Re: [MBZ] Cool Painting

[Chris James]

That's amazing, they're so lifelike!
Thanks for sharing!

On 4/17/2013 12:50 PM, Craig wrote:

On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 16:33:45 -0400 Dan Penoff  wrote:


Saw this and thought it was cool:

http://www.thisiscolossal.com/2013/04/three-dimensional-animals-painted-in-layers-of-resin-by-keng-lye/


It really is. Must have taken a lot of work!


Craig




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Re: [MBZ] repair climate control unit

[Dieselhead]

I am trying desperately to paint Rich as a stereotypical reactionary
southerner.  It isn't easy.


Now there's an outdated term  (reactionary)  I don't think I've heard 
that for 40 years, or close to it.


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Re: [MBZ] repair climate control unit

[ernest breakfield]

hi Randy!

there's lots of fiddly little bits of decades-old plastic in there, 
and even though i was as careful as i could be tearing it apart and 
reassembling it, i feel like a lot of the fact that i didn't really 
break anything wasn't just that i was really careful, it was just sheer 
dumb luck. and frankly, as precious as my time is, i couldn't charge 
enough to make it worth my while to take the risk of being liable for 
replacement of anything i were to screw it up.


if i were to terminally screw up something of my own, that's one 
thing, as i'm the one who suffers the consequences of my (mis)deeds.
were i to terminally screw up something of someone elses, i'd feel 
liable for it, and i'm just not in a position where i could replace 
anything i might break on something like these.



cheers!
e


On 23/Apr/13 13:38, Randy Bennell wrote:
But, if it did not work before you tried your magic on it, then he 
would not lose much would he?

IF it works, you are a hero. If it does not, he won't be out much.

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Guns

[clay]

You poor northerners.  I just head to the local Goodwill outlet store and load 
up on discarded ammunition, magazines and concealed carry fashions.  I am not 
joking.  I picked up a couple boxes of .410 slugs, two 20 load AR magazines in 
very nice condition, a leather and a newer plastic shoulder strap holster set 
up.  The leather fits a standard .38 snub, and the tactical one is good for a 
9mil.  All this by the pound @ $1.49/lb

clay

Got to love Seattle and the idiots they hire to sort donations


On Apr 23, 2013, at 3:35 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:

> Seems you all prefer to talk guns rather than MB these days so I just have to 
> join in.
> 
> My younger son, Tom came home with a new toy on Sunday.
> Don't ask me to remember the brand name but it is a nice little double barrel 
> 410 referred to as a coach gun if I recall.
> Made in Brazil I think.
> You folks south of the line can probably buy it much cheaper than we can but 
> Tom was happy with it. - On sale.
> The 410 shells are a lot more expensive than the 12 g.
> 
> What I want is a good high powered pellet gun to shoot squirels (or is that 
> squirrels?)  with out at the lake. Not supposed to discharge firearms where 
> the cottage is so need something silent.
> I cannot buy it unless I go upgrade my possession permit to an acquisition 
> permit which means I have to go to safety school for a day or two.
> I could get Tom to buy it as he has the PAL that I would need.
> 
> Randy
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Re: [MBZ] It starts in Park

[clay]

Well, maybe we will have to make a group buy of parts from the local dealership 
or parts supplier in your neck of the woods and see if Fed Ex will ship it over

clay

On Apr 23, 2013, at 12:38 PM, Howard Fulford wrote:

> Clay
> 
> Unfortunately, or maybe fortunately, the days of the 'scrappy' (scrapyard), or
> 'breakers', are almost over in the UK
> 
> People selling parts from dismantled cars on Ebay, and the advent of rigorous
> Health and Safety Regulations, led to their demise
> 
> I remember that, 30 yrs ago , when I started car ownership of, and tinkering
> with, VW Bugs, old-style yards with cars stacked 3 high were already on the
> way out, and yards had already started dismatling the cars for parts 
> themselves
> 
> Fond memories of either trying to smuggling parts out in your toolbox, past 
> the
> guys - they used to check - or tossing parts over the fence for later 
> collection ...
> 
> Not even sure where my nearest 'knacker' is !!
> 
> 
> Howard
> Bath
> England
> '97 200E 5-speed manual, 110244 miles
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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Gun Ownership

[Dieselhead]

If someone steals my insurance policy they can't turn around and kill me
with it.



You might be surprised what fambly members will do fer a dollah

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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Gun Ownership

[Dieselhead]

  Collectivism,
unfortunately, can justify anything if it's for the common good.

Scott


Iz fer da chilluns

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Re: [MBZ] Guns

[Dieselhead]

The lewis and clark air rifle was close to 2000 PSI.  That boggles my 
mind.  In 1800.




Airguns recoil before the pellet starts moving in the barrel


Spring guns, right?

The old American pump guns in .20 and .22 caliber are good small 
game guns if you don't mind pumping them up.


Wonder if you could fit 'em with an air chuck?  I doubt the pumped-up
pressure is more than you can get off a cheapie air compressor.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Flamin' WAS:repair climate control unit

[Andrew Strasfogel]

Got any data to back up that assertion?


On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 7:45 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:

> There is no faster political transition from left to right than a Harvard
> liberal who graduates and goes to work on Wall Street.
> Gerry
>
> From: "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com>
>
>
>  I have a friend who claims to be a "flaming liberal" but the actions I
>> seem him take are conservative/conservationist.  He is against thievery
>> (taxation at gunpoint) and a bit of a spendthrift.  When I point out how
>> his actions don't align with his professed philosophy, he gets mad.  It is
>> quite entertaining.
>>
>> I think Sir Winston said it best:
>> "If you're not a liberal when you're 20, you have no heart. If
>> you're not a conservative when you're 40, you have no head."
>>
>>  I don't know if he will become a Flaming Liberal after eating your hot
>>> pepper jelly, but he will have a flaming *** which some might find
>>> equivalent.
>>>
>>> --R (who recently made a desk sign for a friend who proclaimed herself
>>> to be a Flaming F* Liberal, which had her name, and below that "Flaming
>>> Liberal."  Upon seeing it, her mother asked, "why didn't he put Flaming
>>> F** Liberal on it?"  I actually need to fire up the CNC machine to make
>>> one for one of our County Councilmen who proclaimed himself to be a
>>> Bleeding Heart Liberal.  I guess while I am doing it I need to make one for
>>> Andrew...)
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/23/13 6:51 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>>>
 That's your opinion, and not germane to my pepper jelly, which is
 apolitical.  Unless, of course, you find it so awesomely delicious that
 you
 convert to Liberalism because its creator is a Flaming Liberal.

>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Guns

[Mitch Haley]

Jim Cathey wrote:

Airguns recoil before the pellet starts moving in the barrel


Spring guns, right?


Right, springers recoil. Springers advertising supersonic velocities recoil a 
lot.

The old American pump guns in .20 and .22 caliber are good small game 
guns if you don't mind pumping them up.


Wonder if you could fit 'em with an air chuck?  I doubt the pumped-up
pressure is more than you can get off a cheapie air compressor.


Pretty sure you'd be wrong. CO2 guns operate around 800psi and are less powerful 
than a comparable pneumatic (for example, a Crosman 140 shoots harder than a 
160). My precharged pneumatic, a Career 707, would need over 1000 psi in the 
reservoir to keep up with a fully pumped 50 year old Benjamin.


Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Gun Ownership

[Andrew Strasfogel]

If someone steals my insurance policy they can't turn around and kill me
with it.


On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Scott Ritchey  wrote:

>
> I think two points are worth making:
>
> One:  A firearm may be an important element in home protection but it's
> seldom the most important part.  Planning is the most important part.  But
> firearms become more important in rural areas, areas without nearby
> neighbors, and in cases where physical limitations limit fleeing.  Even so,
> planning is most critical: safe room location and configuration (doors,
> windows, cover, concealment, and clear lines of fire), drills/rehearsal,
> training family members, etc.
>
> Two:  The political issue is usually stated as left-right,
> liberal-conservative, etc.  This is misleading.  The real issue is
> individualism vs. collectivism.  Individualism is based on rights and
> responsibilities; there are lots of objective criteria here.  Collectivism,
> unfortunately, can justify anything if it's for the common good.
>
> Scott
>
> -
> G Mann wrote:
>
> Emmm.. faulty thinking... sorry to break the news to you.. but I don't own
> a gun to "protect you".. I own a gun, if I own one, to "Protect Me and
> those of my Family"...
>
>
> WILTON wrote:
>
> > How many people in those purple areas have humpteen guns each to "make
> up"
> > for those of us who have none?
> >
>
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Guns

[Dan Penoff]

I still have my Dad's Benjamin Model 132 .22 pump pistol.  While you're not 
going to sneak up on anything with it, you can sure do some serious damage once 
it's pumped and ready to fire.

I used to take out chicken of the trees in the woods next to our house where I 
grew up.  Our German Shepard would always accompany me, and she would catch and 
chew up the victims when they hit the ground.  She got to the point where if 
she heard the pistol being pumped she would get agitated and start barking (if 
she was in her kennel.)

I'm amazed that the seals haven't worn or dried out.  I take it out a few times 
a year and fire off a few rounds.

I wish I had one of their single pump rifles.

Dan

 
On Apr 23, 2013, at 9:52 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

> With airguns, it's not how much power, it's how far away can you reliably hit 
> a brain the size of a walnut with enough power to penetrate a rodent's skull.
> I haven't paid much attention to the advances in spring piston airguns over 
> the past ten years, but generally there's an inverse relationship between 
> power and accuracy, with the most powerful springers being somewhat 
> unpleasant to shoot. (not unpleasantly painful, just unpleasant, like driving 
> a rough riding Hyundai instead of a MBZ)
> 
> In the UK, lots of small game have been taken with rifles generating less 
> than 12 ft-lb of muzzle energy. If it's over 12ft-lb, you need a firearms 
> acquisition certificate (FAC) to buy it, you'll have to special order it, and 
> you might as well have purchased a cheaper firearm instead.
> 
> 12 ft-lb is a bit over 800 feet per second with a 7-8 grain .177 pellet, 
> slower with the .22 caliber rifles normally used for hunting.
> 
> A Beeman R7 or HW30 would be an example of a finely engineered, smooth 
> shooting gun with adequate (barely) power to kill a squirrel of rabbit out to 
> 30 yards or so.
> 
> On the absolute bottom end of the scale, my Daisy 717 target pistol (400 fps 
> with a 7 grain pellet) is barely adequate to kill a starling with a lung shot 
> at 10 meters. They din't fly away, but they usually hit the ground alive and 
> the cat had to finish them off. My Baikal IZH-46 target pistol shoots around 
> 500 fps and it kills starlings cleanly with a chest shot. The trick is to 
> position yourself 10M away from something they like to perch on, then the gun 
> is perfectly sighted in for the range, and you don't have to mess with the 
> sights between hunting and target shooting.
> 
> My first high power airgun is a heavy beast, advertised at 1100 fps. Will put 
> a flat nosed pellet all the way through a groundhog's skull. Drills a 
> perfectly round hole through 3/4" plywood too. It took a fair bit of practice 
> before I could shoot it to its potential. Airguns recoil before the pellet 
> starts moving in the barrel and my RWS 48 recoils a lot.
> 
> If I were to shoot tree rats, I'd probably get out my old Crosman 160 which 
> throws a .22 pellet about 650 fps with zero recoil. (but it's almost as loud 
> as a paintball gun)
> 
> The old American pump guns in .20 and .22 caliber are good small game guns if 
> you don't mind pumping them up. Crosman 140/1400 and Benjamin / Sheridan 
> rifles for example. I kind of regret selling all the new in box 1400s I got 
> my hands on about 15 years ago. Got around $175-200 each for them on eBay, 
> which seemed like too much to pass up at the time. The only pump-up I still 
> own is a .177 Benjamin made of nickel plated brass with walnut stocks, 
> similar to a Sheridan Silver Streak.
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Gun Ownership

[Scott Ritchey]

I think two points are worth making:

One:  A firearm may be an important element in home protection but it's
seldom the most important part.  Planning is the most important part.  But
firearms become more important in rural areas, areas without nearby
neighbors, and in cases where physical limitations limit fleeing.  Even so,
planning is most critical: safe room location and configuration (doors,
windows, cover, concealment, and clear lines of fire), drills/rehearsal,
training family members, etc.  

Two:  The political issue is usually stated as left-right,
liberal-conservative, etc.  This is misleading.  The real issue is
individualism vs. collectivism.  Individualism is based on rights and
responsibilities; there are lots of objective criteria here.  Collectivism,
unfortunately, can justify anything if it's for the common good.

Scott

-
G Mann wrote: 

Emmm.. faulty thinking... sorry to break the news to you.. but I don't own
a gun to "protect you".. I own a gun, if I own one, to "Protect Me and
those of my Family"...


WILTON wrote:

> How many people in those purple areas have humpteen guns each to "make up"
> for those of us who have none?
>





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Re: [MBZ] OT: shot Down in Flames gun propaganda!

[Mitch Haley]

G Mann wrote:

Only one Llllle problem doing that here. It's called
BATFE.. if you make gun parts without a license... ooops!!.. mandatory jail
time upon conviction. Federal prison and conviction.. but a felony.. none
the less. Of course, you will have the opportunity to make "intimate new
friends" while in jail.. ;)


Only if you make receivers for resale without a manufacturer's license, or if 
you make machine guns without paying the $200 tax. You can make whatever you 
like, if not machine gun or other NFA item or destructive device, for your 
personal use as far as federal laws are concerned.


I almost made myself an AK (actually, an AMD-65) when TAPCO had an introductory 
special on parts kits, seems like it was around $125 for two, but they raised 
the price before I got my order in and I balked at the increase. Now they go for 
$300 each !!!

http://whatacountry.com/amd-65-parts-kit.aspx

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Re: [MBZ] Guns

[Jim Cathey]

Airguns recoil before the pellet starts moving in the barrel


Spring guns, right?

The old American pump guns in .20 and .22 caliber are good small game 
guns if you don't mind pumping them up.


Wonder if you could fit 'em with an air chuck?  I doubt the pumped-up
pressure is more than you can get off a cheapie air compressor.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Gun Ownership

[Jim Cathey]

Also, I and many other gun owners would likely try to come to the 
defense of

an unarmed fellow citizen in time of need if circumstances allowed.


I'd like to think I wouldn't require such a fellow citizen to be unarmed
in order to help!

I breathe easier knowing that I have all necessary insurance
policies, for every reasonable danger to our health and welfare.
I think we're protected against just about everything...
except Congress!

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Guns

[Mitch Haley]

Gerry Archer wrote:
Saw a pellet gun with a silencer a while back; may have been at 
Walmart.  It was something like 1000 fps which seems to be the highest 
fps available in stores.  I wonder how many fps would be required to 
kill a squirrel at moderate distance?
Gerrywhose squirrels seem to be increasing since the red tailed 
hawks left.


With airguns, it's not how much power, it's how far away can you reliably hit a 
brain the size of a walnut with enough power to penetrate a rodent's skull.
I haven't paid much attention to the advances in spring piston airguns over the 
past ten years, but generally there's an inverse relationship between power and 
accuracy, with the most powerful springers being somewhat unpleasant to shoot. 
(not unpleasantly painful, just unpleasant, like driving a rough riding Hyundai 
instead of a MBZ)


In the UK, lots of small game have been taken with rifles generating less than 
12 ft-lb of muzzle energy. If it's over 12ft-lb, you need a firearms acquisition 
certificate (FAC) to buy it, you'll have to special order it, and you might as 
well have purchased a cheaper firearm instead.


12 ft-lb is a bit over 800 feet per second with a 7-8 grain .177 pellet, slower 
with the .22 caliber rifles normally used for hunting.


A Beeman R7 or HW30 would be an example of a finely engineered, smooth shooting 
gun with adequate (barely) power to kill a squirrel of rabbit out to 30 yards or 
so.


On the absolute bottom end of the scale, my Daisy 717 target pistol (400 fps 
with a 7 grain pellet) is barely adequate to kill a starling with a lung shot at 
10 meters. They din't fly away, but they usually hit the ground alive and the 
cat had to finish them off. My Baikal IZH-46 target pistol shoots around 500 fps 
and it kills starlings cleanly with a chest shot. The trick is to position 
yourself 10M away from something they like to perch on, then the gun is 
perfectly sighted in for the range, and you don't have to mess with the sights 
between hunting and target shooting.


My first high power airgun is a heavy beast, advertised at 1100 fps. Will put a 
flat nosed pellet all the way through a groundhog's skull. Drills a perfectly 
round hole through 3/4" plywood too. It took a fair bit of practice before I 
could shoot it to its potential. Airguns recoil before the pellet starts moving 
in the barrel and my RWS 48 recoils a lot.


If I were to shoot tree rats, I'd probably get out my old Crosman 160 which 
throws a .22 pellet about 650 fps with zero recoil. (but it's almost as loud as 
a paintball gun)


The old American pump guns in .20 and .22 caliber are good small game guns if 
you don't mind pumping them up. Crosman 140/1400 and Benjamin / Sheridan rifles 
for example. I kind of regret selling all the new in box 1400s I got my hands on 
about 15 years ago. Got around $175-200 each for them on eBay, which seemed like 
too much to pass up at the time. The only pump-up I still own is a .177 Benjamin 
made of nickel plated brass with walnut stocks, similar to a Sheridan Silver 
Streak.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Paint Colors

[Dieselhead]

For paint colors, I like these:
http://www.heckflosse.nl/excol4.htm
http://www.heckflosse.nl/incol4.htm
http://www.heckflosse.nl/excolccv.htm






On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 19:56:22 -0400 Dan Penoff  wrote:


 Interesting web site with MB paint colors over time:

 http://www.meinbenz.de/farben/107/Farbcodes107.htm


Well, they are for 107s, but still are interesting.

Craig


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Re: [MBZ] OT: shot Down in Flames gun propaganda!

[clay]

IT is a fair size and you could post half at a time

clay

On Apr 22, 2013, at 5:31 PM, WILTON wrote:

> Possibly, but how can I post the entire 5 pages without having all of it in 
> the main body of the post?  I can easily post it, but it's a bit long, isn't 
> it?
> 
> Wilton
> 
> - Original Message - From: "clay" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 8:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: shot Down in Flames gun propaganda!
> 
> 
>> A very good piece that I think the group might be able to appreciate.
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> On Apr 22, 2013, at 7:25 AM, WILTON wrote:
>> 
>>> Clay, I just sent to you off-list a copy of a composition I finished 
>>> recently about bombing the jungle and other related ridiculous policies 
>>> that prolonged the Vietnam War and led to having the names of more than 
>>> 58000 brave, young Americans etched into that black granite wall of honor 
>>> in DC.
>>> 
>>> The attachment is 5 pages - probably a little long to post on the List, 
>>> though I'd like for everybody to see it - I think it is very relevant for 
>>> all of us.
>>> 
>>> Wilton
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "clay" 
>>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 8:55 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: shot Down in Flames gun propaganda!
>>> 
>>> 
 As Wilton is very aware, you can drop tons and tons of ordinance on palm 
 trees and dense jungles all day, all week and all year long with minimal 
 effect on the will of the opposition to keep on shooting the boys on the 
 ground.
 
 We flew bombers over German cities and turned them into firestorms fierce 
 enough to turn stone to dust, as well as bounce the rubble of houses and 
 factories all night long, but the war still ground on.  The air power was 
 helpful, but the boys on the ground still had to dodge bullets and mop up 
 that mess before it was over.
 
 Japan was made to glow in the early morning light of two August days 
 before they were willing to consider calling it quits.  Air power 
 devastated the Islands and cities thereon.  We did not get a chance to 
 lose our boys on the ground in Japan, but a great many did perish in the 
 Pacific war.
 
 Syria is using its air power, but most of the real fighting is on the 
 ground.  Iran and Iraq flew and bombed, but again, the boys on the ground 
 did most of the work.  George HW Bush took 100 days to liberate Kuwait, 
 and that took boots on the ground, after the flyboys had expended their 
 loads.  Even the Soviets in Afghanistan were bedeviled by ground fire 
 while tooling about in gunships.  We are not doing any better there than 
 the Ruskies, and over in Saddamistan, we declared victory in a few short 
 weeks due to air support, but took another eight years on the ground 
 before we gave up.  To the guys on the street corners with guns.
 
 clay
 
 
 
 On Apr 20, 2013, at 8:06 PM, Hendrik and fay wrote:
 
> So the basis of that dribble is that if the citizens of Germany, Russia, 
> Japan, etc had been armed that there would not have been as many deaths 
> or the dictatorships would not have happened?
> I don't think so.
> The pro gun mob always wheel out this sort of thing because it is easy to 
> understand by the average gun owner, however the reality is that you 
> can't fight a modern army with the stuff you buy at walmart. Sure back in 
> the day when the most sophisticated military hardware was rifles and 
> cannons, you could fight an army but these days airpower is the key to 
> victory and I did not see any fighter jets or attack helicopters in the 
> gun shops. Perhaps Wilton has a B-52 stashed away in the back yard, just 
> in case or a few might have build a mini drone to spy on the neighbours 
> but I really can't see that doing much.
> However I am happy enough for the gun crowd to have their little 
> delusions if it makes them feel happy and secure.
> No point in alarming people.
> 
> Hendrik
> 
> 
> On 21/04/13 05:32, Scott Ritchey wrote:
>> I echo Max's view.  This was indeed an interesting read.
>> 
>> The main reason the pro-gun community opposes National registration is 
>> fear
>> of government (including our own).  I'm certain that some on this list
>> believe that fear of our own government is simply nuts, paranoia.  I'm 
>> just
>> as sure many Weimar Germans felt that way too; after all, Germany was the
>> most civilized country on the planet.
>> 
>> I encountered this little clip that may provide some historical 
>> perspective
>> and food for thought:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=0sujnvIV4g4
>> I haven't audited the numbers but, from memory, they are at least close.
>> 
>> Scott
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>

Re: [MBZ] OT: shot Down in Flames gun propaganda!

[Greg Fiorentino]

Readily available online.  Partially made receivers can be legally purchased
in the US.  A semi-auto AK can be legally manufactured by anyone who may
legally possess such a rifle, as long as he is manufacturing it for his own
use only. I don't know if any sort of license is required to do so.  Such
partially made receivers are also available for the AR15 type semi-auto
rifles.  Other necessary parts are not controlled by BATFE and are available
for purchase by anyone.

Of course Canadian laws are different.

Greg  

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From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Randy
Bennell
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 3:30 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: shot Down in Flames gun propaganda!


Now I am not gun nut, but I would like to try that.
Anyone got the plans for an AK?
I have a mill and a couple of lathes and no real idea how to use them.
Got to start somewhere.

Randy

On 21/04/2013 8:01 PM, clay wrote:
> The Paki gunsmiths are making the arms for the insurgents.   Making an AK
is child's play for these guys.  I think it was History channel that had the
documentary about some white boy from england land that went looking at this
issue.  He walked to these bitty towns in the middle of arid noplace and was
able to get the guys to make and sell him a few while he waited.  Cost him
all of an Andrew Jackson per gun, and the maker tossed in the first 100
rounds.
>
> clay
>
> On Apr 20, 2013, at 9:13 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote:
>
>> << you can't fight a modern army with the stuff you buy at walmart.>>
>>
>> The Afghanis didn't even need a Walmart.  I've seen videos of Afghani 
>> craftsmen making Enfield rifles with foot-powered lathes.  Perhaps 
>> they now can make AK-47s using this kind of crude technology.  Modern 
>> warfare still can't take and hold large territories without massive 
>> numbers of boots on the ground.
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of 
>> Hendrik and fay
>> Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 8:06 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: shot Down in Flames gun propaganda!
>>
>> So the basis of that dribble is that if the citizens of Germany, 
>> Russia, Japan, etc had been armed that there would not have been as 
>> many deaths or the dictatorships would not have happened?
>> I don't think so.
>> The pro gun mob always wheel out this sort of thing because it is 
>> easy to understand by the average gun owner, however the reality is 
>> that you can't fight a modern army with the stuff you buy at walmart. 
>> Sure back in the day when the most sophisticated military hardware 
>> was rifles and cannons, you could fight an army but these days 
>> airpower is the key to victory and I did not see any fighter jets or 
>> attack helicopters in the gun shops. Perhaps Wilton has a B-52 
>> stashed away in the back yard, just in case or a few might have build 
>> a mini drone to spy on the neighbours but I really can't see that doing
much.
>> However I am happy enough for the gun crowd to have their little 
>> delusions if it makes them feel happy and secure.
>> No point in alarming people.
>>
>> Hendrik
>>
>>
>> On 21/04/13 05:32, Scott Ritchey wrote:
>>> I echo Max's view.  This was indeed an interesting read.
>>>
>>> The main reason the pro-gun community opposes National registration 
>>> is fear of government (including our own).  I'm certain that some on 
>>> this list believe that fear of our own government is simply nuts,
paranoia.
>>> I'm just as sure many Weimar Germans felt that way too; after all, 
>>> Germany was the most civilized country on the planet.
>>>
>>> I encountered this little clip that may provide some historical 
>>> perspective and food for thought:
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=0sujnvIV4g4
>>> I haven't audited the numbers but, from memory, they are at least close.
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Of Max Dillon
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for sharing that link, always enjoyable to read a 
>>> well-reasoned and researched explanation of any part of our
constitution.
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: shot Down in Flames gun propaganda!

[Mitch Haley]

Randy Bennell wrote:


Now I am not gun nut, but I would like to try that.
Anyone got the plans for an AK?
I have a mill and a couple of lathes and no real idea how to use them.
Got to start somewhere.


http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=25304

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Re: [MBZ] Volkswagen brings out Iphone connected car

[Mitch Haley]

Curt Raymond wrote:

(I'm not super happy with the iPhone, its not a very good phone)


My LG840 is the worst phone I've ever owned.
It's the best pocket electronic toy I've had though.

My niece's iPhone is an even worse phone, and a much better toy.

Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Gun Ownership

[Greg Fiorentino]

I like to compare owning a gun for self-defense to fire insurance.  Most
people will never use it, but you're quite up the proverbial creek if you
need it but don't have it.

All the countries in the world that I am aware of are populated by Homo
Sapiens, some of whom are whack jobs and some of whom are 99 and 44/100 pure
evil.  The nicest and safest neighborhoods have a few of those here as well.
Read the local news.

Greg

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Ritchey
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 5:31 PM
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fw: Gun Ownership


I don't worry about my house burning down but I still have circuit breakers
on all circuits (spark-fault interrupters on some), smoke alarms. fire
extinguishers, and a plan (plans actually) in case I smell smoke or hear an
alarm.

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From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Randy
Bennell
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 4:36 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fw: Gun Ownership

I generally try to stay out of the gun nonsense on here, but let me suggest
that if you truly feel you need a gun to protect you in your own home, you
should think seriously about moving, maybe out of the USA, to some place
where there are not so many guns and whack jobs carting them around.

I live in a city of reasonable size and I really don't worry about being
attacked in my own home. If I were to wander into some of the dark alleys
down in the core area at night, carrying a box of beer, that might be a
different story, but out here in the suburbs, I don't worry at all.

Randy


On 23/04/2013 12:20 AM, Scott Ritchey wrote:
> I think two points are worth making:
>
> One:  A firearm may be an important element in home protection but 
> it's seldom the most important part.  Planning is the most important 
> part.  But firearms become more important in rural areas, areas 
> without nearby neighbors, and in cases where physical limitations 
> limit fleeing.  Even
so,
> planning is most critical: safe room location and configuration 
> (doors, windows, cover, concealment, and clear lines of fire), 
> drills/rehearsal, training family members, etc.
>
> Two:  The political issue is usually stated as left-right, 
> liberal-conservative, etc.  This is misleading.  The real issue is 
> individualism vs. collectivism.  Individualism is based on rights and 
> responsibilities; there are lots of objective criteria here.
Collectivism,
> unfortunately, can justify anything if it's for the common good.
>
> Scott
>
> -
> G Mann wrote:
>
> Emmm.. faulty thinking... sorry to break the news to you.. but I don't 
> own a gun to "protect you".. I own a gun, if I own one, to "Protect Me 
> and those of my Family"...
>
>
> WILTON wrote:
>
>> How many people in those purple areas have humpteen guns each to 
>> "make
up"
>> for those of us who have none?
>>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Gun Ownership

[Mitch Haley]

Randy Bennell wrote:
I generally try to stay out of the gun nonsense on here, but let me 
suggest that if you truly feel you need a gun to protect you in your own 
home, you should think seriously about moving, maybe out of the USA, to 
some place where there are not so many guns and whack jobs carting them 
around.


Just think of it like fire insurance.
Nobody says 'if you need $500 a year worth of insurance because you're afraid 
your house will catch fire, you should seriously think about moving'.


That $500 gun is a one-time, not annual, purchase.
Needing to defend yourself from home invaders or from a fire are similar in 
probability. The good news is that 'hot' (occupied) home invasions are less 
common where armed homeowners are more common. In the UK, for example, it seems 
like the burglars prefer to hit the home while there are people in it. In most 
parts of the USA, they'd much rather do it in broad daylight so they can come 
and go while you're away at work.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: shot Down in Flames gun propaganda!

[Dieselhead]

Only one Llllle problem doing that here. It's called
BATFE.. if you make gun parts without a license... ooops!!.. mandatory jail
time upon conviction. Federal prison and conviction.. but a felony.. none
the less. Of course, you will have the opportunity to make "intimate new
friends" while in jail.. ;)

So.. paperwork.. lots of it... waiting for background checks.. lots of
them.. waiting for license approval.. 6 months is "light speed"... Repeat
as necessary for State and Local regulations.

In the Dara region [about 1/2 way between Peshawar and Landi Kotal
{Afghanistan border city, the name means "city of thieves"} such regulation
compliance is not an issue.. imagine that...

 I'm thinking you will have plenty of time to learn to use the machines
like you want to actually make the gun parts.

"We're from the government, and we are not happy until you are not happy"

;))
Grant...



But Randy lives in PRC, not USA.  PRC has other lawz

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Re: [MBZ] OT: shot Down in Flames gun propaganda!

[Dieselhead]

Grant said it. 


Ref 18 U.S.C. § 922 (a) It shall be unlawful -
(1) for any person -
(A) except a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or
licensed dealer, to engage in the business of importing,
manufacturing, or dealing in firearms, or in the course of such
business to ship, transport, or receive any firearm in
interstate or foreign commerce; or


Bzzt.   Randy lives in PRC, not in the USA.  So 
the above quoted law does not apply


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Re: [MBZ] Paint Colors

[Craig]

On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 19:56:22 -0400 Dan Penoff  wrote:

> Interesting web site with MB paint colors over time:
> 
> http://www.meinbenz.de/farben/107/Farbcodes107.htm

Well, they are for 107s, but still are interesting.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Gun Ownership

[Scott Ritchey]

I don't worry about my house burning down but I still have circuit breakers
on all circuits (spark-fault interrupters on some), smoke alarms. fire
extinguishers, and a plan (plans actually) in case I smell smoke or hear an
alarm.

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From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Randy
Bennell
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 4:36 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fw: Gun Ownership

I generally try to stay out of the gun nonsense on here, but let me 
suggest that if you truly feel you need a gun to protect you in your own 
home, you should think seriously about moving, maybe out of the USA, to 
some place where there are not so many guns and whack jobs carting them 
around.

I live in a city of reasonable size and I really don't worry about being 
attacked in my own home. If I were to wander into some of the dark 
alleys down in the core area at night, carrying a box of beer, that 
might be a different story, but out here in the suburbs, I don't worry 
at all.

Randy


On 23/04/2013 12:20 AM, Scott Ritchey wrote:
> I think two points are worth making:
>
> One:  A firearm may be an important element in home protection but it's
> seldom the most important part.  Planning is the most important part.  But
> firearms become more important in rural areas, areas without nearby
> neighbors, and in cases where physical limitations limit fleeing.  Even
so,
> planning is most critical: safe room location and configuration (doors,
> windows, cover, concealment, and clear lines of fire), drills/rehearsal,
> training family members, etc.
>
> Two:  The political issue is usually stated as left-right,
> liberal-conservative, etc.  This is misleading.  The real issue is
> individualism vs. collectivism.  Individualism is based on rights and
> responsibilities; there are lots of objective criteria here.
Collectivism,
> unfortunately, can justify anything if it's for the common good.
>
> Scott
>
> -
> G Mann wrote:
>
> Emmm.. faulty thinking... sorry to break the news to you.. but I don't own
> a gun to "protect you".. I own a gun, if I own one, to "Protect Me and
> those of my Family"...
>
>
> WILTON wrote:
>
>> How many people in those purple areas have humpteen guns each to "make
up"
>> for those of us who have none?
>>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: shot Down in Flames gun propaganda!

[Scott Ritchey]

Grant said it.  

Ref 18 U.S.C. § 922 (a) It shall be unlawful -
(1) for any person -
(A) except a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or
licensed dealer, to engage in the business of importing,
manufacturing, or dealing in firearms, or in the course of such
business to ship, transport, or receive any firearm in
interstate or foreign commerce; or

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of G Mann
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 7:37 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: shot Down in Flames gun propaganda!

Only one Llllle problem doing that here. It's called
BATFE.. if you make gun parts without a license... ooops!!.. mandatory jail
time upon conviction. Federal prison and conviction.. but a felony.. none
the less. Of course, you will have the opportunity to make "intimate new
friends" while in jail.. ;)

So.. paperwork.. lots of it... waiting for background checks.. lots of
them.. waiting for license approval.. 6 months is "light speed"... Repeat
as necessary for State and Local regulations.

In the Dara region [about 1/2 way between Peshawar and Landi Kotal
{Afghanistan border city, the name means "city of thieves"} such regulation
compliance is not an issue.. imagine that...

 I'm thinking you will have plenty of time to learn to use the machines
like you want to actually make the gun parts.

"We're from the government, and we are not happy until you are not happy"

;))
Grant...


On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:

>
> Now I am not gun nut, but I would like to try that.
> Anyone got the plans for an AK?
> I have a mill and a couple of lathes and no real idea how to use them.
> Got to start somewhere.
>
> Randy
>
> On 21/04/2013 8:01 PM, clay wrote:
>
>> The Paki gunsmiths are making the arms for the insurgents.   Making an AK
>> is child's play for these guys.  I think it was History channel that had
>> the documentary about some white boy from england land that went looking
at
>> this issue.  He walked to these bitty towns in the middle of arid noplace
>> and was able to get the guys to make and sell him a few while he waited.
>>  Cost him all of an Andrew Jackson per gun, and the maker tossed in the
>> first 100 rounds.
>>
>> clay
>>
>> On Apr 20, 2013, at 9:13 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote:
>>
>>  << you can't fight a modern army with the stuff you buy at walmart.>>
>>>
>>> The Afghanis didn't even need a Walmart.  I've seen videos of Afghani
>>> craftsmen making Enfield rifles with foot-powered lathes.  Perhaps they
>>> now
>>> can make AK-47s using this kind of crude technology.  Modern warfare
>>> still
>>> can't take and hold large territories without massive numbers of boots
on
>>> the ground.
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Mercedes
[mailto:mercedes-bounces@**okiebenz.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Hendrik
>>> and fay
>>> Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 8:06 PM
>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: shot Down in Flames gun propaganda!
>>>
>>> So the basis of that dribble is that if the citizens of Germany, Russia,
>>> Japan, etc had been armed that there would not have been as many deaths
>>> or
>>> the dictatorships would not have happened?
>>> I don't think so.
>>> The pro gun mob always wheel out this sort of thing because it is easy
to
>>> understand by the average gun owner, however the reality is that you
>>> can't
>>> fight a modern army with the stuff you buy at walmart. Sure back in the
>>> day
>>> when the most sophisticated military hardware was rifles and cannons,
you
>>> could fight an army but these days airpower is the key to victory and I
>>> did
>>> not see any fighter jets or attack helicopters in the gun shops. Perhaps
>>> Wilton has a B-52 stashed away in the back yard, just in case or a few
>>> might
>>> have build a mini drone to spy on the neighbours but I really can't see
>>> that
>>> doing much.
>>> However I am happy enough for the gun crowd to have their little
>>> delusions
>>> if it makes them feel happy and secure.
>>> No point in alarming people.
>>>
>>> Hendrik
>>>
>>>
>>> On 21/04/13 05:32, Scott Ritchey wrote:
>>>
 I echo Max's view.  This was indeed an interesting read.

 The main reason the pro-gun community opposes National registration is
 fear of government (including our own).  I'm certain that some on this
 list believe that fear of our own government is simply nuts, paranoia.
 I'm just as sure many Weimar Germans felt that way too; after all,
 Germany was the most civilized country on the planet.

 I encountered this little clip that may provide some historical
 perspective and food for thought:

http://www.youtube.com/watch_**popup?v=0sujnvIV4g4
 I haven't audited the numbers but, from memory, they are at least
close.

 Scott


 -Original Message-
 From: Of Max Dillon


>

Re: [MBZ] Guns

[OK Don]

Pump -- barrel breaks, one "pump".


On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> Pump action or CO2?
>
> Dan
>
>
> On Apr 23, 2013, at 7:49 PM, OK Don wrote:
>
> > We bought a Crossman Vantage last year to replace the plastic Daisy that
> is
> > breaking apart. It weighs, feels, and sounds like a firearm - no way is
> it
> > quiet. Other than that, it's a great pellet gun for the price.
>
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[MBZ] Paint Colors

[Dan Penoff]

Interesting web site with MB paint colors over time:

http://www.meinbenz.de/farben/107/Farbcodes107.htm

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] Guns

[Dan Penoff]

Pump action or CO2?

Dan


On Apr 23, 2013, at 7:49 PM, OK Don wrote:

> We bought a Crossman Vantage last year to replace the plastic Daisy that is
> breaking apart. It weighs, feels, and sounds like a firearm - no way is it
> quiet. Other than that, it's a great pellet gun for the price.


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Re: [MBZ] Guns

[OK Don]

We bought a Crossman Vantage last year to replace the plastic Daisy that is
breaking apart. It weighs, feels, and sounds like a firearm - no way is it
quiet. Other than that, it's a great pellet gun for the price.


On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:

> Seems you all prefer to talk guns rather than MB these days so I just have
> to join in.
>
> My younger son, Tom came home with a new toy on Sunday.
> Don't ask me to remember the brand name but it is a nice little double
> barrel 410 referred to as a coach gun if I recall.
> Made in Brazil I think.
> You folks south of the line can probably buy it much cheaper than we can
> but Tom was happy with it. - On sale.
> The 410 shells are a lot more expensive than the 12 g.
>
> What I want is a good high powered pellet gun to shoot squirels (or is
> that squirrels?)  with out at the lake. Not supposed to discharge firearms
> where the cottage is so need something silent.
> I cannot buy it unless I go upgrade my possession permit to an acquisition
> permit which means I have to go to safety school for a day or two.
> I could get Tom to buy it as he has the PAL that I would need.
>
> Randy
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Re: [MBZ] Guns

[Craig]

On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 16:42:10 -0700 G Mann  wrote:

> Most curious. Where do you live that you have to have a "acquisition
> permit" to even buy an air rifle?

Look at his email address: rbenn...@bennell.ca

A suffix of .ca is for Canadian email addresses.


Craig


> 
> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Randy Bennell 
> wrote:

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Re: [MBZ] Flamin' WAS:repair climate control unit

[Gerry Archer]

There is no faster political transition from left to right than a Harvard 
liberal who graduates and goes to work on Wall Street.

Gerry

From: "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com>


I have a friend who claims to be a "flaming liberal" but the actions I seem 
him take are conservative/conservationist.  He is against thievery 
(taxation at gunpoint) and a bit of a spendthrift.  When I point out how 
his actions don't align with his professed philosophy, he gets mad.  It is 
quite entertaining.


I think Sir Winston said it best:
"If you're not a liberal when you're 20, you have no heart. If
you're not a conservative when you're 40, you have no head."

I don't know if he will become a Flaming Liberal after eating your hot 
pepper jelly, but he will have a flaming *** which some might find 
equivalent.


--R (who recently made a desk sign for a friend who proclaimed herself to 
be a Flaming F* Liberal, which had her name, and below that "Flaming 
Liberal."  Upon seeing it, her mother asked, "why didn't he put Flaming 
F** Liberal on it?"  I actually need to fire up the CNC machine to 
make one for one of our County Councilmen who proclaimed himself to be a 
Bleeding Heart Liberal.  I guess while I am doing it I need to make one 
for Andrew...)



On 4/23/13 6:51 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

That's your opinion, and not germane to my pepper jelly, which is
apolitical.  Unless, of course, you find it so awesomely delicious that 
you

convert to Liberalism because its creator is a Flaming Liberal.




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Re: [MBZ] Guns

[G Mann]

Most curious. Where do you live that you have to have a "acquisition
permit" to even buy an air rifle?

And if you are that tightly controlled and your son buys it for you, are
you then "both guilty of some high crime"?

Grant...
Who takes his spurs off in polite company.. but never his gun ;))


On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:

> Seems you all prefer to talk guns rather than MB these days so I just have
> to join in.
>
> My younger son, Tom came home with a new toy on Sunday.
> Don't ask me to remember the brand name but it is a nice little double
> barrel 410 referred to as a coach gun if I recall.
> Made in Brazil I think.
> You folks south of the line can probably buy it much cheaper than we can
> but Tom was happy with it. - On sale.
> The 410 shells are a lot more expensive than the 12 g.
>
> What I want is a good high powered pellet gun to shoot squirels (or is
> that squirrels?)  with out at the lake. Not supposed to discharge firearms
> where the cottage is so need something silent.
> I cannot buy it unless I go upgrade my possession permit to an acquisition
> permit which means I have to go to safety school for a day or two.
> I could get Tom to buy it as he has the PAL that I would need.
>
> Randy
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Re: [MBZ] OT: shot Down in Flames gun propaganda!

[G Mann]

Only one Llllle problem doing that here. It's called
BATFE.. if you make gun parts without a license... ooops!!.. mandatory jail
time upon conviction. Federal prison and conviction.. but a felony.. none
the less. Of course, you will have the opportunity to make "intimate new
friends" while in jail.. ;)

So.. paperwork.. lots of it... waiting for background checks.. lots of
them.. waiting for license approval.. 6 months is "light speed"... Repeat
as necessary for State and Local regulations.

In the Dara region [about 1/2 way between Peshawar and Landi Kotal
{Afghanistan border city, the name means "city of thieves"} such regulation
compliance is not an issue.. imagine that...

 I'm thinking you will have plenty of time to learn to use the machines
like you want to actually make the gun parts.

"We're from the government, and we are not happy until you are not happy"

;))
Grant...


On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:

>
> Now I am not gun nut, but I would like to try that.
> Anyone got the plans for an AK?
> I have a mill and a couple of lathes and no real idea how to use them.
> Got to start somewhere.
>
> Randy
>
> On 21/04/2013 8:01 PM, clay wrote:
>
>> The Paki gunsmiths are making the arms for the insurgents.   Making an AK
>> is child's play for these guys.  I think it was History channel that had
>> the documentary about some white boy from england land that went looking at
>> this issue.  He walked to these bitty towns in the middle of arid noplace
>> and was able to get the guys to make and sell him a few while he waited.
>>  Cost him all of an Andrew Jackson per gun, and the maker tossed in the
>> first 100 rounds.
>>
>> clay
>>
>> On Apr 20, 2013, at 9:13 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote:
>>
>>  << you can't fight a modern army with the stuff you buy at walmart.>>
>>>
>>> The Afghanis didn't even need a Walmart.  I've seen videos of Afghani
>>> craftsmen making Enfield rifles with foot-powered lathes.  Perhaps they
>>> now
>>> can make AK-47s using this kind of crude technology.  Modern warfare
>>> still
>>> can't take and hold large territories without massive numbers of boots on
>>> the ground.
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Mercedes 
>>> [mailto:mercedes-bounces@**okiebenz.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Hendrik
>>> and fay
>>> Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 8:06 PM
>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: shot Down in Flames gun propaganda!
>>>
>>> So the basis of that dribble is that if the citizens of Germany, Russia,
>>> Japan, etc had been armed that there would not have been as many deaths
>>> or
>>> the dictatorships would not have happened?
>>> I don't think so.
>>> The pro gun mob always wheel out this sort of thing because it is easy to
>>> understand by the average gun owner, however the reality is that you
>>> can't
>>> fight a modern army with the stuff you buy at walmart. Sure back in the
>>> day
>>> when the most sophisticated military hardware was rifles and cannons, you
>>> could fight an army but these days airpower is the key to victory and I
>>> did
>>> not see any fighter jets or attack helicopters in the gun shops. Perhaps
>>> Wilton has a B-52 stashed away in the back yard, just in case or a few
>>> might
>>> have build a mini drone to spy on the neighbours but I really can't see
>>> that
>>> doing much.
>>> However I am happy enough for the gun crowd to have their little
>>> delusions
>>> if it makes them feel happy and secure.
>>> No point in alarming people.
>>>
>>> Hendrik
>>>
>>>
>>> On 21/04/13 05:32, Scott Ritchey wrote:
>>>
 I echo Max's view.  This was indeed an interesting read.

 The main reason the pro-gun community opposes National registration is
 fear of government (including our own).  I'm certain that some on this
 list believe that fear of our own government is simply nuts, paranoia.
 I'm just as sure many Weimar Germans felt that way too; after all,
 Germany was the most civilized country on the planet.

 I encountered this little clip that may provide some historical
 perspective and food for thought:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch_**popup?v=0sujnvIV4g4
 I haven't audited the numbers but, from memory, they are at least close.

 Scott


 -Original Message-
 From: Of Max Dillon


 Thanks for sharing that link, always enjoyable to read a well-reasoned
 and researched explanation of any part of our constitution.


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Re: [MBZ] Guns

[WILTON]

I shoot pigeons off the edge of the gutters and the widow's walk WAY up 
there with my Crossman pellet gun.  SWMBO has hard time understanding 
(because of my hands tremor) how I can hit anything.  Always tell her, 
"Easy - no tremor with gun touching fence post or tree."


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Max Dillon" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Guns


How much does the license cost?  Would that license allow you to 
mail-order an airgun from the USA?  How about bring said airgun back 
across the boarder if you made a trip?


Maybe a sling-shot would be easier-cheaper?  As a kid I killed more than a 
few that way.  Of course our dogs would immediately dispatch any squirrel 
which was merely stunned but fell out of the tree.  Maybe get a dog too?


--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20

Randy Bennell  wrote:


Seems you all prefer to talk guns rather than MB these days so I just
have to join in.

My younger son, Tom came home with a new toy on Sunday.
Don't ask me to remember the brand name but it is a nice little double
barrel 410 referred to as a coach gun if I recall.
Made in Brazil I think.
You folks south of the line can probably buy it much cheaper than we
can
but Tom was happy with it. - On sale.
The 410 shells are a lot more expensive than the 12 g.

What I want is a good high powered pellet gun to shoot squirels (or is
that squirrels?)  with out at the lake. Not supposed to discharge
firearms where the cottage is so need something silent.
I cannot buy it unless I go upgrade my possession permit to an
acquisition permit which means I have to go to safety school for a day
or two.
I could get Tom to buy it as he has the PAL that I would need.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Guns

[Gerry Archer]

Saw a pellet gun with a silencer a while back; may have been at Walmart.  It 
was something like 1000 fps which seems to be the highest fps available in 
stores.  I wonder how many fps would be required to kill a squirrel at 
moderate distance?
Gerrywhose squirrels seem to be increasing since the red tailed hawks 
left.


From: "Randy Bennell" 
Seems you all prefer to talk guns rather than MB these days so I just have 
to join in.

My younger son, Tom came home with a new toy on Sunday.
Don't ask me to remember the brand name but it is a nice little double 
barrel 410 referred to as a coach gun if I recall.

Made in Brazil I think.
You folks south of the line can probably buy it much cheaper than we can 
but Tom was happy with it. - On sale.

The 410 shells are a lot more expensive than the 12 g.
What I want is a good high powered pellet gun to shoot squirels (or is 
that squirrels?)  with out at the lake. Not supposed to discharge firearms 
where the cottage is so need something silent.
I cannot buy it unless I go upgrade my possession permit to an acquisition 
permit which means I have to go to safety school for a day or two.

I could get Tom to buy it as he has the PAL that I would need.
Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Guns

[Max Dillon]

How much does the license cost?  Would that license allow you to mail-order an 
airgun from the USA?  How about bring said airgun back across the boarder if 
you made a trip?

Maybe a sling-shot would be easier-cheaper?  As a kid I killed more than a few 
that way.  Of course our dogs would immediately dispatch any squirrel which was 
merely stunned but fell out of the tree.  Maybe get a dog too? 

-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20

Randy Bennell  wrote:

>Seems you all prefer to talk guns rather than MB these days so I just 
>have to join in.
>
>My younger son, Tom came home with a new toy on Sunday.
>Don't ask me to remember the brand name but it is a nice little double 
>barrel 410 referred to as a coach gun if I recall.
>Made in Brazil I think.
>You folks south of the line can probably buy it much cheaper than we
>can 
>but Tom was happy with it. - On sale.
>The 410 shells are a lot more expensive than the 12 g.
>
>What I want is a good high powered pellet gun to shoot squirels (or is 
>that squirrels?)  with out at the lake. Not supposed to discharge 
>firearms where the cottage is so need something silent.
>I cannot buy it unless I go upgrade my possession permit to an 
>acquisition permit which means I have to go to safety school for a day 
>or two.
>I could get Tom to buy it as he has the PAL that I would need.
>
>Randy
>
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Re: [MBZ] Guns

[Dieselhead]

Seems you all prefer to talk guns rather than MB these days so I 
just have to join in.


My younger son, Tom came home with a new toy on Sunday.
Don't ask me to remember the brand name but it is a nice little 
double barrel 410 referred to as a coach gun if I recall.

Made in Brazil I think.
You folks south of the line can probably buy it much cheaper than we 
can but Tom was happy with it. - On sale.

The 410 shells are a lot more expensive than the 12 g.

What I want is a good high powered pellet gun to shoot squirels (or 
is that squirrels?)  with out at the lake. Not supposed to discharge 
firearms where the cottage is so need something silent.
I cannot buy it unless I go upgrade my possession permit to an 
acquisition permit which means I have to go to safety school for a 
day or two.

I could get Tom to buy it as he has the PAL that I would need.

Randy


I used to hunt with a 410, but to shoot trap I had to get a 12.  the 
12 could be reloaded, as can 20 but they are more expensive than 12, 
so no advantage.  410s are expensive to use compared to a 12, but 
better for hunting. (provided you have a good eye)


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Re: [MBZ] repair climate control unit

[Dieselhead]

I just voted today for the most conservative candidate for DC Council, who
is even more reactionary than the sole Republican running in the race, who
was endorsed by the Washington Post and the Sierra Club!!

Odds are that the R will win, as the 6 Ds on the ballot will split the
"liberal" vote..


There is always hope!  ;)

When the chips are down most 'merkuns will do the right thing.

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[MBZ] Guns

[Randy Bennell]

Seems you all prefer to talk guns rather than MB these days so I just 
have to join in.


My younger son, Tom came home with a new toy on Sunday.
Don't ask me to remember the brand name but it is a nice little double 
barrel 410 referred to as a coach gun if I recall.

Made in Brazil I think.
You folks south of the line can probably buy it much cheaper than we can 
but Tom was happy with it. - On sale.

The 410 shells are a lot more expensive than the 12 g.

What I want is a good high powered pellet gun to shoot squirels (or is 
that squirrels?)  with out at the lake. Not supposed to discharge 
firearms where the cottage is so need something silent.
I cannot buy it unless I go upgrade my possession permit to an 
acquisition permit which means I have to go to safety school for a day 
or two.

I could get Tom to buy it as he has the PAL that I would need.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] OT: shot Down in Flames gun propaganda!

[Randy Bennell]

Now I am not gun nut, but I would like to try that.
Anyone got the plans for an AK?
I have a mill and a couple of lathes and no real idea how to use them.
Got to start somewhere.

Randy

On 21/04/2013 8:01 PM, clay wrote:

The Paki gunsmiths are making the arms for the insurgents.   Making an AK is 
child's play for these guys.  I think it was History channel that had the 
documentary about some white boy from england land that went looking at this 
issue.  He walked to these bitty towns in the middle of arid noplace and was 
able to get the guys to make and sell him a few while he waited.  Cost him all 
of an Andrew Jackson per gun, and the maker tossed in the first 100 rounds.

clay

On Apr 20, 2013, at 9:13 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote:


<< you can't fight a modern army with the stuff you buy at walmart.>>

The Afghanis didn't even need a Walmart.  I've seen videos of Afghani
craftsmen making Enfield rifles with foot-powered lathes.  Perhaps they now
can make AK-47s using this kind of crude technology.  Modern warfare still
can't take and hold large territories without massive numbers of boots on
the ground.

Greg

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Hendrik
and fay
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 8:06 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: shot Down in Flames gun propaganda!

So the basis of that dribble is that if the citizens of Germany, Russia,
Japan, etc had been armed that there would not have been as many deaths or
the dictatorships would not have happened?
I don't think so.
The pro gun mob always wheel out this sort of thing because it is easy to
understand by the average gun owner, however the reality is that you can't
fight a modern army with the stuff you buy at walmart. Sure back in the day
when the most sophisticated military hardware was rifles and cannons, you
could fight an army but these days airpower is the key to victory and I did
not see any fighter jets or attack helicopters in the gun shops. Perhaps
Wilton has a B-52 stashed away in the back yard, just in case or a few might
have build a mini drone to spy on the neighbours but I really can't see that
doing much.
However I am happy enough for the gun crowd to have their little delusions
if it makes them feel happy and secure.
No point in alarming people.

Hendrik


On 21/04/13 05:32, Scott Ritchey wrote:

I echo Max's view.  This was indeed an interesting read.

The main reason the pro-gun community opposes National registration is
fear of government (including our own).  I'm certain that some on this
list believe that fear of our own government is simply nuts, paranoia.
I'm just as sure many Weimar Germans felt that way too; after all,
Germany was the most civilized country on the planet.

I encountered this little clip that may provide some historical
perspective and food for thought:
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=0sujnvIV4g4
I haven't audited the numbers but, from memory, they are at least close.

Scott


-Original Message-
From: Of Max Dillon


Thanks for sharing that link, always enjoyable to read a well-reasoned
and researched explanation of any part of our constitution.



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[MBZ] Flamin' WAS:repair climate control unit

[Dieselhead]

I have a friend who claims to be a "flaming liberal" but the actions 
I seem him take are conservative/conservationist.  He is against 
thievery (taxation at gunpoint) and a bit of a spendthrift.  When I 
point out how his actions don't align with his professed philosophy, 
he gets mad.  It is quite entertaining.


I think Sir Winston said it best:
"If you're not a liberal when you're 20, you have no heart. If
you're not a conservative when you're 40, you have no head."

I don't know if he will become a Flaming Liberal after eating your 
hot pepper jelly, but he will have a flaming *** which some 
might find equivalent.


--R (who recently made a desk sign for a friend who proclaimed 
herself to be a Flaming F* Liberal, which had her name, and 
below that "Flaming Liberal."  Upon seeing it, her mother asked, 
"why didn't he put Flaming F** Liberal on it?"  I actually need 
to fire up the CNC machine to make one for one of our County 
Councilmen who proclaimed himself to be a Bleeding Heart Liberal.  I 
guess while I am doing it I need to make one for Andrew...)



On 4/23/13 6:51 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

That's your opinion, and not germane to my pepper jelly, which is
apolitical.  Unless, of course, you find it so awesomely delicious that you
convert to Liberalism because its creator is a Flaming Liberal.




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Re: [MBZ] Volkswagen brings out Iphone connected car

[Dieselhead]

 I need another adapter to use a firewire drive or connect to a 
camera and finally I need a thunderbolt to Ethernet adapter since 
there are no physical Ethernet ports and our storage doesn't support 
wireless (because its slow...)


So $3,000 for the laptop and if I were to buy them from Apple 
another $200 in adapters...


Monoprice.com is your friend.   (for cables and adapters)

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Re: [MBZ] repair climate control unit

[Andrew Strasfogel]

I just voted today for the most conservative candidate for DC Council, who
is even more reactionary than the sole Republican running in the race, who
was endorsed by the Washington Post and the Sierra Club!!

Odds are that the R will win, as the 6 Ds on the ballot will split the
"liberal" vote..

So this effectively demolishes all your sterotypes in one fell swoop.


On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 4:40 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:

> "Flaiming F** Jelly Maker" ???
>
> Randy
>
>
> On 23/04/2013 9:12 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:
>
>> I don't know if he will become a Flaming Liberal after eating your hot
>> pepper jelly, but he will have a flaming *** which some might find
>> equivalent.
>>
>> --R (who recently made a desk sign for a friend who proclaimed herself to
>> be a Flaming F* Liberal, which had her name, and below that "Flaming
>> Liberal."  Upon seeing it, her mother asked, "why didn't he put Flaming
>> F** Liberal on it?"  I actually need to fire up the CNC machine to make
>> one for one of our County Councilmen who proclaimed himself to be a
>> Bleeding Heart Liberal. I guess while I am doing it I need to make one for
>> Andrew...)
>>
>>
>> On 4/23/13 6:51 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>>
>>> That's your opinion, and not germane to my pepper jelly, which is
>>> apolitical.  Unless, of course, you find it so awesomely delicious that
>>> you
>>> convert to Liberalism because its creator is a Flaming Liberal.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Gun Ownership

[Andrew Strasfogel]

I have two 18 pound black attack cats who look like mini panthers and would
discourage any would be intruders.  One of them purrs so loudly the walls
shake; the other will eat any human food whether or not you offer it to
him.  His lack of table manners is truly scary.

On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 5:40 PM, WILTON  wrote:

> If I were worried about such, I'd be trying to move, too.
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "Randy Bennell" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 4:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fw: Gun Ownership
>
>
>
> I generally try to stay out of the gun nonsense on here, but let me
>> suggest that if you truly feel you need a gun to protect you in your own
>> home, you should think seriously about moving, maybe out of the USA, to
>> some place where there are not so many guns and whack jobs carting them
>> around.
>>
>> I live in a city of reasonable size and I really don't worry about being
>> attacked in my own home. If I were to wander into some of the dark alleys
>> down in the core area at night, carrying a box of beer, that might be a
>> different story, but out here in the suburbs, I don't worry at all.
>>
>> Randy
>>
>>
>> On 23/04/2013 12:20 AM, Scott Ritchey wrote:
>>
>>> I think two points are worth making:
>>>
>>> One:  A firearm may be an important element in home protection but it's
>>> seldom the most important part.  Planning is the most important part. But
>>> firearms become more important in rural areas, areas without nearby
>>> neighbors, and in cases where physical limitations limit fleeing.  Even
>>> so,
>>> planning is most critical: safe room location and configuration (doors,
>>> windows, cover, concealment, and clear lines of fire), drills/rehearsal,
>>> training family members, etc.
>>>
>>> Two:  The political issue is usually stated as left-right,
>>> liberal-conservative, etc.  This is misleading.  The real issue is
>>> individualism vs. collectivism.  Individualism is based on rights and
>>> responsibilities; there are lots of objective criteria here.
>>> Collectivism,
>>> unfortunately, can justify anything if it's for the common good.
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> -
>>> G Mann wrote:
>>>
>>> Emmm.. faulty thinking... sorry to break the news to you.. but I don't
>>> own
>>> a gun to "protect you".. I own a gun, if I own one, to "Protect Me and
>>> those of my Family"...
>>>
>>>
>>> WILTON wrote:
>>>
>>> How many people in those purple areas have humpteen guns each to "make
 up"
 for those of us who have none?


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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Gun Ownership

[WILTON]

If I were worried about such, I'd be trying to move, too.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Randy Bennell" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fw: Gun Ownership


I generally try to stay out of the gun nonsense on here, but let me suggest 
that if you truly feel you need a gun to protect you in your own home, you 
should think seriously about moving, maybe out of the USA, to some place 
where there are not so many guns and whack jobs carting them around.


I live in a city of reasonable size and I really don't worry about being 
attacked in my own home. If I were to wander into some of the dark alleys 
down in the core area at night, carrying a box of beer, that might be a 
different story, but out here in the suburbs, I don't worry at all.


Randy


On 23/04/2013 12:20 AM, Scott Ritchey wrote:

I think two points are worth making:

One:  A firearm may be an important element in home protection but it's
seldom the most important part.  Planning is the most important part. 
But

firearms become more important in rural areas, areas without nearby
neighbors, and in cases where physical limitations limit fleeing.  Even 
so,

planning is most critical: safe room location and configuration (doors,
windows, cover, concealment, and clear lines of fire), drills/rehearsal,
training family members, etc.

Two:  The political issue is usually stated as left-right,
liberal-conservative, etc.  This is misleading.  The real issue is
individualism vs. collectivism.  Individualism is based on rights and
responsibilities; there are lots of objective criteria here. 
Collectivism,

unfortunately, can justify anything if it's for the common good.

Scott

-
G Mann wrote:

Emmm.. faulty thinking... sorry to break the news to you.. but I don't 
own

a gun to "protect you".. I own a gun, if I own one, to "Protect Me and
those of my Family"...


WILTON wrote:

How many people in those purple areas have humpteen guns each to "make 
up"

for those of us who have none?






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Re: [MBZ] Volkswagen brings out Iphone connected car

[Randy Bennell]

On 23/04/2013 3:50 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

Until the iPhone 6 comes out and has a new connector which is completely 
incompatible with existing iPhone connectors...



The perfect excuse to trade in your old car for a new one.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Volkswagen brings out Iphone connected car

[Curt Raymond]

Until the iPhone 6 comes out and has a new connector which is completely 
incompatible with existing iPhone connectors...

I've been "Macifying" this year at work, switched to an iPhone and recently got 
a new Macbook. This has been a major PITA because I now need a stack of 
adapters. The iPhone uses its own secret cord which is unlike everybody else. 
The laptop has its own special video adapter so to connect to a projector I 
need an adapter. I need another adapter to use a firewire drive or connect to a 
camera and finally I need a thunderbolt to Ethernet adapter since there are no 
physical Ethernet ports and our storage doesn't support wireless (because its 
slow...)

So $3,000 for the laptop and if I were to buy them from Apple another $200 in 
adapters...

Plus just the normal frustrations in moving to a new computer.

It is an awesome laptop (I'm not super happy with the iPhone, its not a very 
good phone) but if Apple's gestures (I'm talking about the trackpad here) were 
so intuitive as they say they are I wouldn't have to look them up which I have 
to do, frequently...

-Curt

Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 12:34:23 -0400
From: "Gerry Archer" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Subject: [MBZ] Volkswagen brings out Iphone connected car
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original

(snip) The fruits of the Apple and Volkswagen love-in have resulted in a car 
with a special iPhone dock stuck in the centre of the dashboard.
The car will allow drivers to access Spotify or iTunes, have their Twitter 
messages read out loud or send virtual, geo-located postcards to friends.
It will also gather all sorts of stats for big data aficionados, using a 
g-force meter to measure lateral acceleration as well as oil and coolant 
heat gauges to take the engine's temperature. There is also a chronometer 
and a compass, for anyone who distrusts the onboard 'trainer' system, which 
compares driving times, distances, and fuel economy values for different 
routes. (snip)

  http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/04/22/apple_volkswagen_ipod/ 

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Re: [MBZ] repair climate control unit

[Randy Bennell]

"Flaiming F** Jelly Maker" ???

Randy


On 23/04/2013 9:12 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:
I don't know if he will become a Flaming Liberal after eating your hot 
pepper jelly, but he will have a flaming *** which some might find 
equivalent.


--R (who recently made a desk sign for a friend who proclaimed herself 
to be a Flaming F* Liberal, which had her name, and below that 
"Flaming Liberal."  Upon seeing it, her mother asked, "why didn't he 
put Flaming F** Liberal on it?"  I actually need to fire up the 
CNC machine to make one for one of our County Councilmen who 
proclaimed himself to be a Bleeding Heart Liberal. I guess while I am 
doing it I need to make one for Andrew...)



On 4/23/13 6:51 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

That's your opinion, and not germane to my pepper jelly, which is
apolitical.  Unless, of course, you find it so awesomely delicious 
that you

convert to Liberalism because its creator is a Flaming Liberal.






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Re: [MBZ] repair climate control unit

[Randy Bennell]

On 23/04/2013 8:51 AM, ernest breakfield wrote:

hi Andrew!

while i'm flattered by your confidence in my ability after my only 
doing this *once*, i'm not sure i'd be willing to try this on someone 
elses stuff.


bummer, because the jelly sounds very appealing;-)


cheers!
e

But, if it did not work before you tried your magic on it, then he would 
not lose much would he?

IF it works, you are a hero. If it does not, he won't be out much.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Gun Ownership

[Randy Bennell]

I generally try to stay out of the gun nonsense on here, but let me 
suggest that if you truly feel you need a gun to protect you in your own 
home, you should think seriously about moving, maybe out of the USA, to 
some place where there are not so many guns and whack jobs carting them 
around.


I live in a city of reasonable size and I really don't worry about being 
attacked in my own home. If I were to wander into some of the dark 
alleys down in the core area at night, carrying a box of beer, that 
might be a different story, but out here in the suburbs, I don't worry 
at all.


Randy


On 23/04/2013 12:20 AM, Scott Ritchey wrote:

I think two points are worth making:

One:  A firearm may be an important element in home protection but it's
seldom the most important part.  Planning is the most important part.  But
firearms become more important in rural areas, areas without nearby
neighbors, and in cases where physical limitations limit fleeing.  Even so,
planning is most critical: safe room location and configuration (doors,
windows, cover, concealment, and clear lines of fire), drills/rehearsal,
training family members, etc.

Two:  The political issue is usually stated as left-right,
liberal-conservative, etc.  This is misleading.  The real issue is
individualism vs. collectivism.  Individualism is based on rights and
responsibilities; there are lots of objective criteria here.  Collectivism,
unfortunately, can justify anything if it's for the common good.

Scott

-
G Mann wrote:

Emmm.. faulty thinking... sorry to break the news to you.. but I don't own
a gun to "protect you".. I own a gun, if I own one, to "Protect Me and
those of my Family"...


WILTON wrote:


How many people in those purple areas have humpteen guns each to "make up"
for those of us who have none?






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Re: [MBZ] It starts in Park

[Dieselhead]

In my week of driving around the midlands almost 15 years ago, I only 
saw one yard, and it had no MBs.




Clay

Unfortunately, or maybe fortunately, the days of the 'scrappy' (scrapyard), or
'breakers', are almost over in the UK

People selling parts from dismantled cars on Ebay, and the advent of rigorous
Health and Safety Regulations, led to their demise

I remember that, 30 yrs ago , when I started car ownership of, and tinkering
with, VW Bugs, old-style yards with cars stacked 3 high were already on the
way out, and yards had already started dismatling the cars for parts 
themselves


Fond memories of either trying to smuggling parts out in your 
toolbox, past the
guys - they used to check - or tossing parts over the fence for 
later collection ...


Not even sure where my nearest 'knacker' is !!


Howard
Bath
England
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Re: [MBZ] It starts in Park

[Howard Fulford]

Clay

Unfortunately, or maybe fortunately, the days of the 'scrappy' 
(scrapyard), or

'breakers', are almost over in the UK

People selling parts from dismantled cars on Ebay, and the advent of 
rigorous

Health and Safety Regulations, led to their demise

I remember that, 30 yrs ago , when I started car ownership of, and tinkering
with, VW Bugs, old-style yards with cars stacked 3 high were already on the
way out, and yards had already started dismatling the cars for parts 
themselves


Fond memories of either trying to smuggling parts out in your toolbox, 
past the
guys - they used to check - or tossing parts over the fence for later 
collection ...


Not even sure where my nearest 'knacker' is !!


Howard
Bath
England
'97 200E 5-speed manual, 110244 miles

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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Gun Ownership

[Greg Fiorentino]

<< turnabout is fair play, isn't it?>>

Heck yes!

That was one of my thoughts too!  I have a close buddy who is an anti-gun
liberal (also a former Marine).  I would certainly put myself at risk to
defend him if necessary.

Greg

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of WILTON
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 10:23 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fw: Gun Ownership

What Greg said.  Grant, I was merely talkin' 'bout statistics - nothing
else.  BTW, I'm not depending on my neighbors to protect me, though maybe I 
should, if I could - after all, turnabout is fair play, isn't it?   ;<)

Wilton

- Original Message -
From: "Greg Fiorentino" 
To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fw: Gun Ownership


>I don't read Wilton's post that way.  I expect he was simply saying that 
>the
> number of guns divided by the number of people doesn't give an accurate
> metric of the percentage of people with guns, since some (okay, probably
> many) gun owners own more than one.
>
> Also, I and many other gun owners would likely try to come to the defense 
> of
> an unarmed fellow citizen in time of need if circumstances allowed.
>
> Greg
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of G Mann
> Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 8:19 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fw: Gun Ownership
>
> WILTON wrote:
>
>> How many people in those purple areas have humpteen guns each to "make 
>> up"
>> for those of us who have none?
>>
>
> Emmm.. faulty thinking... sorry to break the news to you.. but I don't own

> a
> gun to "protect you".. I own a gun, if I own one, to "Protect Me and those
> of my Family".
>
> You and those like you who are unable to protect yourself die first.. that
> is how nature works. You have a front door on your house which has the 
> duty
> to protect you and your family. You have the option to leave that door 
> open
> and unlocked, or closed and locked.. you are free to choose.  As soon as
> that door no longer protects you, you have other options to choose from,
> presuming you have not given up those options by pre-choice.
>
> On the other hand, the door on my house serves yet a different purpose. It
> is there to protect the individuals who would make the unwise choice to
> breach that barrier without permission. At that moment, they have options
> which they may choose from, presuming they have not given up those options
> by pre-choice.
>
> This is not a zero sum game. If I have two guns, one is not to "make up"
> for you not having made the choice to exercise the Right to Self Defense.
>
> In the emotion ridden present day climate, there are many who want to make
> this a fight about guns. It is not. The real core issue is who takes
> responsibility for your personal self defense. The founding fathers of the
> country understood this and made that responsibility reside with the 
> citizen
> by ensuring the Right to keep and bare arms "Shall not be infringed"[in
> pertinent part here].
>
> They did not say "call 911 and wait" or "vomit on your attacker" or "try
> peeing on them to scare them away", the language chosen was very specific
> and legally powerful language [look up "shall" in Blacks law dictionary,
> Not,and "Infringe" also].
>
> Your expectation is that I will fully support your choice to not defend
> yourself by being armed, which I do. My expectation is that you will fully
> support my choice to defend myself and provide my own means to do so, 
> which
> I am not getting the feeling of full support.
>
> "When seconds count, the police are only minutes away" has a lot more
> meaning to me since the courts have repeatedly ruled that the police have 
> NO
> duty to protect citizens.
>
> Just a few thoughts to stimulate your thinking process perhaps.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Grant...
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:
>
>> WILTON wrote:
>>
>>> How many people in those purple areas have humpteen guns each to
>>> "make up" for those of us who have none?
>>>
>>
>> If I'd have to think about it for a couple of minutes to tell you the
>> exact number of firearms, and would need to do a physical inventory if
>> you wanted to know how many airguns and bows I have, am I one of those
> people?
>>
>> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Gun Ownership

[WILTON]

What Greg said.  Grant, I was merely talkin' 'bout statistics - nothing 
else.  BTW, I'm not depending on my neighbors to protect me, though maybe I 
should, if I could - after all, turnabout is fair play, isn't it?   ;<)


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Greg Fiorentino" 

To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fw: Gun Ownership


I don't read Wilton's post that way.  I expect he was simply saying that 
the

number of guns divided by the number of people doesn't give an accurate
metric of the percentage of people with guns, since some (okay, probably
many) gun owners own more than one.

Also, I and many other gun owners would likely try to come to the defense 
of

an unarmed fellow citizen in time of need if circumstances allowed.

Greg

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Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 8:19 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fw: Gun Ownership

WILTON wrote:

How many people in those purple areas have humpteen guns each to "make 
up"

for those of us who have none?



Emmm.. faulty thinking... sorry to break the news to you.. but I don't own 
a

gun to "protect you".. I own a gun, if I own one, to "Protect Me and those
of my Family".

You and those like you who are unable to protect yourself die first.. that
is how nature works. You have a front door on your house which has the 
duty
to protect you and your family. You have the option to leave that door 
open

and unlocked, or closed and locked.. you are free to choose.  As soon as
that door no longer protects you, you have other options to choose from,
presuming you have not given up those options by pre-choice.

On the other hand, the door on my house serves yet a different purpose. It
is there to protect the individuals who would make the unwise choice to
breach that barrier without permission. At that moment, they have options
which they may choose from, presuming they have not given up those options
by pre-choice.

This is not a zero sum game. If I have two guns, one is not to "make up"
for you not having made the choice to exercise the Right to Self Defense.

In the emotion ridden present day climate, there are many who want to make
this a fight about guns. It is not. The real core issue is who takes
responsibility for your personal self defense. The founding fathers of the
country understood this and made that responsibility reside with the 
citizen

by ensuring the Right to keep and bare arms "Shall not be infringed"[in
pertinent part here].

They did not say "call 911 and wait" or "vomit on your attacker" or "try
peeing on them to scare them away", the language chosen was very specific
and legally powerful language [look up "shall" in Blacks law dictionary,
Not,and "Infringe" also].

Your expectation is that I will fully support your choice to not defend
yourself by being armed, which I do. My expectation is that you will fully
support my choice to defend myself and provide my own means to do so, 
which

I am not getting the feeling of full support.

"When seconds count, the police are only minutes away" has a lot more
meaning to me since the courts have repeatedly ruled that the police have 
NO

duty to protect citizens.

Just a few thoughts to stimulate your thinking process perhaps.

Respectfully,

Grant...


On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:


WILTON wrote:


How many people in those purple areas have humpteen guns each to
"make up" for those of us who have none?



If I'd have to think about it for a couple of minutes to tell you the
exact number of firearms, and would need to do a physical inventory if
you wanted to know how many airguns and bows I have, am I one of those

people?


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Gun Ownership

[Scott Ritchey]

Sorry.  I don't know how this double post occurred as my PC was completely
off at the "sent" time.  It must have been some kind of AOL glitch.  Scott

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Ritchey
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 6:46 AM
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fw: Gun Ownership


I think two points are worth making:

One:  A firearm may be an important element in home protection but it's
seldom the most important part.  Planning is the most important part.  But
firearms become more important in rural areas, areas without nearby
neighbors, and in cases where physical limitations limit fleeing.  Even so,
planning is most critical: safe room location and configuration (doors,
windows, cover, concealment, and clear lines of fire), drills/rehearsal,
training family members, etc.  

Two:  The political issue is usually stated as left-right,
liberal-conservative, etc.  This is misleading.  The real issue is
individualism vs. collectivism.  Individualism is based on rights and
responsibilities; there are lots of objective criteria here.  Collectivism,
unfortunately, can justify anything if it's for the common good.

Scott

-
G Mann wrote: 

Emmm.. faulty thinking... sorry to break the news to you.. but I don't own
a gun to "protect you".. I own a gun, if I own one, to "Protect Me and
those of my Family"...


WILTON wrote:

> How many people in those purple areas have humpteen guns each to "make up"
> for those of us who have none?
>





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[MBZ] Volkswagen brings out Iphone connected car

[Gerry Archer]

(snip) The fruits of the Apple and Volkswagen love-in have resulted in a car 
with a special iPhone dock stuck in the centre of the dashboard.
The car will allow drivers to access Spotify or iTunes, have their Twitter 
messages read out loud or send virtual, geo-located postcards to friends.
It will also gather all sorts of stats for big data aficionados, using a 
g-force meter to measure lateral acceleration as well as oil and coolant 
heat gauges to take the engine's temperature. There is also a chronometer 
and a compass, for anyone who distrusts the onboard 'trainer' system, which 
compares driving times, distances, and fuel economy values for different 
routes. (snip)


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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Gun Ownership

[Greg Fiorentino]

I don't read Wilton's post that way.  I expect he was simply saying that the
number of guns divided by the number of people doesn't give an accurate
metric of the percentage of people with guns, since some (okay, probably
many) gun owners own more than one.

Also, I and many other gun owners would likely try to come to the defense of
an unarmed fellow citizen in time of need if circumstances allowed.

Greg

-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 8:19 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fw: Gun Ownership

WILTON wrote:

> How many people in those purple areas have humpteen guns each to "make up"
> for those of us who have none?
>

Emmm.. faulty thinking... sorry to break the news to you.. but I don't own a
gun to "protect you".. I own a gun, if I own one, to "Protect Me and those
of my Family".

You and those like you who are unable to protect yourself die first.. that
is how nature works. You have a front door on your house which has the duty
to protect you and your family. You have the option to leave that door open
and unlocked, or closed and locked.. you are free to choose.  As soon as
that door no longer protects you, you have other options to choose from,
presuming you have not given up those options by pre-choice.

On the other hand, the door on my house serves yet a different purpose. It
is there to protect the individuals who would make the unwise choice to
breach that barrier without permission. At that moment, they have options
which they may choose from, presuming they have not given up those options
by pre-choice.

This is not a zero sum game. If I have two guns, one is not to "make up"
for you not having made the choice to exercise the Right to Self Defense.

In the emotion ridden present day climate, there are many who want to make
this a fight about guns. It is not. The real core issue is who takes
responsibility for your personal self defense. The founding fathers of the
country understood this and made that responsibility reside with the citizen
by ensuring the Right to keep and bare arms "Shall not be infringed"[in
pertinent part here].

They did not say "call 911 and wait" or "vomit on your attacker" or "try
peeing on them to scare them away", the language chosen was very specific
and legally powerful language [look up "shall" in Blacks law dictionary,
Not,and "Infringe" also].

Your expectation is that I will fully support your choice to not defend
yourself by being armed, which I do. My expectation is that you will fully
support my choice to defend myself and provide my own means to do so, which
I am not getting the feeling of full support.

"When seconds count, the police are only minutes away" has a lot more
meaning to me since the courts have repeatedly ruled that the police have NO
duty to protect citizens.

Just a few thoughts to stimulate your thinking process perhaps.

Respectfully,

Grant...


On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> WILTON wrote:
>
>> How many people in those purple areas have humpteen guns each to 
>> "make up" for those of us who have none?
>>
>
> If I'd have to think about it for a couple of minutes to tell you the 
> exact number of firearms, and would need to do a physical inventory if 
> you wanted to know how many airguns and bows I have, am I one of those
people?
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Martha Returns!

[Craig]

On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 09:59:46 -0400 Dan Penoff  wrote:

> That's what I like about single stage paints - there is usually enough
> paint that you can get aggressive and have something to work with. The
> older MB paints of the 60s and 70s are like this - they like to get
> chalky and oxidize, but there is so much material there it's easy to
> polish the finish out and recover it nicely.

I found that true on our '72 220D/8. With Classic Car Wax (which
apparently is no longer made) I could get it looking just wonderful,
though it took a lot of hand work.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] repair climate control unit

[WILTON]

It is appealing; 'been trying to think of something else I could do for 'im. 
;<)


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "ernest breakfield" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] repair climate control unit



hi Andrew!

while i'm flattered by your confidence in my ability after my only 
doing this *once*, i'm not sure i'd be willing to try this on someone 
elses stuff.


bummer, because the jelly sounds very appealing;-)


cheers!
e

On 22/Apr/13 07:17, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

Want to tackle my ACC module via mail order?  Will barter for home made
jalapeno pepper jelly, made with my organically grown non-partisan hot 
and

sweet peppers and other natural resources.

On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 6:19 PM, WILTON  wrote:


ATTABOY!

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "ernest breakfield"

To: 
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] repair climate control unit



Rick (et al),
 i just wanted to report back on this issue with my '85 300D; with 
the
help of the instructions below i was able to get the ACC unit out of 
the
car, and disassemble the unit (without breaking anything!). while no 
cracks
were visible to the naked eye, under the microscope in a clients lab 
there

cracks in the solder joints exactly where indicated in the link.
 a skillful tech claimed it looked like there hadn't been enough
solder used at manufacture, and was able to re-solder all the joints in 
a
more suitable fashion. (we also tested and verified all the relays at 
the

same time.)

 i managed to reassemble and reinstall the unit (without breaking
anything!), and the first few days of testing seem to indicate that 
it's

working perfectly.

 thanks to all who contributed on this; now that temps are ranging
from low 40s to over 80, it's much appreciated to have a working 
Climate

Control!


cheers!
e



On 07/Mar/13 17:02, Rick Hawkins Java wrote:


here's a link
http://w123maintenance.**blogspot.com/2007/10/**
automatic-climate-control-**unit-repair.html


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Re: [MBZ] repair climate control unit

[Rich Thomas]

I don't know if he will become a Flaming Liberal after eating your hot 
pepper jelly, but he will have a flaming *** which some might find 
equivalent.


--R (who recently made a desk sign for a friend who proclaimed herself 
to be a Flaming F* Liberal, which had her name, and below that 
"Flaming Liberal."  Upon seeing it, her mother asked, "why didn't he put 
Flaming F** Liberal on it?"  I actually need to fire up the CNC 
machine to make one for one of our County Councilmen who proclaimed 
himself to be a Bleeding Heart Liberal.  I guess while I am doing it I 
need to make one for Andrew...)



On 4/23/13 6:51 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

That's your opinion, and not germane to my pepper jelly, which is
apolitical.  Unless, of course, you find it so awesomely delicious that you
convert to Liberalism because its creator is a Flaming Liberal.



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Re: [MBZ] Martha Returns!

[Dan Penoff]

3M Imperial Hand Glaze is good stuff, and something that works well for more 
modern vehicles with clear coat finishes, especially dark finishes that easily 
show swirl marks.

Understand that a glaze is essentially a very fine compound used to fill 
scratches after polishing. It's not a wax.

If you want to wax a car using 3M products, I recommend their Perfect-It Show 
Car Wax. Excellent stuff and very easy to apply.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

On Apr 22, 2013, at 6:26 PM, Craig  wrote:

> On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 15:46:55 -0400 Dan Penoff  wrote:
> 
>> That's what the Collinite 845 is.  Well known in the detailing
>> business, Collinite 845 was originally designed to be used on high
>> voltage insulators, which have to be kept as clean as possible to
>> minimize collection of dirt which can allow conductive paths on the
>> surfaces.
>> 
>> It's amazingly good stuff, and while not cheap, a 16 ounce bottle will
>> last several years or more if you apply it correctly.
>> 
>> Collinite has been around for many years and is pretty much a family
>> business, a lot like George at Leatherique.  Another reason why I like
>> to patronize them.
> 
> What about 3M Imperial Hand Glaze?
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Martha Returns!

[Dan Penoff]

If it was that easy...

The choice of products and processes is really dictated by the condition of the 
finish.  It's difficult at best to suggest that what I used on this car would 
work well on another.

Considering that when you get this aggressive you're taking some of the paint 
or clear coat off in the process, you have to be very careful about what you 
use and how you go about using it.

I would not be this aggressive on a two stage paint (clear coat/base coat) as 
there would be a significant risk of polishing through the clear coat.

That's what I like about single stage paints - there is usually enough paint 
that you can get aggressive and have something to work with. The older MB 
paints of the 60s and 70s are like this - they like to get chalky and oxidize, 
but there is so much material there it's easy to polish the finish out and 
recover it nicely.

What you can't see on the S500 is the paint condition, which is pretty lousy. 
Lots of hairline cracks, scratches, etc., that aren't through the paint but are 
present in the surface. A repaint is truly the only way to fully recover the 
surface, but for mere cosmetics what I have done will suffice.

Dan

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On Apr 22, 2013, at 6:01 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin"  wrote:

> That is amazing.  Can you put together a list of all the products you use, 
> when to use them etc?
> 
> 
> On 4/21/2013 10:37 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:
>> The Mercedes Martha Stewart has returned with a vengeance!
>> 
>> See the results of Martha's attack on the finish of the S500, which was so 
>> bad according to one detailing shop that, "You're wasting your money trying 
>> to resurrect that."
>> 
>> http://penoff.com/Penoff.com/S500_Detailing.html
>> 
>> Booyah!
>> 
>> Dan/Martha
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Re: [MBZ] repair climate control unit

[ernest breakfield]

hi Andrew!

while i'm flattered by your confidence in my ability after my only 
doing this *once*, i'm not sure i'd be willing to try this on someone 
elses stuff.


bummer, because the jelly sounds very appealing;-)


cheers!
e

On 22/Apr/13 07:17, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

Want to tackle my ACC module via mail order?  Will barter for home made
jalapeno pepper jelly, made with my organically grown non-partisan hot and
sweet peppers and other natural resources.

On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 6:19 PM, WILTON  wrote:


ATTABOY!

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "ernest breakfield"

To: 
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] repair climate control unit



Rick (et al),

 i just wanted to report back on this issue with my '85 300D; with the
help of the instructions below i was able to get the ACC unit out of the
car, and disassemble the unit (without breaking anything!). while no cracks
were visible to the naked eye, under the microscope in a clients lab there
cracks in the solder joints exactly where indicated in the link.
 a skillful tech claimed it looked like there hadn't been enough
solder used at manufacture, and was able to re-solder all the joints in a
more suitable fashion. (we also tested and verified all the relays at the
same time.)

 i managed to reassemble and reinstall the unit (without breaking
anything!), and the first few days of testing seem to indicate that it's
working perfectly.

 thanks to all who contributed on this; now that temps are ranging
from low 40s to over 80, it's much appreciated to have a working Climate
Control!


cheers!
e



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here's a link
http://w123maintenance.**blogspot.com/2007/10/**
automatic-climate-control-**unit-repair.html


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xx rick
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Re: [MBZ] Martha Returns!

[Dan Penoff]

Would have been good advertising if I was looking for work.

Dan

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> That's amazing work... But I'd have driven it around with half the hood
> polished for a few days, just to see people react.
> 
> Best,
> Tim
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Re: [MBZ] OT: shot Down in Flames gun propaganda!

[WILTON]

My thoughts, to, on the length, Philip.

Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: shot Down in Flames gun propaganda!



> > WILTON wrote:
> > Possibly, but how can I post the entire 5 pages without
> > having all of it in the main body of the post?  I can
> > easily post it, but it's a bit long, isn't it?



> Mitch Haley wrote:
> 
> I suppose you could attach it as a .txt file, if the list

> software would host it as a link like it does with pictures.



Craig wrote:

You could email it to me and I'll turn it into a PDF, for
which the list software would have to make a link.


It's unformated text with no images.  I recommend just pasting
it into the body of an email.  


It won't be as long as some of the reply of a reply of a reply
of a reply of a reply of a reply posts.

--  Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Gun Ownership

[Mitch Haley]

Dieselhead wrote:



One of my favorite signs:  "that door you just kicked in was there to 
protect you, not me!" and has a picture of a 45 (1 9  1 1)


Watertown MA could use some of that.
http://youtu.be/2LrbsUVSVl8

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Re: [MBZ] repair climate control unit

[Andrew Strasfogel]

That's your opinion, and not germane to my pepper jelly, which is
apolitical.  Unless, of course, you find it so awesomely delicious that you
convert to Liberalism because its creator is a Flaming Liberal.


On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 11:33 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'll accept that.
>
> However, I have never seen proof that the final paragraph is wrong. I have
> seen lots of evidence that supports it.
>
>
>  I was ok with this until the last gratuitous paragraph.
>> On Apr 22, 2013 10:05 PM, "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>   Want to tackle my ACC module via mail order?  Will barter for home made
>>>
  jalapeno pepper jelly, made with my organically grown non-partisan hot
 and
  sweet peppers and other natural resources.


>>>
>>>  That is funny!   I applaud your production and use of "non-partisan"
>>>  peppers!
>>>  ( this is intended as a true, honest compliment and acknowledgement of
>>>  your sense of humor, which I do appreciate)
>>>
>>>
>>>  While your pepper jelly maybe non-partisan, it is made to conserve
>>>  resources (peppers) that would otherwise have gone to waste.  I believe
>>> you
>>>  might agree with this statement.
>>>
>>>  Many times fruit preserved in such a method is called "conserve" or
>>>  "conserves"  meaning to conserve the fruit resource.  Conserve, and
>>>  conservation, (as in soil and water conservation) refer to careful use
>>> of
>>>  resources, or preserving resources so they are available for future use.
>>>  It is interesting that political liberals hold up conservationists,
>>> such as
>>>  Aldo Leopold as an "environmentalist" when in fact, he was a
>>>  conservationist.  I would argue that you have a conservative product and
>>>  that in fact that you like most people, are actually a conservative, as
>>>  shown by the care you use to conserve peppers for future use.  Most of
>>> us,
>>>  given the chance to throw money out the window while driving in DC, or
>>> or
>>>  be conservative, and conserve that resource for future use, would choose
>>>  the conservative route.
>>>
>>>  Liberals only want to confiscate other peoples' resources at gunpoint
>>> and
>>>  use or waste those resources as they see fit.
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Gun Ownership

[Scott Ritchey]

I think two points are worth making:

One:  A firearm may be an important element in home protection but it's
seldom the most important part.  Planning is the most important part.  But
firearms become more important in rural areas, areas without nearby
neighbors, and in cases where physical limitations limit fleeing.  Even so,
planning is most critical: safe room location and configuration (doors,
windows, cover, concealment, and clear lines of fire), drills/rehearsal,
training family members, etc.  

Two:  The political issue is usually stated as left-right,
liberal-conservative, etc.  This is misleading.  The real issue is
individualism vs. collectivism.  Individualism is based on rights and
responsibilities; there are lots of objective criteria here.  Collectivism,
unfortunately, can justify anything if it's for the common good.

Scott

-
G Mann wrote: 

Emmm.. faulty thinking... sorry to break the news to you.. but I don't own
a gun to "protect you".. I own a gun, if I own one, to "Protect Me and
those of my Family"...


WILTON wrote:

> How many people in those purple areas have humpteen guns each to "make up"
> for those of us who have none?
>





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