Re: [MBZ] Put the crack pipe down

2014-08-21 Thread Archer75--- via Mercedes
That's exactly like mine; same non-reflective paint, same color.  Unique 
interior has bed and drivers seat only.  Ice cold air after sundown.  
Slick tires for racing.  Sun roof opens electrically; cranks shut.  
$4000 OBO (except Kaleb)

Gerry

On 8/20/2014 9:46 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:


85 mercedes Benz 300d turbo diesel
http://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/4613287754.html


It's got stealth paint so it's impervious to police radar.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Put the crack pipe down Kaleb, Mercs cost money

2014-08-21 Thread Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes
See we told you that the green one is within the range, this one is 
worth 6k according to the seller, who obviously knows more than you, at 
7.9 that frog coloured one is a steal and you should mosey on up and 
grab it, that may help you overcome your green obsession and move on to 
another colour.


Hendrik
who has a secret desire to own a rat merc

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85 mercedes Benz 300d turbo diesel
http://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/4613287754.html





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Re: [MBZ] OT: On Attaboys

2014-08-21 Thread Fmiser via Mercedes
 Curt wrote:
 
 We've been going through this with Angie's business, she's
 learning how to give the attaboy (or attagirl as the case may me)
 to her staff. She tells me They know they're appreciated to
 which I ask did you tell them?
 
 Its actually one of the complaints I have about where I work, the
 head pats are infrequent and inadequate. Thanking a team for
 their good work isn't the same as thanking the team members each
 for their input.

Yeah.  But it can be overdone too.  One thing I find worse than
silence is an attaboy for every little task especially when it's
doled out without merit by someone without a clue.  Hand them out
too freely and they will loose value.  Say it and not mean it and
it will be meaningless.


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Re: [MBZ] Holy rolling restorations batman

2014-08-21 Thread Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes
No same principle applies, say you buy a $500 rust bucket that needs 
major mechanical work as well. Itemise all the costs and the figure will 
be way high, depending on how much you can do.
Plus a neglected car is more likely to break down and leave you by the 
side of the road, compared to one that has been maintained.
Would you think that you could get a 500 beater up to the standard of 
that green 123 for 7k?
Perhaps if you have access to a fully equipped workshop and spray booth 
and know how to handle all the tools like a pro.
How much is a quality paint job these days? Sure anyone that is handy 
with their hands can do a course to learn the art and that is a challenge.
Or you can spend the 7.9k on the car and go fishing with it, while some 
other slob starts a rolling restoration and then gets tired of it, half 
way through.

How many of these was gonna fix er up ads do we see in a year?
If working on cars is your hobby, then yeah a 'good value' car that is 
not perfect but is not worn out is the go, do the essential to get it to 
a standard of reliability and then tinker away at it, plus if you buy at 
the bottom of the depreciation cycle you should not lose too much money 
on it.


Hendrik
whose cars are not quite rolling restorations

On 21/08/14 04:53, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

There is an exception to that rule.  If you to plan on a restoration, it
pays to purchase a *running car* as cheaply as possible so you can take
your time in making the most cost effective improvements at a leisurely
pace..  This explains my 18 year enjoyment and simultaneous restoration of
a 1970 280SE 3.5 coupe that had lots of issues, but I could at least drive
it safely while fixing and restoring things.





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wrote:
My experience as well. How much will you have to pay for any MB with 68k
miles accumulated at the standard rate of 12k/yr. (a 2008 model)? It looks
like a bargain from that perspective.


On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 4:37 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


Hendrik makes a very valid point, and one that pretty much applies to any
used car purchased. That is, spend the money up front for the very best
example you can find. You'll be better off than buying a fixer-upper or

one

that needs work, as it will most likely end up costing you more.

BTDT myself.

Dan


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[MBZ] OT recycled dog food dispenser

2014-08-21 Thread Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes

http://www.spiegel.de/international/turkish-stray-dog-feeding-machine-a-model-for-social-design-a-986392.html#ref=nl-international

Hendrik
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Re: [MBZ] Holy rolling restorations batman

2014-08-21 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
The only possible way this could even remotely work is if you are capable of 
doing ALL the work on the car. The minute you farm something out you're behind.

I've gone this route once, buying a Klebmobile thinking it would be relatively 
simple to buy cheap and save money doing the DIY thing and the numbers just 
don't work out.

This is even more relevant when you factor in the cost of your time.

I still believe that the cheapest way to get the nicest and best example of a 
car is to buy the best one you can afford.

Dan

 On Aug 21, 2014, at 5:08 AM, Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 No same principle applies, say you buy a $500 rust bucket that needs major 
 mechanical work as well. Itemise all the costs and the figure will be way 
 high, depending on how much you can do.
 Plus a neglected car is more likely to break down and leave you by the side 
 of the road, compared to one that has been maintained.
 Would you think that you could get a 500 beater up to the standard of that 
 green 123 for 7k?
 Perhaps if you have access to a fully equipped workshop and spray booth and 
 know how to handle all the tools like a pro.
 How much is a quality paint job these days? Sure anyone that is handy with 
 their hands can do a course to learn the art and that is a challenge.
 Or you can spend the 7.9k on the car and go fishing with it, while some other 
 slob starts a rolling restoration and then gets tired of it, half way through.
 How many of these was gonna fix er up ads do we see in a year?
 If working on cars is your hobby, then yeah a 'good value' car that is not 
 perfect but is not worn out is the go, do the essential to get it to a 
 standard of reliability and then tinker away at it, plus if you buy at the 
 bottom of the depreciation cycle you should not lose too much money on it.
 
 Hendrik
 whose cars are not quite rolling restorations
 
 On 21/08/14 04:53, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
 There is an exception to that rule.  If you to plan on a restoration, it
 pays to purchase a *running car* as cheaply as possible so you can take
 your time in making the most cost effective improvements at a leisurely
 pace..  This explains my 18 year enjoyment and simultaneous restoration of
 a 1970 280SE 3.5 coupe that had lots of issues, but I could at least drive
 it safely while fixing and restoring things.
 
 On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 12:44 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 
 wrote:
 My experience as well. How much will you have to pay for any MB with 68k
 miles accumulated at the standard rate of 12k/yr. (a 2008 model)? It looks
 like a bargain from that perspective.
 
 
 On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 4:37 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Hendrik makes a very valid point, and one that pretty much applies to any
 used car purchased. That is, spend the money up front for the very best
 example you can find. You'll be better off than buying a fixer-upper or
 one
 that needs work, as it will most likely end up costing you more.
 
 BTDT myself.
 
 Dan
 
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Re: [MBZ] Web Editor

2014-08-21 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Excuse my naivete, but is i free?


On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 5:56 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 I was wondering if anyone here has used Wordpress for putting a web site
 together. It looks like it's pretty user friendly and it's platform
 agnostic for the most part as well, since everything takes place on the
 server. Lots and lots of plugins, too.

 Dan

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Re: [MBZ] Web Editor

2014-08-21 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
At least the basic hosted one like this is -
http://norristailwind.wordpress.com/



On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 11:48 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Excuse my naivete, but is i free?





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Re: [MBZ] MB in WILTON neighborhood

2014-08-21 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Has to be a one off - wonder what the badge says on the trunk lid.  Very
good deal for the money IMO.


On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 11:09 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 wrote:

 And I'm gonna hafta let it go.

 Wilton

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 Subject: [MBZ] MB in WILTON neighborhood


  eastnc.craigslist.org/cto/4559345781.html
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Re: [MBZ] Web Editor

2014-08-21 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Yes. WordPress is free, however, there are literally thousands of plugins to 
enhance it, and many of them require a payment for licensing.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

 On Aug 21, 2014, at 12:48 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Excuse my naivete, but is i free?
 
 
 On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 5:56 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 I was wondering if anyone here has used Wordpress for putting a web site 
 together. It looks like it's pretty user friendly and it's platform agnostic 
 for the most part as well, since everything takes place on the server. Lots 
 and lots of plugins, too.
 
 Dan
 
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Re: [MBZ] Put the crack pipe down

2014-08-21 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Never driven in rain, snow, daylight, or in the dark


On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 3:42 AM, Archer75--- via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 That's exactly like mine; same non-reflective paint, same color.  Unique
 interior has bed and drivers seat only.  Ice cold air after sundown.  Slick
 tires for racing.  Sun roof opens electrically; cranks shut.  $4000 OBO
 (except Kaleb)
 Gerry


 On 8/20/2014 9:46 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

 Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:


 85 mercedes Benz 300d turbo diesel
 http://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/4613287754.html


 It's got stealth paint so it's impervious to police radar.

 Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Web Editor

2014-08-21 Thread Tim Crone via Mercedes
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 5:56 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 I was wondering if anyone here has used Wordpress for putting a web site
 together. It looks like it's pretty user friendly and it's platform
 agnostic for the most part as well, since everything takes place on the
 server. Lots and lots of plugins, too.


I have; all of my wife's sites were set up with WP so I wouldn't have to
provide maintenance beyond setup and upgrades.  It is very configurable,
even for individual pages.  The blog format is good for anything that is
serial, like car jobs or posting pictures, but you can also use it as a
container for a set of static pages.

There have been a lot of exploits in WP and plugins recently, so if you go
that route make sure you get on the mailing lists and/or go with a
reputable WP hosting company, and make sure you don't have anything
sensitive on your hosting machine.

Best,
Tim
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Re: [MBZ] Web Editor

2014-08-21 Thread Tim Crone via Mercedes
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 6:19 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:

 I started to use it for the build log for my Tailwind amateur built
 experimental aircraft, and didn't find it all that user friendly for what I
 want to do. I guess I should find a tutorial or something, but I thought I
 could just jump in and do it.


Blogger is probably easier if you aren't looking for serious control of the
output.  There are (used to be?) phone apps for quickly submitting blog
entries to Blogger.  IMO it is easier to create professional-looking pages
in WP, but Blogger is probably good enough for personal stuff.

Best,
Tim
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Re: [MBZ] OT: On Attaboys

2014-08-21 Thread Tim Crone via Mercedes
On Aug 21, 2014 4:40 AM, Fmiser via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:

 Yeah.  But it can be overdone too.  One thing I find worse than
 silence is an attaboy for every little task especially when it's
 doled out without merit by someone without a clue.  Hand them out

Hey, nice job expressing your concerns in a constructive manner.

Best,
Tim
Mostly clueless
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[MBZ] 300/350SDL

2014-08-21 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
Tim, what's the latest with the 300/350SDL?

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] 300/350SDL

2014-08-21 Thread Tim Crone via Mercedes
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 1:55 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:

 Tim, what's the latest with the 300/350SDL?


It's been sleeping for several months, I kept having to ferry the kids
during summer.  The kids go back to school next week so hopefully things
will calm down.  It's been almost a year - the DMV sent me the renewal - so
I'm officially behind schedule. :(

We're keeping it clean, at least - the kids can earn extra money by washing
the cars - so it's still just the engine bay that is in process.

Best,
Tim
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Re: [MBZ] OT recycled dog food dispenser

2014-08-21 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Thanks for sharing.  How creative!  I wonder if cities without strays will
bus them in to utilize all that free food.


On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 5:32 AM, Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 http://www.spiegel.de/international/turkish-stray-
 dog-feeding-machine-a-model-for-social-design-a-986392.
 html#ref=nl-international

 Hendrik
 who gets 10c per drink container
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Re: [MBZ] Web Editor

2014-08-21 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Back in the day, WP = WordPerfect, the best word processing software by
far, way superior to Word (then known as MS Word)..


On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 1:51 PM, Tim Crone via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 6:19 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com
 wrote:

  I started to use it for the build log for my Tailwind amateur built
  experimental aircraft, and didn't find it all that user friendly for
 what I
  want to do. I guess I should find a tutorial or something, but I thought
 I
  could just jump in and do it.


 Blogger is probably easier if you aren't looking for serious control of the
 output.  There are (used to be?) phone apps for quickly submitting blog
 entries to Blogger.  IMO it is easier to create professional-looking pages
 in WP, but Blogger is probably good enough for personal stuff.

 Best,
 Tim
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Re: [MBZ] Holy rolling restorations batman

2014-08-21 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
This only works when the car is good enough to be a daily driver.  The
improvements, usually done on weekends, are a form of free therapy and
self-improvement in mechanical skills.  Eventually, after the cheap car's
cost has been amortized, you can take it to the body shop to make it pretty.


On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 7:35 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 The only possible way this could even remotely work is if you are capable
 of doing ALL the work on the car. The minute you farm something out you're
 behind.

 I've gone this route once, buying a Klebmobile thinking it would be
 relatively simple to buy cheap and save money doing the DIY thing and the
 numbers just don't work out.

 This is even more relevant when you factor in the cost of your time.

 I still believe that the cheapest way to get the nicest and best example
 of a car is to buy the best one you can afford.

 Dan

  On Aug 21, 2014, at 5:08 AM, Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
  No same principle applies, say you buy a $500 rust bucket that needs
 major mechanical work as well. Itemise all the costs and the figure will be
 way high, depending on how much you can do.
  Plus a neglected car is more likely to break down and leave you by the
 side of the road, compared to one that has been maintained.
  Would you think that you could get a 500 beater up to the standard of
 that green 123 for 7k?
  Perhaps if you have access to a fully equipped workshop and spray booth
 and know how to handle all the tools like a pro.
  How much is a quality paint job these days? Sure anyone that is handy
 with their hands can do a course to learn the art and that is a challenge.
  Or you can spend the 7.9k on the car and go fishing with it, while some
 other slob starts a rolling restoration and then gets tired of it, half way
 through.
  How many of these was gonna fix er up ads do we see in a year?
  If working on cars is your hobby, then yeah a 'good value' car that is
 not perfect but is not worn out is the go, do the essential to get it to a
 standard of reliability and then tinker away at it, plus if you buy at the
 bottom of the depreciation cycle you should not lose too much money on it.
 
  Hendrik
  whose cars are not quite rolling restorations
 
  On 21/08/14 04:53, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
  There is an exception to that rule.  If you to plan on a restoration, it
  pays to purchase a *running car* as cheaply as possible so you can take
  your time in making the most cost effective improvements at a leisurely
  pace..  This explains my 18 year enjoyment and simultaneous restoration
 of
  a 1970 280SE 3.5 coupe that had lots of issues, but I could at least
 drive
  it safely while fixing and restoring things.
 
  On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 12:44 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com
 
  wrote:
  My experience as well. How much will you have to pay for any MB with 68k
  miles accumulated at the standard rate of 12k/yr. (a 2008 model)? It
 looks
  like a bargain from that perspective.
 
 
  On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 4:37 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
  Hendrik makes a very valid point, and one that pretty much applies to
 any
  used car purchased. That is, spend the money up front for the very best
  example you can find. You'll be better off than buying a fixer-upper or
  one
  that needs work, as it will most likely end up costing you more.
 
  BTDT myself.
 
  Dan
 
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[MBZ] OT An eventful morning

2014-08-21 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
I go pick up my wife at the airport this morning, as I am leaving the 
waiting parking area the Suburban starts hesitating and chugging.  The 
Low Coolant light had come on so while waiting I put in about 1/2 gal of 
coolant.  (THis has been an ongoing occasional issue, no clear source of 
leaking, figuring at 200k miles the head gasket might be going bad.)  
Temp not excessive.  Get to pick her up and it dies.  I get it going 
again, we get about a half mile down the road, dead no go.  I am poking 
around trying to figure out the problem, I see one plastic press-on 
heater hose fitting broken at the firewall.  That'll do it.  So then I 
am fooling with that and the other one next to it snaps off too.  Yay.  
Looks like there is a valve that controls coolant flow, down at the 
engine, but started it and it ran a few seconds, coolant puking out the 
hose so no way to drive it even if it started and ran.


So fortunately she has AAA so we call for a tow.  Flatbed shows up in 
like 45min. brings everything home.  I am looking up this problem on the 
intertubes, and see it is a common problem.  That's comforting, at 
least the parts are cheap enough.  Was planning to do the 200k service 
and change all hoses and belts and fluids and such when it cooled down a 
bit, looks like at least that part will be done sooner.  I am hoping 
that some other problem of a more significant nature did not manifest 
due to low coolant.  I'll probably just bypass the heater for now until 
I can get parts, see if the thing will start and run after it cools down 
more.  Plus it is in the 90s today, so that will take awhile.


--R

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[MBZ] B-52 strkes

2014-08-21 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
I'm 'bout ready to volunteer my services for BUFF strikes on ISIL.

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] B-52 strkes

2014-08-21 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes

I think one would do the job, if done properly.

--R


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I'm 'bout ready to volunteer my services for BUFF strikes on ISIL.

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Re: [MBZ] B-52 strkes

2014-08-21 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
‎Not_going_to_happen...

Rick 
Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
  Original Message  
From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 1:41 PM
To: WILTON; Mercedes Discussion List
Reply To: Rich Thomas
Subject: Re: [MBZ] B-52 strkes

I think one would do the job, if done properly.

--R


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 I'm 'bout ready to volunteer my services for BUFF strikes on ISIL.

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Re: [MBZ] B-52 strkes

2014-08-21 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

Yep, one probably could.

Wilton

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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] B-52 strkes



‎Not_going_to_happen...

Rick
Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
Original Message
From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 1:41 PM
To: WILTON; Mercedes Discussion List
Reply To: Rich Thomas
Subject: Re: [MBZ] B-52 strkes

I think one would do the job, if done properly.

--R


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Re: [MBZ] OT An eventful morning

2014-08-21 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Serves you right for not owning a 300TD wagon.


On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 I go pick up my wife at the airport this morning, as I am leaving the
 waiting parking area the Suburban starts hesitating and chugging.  The Low
 Coolant light had come on so while waiting I put in about 1/2 gal of
 coolant.  (THis has been an ongoing occasional issue, no clear source of
 leaking, figuring at 200k miles the head gasket might be going bad.)  Temp
 not excessive.  Get to pick her up and it dies.  I get it going again, we
 get about a half mile down the road, dead no go.  I am poking around trying
 to figure out the problem, I see one plastic press-on heater hose fitting
 broken at the firewall.  That'll do it.  So then I am fooling with that and
 the other one next to it snaps off too.  Yay.  Looks like there is a valve
 that controls coolant flow, down at the engine, but started it and it ran a
 few seconds, coolant puking out the hose so no way to drive it even if it
 started and ran.

 So fortunately she has AAA so we call for a tow.  Flatbed shows up in like
 45min. brings everything home.  I am looking up this problem on the
 intertubes, and see it is a common problem.  That's comforting, at least
 the parts are cheap enough.  Was planning to do the 200k service and change
 all hoses and belts and fluids and such when it cooled down a bit, looks
 like at least that part will be done sooner.  I am hoping that some other
 problem of a more significant nature did not manifest due to low coolant.
 I'll probably just bypass the heater for now until I can get parts, see if
 the thing will start and run after it cools down more.  Plus it is in the
 90s today, so that will take awhile.

 --R

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Re: [MBZ] OT recycled dog food dispenser

2014-08-21 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
What about the street people? Do they get their own machine or do they 
have to eat dog food??


Randy


On 21/08/2014 1:15 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Thanks for sharing.  How creative!  I wonder if cities without strays will
bus them in to utilize all that free food.


On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 5:32 AM, Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


http://www.spiegel.de/international/turkish-stray-
dog-feeding-machine-a-model-for-social-design-a-986392.
html#ref=nl-international

Hendrik
who gets 10c per drink container
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Re: [MBZ] B-52 strkes

2014-08-21 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
B 52's still nuke capable?  That just might work... I'll buy the fuel
for take off.. ha.


On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 11:45 AM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 wrote:

 Yep, one probably could.

 Wilton

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 Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 2:42 PM

 Subject: Re: [MBZ] B-52 strkes


  ‎Not_going_to_happen...

 Rick
 Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
 Original Message
 From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes
 Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 1:41 PM
 To: WILTON; Mercedes Discussion List
 Reply To: Rich Thomas
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] B-52 strkes

 I think one would do the job, if done properly.

 --R


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Re: [MBZ] OT An eventful morning

2014-08-21 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
W140s have a tee fitting on the firewall that likes to crack or break at 
inopportune times and promptly yak the contents of the cooling system on the 
ground. If you're moving at highway speeds this happens in a matter of seconds.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

 On Aug 21, 2014, at 2:35 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 I go pick up my wife at the airport this morning, as I am leaving the waiting 
 parking area the Suburban starts hesitating and chugging.  The Low Coolant 
 light had come on so while waiting I put in about 1/2 gal of coolant.  (THis 
 has been an ongoing occasional issue, no clear source of leaking, figuring at 
 200k miles the head gasket might be going bad.)  Temp not excessive.  Get to 
 pick her up and it dies.  I get it going again, we get about a half mile down 
 the road, dead no go.  I am poking around trying to figure out the problem, I 
 see one plastic press-on heater hose fitting broken at the firewall.  That'll 
 do it.  So then I am fooling with that and the other one next to it snaps off 
 too.  Yay.  Looks like there is a valve that controls coolant flow, down at 
 the engine, but started it and it ran a few seconds, coolant puking out the 
 hose so no way to drive it even if it started and ran.
 
 So fortunately she has AAA so we call for a tow.  Flatbed shows up in like 
 45min. brings everything home.  I am looking up this problem on the 
 intertubes, and see it is a common problem.  That's comforting, at least 
 the parts are cheap enough.  Was planning to do the 200k service and change 
 all hoses and belts and fluids and such when it cooled down a bit, looks like 
 at least that part will be done sooner.  I am hoping that some other problem 
 of a more significant nature did not manifest due to low coolant.  I'll 
 probably just bypass the heater for now until I can get parts, see if the 
 thing will start and run after it cools down more.  Plus it is in the 90s 
 today, so that will take awhile.
 
 --R
 
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[MBZ] An eventful morning + Benz story

2014-08-21 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
I have to get those new fittings tomorrow.  For now I put in a piece of 
1/2 copper to join the two hoses and bypass the heater core.  I started 
the thing and it was not running off idle at all, then after maybe 30sec 
at idle it would die.  I was thinking that maybe some sensor had gone 
bad but it's not throwing any codes so that didn't seem to be the 
problem.  I CHECKED THE FUSES and all were fine, at least the ones that 
had to do with the engine controls and various other indecipherable 
codes on the fuse pic.


So after doing all that it was still not running, I tried a couple more 
times, and then after 3 or 4 tries it started running fine. Gets me 
wondering if either the fuel pump is going wonky and not getting enough 
fuel pressure/delivery, or if it was vapor locked? Does that even happen 
any more?  Tank is at like 3/4 so that is not a problem.  Maybe I'll get 
some new fuel filters and replace those, time to do that anyway.


Benz content:  The flatbed driver was all fired up when he saw the 84 
SD.  We got to talking, turns out he is something of a Benz guy, said he 
had 3, used to have a couple more, his wife was on his ass to get rid of 
some.  Not sure he has diesels or gassers now, one he got rid of was an 
SD the tranny went bad, some guy kept bugging him to buy it so he sold 
it with the bad tranny for some decent money. he said he picked them up 
when he was towing (flatbedding?) them and owners didn't want to spend 
any more money on them.  Got a 190E for nothing, the guy had spent $3k 
on it trying to get it run right. Driver says he replaced the fuel 
filters, that still didn't do it, then he saw a fuse for the fuel pump, 
replaced that, and the thing ran fine.


--R


On 8/21/14 3:51 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:

W140s have a tee fitting on the firewall that likes to crack or break at 
inopportune times and promptly yak the contents of the cooling system on the 
ground. If you're moving at highway speeds this happens in a matter of seconds.

Dan

Sent from my iPad


On Aug 21, 2014, at 2:35 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
wrote:

I go pick up my wife at the airport this morning, as I am leaving the waiting 
parking area the Suburban starts hesitating and chugging.  The Low Coolant 
light had come on so while waiting I put in about 1/2 gal of coolant.  (THis 
has been an ongoing occasional issue, no clear source of leaking, figuring at 
200k miles the head gasket might be going bad.)  Temp not excessive.  Get to 
pick her up and it dies.  I get it going again, we get about a half mile down 
the road, dead no go.  I am poking around trying to figure out the problem, I 
see one plastic press-on heater hose fitting broken at the firewall.  That'll 
do it.  So then I am fooling with that and the other one next to it snaps off 
too.  Yay.  Looks like there is a valve that controls coolant flow, down at the 
engine, but started it and it ran a few seconds, coolant puking out the hose so 
no way to drive it even if it started and ran.

So fortunately she has AAA so we call for a tow.  Flatbed shows up in like 45min. brings 
everything home.  I am looking up this problem on the intertubes, and see it is a 
common problem.  That's comforting, at least the parts are cheap enough.  Was 
planning to do the 200k service and change all hoses and belts and fluids and such when 
it cooled down a bit, looks like at least that part will be done sooner.  I am hoping 
that some other problem of a more significant nature did not manifest due to low coolant. 
 I'll probably just bypass the heater for now until I can get parts, see if the thing 
will start and run after it cools down more.  Plus it is in the 90s today, so that will 
take awhile.

--R

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Re: [MBZ] An eventful morning + Benz story

2014-08-21 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I think vapor lock doesn't occur on fuel injected engines since the pump is in 
the tank and pushes so the lines are always full of liquid fuel. Still you 
could be short on fuel pressure. Filters are a good place to start.

-Curt



 From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 5:05 PM
Subject: [MBZ] An eventful morning + Benz story
 

I have to get those new fittings tomorrow.  For now I put in a piece of 
1/2 copper to join the two hoses and bypass the heater core.  I started 
the thing and it was not running off idle at all, then after maybe 30sec 
at idle it would die.  I was thinking that maybe some sensor had gone 
bad but it's not throwing any codes so that didn't seem to be the 
problem.  I CHECKED THE FUSES and all were fine, at least the ones that 
had to do with the engine controls and various other indecipherable 
codes on the fuse pic.

So after doing all that it was still not running, I tried a couple more 
times, and then after 3 or 4 tries it started running fine. Gets me 
wondering if either the fuel pump is going wonky and not getting enough 
fuel pressure/delivery, or if it was vapor locked? Does that even happen 
any more?  Tank is at like 3/4 so that is not a problem.  Maybe I'll get 
some new fuel filters and replace those, time to do that anyway.

Benz content:  The flatbed driver was all fired up when he saw the 84 
SD.  We got to talking, turns out he is something of a Benz guy, said he 
had 3, used to have a couple more, his wife was on his ass to get rid of 
some.  Not sure he has diesels or gassers now, one he got rid of was an 
SD the tranny went bad, some guy kept bugging him to buy it so he sold 
it with the bad tranny for some decent money. he said he picked them up 
when he was towing (flatbedding?) them and owners didn't want to spend 
any more money on them.  Got a 190E for nothing, the guy had spent $3k 
on it trying to get it run right. Driver says he replaced the fuel 
filters, that still didn't do it, then he saw a fuse for the fuel pump, 
replaced that, and the thing ran fine.

--R



On 8/21/14 3:51 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:
 W140s have a tee fitting on the firewall that likes to crack or break at 
 inopportune times and promptly yak the contents of the cooling system on the 
 ground. If you're moving at highway speeds this happens in a matter of 
 seconds.

 Dan

 Sent from my iPad

 On Aug 21, 2014, at 2:35 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 I go pick up my wife at the airport this morning, as I am leaving the 
 waiting parking area the Suburban starts hesitating and chugging.  The Low 
 Coolant light had come on so while waiting I put in about 1/2 gal of 
 coolant.  (THis has been an ongoing occasional issue, no clear source of 
 leaking, figuring at 200k miles the head gasket might be going bad.)  Temp 
 not excessive.  Get to pick her up and it dies.  I get it going again, we 
 get about a half mile down the road, dead no go.  I am poking around trying 
 to figure out the problem, I see one plastic press-on heater hose fitting 
 broken at the firewall.  That'll do it.  So then I am fooling with that and 
 the other one next to it snaps off too.  Yay.  Looks like there is a valve 
 that controls coolant flow, down at the engine, but started it and it ran a 
 few seconds, coolant puking out the hose so no way to drive it even if it 
 started and ran.

 So fortunately she has AAA so we call for a tow.  Flatbed shows up in like 
 45min. brings everything home.  I am looking up this problem on the 
 intertubes, and see it is a common problem.  That's comforting, at least 
 the parts are cheap enough.  Was planning to do the 200k service and change 
 all hoses and belts and fluids and such when it cooled down a bit, looks 
 like at least that part will be done sooner.  I am hoping that some other 
 problem of a more significant nature did not manifest due to low coolant.  
 I'll probably just bypass the heater for now until I can get parts, see if 
 the thing will start and run after it cools down more.  Plus it is in the 
 90s today, so that will take awhile.

 --R

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[MBZ] 1984 500SEL Surrender

2014-08-21 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I'm thinking this guy is going to be back to me in a couple of weeks, ready to 
take $500 for this car

I saw that he just updated the CL listing for it instead of creating a new 
listing.  Not a bright idea, as it will stay way, way down the list and not be 
current.  And he's asking $950, not $700 like he was earlier.

http://tampa.craigslist.org/hdo/cto/4587368673.html

Car will start.

Wow.  That gives me a lot of confidence.  I'll give him until after the Labor 
Day weekend.

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL Surrender

2014-08-21 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Geez poos just buy it already! 

Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 21, 2014, at 6:01 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 I'm thinking this guy is going to be back to me in a couple of weeks, ready 
 to take $500 for this car
 
 I saw that he just updated the CL listing for it instead of creating a new 
 listing.  Not a bright idea, as it will stay way, way down the list and not 
 be current.  And he's asking $950, not $700 like he was earlier.
 
 http://tampa.craigslist.org/hdo/cto/4587368673.html
 
 Car will start.
 
 Wow.  That gives me a lot of confidence.  I'll give him until after the Labor 
 Day weekend.
 
 Dan
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Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL Surrender

2014-08-21 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I don't really need it at this point, but if I could get it for $500 I would 
jump on it.  The car has some potential for a decent driver but not a big money 
flip.  After I got the tank coated and the rest of the car cleaned up I could 
probably get $1500 for it around here.

Any more than $500 and it's not worth the effort.  It will cost me $50 in gas 
just to tow it home.

And, I have a car that I'm getting after Labor Day that's going to be occupying 
my time for a little while anyway.  Not enugh room in the driveway

Dan





On Aug 21, 2014, at 7:05 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote:

 Geez poos just buy it already! 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 21, 2014, at 6:01 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 I'm thinking this guy is going to be back to me in a couple of weeks, ready 
 to take $500 for this car
 
 I saw that he just updated the CL listing for it instead of creating a new 
 listing.  Not a bright idea, as it will stay way, way down the list and not 
 be current.  And he's asking $950, not $700 like he was earlier.
 
 http://tampa.craigslist.org/hdo/cto/4587368673.html
 
 Car will start.
 
 Wow.  That gives me a lot of confidence.  I'll give him until after the 
 Labor Day weekend.
 
 Dan
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Re: [MBZ] B-52 strkes

2014-08-21 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Rick wrote:
 ‎Not_going_to_happen...

Let's say it again.
Not_going_to_happen...
I don't want to see it.
The remainder of the planet will stand around spouting words of wisdom
as they wring their hands.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL Surrender

2014-08-21 Thread Gary Hurst via Mercedes
you sh ould move to lakeland as there is plenty of room



On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 7:09 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 I don't really need it at this point, but if I could get it for $500 I
 would jump on it.  The car has some potential for a decent driver but not a
 big money flip.  After I got the tank coated and the rest of the car
 cleaned up I could probably get $1500 for it around here.

 Any more than $500 and it's not worth the effort.  It will cost me $50 in
 gas just to tow it home.

 And, I have a car that I'm getting after Labor Day that's going to be
 occupying my time for a little while anyway.  Not enugh room in the
 driveway

 Dan





 On Aug 21, 2014, at 7:05 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote:

  Geez poos just buy it already!
 
  Sent from my iPhone
 
  On Aug 21, 2014, at 6:01 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
  I'm thinking this guy is going to be back to me in a couple of weeks,
 ready to take $500 for this car
 
  I saw that he just updated the CL listing for it instead of creating a
 new listing.  Not a bright idea, as it will stay way, way down the list and
 not be current.  And he's asking $950, not $700 like he was earlier.
 
  http://tampa.craigslist.org/hdo/cto/4587368673.html
 
  Car will start.
 
  Wow.  That gives me a lot of confidence.  I'll give him until after the
 Labor Day weekend.
 
  Dan
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Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL Surrender

2014-08-21 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Yea I would have thought there would be plenty of less rusty cars much closer 
to you.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 21, 2014, at 6:09 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 I don't really need it at this point, but if I could get it for $500 I would 
 jump on it.  The car has some potential for a decent driver but not a big 
 money flip.  After I got the tank coated and the rest of the car cleaned up I 
 could probably get $1500 for it around here.
 
 Any more than $500 and it's not worth the effort.  It will cost me $50 in gas 
 just to tow it home.
 
 And, I have a car that I'm getting after Labor Day that's going to be 
 occupying my time for a little while anyway.  Not enugh room in the 
 driveway
 
 Dan
 
 
 
 
 
 On Aug 21, 2014, at 7:05 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote:
 
 Geez poos just buy it already! 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Aug 21, 2014, at 6:01 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 I'm thinking this guy is going to be back to me in a couple of weeks, ready 
 to take $500 for this car
 
 I saw that he just updated the CL listing for it instead of creating a new 
 listing.  Not a bright idea, as it will stay way, way down the list and not 
 be current.  And he's asking $950, not $700 like he was earlier.
 
 http://tampa.craigslist.org/hdo/cto/4587368673.html
 
 Car will start.
 
 Wow.  That gives me a lot of confidence.  I'll give him until after the 
 Labor Day weekend.
 
 Dan
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Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL Surrender

2014-08-21 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I wish I was closer, I'd be into it in the $500 range too. Of course I need 
another project like I need a hole in the head.

-Curt



 From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 7:01 PM
Subject: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL Surrender
 

I'm thinking this guy is going to be back to me in a couple of weeks, ready to 
take $500 for this car

I saw that he just updated the CL listing for it instead of creating a new 
listing.  Not a bright idea, as it will stay way, way down the list and not be 
current.  And he's asking $950, not $700 like he was earlier.

http://tampa.craigslist.org/hdo/cto/4587368673.html

Car will start.

Wow.  That gives me a lot of confidence.  I'll give him until after the Labor 
Day weekend.

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL Surrender

2014-08-21 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
Speaking of starting reminds me:  Coupla weeks ago, I had just made one pass 
at curb across front yard with JD riding mower when painting crew working on 
outside of the house pulled up to curb after lunch.  I cut the mower off to 
talk to the painters.  Couple minutes later, when I tried to re-start the 
mower, it only groaned once then nothing.  Painters pushed mower and me to 
within jumper cable distance of the battery in the '87 300D.  Mower still 
only groaned with jumper cables attached.  SWMBO pushed mower and me to the 
mower's parking place.


Rain, heat, humidity, skeeters, procrastination and most anything kept me 
from tackling the mower problem until this morning.  Meanwhile, #1 son came 
and cut grass once and I thought occasionally about how the family's '37 
Ford suddenly would not start one weekend in 1948 when I was 14 and had 
taken the car on extended spins around and around the house many times while 
my two brothers, who were the family drivers and in charge of the car were 
on a weekend trip with a third brother.  While I worried that my brothers 
would accuse me of breaking the car, early Sunday afternoon a cousin about 
the age of one of my driver brothers stopped by for a visit.


The cousin asked me why the car was sitting in a strange position in the 
yard.  I told 'im I'd been driving it, and it would not start on Saturday 
afternoon after I had taken a lunch break from my self-taught driving 
lessons.  He got a wrench, opened the hood ad asked me to Try it now while 
he tightened the battery cables a bit.  That's when I learned about loose 
and/or corroded battery cables.


Shonuff, 'removed the mower battery cables, cleaned the cable ends and the 
battery terminals, reattached the cables and mower starts right up.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com

To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 7:01 PM
Subject: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL Surrender


I'm thinking this guy is going to be back to me in a couple of weeks, 
ready to take $500 for this car


I saw that he just updated the CL listing for it instead of creating a new 
listing.  Not a bright idea, as it will stay way, way down the list and 
not be current.  And he's asking $950, not $700 like he was earlier.


http://tampa.craigslist.org/hdo/cto/4587368673.html

Car will start.

Wow.  That gives me a lot of confidence.  I'll give him until after the 
Labor Day weekend.


Dan
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Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL Surrender

2014-08-21 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

WILTON via Mercedes wrote:

Shonuff, 'removed the mower battery cables, cleaned the cable ends and 
the battery terminals, reattached the cables and mower starts right up.


Wilton



Attaboy!

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Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL Surrender

2014-08-21 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Attaboy indeed.

I had a hard time starting my Cub Cadet to plow snow last winter. The 7hp 
Kohler in it is getting really tired so it needs to crank over for quite awhile 
before it fires up. I'd been feeding it a little starting fluid which got 
things going. Finally I rebuilt the starter/generator as I thought maybe bad 
bearings were keeping it from turning fast enough. The bearings were a little 
crunchy but not too bad and after the rebuild it started no better. Finally 
like you inspiration hit and I cleaned both the battery terminals and the hot 
terminal at the starter/generator, MUCH better. It turns fast enough to start 
with out help mostly. It'll still want a little help if its sat for any amount 
of time, like right now for instance.

At some point I want to buy a 10hp China diesel. Thats what they call the 
Chinese copies of the Yanmar diesels. Ought to make that thing into a mean snow 
plowing machine. With the added power I'll need to fluid fill the tires and add 
a weight box, which I've never bothered with the old tired 7hp.

-Curt



 From: WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
To: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com; Mercedes Discussion List 
mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL Surrender
 

Speaking of starting reminds me:  Coupla weeks ago, I had just made one pass 
at curb across front yard with JD riding mower when painting crew working on 
outside of the house pulled up to curb after lunch.  I cut the mower off to 
talk to the painters.  Couple minutes later, when I tried to re-start the 
mower, it only groaned once then nothing.  Painters pushed mower and me to 
within jumper cable distance of the battery in the '87 300D.  Mower still 
only groaned with jumper cables attached.  SWMBO pushed mower and me to the 
mower's parking place.

Rain, heat, humidity, skeeters, procrastination and most anything kept me 
from tackling the mower problem until this morning.  Meanwhile, #1 son came 
and cut grass once and I thought occasionally about how the family's '37 
Ford suddenly would not start one weekend in 1948 when I was 14 and had 
taken the car on extended spins around and around the house many times while 
my two brothers, who were the family drivers and in charge of the car were 
on a weekend trip with a third brother.  While I worried that my brothers 
would accuse me of breaking the car, early Sunday afternoon a cousin about 
the age of one of my driver brothers stopped by for a visit.

The cousin asked me why the car was sitting in a strange position in the 
yard.  I told 'im I'd been driving it, and it would not start on Saturday 
afternoon after I had taken a lunch break from my self-taught driving 
lessons.  He got a wrench, opened the hood ad asked me to Try it now while 
he tightened the battery cables a bit.  That's when I learned about loose 
and/or corroded battery cables.

Shonuff, 'removed the mower battery cables, cleaned the cable ends and the 
battery terminals, reattached the cables and mower starts right up.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 7:01 PM
Subject: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL Surrender


 I'm thinking this guy is going to be back to me in a couple of weeks, 
 ready to take $500 for this car

 I saw that he just updated the CL listing for it instead of creating a new 
 listing.  Not a bright idea, as it will stay way, way down the list and 
 not be current.  And he's asking $950, not $700 like he was earlier.

 http://tampa.craigslist.org/hdo/cto/4587368673.html

 Car will start.

 Wow.  That gives me a lot of confidence.  I'll give him until after the 
 Labor Day weekend.

 Dan
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Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL Surrendered

2014-08-21 Thread Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes

But but but the car was 60k new, so it's gotta be a bargain.
Anyway, this one has K-jet, which is not as efficient as KE and will 
require tuning now and then.
I think they also made a high compression version of this motor, from 
memory it will have dual air intakes.
If there was a something a bit special about this car or it was 
completely rust free, then yeah worth mucking around with.
Also for a driver the SE is a better proposition, a bit shorter which 
makes it easier to manoeuvre.
Yeah if it was a Euro 500SE with high output motor...or even a 
later series 2 126, which got nicer leather and other goodies.

Hey, you could paint it green and flog it off to Kaleb?

Hendrik
who can't buy half decent 126's for that sort of money around here

On 22/08/14 08:39, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I don't really need it at this point, but if I could get it for $500 I would 
jump on it.  The car has some potential for a decent driver but not a big money 
flip.  After I got the tank coated and the rest of the car cleaned up I could 
probably get $1500 for it around here.

Any more than $500 and it's not worth the effort.  It will cost me $50 in gas 
just to tow it home.

And, I have a car that I'm getting after Labor Day that's going to be occupying 
my time for a little while anyway.  Not enugh room in the driveway

Dan



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Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL Surrender

2014-08-21 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
A surprisingly common problem in the utility tractor community is bad
battery cables.  In these cases the conductor fails (corrosion) under the
insulation where it's not visible such that the cable (and the end
terminals) still looks fine.

Mercedes content:  These are Diesel tractors.

 -Original Message-
 From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
 WILTON via Mercedes
 Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 8:14 PM
 To: Dan Penoff; Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL Surrender
 
 Speaking of starting reminds me:  Coupla weeks ago, I had just made one
 pass at curb across front yard with JD riding mower when painting crew
 working on outside of the house pulled up to curb after lunch.  I cut the
 mower off to talk to the painters.  Couple minutes later, when I tried to
re-
 start the mower, it only groaned once then nothing.  Painters pushed mower
 and me to within jumper cable distance of the battery in the '87 300D.
 Mower still only groaned with jumper cables attached.  SWMBO pushed
 mower and me to the mower's parking place.
 
 Rain, heat, humidity, skeeters, procrastination and most anything kept me
 from tackling the mower problem until this morning.  Meanwhile, #1 son
 came and cut grass once and I thought occasionally about how the family's
 '37 Ford suddenly would not start one weekend in 1948 when I was 14 and
 had taken the car on extended spins around and around the house many
 times while my two brothers, who were the family drivers and in charge
of
 the car were on a weekend trip with a third brother.  While I worried that
my
 brothers would accuse me of breaking the car, early Sunday afternoon a
 cousin about the age of one of my driver brothers stopped by for a
visit.
 
 The cousin asked me why the car was sitting in a strange position in the
yard.
 I told 'im I'd been driving it, and it would not start on Saturday
afternoon
 after I had taken a lunch break from my self-taught driving lessons.  He
got a
 wrench, opened the hood ad asked me to Try it now while he tightened the
 battery cables a bit.  That's when I learned about loose and/or corroded
 battery cables.
 
 Shonuff, 'removed the mower battery cables, cleaned the cable ends and the
 battery terminals, reattached the cables and mower starts right up.
 
 Wilton
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 7:01 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL Surrender
 
 
  I'm thinking this guy is going to be back to me in a couple of weeks,
  ready to take $500 for this car
 
  I saw that he just updated the CL listing for it instead of creating a
new
  listing.  Not a bright idea, as it will stay way, way down the list and
  not be current.  And he's asking $950, not $700 like he was earlier.
 
  http://tampa.craigslist.org/hdo/cto/4587368673.html
 
  Car will start.
 
  Wow.  That gives me a lot of confidence.  I'll give him until after the
  Labor Day weekend.
 
  Dan
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Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL Surrender

2014-08-21 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
I'm fixing to buy a diesel tractor for the ranch. Probably new. Probably Kubota.

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 On Aug 21, 2014, at 7:50 PM, Scott Ritchey viaMercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 A surprisingly common problem in the utility tractor community is bad
 battery cables.  In these cases the conductor fails (corrosion) under the
 insulation where it's not visible such that the cable (and the end
 terminals) still looks fine.
 
 Mercedes content:  These are Diesel tractors.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
 WILTON via Mercedes
 Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 8:14 PM
 To: Dan Penoff; Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL Surrender
 
 Speaking of starting reminds me:  Coupla weeks ago, I had just made one
 pass at curb across front yard with JD riding mower when painting crew
 working on outside of the house pulled up to curb after lunch.  I cut the
 mower off to talk to the painters.  Couple minutes later, when I tried to
 re-
 start the mower, it only groaned once then nothing.  Painters pushed mower
 and me to within jumper cable distance of the battery in the '87 300D.
 Mower still only groaned with jumper cables attached.  SWMBO pushed
 mower and me to the mower's parking place.
 
 Rain, heat, humidity, skeeters, procrastination and most anything kept me
 from tackling the mower problem until this morning.  Meanwhile, #1 son
 came and cut grass once and I thought occasionally about how the family's
 '37 Ford suddenly would not start one weekend in 1948 when I was 14 and
 had taken the car on extended spins around and around the house many
 times while my two brothers, who were the family drivers and in charge
 of
 the car were on a weekend trip with a third brother.  While I worried that
 my
 brothers would accuse me of breaking the car, early Sunday afternoon a
 cousin about the age of one of my driver brothers stopped by for a
 visit.
 
 The cousin asked me why the car was sitting in a strange position in the
 yard.
 I told 'im I'd been driving it, and it would not start on Saturday
 afternoon
 after I had taken a lunch break from my self-taught driving lessons.  He
 got a
 wrench, opened the hood ad asked me to Try it now while he tightened the
 battery cables a bit.  That's when I learned about loose and/or corroded
 battery cables.
 
 Shonuff, 'removed the mower battery cables, cleaned the cable ends and the
 battery terminals, reattached the cables and mower starts right up.
 
 Wilton
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 7:01 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL Surrender
 
 
 I'm thinking this guy is going to be back to me in a couple of weeks,
 ready to take $500 for this car
 
 I saw that he just updated the CL listing for it instead of creating a
 new
 listing.  Not a bright idea, as it will stay way, way down the list and
 not be current.  And he's asking $950, not $700 like he was earlier.
 
 http://tampa.craigslist.org/hdo/cto/4587368673.html
 
 Car will start.
 
 Wow.  That gives me a lot of confidence.  I'll give him until after the
 Labor Day weekend.
 
 Dan
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[MBZ] I am actually considering this

2014-08-21 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Has traction control which is rare in a 126, too bad it's not a 560 though.

1991 MERCEDES 420 SEL LOW MILES CLEAN!
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Re: [MBZ] An eventful morning + Benz story

2014-08-21 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Does a bad crank position sensor cause that?

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Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] OT recycled dog food dispenser

2014-08-21 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Lace the dog food with something that renders them sterile, THEN you've got
something!

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Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL Surrender

2014-08-21 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Did you move all your cars to the new place?

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC

On Aug 21, 2014 8:27 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 I'm fixing to buy a diesel tractor for the ranch. Probably new. Probably
Kubota.

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Re: [MBZ] I am actually considering this

2014-08-21 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Must have ASR?

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC
 On Aug 21, 2014 8:42 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Has traction control which is rare in a 126, too bad it's not a 560 though.

 1991 MERCEDES 420 SEL LOW MILES CLEAN!
 http://austin.craigslist.org/cto/4607012015.html

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Re: [MBZ] I am actually considering this

2014-08-21 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Yep

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 On Aug 21, 2014, at 9:12 PM, Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Must have ASR?
 
 Max Dillon,
 Charleston SC
 On Aug 21, 2014 8:42 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 Has traction control which is rare in a 126, too bad it's not a 560 though.
 
 1991 MERCEDES 420 SEL LOW MILES CLEAN!
 http://austin.craigslist.org/cto/4607012015.html
 
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 iOS: http://bit.ly/CL_iOS
 Android: http://bit.ly/CL_android
 
 
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