What sort of welder are you using?

Why did you elect to repair the door rather than just acquire the one at 
the junk yard and swap it onto the car.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] drive safe this winter

2012-11-02 Thread Rick Knoble

On Nov 2, 2012, at 12:59 PM, "Mitch Haley"  wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFkw5JFOmHk


Well that was disturbing. Dash cams must be popular across the big pond. 

Rick
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[MBZ] drive safe this winter


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFkw5JFOmHk

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Re: [MBZ] OT Porch driver more money than sense

2012-11-02 Thread Randy Bennell


On 02/11/2012 11:29 AM, G Mann wrote:

I see the need for a new category to stand alongside the Darwin Awards.
Perhaps "The more money than brains" Award Not "snappy enough" as a
title... any suggestions?

Certainly, such expenditure of time and treasure for so little practical
appeal should be awarded something "special"..

Just a thought.

Grant...

On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 8:35 AM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:


http://www.wired.com/autopia/**2012/11/porsche-center-wheel

--R



Well, I suggest that is unfair.
It is not unlike the folks who spend an arm and a leg to customize some 
old 57 Chevy or whatever.

This fellow just has deeper pockets and wants a unique car.
If he sends it around to car shows, he may even earn his money back over 
time.


Randy who sometimes invests more in vehicles than they are worth

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Re: [MBZ] OT Porch driver more money than sense


WILTON wrote:

So, is it a one-person car?


Three seater.
The original is a two person car with seating for two grocery bags in the rear.
This one is supposed to seat two people in the back without front seats in the 
way of their legs.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Porch driver more money than sense

2012-11-02 Thread WILTON


So, is it a one-person car?

Wilton

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http://www.wired.com/autopia/2012/11/porsche-center-wheel

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Re: [MBZ] OT Porch driver more money than sense

2012-11-02 Thread G Mann

I see the need for a new category to stand alongside the Darwin Awards.
Perhaps "The more money than brains" Award Not "snappy enough" as a
title... any suggestions?

Certainly, such expenditure of time and treasure for so little practical
appeal should be awarded something "special"..

Just a thought.

Grant...

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richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

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[MBZ] OT Porch driver more money than sense

2012-11-02 Thread Rich Thomas


http://www.wired.com/autopia/2012/11/porsche-center-wheel

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Re: [MBZ] Hurricane update from Northern NJ


WILTON wrote:

Any builder I ever hired was working for ME.



Yep. Even if it's a speculative house that was under construction when I bought 
it, if the windows weren't already on the job site they'd order them to my spec 
(in the sizes they'd already framed for so no extra work for them) and I'd pay 
the difference, or I'd buy elsewhere.


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Re: [MBZ] Hurricane update from Northern NJ

2012-11-02 Thread WILTON

Any builder I ever hired was working for ME.

Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hurricane update from Northern NJ

Dan Penoff wrote:

The one thing I always thought was peculiar was all of the attention
to the roof decking and trusses, yet they continue to use aluminum
framed single glazed windows. When we built our last house down here
we wanted double pane windows for noise and energy efficiency, and the
builder wouldn't do it. Strange.

I wonder what he'd say if you fired him for that.
I'd dump a builder rather than take single pane, high solar gain windows 
in Tampa, even if it meant finding another lot in another subdivision if 
the builder owned the lot I wanted.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 240D Water Separtator, I believe

Not really, unless you have issues with lousy fuel suppliers.

I would leave it off, myself. It's overkill and just adds to the complexity of 
the system.

Dan

On Nov 2, 2012, at 10:09 AM, Bob Rentfro  wrote:

> This is what I have under the hood. Is there any benifit to placing this
> back into service?
> 
> http://www.google.com/imgres?um=1&hl=en&qscrl=1&rlz=1T4TSNO_enUS473US474&authuser=0&biw=1463&bih=680&tbm=isch&tbnid=OejpwZrBqwLg6M:&imgrefurl=http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/282148-should-i-remove-my-water-separator.html&docid=2XCRSwof1dqW_M&imgurl=http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/attachments/diesel-discussion/83267d1280768847-should-i-remove-my-water-separator-dsc_0260.jpg&w=800&h=536&ei=8dKTUN2yE8jk2AXh7YDABQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=515&vpy=152&dur=6553&hovh=184&hovw=274&tx=128&ty=203&sig=116616636922872406979&page=1&tbnh=134&tbnw=195&start=0&ndsp=22&ved=1t:429,i:74
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Re: [MBZ] Part numbers

2012-11-02 Thread Rusty Cullens

I don't have any "real" pictures to compare but I can say that in the EPC
the illustrations are similar but not exactly the same. The part description
is exactly the same, 3/2 way valve. I don't know if this helps or not.

Rusty Cullens
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Q wrote:
> I can tell you
> that it is made by MTC which is a well known aftermarket company and 
> not Genuine Mercedes.

> It would definitely be a Genuine
> Mercedes item and I sell it for $68.00.

And...
Folks - this is why our list sponsor is loved.
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Replacements were supplied, which we glued and hope will be good for a
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You don't see pictures of these part numbers to compare?
Thanks.
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[MBZ] 240D Water Separtator, I believe

2012-11-02 Thread Bob Rentfro

This is what I have under the hood. Is there any benifit to placing this
back into service?

http://www.google.com/imgres?um=1&hl=en&qscrl=1&rlz=1T4TSNO_enUS473US474&authuser=0&biw=1463&bih=680&tbm=isch&tbnid=OejpwZrBqwLg6M:&imgrefurl=http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/282148-should-i-remove-my-water-separator.html&docid=2XCRSwof1dqW_M&imgurl=http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/attachments/diesel-discussion/83267d1280768847-should-i-remove-my-water-separator-dsc_0260.jpg&w=800&h=536&ei=8dKTUN2yE8jk2AXh7YDABQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=515&vpy=152&dur=6553&hovh=184&hovw=274&tx=128&ty=203&sig=116616636922872406979&page=1&tbnh=134&tbnw=195&start=0&ndsp=22&ved=1t:429,i:74

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Re: [MBZ] Fuel Return Lines

2012-11-02 Thread Bob Rentfro

I found about a meter of proper return line packed away in another box I
had labeled "W123". It was almost like Christmas.

Bob R
On Nov 2, 2012 6:12 AM, "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> You can use flaps vacuum hose for a few days until the order from Q gets
> in.  Changing the return lines is a biennial (or annual) routine
> maintenance item.  #2D or BioD doesn't make much difference in my
> experience.  However, the BioD i used has the methanol recovered. Just
> because bioD comes from a big plant does NOT mean that the methanol was
> recovered properly.
>
> The vacuum hose won't last long, but it will hold until the real stuff
> gets there.
>
>  Will I get it tomorrow?
>> On Nov 1, 2012 10:05 AM, "Rusty Cullens"  wrote:
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Hurricane update from Northern NJ

Here they use concrete block construction for nearly all residential 
construction. There is rebar that is tied to the footers, which is then tied to 
rebar laid in a gutter across the top of the walls, which is then grouted after 
the roof straps are tied to the rebar in the gutters.

This makes everything tie together from the footers to the roof joists. You 
might lose roof decking, but nothing else will go unless the walls come down.

At that point all bets are off.

My house has minimal exposure, thankfully, as there are a few windows and the 
big ones and the sliders in back are all recessed under large roof overhangs. 
The biggest risk is from airborne debris, so that helps to keep it away.

Now if I could just do something about the 80 foot oak tree behind the house...

Dan

On Nov 2, 2012, at 9:38 AM, Rich Thomas  
wrote:

> There are different kinds of windows.  I put in Anderson windows in my 
> addition that are sorta intermediate storm types -- they have tabs on the 
> frames to hold the sashes in but are not impact resistant for hurricanes, 
> etc.  Those windows are really expensive but the higher end houses over on 
> the barrier islands tend to use them and obviate the need for storm shutters 
> (perhaps).
> 
> Interestingly, the fire dept says that unless there is life in danger they 
> will pretty much watch a "hurricane" house burn, and keep those nearby hosed 
> down, as with the hurricane windows, metal roofs, and Hardie siding they 
> cannot break into walls or roofs or windows to put water on a fire. Saw some 
> article somewhere a day or two ago of someone saying they were astounded that 
> the houses on the shore up in NJ did not have shutters on the windows, that 
> might be the reason.
> 
> As far as strapping -- in Houston (and maybe the rest of TX along the coast) 
> the strapping had to run from the sill up over to the roof for single story 
> houses, not sure about 2 story but there are strap requirements there too.  
> Here along the coast in SC the straps just need to tie the walls to the sill, 
> run up a bit on the wall studs.
> 
> --R
> 
> On 11/2/12 9:22 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:
>> It's interesting that the main change was in strapping and things as
>> simple as nailing schedules and decking clips.
>> 
>> There are also issues with end gables and their construction as well,
>> but I don't recall the exact details.
>> 
>> The changes are ongoing, and have been modified almost constantly
>> since the mid 90s.
>> 
>> The one thing I always thought was peculiar was all of the attention
>> to the roof decking and trusses, yet they continue to use aluminum
>> framed single glazed windows. When we built our last house down here
>> we wanted double pane windows for noise and energy efficiency, and the
>> builder wouldn't do it. Strange.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> On Nov 2, 2012, at 9:07 AM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> The changes in building code are interesting to me.   30+ years ago, when I 
>>> put up roof trusses, I used the 1" or 3/4" steel strapping that came with 
>>> the lumber to cut into 18" strips that I used to tie each end of the truss 
>>> down to the wall.  It is interesting to me in that the code became 
>>> essentially the same thing except that the code is mild steel, where I was 
>>> using tempered steel.  I saw it as recycling waste into making the  
>>> building safer.  Back then we didn't have truss nails so I used roofing 
>>> nails to fasten the straps to the wood so that the force was shear force on 
>>> the nail.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 We are fortunate to live in a newer area, in which all of the hurricane 
 codes resulting from Andrew were in place. As a result, when the three 
 hurricanes passed through in the early 2000s, the interruption, if any, 
 was minimal. It's amazing how little the changes were in residential 
 construction and how much difference they made in the integrity of the 
 homes built with the revised hurricane codes.
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Re: [MBZ] Hurricane update from Northern NJ

It was a spec house, not a custom builder. Not a lot you can do in that 
situation.

We made them crazy, so much so that they banned us from the job site near the 
end. Every day we walked through the house and wrote up any deficiencies. They 
had these little carbon less forms for this stuff, and we did it so much they 
finally just gave us a box if them.

Sadly, most of what we wrote up was nothing more than compliance issues. I 
could write a book on the shoddy construction practices of this builder. The 
sad part was that they were one of the better ones in town.

This was at the beginning of the housing boom down here, and places were being 
flung up so fast and so poorly it was scary. We did nothing more than hold them 
to their own specs, which most of their subs didn't know.

What's even scarier were the people who bought inventory homes or never visited 
the job site when their home was being built. Those places are starting to 
really show their age and the poor construction, and they're not even 20 years 
old.

Dan

On Nov 2, 2012, at 10:27 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Dan Penoff wrote:
> 
>> The one thing I always thought was peculiar was all of the attention
>> to the roof decking and trusses, yet they continue to use aluminum
>> framed single glazed windows. When we built our last house down here
>> we wanted double pane windows for noise and energy efficiency, and the
>> builder wouldn't do it. Strange.
> 
> I wonder what he'd say if you fired him for that.
> I'd dump a builder rather than take single pane, high solar gain windows in 
> Tampa, even if it meant finding another lot in another subdivision if the 
> builder owned the lot I wanted.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Hurricane update from Northern NJ

2012-11-02 Thread Rich Thomas

There are different kinds of windows. I put in Anderson windows in my
addition that are sorta intermediate storm types -- they have tabs on
the frames to hold the sashes in but are not impact resistant for
hurricanes, etc. Those windows are really expensive but the higher end
houses over on the barrier islands tend to use them and obviate the need
for storm shutters (perhaps).

Interestingly, the fire dept says that unless there is life in danger
they will pretty much watch a "hurricane" house burn, and keep those
nearby hosed down, as with the hurricane windows, metal roofs, and
Hardie siding they cannot break into walls or roofs or windows to put
water on a fire. Saw some article somewhere a day or two ago of someone
saying they were astounded that the houses on the shore up in NJ did not
have shutters on the windows, that might be the reason.

As far as strapping -- in Houston (and maybe the rest of TX along the
coast) the strapping had to run from the sill up over to the roof for
single story houses, not sure about 2 story but there are strap
requirements there too. Here along the coast in SC the straps just need
to tie the walls to the sill, run up a bit on the wall studs.

--R

On 11/2/12 9:22 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:

It's interesting that the main change was in strapping and things as
simple as nailing schedules and decking clips.

There are also issues with end gables and their construction as well,
but I don't recall the exact details.

The changes are ongoing, and have been modified almost constantly
since the mid 90s.

The one thing I always thought was peculiar was all of the attention
to the roof decking and trusses, yet they continue to use aluminum
framed single glazed windows. When we built our last house down here
we wanted double pane windows for noise and energy efficiency, and the
builder wouldn't do it. Strange.

Dan

On Nov 2, 2012, at 9:07 AM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

The changes in building code are interesting to me. 30+ years ago, when I put up roof
trusses, I used the 1" or 3/4" steel strapping that came with the lumber to cut into
18" strips that I used to tie each end of the truss down to the wall. It is interesting
to me in that the code became essentially the same thing except that the code is mild steel,
where I was using tempered steel. I saw it as recycling waste into making the building
safer. Back then we didn't have truss nails so I used roofing nails to fasten the straps to
the wood so that the force was shear force on the nail.

We are fortunate to live in a newer area, in which all of the hurricane codes
resulting from Andrew were in place. As a result, when the three hurricanes
passed through in the early 2000s, the interruption, if any, was minimal. It's
amazing how little the changes were in residential construction and how much
difference they made in the integrity of the homes built with the revised
hurricane codes.

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Re: [MBZ] Hurricane update from Northern NJ


Dan Penoff wrote:


The one thing I always thought was peculiar was all of the attention
to the roof decking and trusses, yet they continue to use aluminum
framed single glazed windows. When we built our last house down here
we wanted double pane windows for noise and energy efficiency, and the
builder wouldn't do it. Strange.


I wonder what he'd say if you fired him for that.
I'd dump a builder rather than take single pane, high solar gain windows in 
Tampa, even if it meant finding another lot in another subdivision if the 
builder owned the lot I wanted.


Mitch.

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