Re: [MBZ] I think its the end
On Jun 15, 2013, at 11:32 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Curt's problem is that it's getting too hot. The non-tight cap in immaterial I call bs. I had a coolant leak on the fuel heater for my 190dt. I thought gee, I'll loosen the coolant cap. That will relieve the pressure in the system and the coolant won't leak out as fast. I thought wrong. I was merrily motoring down the expressway when I thought to look down at the temp gauge. It was pegged. I blew the head gasket. Try it sometime. The pressure cap is a pressure cap for a reason. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Annular hub needed
Dieselhead wrote: You talkin' about the hub the axle bolts to? I have one out, or I have a whole diff from a 300D if you prefer. Yup. I'll send an email off list. Manfred ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Marsh House Addition
Rich Thomas wrote: BTW if anyone needs to order home stuff, check out build.com -- I have ordered a LOT from them, they have been awesome. I have my own sales person now. Unfortunately they quit selling doors. --R (sent from my miniPad) Yeah I ordered some lights and faucets for the dome from them. Real good service. Manfred ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Marsh House Addition
Craig wrote: The price is indeed coming down. Legislating compact fluorescent was stupid; LEDs don't have the eternally toxic mercury. Did they legislate CFL or just ban 100W bulbs? One common replacement for the 100W is 72W halogen incandescent. A good idea all around except still too expensive to put in the trouble lights in the garage. I'm always dropping those, or having a tiny drop of melted snow hit the bulb working under the car in the winter. Saw rubber clad shatterproof spiral CFLs in the hardware store the other day and thought you've got to be kidding me. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] UPDATE: Partial Success - 2004 E320 4matic - Water on Front Passenger's Side after Heavy Rain-ADDED Sunroof Issue
Jim, You are right! The leak is somewhere from the right front drain hole in the sunroof to where the windshield pillar meets the top of the console. I poured a pint of water into the drain hole, almost immediately it drained from the bottom of the wheel wheel. But in addition it started dripping from the side of he console. There is no pooling of water in the sunroof area. I opened up the side of the dash console via a plastic cover that is hidden when the passenger's door is closed. I am probably not making myself clear so I attached a picture which shows where it is dripping. The dripping continues for about 15 seconds and stops. Now that I know generally where the leak is coming from any instructions (with pictures) on how to access the area and what to repair. Bob -Original Message- From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Fri, Jun 14, 2013 10:15 am Subject: Re: [MBZ] UPDATE: 2004 E320 4matic - Water on Front Passenger's Side after Heavy Rain-ADDED Sunroof Issue the leak was definitely less after my friend cleaned out the drains. My vote then is for a problem with the drain hose right where it joins the sunroof. Either pushed off, or split. I've seen a lot of split drain hoses on the HVAC boxes, maybe this happens on the sunroofs too? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] going off list
Dieselvolk, Going dark on the list for a bit, simply have too much stuff to do this summer. I'll be paying attention to my email, be happy to chat if anyone sends directly to me. See you all later, happy Father's Day, Fourth of July, etc. etc.! Take care, Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] more crazy travel
Thanks, Rick. I get 20 mpg in my dino fueled 1983 300td for mixed driving, no long hway stretches. On Jun 15, 2013 2:03 AM, Rick Hawkins Java macj...@aol.com wrote: Folks I do not have a working odometer (speedo works) but since google is my friend it tells me 724 miles for the round trip then i add about 30 miles for some side trips which gives me 754 miles i kept track of the fuel used, about 36 gals, starting full and refilling on return so that gives me 20.9 etc mpg which is pretty good with the load of presses etc. that seems about right giving the load. I expect that i get about 25 mpg when NOT dragging a loaded trailer My car generally has about 60 lbs of tools, 10 or 20 gals of WVO and another 100 lbs of miscellaneous equipment moving stuff, so it's loaded most of the time thanks, xx rick Rick Hawkins __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ASR Question
Moved the car out of the garage this morning to get to my paint cabinet. No ASR light. Whatever. Still need to pull a wheel off and check brake pads. Might do that today after all the FD festivities. Thanks, Dan On Jun 15, 2013, at 6:06 PM, OK Don wrote: I think I had that happen in the ML once - turning the car off then starting it again cleared the light - a re-boot. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1984 300D injection Pump - possible failure of used pump.
I would just ask him if there's a chance the pump is 180 out. Mistakes happen even for someone who's done a hundred pumps. On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.comwrote: Sure..I would try diesel purge and check pump timing. Mike On Jun 15, 2013 3:26 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: One more question: If a previously working IP sat in a box for ten years, would it be possible to have a delivery valve or two stick open when you put in on an engine? Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes ARRGH!
If you don't want to bother with pressure bleeding, drip bleeding will probably be fine. On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 9:32 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: New brakes, you should change out the fluid with new. Brake fluid degrades with use. Now is a good time. Grant... On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: You may be right, I hate to spend all the money on a master cylinder and not need to... I need to get some more fluid and try again. This time I'll buy a quart. -Curt Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 09:23:42 -0700 From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes ARRGH! Message-ID: cantulyjj7ac+wrkn2vv2nvsk2bkis-e3f7qxpv9ggda0j5y...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Curt, I'll bet that you still have air in the line. Did you start the reverse bleed at the longest line, then the next longest, etc? Air acts as a spring since it can be compressed. If there is a section of the brake line what has fluid before the bubble and after the bubble [like from the master cylinder] that air will compress enough to feel like you have brake pressure then when released, expand and push the fluid back to the master... next peddle push, you start pushing fluid all over again.. Suggest you take some fluid out of the master tank and pump from the bleed screw again.. Or, if you have a spare electric fuel pump lying around... attach some barb fittings and clear hose to it and let it do the work while you watch the master tank for bubbles [you will see them as they are pushed up]. In any case, hope it sorts out for you. Grant... On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 8:56 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Used Grant's method to bleed the rear brakes on my '84 190D today. I wish I could say it worked perfectly but it didn't. I *think* yesterday's efforts to tag-team the bleeding (with Angie's help) may have cost me in the long run. Right now if I pump the brakes they'll build pressure and work fine until I release and try again at which point they're back to bottom of the throw. The fronts still work fine but the pedal is bottom of the barrel. I *think* this means the MC needs replacing, what say you? -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] starving youngsters
As long as people have the NFL and NASCAR they won't revolt. On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 5:41 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: If it's worthless then why all the fuss? You can't have it both ways. On Jun 12, 2013 12:20 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: If it's so worthless then you won't miss it. Please deposit all your worthless currency into my Paypal account. Hm. Much as i dislike willard (Mit romnskey), seems to me that he donated more to charitable causes than bummer, the veep, billybob, pillary, and whoever was billybobs' veep all put together. Now what was that about liberals wanting to share. Oh yes they want to share YOUR money (they confiscate at gunpoint), but never part with theirs! Andrew's point is spoken like a true liberal. Gimme YOUR money! THe worthless currency is immaterial. If it is not greenbacks, it will be milk, eggs, grain, lumber metal, firstborn or whatever you can think of to confiscate under force.... until the natives storm the bastile. History is replete with example both of items confiscated as well as with the natives deciding enough is enough and toppling the offenders. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Starving Youngsters: was 44 years OT
I agree with Scott''s post about the younger generation wanting everything now. I was just thinking about this yesterday before I read this email. Back in the 1980's how common was air conditioning? Back then I'm not sure credit cards were all the rage either. Today cash is not needed, because you can charge your wedding or your Australian vacation on your credit card and pay the interest until the day you die... People today take risk but are in denial about it. They will pay $100,000 for college (a risk) with no way to cover the cost (denial about the risk). This is more fun than fretting about your problems. It is a more live for today society than a live for tomorrow society. On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 4:53 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: What Clay said, x2. Man up. Get off your collective asses and go to work society. Spend the 19.7 hrs you now spend each week watching dancing with the stars inventing a new device to save the world. Take charge of your country, your life, and your future. Love your children enough to teach them self reliance and responsibility. Have a dream and work it. Know what an elephant is? A mouse designed and built under government contract. Grant... On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 12:18 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Curt, Unless you happen to have resided on this continent prior to 1492, your forefathers were risk takers. Maybe not much by choice if colored, but coming here was not for the risk averse. With the growth of unions (Big risk for those trying to organize) the risk averse were made comfortable. Pensions are a thing of our fathers or grandfathers, but not great grandfathers. Until the FDR fiasco, life was not for the weak. Surviving even through the depression required stamina and a healthy undertaking of risk to remain above ground. WWII required lots of comfort for risk to willingly dodge bullets. Moving off the farm to work a factory job was massive risk, since you left all you knew for a chance at a better future. Then the baby boomers came of age. Lots of drugs, free love, fear of Vietnam, coddled by mommy and daddy and expecting to not have to risk anything to get ahead. Go to college, find a job, a spouse, house, cars, kids, and have it all delivered to you with little effort. Snivel about nuclear energy, McD food, not having gluten free, free range, organic, vegan, locavore tofurkey. Sure, life has moved to a Nanny state, where we can pander to fear, avoid risks, mandate insurance, tell parents they can not smoke in a car in Oregon if there are children present, allow our elected leaders to spy on us, numb ourselves with reality tv, while we avoid the realities of actually living. A sheltered life is one of fear and risk aversion. Living by the vagaries of nature involves risks. Being stupid enough to build a house that will not withstand a tornado in OK, is foolhardy, but nobody wants to think about the risk and actually deal with it. clay On Jun 11, 2013, at 3:39 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: I'm gonna call BS here. You're saying our forefathers who worked in factories were big risk takers? The guys who worked the same job for their whole lives and depended on the company's pension? Or go back a couple generations to the farm where they lived their whole lives and maybe never left the county? Risk takers are always genetic freaks. Everybody said Columbus was nuts, nothing out there worth sailing to. Same for the first folks who ventured west. Benz and Daimler, who would want a vehicle you had to buy gas for? Humans are not wired to take risks, our pain to pleasure threshold is way over on the pleasure side. Heres a simple experiment to prove it. Present somebody with a game, you'll flip a coin and if they win you'll pay them $10, if you win they pay you $1. Everybody will play that game right? You'd be an idiot not to Then change it to if they win you pay $5 if you win they pay $1. Now most everybody will still play but some people (the super risk averse) will drop. Now change it to $2/$1 and most people will drop. This is nuts on 100 flips of the coin they should get around $100 while only paying $50, they almost can't lose but most people will not take the bet, only the freaks do... -Curt Who wishes he was one of the freaks but really isn't... Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 13:33:10 -0700 From: clay redgh...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Starving Youngsters: was 44 years OT Message-ID: 0367275f-cbd9-4976-890e-81fc0c2e3...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Scott, your insight is great, but all the items you tick off really devolved to the same entity. Risk. The youth and Baby boomers are really risk averse as a whole. There are many who are job creators, who have gambled
Re: [MBZ] Pressure cap - was: I think its the end
On Jun 15, 2013, at 11:32 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Curt's problem is that it's getting too hot. The non-tight cap in immaterial Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: I call bs. I had a coolant leak on the fuel heater for my 190dt. I thought gee, I'll loosen the coolant cap. That will relieve the pressure in the system and the coolant won't leak out as fast. I thought wrong. I was merrily motoring down the expressway when I thought to look down at the temp gauge. It was pegged. I blew the head gasket. Try it sometime. The pressure cap is a pressure cap for a reason. Er, okay. But I want to understand. Your one experience doesn't define the physics laws. *smiles* The physics, as I understand it, state the increase in pressure increases the boiling point. But changing the pressure doesn't make any change to the heat transfer capacity of the coolant. (thermal capacity) Thus the pressure cap will only become a factor when the coolant has been heated to a temperature where it _could_ boil. Pressure - or no pressure - doesn't change the coolants ability to absorb and transfer heat away from the engine. In other words, the redline changes. Without pressure, a mixture of 50% ethylene glycol and water boils at 107 C. The same mixture at 1 Bar (15 PSI) above standard atmospheric pressure is 129 C. Thus it would seem that if the car has a correctly functioning cooling system, the pressure from the cap will not matter _until_ the system is under high demand and the coolant temperature is near the boiling point of an unpressurized system (107 C). In Curt's situation, he is driving mildly around town. The cooling system (especially in a diesel) in that situation is far, far from maximum load. Why will a change in the boiling (danger) point from 107 C to 129 C have an effect when his coolant is running at 93 C (200 F)? Am I missing something? http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/ethylene-glycol-d_146.html http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/boiling-point-water-d_926.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylene_glycol http://www.heat-transfer-fluid.com/pdf/techpapers/pressure-boiling-point.pdf (sorry about the PDF link...) -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tools - Sorting Allen (Hex) Wrenches
You could buy a tool holder that is sized accordingly with sizes clearly labeled on the holder. That solves both the identification and storage problem. Or replace with bits/keys that have the size stamped on them. On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:19 AM, Kevin Kraly kevinpadd...@gmail.com wrote: I had a hanging tool rack with lots of different holes in it. As I built up more of the stacking small parts chests that line the back of my workbench, I had to put the wrenches/drivers in a drawer. It's so much harder to find the right size. I like your idea! I could even integrate it into the side of my bench. Kevin in LaPorte, CO __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Starving Youngsters: was 44 years OT
Brian wrote: This is more fun than fretting about your problems. It is a more live for today society than a live for tomorrow society. Yabbuttt... The live for today society is failing to consider many aspects related to live for today. Stress and worry take their toll on people. Without debt, some stress happens but it might be less than with debt. Responsibility is what is needed rather than live for today. Live for today is all Beatles/Jethro Tull/Grateful Dead/Rolling Stones/Bob Dylan/etc. - the fruits of those efforts are probably more live for today society than we want to analyze or admit. Perhaps if more of us could deny our need to consume we might arrive at the reality that we can live like JFK gave us - Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country. If the govt does all the terrorist, tax, war, security, banking, education, legislative, medical, social - we need more government at costs that nobody is willing to want. Therefore, we need to step up to responsibility and take care of many of these things as local individuals together. These things have been done by individuals together in the past - no reason we can't do it again, but we don't - live for today society rules. Sound too Ayn Rand? - maybe, but it should sound more like DIY mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Re: best chain saw NOW Angel Oak
Why do the branches appear to touch/come very close to the ground? Not like the Live Oaks I see in Savannah, etc. On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 4:58 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Would ya, could ya send me coupla its acorns? Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79TD300@** constructivity.net richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 6:06 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT Re: best chain saw NOW Angel Oak The deal with the photoshoot is that this guy takes pics of nekkid people in various locations communing with nature, and then sells the photos and I think he has some books or something. They are not untasteful once you get past some of the nekkid folks who probably shouldn't be, but to each his/her own... They organized the thing for an early Sunday morning, I think the park was actually open (the site is part of the Parks Dept) and there were a few people there, to whom they explained what was going to happen so they could stay or go or whatever. I think someone got upset and went and called the cops, or maybe the cops had wind of it since so many showed up so quickly. The po-pos acted fools, basically created a problem where there was none, or a small one or something. Now the tree is back down a dirt road about a half mile, in the woods, nothing else visible anywhere but trees, so it's not like it was out in public even though it was in a public park. But in the great scheme of things, it was kinda minimal, at least to my view of things. I think I might have known it was going to happen, and thought about riding my bike over there (about 10mi from the house, but sometimes I park over close there to ride on Wadmalaw Island which is just down the road). I didn't or my friend who organized it (and who did not get nekkid, she explained it lamely at some point) probably would have made me shuck my lycra and join in. The other girl in the video I know probably would have worked on me too (though hanging around would have been pleasant but might have had some unseemly results...). The Angel Oak is the largest tree east of the sequoias in CA, it is not known how old it is, some say 1400 years, some say maybe a few hundred. There was a scheme to build a bunch of apartment buildings close by, I think we have managed to stop that, the developer went bankrupt and I think the conservation trust people are buying the land to add to the park, so that is good. The tree was a gathering place for a long time for the local blacks, back when they were slaves then later after the Late Unpleasantness. It has a spot in the history of Johns Island, and a lot of the old Gullah folk remember going there as children for picnics and meetings and such, the white folks sorta left them alone in that regard, out of respect for the tree and what it symbolizes. If any of you are ever in the Charleston area it is definitely worth a visit, it is a natural treasure for all of us, and quite amazing to see. I meant to go over there and collect some acorns last fall and never did, will have to do that this year and plant some in pots to see if I can grow some baby angels. --R On 5/15/13 5:28 PM, WILTON wrote: BTW, Rich, how old is the tree? Wilton - Original Message - From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] best chain saw I inhabit a very different universe, free of inappropriate nekkid butts, pale or otherwise. You have my sympathy. Ry On May 15, 2013 3:41 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Rich, is that you there in the ---, or are you the one with the white butt? ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79TD300@** constructivity.net richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.netrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] best chain saw A bunch of them are fat and have ponytails and beards of some sort, and ride loud Harleys in packs for reasons I do not understand, and maybe shoot guns, so yeah, but we were talking about tree-huggers. We had a bunch of nekkid tree huggers at the Angel Oak here on my island, a friend of mine organized the event, but did not get nekkid, which was probably A Good Thing. They did not make much noise but apparently the po-pos did. http://www.**charlestoncitypap**er.com/**charleston/first-** look-the-**http://charlestoncitypaper.com/**charleston/first-look-the-** angel-oak-nude-shoot/Content?oid=3391208http://www.** charlestoncitypaper.com/**charleston/first-look-the-** angel-oak-nude-shoot/Content?**oid=3391208http://www.charlestoncitypaper.com/charleston/first-look-the-angel-oak-nude-shoot/Content?oid=3391208 Here's a vid, I know one of the
Re: [MBZ] OT: Starving Youngsters: was 44 years OT
Snort. Conspicuous consumption was well established long before the Rolling Stones! After all, those Baby Boomer's learned it somewhere Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Starving Youngsters: was 44 years OT
People like big government and socialism because it means they don't have to come to terms with the denial and short term thinking. I wish I paid a fraction of what I do in taxes and the welfare folks got off their lard asses and did something productive. I think the ILLEGAL immigrants should be convicted felons and sent back where they came from. BECAUSE THEY BROKE THE THE LAW. Obama still hasn't sent me a check for supporting a mortgage on a home that lost value. Guess I should have let it go into foreclosure or short sale? My ethics won't let me do that My neighbors over mortgaged their house, bought a $40K truck and now live a mama's house down the street. Fiscal conservatives are in the minority. It's a shame. On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Brian wrote: This is more fun than fretting about your problems. It is a more live for today society than a live for tomorrow society. Yabbuttt... The live for today society is failing to consider many aspects related to live for today. Stress and worry take their toll on people. Without debt, some stress happens but it might be less than with debt. Responsibility is what is needed rather than live for today. Live for today is all Beatles/Jethro Tull/Grateful Dead/Rolling Stones/Bob Dylan/etc. - the fruits of those efforts are probably more live for today society than we want to analyze or admit. Perhaps if more of us could deny our need to consume we might arrive at the reality that we can live like JFK gave us - Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country. If the govt does all the terrorist, tax, war, security, banking, education, legislative, medical, social - we need more government at costs that nobody is willing to want. Therefore, we need to step up to responsibility and take care of many of these things as local individuals together. These things have been done by individuals together in the past - no reason we can't do it again, but we don't - live for today society rules. Sound too Ayn Rand? - maybe, but it should sound more like DIY mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pressure cap - was: I think its the end
Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com writes: In Curt's situation, he is driving mildly around town. The cooling system (especially in a diesel) in that situation is far, far from maximum load. Why will a change in the boiling (danger) point from 107 C to 129 C have an effect when his coolant is running at 93 C (200 F)? Am I missing something? The thermostat. It will not admit water to the radiator until it's about 190F. At that point it may well be above 212 in the head. -- Allan Streib ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I think its the end
Phillip is correct, when the cap is on it will just vent coolant when the pressure builds too high as its running. The problem is not that the coolant boils per-say its that I can't keep coolant in the engine. -Curt Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 23:31:01 -0500 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] I think its the end Message-ID: 20130615233101.2d66f...@seth.condray.lan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Luther wrote: Good call. The radiator cap needs to be tight as being loose will lower the boiling point of the water. Loose cap = nearly atmosphere pressure, tight cap should be 3 bar/45psi (I think?). On 6/15/2013 3:56 PM, Craig wrote: No, that's the oil pressure gauge. Radiator caps are around 1 bar/15 psig. Luther wrote: Thanks, I had a feeling I was wrong. The point is that pressure in the cooling system helps raise the boiling point. But in this case, it doesn't matter. The pressure cap does not change the temperature, so if it's getting too hot, putting the cap on tight won't fix it. It _may_ keep the coolant from boiling, though. Curt's problem is that it's getting too hot. The non-tight cap in immaterial. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I think its the end
I have, it belches all the coolant out through the overflow. The cap releasing pressure is actually fairly loud sometimes. -Curt Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 23:43:26 -0500 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] I think its the end Message-ID: a062408bdcde2f158e1a0@[192.168.1.51] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed Curt's problem is that it's getting too hot. The non-tight cap in immaterial. --Philip pressure raises the boiling point. a 1 bar cap will get you about 30 degrees F. or 242-250 depending on altitude and atmospheric conditions. I'd put the cap on and try it again. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I think its the end
I'll call BS on your BS, I drove the car all winter (well from December until early May, about 5,000 miles total) with the cap loose at temps from the teens through the 70s. I also recall doing it with my '83 240D (although I don't remember why) during a whole summer. I think that one might have had a weeping radiator. I'd say you already had a bad head gasket. At any rate it would be nice if somebody else with a non-suspect car could make a test. From cold loosen the radiator cap, run the car for about 15 minutes. It helps if the first 5 are moving. See if the car overheats. Mine does, every time. During that time the coolant is bubbling out of the radiator, think witches cauldron. -Curt Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 02:46:15 -0500 From: Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] I think its the end Message-ID: bay404-eas3320c55b7804c3c8da53418dd...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Jun 15, 2013, at 11:32 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Curt's problem is that it's getting too hot. The non-tight cap in immaterial I call bs. I had a coolant leak on the fuel heater for my 190dt. I thought gee, I'll loosen the coolant cap. That will relieve the pressure in the system and the coolant won't leak out as fast. I thought wrong. I was merrily motoring down the expressway when I thought to look down at the temp gauge. It was pegged. I blew the head gasket. Try it sometime. The pressure cap is a pressure cap for a reason. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes ARRGH!
Fred, who is the best guy in the whole wide world, loaned me his speedee bleeder (a proper one that hooks to the tire and has a regulator) which makes this the easiest job in the world. The guys who said air in the lines were right, everything now works as it should. Having used one, the next time I need to do brakes I'll either borrow Fred's again or buy my own bleeder, its not worth mucking about with any other method, you open the bleed line, the air comes out followed by fluid, you let as much fluid as you want to purge come out and you're done. I imagine it makes changing the fluid very easy. That reminds me I should see if the adapter he has fits the Ranger, I should replace the fluid in that while I have the bleeder. -Curt Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 11:46:21 -0600 From: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes ARRGH! Message-ID: CACnCPhkWFs0jjxBk0rpLJC=39leggxele+_o71rrru5kssm...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 If you don't want to bother with pressure bleeding, drip bleeding will probably be fine. On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 9:32 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: New brakes, you should change out the fluid with new. Brake fluid degrades with use. Now is a good time. Grant... On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: You may be right, I hate to spend all the money on a master cylinder and not need to... I need to get some more fluid and try again. This time I'll buy a quart. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I think its the end
On Jun 16, 2013, at 4:17 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I'd say you already had a bad head gasket. Nope. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pressure cap - was: I think its the end
Thats not entirely true. I was suspicious of my new thermostat so I pulled it and put it along with the old one in a pot of water that I brought to a boil while checking with my IR thermometer. Both started opening at about 165F and were fully open around 190F. So coolant is moving well before the thermostat hits 190F -Curt Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 17:04:42 -0400 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu To: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com, mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Pressure cap - was: I think its the end Message-ID: m1obb5n4wl@cs.indiana.edu Content-Type: text/plain Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com writes: In Curt's situation, he is driving mildly around town. The cooling system (especially in a diesel) in that situation is far, far from maximum load. Why will a change in the boiling (danger) point from 107 C to 129 C have an effect when his coolant is running at 93 C (200 F)? Am I missing something? The thermostat. It will not admit water to the radiator until it's about 190F. At that point it may well be above 212 in the head. -- Allan Streib ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I think its the end
So how do you bleed the air out of the cooling system if you can't run it up to temp with the radiator cap off? -Curt Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 16:28:13 -0500 From: Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] I think its the end Message-ID: bay404-eas247d95ade26603586a1a064dd...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Jun 16, 2013, at 4:17 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I'd say you already had a bad head gasket. Nope. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] mileage
Andrew I'm surprised your mileage is not higher on diesel, but it's been years since i've had 100% dino diesel in the tank! xx rick i think with no trailer that i get more like 25 or better mpg on From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com Date: June 16, 2013 10:51:34 AM EDT To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com, sale-seurv-2271033...@craigslist.org Subject: Re: [MBZ] more crazy travel Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Thanks, Rick. I get 20 mpg in my dino fueled 1983 300td for mixed driving, no long hway stretches. On Jun 15, 2013 2:03 AM, Rick Hawkins Java macj...@aol.com wrote: Folks I do not have a working odometer (speedo works) but since google is my friend it tells me 724 miles for the round trip then i add about 30 miles for some side trips which gives me 754 miles i kept track of the fuel used, about 36 gals, starting full and refilling on return so that gives me 20.9 etc mpg which is pretty good with the load of presses etc. thanks, xx rick Rick Hawkins www.javaphoto.com www.javacycles.com LETTERPRESSES FOR SALE www.ricktheprinter.com www.letterpressmachinery.com payment by all major credit cards or by paypal Java Photo Java Bajaj Cycles 215 Bryan Street Athens, Georgia 30601 706 354-0988 3-6 pm or later (eastern time) 706 354-8877 fax optional numbers that tend to go to voicemail 912 376-5721 magic jack 706 363-0022 g-number for text/message SKYPE: macjava iCHAT/AIM: macj...@aol.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1984 300D injection Pump - possible failure of used pump.
Yes that is the idea on Monday after I get out work. I will go over all of the suggestions with him. He is very receptive to trying things to get it going. Michael E. Esh 231-286-2344 On Jun 16, 2013, at 1:42 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: I would just ask him if there's a chance the pump is 180 out. Mistakes happen even for someone who's done a hundred pumps. On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.comwrote: Sure..I would try diesel purge and check pump timing. Mike On Jun 15, 2013 3:26 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: One more question: If a previously working IP sat in a box for ten years, would it be possible to have a delivery valve or two stick open when you put in on an engine? Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Re: best chain saw NOW Angel Oak
On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 15:00:22 -0600 Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: The Angel Oak is the largest tree east of the sequoias in CA, it is not known how old it is, some say 1400 years, some say maybe a few hundred. There was a scheme to build a bunch of apartment buildings close by, I think we have managed to stop that, the developer went bankrupt and I think the conservation trust people are buying the land to add to the park, so that is good. Why do the branches appear to touch/come very close to the ground? Not like the Live Oaks I see in Savannah, etc. It could be because it is a different variety, or because it is older. For more information, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quercus_virginiana Craig P.S. I trimmed this message, the guys on the digest must be having fits. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I think its the end
Since your headgasket was not obviously blown when we took it out, I wonder if your problem doesn't lie elsewhere? But where? Sent from my iPhone On Jun 16, 2013, at 5:12 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I have, it belches all the coolant out through the overflow. The cap releasing pressure is actually fairly loud sometimes. -Curt Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 23:43:26 -0500 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] I think its the end Message-ID: a062408bdcde2f158e1a0@[192.168.1.51] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed Curt's problem is that it's getting too hot. The non-tight cap in immaterial. --Philip pressure raises the boiling point. a 1 bar cap will get you about 30 degrees F. or 242-250 depending on altitude and atmospheric conditions. I'd put the cap on and try it again. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] more crazy travel
On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 7:51 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: I get 20 mpg in my dino fueled 1983 300td for mixed driving, no long hway stretches. Isn't that awfully low for a turbo 617? Are you sure you don't have a clogged cat, stuck EGR, dirty fuel filters, etc.? (Have you CHANGED your FUSES?) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I think its the end
Curt, is there any chance the t-stat, if new, is defective, or if old, got fooked when you blew your head gasket? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes ARRGH!
Curt Raymond wrote: Having used one, the next time I need to do brakes I'll either borrow Fred's again or buy my own bleeder, its not worth mucking about with any other method, you open the bleed line, the air comes out followed by fluid, you let as much fluid as you want to purge come out and you're done. I imagine it makes changing the fluid very easy. Now all you need is a liter of ATE racing blue to fill it with next year when you change the fluid before it darkens much. When the blue dye starts coming out, you've flushed that line. I bought a liter of the stuff ten years ago and still haven't opened it. I plan on annual changes but actually do it every two years or so and by then I can tell the old from the new by sight without the help of any dye. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes ARRGH!
On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: I bought a liter of the stuff ten years ago and still haven't opened it. M ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes ARRGH!
On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: I bought a liter of the stuff ten years ago and still haven't opened it. Me too. (Well, more like five years ago.) Is it still good? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I think its the end
Could it be a crack in a water jacket in the block letting combustion pressure enter the cooling system? Kevin in LaPorte, CO ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] more crazy travel
Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com writes: On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 7:51 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: I get 20 mpg in my dino fueled 1983 300td for mixed driving, no long hway stretches. Isn't that awfully low for a turbo 617? Are you sure you don't have a clogged cat, stuck EGR, dirty fuel filters, etc.? (Have you CHANGED your FUSES?) 20MPG would be a little on the low side for a 617, but they don't do a whole lot better than mid-20's, in my experience. No cat. -- Allan Streib ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1984 300D injection Pump - possible failure of used pump.
Mike Esh wrote: Yes that is the idea on Monday after I get out work. I will go over all of the suggestions with him. He is very receptive to trying things to get it going. Let me know if you need a can of purge. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] mileage
Rick Hawkins Java wrote: Andrew I'm surprised your mileage is not higher on diesel, but it's been years since i've had 100% dino diesel in the tank! Andrew lives in DC, where you spend almost as much time at zero mph as they do in Los Angeles. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes ARRGH!
Alex Chamberlain wrote: Me too. (Well, more like five years ago.) Is it still good? Mine came in a steel can. I assume it's good until the can springs a leak. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I think its the end
Does the water pump still have fins on the impeller? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Vintage MB AD If you can't afford the car on the left....
Vintage '70s Mercedes-Benz AD for their pre-owned cars. If you can't afford the car on the left, maybe you can afford the car on the right.. Link (see comments for AD text): https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=511053382282990l=40c73280c3 -- Chris J. MBCA Peachtree Member Past MB Models: '85 190D 2.2, '94 E420, '87 260E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] mileage
That is no kidding. It is worth an extra hundred miles on a trip to bypass the whole Capitol District entirely. Mike On Jun 16, 2013 9:55 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Rick Hawkins Java wrote: Andrew I'm surprised your mileage is not higher on diesel, but it's been years since i've had 100% dino diesel in the tank! Andrew lives in DC, where you spend almost as much time at zero mph as they do in Los Angeles. Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pressure cap - was: I think its the end
I just know this, Mercedes designed the system to work with a 15psi pressure cap and it will mildly overheat without the pressure cap in place. As Herr Sainted Dr. Boothe said, (paraphrase) Mercedes designed it that way, operate it that way. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (166,xxx mi) On 6/16/2013 2:30 PM, Fmiser wrote: On Jun 15, 2013, at 11:32 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Curt's problem is that it's getting too hot. The non-tight cap in immaterial Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: I call bs. I had a coolant leak on the fuel heater for my 190dt. I thought gee, I'll loosen the coolant cap. That will relieve the pressure in the system and the coolant won't leak out as fast. I thought wrong. I was merrily motoring down the expressway when I thought to look down at the temp gauge. It was pegged. I blew the head gasket. Try it sometime. The pressure cap is a pressure cap for a reason. Er, okay. But I want to understand. Your one experience doesn't define the physics laws. *smiles* The physics, as I understand it, state the increase in pressure increases the boiling point. But changing the pressure doesn't make any change to the heat transfer capacity of the coolant. (thermal capacity) Thus the pressure cap will only become a factor when the coolant has been heated to a temperature where it _could_ boil. Pressure - or no pressure - doesn't change the coolants ability to absorb and transfer heat away from the engine. In other words, the redline changes. Without pressure, a mixture of 50% ethylene glycol and water boils at 107 C. The same mixture at 1 Bar (15 PSI) above standard atmospheric pressure is 129 C. Thus it would seem that if the car has a correctly functioning cooling system, the pressure from the cap will not matter _until_ the system is under high demand and the coolant temperature is near the boiling point of an unpressurized system (107 C). In Curt's situation, he is driving mildly around town. The cooling system (especially in a diesel) in that situation is far, far from maximum load. Why will a change in the boiling (danger) point from 107 C to 129 C have an effect when his coolant is running at 93 C (200 F)? Am I missing something? http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/ethylene-glycol-d_146.html http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/boiling-point-water-d_926.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylene_glycol http://www.heat-transfer-fluid.com/pdf/techpapers/pressure-boiling-point.pdf (sorry about the PDF link...) -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] mileage
Raw veg oil has lower energy than BioD and DinoD, I'm not surprised at the 20mpg number. I would expect 20-30% lower energy. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (166,xxx mi) On 6/16/2013 4:55 PM, Rick Hawkins Java wrote: Andrew I'm surprised your mileage is not higher on diesel, but it's been years since i've had 100% dino diesel in the tank! xx rick i think with no trailer that i get more like 25 or better mpg on From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com Date: June 16, 2013 10:51:34 AM EDT To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com, sale-seurv-2271033...@craigslist.org Subject: Re: [MBZ] more crazy travel Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Thanks, Rick. I get 20 mpg in my dino fueled 1983 300td for mixed driving, no long hway stretches. On Jun 15, 2013 2:03 AM, Rick Hawkins Java macj...@aol.com wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I think its the end
Since your headgasket was not obviously blown when we took it out, I wonder if your problem doesn't lie elsewhere? But where? Sent from my iPhone Did y'all check the head for cracks in the usual places as well as unusual places? Usual: prechamber to valve and valve to valve (less common) Last I knew a crack up to 10 mm length is passable. the 616 is much better than OM615 and OM621 heads about not cracking. Try a pressure test on the rad system. a good radiator shop can do that. or you can buy the kit to pressure test in situ. If you have a cracked head or block, the air or coolant will go somewhere during the test. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM60x overheating and pressure caps
Included below is my 2008 experience on a trip back to AR from Albuquerque. Search the archives subject incompetent stealership for the rest of the story. begin quote Sat Jun 28 00:00:04 GMT 2008 Previous message: [MBZ] stealership rape... Next message: [MBZ] incompetent stealership. WAS: stealership rape... Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Incompetent. Yes, I said it, and here's why. I spoke with the service manager this morning about this issue. I was sitting in an I-40 rest area about 30 miles from the OK state line. First, I asked him what is performed during a standard cooling system check when the customer complains of overheating. He said a visual check, coolant level check, pressure check, and temperature check. I then began my story as follows: I left Albuquerque last evening, trusting your 24year veteran mechanic's diagnosis that the fault lies in the gauge/wiring. I set the cruise at 65 going up the long hill leaving Albuquerque on eastbound I-40. The temp settled in around 120C (w/o defrost) and given our (tech and myself) conversation, we believed the temp gauge to be reading about 10-15C (possibly 20C) high. I felt comfortable running at this state due to trusting his experience. At or very near the top of the first LONG climb, I noticed the smell of coolant. Soon after this I pulled off the interstate where I knew there was a TravelCenters of America 24hr shop. As soon as I opened the hood, I noticed the aux fan running. The gauge then read about 110C, or around 95-100C by faulty gauge calculations. This shouldn't be happeneing if the temp is below 105C... I then squeezed the top radiator hose to feel temp and pressure. I could squeeze the two sides together and it was VERY hot to touch. GA. At this point, I let the car sit for about 20 minutes while I used a work friend to locate the number for T/A that was about 2 miles from me. When I finally removed the coolant cap, no pressure released and I immediately noticed the failure. The pressure release button (?the technical term?) (about the size of a nickle) from the bottom of the coolant cap was laying in the coolant expansion tank. This had allowed the coolant to boil off! GRRR. Why wasn't something this simple checked? I paid $99 for a competent diagnosis, and did not receive this! 1 gallon of water later, the coolant reserve was full again (with minimal burping via the top radiator hose) and I drove down to T/A (with full defrost/heat on) to see if they had a generic pressure cap. (Big trucks use the same size cap that pressure releases at 10psi. Low for the Benz's 18-22psi, but better than 0psi!) They didn't. So, with their help, I gathered 4 gallons of water and jumped the aux fan to run continually and left for the next T/A shop. 80 miles east and with more than one generic radaitor cap instock. I had to stop twice to let the car cool off from above 105C, and added about 1/2 gallon more of water. With the new generic pressure cap in place, I could maintain about 65mph with full defrost. I drove that way the last 600mi home today and barely touched 100C a few times. At this point, the service manager tells me that he is very glad I'm tech-savy and was able to keep the car moving. (saving a 30 mile tow back down the hill) He then tells me that I should take the car to my local MB shop and have the coolant system and engine (probable overheat) checked at his expence. He assured me that he will take full responsibility if there is any engine damage due to missing the failed pressure cap. YAY! After arriving home, I installed a new OEM Benz pressure cap and test drove without the defrost. The temp never left 85C during the 4.5 mile drive to the interstate. I gave it an uphill full italian tune-up on the interstate. When it finally shifted into 4th at 75mph, the temp had reached 105C...still without defrost. The temp stayed there for the next 2 miles and finally came down to about 95 on the way back down the hill. This is WAY better than the previous performance. ARGH! Luther, home and annoyed by incompetence On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 18:41:20 -0500, Luther-laptop luther at gulseth.net wrote: So, the last 3-4 hours of my trip to Albuquerque were spent around 55mph since that seemed the speed that the car could manage the heat (w/full defrost running) and not get above 115C. When rolling down the hill into Albq, the temp finally came down to 90C, so I kicked the defrost off. Within 3 seconds, the temp jumped to 110F. It came down within 10 seconds of kicking the defrost back on. This lead me to believe the water pump was not working correctly. So, I pulled into the local MB shop and told them what was going on. While we were writing up the overheating issue, we noticed fuel leaking from the rear. That took 2hr paid labor (30-45 when I do it) and 2 new fuel lines at the tank. I'm also
Re: [MBZ] I think its the end
Find the bumpiest road you can and drive there with full heat running. Stop periodically and refill the expansion tank every so often. The water pump and aux pumps will pump the system full. Alternately, park the front wheels on ramps and fill through the top radiator hose with the defrost running until it runs out of the radiator. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (166,xxx mi) On 6/16/2013 4:33 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: So how do you bleed the air out of the cooling system if you can't run it up to temp with the radiator cap off? -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
