Re: [MBZ] An article that is truthful about electric vehicles

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Craig wrote:
> 
> There were places east of Colorado Springs that didn't get
> electricity until after WW2.

Aren't there places east of Colorado Springs that _still_ don't
have electricity?

That part of Colorado is _sparsely_ populated.

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Re: [MBZ] An article that is truthful about electric vehicles

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

The west is much better pickings for Coleman lamps and lanterns mostly due to 
the later arrival of rural electrification.

Curt

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Cleaning guns

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Excellent! Ed's Red is what I'll make.
Thanks to all - - -

On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 6:16 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 14:54:09 -0800 Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > Ed's Red is a reliable, tried-and-true homebrew bore cleaner.  It is
> > comprised of kerosene, ATF, and acetone.
> >
> > http://handloads.com/articles/default.asp?id=9
> >
> > I bet you could sub diesel fuel for the kerosene.  I would think that
> > B-100 or an approximation might work even better.  It is a superior
> > solvent IME.
>
> An updated version is at
> https://home.comcast.net/~dsmjd/tux/dsmjd/tech/eds_red.htm, though I
> haven't compared them.
>
> Craig
> --
>

OK Don

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Re: [MBZ] An article that is truthful about electric vehicles

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 03:05:07 -0600 fmiser via Mercedes
 wrote:

> > Craig wrote:
> > 
> > There were places east of Colorado Springs that didn't get
> > electricity until after WW2.
> 
> Aren't there places east of Colorado Springs that _still_ don't
> have electricity?

If you mean, "roads down which no electric lines run," that's true.

I would guess that all the homes have commercial electricity -- the folks
who bought our place ran electric lines to it. That prompted several
others to build out there (which is why we didn't have electric lines
run).


> That part of Colorado is _sparsely_ populated.

Yes, indeed.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] An article that is truthful about electric vehicles

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Post WW2 there was the REA .. Rural Electrification Act which built power
lines to rural locations.  Prior to that.. you were "on your own" at a farm.

I don't know the exact date of the passage of REA, but it took years to
build out the lines.


On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 9:54 AM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 03:05:07 -0600 fmiser via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > > Craig wrote:
> > >
> > > There were places east of Colorado Springs that didn't get
> > > electricity until after WW2.
> >
> > Aren't there places east of Colorado Springs that _still_ don't
> > have electricity?
>
> If you mean, "roads down which no electric lines run," that's true.
>
> I would guess that all the homes have commercial electricity -- the folks
> who bought our place ran electric lines to it. That prompted several
> others to build out there (which is why we didn't have electric lines
> run).
>
>
> > That part of Colorado is _sparsely_ populated.
>
> Yes, indeed.
>
>
> Craig
>
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Re: [MBZ] An article that is truthful about electric vehicles

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

They would run a wahr and put a laht bub on your front porch

--R


On 12/30/14 12:23 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Post WW2 there was the REA .. Rural Electrification Act which built power
lines to rural locations.  Prior to that.. you were "on your own" at a farm.

I don't know the exact date of the passage of REA, but it took years to
build out the lines.



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Re: [MBZ] An article that is truthful about electric vehicles

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 10:23:20 -0700 G Mann  wrote:

> Post WW2 there was the REA .. Rural Electrification Act which built
> power lines to rural locations.  Prior to that.. you were "on your own"
> at a farm.
> 
> I don't know the exact date of the passage of REA, but it took years to
> build out the lines.
> 

www.rurdev.usda.gov/rd/70th/rea-history.pdf

The Rural Electrification Administration (REA) is a credit agency of the
U.S. Department of Agriculture which assists rural electric and telephone
organizations in obtaining the financing required to provide electric and
telephone service in rural areas. These essential services help improve
the quality of life for people who live, work, or do business throughout
rural America. Financial assistance may include (a) loans from REA, ( b )
guarantees of loans made by others, and (c) REA approval of security
arrangements which permit the borrower to obtain financing from other
lenders without a guarantee.

REA was first established by Executive Order 7037 on May 11, 1935, as
part of a general program of unemployment relief. It soon became clear,
however, that the task of extending central station electric service to
rural areas required very specialized skills (engineering, management,
etc.) that would be difficult to attract if REA operated under the
constraints of the unemployment relief authorization. REA was given its
own statutory authorization by the Rural Electrification Act of May 20,
1936. It became part of the U.S. Department of Agriculture on July 1,
1939.



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Re: [MBZ] An article that is truthful about electric vehicles

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 11:40:45 -0700 Craig via Mercedes
 wrote:

> On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 10:23:20 -0700 G Mann  wrote:
> 
> > Post WW2 there was the REA .. Rural Electrification Act which built
> > power lines to rural locations.  Prior to that.. you were "on your
> > own" at a farm.
> > 
> > I don't know the exact date of the passage of REA, but it took years
> > to build out the lines.
> > 
> 
> www.rurdev.usda.gov/rd/70th/rea-history.pdf

Also see
http://www.windcharger.org/Wind_Charger/Rural_Electrification.html


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] An article that is truthful about electric vehicles

[WILTON via Mercedes]

In Eastern NC, my family moved into house with 'lectric lights (a bulb 
hanging from center of ceiling in each room) in Jan '46; no receptacles. 
'Lectric (or 'lectwisty) bill was 'bout $1.25/mo.  Later that year, I helped 
electrician install a receptacle for radio in living room;  'Nother 
receptacle in dining room for refrigerator in '48.  First AC I had was a 
window unit in Rancho Cordova, CA, in '62; bought house with central heat 
and AC in Warner Robins, GA, in Oct '62.


We used kerosene lamps until 'Jan '46; Aladdin lamp in living room; small, 
all-glass lamp moved from room-to-room as needed in rest of house.


Wilton

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On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 10:23:20 -0700 G Mann  wrote:


Post WW2 there was the REA .. Rural Electrification Act which built
power lines to rural locations.  Prior to that.. you were "on your own"
at a farm.

I don't know the exact date of the passage of REA, but it took years to
build out the lines.



www.rurdev.usda.gov/rd/70th/rea-history.pdf

The Rural Electrification Administration (REA) is a credit agency of the
U.S. Department of Agriculture which assists rural electric and telephone
organizations in obtaining the financing required to provide electric and
telephone service in rural areas. These essential services help improve
the quality of life for people who live, work, or do business throughout
rural America. Financial assistance may include (a) loans from REA, ( b )
guarantees of loans made by others, and (c) REA approval of security
arrangements which permit the borrower to obtain financing from other
lenders without a guarantee.

REA was first established by Executive Order 7037 on May 11, 1935, as
part of a general program of unemployment relief. It soon became clear,
however, that the task of extending central station electric service to
rural areas required very specialized skills (engineering, management,
etc.) that would be difficult to attract if REA operated under the
constraints of the unemployment relief authorization. REA was given its
own statutory authorization by the Rural Electrification Act of May 20,
1936. It became part of the U.S. Department of Agriculture on July 1,
1939.



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Re: [MBZ] Grant's New Motorhome

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 29/12/2014 9:22 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

BTW, did I mention the fuel tanks on board hold 245 gallons?

This is one of those little "man toys" that if you flinch, cringe, or shake
when you pull up to the pumps or the parts house, you shouldn't own one..
sort of like big boats...

"Economy cruise" will yield something on the scale of 5.5 to 7 MPG. But..
curb weight is 44,972 lbs.. so it takes energy to move things.

On the other hand.. in the "My Mercedes is bigger than your Mercedes"
game... I hardly have to lift an eyebrow.. ha.

All in good fun.. I enjoy a challenge, and taking on a rolling penthouse
project certainly fills that need.

Grant...



In more ways than one.
A friend has a 40 foot diesel pusher motorhome.
They were 50 miles or more away from any sort of heavy tire dealer on a 
weekend when they had a tire go bad.
This thing does not have a jack or a spare and  they got on the cell 
phone and found someone willing to come out and take care of it.
I think he said they paid close to a thousand dollars to have a fellow 
come out and install a used tire.
They have subsequently put all new tires on it in the hope of avoiding 
such an issue happening again.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] Grant's New Motorhome

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Lesson learned!

On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On 29/12/2014 9:22 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> BTW, did I mention the fuel tanks on board hold 245 gallons?
>>
>> This is one of those little "man toys" that if you flinch, cringe, or
>> shake
>> when you pull up to the pumps or the parts house, you shouldn't own one..
>> sort of like big boats...
>>
>> "Economy cruise" will yield something on the scale of 5.5 to 7 MPG. But..
>> curb weight is 44,972 lbs.. so it takes energy to move things.
>>
>> On the other hand.. in the "My Mercedes is bigger than your Mercedes"
>> game... I hardly have to lift an eyebrow.. ha.
>>
>> All in good fun.. I enjoy a challenge, and taking on a rolling penthouse
>> project certainly fills that need.
>>
>> Grant...
>>
>>
>>  In more ways than one.
> A friend has a 40 foot diesel pusher motorhome.
> They were 50 miles or more away from any sort of heavy tire dealer on a
> weekend when they had a tire go bad.
> This thing does not have a jack or a spare and  they got on the cell phone
> and found someone willing to come out and take care of it.
> I think he said they paid close to a thousand dollars to have a fellow
> come out and install a used tire.
> They have subsequently put all new tires on it in the hope of avoiding
> such an issue happening again.
>
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] An article that is truthful about electric vehicles

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

You stayed up past dark?

--R


On 12/30/14 2:22 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:


We used kerosene lamps until 'Jan '46; Aladdin lamp in living room; 
small, all-glass lamp moved from room-to-room as needed in rest of house.


Wilton 



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Re: [MBZ] Grant's New Motorhome

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

<>

 

Anyone who has a large RV needs to have good roadside emergency insurance.
I have only used mine twice in nearly 20 years of RVing, but I would have
been up the proverbial creek without it.  Once was when I lost my brakes in
Kicking Horse Pass up in Canada.  Don't ask!

 

Greg

 

 

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Re: [MBZ] An article that is truthful about electric vehicles

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Yes, but not for long.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
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To: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] An article that is truthful about electric vehicles



You stayed up past dark?

--R


On 12/30/14 2:22 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:


We used kerosene lamps until 'Jan '46; Aladdin lamp in living room; 
small, all-glass lamp moved from room-to-room as needed in rest of house.


Wilton



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Re: [MBZ] An article that is truthful about electric vehicles

[WILTON via Mercedes]

BTW, 'did my school homework by light of the Aladdin lamp.

Wilton

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Discussion List" 

Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] An article that is truthful about electric vehicles



Yes, but not for long.

Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] An article that is truthful about electric vehicles



You stayed up past dark?

--R


On 12/30/14 2:22 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:


We used kerosene lamps until 'Jan '46; Aladdin lamp in living room; 
small, all-glass lamp moved from room-to-room as needed in rest of 
house.


Wilton



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Re: [MBZ] Grant's New Motorhome

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

I got to talking to this guy at a corporate event in Dismal World who 
had a big bus like the music people ride around in.  He was out in the 
parking lot changing the rear wheel bearings.  He said he did almost all 
the maintenance on the bus as he had a fair amount of sitting-around 
time, plus it saved him tons of money and hassle.  He had a whole set of 
tools, jacks, jackstands and whatnot in the storage bins under.


--R


On 12/30/14 3:35 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes wrote:

A friend has a 40 foot diesel pusher motorhome.

They were 50 miles or more away from any sort of heavy tire dealer on a
weekend when they had a tire go bad.

This thing does not have a jack or a spare



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Re: [MBZ] An article that is truthful about electric vehicles

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

After walking home uphill in 2ft of snow

--R


On 12/30/14 4:06 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:

BTW, 'did my school homework by light of the Aladdin lamp.

Wilton

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Discussion List" 

Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] An article that is truthful about electric vehicles



Yes, but not for long.

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas via Mercedes" 


To: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] An article that is truthful about electric vehicles



You stayed up past dark?

--R



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Coffee Bodum Vacuum

[clay via Mercedes]

My folks have been using this on special occasions for the past 30 years.  
Since it gets used so infrequently, we at times forget to shut the heat off and 
have watched the thing perk away for a half hour waiting for the coffee to 
flush back down.

Best damn cup of joe by a mile

clay

On Dec 28, 2014, at 12:27 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynJv0MNJACc
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Coffee Bodum Vacuum

[clay via Mercedes]

I do press at home, for the quick and dirty pot of joe.  It tastes fine, toss 
boiling water over grounds and let it soak, then plunge.   The coffee then 
rests on the grounds until you drain it.

Vacuum pot slowly infuses the grounds with heated water then sucks the coffee 
into the pot, no resting on the grounds getting bitter, no crud in the cup

clay




On Dec 28, 2014, at 6:17 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote:

> Greg wrote:
>> ...I have had French press coffee many times; but it did not strike me as 
>> being
>> as flavorful as coffee from the vacuum device.
> 
> Yes, I agree.
> Yama is the one I have been using for 10 years and I agree that it is
> a good cuppa.  Why? - I dunno.  I think it is full immersion rather
> than pour over.  Yes, the french press is also full immersion but it
> is not sucked like the vacuum maker.  I just like the chemistry set
> type of process making coffee.  Fiddly - for sure.  I have blown up
> plenty of bottom pots using *too* fine grind, so I try to err on the
> side of coarse to keep the wallet in good order.  Enjoy!!
> mao
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Re: [MBZ] Grant's New Motorhome

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Sounds like a story my uncle tells. They had a motorhome and had gone to 
Florida to Disney World from Canada. About the time they got there the 
oil pressure light came on. He checked it out and discovered the feed to 
the oil pressure gauge had cracked and was spraying oil. He poured in 
some more oil and stopped at a FLAPS for a new gauge etc and then while 
my aunt and cousins went into the park, he stayed in the parking lot and 
repaired the motorhome and then had a shower and a cold beer. He did not 
really care much about the park.


I have a similar story of my own but not for a motorhome.
My 86 Taurus kept make growling noises but I could not see anything 
wrong with it. This went on for months and I assumed sooner or later it 
would become obvious.
We went to Grand Forks ND, about 140 miles away for the weekend. Went to 
Grand Forks on Friday and then another 70 miles south to Fargo on 
Saturday and came back to Grand Forks Saturday afternoon.
It was October but a nice day and on the way back, I turned on the AC. 
There was a distinct growl from under the hood but then all was well.
We got back to the motel in GF and later went out for dinner. That is 
when it became more obvious. The water pump was leaking and we were 
getting a fog out the back as we drove to dinner.
This is back before Sunday shopping was common in ND so there was not 
much we could do about it.
We started it up Sunday morning and drove a little bit out of town but 
it was pretty obvious that we had better not head for home. We rented a 
car and spent the day just looking around GF as not much was open.
Monday morning I had a choice of either taking it to a local shop or 
doing it myself. I figured it would take about as long if I did it or 
waited for them to do so. I had no tools with but also thought I might 
as well buy tools as pay labour. We went to a FLAPS and got a water pump 
and some tools and I changed the pump in the parking lot at the motel. 
We were next door to the mall with a WalMart so my wife went back and 
forth to buy the things I had not thought of earlier - hand cleaner, 
paper towel, a screwdriver, etc. Got the pump on and returned the rental 
car by noon and headed for home. That was sort of a gold plated water 
pump as it cost us an extra day in the motel plus meals and a rental car 
as well as the cost of the parts and the tools and my wife and I each a 
day's pay. However, I still have the tools I bought that day and was 
quite proud of myself for doing it quickly in less than great 
circumstances. I had not done one on such a vehicle with the transverse 
V6 but the only real difference between it and more conventional 
vehicles that I had worked on in the past was the serpentine belt setup 
and the minimal space to work on it.


RB

On 30/12/2014 3:38 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote:
I got to talking to this guy at a corporate event in Dismal World who 
had a big bus like the music people ride around in.  He was out in the 
parking lot changing the rear wheel bearings.  He said he did almost 
all the maintenance on the bus as he had a fair amount of 
sitting-around time, plus it saved him tons of money and hassle.  He 
had a whole set of tools, jacks, jackstands and whatnot in the storage 
bins under.


--R


On 12/30/14 3:35 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes wrote:

A friend has a 40 foot diesel pusher motorhome.

They were 50 miles or more away from any sort of heavy tire dealer on a
weekend when they had a tire go bad.

This thing does not have a jack or a spare



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Re: [MBZ] Grant's New Motorhome

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Since this is my 4th bus, conversion to motor home, I'm well armed with
things like a pair of 20 ton jacks, 1 inch impact wrench, air compressor
driven by the on board generator [belt drive to the compressor, not
electrical] and pretty much a full compliment of spares and tools.

This bus uses 12R x 22.5 , 16 ply tires, which are not "common" . Average
list price per tire is above $500, and you can expect to have to ship it
in, not be "in stock".  Most OTR trucks use 11R x 22.5, 12 or 14 ply. One
could be used as a "limp to somewhere to get a 12R fitted...  It does
however, carry a spare, mounted to rim.

Worst case roadside disaster for this machine would require a special low
boy flatbed Landoll trailer.. Air ride suspension will not permit hook and
tow for prolonged distance, only enough to remove it from the scene of
active traffic. Towing insurance, Platinum Card variety, is an absolute
requirement. Sort of on the same scale as carrying survival raft on a big
boat.

I think I may be about 4 working days from doing first start on the $16,000
new engine [parts cost for the rebuild that came in the paperwork when I
bought the bus] ... I would like that to go well...

If there is a sacrifice that is made to some machinery god before such
events, please advise.. there does however seem to be a shortage of
requisite virgins however.. ;))



On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I got to talking to this guy at a corporate event in Dismal World who had
> a big bus like the music people ride around in.  He was out in the parking
> lot changing the rear wheel bearings.  He said he did almost all the
> maintenance on the bus as he had a fair amount of sitting-around time, plus
> it saved him tons of money and hassle.  He had a whole set of tools, jacks,
> jackstands and whatnot in the storage bins under.
>
> --R
>
>
> On 12/30/14 3:35 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> A friend has a 40 foot diesel pusher motorhome.
>>
>> They were 50 miles or more away from any sort of heavy tire dealer on a
>> weekend when they had a tire go bad.
>>
>> This thing does not have a jack or a spare
>>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Coffee Bodum Vacuum

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:

> Two words:  Coffee press.  Also known as a French press.

I prefer Aeropress. It's a press, but with a paper filter.

Allan


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Re: [MBZ] Grant's New Motorhome

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 30/12/2014 4:58 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Since this is my 4th bus, conversion to motor home, I'm well armed with
things like a pair of 20 ton jacks, 1 inch impact wrench, air compressor
driven by the on board generator [belt drive to the compressor, not
electrical] and pretty much a full compliment of spares and tools.

This bus uses 12R x 22.5 , 16 ply tires, which are not "common" . Average
list price per tire is above $500, and you can expect to have to ship it
in, not be "in stock".  Most OTR trucks use 11R x 22.5, 12 or 14 ply. One
could be used as a "limp to somewhere to get a 12R fitted...  It does
however, carry a spare, mounted to rim.

Worst case roadside disaster for this machine would require a special low
boy flatbed Landoll trailer.. Air ride suspension will not permit hook and
tow for prolonged distance, only enough to remove it from the scene of
active traffic. Towing insurance, Platinum Card variety, is an absolute
requirement. Sort of on the same scale as carrying survival raft on a big
boat.

I think I may be about 4 working days from doing first start on the $16,000
new engine [parts cost for the rebuild that came in the paperwork when I
bought the bus] ... I would like that to go well...

If there is a sacrifice that is made to some machinery god before such
events, please advise.. there does however seem to be a shortage of
requisite virgins however.. ;))




Is this not sort of like pouring some rum into the sea to appease the 
gods of the sea?
Just pour an ounce or so of diesel onto the road and try to look pious 
while you do it.


(maybe look for a Prius and pour the diesel on it's hood?)

RB

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Coffee Bodum Vacuum

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

T'aint real coffee if'n you ain't gotta strain it through yer teeth...
:)

-Curt

  From: Allan Streib via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes List  
 Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 6:06 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Coffee Bodum Vacuum
   
Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:

> Two words:  Coffee press.  Also known as a French press.

I prefer Aeropress. It's a press, but with a paper filter.

Allan




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Re: [MBZ] Grant's New Motorhome

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Randy wrote:
> 
> I have a similar story of my own but not for a motorhome.
> My 86 Taurus kept make growling noises but I could not see
> anything wrong with it.

> I had no tools with...

For shame!

> ... to buy the things I had not thought of earlier - hand
> cleaner, paper towel, a screwdriver, etc.

Wow.  You really were caught!

I have tools and those sorts of supplies even if I'm just hauling
wood half a mile [1 km] from the field.

> Got the pump on and returned the rental car by noon and headed
> for home.

Well, good for you!!!  I'll leave Wilton to give you the official
"Attaboy".

Do you travel with a few more tools and supplies now?

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[MBZ] OT: *sigh* what a day

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I'll cut out all the angst and explanation. Today I managed to:
1. Fix many leaks in a snowmobile exhaust, some of my best welding.
2. Lock up a snowmobile engine - different machine than the exhaust I was 
working on but one of my favorites
3. Kill my compressor - Twas only a Harbor Freight cheapie 2 gallon 1HP but I'd 
had it for awhile and liked it. I ran it low on oil and then worked it hard and 
the connecting rod bearing seized. Since I had nothing to lose I pulled it 
apart and broke the cooling fan. The bearing in question sits quite high and 
must get lubricate by magic, I'm not sure I understand how the oil gets up 
there, maybe blowby splashes oil up? With the top end removed I was able to get 
the bearing free but doubtless its not a happy piece of equipment.
Looking at the HF website I think I'll get this: 
http://www.harborfreight.com/21-gal-25-hp-125-psi-cast-iron-vertical-air-compressor-61454.html
 21 gal, 2.5HP which is the one I probably should have gotten in the first 
place...
-Curt
 
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Re: [MBZ] Grant's New Motorhome

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Pics!

--R


On 12/30/14 5:58 PM, G Mann wrote:
I think I may be about 4 working days from doing first start on the 
$16,000 new engine [parts cost for the rebuild that came in the 
paperwork when I bought the bus] ... I would like that to go well... 



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Coffee Bodum Vacuum

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Allan wrote:
> I prefer Aeropress. It's a press, but with a paper filter.

Aeropress - made by the guy who made frisbee.
They have world championship aeropress tournaments.
I like aeropress - you can rinse the paper filter and use more than
once.  It makes a good cuppa joe.
I make it upside down, then turn over in to my mug and press.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Coffee Bodum Vacuum

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Curt wrote:
> T'aint real coffee if'n you ain't gotta strain it through yer teeth...
> :)

That ain't funny, and it is the way I learned coffee on Long Island in
high school.  Curt you may even know the guy - Pierson Curtis.  He was
instructor but spent time in ME.  Saturday nite was PC cookout where
PC oversaw us make cafe au lait in one pot over the fire.  He also had
a device he made himself that baked cornbread in front of a camp fire
- great eating outside, memorable coffee with real coffee, fried rice.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] An article that is truthful about electric vehicles

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Well, the snow was only a few inches, and the Aladdin lamp was significantly 
better than Abe's candle, I'm sure.

Coupla small hills.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Rich Thomas via Mercedes" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 4:44 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] An article that is truthful about electric vehicles



After walking home uphill in 2ft of snow

--R


On 12/30/14 4:06 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:

BTW, 'did my school homework by light of the Aladdin lamp.

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "WILTON via Mercedes" 

To: "Rich Thomas" ; "Mercedes 
Discussion List" 

Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] An article that is truthful about electric vehicles



Yes, but not for long.

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas via Mercedes" 


To: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] An article that is truthful about electric vehicles



You stayed up past dark?

--R



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Re: [MBZ] Grant's New Motorhome

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Yep; ATTABOY!

Wilton

- Original Message - 
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Discussion List" 

Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Grant's New Motorhome


Sounds like a story my uncle tells. They had a motorhome and had gone to 
Florida to Disney World from Canada. About the time they got there the oil 
pressure light came on. He checked it out and discovered the feed to the 
oil pressure gauge had cracked and was spraying oil. He poured in some 
more oil and stopped at a FLAPS for a new gauge etc and then while my aunt 
and cousins went into the park, he stayed in the parking lot and repaired 
the motorhome and then had a shower and a cold beer. He did not really 
care much about the park.


I have a similar story of my own but not for a motorhome.
My 86 Taurus kept make growling noises but I could not see anything wrong 
with it. This went on for months and I assumed sooner or later it would 
become obvious.
We went to Grand Forks ND, about 140 miles away for the weekend. Went to 
Grand Forks on Friday and then another 70 miles south to Fargo on Saturday 
and came back to Grand Forks Saturday afternoon.
It was October but a nice day and on the way back, I turned on the AC. 
There was a distinct growl from under the hood but then all was well.
We got back to the motel in GF and later went out for dinner. That is when 
it became more obvious. The water pump was leaking and we were getting a 
fog out the back as we drove to dinner.
This is back before Sunday shopping was common in ND so there was not much 
we could do about it.
We started it up Sunday morning and drove a little bit out of town but it 
was pretty obvious that we had better not head for home. We rented a car 
and spent the day just looking around GF as not much was open.
Monday morning I had a choice of either taking it to a local shop or doing 
it myself. I figured it would take about as long if I did it or waited for 
them to do so. I had no tools with but also thought I might as well buy 
tools as pay labour. We went to a FLAPS and got a water pump and some 
tools and I changed the pump in the parking lot at the motel. We were next 
door to the mall with a WalMart so my wife went back and forth to buy the 
things I had not thought of earlier - hand cleaner, paper towel, a 
screwdriver, etc. Got the pump on and returned the rental car by noon and 
headed for home. That was sort of a gold plated water pump as it cost us 
an extra day in the motel plus meals and a rental car as well as the cost 
of the parts and the tools and my wife and I each a day's pay. However, I 
still have the tools I bought that day and was quite proud of myself for 
doing it quickly in less than great circumstances. I had not done one on 
such a vehicle with the transverse V6 but the only real difference between 
it and more conventional vehicles that I had worked on in the past was the 
serpentine belt setup and the minimal space to work on it.


RB

On 30/12/2014 3:38 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote:
I got to talking to this guy at a corporate event in Dismal World who had 
a big bus like the music people ride around in.  He was out in the 
parking lot changing the rear wheel bearings.  He said he did almost all 
the maintenance on the bus as he had a fair amount of sitting-around 
time, plus it saved him tons of money and hassle.  He had a whole set of 
tools, jacks, jackstands and whatnot in the storage bins under.


--R


On 12/30/14 3:35 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes wrote:

A friend has a 40 foot diesel pusher motorhome.

They were 50 miles or more away from any sort of heavy tire dealer on a
weekend when they had a tire go bad.

This thing does not have a jack or a spare



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[MBZ] Clutch master cylinder

[fmiser via Mercedes]

Four years ago I refreshed the clutch master cylinder pulled from
one of the parts cars to put in a 240 that I drive.  I could not
find any new rubber parts, so is wasn't really a rebuild - just a
bore hone and cleanup.  But it lasted four years.

And then it failed.  

And I really miss Q!

For those with a long memory, Curt had issues with his clutch not
long after I refreshed mine.  We compared notes.  Best I can tell,
the early cars have a long rod and the newer cars a short rod.  The
different in length is 5 mm.

I can't find an EPC that works for me, but via other methods, I
_think_ newer than chassis number 091119 needs the short rod -
probably part number 000-295-08-33.  The master cylinder part number
is 001-295-44-06.  What I suspect now, but couldn't prove before is
that the master cylinder always comes with the long rod and a short
rod has to be purchased if it is needed for a newer car.
Probably.  I think.

So I finally decide to purchase from MercedesSource, since they
ship with both rods.  What the website doesn't say is the
manufacturer.

Well, the one I got from them does have both rods.  In a TRW box.
With "Lucas" cast into the body of the master cylinder.  Uh oh.

It's very obvious my car needs the short rod. But a little closer
look suggests maybe even the short rod is too long...

Well, I install the master cylinder, making sure the adjuster
eccentric is at it's longest setting. The way to bleed the system,
and to set the eccentric, is to pressure bleed from the slave
cylinder.  I can't - because the piston is too far down in the
master cylinder and is blocking the supply port.  That is, the rod
is too long.  The _short_ rod is too long.

*sigh*

So much for TRW.

Another way to tell the rod is too long is in mounting.  If there
is fluid in the master cylinder, the rod (and piston) will move a
millimeter or two before the supply port is covered. At this point,
it becomes _very_ hard to press because any pressure is trying to
compress the clutch spring.

But the car is "down", and it will be at least _days_ before I can
get something else.

So I choose to shorten the rod.  Careful measurements on the bench
between the new TRW and the old FAG shows the TRW to be 3 mm to
long.  But it's not the rod.  The rod is exactly the same length as
the old FAG - it's the position of the piston top that is too far
from the mounting bolt ears.

There is a ball form on the end of the rod.  I choose to try to
keep the radius of the contact with the piston about the same.  I
grind, file, sand, and polish the rod making it about 2 mm
shorted.  Nope - not enough.  I remove another 1 mm.  Now it
works.  A total of about 3 mm ground of the end of the rod to make
the TRW part work in my car.

The car is working properly - but I'm sure not happy with
MercedesSource for not listing the manufacturer and for choosing
TRW, which seems to be junk.

I sure miss the knowledge, support, and service Q provided.

--  Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Aladdin. Was: An article that is truthful about electric vehicles

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> WILTON wrote:
> 
> ... and the Aladdin lamp was significantly better than Abe's
> candle, I'm sure.

I sure like my Aladdin lamps!  Not as bright a pressure lantern
like the Coleman but the light is nice, not font to pressurize, and
it burns kerosine.

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Re: [MBZ] Clutch master cylinder

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Interesting. I gave Dimitri the replacement slave cylinder I'd bought. I always 
kind of thought that putting the slave to match the master might fix the 
problem.Your car had more severe issues than mine, on mine it was just that 
engagement was very high, I had no problem bleeding the clutch or with 
operation just that it had a funny feel.
-Curt

  From: fmiser via Mercedes 
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 Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 7:38 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] Clutch master cylinder
   
Four years ago I refreshed the clutch master cylinder pulled from
one of the parts cars to put in a 240 that I drive.  I could not
find any new rubber parts, so is wasn't really a rebuild - just a
bore hone and cleanup.  But it lasted four years.

And then it failed.  

And I really miss Q!

For those with a long memory, Curt had issues with his clutch not
long after I refreshed mine.  We compared notes.  Best I can tell,
the early cars have a long rod and the newer cars a short rod.  The
different in length is 5 mm.

I can't find an EPC that works for me, but via other methods, I
_think_ newer than chassis number 091119 needs the short rod -
probably part number 000-295-08-33.  The master cylinder part number
is 001-295-44-06.  What I suspect now, but couldn't prove before is
that the master cylinder always comes with the long rod and a short
rod has to be purchased if it is needed for a newer car.
Probably.  I think.

So I finally decide to purchase from MercedesSource, since they
ship with both rods.  What the website doesn't say is the
manufacturer.

Well, the one I got from them does have both rods.  In a TRW box.
With "Lucas" cast into the body of the master cylinder.  Uh oh.

It's very obvious my car needs the short rod. But a little closer
look suggests maybe even the short rod is too long...

Well, I install the master cylinder, making sure the adjuster
eccentric is at it's longest setting. The way to bleed the system,
and to set the eccentric, is to pressure bleed from the slave
cylinder.  I can't - because the piston is too far down in the
master cylinder and is blocking the supply port.  That is, the rod
is too long.  The _short_ rod is too long.

*sigh*

So much for TRW.

Another way to tell the rod is too long is in mounting.  If there
is fluid in the master cylinder, the rod (and piston) will move a
millimeter or two before the supply port is covered. At this point,
it becomes _very_ hard to press because any pressure is trying to
compress the clutch spring.

But the car is "down", and it will be at least _days_ before I can
get something else.

So I choose to shorten the rod.  Careful measurements on the bench
between the new TRW and the old FAG shows the TRW to be 3 mm to
long.  But it's not the rod.  The rod is exactly the same length as
the old FAG - it's the position of the piston top that is too far
from the mounting bolt ears.

There is a ball form on the end of the rod.  I choose to try to
keep the radius of the contact with the piston about the same.  I
grind, file, sand, and polish the rod making it about 2 mm
shorted.  Nope - not enough.  I remove another 1 mm.  Now it
works.  A total of about 3 mm ground of the end of the rod to make
the TRW part work in my car.

The car is working properly - but I'm sure not happy with
MercedesSource for not listing the manufacturer and for choosing
TRW, which seems to be junk.

I sure miss the knowledge, support, and service Q provided.

--  Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Aladdin. Was: An article that is truthful about electric vehicles

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

There are kerosene Coleman lanterns too. Lately I'm into Tilly though. Weird 
little lanterns.
I've got an Aladdin that Fred gave me, nice and quiet and frugal on fuel. At 
camp we've got a hot blast lantern and a dead flame wick lamp. I want to get a 
cold blast lantern as I've read that they put out a white light. The hot blast 
light is decidedly yellow but the lantern is very frugal on fuel, one pint is 
good for ~30 hours. We use it as a night light outside during deer camp to make 
answering the call of nature easier.
-Curt

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> WILTON wrote:
> 
> ... and the Aladdin lamp was significantly better than Abe's
> candle, I'm sure.

I sure like my Aladdin lamps!  Not as bright a pressure lantern
like the Coleman but the light is nice, not font to pressurize, and
it burns kerosine.



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Coffee Bodum Vacuum

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Mountain Man  writes:

> I make it upside down, then turn over in to my mug and press.

Interesting. Never thought of doing it that way.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Clutch master cylinder

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

-- Philip wrote:
> I sure miss the knowledge, support, and service Q provided.
>

Q could not supply my master.  For that, I had to go to Classic
Center.  For whatever reason, they were able to get the correct one.
That was the least cost option for me at the time.  My son and I spent
4 hours at the shop he worked at and ended with nothing which resulted
in his telling me that if the proper part were not purchased, I would
be doing the job myself, so... Classic Center it was.  The cylinder Q
supplied twice was returned.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Coffee Bodum Vacuum

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Allan wrote:
> Interesting. Never thought of doing it that way.

See it at youtube.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Clutch master cylinder

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

‎Probably the best options for parts would be,

1. Local dealer you are on a first name, chat over coffee, basis with. 
(discount$)

2. Gary at buyeuroparts dot com.
Like him, dislike him, argue with/about him, Jabba knows parts. Period. Q 
recommended him, even after all the dirty laundry BS. Personalities aside, 
business is business. 

3. The Mercedes Classic Center. I have heard that Tom Hanson (sp) knows his 
stuff. 

Rick 
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[MBZ] Jon Agne You Need This

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

No idea why this popped up on a Chicago CL posting. Perhaps it is a scam. If 
not, it's a deal...‎

http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/cto/4826091933.html

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Re: [MBZ] Jon Agne You Need This

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Jon you could work magic on this. Could win best in chowdah.
Dwight
On Dec 30, 2014 9:48 PM, "Rick Knoble via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> No idea why this popped up on a Chicago CL posting. Perhaps it is a scam.
> If not, it's a deal...‎
>
> http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/cto/4826091933.html
>
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] An article that is truthful about electric vehicles

[G Mann via Mercedes]

I stand corrected.. having now taken the effort to actually look up the law
and it's implementation.

http://www.enotes.com/homework-help/what-rural-electrification-act-1936-what-did-466311

This should give you the highlights of who, what, where, and when.
Although passed in 1936, it was 20 years or more in actual application. I
believe the federal agency created still exists today, somewhere... doing
something.. I found where congress funded something related to REA recently
in my search..

Have fun.. Purty soon we'all gunna have one of them inside toilets wit a
laate bub so you ken see at naight. But benisas this hear is a gubment
program thya like as not have sum gobment agent ta watch ya do yer bidness.

Ya'll take care now ya hear, say howdy ta yer missus fer me,

Grant...

On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> They would run a wahr and put a laht bub on your front porch
>
> --R
>
>
> On 12/30/14 12:23 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Post WW2 there was the REA .. Rural Electrification Act which built power
>> lines to rural locations.  Prior to that.. you were "on your own" at a
>> farm.
>>
>> I don't know the exact date of the passage of REA, but it took years to
>> build out the lines.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Jon Agne You Need This

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Which reminds me, Jon, how did the paint job come out?Does the 250 get to live 
in the garage for the winter?
-Curt
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 Subject: [MBZ] Jon Agne You Need This
   
No idea why this popped up on a Chicago CL posting. Perhaps it is a scam. If 
not, it's a deal...‎

http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/cto/4826091933.html

Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] An article that is truthful about electric vehicles

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

G: You might say it was becoming "common" beginning in the late 
1920s. Parents had a frig and Maytag wringer washer before I was 
born in 1929, as did aunts family; both of which were blue collar 
working class and not "rich".


I remember replacing the belt on my sisters ammonia frig in the 
early 1940s, but our apartment in Tampa still had an icebox in 1946 
after WW-2. Nationwide, such "progress" has always been spotty it 
seems.


The only place people could enjoy air conditioning before window 
units became available in the early 1950s was downtown stores and 
movie theatres; especially in the South. People would often go the 
the movies just to get away from the 24/7 heat and humidity of Tampa 
in the summer.


At the National Museum of Naval Aviation, the WWII homefront display 
shows a home with a kitchen cupboard with flour bin/sifter, a glass 
butter churn, a hand meat grinder, and a refrigerator with a globe 
condensor on top.  So, according to that museum, refrigerators were 
common before /during WWII.  YMMV, and certainly on farms without 
electricity, there was no Refer.


My grandmother had a refrigerator with the cylindrical condensor on 
top until the 60s when we moved it to the boathouse.  My other 
grandparents had a Delco light plant in the 20s until rural electric 
came through.  It was still there until about 1970 when my dad sold 
it.


If LT Don is lurking, the museum now has an enlarged USCG display.

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Re: [MBZ] Clutch master cylinder

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Rick wrote:
> 
> ‎Probably the best options for parts would be,
> 
> 1. Local dealer you are on a first name, chat over coffee, basis
> with. (discount$)

Nope.  The closest dealer is over 100 miles away.

> 2. Gary at buyeuroparts dot com.

> Personalities aside, business is business. 

No way.  There comes a point where I choose to take my business to
a vendor who doesn't abuse me.

> 3. The Mercedes Classic Center. I have heard that Tom Hanson (sp)
> knows his stuff. 

That's a possibility.  I have not yet done any business with them.

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Re: [MBZ] An article that is truthful about electric vehicles

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>
>  and certainly on farms without electricity, there was no Refer.
>
> My grandmother had a refrigerator with the cylindrical condensor on top
> until the 60s when we moved it to the boathouse.  My other grandparents had
> a Delco light plant in the 20s until rural electric came through.  It was
> still there until about 1970 when my dad sold it.
>
> If LT Don is lurking, the museum now has an enlarged USCG display.
>

Not so - I remember seeing, and find that they are still available, Servel
gas/propane refrigerators:
https://www.gas-refrigerators.com/


-- 
OK Don

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Re: [MBZ] An article that is truthful about electric vehicles

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 03:05:07 -0600 fmiser via Mercedes
 wrote:


 > Craig wrote:
 >
 > There were places east of Colorado Springs that didn't get
 > electricity until after WW2.

 Aren't there places east of Colorado Springs that _still_ don't

 > have electricity?


Large parts of Hawaii don't have utilities.  Many people live "off 
the grid."  Oceanview is off grid and has  a fairly large population. 
Large parts of AK and other states don't have utilities either.


Most people who live there don't want utilities, and so don't want 
utility bills.


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Re: [MBZ] Clutch master cylinder

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

-- Philip wrote:

 I sure miss the knowledge, support, and service Q provided.



Q could not supply my master.  For that, I had to go to Classic
Center.  For whatever reason, they were able to get the correct one.
That was the least cost option for me at the time.  My son and I spent
4 hours at the shop he worked at and ended with nothing which resulted
in his telling me that if the proper part were not purchased, I would
be doing the job myself, so... Classic Center it was.  The cylinder Q
supplied twice was returned.
mao

_


Isn't your car a euro or RTW model, not a USA 123?
That could make a difference.

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Re: [MBZ] Clutch master cylinder

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

You will have to set yourself up as a shop/retailer.  THen you can 
order the worldparts stuff from Q.




Four years ago I refreshed the clutch master cylinder pulled from
one of the parts cars to put in a 240 that I drive.  I could not
find any new rubber parts, so is wasn't really a rebuild - just a
bore hone and cleanup.  But it lasted four years.

And then it failed. 


And I really miss Q!


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Re: [MBZ] Clutch master cylinder

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Another way to tell the rod is too long is in mounting.  If there
is fluid in the master cylinder, the rod (and piston) will move a
millimeter or two before the supply port is covered. At this point,
it becomes _very_ hard to press because any pressure is trying to
compress the clutch spring.

But the car is "down", and it will be at least _days_ before I can
get something else.

So I choose to shorten the rod.  Careful measurements on the bench
between the new TRW and the old FAG shows the TRW to be 3 mm to
long.  But it's not the rod.  The rod is exactly the same length as
the old FAG - it's the position of the piston top that is too far
from the mounting bolt ears.

There is a ball form on the end of the rod.  I choose to try to
keep the radius of the contact with the piston about the same.  I
grind, file, sand, and polish the rod making it about 2 mm
shorted.  Nope - not enough.  I remove another 1 mm.  Now it
works.  A total of about 3 mm ground of the end of the rod to make
the TRW part work in my car.

The car is working properly - but I'm sure not happy with
MercedesSource for not listing the manufacturer and for choosing
TRW, which seems to be junk.

I sure miss the knowledge, support, and service Q provided.

--  Philip


ATTABOY!

I think I'd have done the same.

It may be possible to order the Clutch MC Kit form the classic 
center.  OR MB may have quit selling the kits do to the liabilities 
caused by the lack of open season with no bag limit on USA shysters.


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Re: [MBZ] An article that is truthful about electric vehicles

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

 and certainly on farms without electricity, there was no Refer.

My grandmother had a refrigerator with the cylindrical condensor on 
top until the 60s when we moved it to the boathouse.  My other 
grandparents had a Delco light plant in the 20s until rural electric 
came through.  It was still there until about 1970 when my dad sold 
it.


If LT Don is lurking, the museum now has an enlarged USCG display.


Not so - I remember seeing, and find that they are still available, 
Servel gas/propane refrigerators:

https://www.gas-refrigerators.com/


--

OK Don



Well, Yes, Servels are still around.  They are popular with off the 
grid folks.  But we were talking about 'lectric refers, not gassers.


40 years ago I helped move one out of the 4th floor apt in an old 
wood apt house with narrow stairs.  The thing was a beast to get out. 
They weigh close to half a ton.  Being on teh downhill side of the 
machine, I was in fear for my life until we got it outside.  Had it 
gotten away from the uphill man, I would have been smashed by the 
thing.  There was no way I could have stopped it.  it was way too 
heavy.

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Re: [MBZ] Aladdin. Was: An article that is truthful about electric vehicles

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Curt wrote:
> 
> There are kerosene Coleman lanterns too.

I know. *smiles*  Rare as working ACC-I systems.  I'm keeping my
eye open for a Petromax.  Still need the font pressurized, though.

> Lately I'm into Tilly though. Weird little lanterns. I've got an
> Aladdin that Fred gave me, nice and quiet and frugal on fuel. At
> camp we've got a hot blast lantern

Tilly? Or Aladdin?  Or something else?

> I want to get a cold blast lantern as I've read that they put out
> a white light.

I too have read that the cold blast is whiter.  I don't remember
what brand lamp I was reading about, though...

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