Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
When legislators vote without even reading legislation which runs thousands of pages and is rewritten the night before, I suspect there are many unintended consequences. Unintended by the legislators, perhaps. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Nebraska or North East? was - 123 steering wheel (some cat content)
> Mountain wrote: > > I need to live in NE. I have always thought that NE seemed a > quaint practical place to live. Probably not much different than > IL, but... Nebraska is better than Illinois simply because it doesn't have Chicago. However, if you live - or even visit - in Nebraska and don't display some evidence of supporting the Cornhuskers football team your life _may_ be at risk. Or do you mean the North East? Vermont is pretty good, I hear. New Hampshire is lopsided like Illinois but it's Boston "suburbs" that muck up it's politics. Maine seems okay. The rest I don't know enough about to comment. -- Philip, who doesn't like un-referenced abbreviations. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
Consequences? They are everywhere: unemployment, jobs exported, inflation, national debt, balance of payments, a generation that doesn't know how to work, etc. This is truly a forest for the trees situation. > -Original Message- > From: Curt Raymond > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 12:33 PM > ... > I find it interesting that every time the topic of raising the minimum > wage comes up the nay-sayers always tout the rise as the end of the world. > Companies will go out of business, your kids will never get a summer job > etc. None of that ever seems to come through though. > > -Curt > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
When legislators vote without even reading legislation which runs thousands of pages and is rewritten the night before, I suspect there are many unintended consequences. > -Original Message- > From: Rick Knoble > Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 8:42 PM > ... > IMHO, there_is_no_such_thing as unintended consequences in law making. > ... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 steering wheel (some cat content)
Oh! I was reading NE as NEBRASKA - Lincoln AFB, Nebraska. I wondered how Nebraska suddenly got in got in here; 'hadn't heard/read y'all mention it before. ;<) Wilton - Original Message - From: "Dwight Giles" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 10:02 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 steering wheel (some cat content) I live in southern RI h& work in Boston. What base was that in Lincoln? I live near the old Quonset seabee base. On Jan 27, 2014 9:35 PM, "WILTON" wrote: Where in NE? I lived in Lincoln Oct '57 - Mar '60. Maintenance crew chief on B-47E's; 'worked my ass off for nearly nothing. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Dwight Giles" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 steering wheel (some cat content) Ah Yes the steering wheel ; that's what started it. I moved to NE 12 years ago & like it here. I have lived in south, mid atlantic, southern Ohio & Ny but I plan to stay in NE. On Jan 27, 2014 9:23 PM, "Mountain Man" wrote: Dwight wrote: > Come on down. co-op is halfway between our house &Charleston. Maybe > > You > can pull head& turbo & we can turn 240D into turbo like john's. > I need to live in NE. I have always thought that NE seemed a quaint practical place to live. Probably not much different than IL, but... your PartsQ sounds like a fun adventure. Don't forget the steering wheel for Rick. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the tips
Depends on how much we managed to mess up the sheets. Hendrik who did do some tipping, reluctantly On 28/01/14 15:04, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Who among you tips hotel room maids by leaving a fiver on the pillow as you check out? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
Yeah when we where in tipping land, we stopped in some Italian restaurant for Sunday lunch and the waitress did mention that the churchies are somewhat frugal, spose they put all their spare change in the plate at the prayer centre. We tipped her a bommerang and a half. Hendrik who hates tipping On 28/01/14 12:42, Rich Thomas wrote: No it's the Sunday after-church crowd. 20 people, separate checks, count to the penny, stiff the waitron. --R (sent from my miniPad) On Jan 27, 2014, at 6:29 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: My waitstaff friends tell me Doctors and Lawyers and other folks with money tend to be the worst tippers. I've never worked for tips so I really don't know. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 99% of the old citizens
Latest polling suggests you are losing the grey vote Hendrik who still has a fair way to to until 65 On 28/01/14 13:26, Mountain Man wrote: H&F wrote: Hmmnh, sounds familiar. Obviously you'll need wars for all these heroes to shed blood in, perhaps set them on the non citizens? Perhaps for now we'll just put this proposal in the maybe pile. That was what I was thinking also. More war? Where? Why? Do any of these blood shedding warriors return home or do they all die? - who wants some warrior-spirit guy in the office teaching kids? A good percentage are maimed for life from what I am hearing. I'll add another line in the suggested chapter since we don't like war and bloodshed. How about no health care for people older than 65. The challenge is to live to age 65 in such a way that you have no health issues. Lose the boomers, more jobs for the unemployed youth that have education debt, etc. Yeah, 65 is old enough, I'll be there in a few years. The time has been good and we eat well, no health issues. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
My old mum was in service as a young woman, so I have been trained to appreciate and reward the hard work of all, high and low. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. > > From: Andrew Strasfogel >To: Mercedes Discussion List >Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 11:34 PM >Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people > > >Who among you tips hotel room maids by leaving a fiver on the pillow as you >check out? > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 steering wheel (some cat content)
I need a LR caliper for my 85 300TD. On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 10:02 PM, Dwight Giles wrote: > I live in southern RI h& work in Boston. What base was that in Lincoln? I > live near the old Quonset seabee base. > On Jan 27, 2014 9:35 PM, "WILTON" wrote: > > > Where in NE? I lived in Lincoln Oct '57 - Mar '60. Maintenance crew > > chief on B-47E's; 'worked my ass off for nearly nothing. > > > > Wilton > > > > - Original Message - From: "Dwight Giles" < > dwight.gi...@gmail.com> > > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 9:29 PM > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 steering wheel (some cat content) > > > > > > Ah Yes the steering wheel ; that's what started it. I moved to NE 12 > years > >> ago & like it here. I have lived in south, mid atlantic, southern Ohio > & > >> Ny but I plan to stay in NE. > >> On Jan 27, 2014 9:23 PM, "Mountain Man" wrote: > >> > >> Dwight wrote: > >>> > Come on down. co-op is halfway between our house &Charleston. Maybe > > > >>> You > >>> > can pull head& turbo & we can turn 240D into turbo like john's. > >>> > > >>> > >>> I need to live in NE. I have always thought that NE seemed a quaint > >>> practical place to live. Probably not much different than IL, but... > >>> your PartsQ sounds like a fun adventure. Don't forget the steering > >>> wheel for Rick. > >>> mao > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
Said by whom - Karl Rove? On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Larry T wrote: > one more thing about giving and receiving and using other peoples money -- > it has been said a republican sees an injustice - he pulls out his wallet, > organizes a fund raiser or opens his home to less fortunate while a > democrat will see an injustice and work tirelessly to get a law passed so > everyone 'gives". > > > Sincerely, > Larry > > On 1/26/2014 9:05 PM, G Mann wrote: > >> All good efforts in finding quotations from Bible, my thanks and respect >> for those who went the extra mile. >> >> Regards the quote above of "Tis more blessed to give than receive" . It is >> indeed, when that giving is done with good intent and given freely from >> product of your own labors. The rub comes when that "giving" is done by >> others, with the treasure or goods taken from others by force, deception, >> or theft... and when that "giving' is done for the express purpose of >> gaining power over the less fortunate, or electing yourself to office, or >> some other material gain which you benefit from the original theft. >> >> In my Theology classes.. that would have a "compound sin"... But, it would >> buy you an "E ticket" ride to hell.. ;)) [or prison] >> >> Grant... >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 6:52 PM, Mountain Man >> wrote: >> >> Craig wrote: >>> Another appropriate text is Ephesians 4:28: Let the thief no longer steal, but rather let him labor, doing honest work with his own hands, so that he may have something to share with anyone in need. >>> More follow up: >>> >>> "I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to >>> support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he >>> said, It is more blessed to give than to receive." >>> >>> Neither of these leaves room for greed or amassing of wealth, perhaps? >>> And perhaps this is what is critical against the accumulation of >>> wealth - giving rather than receiving. Perhaps we should rather give >>> as we receive so that we do not amass a fortune that needs to be >>> dispersed. i.e. WarrenB gives more than he receives and starts a >>> revolution rather than establishing socialism. >>> mao >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
Who among you tips hotel room maids by leaving a fiver on the pillow as you check out? On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 11:08 PM, Frederick Moir wrote: > Starship Troopers? > > Fred Moir > Lynn MA > Diesel preferred. > > > > > > From: clay > >To: Mercedes Discussion List > >Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 6:43 PM > >Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the > people > > > > > >I too feel that those who serve are being sold down the river. > > > >I postulate that we would have far better governance if you were only > able to gain citizenship by performing duty for your country. Be it a four > or six year term, you carry arms and shed blood if needed, then earn your > stripes. Only those who have honorably served would be eligible to run for > any office. To be able to hold any civic position, you would have had to > been willing to give your life. So, cops, fire fighters, dog catchers, are > all tested and true citizens. > > > >As part of your gaining citizen status, you would be entitled to access > to support and outreach, such that you never needed to hold a cardboard > sign begging for money on a street corner. Once a Marine, Always a Marine, > and we would never leave a man behind. The time most kids waste after high > school is a great time to allow them to serve, as they are immature and of > little economic value today. Having given six years, they would be near > 25, much more suited for higher education and responsible for their own > futures. > > > >This would also allow those who decide not to serve, to not game the > system. No need to pay them to remain alive, as the semi-citizen would > have the vote, but could not access the reins of power, nor feel entitled > to some benefit that was not earned > > > >clay > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
Alles. Where I used to work we re-flowed solder with hot peanut oil. Crispy critters anyone? Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. > > From: Mountain Man >To: Mercedes Discussion List >Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 9:58 PM >Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth > > >OK Don wrote: >> Peanut? > >Much too nice of an oil, and probably too highly subsidized by Dept of >Ag. Which oil is the least subsidized? >mao > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 99% of the non citizens
Well I guess we'll have to see and wait what will happen in Germany in the future, they have just abolished conscription/national service. I am not a fan of forcibly taking years away from a person because some others can't get their stuff together, this is called a collective punishment. I would think the vast majority of young ones do the right thing and me thinks no amount of time in the army is going to set the real bad ones right. However I think giving young criminals a choice of serving in the forces or jail, might be a good thing, as they already have some of their life taken away. Hendrik who did not serve On 28/01/14 13:54, clay wrote: Henny, no need for war. Just the opportunity to march around in fancy pants and shoot metal cut outs of unfriendly forces. Swiss are keen on getting everybody to be ready to kill on need. Very conservative bunch, but they make spaces for folks to shoot heroin and hookers to make a bit of cash in a safe environment. clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
Starship Troopers? Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. > > From: clay >To: Mercedes Discussion List >Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 6:43 PM >Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people > > >I too feel that those who serve are being sold down the river. > >I postulate that we would have far better governance if you were only able to >gain citizenship by performing duty for your country. Be it a four or six >year term, you carry arms and shed blood if needed, then earn your stripes. >Only those who have honorably served would be eligible to run for any office. >To be able to hold any civic position, you would have had to been willing to >give your life. So, cops, fire fighters, dog catchers, are all tested and >true citizens. > >As part of your gaining citizen status, you would be entitled to access to >support and outreach, such that you never needed to hold a cardboard sign >begging for money on a street corner. Once a Marine, Always a Marine, and we >would never leave a man behind. The time most kids waste after high school is >a great time to allow them to serve, as they are immature and of little >economic value today. Having given six years, they would be near 25, much >more suited for higher education and responsible for their own futures. > >This would also allow those who decide not to serve, to not game the system. >No need to pay them to remain alive, as the semi-citizen would have the vote, >but could not access the reins of power, nor feel entitled to some benefit >that was not earned > >clay > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 tacky people own half the worlds wealth
The word we are looking for is tacky. Hendrik who can be tacky On 28/01/14 13:50, Craig wrote: On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 17:59:46 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond wrote: Imagine a clear beach ball with Santa (or whomever) inside, lit up with "snow" blowing around. They have a fan which keeps them inflated and moving the "snow" all the time... Oh, THOSE things! Horrible things Indeed! Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 99% of the non citizens
But, DAN, that would obviate the need for ACA! We have to have old people who demand heroic measures and procedures that would bankrupt a small town so we can develop more and better, bigger hospitals. If the old and infirm are not around, why should the youth purchase ACA policies? Local pediatric hospital had a most embarrassing situation. They had incomplete sanitation and sterilization of equipment which put over 100 younglings at threat for chronic, debilitating disease. Hepatitis, AIDS, a multitude of infectious pathogens, because the colonoscopes had poop on them. Over four years! And I am trying to grasp why a pipsqueak kid needs cameras up the shoot. That is old folks problem clay On Jan 27, 2014, at 6:56 PM, Mountain Man wrote: > H&F wrote: >> Hmmnh, sounds familiar. >> Obviously you'll need wars for all these heroes to shed blood in, perhaps >> set them on the non citizens? >> Perhaps for now we'll just put this proposal in the maybe pile. >> > > That was what I was thinking also. More war? Where? Why? Do any of > these blood shedding warriors return home or do they all die? - who > wants some warrior-spirit guy in the office teaching kids? A good > percentage are maimed for life from what I am hearing. > > I'll add another line in the suggested chapter since we don't like war > and bloodshed. > How about no health care for people older than 65. The challenge is > to live to age 65 in such a way that you have no health issues. Lose > the boomers, more jobs for the unemployed youth that have education > debt, etc. Yeah, 65 is old enough, I'll be there in a few years. The > time has been good and we eat well, no health issues. > mao > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
Can't do that, somebody might be allergic. Avocado oil is probably safe clay On Jan 27, 2014, at 6:35 PM, OK Don wrote: > Peanut? > > > On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 8:17 PM, Rich Thomas < > richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote: > >> What kind of oil should we boil them in? >> >> > > -- > OK Don > "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin 1775 > "in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes." > - Benjamin Franklin 1789 > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 99% of the non citizens
Henny, no need for war. Just the opportunity to march around in fancy pants and shoot metal cut outs of unfriendly forces. Swiss are keen on getting everybody to be ready to kill on need. Very conservative bunch, but they make spaces for folks to shoot heroin and hookers to make a bit of cash in a safe environment. clay On Jan 27, 2014, at 6:23 PM, Hendrik and Fay wrote: > Hmmnh, sounds familiar. > Obviously you'll need wars for all these heroes to shed blood in, perhaps set > them on the non citizens? > Perhaps for now we'll just put this proposal in the maybe pile. > > Hendrik > who is slowly backing away, so as not to alarm anyone > > On 28/01/14 10:13, clay wrote: >> I too feel that those who serve are being sold down the river. >> >> I postulate that we would have far better governance if you were only able >> to gain citizenship by performing duty for your country. Be it a four or >> six year term, you carry arms and shed blood if needed, then earn your >> stripes. Only those who have honorably served would be eligible to run for >> any office. To be able to hold any civic position, you would have had to >> been willing to give your life. So, cops, fire fighters, dog catchers, are >> all tested and true citizens. >> >> As part of your gaining citizen status, you would be entitled to access to >> support and outreach, such that you never needed to hold a cardboard sign >> begging for money on a street corner. Once a Marine, Always a Marine, and >> we would never leave a man behind. The time most kids waste after high >> school is a great time to allow them to serve, as they are immature and of >> little economic value today. Having given six years, they would be near 25, >> much more suited for higher education and responsible for their own futures. >> >> This would also allow those who decide not to serve, to not game the system. >> No need to pay them to remain alive, as the semi-citizen would have the >> vote, but could not access the reins of power, nor feel entitled to some >> benefit that was not earned >> >> clay > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 17:59:46 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond wrote: > Imagine a clear beach ball with Santa (or whomever) inside, lit up with > "snow" blowing around. They have a fan which keeps them inflated and > moving the "snow" all the time... Oh, THOSE things! > Horrible things Indeed! Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 steering wheel (some cat content)
I live in southern RI h& work in Boston. What base was that in Lincoln? I live near the old Quonset seabee base. On Jan 27, 2014 9:35 PM, "WILTON" wrote: > Where in NE? I lived in Lincoln Oct '57 - Mar '60. Maintenance crew > chief on B-47E's; 'worked my ass off for nearly nothing. > > Wilton > > - Original Message - From: "Dwight Giles" > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 9:29 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 steering wheel (some cat content) > > > Ah Yes the steering wheel ; that's what started it. I moved to NE 12 years >> ago & like it here. I have lived in south, mid atlantic, southern Ohio & >> Ny but I plan to stay in NE. >> On Jan 27, 2014 9:23 PM, "Mountain Man" wrote: >> >> Dwight wrote: >>> > Come on down. co-op is halfway between our house &Charleston. Maybe > >>> You >>> > can pull head& turbo & we can turn 240D into turbo like john's. >>> > >>> >>> I need to live in NE. I have always thought that NE seemed a quaint >>> practical place to live. Probably not much different than IL, but... >>> your PartsQ sounds like a fun adventure. Don't forget the steering >>> wheel for Rick. >>> mao >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 steering wheel (some cat content)
WILTON wrote: > Where in NE? ...ooops, my bad. I wrote NE meaning New England and forgot about NewBarsKa - what was the name there in Lincoln/Omaha that was a mash of Nebraska someow? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
OK Don wrote: > Peanut? Much too nice of an oil, and probably too highly subsidized by Dept of Ag. Which oil is the least subsidized? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 99% of the non citizens
H&F wrote: > Hmmnh, sounds familiar. > Obviously you'll need wars for all these heroes to shed blood in, perhaps > set them on the non citizens? > Perhaps for now we'll just put this proposal in the maybe pile. > That was what I was thinking also. More war? Where? Why? Do any of these blood shedding warriors return home or do they all die? - who wants some warrior-spirit guy in the office teaching kids? A good percentage are maimed for life from what I am hearing. I'll add another line in the suggested chapter since we don't like war and bloodshed. How about no health care for people older than 65. The challenge is to live to age 65 in such a way that you have no health issues. Lose the boomers, more jobs for the unemployed youth that have education debt, etc. Yeah, 65 is old enough, I'll be there in a few years. The time has been good and we eat well, no health issues. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
Having seen some true master wood smiths in action, I grieve his loss of employment. Yet another example of "trickle up poverty" induced by social engineering and political greed. Seems there have been several million deaths in wars through history over just such ignorance in leadership. Sad... truly sad On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 2:33 PM, clay wrote: > +1 > > BiL was employed at a local mega yacht builder until the tax the rich > thing hit. Hiring stopped at the company and work transitioned to > retrofits until there was just a skeleton crew left. His degree in the > shipwrights program came in handy enough that he was able to find > employment in a cabinet shop for a few years. Then the massive deflation > in the housing market took out the need for quality cabinetry. He has been > struggling for work, going from shop to shop for the past four years. > > clay > > > On Jan 27, 2014, at 8:35 AM, Larry T wrote: > > > Good point Rich - > > Back in the 90s the liberals managed to pass a "Tax the rich' bill - > following that, many boatyards closed and laid off workers - may extreme > craftsmen who had to find other work. Often that talent is lost forever. > The rich buy new boats - like G-650s - and all the people in the income > stream benefit from them buying stuff. I bought a used Catalina 27 back > in the late 90s and the only one who benefited was the salesman... it's > just not the same, but the rich must buy the new stuff so the used stuff > will be around. > > > > It's the same will all kinds of new things we take for granted. Remember > when 40" TVs came out and sold for $3000-$5000? Only the rich would buy > them but by doing so they drove the price down to the point us normal > people can afford them. > > > > Trickle Down really works but the liberals try to criticize it because > it doesn't fit their agenda. > > > > Sincerely, > > Larry > > > > On 1/26/2014 9:45 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: > >> I had dinner with my cousin last night. Her husband works for > Gulfstream in Savannah. They build G-650s there, which start at $65mil. > If one were to order one today it would take at least 3 years to get it. > He says there are people who pull out their checkbook to try to buy out > someone further up the queue. These are likely rich folks or corporations. > >> > >> So Gulfstream have 5 or 6 factories around the country, all working > flat out to build various aircraft. That $65mil and whatever the others > cost employs thousands of people, supports various other industries, keeps > the economies of their home communities going, and must add at least that > value to their buyers in some ways. Oh, and to run one costs a fair amount > of the purchase price each year, requires many pilots, hangars, fuel, > maintenance etc etc which also keeps the economy going. And apparently did > quite well even over the past few years. > >> > >> So, seems to me like rich folks and corporations have positive effects > as well, whatever vilification the various politicos want to heap on them. > Hell, I'd like to buy a G-650 and trod down all y'all. > >> > >> --R (sent from my miniPad) > >> > >> On Jan 26, 2014, at 6:27 PM, "Scott Ritchey" > wrote: > >> > >> > >> Here's a thought: Has the billionaire's wealth impoverished us (normal > >> folks) in any way? It's a mixed bag. Certainly the banking clowns that > >> walked away with the real estate bubble money plus the bailout money > made us > >> all poorer. But other billionaires like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates, Sam > >> Walton, and MANY others have made most of us richer, or at least > enriched > >> our lives. It doesn't have to be a zero-sum game. The invisible hand > does > >> as good a job sorting this out as much as the government (picking > winners > >> and losers) does a bad job. Besides, look at how these very rich use > their > >> wealth. Certainly some are frivolous but there are also the Carnegies, > >> Dukes, etc. who feel a high calling to use their enormous wealth for the > >> common good. > >> > >> Sure, there are a few very rich people in the world, but why is that a > >> problem? > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To s
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
clay wrote: > Most of the white shirts are so far removed from having held a decent job, > they feel entitled and above the rabble. > Yep. The guy across the street is closing and sold to another guy down the street. My son works across the street and interviewed with the new owner - auto repair. The guy knows nothing about repair but runs a shop - go figure. He has the same attitude - his poop don't stink. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 steering wheel (some cat content)
We get together fairly often although its been a while. I saw Dwight and Fred each just before Christmas (although not at the same time). Haven't seen Dimitri since Sept. or Jon since a year ago Sept. but its a good little group. Rick needs to talk to Dwight's buddy Roy. -Curt Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 20:23:53 -0600 From: Mountain Man To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 steering wheel (some cat content) Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dwight wrote: > Come on down. co-op is halfway between our house &Charleston. Maybe You > can pull head& turbo & we can turn 240D into turbo like john's. > I need to live in NE. I have always thought that NE seemed a quaint practical place to live. Probably not much different than IL, but... your PartsQ sounds like a fun adventure. Don't forget the steering wheel for Rick. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
Peanut? On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 8:17 PM, Rich Thomas < richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote: > What kind of oil should we boil them in? > > -- OK Don "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin 1775 "in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes." - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 steering wheel (some cat content)
Where in NE? I lived in Lincoln Oct '57 - Mar '60. Maintenance crew chief on B-47E's; 'worked my ass off for nearly nothing. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Dwight Giles" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 steering wheel (some cat content) Ah Yes the steering wheel ; that's what started it. I moved to NE 12 years ago & like it here. I have lived in south, mid atlantic, southern Ohio & Ny but I plan to stay in NE. On Jan 27, 2014 9:23 PM, "Mountain Man" wrote: Dwight wrote: > Come on down. co-op is halfway between our house &Charleston. Maybe > You > can pull head& turbo & we can turn 240D into turbo like john's. > I need to live in NE. I have always thought that NE seemed a quaint practical place to live. Probably not much different than IL, but... your PartsQ sounds like a fun adventure. Don't forget the steering wheel for Rick. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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What kind of oil should we boil them in? --R (sent from my miniPad) > On Jan 26, 2014, at 10:18 PM, OK Don wrote: > > This thread is coming close to rivaling an oil thread . . . ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 steering wheel (some cat content)
Ah Yes the steering wheel ; that's what started it. I moved to NE 12 years ago & like it here. I have lived in south, mid atlantic, southern Ohio & Ny but I plan to stay in NE. On Jan 27, 2014 9:23 PM, "Mountain Man" wrote: > Dwight wrote: > > Come on down. co-op is halfway between our house &Charleston. Maybe You > > can pull head& turbo & we can turn 240D into turbo like john's. > > > > I need to live in NE. I have always thought that NE seemed a quaint > practical place to live. Probably not much different than IL, but... > your PartsQ sounds like a fun adventure. Don't forget the steering > wheel for Rick. > mao > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
H&F wrote: > There are a lot more factors that go into it but the basis is that if the > wealth is more spread out, then there is more chance of those who can do > something, will do something to give others a leg up, instead of a hand out. > > Hendrik > who sponsors a child in Vietnam Good stuff - I like!! mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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H&F wrote: > For instance are we seeing the Waltons building factories in the US to > produce goods to sell at wallymart? Be careful what we wish for. NYT had an article recently telling about China building textile factories in SC since china wages are out of line with their plans. MinWage? - try $3.43/hour? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 99% of the non citizens
Hmmnh, sounds familiar. Obviously you'll need wars for all these heroes to shed blood in, perhaps set them on the non citizens? Perhaps for now we'll just put this proposal in the maybe pile. Hendrik who is slowly backing away, so as not to alarm anyone On 28/01/14 10:13, clay wrote: I too feel that those who serve are being sold down the river. I postulate that we would have far better governance if you were only able to gain citizenship by performing duty for your country. Be it a four or six year term, you carry arms and shed blood if needed, then earn your stripes. Only those who have honorably served would be eligible to run for any office. To be able to hold any civic position, you would have had to been willing to give your life. So, cops, fire fighters, dog catchers, are all tested and true citizens. As part of your gaining citizen status, you would be entitled to access to support and outreach, such that you never needed to hold a cardboard sign begging for money on a street corner. Once a Marine, Always a Marine, and we would never leave a man behind. The time most kids waste after high school is a great time to allow them to serve, as they are immature and of little economic value today. Having given six years, they would be near 25, much more suited for higher education and responsible for their own futures. This would also allow those who decide not to serve, to not game the system. No need to pay them to remain alive, as the semi-citizen would have the vote, but could not access the reins of power, nor feel entitled to some benefit that was not earned clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 steering wheel (some cat content)
Dwight wrote: > Come on down. co-op is halfway between our house &Charleston. Maybe You > can pull head& turbo & we can turn 240D into turbo like john's. > I need to live in NE. I have always thought that NE seemed a quaint practical place to live. Probably not much different than IL, but... your PartsQ sounds like a fun adventure. Don't forget the steering wheel for Rick. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
No it's the Sunday after-church crowd. 20 people, separate checks, count to the penny, stiff the waitron. --R (sent from my miniPad) On Jan 27, 2014, at 6:29 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: My waitstaff friends tell me Doctors and Lawyers and other folks with money tend to be the worst tippers. I've never worked for tips so I really don't know. -Curt Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 17:39:16 -0500 From: Rich Thomas To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people Message-ID: <52e6e014.90...@constructivity.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed So a funny anecdote about rich idiots. Last year Bill corralled a bunch of his rich buds and had them down here at Kiawah for a coupla days to talk about this philanthropy giveawayyourmoney thing. We have a little airport here, it was wall-to-wall with jets. This old black guy who lives up the road runs a halfass limo company, has a coupla cars. He got tapped to give these guys rides to and from the airport, somehow. So he picks up Warren Buffet to take him to the airport, maybe a 20min drive. They get there, WB thanks him, and instead of flipping him a 20 for the ride as a tip, he gives him a boomerang. A f'n boomerang. I guess he got it at the conference or something and had no use for it so he gave it to the driver as a "tip." The old guy was cussing WB something fierce and telling that story all over the island, what a cheapass he was. Trickle down boomerangs! --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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clay wrote: > Artists would have local audiences, and might make a living wage, instead of > plunking out fake tunes on a computer. > Another thread hi-jack. Chicago band Dave Flippo world-jazz quintet was at the library yesterday. Awesome tight group. I know nothing about jazz, but this was an awesome performance in very small venue. These guys are renown, but in our local library sunday afternoon - totally inefficient and wonderful and - did I say enough? http://www.flippomusic.com/ mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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clay wrote: > AS for cars, it is all bowing down to our computer overlords. If you have > wind up windows, no radio, and bare minimum, you are not able to be tracked > or controlled. > Me!! I drive as little as possible - use bike in warmer weather. But the W123 euro 3-pedal car is just fine here. All manual everything. That is why I like the car. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
Imagine a clear beach ball with Santa (or whomever) inside, lit up with "snow" blowing around. They have a fan which keeps them inflated and moving the "snow" all the time... Horrible things -Curt Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 18:08:35 -0700 From: Craig To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth Message-ID: <20140127180835.bef6dd90f0a59f70ba25b...@pisquared.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 16:48:33 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond wrote: > Dad tells a story of a couple at Wal-Mart looking at one of those big > inflatable snow globes like it was pure gold. I must confess being ignorant and uninformed: What is an inflatable snow globe? > Then trying to figure out how they were going to pay for it, going so > far as to debate which bills they could skip or put off... Oh my. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Larry wrote: > The republicans are not falling for it at this time - but we don't know what > they're doing behind the scenes. I will hi-jack your comments to state politics - IL. It turns out that the one republican out of 4 in the primary that interests me, come to find out, is probably a D in R clothes. He touts he is not career politician which sounds good, but gives millions in investments to D mayor of the city - yes, ChiTown - mayor was former chief of staff for the prez. Go figure. Dem in Rep clothes, or career politician. How is there a choice today in politics? Why vote? There is zero choice - it is all crooks. Vote is complete fraud. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
Yeah but if the fella learned to use the bommerang, he could go out and hunt animals with it and not have to buy meat. WB could at least have signed the bommerang I suppose? Hendrik who does not know how to use a bommerrang On 28/01/14 09:09, Rich Thomas wrote: So a funny anecdote about rich idiots. Last year Bill corralled a bunch of his rich buds and had them down here at Kiawah for a coupla days to talk about this philanthropy giveawayyourmoney thing. We have a little airport here, it was wall-to-wall with jets. This old black guy who lives up the road runs a halfass limo company, has a coupla cars. He got tapped to give these guys rides to and from the airport, somehow. So he picks up Warren Buffet to take him to the airport, maybe a 20min drive. They get there, WB thanks him, and instead of flipping him a 20 for the ride as a tip, he gives him a boomerang. A f'n boomerang. I guess he got it at the conference or something and had no use for it so he gave it to the driver as a "tip." The old guy was cussing WB something fierce and telling that story all over the island, what a cheapass he was. Trickle down boomerangs! --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hazet Valve Wrenches Was: Re: 85 people
NY here. Mike On Jan 27, 2014 8:43 PM, "Mountain Man" wrote: > Mike wrote: > > If you would care to start a list I need to rent a set to do my 83 when > the > > weather gets warm. > > Let's do it. > Are you in CA? - will metal wrenches make it over the border? > Rick can mail to you, you mail them on to next person on list, or back to > me. > So, we got one useful thing happening - what's next? > ...lessee... I need... no, I gotta get rid of stuff. > mao > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hazet Valve Wrenches Was: Re: 85 people
Mike wrote: > If you would care to start a list I need to rent a set to do my 83 when the > weather gets warm. Let's do it. Are you in CA? - will metal wrenches make it over the border? Rick can mail to you, you mail them on to next person on list, or back to me. So, we got one useful thing happening - what's next? ...lessee... I need... no, I gotta get rid of stuff. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hazet Valve Wrenches Was: Re: 85 people
Rick wrote: > Good. Can I borrow them in the next couple weeks (if it ever warms up)? > > I'll buy you a couple dogs at G&J's. :) That's quite expensive. G&J's dogs, - I can do that. Yes, wait until a tad warmer and less snow. Haven't seen the turf in about 2 months - just like I remember winter when I was a kid. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
I have. I fully agree with giving those who will sacrifice all, the opportunity to live a full life. On Jan 27, 2014, at 4:50 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: > You've read "Starship Troopers" of course. > > -Curt > > Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 15:43:15 -0800 > From: clay > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the > people > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I too feel that those who serve are being sold down the river. > > I postulate that we would have far better governance if you were only able to > gain citizenship by performing duty for your country. Be it a four or six > year term, you carry arms and shed blood if needed, then earn your stripes. > Only those who have honorably served would be eligible to run for any office. > To be able to hold any civic position, you would have had to been willing to > give your life. So, cops, fire fighters, dog catchers, are all tested and > true citizens. > > As part of your gaining citizen status, you would be entitled to access to > support and outreach, such that you never needed to hold a cardboard sign > begging for money on a street corner. Once a Marine, Always a Marine, and we > would never leave a man behind. The time most kids waste after high school > is a great time to allow them to serve, as they are immature and of little > economic value today. Having given six years, they would be near 25, much > more suited for higher education and responsible for their own futures. > > This would also allow those who decide not to serve, to not game the system. > No need to pay them to remain alive, as the semi-citizen would have the vote, > but could not access the reins of power, nor feel entitled to some benefit > that was not earned > > clay > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 steering wheel (some cat content)
Come on down. co-op is halfway between our house &Charleston. Maybe You can pull head& turbo & we can turn 240D into turbo like john's. On Jan 27, 2014 6:27 PM, "Curt Raymond" wrote: > PartsQ? I'm flying to the land of fruit and nuts on Sunday but could make > a quick run south on Saturday. Angie would like me to make a food run to > the Co-Op. > > -Curt > > Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 14:01:01 -0800 (PST) > From: Frederick Moir > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 steering wheel (some cat content) > Message-ID: > <1390860061.29123.yahoomail...@web141004.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Saturday 1 Feb? > We could raid (peruse) his car for bits on Sat 1 Feb. I have tools and my > stash. > What think 'ee? > > Fred Moir? > Lynn MA > Diesel preferred. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 16:48:33 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond wrote: > Dad tells a story of a couple at Wal-Mart looking at one of those big > inflatable snow globes like it was pure gold. I must confess being ignorant and uninformed: What is an inflatable snow globe? > Then trying to figure out how they were going to pay for it, going so > far as to debate which bills they could skip or put off... Oh my. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
You've read "Starship Troopers" of course. -Curt Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 15:43:15 -0800 From: clay To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I too feel that those who serve are being sold down the river. I postulate that we would have far better governance if you were only able to gain citizenship by performing duty for your country. Be it a four or six year term, you carry arms and shed blood if needed, then earn your stripes. Only those who have honorably served would be eligible to run for any office. To be able to hold any civic position, you would have had to been willing to give your life. So, cops, fire fighters, dog catchers, are all tested and true citizens. As part of your gaining citizen status, you would be entitled to access to support and outreach, such that you never needed to hold a cardboard sign begging for money on a street corner. Once a Marine, Always a Marine, and we would never leave a man behind. The time most kids waste after high school is a great time to allow them to serve, as they are immature and of little economic value today. Having given six years, they would be near 25, much more suited for higher education and responsible for their own futures. This would also allow those who decide not to serve, to not game the system. No need to pay them to remain alive, as the semi-citizen would have the vote, but could not access the reins of power, nor feel entitled to some benefit that was not earned clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
Dad tells a story of a couple at Wal-Mart looking at one of those big inflatable snow globes like it was pure gold. Then trying to figure out how they were going to pay for it, going so far as to debate which bills they could skip or put off... -Curt Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 17:29:15 -0600 From: Mountain Man To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Curt wrote: > None of that ever seems to come through though. Naysayers and proponents never arrive at an agreeable place, so... we have never seen this happen. I like your idea - large cultural shift away from junk purchases. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hazet Valve Wrenches Was: Re: 85 people
If you would care to start a list I need to rent a set to do my 83 when the weather gets warm. Be glad to pay postage and the cost of a couple brews to go with those dogs. Mike On Jan 27, 2014 7:20 PM, "Rick Knoble" wrote: > On Jan 27, 2014, at 5:23 PM, "Mountain Man" wrote: > > > I > > remember 12 years ago I routinely borrowed Hazet valve adjust wrenches > > from a guy on Long Island. He would ship to me, I would ship them > > back. So I paid the post office for passage. That worked until I > > found some Hazet wrenches from a dealer closeout in CA. That kind of > > giving rather than receiving. > > > Good. Can I borrow them in the next couple weeks (if it ever warms up)? > > I'll buy you a couple dogs at G&J's. :) > > Rick > Sent from my iPhone > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
On Jan 27, 2014, at 11:36 AM, "M. Mitchell Marmel" wrote: > On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Larry T wrote: > > >> but the rich must buy the new stuff so the used stuff will be around. >> > > Case in point: How often do any of US buy a NEW Mercedes? ;-) I am considering one made in this century. Does that count as "new"? :-) Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Hazet Valve Wrenches Was: Re: 85 people
On Jan 27, 2014, at 5:23 PM, "Mountain Man" wrote: > I > remember 12 years ago I routinely borrowed Hazet valve adjust wrenches > from a guy on Long Island. He would ship to me, I would ship them > back. So I paid the post office for passage. That worked until I > found some Hazet wrenches from a dealer closeout in CA. That kind of > giving rather than receiving. Good. Can I borrow them in the next couple weeks (if it ever warms up)? I'll buy you a couple dogs at G&J's. :) Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
That's pretty reactionary. You haven't even mentioned Mother Jones and the Daily Worker. [:o) Gerry On 1/27/2014 1:52 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: Some of it, but I believe *everything* in Huffington Post and Daily Kos. You know, where they present all the facts and data and stats and that kind of stuff to support their opining. --R On 1/27/14 1:22 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: You beleive everything you read in the WSJ? On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Rich Thomas < richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote: There was an interesting analysis in the WSJ the other day about the minimum wage, and that it really has very little effect on much of anything other than political bloviation, and generally limiting jobs for people who make minimum wage. Of course, that can't be right because it doesn't fel right! --R On 1/27/14 12:32 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: You misunderstand me, I'm suggesting we pay the slaves a higher wage which will make prices increase, then people learn to do with less junk. This requires a huge cultural shift though. I find it interesting that every time the topic of raising the minimum wage comes up the nay-sayers always tout the rise as the end of the world. Companies will go out of business, your kids will never get a summer job etc. None of that ever seems to come through though. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and politicians
Cousin attended the U.S. War College after WW-2. The theory then was that Hitlers decisions to bomb Britain into submission instead of invading it probably lost the war for Germany when it had barely begun. Had Hitler occupied Britain, which would have been little more trouble than occupying Europe (which was done in a matter of days), dictator Franco of Spain would have joined him and "Nazi Europe" would have been in no danger of invasion. The U.S. would have signed an armistice with Germany, and Hitler would have been free to turn the full force of his military on Russia which would probably have been defeated. Germany and Japan together would have defeated Mao Tse Tung and China would have become a protectorate of Japan. Germany and Japan would have dominated the eastern hemisphere and the U.S. would have continued to dominate the western hemisphere. What would have happened after that was anyones guess, according to the generals. Gerry P.S. I'd like to be a little mouse and hear what the War College generals are predicting now. On 1/26/2014 9:46 AM, Larry T wrote: One of the many programs the military channel focused on Hitlers commands during WW2. They said there were a number of attempts to assassinate him but the Allies decided his directions of the military would help the Allies win more than removing him from the picture. They may be right as he made some dumb commands that probably cost them way to many lives. Often when his Army got in trouble and needed to retreat and regroup Hitler's standard command was to never retreat. Several of his armies might have survived to fight another day if he had allowed them to retreat. He was also indecisive and changed his mind often. Possibly, if one of his Generals/Admirals had taken over they may have made better tactical decisions. The guy running the U-Boat program (Carnais - misspelled?) was put in charge at the end and he was infinitely better at running military operations than Hitler. Hitler managed some spectacular victories early in the war but the wins were more about their opponents lack of preparation for a modern mechanical war & surprise than brilliant tactics. The Polish army was a match for the Germans but they tried to fight tanks while on horses. Also, the French had a larger army and more tanks but their tactics was lacking, often using their tanks in too small numbers. But I'm not so sure the masses of Germans would follow someone like they did Hitler... Sincerely, Larry On 1/25/2014 10:01 PM, Hendrik and Fay wrote: Well for one thing the US might not have made shiploads of cash from WW2. Or worse still, someone with some real brains and talent, instead of a self deluded nutjob might have risen to power in Germany and won the war. Hitlers insanity is arguably the key reason that Germany lost the war. Hendrik who is mildly suffering from nutjobosis On 23/01/14 21:37, Mitch Haley wrote: arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Some are of great value to the citizens in their realm such as was the plutocracy that controlled Venice, the richest city in Europe during the Middle Ages. It's citizens prospered due to the decisions of the wealthy families of Venice. And then, the fatal error. They decided Hitler's artwork wasn't worth buying. Imagine how different the world would be if that nutbag had been an impoverished artist instead of a starving artist. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
Sent from my iPhone On Jan 27, 2014, at 10:55 AM, "G Mann" wrote: > One of my favorite quotes is of Mark Twain: "The most dangerous place in > America is Congress in session" or was it Will Rogers? Will Rogers. Whose home town was the same as our wonderful list mom, without whom these great discourses wouldn't happen. Claremore, OK. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
My take on that, is that the people who have not held that type of position, have no understanding. Most of the people who I worked restaurant jobs with are not tight with a tip. A server does have to earn it, but the hard worker is rewarded. Most of the white shirts are so far removed from having held a decent job, they feel entitled and above the rabble. Most of the douche white shirts who I know do not tip, got a degree on loans, did not work until they had a higher degree, and spend cash on frivolities. They also are liberal, with other peoples cash. clay On Jan 27, 2014, at 3:29 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: > My waitstaff friends tell me Doctors and Lawyers and other folks with money > tend to be the worst tippers. > I've never worked for tips so I really don't know. > > -Curt > > Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 17:39:16 -0500 > From: Rich Thomas > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the > people > Message-ID: <52e6e014.90...@constructivity.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > So a funny anecdote about rich idiots. Last year Bill corralled a bunch > of his rich buds and had them down here at Kiawah for a coupla days to > talk about this philanthropy giveawayyourmoney thing. We have a little > airport here, it was wall-to-wall with jets. This old black guy who > lives up the road runs a halfass limo company, has a coupla cars. He > got tapped to give these guys rides to and from the airport, somehow. > > So he picks up Warren Buffet to take him to the airport, maybe a 20min > drive. They get there, WB thanks him, and instead of flipping him a 20 > for the ride as a tip, he gives him a boomerang. A f'n boomerang. I > guess he got it at the conference or something and had no use for it so > he gave it to the driver as a "tip." The old guy was cussing WB > something fierce and telling that story all over the island, what a > cheapass he was. > > Trickle down boomerangs! > > --R > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
I too feel that those who serve are being sold down the river. I postulate that we would have far better governance if you were only able to gain citizenship by performing duty for your country. Be it a four or six year term, you carry arms and shed blood if needed, then earn your stripes. Only those who have honorably served would be eligible to run for any office. To be able to hold any civic position, you would have had to been willing to give your life. So, cops, fire fighters, dog catchers, are all tested and true citizens. As part of your gaining citizen status, you would be entitled to access to support and outreach, such that you never needed to hold a cardboard sign begging for money on a street corner. Once a Marine, Always a Marine, and we would never leave a man behind. The time most kids waste after high school is a great time to allow them to serve, as they are immature and of little economic value today. Having given six years, they would be near 25, much more suited for higher education and responsible for their own futures. This would also allow those who decide not to serve, to not game the system. No need to pay them to remain alive, as the semi-citizen would have the vote, but could not access the reins of power, nor feel entitled to some benefit that was not earned clay On Jan 27, 2014, at 3:12 PM, Larry T wrote: > Getting the message through to the people that economics is not a "zero sum" > game is a huge difficulty. Just because some guy has billions doesn't mean I > or anyone else have less. This kind of thinking is lost on many people in the > USA who work, catch a snipit of news & vote based on very little info - other > than feelings. Add in the media's lack of ethics and professionalism while > they push their own agenda and we have millions without a clue of what is > happening. They're the so-called "Sheeple". But obamas wild > spending/giving _is_ certainly making us, our chldren and our grandchildren, > etc. poorer.while the debt is said to be $17 Trillion that doesn't > include all the debt. Add in social security and other social programs and > the number triples or more. even with the USA's massive GDP, it will take a > long time to repay that debt - but that will only haoppen with reducing > spending - something the government is unwilling to do most of the time. > Plus, the way the govt creates their budgets is designed to be inaccurate -- they take last years budget and add to it. I'd like to see "clean sheet" budgets where they start with nothing and justify every penny with a line item that is detailed so it can be audited. > > But that would mean a change in the way the govt operates which we are > unlikely to see... > > As far as the real estate "crisis" - it was created by Barney Frank, Chris > Dodd and other democrats as they forced lenders to make more and more money > available with less and less due diligence. At one point the lenders were > not allowed to confirm income and loaned as much as 125% of the homes cost so > the buyers not only had nothing invested, they walked away with cash. Some > of these people had no way to pay for the homes and it eventually caught up > with them. The Builders didn't mind - they kept selling homes. The lenders > had no choice but they were making money for a while so they complained > little. eventually the amount of money loaned for buying homes so far > exceeded the value, the house of cards came crashing down. Yeah, I'm sure > there were bankers who made lots of money but the big offenders were > congressmen who forced lenders to do dumb things. > >Speaking of congressmen - someone can serve one term and walk away with > $15,000/month retirement. That is outrageous IMO - our servicemen & women > put their lives on the line and end up with $0 unless they serve 20 years!! > Plus, they are promised various benefits when being courted to sign up but > when they are ready for retirement they find congress has eliminated many of > the things promised. Being in the military is a thankless job. Little pay, > way too much required to be bought out of pocket and the possibility of being > maimed or killed for an ungrateful government. > > Sincerely, > Larry > > On 1/26/2014 6:27 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote: >> Here's a thought: Has the billionaire's wealth impoverished us (normal >> folks) in any way? It's a mixed bag. Certainly the banking clowns that >> walked away with the real estate bubble money plus the bailout money made us >> all poorer. But other billionaires like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates, Sam >> Walton, and MANY others have made most of us richer, or at least enriched >> our lives. It doesn't have to be a zero-sum game. The invisible hand does >> as good a job sorting this out as much as the government (picking winners >> and losers) does a bad job. Besides, look at how these very rich use their >> wealth. Cer
Re: [MBZ] OT: Video Camera
Ahh right, GL2, I think I said GL1, I meant GL2 though. I like that one nearly as good as the VX-2000, slight nod to the Sony for ergonomics, maybe a tip of the hat to Canon for better glass. If I remember correctly the GL2 won awards for its lens... -Curt Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 16:54:26 -0600 From: Fmiser To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Video Camera Message-ID: <20140127165426.4e6ce...@jasper.condray.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Greg wrote: > > << If you can score a few outdated pro cameras...>> > > Examples please? Canon GL2 is one of my favorite SD, mini-DV (tape) camcorders. I personally think the XL1 and XL2, though higher priced and longer featured have little value unless interchangeable lenses is important. The Canon XH-AS1 is positioned at a similar market as the GL2, but HD. I haven't liked any of the little JVC camcorders. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Video Camera
And remember thats the low end prosumer camera. If money was know problem I'd have one of these: http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/micro-xdcam/cat-broadcastcameras/product-PMW160/ Huge chips, microphone mount, XDCAM solid state recording which works directly in Media Composer, super duper. -Curt Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 16:54:06 -0600 From: OK Don To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Video Camera Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Apparently the current version of the Sony FX-1 is the "Sony HDRFX1000 High Definition MiniDV Handycam Camcorder" which is "only" $3,200 at Amazon now. Perhaps a bit more than I am going to spend . . . On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: > I've tried this game before, pro gear will be beat. Somebody who spends > $3,000 on a camera works it to death. Back when I first got out of school I > tried buying a couple but they didn't last good. > > > For HD the Canon is the XL-h1, Sony would be FX-1 or another one which > model number escapes me now. > -Curt > -- OK Don "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin 1775 "in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes." - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
My waitstaff friends tell me Doctors and Lawyers and other folks with money tend to be the worst tippers. I've never worked for tips so I really don't know. -Curt Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 17:39:16 -0500 From: Rich Thomas To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people Message-ID: <52e6e014.90...@constructivity.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed So a funny anecdote about rich idiots. Last year Bill corralled a bunch of his rich buds and had them down here at Kiawah for a coupla days to talk about this philanthropy giveawayyourmoney thing. We have a little airport here, it was wall-to-wall with jets. This old black guy who lives up the road runs a halfass limo company, has a coupla cars. He got tapped to give these guys rides to and from the airport, somehow. So he picks up Warren Buffet to take him to the airport, maybe a 20min drive. They get there, WB thanks him, and instead of flipping him a 20 for the ride as a tip, he gives him a boomerang. A f'n boomerang. I guess he got it at the conference or something and had no use for it so he gave it to the driver as a "tip." The old guy was cussing WB something fierce and telling that story all over the island, what a cheapass he was. Trickle down boomerangs! --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
But then we live in a very different world, Dan. Responsibility for ones actions would have to return. Accepting fewer circus acts and free bread. Then again, we would have no need for all the toys and distractions. We would have healthy and hearty meals, no need to pay for gym memberships, no time for mass entertainment. Artists would have local audiences, and might make a living wage, instead of plunking out fake tunes on a computer. I was driving to the body shop this morning in the S430, and it dawned on me, radio blasting, that I was going 25mph and what would it have been like a century ago to be on the same street. Horse powered, no radio, maybe all of 10mph at a trot. I would have to sing to myself. Might trust the horse to plod along while reading a book. Unless it were raining. I would need to be bundled up instead of allowing the heat and seat warmer to coddle me. And what of the other traffic? Maybe a garbage cart, no school buses, or distracted mothers in SUV toting kidlets to school. Ice carts, milk cart, tinker, firewood hauler, a carriage or two. Street packed with employed people doing jobs. Fresh food, since it would be hard to put up enough that you could avoid going to the market every few days. It would take a few hours to make a meal for the family instead of tossing some mystery ration into the nuker. clay On Jan 27, 2014, at 3:11 PM, Mountain Man wrote: > clay wrote: >> If we should slow down how productive industry is, we might be able to find >> more productive employment opportunities. >> > > Ahh... > For the days of low productivity and many persons doing what one > person and machines do today. > Totally agree. Decreased productivity means more jobs. Forget about > minimum wage - if we open our hearts and give rather than believe the > lie that *taking is admirable* we might recover the country that made > us great. Think about the low productivity in building 10 airplanes > each day during the war 70 years ago. Nobody complained about wage - > they/we did our job and were happy to put a hand to the task. Today > we would be hard pressed to put a hand to a war machine like in 1940+ > but I would guess if we were inventive we might find efforts for more > of us to work rather than administer, and give rather take. Real work > was accomplished when productivity was much less. Nice catch Clay!! > mao > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Video Camera
The DVX100 is the only one there worth having. The microphone and Lumix are low end consumer stuff. -Curt Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 14:38:47 -0800 From: clay To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Video Camera Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Really depends upon phase of the moon and whose girl friend got peeved and tossed all his stuff out of her apartment, what shows up. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Panasonic-Lumix-DMC-LX2-10-2MP-Digital-Camera-w-Batteries-Charger-/400650601070?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d48a3026e http://www.ebay.com/itm/AMBICO-Video-V-0312-Telephoto-1-5x-Converter-w-49-58-Stepping-Ring-and-Case-/400650856564?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d48a6e874 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-Digital-SLR-Camera-Body-M-DSLR-A100-/310852693696?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item486043aec0 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Panasonic-DVX100-Digital-Video-Camera-Recorder-Lecia-Lens-/400653313239?pt=Camcorders_Professional_Video_Cameras&hash=item5d48cc64d7 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Realistic-Stereo-Microphone-w-Stand-12A6-/400653509441?pt=US_Pro_Audio_Microphones&hash=item5d48cf6341 clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
Curt wrote: > None of that ever seems to come through though. Naysayers and proponents never arrive at an agreeable place, so... we have never seen this happen. I like your idea - large cultural shift away from junk purchases. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 steering wheel (some cat content)
PartsQ? I'm flying to the land of fruit and nuts on Sunday but could make a quick run south on Saturday. Angie would like me to make a food run to the Co-Op. -Curt Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 14:01:01 -0800 (PST) From: Frederick Moir To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 steering wheel (some cat content) Message-ID: <1390860061.29123.yahoomail...@web141004.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Saturday 1 Feb? We could raid (peruse) his car for bits on Sat 1 Feb. I have tools and my stash. What think 'ee? Fred Moir? Lynn MA Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and politicians
Andrew wrote: > very. i was responding to "Diesel head' Gotcha - thanks for the clarify. I will watch for that next time, Mr. Confuser... mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
Craig wrote: > The Bible doesn't condemn wealth. Eh... Wealth we always have. There are always people that have wealth. The issue I intended to highlight is the dynamic that we each know as reality. I don't hang around worthless gramma because I know when she kaks that I will inherit wealth. I hang around gramma because I know she loves having me visit and chat with here like she has nobody else to sit and chat with her. etc. i.e. there is a real dynamic that is more probably understood *not* as religion in terms of bible, but rather as an issue of man to man - It is more blessed to give than to receive. Yes, that is in the Bible, but... we know it from practical life in numerous ways. It is more psychology than religion, especially on okiebenz which has zero purports of religion in its existence. It is nice that we allow some religion to sneak in from time to time but the issue is less religion as part of dialog at okiebenz and more practical life, which, btw, has source statement in the bible. More giving rather than dynamic wealth creation/accumulation might do the country/world some real good. Shall we try? ...lessee... I have 2-bits. Who needs 2-bits? I remember 12 years ago I routinely borrowed Hazet valve adjust wrenches from a guy on Long Island. He would ship to me, I would ship them back. So I paid the post office for passage. That worked until I found some Hazet wrenches from a dealer closeout in CA. That kind of giving rather than receiving. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
one more thing about giving and receiving and using other peoples money -- it has been said a republican sees an injustice - he pulls out his wallet, organizes a fund raiser or opens his home to less fortunate while a democrat will see an injustice and work tirelessly to get a law passed so everyone 'gives". Sincerely, Larry On 1/26/2014 9:05 PM, G Mann wrote: All good efforts in finding quotations from Bible, my thanks and respect for those who went the extra mile. Regards the quote above of "Tis more blessed to give than receive" . It is indeed, when that giving is done with good intent and given freely from product of your own labors. The rub comes when that "giving" is done by others, with the treasure or goods taken from others by force, deception, or theft... and when that "giving' is done for the express purpose of gaining power over the less fortunate, or electing yourself to office, or some other material gain which you benefit from the original theft. In my Theology classes.. that would have a "compound sin"... But, it would buy you an "E ticket" ride to hell.. ;)) [or prison] Grant... On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 6:52 PM, Mountain Man wrote: Craig wrote: Another appropriate text is Ephesians 4:28: Let the thief no longer steal, but rather let him labor, doing honest work with his own hands, so that he may have something to share with anyone in need. More follow up: "I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive." Neither of these leaves room for greed or amassing of wealth, perhaps? And perhaps this is what is critical against the accumulation of wealth - giving rather than receiving. Perhaps we should rather give as we receive so that we do not amass a fortune that needs to be dispersed. i.e. WarrenB gives more than he receives and starts a revolution rather than establishing socialism. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
Very well Said!! Sincerely, Larry On 1/26/2014 9:05 PM, G Mann wrote: All good efforts in finding quotations from Bible, my thanks and respect for those who went the extra mile. Regards the quote above of "Tis more blessed to give than receive" . It is indeed, when that giving is done with good intent and given freely from product of your own labors. The rub comes when that "giving" is done by others, with the treasure or goods taken from others by force, deception, or theft... and when that "giving' is done for the express purpose of gaining power over the less fortunate, or electing yourself to office, or some other material gain which you benefit from the original theft. In my Theology classes.. that would have a "compound sin"... But, it would buy you an "E ticket" ride to hell.. ;)) [or prison] Grant... On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 6:52 PM, Mountain Man wrote: Craig wrote: Another appropriate text is Ephesians 4:28: Let the thief no longer steal, but rather let him labor, doing honest work with his own hands, so that he may have something to share with anyone in need. More follow up: "I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive." Neither of these leaves room for greed or amassing of wealth, perhaps? And perhaps this is what is critical against the accumulation of wealth - giving rather than receiving. Perhaps we should rather give as we receive so that we do not amass a fortune that needs to be dispersed. i.e. WarrenB gives more than he receives and starts a revolution rather than establishing socialism. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
Well, that works for me - I certainly will never amass even a small fortune. Taking care of our bi-polar son has taken care of that! :-) Sincerely, Larry On 1/26/2014 8:52 PM, Mountain Man wrote: so that we do not amass a fortune ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
Getting the message through to the people that economics is not a "zero sum" game is a huge difficulty. Just because some guy has billions doesn't mean I or anyone else have less. This kind of thinking is lost on many people in the USA who work, catch a snipit of news & vote based on very little info - other than feelings. Add in the media's lack of ethics and professionalism while they push their own agenda and we have millions without a clue of what is happening. They're the so-called "Sheeple". But obamas wild spending/giving _is_ certainly making us, our chldren and our grandchildren, etc. poorer.while the debt is said to be $17 Trillion that doesn't include all the debt. Add in social security and other social programs and the number triples or more. even with the USA's massive GDP, it will take a long time to repay that debt - but that will only haoppen with reducing spending - something the government is unwilling to do most of the time.Plus, the way the govt creates their budgets is designed to be inaccurate -- they take last years budget and add to it. I'd like to see "clean sheet" budgets where they start with nothing and justify every penny with a line item that is detailed so it can be audited. But that would mean a change in the way the govt operates which we are unlikely to see... As far as the real estate "crisis" - it was created by Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and other democrats as they forced lenders to make more and more money available with less and less due diligence. At one point the lenders were not allowed to confirm income and loaned as much as 125% of the homes cost so the buyers not only had nothing invested, they walked away with cash. Some of these people had no way to pay for the homes and it eventually caught up with them. The Builders didn't mind - they kept selling homes. The lenders had no choice but they were making money for a while so they complained little. eventually the amount of money loaned for buying homes so far exceeded the value, the house of cards came crashing down. Yeah, I'm sure there were bankers who made lots of money but the big offenders were congressmen who forced lenders to do dumb things. Speaking of congressmen - someone can serve one term and walk away with $15,000/month retirement. That is outrageous IMO - our servicemen & women put their lives on the line and end up with $0 unless they serve 20 years!! Plus, they are promised various benefits when being courted to sign up but when they are ready for retirement they find congress has eliminated many of the things promised. Being in the military is a thankless job. Little pay, way too much required to be bought out of pocket and the possibility of being maimed or killed for an ungrateful government. Sincerely, Larry On 1/26/2014 6:27 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote: Here's a thought: Has the billionaire's wealth impoverished us (normal folks) in any way? It's a mixed bag. Certainly the banking clowns that walked away with the real estate bubble money plus the bailout money made us all poorer. But other billionaires like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates, Sam Walton, and MANY others have made most of us richer, or at least enriched our lives. It doesn't have to be a zero-sum game. The invisible hand does as good a job sorting this out as much as the government (picking winners and losers) does a bad job. Besides, look at how these very rich use their wealth. Certainly some are frivolous but there are also the Carnegies, Dukes, etc. who feel a high calling to use their enormous wealth for the common good. Sure, there are a few very rich people in the world, but why is that a problem? -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mountain Man Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 10:37 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people H & F wrote: I personally don't think concentration of wealth to that degree is. ... Perhaps one of the differences is that we see the person that is a trillionaire whereas years ago we never knew who was the trillionaire in the neighborhood. Wealth is more conspicuous today, that's all. We need to quit bitchn' and count our blessings. We are wealthy. Not trillionaire wealthy, but wealthy... mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
clay wrote: > If we should slow down how productive industry is, we might be able to find > more productive employment opportunities. > Ahh... For the days of low productivity and many persons doing what one person and machines do today. Totally agree. Decreased productivity means more jobs. Forget about minimum wage - if we open our hearts and give rather than believe the lie that *taking is admirable* we might recover the country that made us great. Think about the low productivity in building 10 airplanes each day during the war 70 years ago. Nobody complained about wage - they/we did our job and were happy to put a hand to the task. Today we would be hard pressed to put a hand to a war machine like in 1940+ but I would guess if we were inventive we might find efforts for more of us to work rather than administer, and give rather take. Real work was accomplished when productivity was much less. Nice catch Clay!! mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
Gates is over-the-hill. He's made his pile and is just playing with it The one to watch is Elon Musk. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk Gerry On 1/27/14 5:06 PM, clay wrote: BG has an agenda he is promoting. Bill is not in it for altruistic purposes. If you look at what his foundation supports, there is a rather dystopian pogrom in place. Bill has a penchant to put his cash into getting more money coming his way. support education that sells more M$ licenses and hardware. Healthcare issues that will enrich his research into malaria drugs and other biotech. He has crowd sourced his R&D into what next will enrich him. clay On Jan 27, 2014, at 10:14 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: Most of the idiots with lots of money "horde it" by investing it in companies (stocks and bonds and such) and buy stuff, but there is a limit to how much stuff you can buy so the rest has to go somewhere that will (they hope) help them make more money (just like your 401K plan!). The investments keep things going and raise the tide, mostly. Interesting you mention Bill Gates. He has put a lot of his fortune into his philanthropic foundation (and I think plans for all of it to go there when he dies). He also promotes other rich folks doing something similar, either to his foundation or to their own to do "good" things. The interesting aspect of that to me is that a lot of people (including many of the rich fools) rant about raising taxes on the rich, but then instead of giving their fortunes to the gummint to work wonders decide they can do better than the gummint. And those who think their taxes should be higher think it is great they are putting their money into foundations and bypassing the gummint. Something of a disconnect, no? --R On 1/27/14 12:47 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: I don't think trickle down works the way the Reagan economists espouse. I do believe that a rising tide lifts all boats but what good does that money do when some idiot just hordes it? After all you get to a point eventually where you can't spend it all and where some fool is just getting rich for the sake of getting rich. Bill Gates is doing great work, there are others as well but many more just aren't. They'll pass off a big fortune to an idiot kid who will blow it... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
Andrew wrote: > Especially this Congress, which manages to be both ideologically extreme > and totally incapable of passing any useful legislattion. Andrew's job is... Speech writer for the Executive branch in DC - correct? What type of dangerous legislation would you expect these days from Congress? It seems that their incapacity might be a good thing, based on Grant's quote from Will Rogers - "The most dangerous place in America is Congress in session" Really - what type of legislation do we need? I posit we need legislation to remove legislation, i.e. remove 5 laws for every new law contemplated. That would be a real challenge. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Video Camera
To quote an old news photographer (still and moving), "Motion should be captured by the camera, not created by it!" On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: > > I also agree that fast pans are bad new. I found when I got home from > Hawaii and sorted out the video that I was in too much of a hurry when > panning the camera. That and going to or from telephoto shots too quickly. > Slow and smooth is much easier to watch. I think when we are there and > filming ( bad word now I suppose) we tend to gloss over things that are > obvious. So, stand on the balcony of your room (lanai?) at the Royal Kona > Resort and take some video of the shoreline from the hotel around to the > point and maybe continue on to some of the boats at anchor and there is a > tendancy to rush because you have been looking at it for days and it has > become familiar. Get back home and look at it some time later when it has > faded from memory somewhat, or try to show it to someone else, and you > start wondering, "why was I in such a hurry?" > > I really need to use the thing more as you really do learn by doing with > them if you are paying any attention at all. > > Randy > >> >> I really hate the jiggly cam shots on videos. Way too much glare, >> flaring, juddering, fast pans and poor audio. GoPro is best suited to >> bouncing boobs, slow motion sports shots and artsy stuff >> >> clay >> >>> >>> -- OK Don "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin 1775 "in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes." - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
Yeah, Va has a system that is better than the Feds - in Va the legislature is in session for a few weeks each year. They sometimes call special sessions but they're rare. But the Fed is in session all the time except for the many vacations and days off. I believe it was Mark Twain... Sincerely, Larry On 1/27/2014 11:55 AM, G Mann wrote: One of my favorite quotes is of Mark Twain: "The most dangerous place in America is Congress in session" or was it Will Rogers? Who ever said it, nailed the problem dead on... On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Larry T wrote: re: "Very little free..." Agree completely. I should have mentioned all the freedoms we lose every time congress or local govt passes a law.I also think the so-called Unintended Consequences are well planned consequences... Sincerely, Larry On 1/27/2014 12:22 AM, Craig wrote: On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 19:40:54 -0600 Mountain Man wrote: Larry wrote: I'll never be convinced that Socialism is better than Freedom (which we are losing every day). I agree, but... We must realize we have zero lab experience with anything other than what we know as free markets. Au contraire, mes ami. There is a lot of practical experience with socialism and its variants. Things work just fine until you run out of other people's money (and people who want to be controlled). There is very little free in what we see today. I can't argue that. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Video Camera
> Greg wrote: > > << If you can score a few outdated pro cameras...>> > > Examples please? Canon GL2 is one of my favorite SD, mini-DV (tape) camcorders. I personally think the XL1 and XL2, though higher priced and longer featured have little value unless interchangeable lenses is important. The Canon XH-AS1 is positioned at a similar market as the GL2, but HD. I haven't liked any of the little JVC camcorders. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
Grant wrote: > The rub comes when that "giving" is done by > others, with the treasure or goods taken from others by force, deception, > or theft... and when that "giving' is done for the express purpose of > gaining power... You are totally correct in saying this. Ponder giving/receiving a bit more - it seems that there is a big psychology aspect that is robbed from the plebe-citizen as gov't demands giving via taxes rather than the rush of being appreciated for whatever meager amount you give to a person that needs something that you can provide. Much of the giving effort is not related to money which is all that taxing can accomplish. The phone pleas for funds to support sick persons in hospitals is another similar robbery, whereas if I go to hospital and seek a person despondent in their health condition, I might provide something that an agency and its thief administrators cannot provide with their cellophane gift basket, etc. There is a bunch to be said about giving/receiving. Even JFK referred to giving/receiving in - ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country. That provides a true plebe-citizen when we give rather than demand more giving from the gov't. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Video Camera
Apparently the current version of the Sony FX-1 is the "Sony HDRFX1000 High Definition MiniDV Handycam Camcorder" which is "only" $3,200 at Amazon now. Perhaps a bit more than I am going to spend . . . On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: > I've tried this game before, pro gear will be beat. Somebody who spends > $3,000 on a camera works it to death. Back when I first got out of school I > tried buying a couple but they didn't last good. > > > For HD the Canon is the XL-h1, Sony would be FX-1 or another one which > model number escapes me now. > -Curt > -- OK Don "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin 1775 "in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes." - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
I was hoping that the craft movement would serve as the example of where we need to be headed. I am very well aware of the inflated expectations the populace has and the willingness to accept the lowest common denominator if the price is right. If you make garbage though, you will have no pride in the work you do or the products you own. AS for cars, it is all bowing down to our computer overlords. If you have wind up windows, no radio, and bare minimum, you are not able to be tracked or controlled. You have a modicum of freedom from those who spy upon us and the computers will have to hunt you down physically clay On Jan 27, 2014, at 12:23 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: > On 27/01/2014 2:04 PM, clay wrote: >> That is part of the issue we face. You deserve to bust your butt to remain >> alive. If you are not willing to put forth the effort, the genetic pool >> should be rid of your toxins. There are enough exemplars of viable DNA in >> the world, we can spare a few million non workers. > People need to learn to live within their means. It used to be that a post > man lived on whatever a post man earned and accepted that a doctor would earn > more and live better. A post man drove a Chevy and the doctor drove a Buick > etc. Now, we have all be convinced by the advertising constantly imposed upon > us that we can all drive Lexus. We all want and expect to have bigger and > better things than our parents had. Cars don't come with window cranks > anymore. They all have power windows etc. My father used to buy basic pickup > trucks - usually a 6 cylinder, standard transmission and no power steering or > radio. Try and buy one like that today. Those trucks served him well. He > never expected to have leather seats and chrome wheels. He couldn't have > cared less. Today, we have all been brainwashed to believe we can have all of > that and more. > > There is no doubt that some folks are more able, talented, intelligent etc. I > think there was a time when we expected those folks to rise to the top and we > were just happy not to be at the bottom. We were proud to be reasonably good > at our jobs, to pay our bills and raise a good family. None of that seems > important to people now. They just want the latest fad thing they saw > advertised. It is nice that we have a great selection of items to spend our > money on but most of it is not truly needed. > > >> The populace is now looking for slow food, locavore, whole foods, gluten >> free, free range, up cycled, hemp cloth, heirloom, craft brew, small scale. >> Even the industrial food producers are on that band wagon. >> >> clay >> > I am not so sure about that statement. I think there are some elitist types > out there who are looking for that sort of thing but the mass of people is > not. If they were, then all of the fast food places would be out of business > in no time. You can hardly give away things that our parents and grand > parents cherished. Most of the younger folks today have little or no interest > in the fine things collected by their grand parents. They have been trained > to think that stuff is disposable. You cannot get much of anything repaired > anymore. Things like televisions and cell phones are just replaced if > something goes bad and often even before that because there is a new model > with more gimics. You cannot sell used stuff llke that either. It has no > value to most people. You can hardly give things away. > > Randy > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Video Camera
Really depends upon phase of the moon and whose girl friend got peeved and tossed all his stuff out of her apartment, what shows up. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Panasonic-Lumix-DMC-LX2-10-2MP-Digital-Camera-w-Batteries-Charger-/400650601070?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d48a3026e http://www.ebay.com/itm/AMBICO-Video-V-0312-Telephoto-1-5x-Converter-w-49-58-Stepping-Ring-and-Case-/400650856564?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d48a6e874 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-Digital-SLR-Camera-Body-M-DSLR-A100-/310852693696?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item486043aec0 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Panasonic-DVX100-Digital-Video-Camera-Recorder-Lecia-Lens-/400653313239?pt=Camcorders_Professional_Video_Cameras&hash=item5d48cc64d7 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Realistic-Stereo-Microphone-w-Stand-12A6-/400653509441?pt=US_Pro_Audio_Microphones&hash=item5d48cf6341 clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jan 27, 2014, at 12:13 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote: > << If you can score a few outdated pro cameras...>> > > Examples please? > > Greg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
So a funny anecdote about rich idiots. Last year Bill corralled a bunch of his rich buds and had them down here at Kiawah for a coupla days to talk about this philanthropy giveawayyourmoney thing. We have a little airport here, it was wall-to-wall with jets. This old black guy who lives up the road runs a halfass limo company, has a coupla cars. He got tapped to give these guys rides to and from the airport, somehow. So he picks up Warren Buffet to take him to the airport, maybe a 20min drive. They get there, WB thanks him, and instead of flipping him a 20 for the ride as a tip, he gives him a boomerang. A f'n boomerang. I guess he got it at the conference or something and had no use for it so he gave it to the driver as a "tip." The old guy was cussing WB something fierce and telling that story all over the island, what a cheapass he was. Trickle down boomerangs! --R On 1/27/14 5:06 PM, clay wrote: BG has an agenda he is promoting. Bill is not in it for altruistic purposes. If you look at what his foundation supports, there is a rather dystopian pogrom in place. Bill has a penchant to put his cash into getting more money coming his way. support education that sells more M$ licenses and hardware. Healthcare issues that will enrich his research into malaria drugs and other biotech. He has crowd sourced his R&D into what next will enrich him. clay On Jan 27, 2014, at 10:14 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: Most of the idiots with lots of money "horde it" by investing it in companies (stocks and bonds and such) and buy stuff, but there is a limit to how much stuff you can buy so the rest has to go somewhere that will (they hope) help them make more money (just like your 401K plan!). The investments keep things going and raise the tide, mostly. Interesting you mention Bill Gates. He has put a lot of his fortune into his philanthropic foundation (and I think plans for all of it to go there when he dies). He also promotes other rich folks doing something similar, either to his foundation or to their own to do "good" things. The interesting aspect of that to me is that a lot of people (including many of the rich fools) rant about raising taxes on the rich, but then instead of giving their fortunes to the gummint to work wonders decide they can do better than the gummint. And those who think their taxes should be higher think it is great they are putting their money into foundations and bypassing the gummint. Something of a disconnect, no? --R On 1/27/14 12:47 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: I don't think trickle down works the way the Reagan economists espouse. I do believe that a rising tide lifts all boats but what good does that money do when some idiot just hordes it? After all you get to a point eventually where you can't spend it all and where some fool is just getting rich for the sake of getting rich. Bill Gates is doing great work, there are others as well but many more just aren't. They'll pass off a big fortune to an idiot kid who will blow it... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 steering wheel (some cat content)
Dwight. et al. Waiting for reply, stay tooned. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. > > From: Dwight Giles >To: Mercedes Discussion List >Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 5:09 PM >Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 steering wheel (some cat content) > > >Ok I can do that. I have tools too. Weather looks middling. > >On Jan 27, 2014 5:01 PM, "Frederick Moir" wrote: > >> Saturday 1 Feb? >> We could raid (peruse) his car for bits on Sat 1 Feb. I have tools and my >> stash. >> What think 'ee? >> >> Fred Moir >> Lynn MA >> Diesel preferred. >> >> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 steering wheel (some cat content)
Ok I can do that. I have tools too. Weather looks middling. On Jan 27, 2014 5:01 PM, "Frederick Moir" wrote: > Saturday 1 Feb? > We could raid (peruse) his car for bits on Sat 1 Feb. I have tools and my > stash. > What think 'ee? > > Fred Moir > Lynn MA > Diesel preferred. > > > > > > From: Dwight Giles > >To: Mercedes Discussion List > >Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 4:54 PM > >Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 steering wheel (some cat content) > > > > > >Fred > >Well I am in maine now but could go over on Saturday. This looks like a > >sedan? He mentioned trunk lid? Let me know after you talk to him. I could > >use a sunroof cable if it's a sedan. > > > >On Jan 27, 2014 4:50 PM, "Frederick Moir" wrote: > > > >> Dwight. > >> I need more mechanical stuff. The trim is safe from me. > >> If it DIY it's gonna be cold! > >> > >> Fred Moir > >> Lynn MA > >> Diesel preferred. > >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Riding in the Car of the Future, Built in an Illinois Barn
Reviews say yes to all factors. Lion batteries less than lead acid but its still a drag. If I had an EV I'd put a small propane heater in it for winter. I've lived without AC for 10 years, its not really a requirement here. I've considered building an EV, there are kits to use a Rabbit but I think I'd want to use either a Sirocco or mk2 Jetta, I like the Sirocco, more space than a rabbit and a slipperier shape. Angie's commute would be well suited with an EV, she only goes 10 miles each way. -Curt Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 13:49:48 -0700 From: Craig To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Riding in the Car of the Future, Built in an Illinois Barn Message-ID: <20140127134948.61284c81fd94aff51e34e...@pisquared.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 11:45:47 -0700 Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > I wonder how the EVs perform in winter and summer when heat and AC are > required. How severely does that sap their driving range? Good question! Also, lead-acid batteries loose capacity when it's cold. Do the batteries used in electric vehicles (lithium ion?) also loose capacity when they are cold? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
BG has an agenda he is promoting. Bill is not in it for altruistic purposes. If you look at what his foundation supports, there is a rather dystopian pogrom in place. Bill has a penchant to put his cash into getting more money coming his way. support education that sells more M$ licenses and hardware. Healthcare issues that will enrich his research into malaria drugs and other biotech. He has crowd sourced his R&D into what next will enrich him. clay On Jan 27, 2014, at 10:14 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: > Most of the idiots with lots of money "horde it" by investing it in companies > (stocks and bonds and such) and buy stuff, but there is a limit to how much > stuff you can buy so the rest has to go somewhere that will (they hope) help > them make more money (just like your 401K plan!). The investments keep > things going and raise the tide, mostly. > > Interesting you mention Bill Gates. He has put a lot of his fortune into his > philanthropic foundation (and I think plans for all of it to go there when he > dies). He also promotes other rich folks doing something similar, either to > his foundation or to their own to do "good" things. The interesting aspect > of that to me is that a lot of people (including many of the rich fools) rant > about raising taxes on the rich, but then instead of giving their fortunes to > the gummint to work wonders decide they can do better than the gummint. And > those who think their taxes should be higher think it is great they are > putting their money into foundations and bypassing the gummint. Something of > a disconnect, no? > > --R > > > > On 1/27/14 12:47 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: >> I don't think trickle down works the way the Reagan economists espouse. I do >> believe that a rising tide lifts all boats but what good does that money do >> when some idiot just hordes it? After all you get to a point eventually >> where you can't spend it all and where some fool is just getting rich for >> the sake of getting rich. >> >> Bill Gates is doing great work, there are others as well but many more just >> aren't. They'll pass off a big fortune to an idiot kid who will blow it... > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Video Camera
I've tried this game before, pro gear will be beat. Somebody who spends $3,000 on a camera works it to death. Back when I first got out of school I tried buying a couple but they didn't last good. If you're okay with SD look for a Sony VX-1000 or VX-2000 or Canon XL-1 or XL-2 or (I think) GL-1. My preference is the Sony, I've used both and the Sony is handier. For HD the Canon is the XL-h1, Sony would be FX-1 or another one which model number escapes me now. I've got a JVC thats a good camera too but the Sony is way better. I've got a little Sony to, HC3 maybe? I've used it for all my lantern videos, its very handy and has surprisingly good glass. I think I paid $800 new for the little Sony, and $3000 for the VX-2000. I got the VX-2000 10 years ago, its earned its living but hasn't worked all that hard. If you could find one like mine it'd be a good deal but I wouldn't let mine go for less than a grand which is to say I don't particularly want to sell it... -Curt Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 12:13:02 -0800 From: "Greg Fiorentino" To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Video Camera Message-ID: <007901cf1b9c$2f67e5a0$8e37b0e0$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" << If you can score a few outdated pro cameras...>> Examples please? Greg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 steering wheel (some cat content)
Saturday 1 Feb? We could raid (peruse) his car for bits on Sat 1 Feb. I have tools and my stash. What think 'ee? Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. > > From: Dwight Giles >To: Mercedes Discussion List >Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 4:54 PM >Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 steering wheel (some cat content) > > >Fred >Well I am in maine now but could go over on Saturday. This looks like a >sedan? He mentioned trunk lid? Let me know after you talk to him. I could >use a sunroof cable if it's a sedan. > >On Jan 27, 2014 4:50 PM, "Frederick Moir" wrote: > >> Dwight. >> I need more mechanical stuff. The trim is safe from me. >> If it DIY it's gonna be cold! >> >> Fred Moir >> Lynn MA >> Diesel preferred. >> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Riding in the Car of the Future, Built in an Illinois Barn
On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 16:12:39 -0500 Rich Thomas wrote: > If you tighten them up they will be fine in all weather conditions Thanks. I missed the typo. Craig > On 1/27/14 3:49 PM, Craig wrote: > > On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 11:45:47 -0700 Andrew Strasfogel > > wrote: > > > >> I wonder how the EVs perform in winter and summer when heat and AC > >> are required. How severely does that sap their driving range? > > Good question! > > > > Also, lead-acid batteries loose capacity when it's cold. Do the > > batteries used in electric vehicles (lithium ion?) also loose > > capacity when they are cold? > > > > > > Craig > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Craig -- Present:'95 E320Sebastian 126 kmi '94 E420Oskar 127 kmi (awaiting parting out) '82 240D/3.0Bluebell 267 kmi (diesel leak fixed, I think, now need to tackle leaking oil pressure gauge) '89 Chevrolet G20 Beauville Van (affectionately dubbed the BRV, Big Red Van) Past: '86 190E/2.3 '72 220/8 '64 190Dc Emma '72 220D/8 Herman 186 kmi ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Riding in the Car of the Future, Built in an Illinois Barn
On Jan 27, 2014 3:50 PM, "Craig" wrote: > > On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 11:45:47 -0700 Andrew Strasfogel > wrote: > > > I wonder how the EVs perform in winter and summer when heat and AC are > > required. How severely does that sap their driving range? I can't speak for the new ones, but the homebrew community would often rig up 1500W heating elements. (The very cold would also set the car to preheat off the charger, so you're only maintaining temperature on the road. I don't remember exactly how they were running, probably 96 V DC off the battery pack. Anyway around 1500W of resistive heat.) That said, there's a lot of heat coming off the batteries and motor, and it can be easily directed into the cabin - but it's not like sitting behind a roaring fire like most of us are accustomed. A Leaf is 28 kWh for 80 miles, Tesla is 60 kWh for 200. If you are running 1.5 kW for an hour of heat then you are losing a little more than a half mile in the Leaf, less in the Tesla (of course you will need more heat in the Tesla, unless you are driving south :). I've been next to a 1.5 kW heater, and I can certainly imagine you might want more than that depending on the insulation of the vehicle, and where Curt was driving. It is a tradeoff you could display easily on a console. Air conditioning is actually easier, you can run the compressor off the back of the motor in homebrew. When the wheels are turning you are just bleeding extra energy, just like a 240D. What's the impact, 7ish percent MPG? > Also, lead-acid batteries loose capacity when it's cold. Do the batteries > used in electric vehicles (lithium ion?) also loose capacity when they > are cold? Yes, though mainly you are worried about starting current - the batteries heat themselves up once the motor starts draining. Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 steering wheel (some cat content)
Fred Well I am in maine now but could go over on Saturday. This looks like a sedan? He mentioned trunk lid? Let me know after you talk to him. I could use a sunroof cable if it's a sedan. On Jan 27, 2014 4:50 PM, "Frederick Moir" wrote: > Dwight. > I need more mechanical stuff. The trim is safe from me. > If it DIY it's gonna be cold! > > Fred Moir > Lynn MA > Diesel preferred. > > > > > > From: Dwight Giles > >To: Mercedes Discussion List > >Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 4:39 PM > >Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 steering wheel (some cat content) > > > > > >It's about 10 miles from me. I just emailed seller about some wood trim > >bits for my CD. > >On Jan 27, 2014 4:33 PM, "Frederick Moir" wrote: > > > >> Rick, Andrew. > >> Dunno. > >> I'm going to call for some bits and I'll find out. > >> > >> Fred Moir > >> Lynn MA > >> Diesel preferred. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
Not sure how the maths for that work. WA state is saying they have gotten unemployment to 6.7%. Oddly we are at only 31% of the jobs lost since the recession of 2008. There are still 1.3 million jobs missing. If the count included those who no longer actively look for work, the state has over 10% unemployment. No figures for FTE jobs, but mention was made that the increases had been in low paying, part time positions, not that many jobs offering benefits or a future. Local top earners (the 5%) are raking in $495K.Median home price is now up to $435k in the county for a house. We purchase more Tesla's per capita, more than Kalifornia. We also have a really well underfunded homeless population, to the point we have official homeless towns. clay On Jan 27, 2014, at 9:32 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: > You misunderstand me, I'm suggesting we pay the slaves a higher wage which > will make prices increase, then people learn to do with less junk. This > requires a huge cultural shift though. > > I find it interesting that every time the topic of raising the minimum wage > comes up the nay-sayers always tout the rise as the end of the world. > Companies will go out of business, your kids will never get a summer job etc. > None of that ever seems to come through though. > > -Curt > > Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 17:55:15 -0500 > From: Andrew Strasfogel > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > So you are happy to fund welfare benefits for people who have a full time > job, rather than require these corporations to pay a living wage? > > > On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: > >> Let prices rise, let people not have so much stuff. Our society is >> completely focused on buying low priced crap and using consumerism to fill >> the void left by lack of interpersonal communication. People would rather >> shop than build anything, be that things or connections with other people... >> >> -Curt >> Buying as little as possible, fixing things as often as practical and >> sometimes even beyond. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 steering wheel (some cat content)
Dwight. I need more mechanical stuff. The trim is safe from me. If it DIY it's gonna be cold! Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. > > From: Dwight Giles >To: Mercedes Discussion List >Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 4:39 PM >Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 steering wheel (some cat content) > > >It's about 10 miles from me. I just emailed seller about some wood trim >bits for my CD. >On Jan 27, 2014 4:33 PM, "Frederick Moir" wrote: > >> Rick, Andrew. >> Dunno. >> I'm going to call for some bits and I'll find out. >> >> Fred Moir >> Lynn MA >> Diesel preferred. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 steering wheel (some cat content)
It's about 10 miles from me. I just emailed seller about some wood trim bits for my CD. On Jan 27, 2014 4:33 PM, "Frederick Moir" wrote: > Rick, Andrew. > Dunno. > I'm going to call for some bits and I'll find out. > > Fred Moir > Lynn MA > Diesel preferred. > > > > > > From: Andrew Strasfogel > >To: Mercedes Discussion List > >Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 4:16 PM > >Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 steering wheel (some cat content) > > > > > >do those prices reflect diy? > >On Monday, January 27, 2014, Frederick Moir > wrote: > > > >> http://providence.craigslist.org/pts/4277591522.html > >> > >> > >> Fred Moir > >> Lynn MA > >> Diesel preferred. > >> > >> > >> > > >> > From: Rick Hawkins Java > > >> >To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > > > >> >Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 2:40 PM > >> >Subject: [MBZ] 123 steering wheel (some cat content) > >> > > >> > > >> >Folks > >> > > >> >i'm still looking for a steering wheel for my 1982 300td > >> > > >> >i can get one on ebay > >> > > >> >mine has a place torn on the foam that is getting worse quickly > >> > > >> >Does anyone have a nice one you don't need? > >> > > >> >now for the cats ... we have some beautiful spayed and neutered feral > >> >cats the county had a program to spay and neuter them a few years > >> >ago and we have an official colony (they came with the building). > >> > > >> >Often they sit around on some of the mercedes cars. > >> > > >> >thanks, > >> > > >> >xx rick > >> >Rick Hawkins > >> > > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >___ > >http://www.okiebenz.com > > > >To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
that's because the democrats see "negotiation" as doing things their way. The republicans are not falling for it at this time - but we don't know what they're doing behind the scenes. In the past, the Republicans have taken the democrat suggestions and modified it a little and pushed that. What morons. They are the opposition party - they need to oppose things that take us closer to socialism. The only thing that can be said for the republicans is not one of them voted for obamacare... It all belongs to the dems. Too bad no one bothered to read the bill... Sincerely, Larry On 1/27/2014 12:08 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Especially this Congress, which manages to be both ideologically extreme and totally incapable of passing any useful legislattion. On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 9:55 AM, G Mann wrote: One of my favorite quotes is of Mark Twain: "The most dangerous place in America is Congress in session" or was it Will Rogers? Who ever said it, nailed the problem dead on... On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Larry T wrote: re: "Very little free..." Agree completely. I should have mentioned all the freedoms we lose every time congress or local govt passes a law.I also think the so-called Unintended Consequences are well planned consequences... Sincerely, Larry On 1/27/2014 12:22 AM, Craig wrote: On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 19:40:54 -0600 Mountain Man wrote: Larry wrote: I'll never be convinced that Socialism is better than Freedom (which we are losing every day). I agree, but... We must realize we have zero lab experience with anything other than what we know as free markets. Au contraire, mes ami. There is a lot of practical experience with socialism and its variants. Things work just fine until you run out of other people's money (and people who want to be controlled). There is very little free in what we see today. I can't argue that. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
+1 BiL was employed at a local mega yacht builder until the tax the rich thing hit. Hiring stopped at the company and work transitioned to retrofits until there was just a skeleton crew left. His degree in the shipwrights program came in handy enough that he was able to find employment in a cabinet shop for a few years. Then the massive deflation in the housing market took out the need for quality cabinetry. He has been struggling for work, going from shop to shop for the past four years. clay On Jan 27, 2014, at 8:35 AM, Larry T wrote: > Good point Rich - > Back in the 90s the liberals managed to pass a "Tax the rich' bill - > following that, many boatyards closed and laid off workers - may extreme > craftsmen who had to find other work. Often that talent is lost forever. > The rich buy new boats - like G-650s - and all the people in the income > stream benefit from them buying stuff. I bought a used Catalina 27 back in > the late 90s and the only one who benefited was the salesman... it's just not > the same, but the rich must buy the new stuff so the used stuff will be > around. > > It's the same will all kinds of new things we take for granted. Remember when > 40" TVs came out and sold for $3000-$5000? Only the rich would buy them but > by doing so they drove the price down to the point us normal people can > afford them. > > Trickle Down really works but the liberals try to criticize it because it > doesn't fit their agenda. > > Sincerely, > Larry > > On 1/26/2014 9:45 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: >> I had dinner with my cousin last night. Her husband works for Gulfstream in >> Savannah. They build G-650s there, which start at $65mil. If one were to >> order one today it would take at least 3 years to get it. He says there are >> people who pull out their checkbook to try to buy out someone further up the >> queue. These are likely rich folks or corporations. >> >> So Gulfstream have 5 or 6 factories around the country, all working flat out >> to build various aircraft. That $65mil and whatever the others cost employs >> thousands of people, supports various other industries, keeps the economies >> of their home communities going, and must add at least that value to their >> buyers in some ways. Oh, and to run one costs a fair amount of the purchase >> price each year, requires many pilots, hangars, fuel, maintenance etc etc >> which also keeps the economy going. And apparently did quite well even over >> the past few years. >> >> So, seems to me like rich folks and corporations have positive effects as >> well, whatever vilification the various politicos want to heap on them. >> Hell, I'd like to buy a G-650 and trod down all y'all. >> >> --R (sent from my miniPad) >> >> On Jan 26, 2014, at 6:27 PM, "Scott Ritchey" wrote: >> >> >> Here's a thought: Has the billionaire's wealth impoverished us (normal >> folks) in any way? It's a mixed bag. Certainly the banking clowns that >> walked away with the real estate bubble money plus the bailout money made us >> all poorer. But other billionaires like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates, Sam >> Walton, and MANY others have made most of us richer, or at least enriched >> our lives. It doesn't have to be a zero-sum game. The invisible hand does >> as good a job sorting this out as much as the government (picking winners >> and losers) does a bad job. Besides, look at how these very rich use their >> wealth. Certainly some are frivolous but there are also the Carnegies, >> Dukes, etc. who feel a high calling to use their enormous wealth for the >> common good. >> >> Sure, there are a few very rich people in the world, but why is that a >> problem? >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 steering wheel (some cat content)
Rick, Andrew. Dunno. I'm going to call for some bits and I'll find out. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. > > From: Andrew Strasfogel >To: Mercedes Discussion List >Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 4:16 PM >Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 steering wheel (some cat content) > > >do those prices reflect diy? >On Monday, January 27, 2014, Frederick Moir wrote: > >> http://providence.craigslist.org/pts/4277591522.html >> >> >> Fred Moir >> Lynn MA >> Diesel preferred. >> >> >> > >> > From: Rick Hawkins Java > >> >To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > >> >Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 2:40 PM >> >Subject: [MBZ] 123 steering wheel (some cat content) >> > >> > >> >Folks >> > >> >i'm still looking for a steering wheel for my 1982 300td >> > >> >i can get one on ebay >> > >> >mine has a place torn on the foam that is getting worse quickly >> > >> >Does anyone have a nice one you don't need? >> > >> >now for the cats ... we have some beautiful spayed and neutered feral >> >cats the county had a program to spay and neuter them a few years >> >ago and we have an official colony (they came with the building). >> > >> >Often they sit around on some of the mercedes cars. >> > >> >thanks, >> > >> >xx rick >> >Rick Hawkins >> > >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com > >To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and politicians
Fascinating. I never gave it any thought. On Monday, January 27, 2014, clay wrote: > beyond the pale > The phrase "beyond the pale" dates back to the 14th century, when the part > of Ireland that was under English rule was delineated by a boundary made of > such stakes or fences, and known as the English Pale. To travel outside of > that boundary, beyond the pale, was to leave behind all the rules and > institutions of English society, which the English modestly considered > synonymous with civilization itself. > > > On Jan 26, 2014, at 5:58 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > > > Over the top; inexcusable; beyond the bounds of civilized discourse. > > > > > > On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 8:34 PM, Mountain Man > > > > wrote: > > > >> Dieselhead wrote: > >>> After WWII, the japanese were asked about plans to invade the US. They > >> said > >>> they had no plans to invade because of the armed population. > >>> > >> > >> Guns are not much fear today. > >> Plenty of guns among us, but little if any cohesive ability to rally > >> troops to any cause due to myriad interweb/tv/radio leads. Who do we > >> shoot? Who are the bad guys? So we sit loaded and ready but insecure > >> which is the bad guy we are readying to shoot. Add in zero > >> interpersonal communications at church/tavern/club - its all at > >> FB/TW/... > >> mao > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Riding in the Car of the Future, Built in an Illinois Barn
Lol, although that probably sailed right over his head. On Monday, January 27, 2014, Rich Thomas < richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote: > If you tighten them up they will be fine in all weather conditions > > --R > > > On 1/27/14 3:49 PM, Craig wrote: > >> On Mon, 27 Jan 2014 11:45:47 -0700 Andrew Strasfogel >> wrote: >> >> I wonder how the EVs perform in winter and summer when heat and AC are >>> required. How severely does that sap their driving range? >>> >> Good question! >> >> Also, lead-acid batteries loose capacity when it's cold. Do the batteries >> used in electric vehicles (lithium ion?) also loose capacity when they >> are cold? >> >> >> Craig >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 steering wheel (some cat content)
do those prices reflect diy? On Monday, January 27, 2014, Frederick Moir wrote: > http://providence.craigslist.org/pts/4277591522.html > > > Fred Moir > Lynn MA > Diesel preferred. > > > > > > From: Rick Hawkins Java > > >To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > >Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 2:40 PM > >Subject: [MBZ] 123 steering wheel (some cat content) > > > > > >Folks > > > >i'm still looking for a steering wheel for my 1982 300td > > > >i can get one on ebay > > > >mine has a place torn on the foam that is getting worse quickly > > > >Does anyone have a nice one you don't need? > > > >now for the cats ... we have some beautiful spayed and neutered feral > >cats the county had a program to spay and neuter them a few years > >ago and we have an official colony (they came with the building). > > > >Often they sit around on some of the mercedes cars. > > > >thanks, > > > >xx rick > >Rick Hawkins > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and politicians
beyond the pale The phrase "beyond the pale" dates back to the 14th century, when the part of Ireland that was under English rule was delineated by a boundary made of such stakes or fences, and known as the English Pale. To travel outside of that boundary, beyond the pale, was to leave behind all the rules and institutions of English society, which the English modestly considered synonymous with civilization itself. On Jan 26, 2014, at 5:58 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > Over the top; inexcusable; beyond the bounds of civilized discourse. > > > On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 8:34 PM, Mountain Man wrote: > >> Dieselhead wrote: >>> After WWII, the japanese were asked about plans to invade the US. They >> said >>> they had no plans to invade because of the armed population. >>> >> >> Guns are not much fear today. >> Plenty of guns among us, but little if any cohesive ability to rally >> troops to any cause due to myriad interweb/tv/radio leads. Who do we >> shoot? Who are the bad guys? So we sit loaded and ready but insecure >> which is the bad guy we are readying to shoot. Add in zero >> interpersonal communications at church/tavern/club - its all at >> FB/TW/... >> mao >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
