Re: [MBZ] 92 300E Eating Serpentine Belta?
On Dec 3, 2012 1:29 PM, Dan Penoff dan d...@penoff.com@ d...@penoff.com penoff.com d...@penoff.com wrote: thinking that since everything the belt drives is attached to the engine in some fashion it wouldn't affect the belt. You've still got some extra side stress on the belt if the impact isn't being properly dampened. I wouldn't expect it to injure the belt unless it got to jumping, but over six months or a year maybe the stress of getting pushed up the pulleys could add up. The contrary to this is that you'd probably have noticed the mounts were bad, if they were that bad... A burr or offset or loose pulley would make more sense, just trying to think of what else if those don't pan out. Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 92 300E Eating Serpentine Belta?
On Dec 3, 2012 1:29 PM, Dan Penoff dan d...@penoff.com@ d...@penoff.com penoff.com d...@penoff.com wrote: thinking that since everything the belt drives is attached to the engine in some fashion it wouldn't affect the belt. You've still got some extra side stress on the belt if the impact isn't being properly dampened. I wouldn't expect it to injure the belt unless it got to jumping, but over six months or a year maybe the stress of getting pushed up the pulleys could add up. The contrary to this is that you'd probably have noticed the mounts were bad, if they were that bad... A burr or offset or loose pulley would make more sense, just trying to think of what else if those don't pan out. Best, Tim ___ My vote is for a pulley mounted backwards, assuming the tensioner bearing is ok. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CL idiot of the week
Nice color but very expensive to restore. Those peeling louvers are a real nightmare to get at, and what does it mean that an engine needs tlc? Is that code for a valve job? On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 9:47 PM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote: http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/cto/3414876270.html The guy has not realistically thought out the future for this ride. This is a parts car and only a parts car from my point of view. $6k for a new engine or rebuild, full exhaust, interior and center console controls are going to need expensive attention. clay 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: Warning lights?
It still sounds like a bad ground. Parking brake, brake wear, and low fuel indicators are independent of the alternator and are directly powered by 12 volts. Not independent. The lamp-test function uses a diode and resistor to send current into the alternator for each of the lamps that don't normally come on, so that you can see them all glow dimly before the engine starts. This is shown in the car schematics. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CL idiot of the week
It is code that the guy is an idiot. Occam's razor. --R On 12/4/12 9:47 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: Nice color but very expensive to restore. Those peeling louvers are a real nightmare to get at, and what does it mean that an engine needs tlc? Is that code for a valve job? On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 9:47 PM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote: http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/cto/3414876270.html The guy has not realistically thought out the future for this ride. This is a parts car and only a parts car from my point of view. $6k for a new engine or rebuild, full exhaust, interior and center console controls are going to need expensive attention. clay 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Beltless
Other than aircraft and stationary engines I can't think of any. Interesting question. Mike On Dec 3, 2012 7:57 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: ..Hmm. There are of course plenty of cars out there with chain-driven cams, and a few with gear-driven ones... but was an engine ever made with no belts at all? I.e., all accessories chain- or gear- driven? (Not counting motorcycle engines since they don't have any accessories to speak of.).. There are a few new cars with no belts. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CL idiot of the week
Wow. Parts car is kinda harsh isn't it? Looks like a nice body that could be put back to a reasonable operating condition and enjoyed for many years. Maybe TLC just means that maintenance had been neglected and it just needs a good servicing. Used parts are all over all of our cars, I am not afraid to put some junkyard parts into my cars, why not this one? Mike On Dec 3, 2012 9:47 PM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote: http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/cto/3414876270.html The guy has not realistically thought out the future for this ride. This is a parts car and only a parts car from my point of view. $6k for a new engine or rebuild, full exhaust, interior and center console controls are going to need expensive attention. clay 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Beltless
I have seen fat guys with suspenders only because a belt slides down and does no good. Although interestingly that is called Dunlop's disease, cause their bellies dunlopped over their belts. Even a Dunlop belt would probably not work! Or maybe it would... --R On 12/4/12 10:08 AM, Michael Canfield wrote: Other than aircraft and stationary engines I can't think of any. Interesting question. Mike On Dec 3, 2012 7:57 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: ..Hmm. There are of course plenty of cars out there with chain-driven cams, and a few with gear-driven ones... but was an engine ever made with no belts at all? I.e., all accessories chain- or gear- driven? (Not counting motorcycle engines since they don't have any accessories to speak of.).. There are a few new cars with no belts. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 92 300E Eating Serpentine Belta?
On 03/12/2012 5:21 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: Check the fan pulley, it can be put on wrong way round (and the water pump pulley, if I remember correctly). The difference is just about 1 and one half ribs, so eventually the belt shreds on one side (the rear on my brother's car) and works fine so long as you don't mind the mess. The difference is small enough it's hard to see. Peter ___ I had that issue on a Toyota 4Runner. It did not eat the belt but it was noisy and would squeal on turns. Discovered the fan pulley was on backwards. It had had a timing belt change not long before I got it and I guess they got in wrong on re-assembly. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 92 300E Eating Serpentine Belta?
On 03/12/2012 7:03 PM, Dieselhead wrote: What if said cheaper accessory seizes? When it's belt driven, it only breaks a belt I've seen this happen more than once with a/c and alternators. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (159,xxx mi) Uh.that is what shear pins or shear bolts are for. Every powered boat has at least one. ___ They used to. Some of the smallest engines may still use that method. I think now, they mostly rely upon the rubber hub in the propeller to absorb the impact and give way. An I/O will also generally have a rubber insert in the coupler on the flywheel where the driveshaft to the outdrive connects to the engine. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CL idiot of the week
On 03/12/2012 8:47 PM, clay monroe wrote: http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/cto/3414876270.html The guy has not realistically thought out the future for this ride. This is a parts car and only a parts car from my point of view. $6k for a new engine or rebuild, full exhaust, interior and center console controls are going to need expensive attention. clay Hey, in Seattle you won't need A/C. That big gaping hole is the perfect spot to install your fancy double din stereo. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Subject: Low cost w115
Haha I think I looked at that car in 2009, head is in the trunk and it does not look like it has moved an inch since then. The owner's mother who was selling it was named Joelyn or something, would not take an offer below the $250 asking price! It was not too rusty at that time. I still have a 220d junk yard engine in my garage. I remember driving past CV-64 and CV-61 on death row to go look at it that day. Dave L Lynnwood Wa -- Message: 14 Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 17:15:27 -0800 From: clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Low cost w115 Message-ID: 894493b2-1c0e-4192-af56-9af06123f...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/cto/3444742628.html I think there is a $400 om617 in PDX clay 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers -- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] New E63
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/1212_2014_mercedes_benz_e63_amg_4matic_development_mule_first_look/ With 4WD, just the thing for blasting through those snow drifts --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] New email client
OP test Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CL idiot of the week
There are so darn many of the R107 that the amount of cash required to make this one a viable driver is a multiple of the value of the car. Though fewer SLC were made, the model is not desirable for a collector or normal buyer. They rot out and are not cared for because they are a lesser version. The rear seat is no more useful than the package shelf in the SL, so not able to carry passengers. Did I mention they rust out? Bad M117 is not the simple engine to work on the way a OM engine is. Being a V engine you have to double work to keep it running. Dual head shop time, so twice as much $$. Mechanicals need to be sourced from a W116, which is more valuable in good condition than the SLC. You would still need to send the engine out for work. About the only way an SLC would have value in the condition this one is, would to be the ultra rare 5.0 engine of 78-80. There is so much inventory of actual running cars available, a dead one is pretty much a parts car. The K-jet parts will be useful in the 380 as well as the 560, which are both better cars than the 1980 107. Since the car is a mess of 114/116 body parts and the newer SE engines are probably a better swap in, bothering to keep this car pure renders this a worthless parts car. clay On Dec 4, 2012, at 7:17 AM, Michael Canfield wrote: Wow. Parts car is kinda harsh isn't it? Looks like a nice body that could be put back to a reasonable operating condition and enjoyed for many years. Maybe TLC just means that maintenance had been neglected and it just needs a good servicing. Used parts are all over all of our cars, I am not afraid to put some junkyard parts into my cars, why not this one? Mike On Dec 3, 2012 9:47 PM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote: http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/cto/3414876270.html The guy has not realistically thought out the future for this ride. This is a parts car and only a parts car from my point of view. $6k for a new engine or rebuild, full exhaust, interior and center console controls are going to need expensive attention. clay 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CL idiot of the week
You still need access to fresh air and defog. Chrysler ACC II is garbage, but maybe you could transplant one from a w126 On Dec 4, 2012, at 9:18 AM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 03/12/2012 8:47 PM, clay monroe wrote: http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/cto/3414876270.html The guy has not realistically thought out the future for this ride. This is a parts car and only a parts car from my point of view. $6k for a new engine or rebuild, full exhaust, interior and center console controls are going to need expensive attention. clay Hey, in Seattle you won't need A/C. That big gaping hole is the perfect spot to install your fancy double din stereo. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New email client
OP test Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD '73 Balboa 20 Fail ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New email client
you failed On 12/4/2012 4:37 PM, Max Dillon wrote: OP test Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2793 / Virus Database: 2634/5934 - Release Date: 12/03/12 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New E63 e1usa9az
Speaking of the refreshed '14 E-classit looks like 4matic will finally be available on the BlueTEC (diesel) model as well, if the preliminary ordering info that was recently shown is anything to go by! Chris J. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Warning lights?
I had time tonight to go out and pull the cluster from my '84 190D that isn't charging (parking brake, brake warning and low fuel indicators on). Pulling the cluster from a 201 is a lot harder than a 123. The steering wheel must come out, normal tools don't seem to work and you can't push it out from underneath... Anyway the bulb for the alternator light is much bigger than the other warning lights, its a 3w bulb, same as the turn indicators so I swapped it with a turn indicator bulb, now the alternator light is on during POST where it wasn't before. Dug around in my box o' bulbs and found a replacement (actually found 10 replacements, I guess at one point 12 was the minimum order) and got it installed before bedtime. Tomorrow night I'll put everything back together and fire it up and see what happens. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT Oz Porch
I am sure the purists will make the usual noises. http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/semaphore/cars-vans-utes/1977-porsche-924-coupe/1009536457 Hendrik who is half tempted to buy that for daughter to drive but has no room ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CL SLC
...This is a parts car and only a parts car from my point of view. $6k for a new engine or rebuild, full exhaust, interior and center console controls are going to need expensive attention... Right on. I remember reading about somebody's restoration of those silly window slats years ago and it was a huge job. When this car is fixed up it still won't be worth anything. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Oz Porch
Funny enough the pics are upside down. I guess it won't work here in the north american colonies. --R On 12/4/12 10:32 PM, Hendrik Fay wrote: I am sure the purists will make the usual noises. http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/semaphore/cars-vans-utes/1977-porsche-924-coupe/1009536457 Hendrik who is half tempted to buy that for daughter to drive but has no room ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Beltless
...Other than aircraft and stationary engines I can't think of any. Interesting question... It's the coming thing and whether it's going to be limited to high end cars is the question. The new Porsche direct injection 3.8 L 400 hp water cooled flat six in the 991 has only one belt which drives the alternator. The variable flow oil pumps (pressure and scavenge), variable flow water pumps and thermostats, power steering pump, and AC compressor (swash plate type) are all electric. Saves the hp to drive them thus improving fuel economy. Which trumps costs, apparently. MB's new 5.5 550hp Twin-Turbo V-8 uses the same technology and I would bet Audi has jumped on the same bandwagon. With that kind of power you can zip over to Costco in no time flat. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Oz Porch
Vertigo! Vertigo! Wilton - Original Message - From: Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 10:32 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT Oz Porch I am sure the purists will make the usual noises. http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/semaphore/cars-vans-utes/1977-porsche-924-coupe/1009536457 Hendrik who is half tempted to buy that for daughter to drive but has no room ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CL idiot of the week
Looking to the future 10 years out, a concours condition, unrusted original low miles and documented late model SL C will be worth a ton of money due to its sheer rarity.. On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 6:03 PM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote: You still need access to fresh air and defog. Chrysler ACC II is garbage, but maybe you could transplant one from a w126 On Dec 4, 2012, at 9:18 AM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 03/12/2012 8:47 PM, clay monroe wrote: http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/cto/3414876270.html The guy has not realistically thought out the future for this ride. This is a parts car and only a parts car from my point of view. $6k for a new engine or rebuild, full exhaust, interior and center console controls are going to need expensive attention. clay Hey, in Seattle you won't need A/C. That big gaping hole is the perfect spot to install your fancy double din stereo. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Oz Porch
If we crossed the equator, pix would appear right side up on our 'puters. Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD '73 Balboa 20 Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Funny enough the pics are upside down. I guess it won't work here in the north american colonies. --R On 12/4/12 10:32 PM, Hendrik Fay wrote: I am sure the purists will make the usual noises. http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/semaphore/cars-vans-utes/1977-porsche-924-coupe/1009536457 Hendrik who is half tempted to buy that for daughter to drive but has no room ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Oz Porch
You know what is really funny, is that when I saw the link, I thought, I wonder if the pictures are upside down? Then I opened the link, and sho nuff... --R On 12/4/12 11:24 PM, Max Dillon wrote: If we crossed the equator, pix would appear right side up on our 'puters. Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD '73 Balboa 20 Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Funny enough the pics are upside down. I guess it won't work here in the north american colonies. --R On 12/4/12 10:32 PM, Hendrik Fay wrote: I am sure the purists will make the usual noises. http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/semaphore/cars-vans-utes/1977-porsche-924-coupe/1009536457 Hendrik who is half tempted to buy that for daughter to drive but has no room ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Beltless
On Dec 4, 2012 10:07 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: ...Other than aircraft and stationary engines I can't think of any. Interesting question... It's the coming thing and whether it's going to be limited to high end cars is the question. Isn't the Prius beltless? I think the alternator is integrated with the starter and everything else is electric. (I think...) Maybe there's a belt in the CVT. Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Oz Porch
You know what is really funny, is that when I saw the link, I thought, I wonder if the pictures are upside down? Then I opened the link, and sho nuff... --R Well, of course! It is down under, so it is upside down! The whole time the Henifay crew wuz here, they kept walking on their heads. You shoulda seen it! Perfect porch for woger. It is already flying inverted. Its even gelb to match his rot MB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Beltless
So, let me get this straight. One belt drives the alternator. That alternator provides the electricity to run the electric motors, which turn the oil pump, water pump, compressor and power steering pump. And this saves horse power, converting torque into electricity and then back into torque again? The number of belts has stayed the same, the number of electric motors has increased by four, so I don't think any weight has been saved. I can see how selectively and temporarily removing loads when maximum acceleration is called for can make more power available to turn the driving wheels, but I don't see how this increases fuel economy. Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD '73 Balboa 20 relng...@aol.com wrote: ...Other than aircraft and stationary engines I can't think of any. Interesting question... It's the coming thing and whether it's going to be limited to high end cars is the question. The new Porsche direct injection 3.8 L 400 hp water cooled flat six in the 991 has only one belt which drives the alternator. The variable flow oil pumps (pressure and scavenge), variable flow water pumps and thermostats, power steering pump, and AC compressor (swash plate type) are all electric. Saves the hp to drive them thus improving fuel economy. Which trumps costs, apparently. MB's new 5.5 550hp Twin-Turbo V-8 uses the same technology and I would bet Audi has jumped on the same bandwagon. With that kind of power you can zip over to Costco in no time flat. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New E63
Ahh well, till it comes out you could practise with this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OUv2yFGw9E Hendrik who will not be dashing through the snow this year On 05/12/12 06:09, Rich Thomas wrote: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/1212_2014_mercedes_benz_e63_amg_4matic_development_mule_first_look/ With 4WD, just the thing for blasting through those snow drifts --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Warning lights? y5y4u3an
Curt, Never owned a W123 to compare the two, but I know I didn't have to take the steering wheel off of my '85 190D when I took the cluster out. If you take out the drivers side vent duct hose once you've removed the bottom panel unscrewed the speedo cable, you can reach around push out the cluster from behind on the left side. At least that's how I remember doing it...it's been awhile. - Chris J. On 12/4/2012 10:06 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: Pulling the cluster from a 201 is a lot harder than a 123. The steering wheel must come out, normal tools don't seem to work and you can't push it out from underneath... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Oz Porch
Yeah well, that's why you drove trucks in the sky and not sports planes. Hendrik who gets vertigo now and then, especially in high places On 05/12/12 14:38, WILTON wrote: Vertigo! Vertigo! Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 85, Issue 13
...Speaking of the refreshed '14 E-classit looks like 4matic will finally be available on the BlueTEC (diesel) model as well, if the preliminary ordering info that was recently shown is anything to go by!.. The undisguised production model is shown in the 11/29 Auto motor und Sport. I read previously that every body panel except one has been changed. It's much more attractive with new lights front and rear. The 3.5 265hp Bluetec will be avaliable in the ML GL next year so maybe that engine will be available in the E. No spare tire, like all Bluetecs. I saw a '13 ML at my dealer this week and it's 3.5 DI 302hp engine is now E85 compatible. Heavily equipped at $61,500. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Inverted 924
..I am sure the purists will make the usual noises... Avoid 924s. All of them. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Inverted 924
OK will save up money to buy poorly balanced rear engine version. Hendrik who spends his days checking the cars at U pull it for loose change On 05/12/12 16:03, relng...@aol.com wrote: ..I am sure the purists will make the usual noises... Avoid 924s. All of them. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: Beltless
And this saves horse power, converting torque into electricity and then back into torque again? ...I don't see how this increases fuel economy. Obviously because the _average_ load is much lower than the peak supply that the mechanical-only is capable of supplying. Enough so that it more than pays for the efficiency losses due to the double conversion. Think of the oil pressure relief valves, for example. My guess is the real savings are on water pump and cooling fan. But we still have cost, space, weight, and reliability issues to deal with. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
