Re: [MBZ] drive safe this winter with a camera on the dash

[clay monroe]

The new cars come with tracking devices in the computer system.  Insurance 
fellow comes out to see your car and plugs his laptop in.  Downloads all sorts 
of data they then use to argue you are at fault so as not to pay up.  The 
camera is a nice addition to refute or at least have something to post on the 
youtubes

clay


On Nov 3, 2012, at 8:46 PM, G Mann wrote:

> I've been looking at them and find several that have both front and rear
> facing cameras, both with GPS . speed information, time date stamp, etc
> recorded to a hard drive with hours of time available. Seems to me, it
> could be very handy to have, presuming you drive safely.
> 
> If you speed or violate road laws, may not be so "handy" .
> 
> One demo video I saw had a camera out the drivers window recording a police
> officer as he did his stop. Hm...
> 
> We live in a complicated world, I suppose the camera could also be slaved
> into the alarm system as well, with motion triggers to "camera up" .
> 
> Just a thought.
> Grant...
> 
> On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Hendrik & Fay wrote:
> 
>> Dash cams are becoming more popular, as the cost of them drops and are
>> handy in case of an accident.
>> Particularly with truck drivers, as they are usually assumed to be in the
>> wrong.
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=xzxHvZaOLgUin
>>  this case it would be easy enough for the car driver to say that the
>> truck crossed the line.
>> 
>> Hendrik
>> who does not have dash cam...yet
>> 
>> On 03/11/12 05:30, Rick Knoble wrote:
>> 
>>> On Nov 2, 2012, at 12:59 PM, "Mitch Haley"  wrote:
>>> 
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=oFkw5JFOmHk
 
>>> 
>>> Well that was disturbing. Dash cams must be popular across the big pond.
>>> 
>>> Rick
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Todays job

[Gerry Archer]

I've had good experience with Trane.  One relay replaced.  After 15 years, 
heat pump model is still cooling well.  Dealer said Trane uses "off the 
shelf" parts, so Tranes are cheaper to repair.

Gerry


In RE: Carrier and Goodman:
Goodman is good, cheap stuff.
Maybe thinner cabinet metal and louder operation, but performs as well and 
lasts as long as more expensive brands, assuming they are both installed 
correctly.
The main problem with Goodman is they'll let their distributors sell their 
stuff to anybody, even me, so you're more likely to see a botched job with 
Goodman equipment in it.

Carrier is not the "gold standard" IMO.
Trane is.
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] drive safe this winter with a camera on the dash

[G Mann]

I've been looking at them and find several that have both front and rear
facing cameras, both with GPS . speed information, time date stamp, etc
recorded to a hard drive with hours of time available. Seems to me, it
could be very handy to have, presuming you drive safely.

If you speed or violate road laws, may not be so "handy" .

One demo video I saw had a camera out the drivers window recording a police
officer as he did his stop. Hm...

We live in a complicated world, I suppose the camera could also be slaved
into the alarm system as well, with motion triggers to "camera up" .

Just a thought.
Grant...

On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Hendrik & Fay wrote:

> Dash cams are becoming more popular, as the cost of them drops and are
> handy in case of an accident.
> Particularly with truck drivers, as they are usually assumed to be in the
> wrong.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=xzxHvZaOLgUin
>  this case it would be easy enough for the car driver to say that the
> truck crossed the line.
>
> Hendrik
> who does not have dash cam...yet
>
> On 03/11/12 05:30, Rick Knoble wrote:
>
>> On Nov 2, 2012, at 12:59 PM, "Mitch Haley"  wrote:
>>
>>  
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=oFkw5JFOmHk
>>>
>>
>> Well that was disturbing. Dash cams must be popular across the big pond.
>>
>> Rick
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: [MBZ] 240V

[G Mann]

Also, keep your cell phone charged and with you at all times and write your
insurance agents number in ink on your arm... but.. go ahead... the Darwin
Awards are always accepting new applications...;) Code books are
cheapsuggest you want to own one.

Grant...

On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 3:29 PM,  wrote:

> > ...Is it OK to run a 240v device on a 25 amp breaker through two parallel
> > 14-2 NM
> > romex instead of one 10-2 NM?..
> >
> Just place a smoke detector nearby.
>
> RLE
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Todays job

[Mitch Haley]

Mitch Haley wrote:

The guys on HVAC-Talk bemoan the fact that there are no really good 
thermostatic expansion valves (TXVs) on the market now. 


Hmm, maybe not everybody says that.
Here they seem to be saying that idiot technicians kill TXVs:
http://hvac-talk.com/vbb/archive/index.php/t-150941.html

Somebody on that thread also says that the Parker TXVs used by Goodman are some 
of the better ones.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] drive safe this winter with a camera on the dash

[Hendrik & Fay]

Dash cams are becoming more popular, as the cost of them drops and are 
handy in case of an accident.
Particularly with truck drivers, as they are usually assumed to be in 
the wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzxHvZaOLgU in this case it would be 
easy enough for the car driver to say that the truck crossed the line.


Hendrik
who does not have dash cam...yet

On 03/11/12 05:30, Rick Knoble wrote:

On Nov 2, 2012, at 12:59 PM, "Mitch Haley"  wrote:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFkw5JFOmHk


Well that was disturbing. Dash cams must be popular across the big pond.

Rick
Sent from my iPhone






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Re: [MBZ] Todays job

[Mitch Haley]

Tim C wrote:

On Nov 3, 2012 1:20 PM, "John Reames" @
comcast.net > wrote:

Depends on whether you own 'em or service 'em.


A colleague frustrated the Goodman service guy, when a new valve failed
under warranty... three times. (That is, two defective "new" valves direct
from Goodman.)  The problem wasn't replacing the valve, of course, but that
all the R134a leaked out and the service guy had to eat it.


The guys on HVAC-Talk bemoan the fact that there are no really good thermostatic 
expansion valves (TXVs) on the market now. I think there are two manufacturers 
left, and neither one is putting out really good valves. One of them had a run 
of really bad valves a while back, it didn't matter what brand of equipment you 
were putting them in. If you stuck a bad valve in it the bad valve would fail.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Todays job

[Mitch Haley]

Dan Penoff wrote:

Sorry.

Liebert is essentially the "gold standard" in the raised floor computer 
room/server farm environmental and electrical infrastructure.  They make chillers and UPS 
systems that are probably used in 90% of the computer rooms in corporate America, if not 
worldwide.

Stulz, well, suffice to say they're sort of the Yugo of the market, I guess.  I 
don't know much about them, as I've never seen any of their equipment, but I 
have heard stories.


In RE: Carrier and Goodman:

Goodman is good, cheap stuff.
Maybe thinner cabinet metal and louder operation, but performs as well and lasts 
as long as more expensive brands, assuming they are both installed correctly.
The main problem with Goodman is they'll let their distributors sell their stuff 
to anybody, even me, so you're more likely to see a botched job with Goodman 
equipment in it.


Carrier is not the "gold standard" IMO.
Trane is.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Todays job

[Tim C]

On Nov 3, 2012 1:20 PM, "John Reames" @
comcast.net > wrote:
>
> Depends on whether you own 'em or service 'em.

A colleague frustrated the Goodman service guy, when a new valve failed
under warranty... three times. (That is, two defective "new" valves direct
from Goodman.)  The problem wasn't replacing the valve, of course, but that
all the R134a leaked out and the service guy had to eat it.

He (tech) said he wasn't going to warranty his labor/service on Goodman
parts anymore.

That said the colleague got five plus years without any trouble or
maintenance so...

Best,
Tim
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Re: [MBZ] Todays job

[Max Dillon]

I certainly do have THE permit that counts, signed by SWMBO!!
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD

WILTON  wrote:

>'Nother ATTABOY!
>I helped a heating/cooling technician/installer friend in Warner
>Robins, GA, 
>install several heat pumps in '67/'68.  When I moved to Raleigh in Jun
>'68, 
>I bought a house that had gas-fired forced warm air heating system but
>did 
>not have cooling.  'Friend in GA ordered cooling equipment from his 
>wholesaler/supplier in Atlanta for me, and they shipped it to me.  Week
>or 
>so later, friend came to visit for weekend; he and I installed the
>equipment 
>on Sat.  Years later, here in Goldsboro after I retired from AF 31
>years 
>ago, I bought a house to "flip;" it had electric resistance heating in 
>ceiling and no cooling system.  I ordered heat pump from
>wholesaler/supplier 
>in Atlanta and installed it myself.  Also added bathroom and did bunch
>of 
>other stuff to the house.  BTW, 'don't remember getting permit for
>them.
>
>Wilton
>
>- Original Message - 
>From: "Max Dillon" 
>To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 1:33 PM
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] Todays job
>
>
>> Ah, well given that the going local rate is $5k installed, if DIY
>lasts 
>> about ten years, I'll be happy.  I paid $1600 for this unit.
>> -- 
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> '95 E300
>> '87 300TD
>>
>> John Reames  wrote:
>>
>>>Depends on whether you own 'em or service 'em.
>>>
>>>--
>>>John W Reames
>>>jream...@verizon.net
>>>Home: +14106646986
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>>>
>>>On Nov 3, 2012, at 12:36, Max Dillon 
>wrote:
>>>
 Also not tracking your comparison with Carrier, is that good or
>bad?
 -- 
 Max Dillon
 Charleston SC
 '95 E300
 '87 300TD

 John Reames  wrote:

> Joy! Is it a DX unit or a package unit? (I'm presuming DX with
> pre-charged lines?)
>
> I've heard that goodman is to carrier as stulz is to liebert.
>
>
> --
> John W Reames
> jream...@verizon.net
> Home: +14106646986
> Mobile: +14437915905
>
> On Nov 3, 2012, at 10:09, Max Dillon 
>>>wrote:
>
>> Install a new heat pump and air handler for our downstairs,
>>>replacing
> dead Carrier unit which is 18 years old.  Goodman unit going in.
> Toughest part will be all the connections to the air handler,
>>>working
> in a crawl space.
>> -- 
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> '95 E300
>> '87 300TD
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Re: [MBZ] Todays job

[Max Dillon]

You're way ahead of me, haven't a clue who either are, guess I need to let 
Google educate me...
-- 
Max Dillon, clueless
Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD

Dan Penoff  wrote:

>Stulz compared to Liebert?
>
>
>
>Just caught that
>
>Dan
>
>
>
 Also not tracking your comparison with Carrier, is that good or
>bad?
 -- 
 Max Dillon
 Charleston SC
 '95 E300
 '87 300TD
 
 John Reames  wrote:
 
> Joy! Is it a DX unit or a package unit? (I'm presuming DX with
> pre-charged lines?)
> 
> I've heard that goodman is to carrier as stulz is to liebert.
> 
> 
> --
> John W Reames
> jream...@verizon.net
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> Mobile: +14437915905
> 
>
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Re: [MBZ] 240V

[RELNGSON]

> ...Is it OK to run a 240v device on a 25 amp breaker through two parallel 
> 14-2 NM
> romex instead of one 10-2 NM?..
> 
Just place a smoke detector nearby.

RLE 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] drive safe this winter

[WILTON]

'Just asked Grndson if he were there on Franklin St. this Halloween; yes, he 
was.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Tim C" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] drive safe this winter



On Nov 3, 2012 10:52 AM, "Dan Penoff"  wrote:


Not a good place for peace and quiet, as she discovered on Halloween

night.

All three local universities (total almost 90k students) celebrate
Halloween on Franklin Street.  That should not be considered 
representative

of the Chapel Hill experience. ;)

Best,
Tim
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Re: [MBZ] Todays job

[WILTON]

'Nother ATTABOY!
I helped a heating/cooling technician/installer friend in Warner Robins, GA, 
install several heat pumps in '67/'68.  When I moved to Raleigh in Jun '68, 
I bought a house that had gas-fired forced warm air heating system but did 
not have cooling.  'Friend in GA ordered cooling equipment from his 
wholesaler/supplier in Atlanta for me, and they shipped it to me.  Week or 
so later, friend came to visit for weekend; he and I installed the equipment 
on Sat.  Years later, here in Goldsboro after I retired from AF 31 years 
ago, I bought a house to "flip;" it had electric resistance heating in 
ceiling and no cooling system.  I ordered heat pump from wholesaler/supplier 
in Atlanta and installed it myself.  Also added bathroom and did bunch of 
other stuff to the house.  BTW, 'don't remember getting permit for them.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Max Dillon" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Todays job


Ah, well given that the going local rate is $5k installed, if DIY lasts 
about ten years, I'll be happy.  I paid $1600 for this unit.

--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD

John Reames  wrote:


Depends on whether you own 'em or service 'em.

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jream...@verizon.net
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On Nov 3, 2012, at 12:36, Max Dillon  wrote:


Also not tracking your comparison with Carrier, is that good or bad?
--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD

John Reames  wrote:


Joy! Is it a DX unit or a package unit? (I'm presuming DX with
pre-charged lines?)

I've heard that goodman is to carrier as stulz is to liebert.


--
John W Reames
jream...@verizon.net
Home: +14106646986
Mobile: +14437915905

On Nov 3, 2012, at 10:09, Max Dillon 

wrote:



Install a new heat pump and air handler for our downstairs,

replacing

dead Carrier unit which is 18 years old.  Goodman unit going in.
Toughest part will be all the connections to the air handler,

working

in a crawl space.

--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD
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Re: [MBZ] Todays job

[Dan Penoff]

Sorry.

Liebert is essentially the "gold standard" in the raised floor computer 
room/server farm environmental and electrical infrastructure.  They make 
chillers and UPS systems that are probably used in 90% of the computer rooms in 
corporate America, if not worldwide.

Stulz, well, suffice to say they're sort of the Yugo of the market, I guess.  I 
don't know much about them, as I've never seen any of their equipment, but I 
have heard stories.

Dan


On Nov 3, 2012, at 1:38 PM, Craig wrote:

> On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 13:37:04 -0400 Dan Penoff  wrote:
> 
>> Stulz compared to Liebert?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Just caught that
> 
> How about explaining it for those of us who are in the dark
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Todays job

[WILTON]

A diversity of feelings - upset with self for "ruining" a good controller; 
elation at finding that it's still good, anyway, and not having to order 
over-priced replacement; regret for not checking it thoroughly earlier; 
disappointment in not knowing why it wouldn't work after the pop, etc.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Rich Thomas" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Todays job


I have on my dirtys now, fixin to go sand some sheetrock compound so I can 
get a head unit put in after that is done.  funfunfun


On a related note, I have this (pricey) fan control I thought I had fried 
back in the summer when I tested it out by plugging it into an extension 
cord.  Heard a pop and then it would not work.  So yesterday, wanting to 
get that sorted out, I was gonna order another one, but $55, ouch.  So I 
took this one apart, it is kinda interesting in that it has a push-buttton 
power switch that sends power to the fan and the little low voltage RF 
transmitter board to tell the fan what to do when you push the various 
control buttons. Nothing looked toasted, I put the meter on a coupla 
components, they looked OK.  So I put it back together and hooked it up 
again, this time to a switched extension cord outlet I made up (I don't 
have power in the addition yet).  SUCCESS  Fan fans, speeds up/down, 
reverses, lights light,  dim, etc.  That has been annoying me for months 
so I can delete that from my stack.


--R
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Re: [MBZ] Todays job

[Craig]

On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 13:37:04 -0400 Dan Penoff  wrote:

> Stulz compared to Liebert?
> 
> 
> 
> Just caught that

How about explaining it for those of us who are in the dark


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Todays job

[Dan Penoff]

Stulz compared to Liebert?



Just caught that

Dan



>>> Also not tracking your comparison with Carrier, is that good or bad?
>>> -- 
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>>> Charleston SC
>>> '95 E300
>>> '87 300TD
>>> 
>>> John Reames  wrote:
>>> 
 Joy! Is it a DX unit or a package unit? (I'm presuming DX with
 pre-charged lines?)
 
 I've heard that goodman is to carrier as stulz is to liebert.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] drive safe this winter

[WILTON]

Fri, the 9th, yes; that'd be great!
Where's the destination?  In town, or out in countryside, suburbs?

Wilton

- Original Message - 
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Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] drive safe this winter



On Nov 3, 2012 10:41 AM, "WILTON"  wrote:


'Need to visit the Republik soon, myself, to take # 1 grndson to lunch,

etc. He especially likes Carrboro.

Speaking of, are you available around noon next Friday?  I've tentatively
scheduled the trip to Wilson.

Best,
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Re: [MBZ] Todays job

[Max Dillon]

Ah, well given that the going local rate is $5k installed, if DIY lasts about 
ten years, I'll be happy.  I paid $1600 for this unit.
-- 
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'87 300TD

John Reames  wrote:

>Depends on whether you own 'em or service 'em.
>
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>
>On Nov 3, 2012, at 12:36, Max Dillon  wrote:
>
>> Also not tracking your comparison with Carrier, is that good or bad?
>> -- 
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> '95 E300
>> '87 300TD
>> 
>> John Reames  wrote:
>> 
>>> Joy! Is it a DX unit or a package unit? (I'm presuming DX with
>>> pre-charged lines?)
>>> 
>>> I've heard that goodman is to carrier as stulz is to liebert.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> John W Reames
>>> jream...@verizon.net
>>> Home: +14106646986
>>> Mobile: +14437915905
>>> 
>>> On Nov 3, 2012, at 10:09, Max Dillon 
>wrote:
>>> 
 Install a new heat pump and air handler for our downstairs,
>replacing
>>> dead Carrier unit which is 18 years old.  Goodman unit going in. 
>>> Toughest part will be all the connections to the air handler,
>working
>>> in a crawl space.
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Re: [MBZ] drive safe this winter

[Max Dillon]

Then all three of us should get and wear that diversity shirt!
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WILTON  wrote:

>We may be in Charlotte.
>
>Wilton
>
>- Original Message - 
>From: "Max Dillon" 
>To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 12:59 PM
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] drive safe this winter
>
>
>> We may be in Asheville.
>> -- 
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> '95 E300
>> '87 300TD
>> 
>> Rich Thomas  wrote:
>> 
>>>I will be in the Peoples Glorious Progressive Demokratic Republik of 
>>>Chapel Hill/Carrboro for Thanksgiving.  Maybe I'll ride my bike up to
>
>>>your neck of the woods.
>>>
>>>--R
>>>
>>>On 11/3/12 9:02 AM, Tim C wrote:
 On Nov 2, 2012 11:45 PM, "Craig"  wrote:
> Just Fri, 2 Nov 2012 23:38:33 -0400 "WILTON" 
>>>wrote:
>
>> Raleigh-Durham-Cary, NC.
 I'm in Durham now, but I have lived in all three of the above plus
 Morrisville in the past 15 years (the greater "Research Triangle
>>>Park"
 area).  I live close to Duke University and UNC Chapel Hill,
>between
>>>I 40
 and I 85.

 You (Craig) probably still have my address in your email history,
>>>BTW. :)

> You're near there, too, aren't you Wilton?
 I believe Wilton is in Goldsboro, NC, east and south about 1.5h. 
>He
>>>is
 close to I 95.

> P.S. And in case you're wondering why I'm asking, I'm putting all
>>>this
>   information into a file so I can figure out where people
>are.
 That is a great idea!

 Best,
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Re: [MBZ] Todays job

[Rich Thomas]

I have on my dirtys now, fixin to go sand some sheetrock compound so I 
can get a head unit put in after that is done.  funfunfun


On a related note, I have this (pricey) fan control I thought I had 
fried back in the summer when I tested it out by plugging it into an 
extension cord.  Heard a pop and then it would not work.  So yesterday, 
wanting to get that sorted out, I was gonna order another one, but $55, 
ouch.  So I took this one apart, it is kinda interesting in that it has 
a push-buttton power switch that sends power to the fan and the little 
low voltage RF transmitter board to tell the fan what to do when you 
push the various control buttons. Nothing looked toasted, I put the 
meter on a coupla components, they looked OK.  So I put it back together 
and hooked it up again, this time to a switched extension cord outlet I 
made up (I don't have power in the addition yet).  SUCCESS  Fan 
fans, speeds up/down, reverses, lights light,  dim, etc.  That has been 
annoying me for months so I can delete that from my stack.


--R
On 11/3/12 12:32 PM, Max Dillon wrote:

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Re: [MBZ] drive safe this winter

[WILTON]

We may be in Charlotte.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Max Dillon" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] drive safe this winter



We may be in Asheville.
--
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Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD

Rich Thomas  wrote:

I will be in the Peoples Glorious Progressive Demokratic Republik of 
Chapel Hill/Carrboro for Thanksgiving.  Maybe I'll ride my bike up to 
your neck of the woods.


--R

On 11/3/12 9:02 AM, Tim C wrote:

On Nov 2, 2012 11:45 PM, "Craig"  wrote:

Just Fri, 2 Nov 2012 23:38:33 -0400 "WILTON" 

wrote:



Raleigh-Durham-Cary, NC.

I'm in Durham now, but I have lived in all three of the above plus
Morrisville in the past 15 years (the greater "Research Triangle

Park"

area).  I live close to Duke University and UNC Chapel Hill, between

I 40

and I 85.

You (Craig) probably still have my address in your email history,

BTW. :)



You're near there, too, aren't you Wilton?

I believe Wilton is in Goldsboro, NC, east and south about 1.5h.  He

is

close to I 95.


P.S. And in case you're wondering why I'm asking, I'm putting all

this

  information into a file so I can figure out where people are.

That is a great idea!

Best,
-Tim
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Re: [MBZ] drive safe this winter

[Tim C]

On Nov 3, 2012 10:41 AM, "WILTON"  wrote:
>
> 'Need to visit the Republik soon, myself, to take # 1 grndson to lunch,
etc. He especially likes Carrboro.

Speaking of, are you available around noon next Friday?  I've tentatively
scheduled the trip to Wilson.

Best,
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Re: [MBZ] Backup car back in service

[WILTON]

That's the way I usually do it, too.

Wilton

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Backup car back in service



As usual for me getting the air out is a bastard.


I pour the coolant into the tank, then pull the top hose halfway off
the radiator and backfill water until it starts spilling out over
my hands, then jam the hose back on.  Top off with water in the
tank as required after driving.  Seems to work pretty well.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] drive safe this winter

[Tim C]

On Nov 3, 2012 10:52 AM, "Dan Penoff"  wrote:
>
> Not a good place for peace and quiet, as she discovered on Halloween
night.

All three local universities (total almost 90k students) celebrate
Halloween on Franklin Street.  That should not be considered representative
of the Chapel Hill experience. ;)

Best,
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Re: [MBZ] Todays job

[John Reames]

Depends on whether you own 'em or service 'em.

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On Nov 3, 2012, at 12:36, Max Dillon  wrote:

> Also not tracking your comparison with Carrier, is that good or bad?
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '95 E300
> '87 300TD
> 
> John Reames  wrote:
> 
>> Joy! Is it a DX unit or a package unit? (I'm presuming DX with
>> pre-charged lines?)
>> 
>> I've heard that goodman is to carrier as stulz is to liebert.
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> John W Reames
>> jream...@verizon.net
>> Home: +14106646986
>> Mobile: +14437915905
>> 
>> On Nov 3, 2012, at 10:09, Max Dillon  wrote:
>> 
>>> Install a new heat pump and air handler for our downstairs, replacing
>> dead Carrier unit which is 18 years old.  Goodman unit going in. 
>> Toughest part will be all the connections to the air handler, working
>> in a crawl space.
>>> -- 
>>> Max Dillon
>>> Charleston SC
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>>> '87 300TD
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Re: [MBZ] Todays job

[John Reames]

Direct expansion, as opposed to packaged... It's too small to worry about 
glycol and dry coolers...

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On Nov 3, 2012, at 12:34, Max Dillon  wrote:

> Not sure what DX is, it's a split unit, not a package.
> -- 
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> 
> John Reames  wrote:
> 
>> Joy! Is it a DX unit or a package unit? (I'm presuming DX with
>> pre-charged lines?)
>> 
>> I've heard that goodman is to carrier as stulz is to liebert.
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> John W Reames
>> jream...@verizon.net
>> Home: +14106646986
>> Mobile: +14437915905
>> 
>> On Nov 3, 2012, at 10:09, Max Dillon  wrote:
>> 
>>> Install a new heat pump and air handler for our downstairs, replacing
>> dead Carrier unit which is 18 years old.  Goodman unit going in. 
>> Toughest part will be all the connections to the air handler, working
>> in a crawl space.
>>> -- 
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Re: [MBZ] building code question

[Rich Thomas]

25A is not a rating for your basic Romex 12AWG or a 12ga extension cord, 
though it could probably carry that current for awhile before it starts 
getting toasty.  It would have to have the higher temp rating.  If you 
have ever wired up a cooktop or oven, they have pretty small wires 
attached to them, but they appear to have some other kind of insulation, 
which is good for higher temps/higher currents, not the basic plastic 
stuff on Romex.


--R

On 11/3/12 12:58 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:

12 AWG = 25 ga for an extension cord maybe, but in the wall of a house?

That ought to be 20A ?


On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Fmiser  wrote:


Mitch Haley wrote:
Is it OK to run a 240v device on a 25 amp breaker through two
parallel 14-2 NM romex instead of one 10-2 NM?

Yes.  But it's likely doesn't satisfy local code.  A pair of 14
AWG wires is equivalent to a single 11 AWG wire. NEC ampacity
chart shows 12 AWG is suitable for 25 amp with 60 dec C
insulation.

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Todays job

[John Reames]

I was referring to the quality and durability.

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On Nov 3, 2012, at 13:15, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> John Reames wrote:
>> Joy! Is it a DX unit or a package unit? (I'm presuming DX with pre-charged 
>> lines?)
>> I've heard that goodman is to carrier as stulz is to liebert.
> 
> I don't believe Goodman is related to anything except Amana.
> Amana Distinctions = Goodman in beige paint.
> Real Amana stuff has some improvements, like their furnaces have all 
> stainless heat exchangers while the Goodman/Distinctions furnaces have 
> aluminized primaries and stainless secondaries (all the condensation takes 
> place in the secondary unless the installer did something very wrong or the 
> homeowner sets the thermostat below 55°).
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] drive safe this winter

[Max Dillon]

Back of the shirt needs the "PEACE through superior firepower" B-52 in a circle.
-- 
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Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD

Rich Thomas  wrote:

>I'm going to buy one of these to wear to that grocery store in Carrboro
>
>that always seems to have a "diverse" set of patrons
>http://www.cafepress.com/mf/45296368/celebrate-diversity-_tshirt
>
>http://www.thoseshirts.com/diversity.html
>
>Their heads will explode.
>
>--R
>
>On 11/3/12 10:41 AM, WILTON wrote:
>> 'Need to visit the Republik soon, myself, to take # 1 grndson to 
>> lunch, etc. He especially likes Carrboro.
>>
>> Wilton
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas" 
>> 
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 10:24 AM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] drive safe this winter
>>
>>
>>> I will be in the Peoples Glorious Progressive Demokratic Republik of
>
>>> Chapel Hill/Carrboro for Thanksgiving.  Maybe I'll ride my bike up
>to 
>>> your neck of the woods.
>>>
>>> --R
>>>
>>> On 11/3/12 9:02 AM, Tim C wrote:
 On Nov 2, 2012 11:45 PM, "Craig"  wrote:
> Just Fri, 2 Nov 2012 23:38:33 -0400 "WILTON"  
> wrote:
>
>> Raleigh-Durham-Cary, NC.
 I'm in Durham now, but I have lived in all three of the above plus
 Morrisville in the past 15 years (the greater "Research Triangle
>Park"
 area).  I live close to Duke University and UNC Chapel Hill,
>between 
 I 40
 and I 85.

 You (Craig) probably still have my address in your email history, 
 BTW. :)

> You're near there, too, aren't you Wilton?
 I believe Wilton is in Goldsboro, NC, east and south about 1.5h. 
>He is
 close to I 95.

> P.S. And in case you're wondering why I'm asking, I'm putting all
>this
>   information into a file so I can figure out where people
>are.
 That is a great idea!

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Re: [MBZ] drive safe this winter

[Max Dillon]

We may be in Asheville.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD

Rich Thomas  wrote:

>I will be in the Peoples Glorious Progressive Demokratic Republik of 
>Chapel Hill/Carrboro for Thanksgiving.  Maybe I'll ride my bike up to 
>your neck of the woods.
>
>--R
>
>On 11/3/12 9:02 AM, Tim C wrote:
>> On Nov 2, 2012 11:45 PM, "Craig"  wrote:
>>> Just Fri, 2 Nov 2012 23:38:33 -0400 "WILTON" 
>wrote:
>>>
 Raleigh-Durham-Cary, NC.
>> I'm in Durham now, but I have lived in all three of the above plus
>> Morrisville in the past 15 years (the greater "Research Triangle
>Park"
>> area).  I live close to Duke University and UNC Chapel Hill, between
>I 40
>> and I 85.
>>
>> You (Craig) probably still have my address in your email history,
>BTW. :)
>>
>>> You're near there, too, aren't you Wilton?
>> I believe Wilton is in Goldsboro, NC, east and south about 1.5h.  He
>is
>> close to I 95.
>>
>>> P.S. And in case you're wondering why I'm asking, I'm putting all
>this
>>>   information into a file so I can figure out where people are.
>> That is a great idea!
>>
>> Best,
>> -Tim
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Re: [MBZ] building code question

[Brian Toscano]

12 AWG = 25 ga for an extension cord maybe, but in the wall of a house?

That ought to be 20A ?


On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Fmiser  wrote:

> > Mitch Haley wrote:
>
> > Is it OK to run a 240v device on a 25 amp breaker through two
> > parallel 14-2 NM romex instead of one 10-2 NM?
>
> Yes.  But it's likely doesn't satisfy local code.  A pair of 14
> AWG wires is equivalent to a single 11 AWG wire. NEC ampacity
> chart shows 12 AWG is suitable for 25 amp with 60 dec C
> insulation.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Backup car back in service

[Jim Cathey]

As usual for me getting the air out is a bastard.


I pour the coolant into the tank, then pull the top hose halfway off
the radiator and backfill water until it starts spilling out over
my hands, then jam the hose back on.  Top off with water in the
tank as required after driving.  Seems to work pretty well.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] building code question

[Fmiser]

> Mitch Haley wrote:

> Is it OK to run a 240v device on a 25 amp breaker through two
> parallel 14-2 NM romex instead of one 10-2 NM?

Yes.  But it's likely doesn't satisfy local code.  A pair of 14
AWG wires is equivalent to a single 11 AWG wire. NEC ampacity
chart shows 12 AWG is suitable for 25 amp with 60 dec C
insulation.

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Re: [MBZ] Todays job

[Max Dillon]

Also not tracking your comparison with Carrier, is that good or bad?
-- 
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'95 E300
'87 300TD

John Reames  wrote:

>Joy! Is it a DX unit or a package unit? (I'm presuming DX with
>pre-charged lines?)
>
>I've heard that goodman is to carrier as stulz is to liebert.
>
>
>--
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>
>On Nov 3, 2012, at 10:09, Max Dillon  wrote:
>
>> Install a new heat pump and air handler for our downstairs, replacing
>dead Carrier unit which is 18 years old.  Goodman unit going in. 
>Toughest part will be all the connections to the air handler, working
>in a crawl space.
>> -- 
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>> Charleston SC
>> '95 E300
>> '87 300TD
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Re: [MBZ] Todays job

[Max Dillon]

Not sure what DX is, it's a split unit, not a package.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD

John Reames  wrote:

>Joy! Is it a DX unit or a package unit? (I'm presuming DX with
>pre-charged lines?)
>
>I've heard that goodman is to carrier as stulz is to liebert.
>
>
>--
>John W Reames
>jream...@verizon.net
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>
>On Nov 3, 2012, at 10:09, Max Dillon  wrote:
>
>> Install a new heat pump and air handler for our downstairs, replacing
>dead Carrier unit which is 18 years old.  Goodman unit going in. 
>Toughest part will be all the connections to the air handler, working
>in a crawl space.
>> -- 
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> '95 E300
>> '87 300TD
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Re: [MBZ] Todays job

[Max Dillon]

Thanks, did the upstairs last summer.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD

Craig  wrote:

>On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 10:09:39 -0400 Max Dillon
>
>wrote:
>
>> Install a new heat pump and air handler for our downstairs, replacing
>> dead Carrier unit which is 18 years old.  Goodman unit going in.
>> Toughest part will be all the connections to the air handler, working
>> in a crawl space.
>
>You have your work cut out for you! I wish you success with it.
>
>
>Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Todays job

[Max Dillon]

Yes, thanks.
-- 
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'87 300TD

WILTON  wrote:

>A split unit?  'Hope all goes well.
>
>Wilton
>
>- Original Message - 
>From: "Max Dillon" 
>To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 10:09 AM
>Subject: [MBZ] Todays job
>
>
>> Install a new heat pump and air handler for our downstairs, replacing
>dead 
>> Carrier unit which is 18 years old.  Goodman unit going in.  Toughest
>part 
>> will be all the connections to the air handler, working in a crawl
>space.
>> -- 
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Todays job

[Max Dillon]

Sure!  Come on over and take a look, wear something you can get dirty...
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD

Rich Thomas  wrote:

>You got your permits on that, right?
>
>--R (who is debating getting a permit for my mini-split system)
>
>On 11/3/12 10:09 AM, Max Dillon wrote:
>> Install a new heat pump and air handler for our downstairs, replacing
>dead Carrier unit which is 18 years old.  Goodman unit going in. 
>Toughest part will be all the connections to the air handler, working
>in a crawl space.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Todays job

[Mitch Haley]

John Reames wrote:

Joy! Is it a DX unit or a package unit? (I'm presuming DX with pre-charged 
lines?)

I've heard that goodman is to carrier as stulz is to liebert.


I don't believe Goodman is related to anything except Amana.
Amana Distinctions = Goodman in beige paint.
Real Amana stuff has some improvements, like their furnaces have all stainless 
heat exchangers while the Goodman/Distinctions furnaces have aluminized 
primaries and stainless secondaries (all the condensation takes place in the 
secondary unless the installer did something very wrong or the homeowner sets 
the thermostat below 55°).


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Todays job

[John Reames]

Joy! Is it a DX unit or a package unit? (I'm presuming DX with pre-charged 
lines?)

I've heard that goodman is to carrier as stulz is to liebert.


--
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On Nov 3, 2012, at 10:09, Max Dillon  wrote:

> Install a new heat pump and air handler for our downstairs, replacing dead 
> Carrier unit which is 18 years old.  Goodman unit going in.  Toughest part 
> will be all the connections to the air handler, working in a crawl space.
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '95 E300
> '87 300TD
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Re: [MBZ] drive safe this winter

[WILTON]

Grndson always likes to go to that grocery store, too.  I usually wait in 
the car while Grndma and he go in.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Rich Thomas" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] drive safe this winter


I'm going to buy one of these to wear to that grocery store in Carrboro 
that always seems to have a "diverse" set of patrons

http://www.cafepress.com/mf/45296368/celebrate-diversity-_tshirt

http://www.thoseshirts.com/diversity.html

Their heads will explode.

--R

On 11/3/12 10:41 AM, WILTON wrote:
'Need to visit the Republik soon, myself, to take # 1 grndson to lunch, 
etc. He especially likes Carrboro.


Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas" 


To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] drive safe this winter


I will be in the Peoples Glorious Progressive Demokratic Republik of 
Chapel Hill/Carrboro for Thanksgiving.  Maybe I'll ride my bike up to 
your neck of the woods.


--R

On 11/3/12 9:02 AM, Tim C wrote:

On Nov 2, 2012 11:45 PM, "Craig"  wrote:
Just Fri, 2 Nov 2012 23:38:33 -0400 "WILTON"  
wrote:



Raleigh-Durham-Cary, NC.

I'm in Durham now, but I have lived in all three of the above plus
Morrisville in the past 15 years (the greater "Research Triangle Park"
area).  I live close to Duke University and UNC Chapel Hill, between I 
40

and I 85.

You (Craig) probably still have my address in your email history, BTW. 
:)



You're near there, too, aren't you Wilton?

I believe Wilton is in Goldsboro, NC, east and south about 1.5h.  He is
close to I 95.


P.S. And in case you're wondering why I'm asking, I'm putting all this
  information into a file so I can figure out where people are.

That is a great idea!

Best,
-Tim
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Re: [MBZ] my 240D mostly rust repair blog

[Rich Thomas]

Good blog and nice work.  Inspires me to give it a go.

--R

On 11/2/12 9:19 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

Thanks!  I taught myself.  Basically bought a welder 17 yrs ago to repair some 
rust. Struggled for a while but figured it out with some practice.  The welding 
is the easy part, although butt welding sheetmetal takes some practice so as 
not to burn through. Patch panel fabrication is where the real skill is needed. 
 I learned from books early on and just practiced.
I use a MIG welder with shielding gas (Lincoln Weldpack 100).  It's a small 
110V machine.  I don't need the power of 220 as I'm primarily welding 
sheetmetal.

I didn't replace the door for a few reasons:

1. I like to keep as much original sheetmetal and paint on my cars as possible. 
 This is totally silly, impractical, and irrational but I can't help myself.  
I'm not dealing with a rare Bugatti Atlantic coupe here but again it's my 
impractical side that controls my actions here.
2. The patch cost $5 and the door $50.

3. The door had power windows, whereas mine doesn't which meant swapping out 
all that stuff- probably less work than splicing in a patch though!
4.  I'm always up for a metalworking challenge!





  From: Randy Bennell 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] my 240D mostly rust repair blog
  
On 01/11/2012 6:45 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

Well that didn't work.  I'll try again:
I created this blog to document repair to my cars-mostly rust repairs.  The 
hood repair you've seen.  My most recent posts document another door repair.  
Enjoy and please post comment on the blog to demonstrate activity.
http://stricht8.wordpress.com



From: Dimitri Seretakis 



Actually your first post worked fine too.

In any event, I had a look at your blog.
You do very nice work.
Did you teach yourself to weld or did you take some lessons?
What sort of welder are you using?

Why did you elect to repair the door rather than just acquire the one at the 
junk yard and swap it onto the car.

Randy

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[MBZ] Backup car back in service

[Curt Raymond]

My local Car Quest came through with a radiator for my '78 240D so yesterday I 
replaced it and while I was there the oil cooler. Rusty had come through with a 
great deal on that a couple weeks ago but its been so cool here it quit leaking 
so I hadn't bothered).
Anyway removal is almost stupid easy, the oil cooler is a slight challenge 
because it wants a big wrench in a tight space.

Replacement is also very easy. As usual for me getting the air out is a 
bastard. Fortunately my '78 240D has a bolt in the thermostat housing. After 
forgetting about it and running the temp high as a result this morning I pulled 
the bolt and pre-filled the housing. Although it didn't get hot I wasn't 
getting cabin heat which was concerning. Finally I just took it for a ride. 
Before I'd gone 100 yards the cabin heat came on. Well la-de-dah...

Seems like power is back up too, I have two possible explanations, bio sitting 
in the IP for a week probably helps but I think I felt a dragging parking brake 
let loose when I first backed out of the driveway. I'd been wondering about 
such a thing but had assumed that after 500 miles of commuting it would have 
gotten better or worse. I rarely use the thing so they tend to seieze up on me. 
I'll try to use it more this week and see if it helps.

Anyway, the DV seals finally got here from Germany, I'll get on to that 
tomorrow. Today we're installing a floor register to get heat from the 
woodstove to our bedroom. Then hopefully off to see Argo.

-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] drive safe this winter

[Rich Thomas]

I'm going to buy one of these to wear to that grocery store in Carrboro 
that always seems to have a "diverse" set of patrons

http://www.cafepress.com/mf/45296368/celebrate-diversity-_tshirt

http://www.thoseshirts.com/diversity.html

Their heads will explode.

--R

On 11/3/12 10:41 AM, WILTON wrote:
'Need to visit the Republik soon, myself, to take # 1 grndson to 
lunch, etc. He especially likes Carrboro.


Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas" 


To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] drive safe this winter


I will be in the Peoples Glorious Progressive Demokratic Republik of 
Chapel Hill/Carrboro for Thanksgiving.  Maybe I'll ride my bike up to 
your neck of the woods.


--R

On 11/3/12 9:02 AM, Tim C wrote:

On Nov 2, 2012 11:45 PM, "Craig"  wrote:
Just Fri, 2 Nov 2012 23:38:33 -0400 "WILTON"  
wrote:



Raleigh-Durham-Cary, NC.

I'm in Durham now, but I have lived in all three of the above plus
Morrisville in the past 15 years (the greater "Research Triangle Park"
area).  I live close to Duke University and UNC Chapel Hill, between 
I 40

and I 85.

You (Craig) probably still have my address in your email history, 
BTW. :)



You're near there, too, aren't you Wilton?

I believe Wilton is in Goldsboro, NC, east and south about 1.5h.  He is
close to I 95.


P.S. And in case you're wondering why I'm asking, I'm putting all this
  information into a file so I can figure out where people are.

That is a great idea!

Best,
-Tim
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Re: [MBZ] Todays job

[Craig]

On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 10:09:39 -0400 Max Dillon 
wrote:

> Install a new heat pump and air handler for our downstairs, replacing
> dead Carrier unit which is 18 years old.  Goodman unit going in.
> Toughest part will be all the connections to the air handler, working
> in a crawl space.

You have your work cut out for you! I wish you success with it.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] building code question

[Jim Cathey]

Is it OK to run a 240v device on a 25 amp breaker through two parallel 
14-2 NM romex instead of one 10-2 NM?


No.  The purpose of the breaker is to prevent fire in the
wiring.  25A through 14ga wire will cook.  25A through
two paralleled 14ga wires will not cook.  Ah, but how
does the _breaker_ know that both paralleled wires are
still intact and sharing the load equally?  It doesn't.
If something happens to half your wire, such as bad
connection or trauma, what then happens to your house?

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] drive safe this winter

[Dan Penoff]

Not sure what Elizabeth's address is.  I've been there, but she vectored me in 
over the phone at 1:00 am in the morning.  I had a layover there when I was 
driving the 300E back from Philly.

That reminds me, I need to get her address

Dan


On Nov 3, 2012, at 10:59 AM, WILTON wrote:

> Grndson is in 5th floor apt on Martin L. King Blvd. 'bout 3 blocks north of 
> Franklin St.
> 
> Wilton
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Dan Penoff" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 10:52 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] drive safe this winter
> 
> 
>> I have a friend who lives in Chapel Hill right off campus in the middle of a 
>> bunch of frat houses.  Great place to hang out, especially if you're looking 
>> to party.  Not a good place for peace and quiet, as she discovered on 
>> Halloween night.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 


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Re: [MBZ] drive safe this winter

[WILTON]

Grndson is in 5th floor apt on Martin L. King Blvd. 'bout 3 blocks north of 
Franklin St.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Penoff" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] drive safe this winter


I have a friend who lives in Chapel Hill right off campus in the middle of 
a bunch of frat houses.  Great place to hang out, especially if you're 
looking to party.  Not a good place for peace and quiet, as she discovered 
on Halloween night.


Dan


On Nov 3, 2012, at 10:24 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:

I will be in the Peoples Glorious Progressive Demokratic Republik of 
Chapel Hill/Carrboro for Thanksgiving.  Maybe I'll ride my bike up to 
your neck of the woods.


--R

On 11/3/12 9:02 AM, Tim C wrote:

On Nov 2, 2012 11:45 PM, "Craig"  wrote:

Just Fri, 2 Nov 2012 23:38:33 -0400 "WILTON"  wrote:


Raleigh-Durham-Cary, NC.

I'm in Durham now, but I have lived in all three of the above plus
Morrisville in the past 15 years (the greater "Research Triangle Park"
area).  I live close to Duke University and UNC Chapel Hill, between I 
40

and I 85.

You (Craig) probably still have my address in your email history, BTW. 
:)



You're near there, too, aren't you Wilton?

I believe Wilton is in Goldsboro, NC, east and south about 1.5h.  He is
close to I 95.


P.S. And in case you're wondering why I'm asking, I'm putting all this
 information into a file so I can figure out where people are.

That is a great idea!

Best,
-Tim
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Re: [MBZ] building code question

[Dan Penoff]

Not if you're attempting to comply with code.  Serious no-no.  Do it right.

Dan


On Nov 3, 2012, at 11:24 AM, Mitch Haley wrote:

> Is it OK to run a 240v device on a 25 amp breaker through two parallel 14-2 
> NM romex instead of one 10-2 NM?
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] drive safe this winter

[Dan Penoff]

I have a friend who lives in Chapel Hill right off campus in the middle of a 
bunch of frat houses.  Great place to hang out, especially if you're looking to 
party.  Not a good place for peace and quiet, as she discovered on Halloween 
night.

Dan


On Nov 3, 2012, at 10:24 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:

> I will be in the Peoples Glorious Progressive Demokratic Republik of Chapel 
> Hill/Carrboro for Thanksgiving.  Maybe I'll ride my bike up to your neck of 
> the woods.
> 
> --R
> 
> On 11/3/12 9:02 AM, Tim C wrote:
>> On Nov 2, 2012 11:45 PM, "Craig"  wrote:
>>> Just Fri, 2 Nov 2012 23:38:33 -0400 "WILTON"  wrote:
>>> 
 Raleigh-Durham-Cary, NC.
>> I'm in Durham now, but I have lived in all three of the above plus
>> Morrisville in the past 15 years (the greater "Research Triangle Park"
>> area).  I live close to Duke University and UNC Chapel Hill, between I 40
>> and I 85.
>> 
>> You (Craig) probably still have my address in your email history, BTW. :)
>> 
>>> You're near there, too, aren't you Wilton?
>> I believe Wilton is in Goldsboro, NC, east and south about 1.5h.  He is
>> close to I 95.
>> 
>>> P.S. And in case you're wondering why I'm asking, I'm putting all this
>>>  information into a file so I can figure out where people are.
>> That is a great idea!
>> 
>> Best,
>> -Tim
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Re: [MBZ] drive safe this winter

[WILTON]

'Need to visit the Republik soon, myself, to take # 1 grndson to lunch, etc. 
He especially likes Carrboro.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Rich Thomas" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] drive safe this winter


I will be in the Peoples Glorious Progressive Demokratic Republik of Chapel 
Hill/Carrboro for Thanksgiving.  Maybe I'll ride my bike up to your neck of 
the woods.


--R

On 11/3/12 9:02 AM, Tim C wrote:

On Nov 2, 2012 11:45 PM, "Craig"  wrote:

Just Fri, 2 Nov 2012 23:38:33 -0400 "WILTON"  wrote:


Raleigh-Durham-Cary, NC.

I'm in Durham now, but I have lived in all three of the above plus
Morrisville in the past 15 years (the greater "Research Triangle Park"
area).  I live close to Duke University and UNC Chapel Hill, between I 40
and I 85.

You (Craig) probably still have my address in your email history, BTW. :)


You're near there, too, aren't you Wilton?

I believe Wilton is in Goldsboro, NC, east and south about 1.5h.  He is
close to I 95.


P.S. And in case you're wondering why I'm asking, I'm putting all this
  information into a file so I can figure out where people are.

That is a great idea!

Best,
-Tim
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Re: [MBZ] building code question

[Rich Thomas]

no

--R
On 11/3/12 11:24 AM, Mitch Haley wrote:
Is it OK to run a 240v device on a 25 amp breaker through two parallel 
14-2 NM romex instead of one 10-2 NM?


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Todays job

[WILTON]

A split unit?  'Hope all goes well.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Max Dillon" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 10:09 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Todays job


Install a new heat pump and air handler for our downstairs, replacing dead 
Carrier unit which is 18 years old.  Goodman unit going in.  Toughest part 
will be all the connections to the air handler, working in a crawl space.

--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD
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[MBZ] building code question

[Mitch Haley]

Is it OK to run a 240v device on a 25 amp breaker through two parallel 14-2 NM 
romex instead of one 10-2 NM?


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] drive safe this winter

[Rich Thomas]

I will be in the Peoples Glorious Progressive Demokratic Republik of 
Chapel Hill/Carrboro for Thanksgiving.  Maybe I'll ride my bike up to 
your neck of the woods.


--R

On 11/3/12 9:02 AM, Tim C wrote:

On Nov 2, 2012 11:45 PM, "Craig"  wrote:

Just Fri, 2 Nov 2012 23:38:33 -0400 "WILTON"  wrote:


Raleigh-Durham-Cary, NC.

I'm in Durham now, but I have lived in all three of the above plus
Morrisville in the past 15 years (the greater "Research Triangle Park"
area).  I live close to Duke University and UNC Chapel Hill, between I 40
and I 85.

You (Craig) probably still have my address in your email history, BTW. :)


You're near there, too, aren't you Wilton?

I believe Wilton is in Goldsboro, NC, east and south about 1.5h.  He is
close to I 95.


P.S. And in case you're wondering why I'm asking, I'm putting all this
  information into a file so I can figure out where people are.

That is a great idea!

Best,
-Tim
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Re: [MBZ] Todays job

[Rich Thomas]

You got your permits on that, right?

--R (who is debating getting a permit for my mini-split system)

On 11/3/12 10:09 AM, Max Dillon wrote:

Install a new heat pump and air handler for our downstairs, replacing dead 
Carrier unit which is 18 years old.  Goodman unit going in.  Toughest part will 
be all the connections to the air handler, working in a crawl space.



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Re: [MBZ] drive safe this winter

[WILTON]

Yep.  Goldsboro - 55 mi east-southeast of Raleigh.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Craig" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 11:45 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] drive safe this winter



On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 23:38:33 -0400 "WILTON"  wrote:


Raleigh-Durham-Cary, NC.

Wilton


You're near there, too, aren't you Wilton?


Craig

P.S. And in case you're wondering why I'm asking, I'm putting all this
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[MBZ] Todays job

[Max Dillon]

Install a new heat pump and air handler for our downstairs, replacing dead 
Carrier unit which is 18 years old.  Goodman unit going in.  Toughest part will 
be all the connections to the air handler, working in a crawl space.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD
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Re: [MBZ] Picture of OM617 injection line clamping

[Tim C]

On Nov 2, 2012 11:51 PM, "Craig" @
pisquared.net > wrote:
>
> Would someone with a 5-cylinder W123 send me some pictures of the
> clamping of the injection lines so I can compare with my car? I presume
> the clamping of the injection lines is the same for turbo and non-turbo.

On my NA 77 I have an upper clamp between 4 and 5, but no lower clamp on
5.  Pictures to follow.

Best,
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Re: [MBZ] drive safe this winter

[Tim C]

On Nov 2, 2012 11:45 PM, "Craig"  wrote:
>
> Just Fri, 2 Nov 2012 23:38:33 -0400 "WILTON"  wrote:
>
> > Raleigh-Durham-Cary, NC.

I'm in Durham now, but I have lived in all three of the above plus
Morrisville in the past 15 years (the greater "Research Triangle Park"
area).  I live close to Duke University and UNC Chapel Hill, between I 40
and I 85.

You (Craig) probably still have my address in your email history, BTW. :)

> You're near there, too, aren't you Wilton?

I believe Wilton is in Goldsboro, NC, east and south about 1.5h.  He is
close to I 95.

> P.S. And in case you're wondering why I'm asking, I'm putting all this
>  information into a file so I can figure out where people are.

That is a great idea!

Best,
-Tim
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