Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
G Mann wrote: At this time, it certainly appears the crew was far behind the aircraft and failed first to recognize it was out of control, then second, to take corrective and effective action in a timely manner to regain control.. to little, way to late. You're saying that 7 seconds may be a long time in a F-16, but it isn't even enough time to increase thrust in a 777? (I was going to say 172, then realized that there doesn't seem to be such a thing as light aircraft in ROK) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] College rebuilds
Dieselhead wrote: Wow! 51 VW! I always thought my 56 Karmann Ghia was prehistoric. Yours is even earlier. Now while I love my 40 + year old car, when I was a kid, a 40 year old car was a Model A. Not many people drove a model A then. We did have a neighbor who drove his Model T, and it was his only vehicle. (old guy) When you were a kid (before freeways?), a Model A was a functional car IMO. Out of style, but it could keep up with traffic and stop on command. Seems like there were a few things you'd expect in any car by then that a T just can't do. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] College rebuilds
Now that's the way to learn! I had to do my 48 or 49 can't remember Dodge Coronet engine in the car. OK it is a bit heavier. Bad part is when I got done and it ran he sold the thing to the garbage man for $50. It would have been another 2 years till I could get my learners permit and license so it might have rusted up again though I doubt it. Garbage man drove it from NY to Fla for his mom to use. Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 19:42:49 -0500 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com I rebuilt the engine from my 1951VW in my bedroom while in high school. Step Mom wasn't too happy about it, but Dad was giving my guidance, and didn't mind. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net writes: You're saying that 7 seconds may be a long time in a F-16, but it isn't even enough time to increase thrust in a 777? (I was going to say 172, then realized that there doesn't seem to be such a thing as light aircraft in ROK) I think I read that the FAA standard is 5 seconds to spool up from idle but remember they were in landing configuration, flaps and landing gear deployed (thus draggy), descending, and significantly slow, and with a jet/turbofan the power comes on late, kind of like turbo lag in a car. Then, even when the engines attain full thrust it's going to take some time to get back to a speed where they can arrest their descent and start gaining altitude. In their situation, trying to recover the profile or go around from 7 seconds out was probably impossible. -- Allan Streib ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AC and alternators?
Yeahbut with my plan I'll have the ability to take this setup to any car at any time just by pulling the adapter and moving to a different car. The insides of the adapter are really simple, theres a circuit board with 2 wires that go to the inputs. I cut the circuit board out and will crimp butt connectors onto the two wires. The butt connectors fit my DMM's probes perfectly. I'd already considered the 5v problem... -Curt Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 22:26:58 -0500 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] AC and alternators? Message-ID: 20130711222658.4ffb4...@jasper.condray.lan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Curt Raymond wrote: Sounds like a VR to me, I've got a spare, I'll give it a shot. I'm also going to gut an old 12v cellphone charger to make test ports I can easily plug my multimeter into for realtime monitoring. MMM wrote: I use one of these widgets: http://www.walmart.com/ip/Equus-Innova-3721-Battery-and-Charging-System-Monitor/15137663 Curt wrote: Yeahbut if I can cut apart an old phone charger and make one thats $17 in my pocket... You're just looking for a way to connect your existing DMM to monitor the voltage? _Any_ +12 on the car will work. There are numerous places to tap on any of my cars - but mine are W123s, so your car may be different. I guess you're planning to just use the lighter plug from the 'phone changer? Make sure you bypass or removed the voltage regulator stuff or you'll worry yourself. *grin* -- Philip, imagining Curt's reaction when his meter reads 5.0 VDC. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AC and alternators?
Cheepchineechit meter for cars https://edm.tradeglobals.com:2445/Tracking/ClickLink?ID=fd7cd337-b26a-4fca-988b-a9f0e65562c2url=http://e.dx.com/collection/201307/new-arrivals/defaul.html Mini Digital Blue + Red LED DC Current Meter Voltmeter w/ Ampere Shunt -Material: Plastic -Quantity: 1 piece per pack - Application: For automotive/ motorcycles battery monitoring or other products voltage current measurement $12.10 --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Nokomis Interview
You also want to ask him for any other possibilities he might be aware of in other companies, and perhaps for a referral. Sounds like you are progressing. --R On 7/12/13 12:34 AM, Craig wrote: Thank you all for your prayers and for your interest in my situation. I prepared for the interview by reading this morning an article, Interview Questions Candidates Should Ask and searching on Google for the interviewer's name and his company's name. The article pointed out that interviewing is a two-way street. You have to convince the person who is interviewing you that they need to hire you, but they need to convince you just as much as you need to convince them. The fit for the position has to go both ways. The Google search turned up a lot of interesting information and gave me more insight into the company and their activities than the company's website did. My interviewer was relaxed and open in his interviewing and told me what he was thinking, as if we were friends. I felt little pressure in the interview. He would make a good supervisor. The interview was a worthwhile experience I enjoyed; it taught me more about the need for fit in a position. After talking about our weather and that he had worked here at LANL, he asked me about my RF experience and the type of engineering work I had done. also He asked me about my experience with high-power RF amplifiers and vacuum systems. He asked me my experiences in proposal writing; I told him about my work with them at the Lab in a time of falling budgets with one proposal I wrote being stuck on the desk of a program manager at the Lab's main Technical Area and the other being held up by DOE in Washington, D.C., where one group to whom the proposal was submitted decided they did not want to work out the details of classified matter with another DOE group. He said my CV was quite impressive, but also said he was trying to figure out where I might fit in at Nokomis. In our discussions, I mentioned several things I had learned about the company -- he was impressed by my knowledge of the company. At one point, I asked about the new building they were supposed to have been in by the end of 2010. He said they were not in the new building, that things had not worked out as planned. When I commented, I understand that, referring to my proposals, he laughed, knowing I knew how that felt. He said that their technical staff write proposals and that they had considered me to potentially lead up new efforts and act as a scientist who has a lot of experience to help business developement. He again said he was trying to figure out where I might fit at Nokomis and that he wasn't perfectly comfortable right now. The interview took about one-half hour. In thinking about the position and what the company did, even before the interview, I was wondering myself how I might fit in. That came about because the job ad to which I applied was very generic and did not mention what one might be doing. So, the interview was a worthwhile experience I enjoyed; it taught me more about the need for fit in a position. The folks at Nokomis were impressed by my CV (and even called me because of it) but the fit just wasn't there. My interviewer said I would hear from them, but my guess it will probably be from the recruiter and will probably be a thank you for applying. God bless, Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Nokomis Interview
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 9:34 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: So, the interview was a worthwhile experience I enjoyed; it taught me more about the need for fit in a position. The folks at Nokomis were impressed by my CV (and even called me because of it) but the fit just wasn't there. My interviewer said I would hear from them, but my guess it will probably be from the recruiter and will probably be a thank you for applying. It sounds like you got a lot out of the interview even if it didn't seem like it was going to lead to a job. I have to commend your tenacity and positive attitude, Craig, especially considering how long you have been out of work! I'm just two weeks into a job search myself and already feeling the pressure; I hope I can persevere the way you have if it comes to that. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
Exactly. Landing a large aircraft is really a math exercise. Horizontal velocity vs vertical velocity versus lift generated/thrust applied. Add cross wind component and density altitude [how thick is the air to produce lift]. With the 777 approach speed of approx 175 mph and a sink rate of, let's say 4000 feet per minute [way to high for short final] calculate how many seconds till impact at the approach angle. Then calculate the engine spool up time from low idle at 20% RPM to full power of 90% RPM... then the time needed to use that full thrust to accelerate a 250,000 lb aircraft. [conservative guess on weight]. Now calculate just how far behind the airplane the crew is ... the human reaction factor.. etc.. If you wait until seconds count, there is never enough time. On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 3:37 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: G Mann wrote: At this time, it certainly appears the crew was far behind the aircraft and failed first to recognize it was out of control, then second, to take corrective and effective action in a timely manner to regain control.. to little, way to late. You're saying that 7 seconds may be a long time in a F-16, but it isn't even enough time to increase thrust in a 777? (I was going to say 172, then realized that there doesn't seem to be such a thing as light aircraft in ROK) Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220?
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 9:57 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Thu, 11 Jul 2013 21:49:18 -0700 Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: Does any vehicle, apart from pickups, have decent rear visibility anymore? The thick c- and d-pillars are not the only problem. The bottoms of the windows in the rear are higher than the ones in the front, too. Yes, good point. The current E-class (W212?) is a good example, but certainly not the only one, of that trend towards an extremely wedgy shape, where the window line is at an acute angle to the roof, sweeping upward from the nose. It's as if all the designers went on a field trip to a junkyard together and fell in love with a Triumph TR7. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Human-powered helicopter finally takes Sikorsky Prize
To come up with such an amazing design is an act of sheer genius by a team of 21st century Leonardos.. On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 11:21 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: FYI -- http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-57593417-1/human-powered-helicopter-finally-takes-sikorsky-prize/?part=rsssubj=newstag=title Since 1980, the American Helicopter Society has offered the Sikorsky Prize http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_I._Sikorsky_Human_Powered_Helicopter_Competition : a $250,000 reward for a functional, human-powered helicopter. To win the prize, the helicopter must remain airborne for 60 seconds, with an altitude of 3 meters (a little less than 10 feet) to be reached at some point during those 60 seconds. It must also remain within a horizontal area no larger than 10x10 meters. Last year, it looked like the University of Maryland's Gamera II was gearing up to take the prize http://www.cnet.com.au/human-powered-helicoper-breaks-record-339340335.htm , but two Canadians have scooped it up from right under Gamera II's nose. Cameron Robertson and Todd Reichert of the University of Toronto's Vehicle Design Team and AeroVelo hit up Kickstarter last year http://news.cnet.com/human-powered-helicopter-gets-off-the-ground/8301-17938_105-20063675-1.html to fund a vehicle called the Atlas. Consisting of four rotors connected by a massive frame, the helicopter is powered by a modified bicycle slung from the middle. Robertson and Reichert had hired a stadium for five days of test flights. The successful flight didn't occur until the very last day. Reichert, piloting the Atlas, remained airborne for 64.11 seconds and reached a top height of 3.33 meters within a 9.8-meter square. In 18 months, this passionate team went from preliminary design to achieving what many considered impossible; taking down one of the most daunting aviation feats of the past century, the team said on its Web page http://www.aerovelo.com/2013/07/11/aerovelo-officially-awarded-ahs-sikorsky-prize/ . Video at : http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-57593417-1/human-powered-helicopter-finally-takes-sikorsky-prize/?part=rsssubj=newstag=title -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] College rebuilds
I actually owned two '51 VWs for awhile, one was the delux model, the other was the standard. The difference was hydraulic vs. mechanical brakes and the aluminum trim strips on the delux. While I was rebuilding the VW, a friend and his father were restoring a Model A - I think he still has it. On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 11:13 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I rebuilt the engine from my 1951VW in my bedroom while in high school. Step Mom wasn't too happy about it, but Dad was giving my guidance, and didn't mind. Okie Don Wow! 51 VW! I always thought my 56 Karmann Ghia was prehistoric. Yours is even earlier. Now while I love my 40 + year old car, when I was a kid, a 40 year old car was a Model A. Not many people drove a model A then. We did have a neighbor who drove his Model T, and it was his only vehicle. (old guy) I rebuilt my OM621 under a big old box elder tree, under a red surplus cargo parachute hung from the box elder tree to keep the rain off. I often skipped classes to work on it. It was much more interesting than calc, fizziks, and such. One block off campus...and only a block form the nearest bar. Better yet, I was next door to the fix it guy. He would take on jobs that nobody else would. Ex submariner. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Benz for Sale
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-23275089 Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Nokomis Interview
A good learning experience, anyway, even if it doesn't directly produce and offer. 'Good prep for the next one. 'Hope all goes well. Wilton - Original Message - From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 12:34 AM Subject: [MBZ] Nokomis Interview Thank you all for your prayers and for your interest in my situation. I prepared for the interview by reading this morning an article, Interview Questions Candidates Should Ask and searching on Google for the interviewer's name and his company's name. The article pointed out that interviewing is a two-way street. You have to convince the person who is interviewing you that they need to hire you, but they need to convince you just as much as you need to convince them. The fit for the position has to go both ways. The Google search turned up a lot of interesting information and gave me more insight into the company and their activities than the company's website did. My interviewer was relaxed and open in his interviewing and told me what he was thinking, as if we were friends. I felt little pressure in the interview. He would make a good supervisor. The interview was a worthwhile experience I enjoyed; it taught me more about the need for fit in a position. After talking about our weather and that he had worked here at LANL, he asked me about my RF experience and the type of engineering work I had done. also He asked me about my experience with high-power RF amplifiers and vacuum systems. He asked me my experiences in proposal writing; I told him about my work with them at the Lab in a time of falling budgets with one proposal I wrote being stuck on the desk of a program manager at the Lab's main Technical Area and the other being held up by DOE in Washington, D.C., where one group to whom the proposal was submitted decided they did not want to work out the details of classified matter with another DOE group. He said my CV was quite impressive, but also said he was trying to figure out where I might fit in at Nokomis. In our discussions, I mentioned several things I had learned about the company -- he was impressed by my knowledge of the company. At one point, I asked about the new building they were supposed to have been in by the end of 2010. He said they were not in the new building, that things had not worked out as planned. When I commented, I understand that, referring to my proposals, he laughed, knowing I knew how that felt. He said that their technical staff write proposals and that they had considered me to potentially lead up new efforts and act as a scientist who has a lot of experience to help business developement. He again said he was trying to figure out where I might fit at Nokomis and that he wasn't perfectly comfortable right now. The interview took about one-half hour. In thinking about the position and what the company did, even before the interview, I was wondering myself how I might fit in. That came about because the job ad to which I applied was very generic and did not mention what one might be doing. So, the interview was a worthwhile experience I enjoyed; it taught me more about the need for fit in a position. The folks at Nokomis were impressed by my CV (and even called me because of it) but the fit just wasn't there. My interviewer said I would hear from them, but my guess it will probably be from the recruiter and will probably be a thank you for applying. God bless, Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220?
Probably due to wind resistance (CoD), lower = more mpg. On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 9:13 AM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: Yes, good point. The current E-class (W212?) is a good example, but certainly not the only one, of that trend towards an extremely wedgy shape, where the window line is at an acute angle to the roof, sweeping upward from the nose. It's as if all the designers went on a field trip to a junkyard together and fell in love with a Triumph TR7. Alex -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Fan clutch
Does anyone know if there is an electric fan clutch available for the 617 engine? Manfred ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Human-powered helicopter finally takes Sikorsky Prize
Yup, thinking out-side-the-box. Long, thin, slow wings are the most efficient, and more is usually better --- Engineering the structure to hold it all together and to effeciently transfer the energy from the bike crank to the blades is what amazes me. On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 9:18 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: To come up with such an amazing design is an act of sheer genius by a team of 21st century Leonardos.. -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
'Zackly why ya gotta stay on top of airspeed and altitude ALL the time, especially at such a critical time as descent, approach, etc. Wilton - Original Message - From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path? Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net writes: You're saying that 7 seconds may be a long time in a F-16, but it isn't even enough time to increase thrust in a 777? (I was going to say 172, then realized that there doesn't seem to be such a thing as light aircraft in ROK) I think I read that the FAA standard is 5 seconds to spool up from idle but remember they were in landing configuration, flaps and landing gear deployed (thus draggy), descending, and significantly slow, and with a jet/turbofan the power comes on late, kind of like turbo lag in a car. Then, even when the engines attain full thrust it's going to take some time to get back to a speed where they can arrest their descent and start gaining altitude. In their situation, trying to recover the profile or go around from 7 seconds out was probably impossible. -- Allan Streib ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Nokomis Interview
Rich Thomas wrote: You also want to ask him for any other possibilities he might be aware of in other companies, and perhaps for a referral. After the kiss off letter from the company, right? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220?
Alex Chamberlain wrote: Yes, good point. The current E-class (W212?) is a good example, but certainly not the only one, of that trend towards an extremely wedgy shape, where the window line is at an acute angle to the roof, sweeping upward from the nose. It's as if all the designers went on a field trip to a junkyard together and fell in love with a CHOPPED TOP Triumph TR7. Fixed it for ya. TR7s don't have gun slits for windows, modern rolling bunkers do. I don't know if it's to save the weight of the glass, or to make the doors stronger with a higher place to mount air bags, or styling, or a combination of all three. The problem is I feel like I'm sitting in a German pillbox waiting for the Normandy Invasion to land in front of me. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Human-powered helicopter finally takes Sikorsky Prize
That's pretty sweet from a cyclist point of view. They're using some pretty expensive technology in the cockpit, around $3,000 worth of carbon fiber from Cervelo and others. Nice. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (168,xxx mi) On 7/11/2013 10:21 PM, OK Don wrote: FYI -- http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-57593417-1/human-powered-helicopter-finally-takes-sikorsky-prize/?part=rsssubj=newstag=title Since 1980, the American Helicopter Society has offered the Sikorsky Prizehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_I._Sikorsky_Human_Powered_Helicopter_Competition: a $250,000 reward for a functional, human-powered helicopter. To win the prize, the helicopter must remain airborne for 60 seconds, with an altitude of 3 meters (a little less than 10 feet) to be reached at some point during those 60 seconds. It must also remain within a horizontal area no larger than 10x10 meters. Last year, it looked like the University of Maryland's Gamera II was gearing up to take the prizehttp://www.cnet.com.au/human-powered-helicoper-breaks-record-339340335.htm, but two Canadians have scooped it up from right under Gamera II's nose. Cameron Robertson and Todd Reichert of the University of Toronto's Vehicle Design Team and AeroVelo hit up Kickstarter last yearhttp://news.cnet.com/human-powered-helicopter-gets-off-the-ground/8301-17938_105-20063675-1.htmlto fund a vehicle called the Atlas. Consisting of four rotors connected by a massive frame, the helicopter is powered by a modified bicycle slung from the middle. Robertson and Reichert had hired a stadium for five days of test flights. The successful flight didn't occur until the very last day. Reichert, piloting the Atlas, remained airborne for 64.11 seconds and reached a top height of 3.33 meters within a 9.8-meter square. In 18 months, this passionate team went from preliminary design to achieving what many considered impossible; taking down one of the most daunting aviation feats of the past century, the team said on its Web pagehttp://www.aerovelo.com/2013/07/11/aerovelo-officially-awarded-ahs-sikorsky-prize/ . Video at : http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-57593417-1/human-powered-helicopter-finally-takes-sikorsky-prize/?part=rsssubj=newstag=title ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220?
I think the latest generation Jetta/Passat is about the best you can get but still not great. -Curt Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 21:49:18 -0700 From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220? Message-ID: CABHyH=YmJjo=1tjmkpysarh0ns9uf4n4pmdyjmbqwkcyvea...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Jul 11, 2013 8:55 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: the post 126 MBs just don't have all the pieces. Missing visibility, (rear) ease of repair, financial, quality of construction at least. (sorry Jaime) It makes me sad. Does any vehicle, apart from pickups, have decent rear visibility anymore? I don't know if it's due to changes in crash standards or just fashion, but I see really thick c-pillars (on sedans) and d-pillars (on wagons and hatchbacks) everywhere I look. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Human-powered helicopter finally takes Sikorsky Prize
Very elegant Sent from my iPhone On Jul 12, 2013, at 11:36 AM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: That's pretty sweet from a cyclist point of view. They're using some pretty expensive technology in the cockpit, around $3,000 worth of carbon fiber from Cervelo and others. Nice. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (168,xxx mi) On 7/11/2013 10:21 PM, OK Don wrote: FYI -- http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-57593417-1/human-powered-helicopter-finally-takes-sikorsky-prize/?part=rsssubj=newstag=title Since 1980, the American Helicopter Society has offered the Sikorsky Prizehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_I._Sikorsky_Human_Powered_Helicopter_Competition: a $250,000 reward for a functional, human-powered helicopter. To win the prize, the helicopter must remain airborne for 60 seconds, with an altitude of 3 meters (a little less than 10 feet) to be reached at some point during those 60 seconds. It must also remain within a horizontal area no larger than 10x10 meters. Last year, it looked like the University of Maryland's Gamera II was gearing up to take the prizehttp://www.cnet.com.au/human-powered-helicoper-breaks-record-339340335.htm, but two Canadians have scooped it up from right under Gamera II's nose. Cameron Robertson and Todd Reichert of the University of Toronto's Vehicle Design Team and AeroVelo hit up Kickstarter last yearhttp://news.cnet.com/human-powered-helicopter-gets-off-the-ground/8301-17938_105-20063675-1.htmlto fund a vehicle called the Atlas. Consisting of four rotors connected by a massive frame, the helicopter is powered by a modified bicycle slung from the middle. Robertson and Reichert had hired a stadium for five days of test flights. The successful flight didn't occur until the very last day. Reichert, piloting the Atlas, remained airborne for 64.11 seconds and reached a top height of 3.33 meters within a 9.8-meter square. In 18 months, this passionate team went from preliminary design to achieving what many considered impossible; taking down one of the most daunting aviation feats of the past century, the team said on its Web pagehttp://www.aerovelo.com/2013/07/11/aerovelo-officially-awarded-ahs-sikorsky-prize/ . Video at : http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-57593417-1/human-powered-helicopter-finally-takes-sikorsky-prize/?part=rsssubj=newstag=title ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Nokomis Interview
Well, in this case he had a good conversation with the guy, who appeared genuinely interested in his abilities and was trying to think of how he would fit in the company. So, if not that company, maybe the guy had some other contacts. Most jobs come from networking, so that is one way to do it. And asking takes all of 5 seconds, and the worst that can happen is the guy says, no but you might plant a seed for the guy to think in the future of this other guy he talked to in the past. So, what's the downside? Stop being such a cynic. --R On 7/12/13 11:28 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: You also want to ask him for any other possibilities he might be aware of in other companies, and perhaps for a referral. After the kiss off letter from the company, right? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT Some good Jagyoowahh noises
http://www.wired.com/autopia/2013/07/jaguar-project-7/?viewall=true --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AC and alternators?
I have a voltmeter very similar to the one from Wal-Mart. I observe that it is not particularly accurate and the reading is off by a good bit if the meter is hot (like sitting in a closed car). Still, it's convenient. MMM wrote: I use one of these widgets: http://www.walmart.com/ip/Equus-Innova-3721-Battery-and-Charging-System-Mo nitor/15137663 Curt wrote: stinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Human-powered helicopter finally takes Sikorsky Prize
Hey DImitri, If you still need a rear caliper I have at least one spare next time you're around here. We can barter. On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 11:50 AM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: Very elegant Sent from my iPhone On Jul 12, 2013, at 11:36 AM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: That's pretty sweet from a cyclist point of view. They're using some pretty expensive technology in the cockpit, around $3,000 worth of carbon fiber from Cervelo and others. Nice. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (168,xxx mi) On 7/11/2013 10:21 PM, OK Don wrote: FYI -- http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-57593417-1/human-powered-helicopter-finally-takes-sikorsky-prize/?part=rsssubj=newstag=title Since 1980, the American Helicopter Society has offered the Sikorsky Prize http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_I._Sikorsky_Human_Powered_Helicopter_Competition : a $250,000 reward for a functional, human-powered helicopter. To win the prize, the helicopter must remain airborne for 60 seconds, with an altitude of 3 meters (a little less than 10 feet) to be reached at some point during those 60 seconds. It must also remain within a horizontal area no larger than 10x10 meters. Last year, it looked like the University of Maryland's Gamera II was gearing up to take the prize http://www.cnet.com.au/human-powered-helicoper-breaks-record-339340335.htm , but two Canadians have scooped it up from right under Gamera II's nose. Cameron Robertson and Todd Reichert of the University of Toronto's Vehicle Design Team and AeroVelo hit up Kickstarter last year http://news.cnet.com/human-powered-helicopter-gets-off-the-ground/8301-17938_105-20063675-1.html to fund a vehicle called the Atlas. Consisting of four rotors connected by a massive frame, the helicopter is powered by a modified bicycle slung from the middle. Robertson and Reichert had hired a stadium for five days of test flights. The successful flight didn't occur until the very last day. Reichert, piloting the Atlas, remained airborne for 64.11 seconds and reached a top height of 3.33 meters within a 9.8-meter square. In 18 months, this passionate team went from preliminary design to achieving what many considered impossible; taking down one of the most daunting aviation feats of the past century, the team said on its Web page http://www.aerovelo.com/2013/07/11/aerovelo-officially-awarded-ahs-sikorsky-prize/ . Video at : http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-57593417-1/human-powered-helicopter-finally-takes-sikorsky-prize/?part=rsssubj=newstag=title ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AC and alternators?
On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 6:50 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Cheepchineechit meter for cars https://edm.tradeglobals.com:**2445/Tracking/ClickLink?ID=** fd7cd337-b26a-4fca-988b-**a9f0e65562c2url=http://e.dx.** com/collection/201307/new-**arrivals/defaul.htmlhttps://edm.tradeglobals.com:2445/Tracking/ClickLink?ID=fd7cd337-b26a-4fca-988b-a9f0e65562c2url=http://e.dx.com/collection/201307/new-arrivals/defaul.html Awesome. I totally need that for my motorcycle, along with the backup camera I've already installed next to the license plate to give me an extra rear-view mirror. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 240D
1980 240D - chocolate brown with white - (parchment?) upholstery manual transmission and hand crank windows advertised locally with about 235K miles on it photos look nice no mention of AC so that might be bad news reasonable price? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Benz for Sale
Did you bid? On Friday, July 12, 2013, Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-23275089 Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AC and alternators?
At 9:50 AM -0400 7/12/13, Rich Thomas wrote: Cheepchineechit meter for cars http://dx.com/p/mini-digital-blue-red-led-dc-current-meter-voltmeter-w-ampere-shunt-219592?utm_source=dxutm_medium=edmutm_campaign=20130711updatenewarrivals What self-respecting Benz owner is gonna mount THAT on the dash? ;) I'm also wondering how the ammeter measures a double digit negative reading. For four bucks more, I'll stick with the Walleyworld gizmo what you can put in the cigarette lighter. :D -MMM- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220?
Alex Chamberlain wrote: Yes, good point. The current E-class (W212?) is a good example, but certainly not the only one, of that trend towards an extremely wedgy shape, where the window line is at an acute angle to the roof, sweeping upward from the nose. It's as if all the designers went on a field trip to a junkyard together and fell in love with a CHOPPED TOP Triumph TR7. Fixed it for ya. TR7s don't have gun slits for windows, modern rolling bunkers do. I don't know if it's to save the weight of the glass, or to make the doors stronger with a higher place to mount air bags, or styling, or a combination of all three. The problem is I feel like I'm sitting in a German pillbox waiting for the Normandy Invasion to land in front of me. Mitch. A lot of them look like armored cars by intent. I loved the one 108/109 ad MBNA ran in the 70s in newspapers. It showed a family in the car, looking through the windshield. There was so much glass and visibility Then we lived in an open, confident, secure society. Now after 20-40 years of the jackass party and the media minions beating on us, they have turned us to a dependent, insecure society run by the new gestapo. every thing we do is saved in the goobermnt vaults to be used against us individually, if they choose. So, you'd better keep you lip zipped. The cars only mimic the society we have. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Nokomis Interview
Rich Thomas wrote: Well, in this case he had a good conversation with the guy, who appeared genuinely interested in his abilities and was trying to think of how he would fit in the company. So, if not that company, maybe the guy had some other contacts. Most jobs come from networking, so that is one way to do it. And asking takes all of 5 seconds, and the worst that can happen is the guy says, no but you might plant a seed for the guy to think in the future of this other guy he talked to in the past. So, what's the downside? Stop being such a cynic. I was thinking in terms of I really want to work with you guys until the moment where it became impossible to work with those guys. Then I would say I really want to work. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Benz for Sale
If wishes were horses (Benz) , the poor would ride Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Benz for Sale Did you bid? On Friday, July 12, 2013, Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-23275089 Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: More on Asiana SFO flight
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/12/teen-in-asiana-crash-hit-by-fire-truck-police-say/?test=latestnews The NTSB's investigation is being followed closely by pilots in the U.S. and around the world. At one gathering of pilots in Dallas Wednesday night, the discussion centered on why the Asiana pilots didn't realize their low speed sooner. No one had an answer. There are a lot of very experienced airline pilots who are scratching their heads right now, Collins said. As are a lot of less-experienced pilots and non-pilots. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220?
On 11/07/2013 11:49 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Jul 11, 2013 8:55 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: the post 126 MBs just don't have all the pieces. Missing visibility, (rear) ease of repair, financial, quality of construction at least. (sorry Jaime) It makes me sad. Does any vehicle, apart from pickups, have decent rear visibility anymore? I don't know if it's due to changes in crash standards or just fashion, but I see really thick c-pillars (on sedans) and d-pillars (on wagons and hatchbacks) everywhere I look. Alex ___ Pickups are not so wonderful for rear view either. They are so tall that a small car that pulls up close behind me at a stop light essentially disappears. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
Boy you guys are critcal. They flew this great big plane all the way accross the bloody Pacific and got to the correct airport and runway. They only missed by what, 25 feet or so? If they had managed to clear the landing gear they likely could have set it down. Think how much worse things would have been if they had been 25 feet lower and had slammed into the seawall headfirst??? Randy who hopes the pilots are on the ball the next time he flies On 11/07/2013 6:42 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Asians can't drive so why think they can fly? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 11, 2013, at 6:38 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Speaking of not being able to do a visual approach; evidently, neither can three 10-khr Korean pilots. Wilton - Original Message - From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu To: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path? Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com writes: If it going to be all automated, then eliminate the people and thereby pilot error. If these guys (or gals ) are sitting in the seat, they need to be monitoring the critical parameters (altitude, attitude and airspeed) whether on manual or auto. Eliminating the people might in theory eliminate the pilot error (though the automation is all created and programmed by people too). My view is that there is a catch 22 of sorts. Could an automated aircraft have landed US 1549 on the Hudson River when the engines were disabled by birds? No. No way. You would have had several hundred fatalities in that situation if a robot was flying the airplane. Only a human, has the ability to react intelligently to a completely unanticipated situation. Unfortunately, though, not all pilots are Chesley Sullenberger. Most, by definition, are average. So no guarantee that any average human pilot could have saved that situation, but certainly ONLY a human pilot had any chance to do so. On the other hand, would a robot pilot have made the mistakes that the OZ 214 pilots did? No. If there's one thing computers are good at (and people are bad at) it's monitoring things without ever making assumptions or getting distracted. However computers can't do visual approaches yet, and that was the only option at SFO 28L that day since the ILS was out of service. On balance, automation has probably saved more lives than it's cost. Automation relieves the pilot workload, flies more economically than humans can, and in general files more safely. I think the unfortunate reality is that commercial air transport, while very (VERY) safe, is not perfectly safe. Situations can arise, where the automation cannot handle it and a human, being human, makes a bad decision. All we can do is try to learn from it. Allan -- Allan Streib ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch
On Fri, 12 Jul 2013 10:40:54 -0400 MG trainpain2...@aol.com wrote: Does anyone know if there is an electric fan clutch available for the 617 engine? I have never heard of one. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
I think they mostly sat and dozed across the pacific - the far greater part of it on auto-everything - autopilot, autonav, autocruise, altitude hold, autothrottle, etc. I doubt very seriously that they did much real flying of the aircraft on the entire trip. Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path? Boy you guys are critcal. They flew this great big plane all the way accross the bloody Pacific and got to the correct airport and runway. They only missed by what, 25 feet or so? If they had managed to clear the landing gear they likely could have set it down. Think how much worse things would have been if they had been 25 feet lower and had slammed into the seawall headfirst??? Randy who hopes the pilots are on the ball the next time he flies On 11/07/2013 6:42 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Asians can't drive so why think they can fly? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 11, 2013, at 6:38 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Speaking of not being able to do a visual approach; evidently, neither can three 10-khr Korean pilots. Wilton - Original Message - From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu To: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path? Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com writes: If it going to be all automated, then eliminate the people and thereby pilot error. If these guys (or gals ) are sitting in the seat, they need to be monitoring the critical parameters (altitude, attitude and airspeed) whether on manual or auto. Eliminating the people might in theory eliminate the pilot error (though the automation is all created and programmed by people too). My view is that there is a catch 22 of sorts. Could an automated aircraft have landed US 1549 on the Hudson River when the engines were disabled by birds? No. No way. You would have had several hundred fatalities in that situation if a robot was flying the airplane. Only a human, has the ability to react intelligently to a completely unanticipated situation. Unfortunately, though, not all pilots are Chesley Sullenberger. Most, by definition, are average. So no guarantee that any average human pilot could have saved that situation, but certainly ONLY a human pilot had any chance to do so. On the other hand, would a robot pilot have made the mistakes that the OZ 214 pilots did? No. If there's one thing computers are good at (and people are bad at) it's monitoring things without ever making assumptions or getting distracted. However computers can't do visual approaches yet, and that was the only option at SFO 28L that day since the ILS was out of service. On balance, automation has probably saved more lives than it's cost. Automation relieves the pilot workload, flies more economically than humans can, and in general files more safely. I think the unfortunate reality is that commercial air transport, while very (VERY) safe, is not perfectly safe. Situations can arise, where the automation cannot handle it and a human, being human, makes a bad decision. All we can do is try to learn from it. Allan -- Allan Streib ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D
Condition is everything. My '78 was the opposite of that one, white outside chocolate brown interior. I paid $1500 with maybe 10k fewer miles and non-working AC that just needed a hose and a drier. Today prices are higher, $1500 doesn't buy a car that will pass MA inspection, for that you're looking at $2500... I looked at a Jetta TDI a few weeks ago, he was asking $3500, it needs some work. Turn signal lenses and a few little things (glow plugs) to pass inspection, has a little rust. Worse its got a turbo whine I think means the turbo is packing up. I got him down to $3000 but he wouldn't go a penny less. I walked. I test drove a 2001 Saab 93, they want $1500. It starts and runs good, radio doesn't work at all. CEL on, parking brake indicator on, brake wear indicator on, no parking brake at all, some rust. I probably coulda had it for $1200 but walked... Based on that I suspect I could still sell my 240D (once the head/headgasket issue is worked out) for $1000, I suspect my 190D is now around $3k (I paid $250). -Curt Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 11:37:34 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] 240D Message-ID: 51e030ce.8070...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed 1980 240D - chocolate brown with white - (parchment?) upholstery manual transmission and hand crank windows advertised locally with about 235K miles on it photos look nice no mention of AC so that might be bad news reasonable price? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
Read that thing I posted about the flight instructor's experience in Korea, and the more general statement that thousands of hours of flight time might be a small fraction of actual flying time. Not that sitting with your hand on the stick for 12 hours across the ocean would be a great bit of flying experience, but once you start the descent and approach having your hands on the throttle and stick is flying, not turning knobs on the autopilot from 300ft at takeoff until it actually hits ground again (one hopes, on a runway pointed in the right direction, wheels down, greasy side down, etc.). You get a feel for where the airplane is, what the engines are doing, what your throttle position is, etc. (that is of course you should also be monitoring your instruments that will tell you where you are and what state the airplane is in). I really wonder how much actual flying time these guys had, either in that airplane or in any airplane. --R On 7/12/13 3:59 PM, WILTON wrote: I think they mostly sat and dozed across the pacific - the far greater part of it on auto-everything - autopilot, autonav, autocruise, altitude hold, autothrottle, etc. I doubt very seriously that they did much real flying of the aircraft on the entire trip. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
'Zackly. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path? Read that thing I posted about the flight instructor's experience in Korea, and the more general statement that thousands of hours of flight time might be a small fraction of actual flying time. Not that sitting with your hand on the stick for 12 hours across the ocean would be a great bit of flying experience, but once you start the descent and approach having your hands on the throttle and stick is flying, not turning knobs on the autopilot from 300ft at takeoff until it actually hits ground again (one hopes, on a runway pointed in the right direction, wheels down, greasy side down, etc.). You get a feel for where the airplane is, what the engines are doing, what your throttle position is, etc. (that is of course you should also be monitoring your instruments that will tell you where you are and what state the airplane is in). I really wonder how much actual flying time these guys had, either in that airplane or in any airplane. --R On 7/12/13 3:59 PM, WILTON wrote: I think they mostly sat and dozed across the pacific - the far greater part of it on auto-everything - autopilot, autonav, autocruise, altitude hold, autothrottle, etc. I doubt very seriously that they did much real flying of the aircraft on the entire trip. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] w140 OR w220?
Yup, the rear view from the Pasat is not as good as the 124s it replaced, but might be a bit better than the new C class we drove last year before buying the Passat. On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I think the latest generation Jetta/Passat is about the best you can get but still not great. -Curt -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch
I think your options are to get and try one from a 601 in a W201 - 190D, or replace the entire fan with an electric fan or two mounted where the fan shroud is now. Then you can control it electrically all you want :-) On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Fri, 12 Jul 2013 10:40:54 -0400 MG trainpain2...@aol.com wrote: Does anyone know if there is an electric fan clutch available for the 617 engine? I have never heard of one. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch
At 7:04 PM -0500 7/12/13, OK Don wrote: I think your options are to get and try one from a 601 in a W201 - 190D, or replace the entire fan with an electric fan or two mounted where the fan shroud is now. Then you can control it electrically all you want :-) Speaking of which, Don, I wanna wire the electric radiator fan in your former 450SLC for manual control as needed. Where's a good place to splice in the wiring? -MMM- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch
Why not wire it in at the high temp switch at the receiver dryer? Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 12, 2013, at 8:42 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel marme...@gmail.com wrote: At 7:04 PM -0500 7/12/13, OK Don wrote: I think your options are to get and try one from a 601 in a W201 - 190D, or replace the entire fan with an electric fan or two mounted where the fan shroud is now. Then you can control it electrically all you want :-) Speaking of which, Don, I wanna wire the electric radiator fan in your former 450SLC for manual control as needed. Where's a good place to splice in the wiring? -MMM- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch
At 8:54 PM -0400 7/12/13, Dan Penoff wrote: Why not wire it in at the high temp switch at the receiver dryer? Good idea. Where dat? -MMM- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch
On Fri, 12 Jul 2013 20:20:21 -0500 M. Mitchell Marmel marme...@gmail.com wrote: At 8:54 PM -0400 7/12/13, Dan Penoff wrote: Why not wire it in at the high temp switch at the receiver dryer? Good idea. Where dat? Considering the vintage of your car, look for the cylinderical thing in the A/C plumbing in the engine compartment that has the sight glass and a brass dohickey with a couple of wires on it. The wires are the ones you want to tap in to. I'm guessing you will want your manual switch to short the two wires together, just like the temperature switch on the receiver drier does. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Asiana Crew Report - SFO Crash
Interesting update from KTVU: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/12/asiana-pilots-fake-names-racist_n_3588569.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch
The receiver drier is by the port side of the radiator -- On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 9:14 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Fri, 12 Jul 2013 20:20:21 -0500 M. Mitchell Marmel marme...@gmail.com wrote: At 8:54 PM -0400 7/12/13, Dan Penoff wrote: Why not wire it in at the high temp switch at the receiver dryer? Good idea. Where dat? Considering the vintage of your car, look for the cylinderical thing in the A/C plumbing in the engine compartment that has the sight glass and a brass dohickey with a couple of wires on it. The wires are the ones you want to tap in to. I'm guessing you will want your manual switch to short the two wires together, just like the temperature switch on the receiver drier does. Craig -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 450SLC
Secret message to MMM - how is the car doing, other than a potential heating issue, if I'm reading between the lines correctly about the aux fan??? -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch
Yes, the 4cyl cars were the only ones to have the electromechanical fan clutch (starting with the 190E 2.3 190D 2.2 here in the US.). Just buy a new fan clutch for your OM617, instead of trying to re-engineer the car be done with itAre you currently having cooling issues? On 7/12/2013 8:04 PM, OK Don wrote: I think your options are to get and try one from a 601 in a W201 - 190D -- Chris J. MBCA Peachtree section Past MB Models: '85 190D 2.2, '94 E420, '87 260E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Asiana Crew Report - SFO Crash
Ho Lee F** indeed!!! And people in the media wonder why nobody takes them seriously anymore?? On Fri, Jul 12, 2013, at 10:33 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Interesting update from KTVU: [1]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/12/asiana-pilots-fake-names-ra cist_n_3588569.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular ___ [2]http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives [3]http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: [4]http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com References 1. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/12/asiana-pilots-fake-names-racist_n_3588569.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular 2. http://www.okiebenz.com/ 3. http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ 4. http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Asiana Crew Report - SFO Crash
On Jul 12, 2013, at 10:18 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Ho Lee F** indeed!!! And people in the media wonder why nobody takes them seriously anymore?? This sums it up... http://youtu.be/46bBWBG9r2o Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fan clutch
At 9:39 PM -0500 7/12/13, OK Don wrote: The receiver drier is by the port side of the radiator -- Out in front. Found it. And those two wires coming out are for the fan? -MMM- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
