date:20150302

Osamacare is turning into a flaming turd in secondary ways for many 
of the people who can not afford mistakes.



Seems the Washington Healthplan finder system in destroying 
families.  There have been multitudes of issues with the computer 
not paying,  or not showing the policy has been paid regularly. 
Sick people go to the doctor and learn they are not covered, but 
they had paid.  System screws up and they are holding the bag. 
Costs are not being reimbursed.  Thousands are run through the 
wringer.  The latest screwing over has the computers jacking up the 
monthly fees that are sucked out of users accounts exponentially. 
The premium was supposed to be $200, and the computer then steals 
$1300 from their bank.  The family now faces all manner of mischief. 
The osamacare plan takes multiple excess payments from their bank, 
wipes out their balance, and the banks ding them with NSF fees. 
Other auto pay accounts find the funds not there and more NSF fees 
are accrued.  Mortgage payments bounce, more payments bounce, the 
next osamacare payment is missed, car payment bounces, the whole 
mess goes into the crapper.  Family is now facing ruined credit, 
hassle from mortgage holder, car in repossession process, and the 
"plan" has been slow to give back the stolen funds.  Did I mention 
that without money to pay bills or shop for groceries, the families 
are taking it in the pants.


This is what comes from expecting a bureaucracy to be able to meet 
the needs of the individual.


clay


It is working exactly as designed.  Massive screwups, resulting in a 
huge outcry form the sheeple. resulting in the goobermnt taking over 
"fo da good of da chilluns"


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Re: [MBZ] ML


The bluetec in grand Cherokee is the same as in the Mercedes.



yep, and 70K.   For my $70k, I'll take the Mercedes behind door #1, 
not the cheep behind Door #2!


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Re: [MBZ] W140 - 1999 S320 Opinions

M104 in a w123 with a 5 speed sounds like a very interesting project!
Hey wait a minute, I thought you were Mr. Originality!!

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> On Feb 28, 2015, at 2:33 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The M104 is a wonderful engine.  I had one for years in my 95 E320 wagon.
> Smooth and powerful when you wind it out.  I always thought it would make
> an awesome engine to swap into something else.
> 
> Oddly enough, I have an opportunity to buy my old wagon back for cheap, now
> the the current teenage own is done smashing it into things.  I'm kinda
> tempted to buy it back, part it out, and put the engine in a W123 with a 5
> speed.
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Anyone familiar with the inline six?
>> 
>> I may go to Orlando tomorrow to look at this car.
>> 
>> 1999 S320, approximately 180,000 miles, one owner Florida car.  Dealer and
>> indie maintained, most service records. Everything works, cosmetics look
>> good, too.
>> 
>> I realize the S320 won't have all the bells and whistles of an S500, but
>> that's not a big deal to me. If anything, I'm most concerned about the
>> engine, as I know nothing about how this vintage inline six.
>> 
>> Anybody here familiar with them? Pitfalls? Things to look for?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Fat and Diet. was: Deadliest cars for drivers

2015-03-02 Thread Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes

WRT bones in soup: what I like to do with a chicken carcass when I make soup
is to add a little vinegar to the water before boiling.  It increases the
acidity enough to help dissolve the calcium from the bones into the soup.

Greg

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fat and Diet. was: Deadliest cars for drivers

Mom was on the veggie bandwagon for a number of years, and ended up with
pernicious anemia.  Now she has severe neuropathy, needs meds, B12 shots,
and occasionally eats red meat.  The damage is done, and after seeing the
results on her and on my sister, you would be hard pressed to convince me a
vegan diet is not cruel and unusual torture.  

clay

On Feb 27, 2015, at 3:29 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote:

> Lack of B12 is very serious -- in some cases, called "pernicious anemia"
the body stops making the cofactor necessary for transport out of the small
intestine into the blood stream.  The result is severe anemia.
> 
> This can result in permanent nerve damage, mental impairment, muscle
weakness.  Not good at all, a friend suffers from this and is only doing
"OK" after six or seven years of injected B12.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC & Net Neutrality

You might want to change the subject line or better yet, stay on topic.  :)

On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 7:48 PM, clay via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Osamacare is turning into a flaming turd in secondary ways for many of the
> people who can not afford mistakes.
>
>
> Seems the Washington Healthplan finder system in destroying families.
> There have been multitudes of issues with the computer not paying,  or not
> showing the policy has been paid regularly.  Sick people go to the doctor
> and learn they are not covered, but they had paid.  System screws up and
> they are holding the bag.  Costs are not being reimbursed.  Thousands are
> run through the wringer.  The latest screwing over has the computers
> jacking up the monthly fees that are sucked out of users accounts
> exponentially.  The premium was supposed to be $200, and the computer then
> steals $1300 from their bank.  The family now faces all manner of
> mischief.  The osamacare plan takes multiple excess payments from their
> bank, wipes out their balance, and the banks ding them with NSF fees.
> Other auto pay accounts find the funds not there and more NSF fees are
> accrued.  Mortgage payments bounce, more payments bounce, the next
> osamacare payment is missed, car payment bounces, the whole mess goes into
> the crapper.  Family is now facing ruined credit, hassle from mortgage
> holder, car in repossession process, and the "plan" has been slow to give
> back the stolen funds.  Did I mention that without money to pay bills or
> shop for groceries, the families are taking it in the pants.
>
> This is what comes from expecting a bureaucracy to be able to meet the
> needs of the individual.
>
> clay
>
>
>
> On Feb 27, 2015, at 5:50 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
>
> >> I'd love to hear the opinions on the subject line, especially from
> those of
> >> you who make a living in the IT industry.
> >>
> >> --
> >> -
> >> Max
> >> Charleston SC
> >
> > It is a blatant power grab by the lame duck Dear Leader.   The sheeple
> all stand by and let our rights slip away as the lil 'Dolfie consolidates
> and centralized power that is supposed to belong to the people.  It is as
> much about "net' and "neutrality" as the "afffordable care act" was about
> affordable health care.
> >
> > "You like your ISP, you can Keep your ISP"  "you will save $2500" etc It
> is all lies.
> >
> > Just like ACA, "We can't find out what is in it until" it is put in
> force by dictate.   Where is the Act of Congress?
> >
> > it is about command and control.  We lose choices and get regulated and
> taxed even more.
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Re: [MBZ] Guns and such, was ML

The fellow at the little people school was doing what childhood illness used to 
take care of.  Now the no vax people are helping to solve the problem.  More 
little kids get to be damaged and die.  Too much cleanliness and do gooder 
thinking.  Let the goobermunt take care of them.  Call the cops.  Used to be 
you were responsible for your own skin and had the troops deal with giant 
trouble like Nazis

clay


On Mar 2, 2015, at 2:47 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

> Yeah but . . . .
> 
> What was that school in New England where the fellow shot and killed a whole 
> bunch of young children just a couple of years back?
> Those little kids were not likely to have heart attacks for another 50 years 
> or so and unless the school bus got nailed by a dump truck, they were 
> unlikely to die in a car crash on the way to school.
> If there were more restrictions on gun ownership over on your side of the 
> border, then there would likely be fewer nut jobs who legally owned guns.
> 
> We seem to have gone too far the other way. Legal gun owners here are 
> essentially considered criminals unless they can prove otherwise. Our RCMP 
> kick down doors and search houses and take away legally stored guns without 
> excuse and heads don't roll over it. God help us all.
> 
> RB
> 
> On 02/03/2015 4:39 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> Like I told my class last week, there are about 30,000 gun related deaths in 
>> the US each year, about half of those are suicides. Some percentage of the 
>> other 15,000 were people shot by police and some percentage of that is 
>> "suicide by cops" but the statistics I've seen don't break that out.
>> There are 300,000,000 or so people in the USA so every year .005 of them 
>> will be killed by guns in any given year. You can compare that to 610,000 
>> people killed by heart attacks or 33,000 people killed in car crashes.
>> So you're twice as likely to be killed in a car crash and 400 times more 
>> likely to have a heart attack but guns are crazy and must be restricted. If 
>> you read "Freakonomics" the guy says (and I think rightly, obviously since 
>> I'm talking about it) that if you really want to prevent deaths work on 
>> fighting distracted driving and preventing heart disease...
>> -Curt
>>   From: Randy Bennell 
>>  To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
>> 
>>  Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 5:12 PM
>>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] ML
>>Well, if they do shoot you, it will likely be someone you know, but of
>> course in this instance, you do know him.
>> Did I not read in the news very recently (this past weekend maybe?)
>> about some family member who went house to house and killed about 5 of
>> his family members?
>> 
>> RB
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[MBZ] Steering Wheel

Did some additional coats of vinyl paint today and it really came out nicely.  
Not sure what the deal was with the strange finish issues last night, but maybe 
letting it sit for a while then recoating did the trick.

One thing that I found interesting:

At the point where leather meets wood on the wheel, the leather pieces weren't 
seamed or stitched.  That is, the edge of the piece of leather was just cut and 
appeared to be stuffed down in the joint between the wood and the wheel.  If 
you look at the pictures, you'll notice a black band at the intersection of the 
wood and leather part of the wheel.  This black material is formed with the 
rubber part of the wheel but it's soft and pliable, almost like putty.

Here is a link to some pictures as promised.  You can't really see the painted 
part that well, but trust me, it looks pretty decent now.  Leather is scheduled 
to arrive on Thursday.  In the meantime I need to get some polyester cord for 
the stitching.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/3br78n3s1x57gsu/AACx1ZVWtAXKwrR9Z_ZZzTmqa?dl=0

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Fat and Diet. was: Deadliest cars for drivers

Seattle is huge on the current bone soup craze.  There was a full page in the 
paper dedicated to recipes and the latest thoughts on its goodness.   Reminded 
me of Granny having a pot on the stove each week where she was drowning bones.  
That stuff smelled so good.  No idea what all she used the stuff in.

clay





On Feb 27, 2015, at 10:10 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

> I don't think he meant bone meal, but "soup bones" boiled in stock to
> prepare soup. These are usually the bones left over after cutting meat into
> roasts, steaks, etc., then cut up into smaller pieces - again usually
> including the joints (hence the cartilage). This makes a great tasting beef
> soup.
> 
> However, I'm not sure that eating cartilage is going to add it to your
> body, just as eating the cholesterol in eggs does not put cholesterol in
> your arteries.
> 
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 9:06 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Mountain Man wrote:
>> The lady said intestine and brain have gobs of cartilage and eating bone
>> soup broth is excellent for health along with salt and fat.  I can live
>> with that...snip
>> 
>> It's been long enough for the public to have forgotten about people eating
>> bone products back in the '70s and then dying.
>> The manufacturers had bought tons of Argentine beef bones because it was
>> by far cheaper than other sources, and used it in the manufacture of
>> various liquids, pills, and food products. The problem was that the
>> Argentine bones had large amounts of (arsenic?).
>> There had been many claims that bone calcium was more easily utilized in
>> the body than other forms; plus other claims about it's health benefits, so
>> there were many victims.
>> This is the first time I've read anything about bone meal in the diet
>> since then.
>> As long as they don't use Argentine bone meal, it should be fine.
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Fat and Diet. was: Deadliest cars for drivers

Mom was on the veggie bandwagon for a number of years, and ended up with 
pernicious anemia.  Now she has severe neuropathy, needs meds, B12 shots, and 
occasionally eats red meat.  The damage is done, and after seeing the results 
on her and on my sister, you would be hard pressed to convince me a vegan diet 
is not cruel and unusual torture.  

clay

On Feb 27, 2015, at 3:29 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote:

> Lack of B12 is very serious -- in some cases, called "pernicious anemia" the 
> body stops making the cofactor necessary for transport out of the small 
> intestine into the blood stream.  The result is severe anemia.
> 
> This can result in permanent nerve damage, mental impairment, muscle 
> weakness.  Not good at all, a friend suffers from this and is only doing "OK" 
> after six or seven years of injected B12.
> 
> Peter
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Re: [MBZ] ML

Nope, what ever replaced the grand Cherokee.

Curt

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Re: [MBZ] W140 - 1999 S320 Opinions

They are underpowered for the chassis.  #1 boy drives the early w140 version, 
which gets terrible mileage.  May as well get a V8 and power, since you are not 
saving cash at the pump.  That said, you will save on valve related things and 
heads, since there is but one.  The '99 will have good wire harness, so that is 
a massive load off the shoulders.  The car itself will be much the same as the 
more well appointed examples in quality.  Fewer whistle to go south.

The early example in the w140 was taxing on the transmission.  By the '99, I 
think they worked that out, so you will have it mated much better so the engine 
is not over working the transmission while moving you down the road.  It is a 
fairly stout motor.  The 300se suffers from garbage wires, which are the 
biggest problem at the moment.  There is a headgasket that wants changing, and 
a fair oil leak out the gasket at the moment.   Early model is also NA, which I 
do not know if the later cars rectified with a turbo.  Maybe not.

clay 

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On Feb 27, 2015, at 1:50 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

> Anyone familiar with the inline six?
> 
> I may go to Orlando tomorrow to look at this car.
> 
> 1999 S320, approximately 180,000 miles, one owner Florida car.  Dealer and 
> indie maintained, most service records. Everything works, cosmetics look 
> good, too.
> 
> I realize the S320 won't have all the bells and whistles of an S500, but 
> that's not a big deal to me. If anything, I'm most concerned about the 
> engine, as I know nothing about how this vintage inline six.
> 
> Anybody here familiar with them? Pitfalls? Things to look for?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

Does anyone know if I can use cylinder head that came from engine with 12 point 
head bolts on an engine which uses hex cylinder head bolts?
Shop manual says that hex head bolts must be used in engine that came with such 
bolts but unclear if head from newer engines can be placed on old engine.

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> 
> Good thing you have another head...
> 
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Re: [MBZ] ML


Is that the cheep liberty wuss/yup mobile?


I forgot to mention that I had a student in class last month who has 
a Jeep with a VM Motori 3.0l v6 ecodiesel. She loves it. They spent 
something like $60k on it...


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Re: [MBZ] OT: FCC & Net Neutrality

Osamacare is turning into a flaming turd in secondary ways for many of the 
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Seems the Washington Healthplan finder system in destroying families.  There 
have been multitudes of issues with the computer not paying,  or not showing 
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they are not covered, but they had paid.  System screws up and they are holding 
the bag.  Costs are not being reimbursed.  Thousands are run through the 
wringer.  The latest screwing over has the computers jacking up the monthly 
fees that are sucked out of users accounts exponentially.  The premium was 
supposed to be $200, and the computer then steals $1300 from their bank.  The 
family now faces all manner of mischief.  The osamacare plan takes multiple 
excess payments from their bank, wipes out their balance, and the banks ding 
them with NSF fees.  Other auto pay accounts find the funds not there and more 
NSF fees are accrued.  Mortgage payments bounce, more payments bounce, the next 
osamacare payment is missed, car payment bounces, the whole mess goes into
  the crapper.  Family is now facing ruined credit, hassle from mortgage 
holder, car in repossession process, and the "plan" has been slow to give back 
the stolen funds.  Did I mention that without money to pay bills or shop for 
groceries, the families are taking it in the pants.

This is what comes from expecting a bureaucracy to be able to meet the needs of 
the individual.

clay

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>> I'd love to hear the opinions on the subject line, especially from those of
>> you who make a living in the IT industry.
>> 
>> --
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
> 
> It is a blatant power grab by the lame duck Dear Leader.   The sheeple all 
> stand by and let our rights slip away as the lil 'Dolfie consolidates and 
> centralized power that is supposed to belong to the people.  It is as much 
> about "net' and "neutrality" as the "afffordable care act" was about 
> affordable health care.
> 
> "You like your ISP, you can Keep your ISP"  "you will save $2500" etc It is 
> all lies.
> 
> Just like ACA, "We can't find out what is in it until" it is put in force by 
> dictate.   Where is the Act of Congress?
> 
> it is about command and control.  We lose choices and get regulated and taxed 
> even more.
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Re: [MBZ] ML

2015-03-02 Thread Kevin Kraly via Mercedes

$15k is what my uncle Al paid for his brand new 1976 300d. That was the car 
that gave me the bug and peaked my interest in these awesome automobiles. He 
put 371K miles on it over 11 years.  

Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon

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> On Mar 2, 2015, at 12:10 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It is not a problem, if your pockets are deep and you have long arms.
> 
> I think someone once told me that my 300D would have sold for something like 
> $15K back in 1976.
> 
> That is why I did not have a new one then and am not likely to buy any new 
> Mercedes today.
> 
> RB
> 
>> On 02/03/2015 1:50 PM, wiltonw--- via Mercedes wrote:
>> 'Had to go on 100% emergency oxygen when I read the $69k and $72k.  
>> Developed a bad choking cough, too, with pain in left arm.  Recovered enough 
>> to write a note.
>> 
>> Wilton
>> 
>>  Dan Penoff via Mercedes  wrote:
>>> Goes to show you how closely I looked at it.  They had a diesel and a 
>>> gasser next to each other. The gasser was $69k and the diesel $72k, both 
>>> sticker prices.
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
 On Mar 2, 2015, at 11:10 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 f150 does not have a diesel available. The only 1/2 ton truck with diesel 
 is dodge either the ecodiesel. The f150 is the new all aluminum truck and 
 if it was 70k it was probably a platinum or King ranch. The basic xlt is 
 still going to be close to 60k.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Mar 2, 2015, at 6:26 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> If it's any consolation, while we were at the Strawberry Festival 
> yesterday I looked at some Frod pickup trucks the local dealers had on 
> display. An F150 dressed out with a diesel was *gulp* over $71,000!
> 
> I laughed maniacally when I saw it. A guy who was manning the booth next 
> to it laughed when he heard me. "I hear that all day long whenever people 
> look at that."
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Mar 1, 2015, at 10:04 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Was listed $45k or so, I beat on them a bit as it had been there awhile 
>> and the weather up there has been bad so they have not been moving iron. 
>> I stopped at another dealer yesterday morning on the way to see this 
>> one, a very similar car had literally just come in from a Daimler 
>> employee, they were fixing yo do the CPO inspection, about the same 
>> price. There's one in CO that's nice too, a bit more but 2014. They 
>> wanted to send it to me. There's a bunch around similar prices.  MB 
>> announces a new CpO deal tomorrow.
>> 
>> We drove a 2012 bluetec GL, it was noticeably less peppy and the engine 
>> and tranny were really working to move the car. We drove a GL 450 and it 
>> moved like the bluetec ML. Gas v diesel is probably a wash on fuel costs.
>> 
>> --R (sent from my miniPad)
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Re: [MBZ] ML

Not any more, its the VM Motori like in the pickup.

Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

Good thing you have another head...

Curt

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Re: [MBZ] ML

The bluetec in grand Cherokee is the same as in the Mercedes.

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On Mar 2, 2015, at 4:31 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes  
wrote:

>> 'Had to go on 100% emergency oxygen when I read the $69k and $72k. Developed 
>> a bad choking cough, too, with pain in left arm. Recovered enough to write a 
>> note.
>> 
>> Wilton
> 
> In 2007, when dodge was supposed to put the blujuce Dissels in the gran cheep 
> and the grand caravan, but never put any in the caravan, I went to a nice 
> little dodge stealer and asked about the grancheep. $70k  I looked at him and 
> told him for that money, I can buy a real Mercedes with a real Mercedes 
> Diesel engine.  Then I walked out.
> 
> The guy's chin was on the floor.  I shoulda kicked some dirt in it.
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Re: [MBZ] ML

That's what I have been hearing all over the car business. They are supposed to 
be going to some Italian diesel I think.

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> On Mar 2, 2015, at 2:42 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Sez who? I see a lot of posts talking about the v8 Cummins in the Titan 
> originally being the one destined for the Dodge 1/2 ton but nothing about the 
> i6 coming out of the heavier truck.
> -Curt
> 
>  From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
> To: 
> Cc: "mercedes@okiebenz com"  
> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 3:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] ML
> 
> Yes that is correct. The cummins will no longer be in the ram trucks starting 
> in 2018.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 2, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Karl Wittnebel  wrote:
>> 
>> Cummins is dropping a v8 diesel into nissan's half ton i think. Maybe 2016?
>> 
>>> On Mar 2, 2015 8:10 AM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>>>  wrote:
>>> f150 does not have a diesel available. The only 1/2 ton truck with diesel 
>>> is dodge either the ecodiesel. The f150 is the new all aluminum truck and 
>>> if it was 70k it was probably a platinum or King ranch. The basic xlt is 
>>> still going to be close to 60k.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Mar 2, 2015, at 6:26 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 If it's any consolation, while we were at the Strawberry Festival 
 yesterday I looked at some Frod pickup trucks the local dealers had on 
 display. An F150 dressed out with a diesel was *gulp* over $71,000!
 
 I laughed maniacally when I saw it. A guy who was manning the booth next 
 to it laughed when he heard me. "I hear that all day long whenever people 
 look at that."
 
 Dan
 
 
> On Mar 1, 2015, at 10:04 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Was listed $45k or so, I beat on them a bit as it had been there awhile 
> and the weather up there has been bad so they have not been moving iron. 
> I stopped at another dealer yesterday morning on the way to see this one, 
> a very similar car had literally just come in from a Daimler employee, 
> they were fixing yo do the CPO inspection, about the same price. There's 
> one in CO that's nice too, a bit more but 2014. They wanted to send it to 
> me. There's a bunch around similar prices.  MB announces a new CpO deal 
> tomorrow.
> 
> We drove a 2012 bluetec GL, it was noticeably less peppy and the engine 
> and tranny were really working to move the car. We drove a GL 450 and it 
> moved like the bluetec ML. Gas v diesel is probably a wash on fuel costs.
> 
> --R (sent from my miniPad)
 
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

Ok ya'll. Car had pressurized hoses this am. Took it for a short spin in town, 
temp remained cool. Popped hood, remove rad cap, revved engine and for the 
first time ever- bubbles in coolant! Yay, actually, CRAP! In my opinion car has 
a head issue!

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> On Mar 2, 2015, at 1:45 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Funny stuff! Did you have cafe au lait oil?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 2, 2015, at 1:42 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Well yeah but I realized what had happened. I pulled the glow plugs and 
>> cranked it to get the water out. Put 'em back in and it ran. If I left the 
>> cap loose it wasn't a problem.
>> -Curt
>> From: "dsereta...@yahoo.com" 
>> To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
>>  
>> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 1:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
>> 
>> You didn't end up hydro locking the engine?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 2, 2015, at 1:23 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The engine got repeatedly overheated. A couple times by the previous owner, 
>>> once or twice by me, until the head gasket couldn't handle it anymore...
>>> That one was actually the best kind of head gasket failure, it just 
>>> consumed some coolant and if you left the cap tight while the engine was 
>>> off it would fill the cylinders with coolant. We drove it a few months like 
>>> that until it needed injector return lines and I decided it wasn't worth 
>>> it...
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>>  From: "dsereta...@yahoo.com" 
>>> To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
>>>  
>>> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 1:17 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
>>> 
>>> How did the stuff ruin the head gasket?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Mar 2, 2015, at 12:35 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 I've never had it plug a radiator which is annoying because the time I 
 used it I was trying to plug a hole in a radiator. The previous owner of 
 my MB wagon had used it for the same reason with the same failed results.
 In both cases it plugged thermostats. Then it becomes the gift that keeps 
 on giving because its dammed hard to get the stuff back out... My '88 GMC 
 I became super adept at replacing thermostats. In the end I could do it in 
 10 minutes and lose only a cup of coolant. I always traveled with a spare. 
 Then when I got home I'd flush the cooling system AGAIN. I must have 
 flushed the system 20 times in the 4 years I drove it after adding the 
 stuff.My wagon I managed to do a better flush because I got all the stuff 
 out and never clogged another thermostat but the damage was already done, 
 the head gasket was toast. The car wasn't worth paying somebody to replace 
 it and I didn't have the facilities, tools, knowledge or friends at that 
 time to fix it myself...
 -Curt
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 Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 12:20 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
 
>> On 01/03/2015 4:55 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>> From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
>> Date: March 1, 2015 at 4:48:56 PM EST
>> To: G Mann 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
>> 
>> If I discover a head leak I will pour some of that leak sealer in the 
>> coolant system.
 
 And, in so doing will ruin the heater core and the radiator . . .
 
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

Yup toadass suck. 

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wrote:

>> Well, I think we need to wait a bit.
>> My Mercedes is 39 years old.
>> Let us see how the Prius is at that age.
>> My experience with the Toyotas that I have owned has not been great.
>> 2 of them rusted away and the 3rd one committed suicide before I managed to 
>> fix all of the other known faults.
>> 
>> RB
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

2015-03-02 Thread G Mann via Mercedes

It is my considered opinion the only place you will see a Prius in 30
years, if at all, is in a museum.



On 3/2/15, Curly McLain via Mercedes  wrote:
>>Well, I think we need to wait a bit.
>>My Mercedes is 39 years old.
>>Let us see how the Prius is at that age.
>>My experience with the Toyotas that I have owned has not been great.
>>2 of them rusted away and the 3rd one committed suicide before I
>>managed to fix all of the other known faults.
>>
>>RB
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Re: [MBZ] OT - CITI Replaces AMEX @ Costco

Well, although both Costco and Sam's are warehouse stores, I think 
their business models are very different.  Disclaimer: I have never 
set foot in a Sam's, although I have a nephew who works for them. 
Costco has a reputation for selling high quality merchandise and 
foods at reasonable prices.  Costco has a reputation for paying 
their employees well, and having very low turnover.  Reportedly, 
Costco has resisted increasing their profit margin at the expense of 
consumers.  I don't think Sam's shares these reputations.


Greg


Well, here is a big difference:
cosco ships your money to WA or OR, then ships it to china.
Sams ships your money to AR, then ships it to china.

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Re: [MBZ] ML

In Texas you have the illegals hauling a dozen people who wreck and kill 
a bunch and no one really cares,  Happens quite often.  Mostly due to 
stupidity, which apparently is a constitutional right.


A lot of the gun murders are young black men killing one another, no one 
particularly cares because their guns are illegal or they are criminals, 
etc.  Hard to regulate criminal behavior, and when it is tried, the 
media have fits.


These multiple things are anecdotal but grab the headlines far more than 
their contribution to the total body count.  Wasn't there some Canadian 
event a coupla weeks ago?


--R

On 3/2/15 5:12 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
Well, if they do shoot you, it will likely be someone you know, but of 
course in this instance, you do know him.
Did I not read in the news very recently (this past weekend maybe?) 
about some family member who went house to house and killed about 5 of 
his family members?


RB 



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Re: [MBZ] ML


On 02/03/2015 4:44 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

‎Curt wrote:

...that if you really want to >prevent deaths work on fighting >distracted driving 
and preventing >heart disease...

+1
And tobacco use.




Over here, the government is reluctant to stop people from smoking 
because of the big tax dollars it brings in.
They keep poking away at smokers by limiting where they can smoke but 
that is about the extent of the effort to slow it down or stop it.
Unfortunately, there are an awful lot of young people who smoke - 
especially the girls. My younger son's wife smokes. We wish she would 
quit and hope that if they ultimately have children, she will stop 
during pregnancy and not start up again. It is no doubt difficult to 
stop and that might give her enough incentive to do so.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] ML


Yeah but . . . .

What was that school in New England where the fellow shot and killed a 
whole bunch of young children just a couple of years back?
Those little kids were not likely to have heart attacks for another 50 
years or so and unless the school bus got nailed by a dump truck, they 
were unlikely to die in a car crash on the way to school.
If there were more restrictions on gun ownership over on your side of 
the border, then there would likely be fewer nut jobs who legally owned 
guns.


We seem to have gone too far the other way. Legal gun owners here are 
essentially considered criminals unless they can prove otherwise. Our 
RCMP kick down doors and search houses and take away legally stored guns 
without excuse and heads don't roll over it. God help us all.


RB

On 02/03/2015 4:39 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Like I told my class last week, there are about 30,000 gun related deaths in the US each 
year, about half of those are suicides. Some percentage of the other 15,000 were people 
shot by police and some percentage of that is "suicide by cops" but the 
statistics I've seen don't break that out.
There are 300,000,000 or so people in the USA so every year .005 of them will 
be killed by guns in any given year. You can compare that to 610,000 people 
killed by heart attacks or 33,000 people killed in car crashes.
So you're twice as likely to be killed in a car crash and 400 times more likely to have a 
heart attack but guns are crazy and must be restricted. If you read 
"Freakonomics" the guy says (and I think rightly, obviously since I'm talking 
about it) that if you really want to prevent deaths work on fighting distracted driving 
and preventing heart disease...
-Curt
   From: Randy Bennell 
  To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 

  Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 5:12 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] ML

Well, if they do shoot you, it will likely be someone you know, but of

course in this instance, you do know him.
Did I not read in the news very recently (this past weekend maybe?)
about some family member who went house to house and killed about 5 of
his family members?

RB
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Re: [MBZ] ML

Holy crap you're right, 480,000 deaths...
Distracted driving is a mere distraction by comparison.
-Curt
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 Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 5:44 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] ML

‎Curt wrote:
>...that if you really want to >prevent deaths work on fighting >distracted 
>driving and preventing >heart disease...

+1
And tobacco use. 

Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] ML

I forgot to mention that I had a student in class last month who has a Jeep 
with a VM Motori 3.0l v6 ecodiesel. She loves it. They spent something like 
$60k on it...
-Curt
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 Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 5:31 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] ML

>'Had to go on 100% emergency oxygen when I read the $69k and $72k. 
>Developed a bad choking cough, too, with pain in left arm. 
>Recovered enough to write a note.
>
>Wilton

In 2007, when dodge was supposed to put the blujuce Dissels in the 
gran cheep and the grand caravan, but never put any in the caravan, I 
went to a nice little dodge stealer and asked about the grancheep. 
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Mercedes with a real Mercedes Diesel engine.  Then I walked out.

The guy's chin was on the floor.  I shoulda kicked some dirt in it.

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Re: [MBZ] ML

2015-03-02 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes

‎Curt wrote:
>...that if you really want to >prevent deaths work on fighting >distracted 
>driving and preventing >heart disease...

+1
And tobacco use. 

Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] ML

Like I told my class last week, there are about 30,000 gun related deaths in 
the US each year, about half of those are suicides. Some percentage of the 
other 15,000 were people shot by police and some percentage of that is "suicide 
by cops" but the statistics I've seen don't break that out.
There are 300,000,000 or so people in the USA so every year .005 of them will 
be killed by guns in any given year. You can compare that to 610,000 people 
killed by heart attacks or 33,000 people killed in car crashes.
So you're twice as likely to be killed in a car crash and 400 times more likely 
to have a heart attack but guns are crazy and must be restricted. If you read 
"Freakonomics" the guy says (and I think rightly, obviously since I'm talking 
about it) that if you really want to prevent deaths work on fighting distracted 
driving and preventing heart disease...
-Curt
  From: Randy Bennell 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 5:12 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] ML
   
Well, if they do shoot you, it will likely be someone you know, but of 
course in this instance, you do know him.
Did I not read in the news very recently (this past weekend maybe?) 
about some family member who went house to house and killed about 5 of 
his family members?

RB   
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Fwd: Overheating 240D more info


Well, I think we need to wait a bit.
My Mercedes is 39 years old.
Let us see how the Prius is at that age.
My experience with the Toyotas that I have owned has not been great.
2 of them rusted away and the 3rd one committed suicide before I 
managed to fix all of the other known faults.


RB


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Re: [MBZ] ML

'Had to go on 100% emergency oxygen when I read the $69k and $72k. 
Developed a bad choking cough, too, with pain in left arm. 
Recovered enough to write a note.


Wilton


In 2007, when dodge was supposed to put the blujuce Dissels in the 
gran cheep and the grand caravan, but never put any in the caravan, I 
went to a nice little dodge stealer and asked about the grancheep. 
$70k  I looked at him and told him for that money, I can buy a real 
Mercedes with a real Mercedes Diesel engine.  Then I walked out.


The guy's chin was on the floor.  I shoulda kicked some dirt in it.

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Re: [MBZ] ML

Well, if they do shoot you, it will likely be someone you know, but of 
course in this instance, you do know him.
Did I not read in the news very recently (this past weekend maybe?) 
about some family member who went house to house and killed about 5 of 
his family members?


RB

On 02/03/2015 2:55 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

I had two guys in class last week from Europe. It took a lot of statistical explaining 
for them to realize that most everything they thought they knew about the USA and guns 
was wrong. They kept saying "but what we see on TV." and I kept telling them 
they should know better since they both work for TV stations...
While we are all inundated with images of people being shot the chances of any 
single average person being shot is exceedingly small.
-Curt
   From: Randy Bennell 
  To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 

  Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 3:48 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] ML

On 02/03/2015 12:44 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:




My neighbor has a friend who won't let anybody get his truck dirty. When you 
get in he wants you to close the door very gently, has a brush to clean your 
shoes with. You can't touch anything when you ride with him, he'd have to clean 
it afterward. Washes and details the truck every weekend.He got pissed when I 
wouldn't let him use my truck to haul home a washing machine. I told him to get 
out his testicles and actually use his truck as a truck rather than a 
compensator.
He don't like me much which is okay since I don't like him either.
-Curt
   

Do bear in mind, that you folks are down there where people shoot each
other for less provocation than this.

RB


   
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Re: [MBZ] OT - CITI Replaces AMEX @ Costco

What does top tier fuel mean? I was given to understand it all comes from the 
same place...
-Curt
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 Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 4:49 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - CITI Replaces AMEX @ Costco
   
When I was able to confirm that Costco sells Top Tier fuel I changed 
immediately. Their premium gas is consistently $.09-$0.12 a gallon cheaper than 
any of the Top Tier gas retailers (Shell, BP, Mobil).

And we like that they pay their employees a living wage.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 2, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Somebody there told me they don't make much off the goods they sell, most of 
> their profit is from the membership fees.  I'm not quite sure how that works, 
> I have the Exec membership, which costs like a $100, and I got $78 back this 
> year on the rebate it comes with. They told me when I got it if I don't get 
> the cost of it back they will credit it to me, but I have not gone and asked 
> for it so I don't know.  I guess I should try but I never remember to do it. 
> Its a store credit, so not cash, but if you use it then you pay less cash.
> 
> Costco stuff is indeed of considerable quality and the prices are lower or 
> competitive on value, and if you have any issue whatsoever they will replace 
> or refund no questions asked.  You really can't go wrong.  Gas is a lot 
> cheaper too, usually like 10cents/gal.
> 
> I had Sams in Houston as they were fairly close by, and it was OK but I like 
> Costco better.
> 
> --R
> 
> 
> 
>> On 3/2/15 3:45 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote:
>> Well, although both Costco and Sam's are warehouse stores, I think their 
>> business models are very different.  Disclaimer: I have never set foot in a 
>> Sam's, although I have a nephew who works for them.  Costco has a reputation 
>> for selling high quality merchandise and foods at reasonable prices.  Costco 
>> has a reputation for paying their employees well, and having very low 
>> turnover.  Reportedly, Costco has resisted increasing their profit margin at 
>> the expense of consumers.  I don't think Sam's shares these reputations.
>> 
>> Greg
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - CITI Replaces AMEX @ Costco

When I was able to confirm that Costco sells Top Tier fuel I changed 
immediately. Their premium gas is consistently $.09-$0.12 a gallon cheaper than 
any of the Top Tier gas retailers (Shell, BP, Mobil).

And we like that they pay their employees a living wage.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 2, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Somebody there told me they don't make much off the goods they sell, most of 
> their profit is from the membership fees.  I'm not quite sure how that works, 
> I have the Exec membership, which costs like a $100, and I got $78 back this 
> year on the rebate it comes with. They told me when I got it if I don't get 
> the cost of it back they will credit it to me, but I have not gone and asked 
> for it so I don't know.  I guess I should try but I never remember to do it. 
> Its a store credit, so not cash, but if you use it then you pay less cash.
> 
> Costco stuff is indeed of considerable quality and the prices are lower or 
> competitive on value, and if you have any issue whatsoever they will replace 
> or refund no questions asked.  You really can't go wrong.  Gas is a lot 
> cheaper too, usually like 10cents/gal.
> 
> I had Sams in Houston as they were fairly close by, and it was OK but I like 
> Costco better.
> 
> --R
> 
> 
> 
>> On 3/2/15 3:45 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote:
>> Well, although both Costco and Sam's are warehouse stores, I think their 
>> business models are very different.  Disclaimer: I have never set foot in a 
>> Sam's, although I have a nephew who works for them.  Costco has a reputation 
>> for selling high quality merchandise and foods at reasonable prices.  Costco 
>> has a reputation for paying their employees well, and having very low 
>> turnover.  Reportedly, Costco has resisted increasing their profit margin at 
>> the expense of consumers.  I don't think Sam's shares these reputations.
>> 
>> Greg
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - CITI Replaces AMEX @ Costco

Somebody there told me they don't make much off the goods they sell, 
most of their profit is from the membership fees.  I'm not quite sure 
how that works, I have the Exec membership, which costs like a $100, and 
I got $78 back this year on the rebate it comes with. They told me when 
I got it if I don't get the cost of it back they will credit it to me, 
but I have not gone and asked for it so I don't know.  I guess I should 
try but I never remember to do it. Its a store credit, so not cash, but 
if you use it then you pay less cash.


Costco stuff is indeed of considerable quality and the prices are lower 
or competitive on value, and if you have any issue whatsoever they will 
replace or refund no questions asked.  You really can't go wrong.  Gas 
is a lot cheaper too, usually like 10cents/gal.


I had Sams in Houston as they were fairly close by, and it was OK but I 
like Costco better.


--R



On 3/2/15 3:45 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote:

Well, although both Costco and Sam's are warehouse stores, I think their 
business models are very different.  Disclaimer: I have never set foot in a 
Sam's, although I have a nephew who works for them.  Costco has a reputation 
for selling high quality merchandise and foods at reasonable prices.  Costco 
has a reputation for paying their employees well, and having very low turnover. 
 Reportedly, Costco has resisted increasing their profit margin at the expense 
of consumers.  I don't think Sam's shares these reputations.

Greg



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Re: [MBZ] ML

Plenty of guns in MA. That guy wouldn't shoot me with HIS gun though, it might 
get dirty, he'd ask to borrow mine.
-Curt
  From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 3:51 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] ML
   
No, he's in Massachusetts.

--R





On 3/2/15 3:48 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
> On 02/03/2015 12:44 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> My neighbor has a friend who won't let anybody get his truck dirty. 
>> When you get in he wants you to close the door very gently, has a 
>> brush to clean your shoes with. You can't touch anything when you 
>> ride with him, he'd have to clean it afterward. Washes and details 
>> the truck every weekend.He got pissed when I wouldn't let him use my 
>> truck to haul home a washing machine. I told him to get out his 
>> testicles and actually use his truck as a truck rather than a 
>> compensator.
>> He don't like me much which is okay since I don't like him either.
>> -Curt
>
> Do bear in mind, that you folks are down there where people shoot each 
> other for less provocation than this.
>
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] OT - CITI Replaces AMEX @ Costco

Costco also has a pharmacy with good deals on Rxs for people w/o
insurance...

On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 3:45 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Well, although both Costco and Sam's are warehouse stores, I think their
> business models are very different.  Disclaimer: I have never set foot in a
> Sam's, although I have a nephew who works for them.  Costco has a
> reputation for selling high quality merchandise and foods at reasonable
> prices.  Costco has a reputation for paying their employees well, and
> having very low turnover.  Reportedly, Costco has resisted increasing their
> profit margin at the expense of consumers.  I don't think Sam's shares
> these reputations.
>
> Greg
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich
> Thomas via Mercedes
> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 10:49 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - CITI Replaces AMEX @ Costco
>
> Although functionally there is not a great deal of difference, they are
> different corporate entities.
>
> --R
>
>
>
> On 3/2/15 1:25 PM, Mike Esh wrote:
> > Oh, yea, Costco--Sam's
> > It must be Monday!
> >
> > Michael E. Esh
> > michael...@mac.com
> > http://www.yugster.com/invite/138123
> > (C) 231.286.2344
> >
> > On Mar 02, 2015, at 01:19 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> Yes, you are missing the difference between Costco and Sams
> >>
> >> --R
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 3/2/15 1:17 PM, Mike Esh via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> Am I missing something?
> >>> I used my Mastercard Credit Card at Sam's today. It is not
> >>> affiliated with Sam's in any way.
> >>> Mike
> >>> michael...@mac.com 
> >>> (C) 231.286.2344
> >>> On Mar 02, 2015, at 12:36 PM, Russ Williams via Mercedes
> >>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>  It will be a Citi Visa card according to the talking heads.
>  On Mon,3/2/15 09:48, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > Citi what? They have debit cards which are already accepted at hte
> > pharmacy.
> > On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 9:57 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> >> Just saw something come across the wire about Citigroup replacing
> >> AMEX for Costco's card services.
> >> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] ML

I had two guys in class last week from Europe. It took a lot of statistical 
explaining for them to realize that most everything they thought they knew 
about the USA and guns was wrong. They kept saying "but what we see on TV." and 
I kept telling them they should know better since they both work for TV 
stations...
While we are all inundated with images of people being shot the chances of any 
single average person being shot is exceedingly small.
-Curt
  From: Randy Bennell 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 3:48 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] ML
   
On 02/03/2015 12:44 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:


> My neighbor has a friend who won't let anybody get his truck dirty. When you 
> get in he wants you to close the door very gently, has a brush to clean your 
> shoes with. You can't touch anything when you ride with him, he'd have to 
> clean it afterward. Washes and details the truck every weekend.He got pissed 
> when I wouldn't let him use my truck to haul home a washing machine. I told 
> him to get out his testicles and actually use his truck as a truck rather 
> than a compensator.
> He don't like me much which is okay since I don't like him either.
> -Curt
>      

Do bear in mind, that you folks are down there where people shoot each 
other for less provocation than this.

RB


  
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Re: [MBZ] ML


No, he's in Massachusetts.

--R



On 3/2/15 3:48 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

On 02/03/2015 12:44 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
My neighbor has a friend who won't let anybody get his truck dirty. 
When you get in he wants you to close the door very gently, has a 
brush to clean your shoes with. You can't touch anything when you 
ride with him, he'd have to clean it afterward. Washes and details 
the truck every weekend.He got pissed when I wouldn't let him use my 
truck to haul home a washing machine. I told him to get out his 
testicles and actually use his truck as a truck rather than a 
compensator.

He don't like me much which is okay since I don't like him either.
-Curt


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other for less provocation than this.


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Re: [MBZ] ML


On 02/03/2015 12:44 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

My neighbor has a friend who won't let anybody get his truck dirty. When you 
get in he wants you to close the door very gently, has a brush to clean your 
shoes with. You can't touch anything when you ride with him, he'd have to clean 
it afterward. Washes and details the truck every weekend.He got pissed when I 
wouldn't let him use my truck to haul home a washing machine. I told him to get 
out his testicles and actually use his truck as a truck rather than a 
compensator.
He don't like me much which is okay since I don't like him either.
-Curt
  


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other for less provocation than this.


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Re: [MBZ] ML

My grandmother was a Cummins but unfortunately not of the engine 
family.  My luck of the draw I guess.

--R

On 3/2/15 3:38 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Yes that is correct. The cummins will no longer be in the ram trucks starting 
in 2018.

Sent from my iPhone

>On Mar 2, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Karl Wittnebel  wrote:
>
>Cummins is dropping a v8 diesel into nissan's half ton i think. Maybe 2016?

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Re: [MBZ] OT - CITI Replaces AMEX @ Costco

2015-03-02 Thread Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes

Well, although both Costco and Sam's are warehouse stores, I think their 
business models are very different.  Disclaimer: I have never set foot in a 
Sam's, although I have a nephew who works for them.  Costco has a reputation 
for selling high quality merchandise and foods at reasonable prices.  Costco 
has a reputation for paying their employees well, and having very low turnover. 
 Reportedly, Costco has resisted increasing their profit margin at the expense 
of consumers.  I don't think Sam's shares these reputations.

Greg

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Although functionally there is not a great deal of difference, they are 
different corporate entities.

--R



On 3/2/15 1:25 PM, Mike Esh wrote:
> Oh, yea, Costco--Sam's
> It must be Monday!
>
> Michael E. Esh
> michael...@mac.com
> http://www.yugster.com/invite/138123
> (C) 231.286.2344
>
> On Mar 02, 2015, at 01:19 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>
>> Yes, you are missing the difference between Costco and Sams
>>
>> --R
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/2/15 1:17 PM, Mike Esh via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Am I missing something?
>>> I used my Mastercard Credit Card at Sam's today. It is not 
>>> affiliated with Sam's in any way.
>>> Mike
>>> michael...@mac.com 
>>> (C) 231.286.2344
>>> On Mar 02, 2015, at 12:36 PM, Russ Williams via Mercedes 
>>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
 It will be a Citi Visa card according to the talking heads.
 On Mon,3/2/15 09:48, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> Citi what? They have debit cards which are already accepted at hte 
> pharmacy.
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 9:57 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes < 
> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
>> Just saw something come across the wire about Citigroup replacing 
>> AMEX for Costco's card services.
>> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] ML

Sez who? I see a lot of posts talking about the v8 Cummins in the Titan 
originally being the one destined for the Dodge 1/2 ton but nothing about the 
i6 coming out of the heavier truck.
-Curt

  From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 To: 
Cc: "mercedes@okiebenz com"  
 Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 3:38 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] ML
   
Yes that is correct. The cummins will no longer be in the ram trucks starting 
in 2018.

Sent from my iPhone



> On Mar 2, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Karl Wittnebel  wrote:
> 
> Cummins is dropping a v8 diesel into nissan's half ton i think. Maybe 2016?
> 
>> On Mar 2, 2015 8:10 AM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>>  wrote:
>> f150 does not have a diesel available. The only 1/2 ton truck with diesel is 
>> dodge either the ecodiesel. The f150 is the new all aluminum truck and if it 
>> was 70k it was probably a platinum or King ranch. The basic xlt is still 
>> going to be close to 60k.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Mar 2, 2015, at 6:26 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> > If it's any consolation, while we were at the Strawberry Festival 
>> > yesterday I looked at some Frod pickup trucks the local dealers had on 
>> > display. An F150 dressed out with a diesel was *gulp* over $71,000!
>> >
>> > I laughed maniacally when I saw it. A guy who was manning the booth next 
>> > to it laughed when he heard me. "I hear that all day long whenever people 
>> > look at that."
>> >
>> > Dan
>> >
>> >
>> >> On Mar 1, 2015, at 10:04 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
>> >>  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Was listed $45k or so, I beat on them a bit as it had been there awhile 
>> >> and the weather up there has been bad so they have not been moving iron. 
>> >> I stopped at another dealer yesterday morning on the way to see this one, 
>> >> a very similar car had literally just come in from a Daimler employee, 
>> >> they were fixing yo do the CPO inspection, about the same price. There's 
>> >> one in CO that's nice too, a bit more but 2014. They wanted to send it to 
>> >> me. There's a bunch around similar prices.  MB announces a new CpO deal 
>> >> tomorrow.
>> >>
>> >> We drove a 2012 bluetec GL, it was noticeably less peppy and the engine 
>> >> and tranny were really working to move the car. We drove a GL 450 and it 
>> >> moved like the bluetec ML. Gas v diesel is probably a wash on fuel costs.
>> >>
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Re: [MBZ] ML

Yes that is correct. The cummins will no longer be in the ram trucks starting 
in 2018.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 2, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Karl Wittnebel  wrote:
> 
> Cummins is dropping a v8 diesel into nissan's half ton i think. Maybe 2016?
> 
>> On Mar 2, 2015 8:10 AM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>>  wrote:
>> f150 does not have a diesel available. The only 1/2 ton truck with diesel is 
>> dodge either the ecodiesel. The f150 is the new all aluminum truck and if it 
>> was 70k it was probably a platinum or King ranch. The basic xlt is still 
>> going to be close to 60k.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Mar 2, 2015, at 6:26 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> > If it's any consolation, while we were at the Strawberry Festival 
>> > yesterday I looked at some Frod pickup trucks the local dealers had on 
>> > display. An F150 dressed out with a diesel was *gulp* over $71,000!
>> >
>> > I laughed maniacally when I saw it. A guy who was manning the booth next 
>> > to it laughed when he heard me. "I hear that all day long whenever people 
>> > look at that."
>> >
>> > Dan
>> >
>> >
>> >> On Mar 1, 2015, at 10:04 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
>> >>  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Was listed $45k or so, I beat on them a bit as it had been there awhile 
>> >> and the weather up there has been bad so they have not been moving iron. 
>> >> I stopped at another dealer yesterday morning on the way to see this one, 
>> >> a very similar car had literally just come in from a Daimler employee, 
>> >> they were fixing yo do the CPO inspection, about the same price. There's 
>> >> one in CO that's nice too, a bit more but 2014. They wanted to send it to 
>> >> me. There's a bunch around similar prices.  MB announces a new CpO deal 
>> >> tomorrow.
>> >>
>> >> We drove a 2012 bluetec GL, it was noticeably less peppy and the engine 
>> >> and tranny were really working to move the car. We drove a GL 450 and it 
>> >> moved like the bluetec ML. Gas v diesel is probably a wash on fuel costs.
>> >>
>> >> --R (sent from my miniPad)
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[MBZ] ignorance is bliss.

http://www.sheldoncomics.com/archive/150226.html

-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] ML

V8? I thought it was a v6 into the Frontier.
Turns out you're right, 5.0l v8: 
http://www.nissanusa.com/trucks/2016-titan/2016 they claim.-Curt
  From: Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
 To: Kaleb C. Striplin ; "mercedes@okiebenz com" 
 
 Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 3:25 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] ML
   
Cummins is dropping a v8 diesel into nissan's half ton i think. Maybe 2016?
On Mar 2, 2015 8:10 AM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> f150 does not have a diesel available. The only 1/2 ton truck with diesel
> is dodge either the ecodiesel. The f150 is the new all aluminum truck and
> if it was 70k it was probably a platinum or King ranch. The basic xlt is
> still going to be close to 60k.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 2, 2015, at 6:26 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > If it's any consolation, while we were at the Strawberry Festival
> yesterday I looked at some Frod pickup trucks the local dealers had on
> display. An F150 dressed out with a diesel was *gulp* over $71,000!
> >
> > I laughed maniacally when I saw it. A guy who was manning the booth next
> to it laughed when he heard me. "I hear that all day long whenever people
> look at that."
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> >> On Mar 1, 2015, at 10:04 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Was listed $45k or so, I beat on them a bit as it had been there awhile
> and the weather up there has been bad so they have not been moving iron. I
> stopped at another dealer yesterday morning on the way to see this one, a
> very similar car had literally just come in from a Daimler employee, they
> were fixing yo do the CPO inspection, about the same price. There's one in
> CO that's nice too, a bit more but 2014. They wanted to send it to me.
> There's a bunch around similar prices.  MB announces a new CpO deal
> tomorrow.
> >>
> >> We drove a 2012 bluetec GL, it was noticeably less peppy and the engine
> and tranny were really working to move the car. We drove a GL 450 and it
> moved like the bluetec ML. Gas v diesel is probably a wash on fuel costs.
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] ML

2015-03-02 Thread Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes

Cummins is dropping a v8 diesel into nissan's half ton i think. Maybe 2016?
On Mar 2, 2015 8:10 AM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> f150 does not have a diesel available. The only 1/2 ton truck with diesel
> is dodge either the ecodiesel. The f150 is the new all aluminum truck and
> if it was 70k it was probably a platinum or King ranch. The basic xlt is
> still going to be close to 60k.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 2, 2015, at 6:26 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > If it's any consolation, while we were at the Strawberry Festival
> yesterday I looked at some Frod pickup trucks the local dealers had on
> display. An F150 dressed out with a diesel was *gulp* over $71,000!
> >
> > I laughed maniacally when I saw it. A guy who was manning the booth next
> to it laughed when he heard me. "I hear that all day long whenever people
> look at that."
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> >> On Mar 1, 2015, at 10:04 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Was listed $45k or so, I beat on them a bit as it had been there awhile
> and the weather up there has been bad so they have not been moving iron. I
> stopped at another dealer yesterday morning on the way to see this one, a
> very similar car had literally just come in from a Daimler employee, they
> were fixing yo do the CPO inspection, about the same price. There's one in
> CO that's nice too, a bit more but 2014. They wanted to send it to me.
> There's a bunch around similar prices.  MB announces a new CpO deal
> tomorrow.
> >>
> >> We drove a 2012 bluetec GL, it was noticeably less peppy and the engine
> and tranny were really working to move the car. We drove a GL 450 and it
> moved like the bluetec ML. Gas v diesel is probably a wash on fuel costs.
> >>
> >> --R (sent from my miniPad)
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Why are Craigslist people dumb?

We'll see. I asked for verification of mileage, if it comes back over about 
3000 I'll probably pass. At that amount for a small machine it probably needs 
top end work. This far south its evidence of lots of short trips. In a northern 
sled I wouldn't be worried.
On the other hand he's asking so little money it might be worth putting a top 
end into it if the cosmetics are decent.
-Curt
  From: Andrew Strasfogel 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 3:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Why are Craigslist people dumb?
   
Prepare to be hurt...


On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 1:58 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

I've been casually looking at buying a newer snowmobile. My old Ski-Doo has 
about had it, its huge, heavy, bent (I crimped the frame when tapped a concrete 
block) and with dual carbs is hard on the thumb. Prices are up because we've 
got good snow so I figured its a vain search but something came up today. Its 
far-ish away but I'm working from home this week, its 5 years newer than the 
Ski-Doo and should be a nice little machine.The ad is the typical lame thing 
with no pic and "just needs tune up" which is usually code for "carb is full of 
water" but thats an easy enough fix so I email and ask "so what does the "just 
needs tune up" mean and can I have pics?" the guy says "Send me an email and 
I'll send pics." I should point out we've been emailing at this point. So I 
send back "email" to which he responds "", I explain and he tries to send 
me an MHT file that Yahoo won't download. Finally sends me a pdf of what looks 
like a print out of a picture from another email account that he's taken a 
picture of with his phone. So weird...
I guess I'm going to take a chance, its priced right although I expect I'm 
going to find a piece of garbage...
-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Why are Craigslist people dumb?

Prepare to be hurt...

On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 1:58 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
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> I've been casually looking at buying a newer snowmobile. My old Ski-Doo
> has about had it, its huge, heavy, bent (I crimped the frame when tapped a
> concrete block) and with dual carbs is hard on the thumb. Prices are up
> because we've got good snow so I figured its a vain search but something
> came up today. Its far-ish away but I'm working from home this week, its 5
> years newer than the Ski-Doo and should be a nice little machine.The ad is
> the typical lame thing with no pic and "just needs tune up" which is
> usually code for "carb is full of water" but thats an easy enough fix so I
> email and ask "so what does the "just needs tune up" mean and can I have
> pics?" the guy says "Send me an email and I'll send pics." I should point
> out we've been emailing at this point. So I send back "email" to which he
> responds "", I explain and he tries to send me an MHT file that Yahoo
> won't download. Finally sends me a pdf of what looks like a print out of a
> picture from another email account that he's taken a picture of with his
> phone. So weird...
> I guess I'm going to take a chance, its priced right although I expect I'm
> going to find a piece of garbage...
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] ML

Wilton:

ATTABOY!

On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 3:10 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> It is not a problem, if your pockets are deep and you have long arms.
>
> I think someone once told me that my 300D would have sold for something
> like $15K back in 1976.
>
> That is why I did not have a new one then and am not likely to buy any new
> Mercedes today.
>
> RB
>
>
> On 02/03/2015 1:50 PM, wiltonw--- via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> 'Had to go on 100% emergency oxygen when I read the $69k and $72k.
>> Developed a bad choking cough, too, with pain in left arm.  Recovered
>> enough to write a note.
>>
>> Wilton
>>
>>  Dan Penoff via Mercedes  wrote:
>>
>>> Goes to show you how closely I looked at it.  They had a diesel and a
>>> gasser next to each other. The gasser was $69k and the diesel $72k, both
>>> sticker prices.
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>  On Mar 2, 2015, at 11:10 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

 f150 does not have a diesel available. The only 1/2 ton truck with
 diesel is dodge either the ecodiesel. The f150 is the new all aluminum
 truck and if it was 70k it was probably a platinum or King ranch. The basic
 xlt is still going to be close to 60k.

 Sent from my iPhone

  On Mar 2, 2015, at 6:26 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> If it's any consolation, while we were at the Strawberry Festival
> yesterday I looked at some Frod pickup trucks the local dealers had on
> display. An F150 dressed out with a diesel was *gulp* over $71,000!
>
> I laughed maniacally when I saw it. A guy who was manning the booth
> next to it laughed when he heard me. "I hear that all day long whenever
> people look at that."
>
> Dan
>
>
>  On Mar 1, 2015, at 10:04 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> Was listed $45k or so, I beat on them a bit as it had been there
>> awhile and the weather up there has been bad so they have not been moving
>> iron. I stopped at another dealer yesterday morning on the way to see 
>> this
>> one, a very similar car had literally just come in from a Daimler 
>> employee,
>> they were fixing yo do the CPO inspection, about the same price. There's
>> one in CO that's nice too, a bit more but 2014. They wanted to send it to
>> me. There's a bunch around similar prices.  MB announces a new CpO deal
>> tomorrow.
>>
>> We drove a 2012 bluetec GL, it was noticeably less peppy and the
>> engine and tranny were really working to move the car. We drove a GL 450
>> and it moved like the bluetec ML. Gas v diesel is probably a wash on fuel
>> costs.
>>
>> --R (sent from my miniPad)
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Re: [MBZ] OT - CITI Replaces AMEX @ Costco

I think they will just give you one.  but then you have to deal with 
it.  Debit works in the self-serve lanes but cash you have to deal with 
a human


--R



On 3/2/15 1:52 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Cash still works.
   From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
  To: Dan Penoff ; Mercedes Discussion List 

  Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 1:47 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - CITI Replaces AMEX @ Costco

i am very unenthused about applying for yet another credit card.


On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 1:33 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


IIRC, you can use MC or Visa debit cards at Sam's, but NOT Visa credit
cards, only MC.  I am almost 100% positive of this, as I've tried to use my
dual function Visa at Sam's as a credit card and they won't do it.

Dan

Sent from my iPad


On Mar 2, 2015, at 1:17 PM, Mike Esh via Mercedes 

wrote:

Am I missing something?
I used my Mastercard Credit Card at Sam's today.  It is not affiliated

with Sam's in any way.

Mike

michael...@mac.com
(C) 231.286.2344



On Mar 02, 2015, at 12:36 PM, Russ Williams via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

It will be a Citi Visa card according to the talking heads.



On Mon,3/2/15 09:48, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
Citi what? They have debit cards which are already accepted at hte
pharmacy.
On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 9:57 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Just saw something come across the wire about Citigroup replacing

AMEX for

Costco's card services.
Dan
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Re: [MBZ] ML


It is not a problem, if your pockets are deep and you have long arms.

I think someone once told me that my 300D would have sold for something 
like $15K back in 1976.


That is why I did not have a new one then and am not likely to buy any 
new Mercedes today.


RB

On 02/03/2015 1:50 PM, wiltonw--- via Mercedes wrote:

'Had to go on 100% emergency oxygen when I read the $69k and $72k.  Developed a 
bad choking cough, too, with pain in left arm.  Recovered enough to write a 
note.

Wilton

 Dan Penoff via Mercedes  wrote:

Goes to show you how closely I looked at it.  They had a diesel and a gasser 
next to each other. The gasser was $69k and the diesel $72k, both sticker 
prices.

Dan

Sent from my iPad


On Mar 2, 2015, at 11:10 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

f150 does not have a diesel available. The only 1/2 ton truck with diesel is 
dodge either the ecodiesel. The f150 is the new all aluminum truck and if it 
was 70k it was probably a platinum or King ranch. The basic xlt is still going 
to be close to 60k.

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 2, 2015, at 6:26 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
wrote:

If it's any consolation, while we were at the Strawberry Festival yesterday I 
looked at some Frod pickup trucks the local dealers had on display. An F150 
dressed out with a diesel was *gulp* over $71,000!

I laughed maniacally when I saw it. A guy who was manning the booth next to it laughed 
when he heard me. "I hear that all day long whenever people look at that."

Dan



On Mar 1, 2015, at 10:04 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes  
wrote:

Was listed $45k or so, I beat on them a bit as it had been there awhile and the 
weather up there has been bad so they have not been moving iron. I stopped at 
another dealer yesterday morning on the way to see this one, a very similar car 
had literally just come in from a Daimler employee, they were fixing yo do the 
CPO inspection, about the same price. There's one in CO that's nice too, a bit 
more but 2014. They wanted to send it to me. There's a bunch around similar 
prices.  MB announces a new CpO deal tomorrow.

We drove a 2012 bluetec GL, it was noticeably less peppy and the engine and 
tranny were really working to move the car. We drove a GL 450 and it moved like 
the bluetec ML. Gas v diesel is probably a wash on fuel costs.

--R (sent from my miniPad)

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Re: [MBZ] ML

2015-03-02 Thread wiltonw--- via Mercedes

'Had to go on 100% emergency oxygen when I read the $69k and $72k.  Developed a 
bad choking cough, too, with pain in left arm.  Recovered enough to write a 
note.

Wilton

 Dan Penoff via Mercedes  wrote: 
> Goes to show you how closely I looked at it.  They had a diesel and a gasser 
> next to each other. The gasser was $69k and the diesel $72k, both sticker 
> prices.
> 
> Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> > On Mar 2, 2015, at 11:10 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > f150 does not have a diesel available. The only 1/2 ton truck with diesel 
> > is dodge either the ecodiesel. The f150 is the new all aluminum truck and 
> > if it was 70k it was probably a platinum or King ranch. The basic xlt is 
> > still going to be close to 60k.
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> >> On Mar 2, 2015, at 6:26 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >> If it's any consolation, while we were at the Strawberry Festival 
> >> yesterday I looked at some Frod pickup trucks the local dealers had on 
> >> display. An F150 dressed out with a diesel was *gulp* over $71,000!
> >> 
> >> I laughed maniacally when I saw it. A guy who was manning the booth next 
> >> to it laughed when he heard me. "I hear that all day long whenever people 
> >> look at that."
> >> 
> >> Dan
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> On Mar 1, 2015, at 10:04 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
> >>>  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Was listed $45k or so, I beat on them a bit as it had been there awhile 
> >>> and the weather up there has been bad so they have not been moving iron. 
> >>> I stopped at another dealer yesterday morning on the way to see this one, 
> >>> a very similar car had literally just come in from a Daimler employee, 
> >>> they were fixing yo do the CPO inspection, about the same price. There's 
> >>> one in CO that's nice too, a bit more but 2014. They wanted to send it to 
> >>> me. There's a bunch around similar prices.  MB announces a new CpO deal 
> >>> tomorrow. 
> >>> 
> >>> We drove a 2012 bluetec GL, it was noticeably less peppy and the engine 
> >>> and tranny were really working to move the car. We drove a GL 450 and it 
> >>> moved like the bluetec ML. Gas v diesel is probably a wash on fuel costs. 
> >>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - CITI Replaces AMEX @ Costco


http://truckyeah.jalopnik.com/costco-will-sell-a-kirkland-signature-chevy-silverado-1688925547

But you can't buy it with your Amex card

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[MBZ] OT: Why are Craigslist people dumb?

I've been casually looking at buying a newer snowmobile. My old Ski-Doo has 
about had it, its huge, heavy, bent (I crimped the frame when tapped a concrete 
block) and with dual carbs is hard on the thumb. Prices are up because we've 
got good snow so I figured its a vain search but something came up today. Its 
far-ish away but I'm working from home this week, its 5 years newer than the 
Ski-Doo and should be a nice little machine.The ad is the typical lame thing 
with no pic and "just needs tune up" which is usually code for "carb is full of 
water" but thats an easy enough fix so I email and ask "so what does the "just 
needs tune up" mean and can I have pics?" the guy says "Send me an email and 
I'll send pics." I should point out we've been emailing at this point. So I 
send back "email" to which he responds "", I explain and he tries to send 
me an MHT file that Yahoo won't download. Finally sends me a pdf of what looks 
like a print out of a picture from another email account that he
 's taken a picture of with his phone. So weird...
I guess I'm going to take a chance, its priced right although I expect I'm 
going to find a piece of garbage...
-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] OT - CITI Replaces AMEX @ Costco

Cash still works.
  From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 To: Dan Penoff ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 1:47 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - CITI Replaces AMEX @ Costco
   
i am very unenthused about applying for yet another credit card.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 1:33 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> IIRC, you can use MC or Visa debit cards at Sam's, but NOT Visa credit
> cards, only MC.  I am almost 100% positive of this, as I've tried to use my
> dual function Visa at Sam's as a credit card and they won't do it.
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
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> > On Mar 2, 2015, at 1:17 PM, Mike Esh via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > Am I missing something?
> > I used my Mastercard Credit Card at Sam's today.  It is not affiliated
> with Sam's in any way.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > michael...@mac.com
> > (C) 231.286.2344
> >
> >
> >> On Mar 02, 2015, at 12:36 PM, Russ Williams via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> It will be a Citi Visa card according to the talking heads.
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Mon,3/2/15 09:48, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> Citi what? They have debit cards which are already accepted at hte
> >>> pharmacy.
> >>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 9:57 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>  Just saw something come across the wire about Citigroup replacing
> AMEX for
>  Costco's card services.
>  Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

Nope, it ran real good too. If I had it now I'd totally put a head gasket into 
it. Unfortunately at the time I didn't have the space or know-how to work on 
it. I could do better now.
-Curt
  From: "dsereta...@yahoo.com" 
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 Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 1:45 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
   
Funny stuff! Did you have cafe au lait oil?

Sent from my iPhone



> On Mar 2, 2015, at 1:42 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Well yeah but I realized what had happened. I pulled the glow plugs and 
> cranked it to get the water out. Put 'em back in and it ran. If I left the 
> cap loose it wasn't a problem.
> -Curt
>      From: "dsereta...@yahoo.com" 
> To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
>  
> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 1:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
> 
> You didn't end up hydro locking the engine?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 2, 2015, at 1:23 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> The engine got repeatedly overheated. A couple times by the previous owner, 
>> once or twice by me, until the head gasket couldn't handle it anymore...
>> That one was actually the best kind of head gasket failure, it just consumed 
>> some coolant and if you left the cap tight while the engine was off it would 
>> fill the cylinders with coolant. We drove it a few months like that until it 
>> needed injector return lines and I decided it wasn't worth it...
>> -Curt
>> 
>>      From: "dsereta...@yahoo.com" 
>> To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
>>  
>> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 1:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
>> 
>> How did the stuff ruin the head gasket?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 2, 2015, at 12:35 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I've never had it plug a radiator which is annoying because the time I used 
>>> it I was trying to plug a hole in a radiator. The previous owner of my MB 
>>> wagon had used it for the same reason with the same failed results.
>>> In both cases it plugged thermostats. Then it becomes the gift that keeps 
>>> on giving because its dammed hard to get the stuff back out... My '88 GMC I 
>>> became super adept at replacing thermostats. In the end I could do it in 10 
>>> minutes and lose only a cup of coolant. I always traveled with a spare. 
>>> Then when I got home I'd flush the cooling system AGAIN. I must have 
>>> flushed the system 20 times in the 4 years I drove it after adding the 
>>> stuff.My wagon I managed to do a better flush because I got all the stuff 
>>> out and never clogged another thermostat but the damage was already done, 
>>> the head gasket was toast. The car wasn't worth paying somebody to replace 
>>> it and I didn't have the facilities, tools, knowledge or friends at that 
>>> time to fix it myself...
>>> -Curt
>>>      From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>> To: dsereta...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List  
>>> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 12:20 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
>>> 
> On 01/03/2015 4:55 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote:
> 
> From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
> Date: March 1, 2015 at 4:48:56 PM EST
> To: G Mann 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
> 
> If I discover a head leak I will pour some of that leak sealer in the 
> coolant system.
>>> 
>>> And, in so doing will ruin the heater core and the radiator . . .
>>> 
>>> RB
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - CITI Replaces AMEX @ Costco

Although functionally there is not a great deal of difference, they are 
different corporate entities.


--R



On 3/2/15 1:25 PM, Mike Esh wrote:

Oh, yea, Costco--Sam's
It must be Monday!

Michael E. Esh
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On Mar 02, 2015, at 01:19 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
 wrote:



Yes, you are missing the difference between Costco and Sams

--R



On 3/2/15 1:17 PM, Mike Esh via Mercedes wrote:

Am I missing something?
I used my Mastercard Credit Card at Sam's today. It is not affiliated
with Sam's in any way.
Mike
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On Mar 02, 2015, at 12:36 PM, Russ Williams via Mercedes
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

It will be a Citi Visa card according to the talking heads.
On Mon,3/2/15 09:48, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Citi what? They have debit cards which are already accepted at hte
pharmacy.
On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 9:57 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:

Just saw something come across the wire about Citigroup replacing
AMEX for
Costco's card services.
Dan
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Re: [MBZ] OT - CITI Replaces AMEX @ Costco

i am very unenthused about applying for yet another credit card.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 1:33 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> IIRC, you can use MC or Visa debit cards at Sam's, but NOT Visa credit
> cards, only MC.  I am almost 100% positive of this, as I've tried to use my
> dual function Visa at Sam's as a credit card and they won't do it.
>
> Dan
>
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> > On Mar 2, 2015, at 1:17 PM, Mike Esh via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > Am I missing something?
> > I used my Mastercard Credit Card at Sam's today.  It is not affiliated
> with Sam's in any way.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > michael...@mac.com
> > (C) 231.286.2344
> >
> >
> >> On Mar 02, 2015, at 12:36 PM, Russ Williams via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> It will be a Citi Visa card according to the talking heads.
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Mon,3/2/15 09:48, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> Citi what? They have debit cards which are already accepted at hte
> >>> pharmacy.
> >>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 9:57 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>  Just saw something come across the wire about Citigroup replacing
> AMEX for
>  Costco's card services.
>  Dan
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Re: [MBZ] ML

My neighbor has a friend who won't let anybody get his truck dirty. When you 
get in he wants you to close the door very gently, has a brush to clean your 
shoes with. You can't touch anything when you ride with him, he'd have to clean 
it afterward. Washes and details the truck every weekend.He got pissed when I 
wouldn't let him use my truck to haul home a washing machine. I told him to get 
out his testicles and actually use his truck as a truck rather than a 
compensator.
He don't like me much which is okay since I don't like him either.
-Curt
  From: OK Don via Mercedes 
 To: G Mann ; Mercedes Discussion List 

 Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 1:40 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] ML

When I bought my F150 two years ago the dealer referred to those trucks as
"pretty boy trucks". I bought a rather plain, single cab, 8' bed F150 for
$21,000. I think of it as a working truck - scratched the bed the second
day I had hauling a new air compressor home.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 11:49 AM, G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Just what I need. A $71,000 truck to haul the groceries home with,
> which now cost triple what they did 8 years ago..
>

OK Don

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

Funny stuff! Did you have cafe au lait oil?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 2, 2015, at 1:42 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Well yeah but I realized what had happened. I pulled the glow plugs and 
> cranked it to get the water out. Put 'em back in and it ran. If I left the 
> cap loose it wasn't a problem.
> -Curt
>  From: "dsereta...@yahoo.com" 
> To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
>  
> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 1:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
> 
> You didn't end up hydro locking the engine?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 2, 2015, at 1:23 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> The engine got repeatedly overheated. A couple times by the previous owner, 
>> once or twice by me, until the head gasket couldn't handle it anymore...
>> That one was actually the best kind of head gasket failure, it just consumed 
>> some coolant and if you left the cap tight while the engine was off it would 
>> fill the cylinders with coolant. We drove it a few months like that until it 
>> needed injector return lines and I decided it wasn't worth it...
>> -Curt
>> 
>>   From: "dsereta...@yahoo.com" 
>> To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
>>  
>> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 1:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
>> 
>> How did the stuff ruin the head gasket?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 2, 2015, at 12:35 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I've never had it plug a radiator which is annoying because the time I used 
>>> it I was trying to plug a hole in a radiator. The previous owner of my MB 
>>> wagon had used it for the same reason with the same failed results.
>>> In both cases it plugged thermostats. Then it becomes the gift that keeps 
>>> on giving because its dammed hard to get the stuff back out... My '88 GMC I 
>>> became super adept at replacing thermostats. In the end I could do it in 10 
>>> minutes and lose only a cup of coolant. I always traveled with a spare. 
>>> Then when I got home I'd flush the cooling system AGAIN. I must have 
>>> flushed the system 20 times in the 4 years I drove it after adding the 
>>> stuff.My wagon I managed to do a better flush because I got all the stuff 
>>> out and never clogged another thermostat but the damage was already done, 
>>> the head gasket was toast. The car wasn't worth paying somebody to replace 
>>> it and I didn't have the facilities, tools, knowledge or friends at that 
>>> time to fix it myself...
>>> -Curt
>>>   From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>> To: dsereta...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List  
>>> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 12:20 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
>>> 
> On 01/03/2015 4:55 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote:
> 
> From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
> Date: March 1, 2015 at 4:48:56 PM EST
> To: G Mann 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
> 
> If I discover a head leak I will pour some of that leak sealer in the 
> coolant system.
>>> 
>>> And, in so doing will ruin the heater core and the radiator . . .
>>> 
>>> RB
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] ML

2015-03-02 Thread OK Don via Mercedes

When I bought my F150 two years ago the dealer referred to those trucks as
"pretty boy trucks". I bought a rather plain, single cab, 8' bed F150 for
$21,000. I think of it as a working truck - scratched the bed the second
day I had hauling a new air compressor home.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 11:49 AM, G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Just what I need. A $71,000 truck to haul the groceries home with,
> which now cost triple what they did 8 years ago..
>

OK Don

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

Well yeah but I realized what had happened. I pulled the glow plugs and cranked 
it to get the water out. Put 'em back in and it ran. If I left the cap loose it 
wasn't a problem.
-Curt
  From: "dsereta...@yahoo.com" 
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 Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 1:33 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
   
You didn't end up hydro locking the engine?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 2, 2015, at 1:23 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> The engine got repeatedly overheated. A couple times by the previous owner, 
> once or twice by me, until the head gasket couldn't handle it anymore...
> That one was actually the best kind of head gasket failure, it just consumed 
> some coolant and if you left the cap tight while the engine was off it would 
> fill the cylinders with coolant. We drove it a few months like that until it 
> needed injector return lines and I decided it wasn't worth it...
> -Curt
> 
>      From: "dsereta...@yahoo.com" 
> To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
>  
> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 1:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
> 
> How did the stuff ruin the head gasket?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 2, 2015, at 12:35 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I've never had it plug a radiator which is annoying because the time I used 
>> it I was trying to plug a hole in a radiator. The previous owner of my MB 
>> wagon had used it for the same reason with the same failed results.
>> In both cases it plugged thermostats. Then it becomes the gift that keeps on 
>> giving because its dammed hard to get the stuff back out... My '88 GMC I 
>> became super adept at replacing thermostats. In the end I could do it in 10 
>> minutes and lose only a cup of coolant. I always traveled with a spare. Then 
>> when I got home I'd flush the cooling system AGAIN. I must have flushed the 
>> system 20 times in the 4 years I drove it after adding the stuff.My wagon I 
>> managed to do a better flush because I got all the stuff out and never 
>> clogged another thermostat but the damage was already done, the head gasket 
>> was toast. The car wasn't worth paying somebody to replace it and I didn't 
>> have the facilities, tools, knowledge or friends at that time to fix it 
>> myself...
>> -Curt
>>      From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>> To: dsereta...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List  
>> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 12:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
>> 
 On 01/03/2015 4:55 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote:
 
 From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
 Date: March 1, 2015 at 4:48:56 PM EST
 To: G Mann 
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
 
 If I discover a head leak I will pour some of that leak sealer in the 
 coolant system.
>> 
>> And, in so doing will ruin the heater core and the radiator . . .
>> 
>> RB
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

You didn't end up hydro locking the engine?

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> On Mar 2, 2015, at 1:23 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> The engine got repeatedly overheated. A couple times by the previous owner, 
> once or twice by me, until the head gasket couldn't handle it anymore...
> That one was actually the best kind of head gasket failure, it just consumed 
> some coolant and if you left the cap tight while the engine was off it would 
> fill the cylinders with coolant. We drove it a few months like that until it 
> needed injector return lines and I decided it wasn't worth it...
> -Curt
> 
>  From: "dsereta...@yahoo.com" 
> To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
>  
> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 1:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
> 
> How did the stuff ruin the head gasket?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 2, 2015, at 12:35 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I've never had it plug a radiator which is annoying because the time I used 
>> it I was trying to plug a hole in a radiator. The previous owner of my MB 
>> wagon had used it for the same reason with the same failed results.
>> In both cases it plugged thermostats. Then it becomes the gift that keeps on 
>> giving because its dammed hard to get the stuff back out... My '88 GMC I 
>> became super adept at replacing thermostats. In the end I could do it in 10 
>> minutes and lose only a cup of coolant. I always traveled with a spare. Then 
>> when I got home I'd flush the cooling system AGAIN. I must have flushed the 
>> system 20 times in the 4 years I drove it after adding the stuff.My wagon I 
>> managed to do a better flush because I got all the stuff out and never 
>> clogged another thermostat but the damage was already done, the head gasket 
>> was toast. The car wasn't worth paying somebody to replace it and I didn't 
>> have the facilities, tools, knowledge or friends at that time to fix it 
>> myself...
>> -Curt
>>   From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>> To: dsereta...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List  
>> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 12:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
>> 
 On 01/03/2015 4:55 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote:
 
 From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
 Date: March 1, 2015 at 4:48:56 PM EST
 To: G Mann 
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
 
 If I discover a head leak I will pour some of that leak sealer in the 
 coolant system.
>> 
>> And, in so doing will ruin the heater core and the radiator . . .
>> 
>> RB
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Re: [MBZ] OT - CITI Replaces AMEX @ Costco

IIRC, you can use MC or Visa debit cards at Sam's, but NOT Visa credit cards, 
only MC.  I am almost 100% positive of this, as I've tried to use my dual 
function Visa at Sam's as a credit card and they won't do it.

Dan

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> Am I missing something?
> I used my Mastercard Credit Card at Sam's today.  It is not affiliated with 
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>> On Mar 02, 2015, at 12:36 PM, Russ Williams via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> It will be a Citi Visa card according to the talking heads.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mon,3/2/15 09:48, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Citi what? They have debit cards which are already accepted at hte
>>> pharmacy.
>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 9:57 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 Just saw something come across the wire about Citigroup replacing AMEX for
 Costco's card services.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - CITI Replaces AMEX @ Costco

HA!
-CurtWho would have sent exactly the same email if Rich hadn't beat me to it.
  From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 1:19 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - CITI Replaces AMEX @ Costco
   
Yes, you are missing the difference between Costco and Sams

--R



On 3/2/15 1:17 PM, Mike Esh via Mercedes wrote:
> Am I missing something?
> I used my Mastercard Credit Card at Sam's today.  It is not affiliated 
> with Sam's in any way.
>
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>
> On Mar 02, 2015, at 12:36 PM, Russ Williams via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>
>> It will be a Citi Visa card according to the talking heads.
>>
>>
>> On Mon,3/2/15 09:48, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Citi what? They have debit cards which are already accepted at hte
>>> pharmacy.
>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 9:57 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 Just saw something come across the wire about Citigroup replacing 
 AMEX for
 Costco's card services.
 Dan
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Re: [MBZ] OT - CITI Replaces AMEX @ Costco

2015-03-02 Thread Mike Esh via Mercedes


Oh, yea, Costco--Sam's
It must be Monday!

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On Mar 02, 2015, at 01:19 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes  
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Yes, you are missing the difference between Costco and Sams

--R



On 3/2/15 1:17 PM, Mike Esh via Mercedes wrote:

Am I missing something?
I used my Mastercard Credit Card at Sam's today. It is not affiliated
with Sam's in any way.
Mike
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On Mar 02, 2015, at 12:36 PM, Russ Williams via Mercedes
 wrote:

It will be a Citi Visa card according to the talking heads.
On Mon,3/2/15 09:48, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Citi what? They have debit cards which are already accepted at hte
pharmacy.
On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 9:57 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Just saw something come across the wire about Citigroup replacing
AMEX for
Costco's card services.
Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

The engine got repeatedly overheated. A couple times by the previous owner, 
once or twice by me, until the head gasket couldn't handle it anymore...
That one was actually the best kind of head gasket failure, it just consumed 
some coolant and if you left the cap tight while the engine was off it would 
fill the cylinders with coolant. We drove it a few months like that until it 
needed injector return lines and I decided it wasn't worth it...
-Curt

  From: "dsereta...@yahoo.com" 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 1:17 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
   
How did the stuff ruin the head gasket?

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> On Mar 2, 2015, at 12:35 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I've never had it plug a radiator which is annoying because the time I used 
> it I was trying to plug a hole in a radiator. The previous owner of my MB 
> wagon had used it for the same reason with the same failed results.
> In both cases it plugged thermostats. Then it becomes the gift that keeps on 
> giving because its dammed hard to get the stuff back out... My '88 GMC I 
> became super adept at replacing thermostats. In the end I could do it in 10 
> minutes and lose only a cup of coolant. I always traveled with a spare. Then 
> when I got home I'd flush the cooling system AGAIN. I must have flushed the 
> system 20 times in the 4 years I drove it after adding the stuff.My wagon I 
> managed to do a better flush because I got all the stuff out and never 
> clogged another thermostat but the damage was already done, the head gasket 
> was toast. The car wasn't worth paying somebody to replace it and I didn't 
> have the facilities, tools, knowledge or friends at that time to fix it 
> myself...
> -Curt
>      From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
> To: dsereta...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List  
> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 12:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
> 
>> On 01/03/2015 4:55 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>>> From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
>>> Date: March 1, 2015 at 4:48:56 PM EST
>>> To: G Mann 
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
>>> 
>>> If I discover a head leak I will pour some of that leak sealer in the 
>>> coolant system.
> 
> And, in so doing will ruin the heater core and the radiator . . .
> 
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] OT - CITI Replaces AMEX @ Costco


Yes, you are missing the difference between Costco and Sams

--R



On 3/2/15 1:17 PM, Mike Esh via Mercedes wrote:

Am I missing something?
I used my Mastercard Credit Card at Sam's today.  It is not affiliated 
with Sam's in any way.


Mike

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On Mar 02, 2015, at 12:36 PM, Russ Williams via Mercedes 
 wrote:



It will be a Citi Visa card according to the talking heads.


On Mon,3/2/15 09:48, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Citi what? They have debit cards which are already accepted at hte
pharmacy.
On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 9:57 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
Just saw something come across the wire about Citigroup replacing 
AMEX for

Costco's card services.
Dan
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Re: [MBZ] OT - CITI Replaces AMEX @ Costco

2015-03-02 Thread Mike Esh via Mercedes

Am I missing something?
I used my Mastercard Credit Card at Sam's today. It is not affiliated with
Sam's in any way.

Mike

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On Mar 02, 2015, at 12:36 PM, Russ Williams via Mercedes
wrote:

It will be a Citi Visa card according to the talking heads.

On Mon,3/2/15 09:48, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Citi what? They have debit cards which are already accepted at hte
pharmacy.
On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 9:57 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Just saw something come across the wire about Citigroup replacing AMEX for
Costco's card services.
Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

How did the stuff ruin the head gasket?

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> On Mar 2, 2015, at 12:35 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I've never had it plug a radiator which is annoying because the time I used 
> it I was trying to plug a hole in a radiator. The previous owner of my MB 
> wagon had used it for the same reason with the same failed results.
> In both cases it plugged thermostats. Then it becomes the gift that keeps on 
> giving because its dammed hard to get the stuff back out... My '88 GMC I 
> became super adept at replacing thermostats. In the end I could do it in 10 
> minutes and lose only a cup of coolant. I always traveled with a spare. Then 
> when I got home I'd flush the cooling system AGAIN. I must have flushed the 
> system 20 times in the 4 years I drove it after adding the stuff.My wagon I 
> managed to do a better flush because I got all the stuff out and never 
> clogged another thermostat but the damage was already done, the head gasket 
> was toast. The car wasn't worth paying somebody to replace it and I didn't 
> have the facilities, tools, knowledge or friends at that time to fix it 
> myself...
> -Curt
>  From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
> To: dsereta...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List  
> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 12:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
> 
>> On 01/03/2015 4:55 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>>> From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
>>> Date: March 1, 2015 at 4:48:56 PM EST
>>> To: G Mann 
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
>>> 
>>> If I discover a head leak I will pour some of that leak sealer in the 
>>> coolant system.
> 
> And, in so doing will ruin the heater core and the radiator . . .
> 
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

The passages in the heater core and radiator are pretty small and these 
sorts of problems usually occur in older vehicles that are likely 
already partly plugged up. I used some of the rad seal junk in my 68 
Chevy pickup and ended up with it overheating before very long. I had to 
have the rad recored and the heater core flushed out. I swore I would 
never use that stuff again. I suppose if I was a long way from home with 
a leak of sorts and just needed to get home, I might be tempted but if I 
was near home, I would never put anything like that in my vehicle.


RB


On 02/03/2015 11:35 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

I've never had it plug a radiator which is annoying because the time I used it 
I was trying to plug a hole in a radiator. The previous owner of my MB wagon 
had used it for the same reason with the same failed results.
In both cases it plugged thermostats. Then it becomes the gift that keeps on 
giving because its dammed hard to get the stuff back out... My '88 GMC I became 
super adept at replacing thermostats. In the end I could do it in 10 minutes 
and lose only a cup of coolant. I always traveled with a spare. Then when I got 
home I'd flush the cooling system AGAIN. I must have flushed the system 20 
times in the 4 years I drove it after adding the stuff.My wagon I managed to do 
a better flush because I got all the stuff out and never clogged another 
thermostat but the damage was already done, the head gasket was toast. The car 
wasn't worth paying somebody to replace it and I didn't have the facilities, 
tools, knowledge or friends at that time to fix it myself...
-Curt
   From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
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  Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 12:20 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

On 01/03/2015 4:55 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote:

From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
Date: March 1, 2015 at 4:48:56 PM EST
To: G Mann 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

If I discover a head leak I will pour some of that leak sealer in the coolant 
system.



And, in so doing will ruin the heater core and the radiator . . .

RB



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Re: [MBZ] ML

2015-03-02 Thread G Mann via Mercedes

Just what I need. A $71,000 truck to haul the groceries home with,
which now cost triple what they did 8 years ago..

For that kind of money, I can buy an up-armored retired military
vehicle [with diesel engine of course] and provide some real
protection for those groceries.. What next? Refrigerators with bank
vault doors to protect the two slices of bacon you could afford to buy
after buying the $71,000 truck?

Progress, some days I can barely recognize it... It makes me want to
laugh till I cry.

On 3/2/15, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  wrote:
> Goes to show you how closely I looked at it.  They had a diesel and a gasser
> next to each other. The gasser was $69k and the diesel $72k, both sticker
> prices.
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Mar 2, 2015, at 11:10 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>>
>> f150 does not have a diesel available. The only 1/2 ton truck with diesel
>> is dodge either the ecodiesel. The f150 is the new all aluminum truck and
>> if it was 70k it was probably a platinum or King ranch. The basic xlt is
>> still going to be close to 60k.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Mar 2, 2015, at 6:26 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> If it's any consolation, while we were at the Strawberry Festival
>>> yesterday I looked at some Frod pickup trucks the local dealers had on
>>> display. An F150 dressed out with a diesel was *gulp* over $71,000!
>>>
>>> I laughed maniacally when I saw it. A guy who was manning the booth next
>>> to it laughed when he heard me. "I hear that all day long whenever people
>>> look at that."
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>>
 On Mar 1, 2015, at 10:04 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes
  wrote:

 Was listed $45k or so, I beat on them a bit as it had been there awhile
 and the weather up there has been bad so they have not been moving iron.
 I stopped at another dealer yesterday morning on the way to see this
 one, a very similar car had literally just come in from a Daimler
 employee, they were fixing yo do the CPO inspection, about the same
 price. There's one in CO that's nice too, a bit more but 2014. They
 wanted to send it to me. There's a bunch around similar prices.  MB
 announces a new CpO deal tomorrow.

 We drove a 2012 bluetec GL, it was noticeably less peppy and the engine
 and tranny were really working to move the car. We drove a GL 450 and it
 moved like the bluetec ML. Gas v diesel is probably a wash on fuel
 costs.

 --R (sent from my miniPad)
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Re: [MBZ] OT - CITI Replaces AMEX @ Costco

2015-03-02 Thread Russ Williams via Mercedes


It will be a Citi Visa card according to the talking heads.


On Mon,3/2/15 09:48, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Citi what?  They have debit cards which are already accepted at hte
pharmacy.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 9:57 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Just saw something come across the wire about Citigroup replacing AMEX for
Costco's card services.

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

I've never had it plug a radiator which is annoying because the time I used it 
I was trying to plug a hole in a radiator. The previous owner of my MB wagon 
had used it for the same reason with the same failed results.
In both cases it plugged thermostats. Then it becomes the gift that keeps on 
giving because its dammed hard to get the stuff back out... My '88 GMC I became 
super adept at replacing thermostats. In the end I could do it in 10 minutes 
and lose only a cup of coolant. I always traveled with a spare. Then when I got 
home I'd flush the cooling system AGAIN. I must have flushed the system 20 
times in the 4 years I drove it after adding the stuff.My wagon I managed to do 
a better flush because I got all the stuff out and never clogged another 
thermostat but the damage was already done, the head gasket was toast. The car 
wasn't worth paying somebody to replace it and I didn't have the facilities, 
tools, knowledge or friends at that time to fix it myself...
-Curt
  From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 To: dsereta...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List  
 Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 12:20 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
   
On 01/03/2015 4:55 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
>> Date: March 1, 2015 at 4:48:56 PM EST
>> To: G Mann 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info
>>
>> If I discover a head leak I will pour some of that leak sealer in the 
>> coolant system.
>>
>>

And, in so doing will ruin the heater core and the radiator . . .

RB



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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

I've never been real excited about how they rode either, the Prius in 
particular has quite hard seats...
Interestingly some people have fantastic results and keep them going forever to 
stupid high mileages. I dated a girl who had a Chevy Nova (rebadged Toyota 
Tercel I think it was) that had over 300,000 miles. I asked and she told me 
they'd replaced the clutch once... It was a crapbox of a car in every regard 
but they sure wound the mileage onto it.Other people have truly rotten luck 
with them, no mileage, major failures at massive expense. Its an interesting 
spread.
-Curt
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 To: "arche...@embarqmail.com" ; Mercedes Discussion 
List  
 Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 12:18 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
   
Well, I think we need to wait a bit.
My Mercedes is 39 years old.
Let us see how the Prius is at that age.
My experience with the Toyotas that I have owned has not been great.
2 of them rusted away and the 3rd one committed suicide before I managed 
to fix all of the other known faults.

RB



On 01/03/2015 3:47 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
> ROFL!!! Pity the poor Prius! All it does is get 50 mpg and rarely needs 
> repairs. The Koreans just came out with a cheaper pure electric that goes 95 
> miles between charges and has a 110v outlet so you can use it during power 
> outages.
> Local Prius dealer says he can't keep all colors in stock and some have to be 
> backordered. Reminds me of the Beetles, those well hated "German" cars, 
> during the '50s and '60s.
> You guys might as well get used to hyrid cars and pure electrics since all 
> the manufacturers are making them; even Mercedes. Toyota was just the first 
> with a good one.
> I don't love any car; I just like them when they do what they are supposed to 
> do.
> Gerry
> BTW, I just had a local retiree offer me $5000 for my (R.I.P.) wifes pristine 
> '83 240D that she dearly loved. I turned him down. Its too much like a member 
> of the family.
>
> Dwight Giles wrote:
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info

On 01/03/2015 4:55 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote:

From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
Date: March 1, 2015 at 4:48:56 PM EST
To: G Mann 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info

If I discover a head leak I will pour some of that leak sealer in the coolant 
system.

And, in so doing will ruin the heater core and the radiator . . .

RB

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Fwd: Overheating 240D more info


Well, I think we need to wait a bit.
My Mercedes is 39 years old.
Let us see how the Prius is at that age.
My experience with the Toyotas that I have owned has not been great.
2 of them rusted away and the 3rd one committed suicide before I managed 
to fix all of the other known faults.


RB

On 01/03/2015 3:47 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:

ROFL!!! Pity the poor Prius! All it does is get 50 mpg and rarely needs 
repairs. The Koreans just came out with a cheaper pure electric that goes 95 
miles between charges and has a 110v outlet so you can use it during power 
outages.
Local Prius dealer says he can't keep all colors in stock and some have to be 
backordered. Reminds me of the Beetles, those well hated "German" cars, during 
the '50s and '60s.
You guys might as well get used to hyrid cars and pure electrics since all the 
manufacturers are making them; even Mercedes. Toyota was just the first with a 
good one.
I don't love any car; I just like them when they do what they are supposed to 
do.
Gerry
BTW, I just had a local retiree offer me $5000 for my (R.I.P.) wifes pristine 
'83 240D that she dearly loved. I turned him down. Its too much like a member 
of the family.

Dwight Giles wrote:
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Re: [MBZ] OT - CITI Replaces AMEX @ Costco


Costco accepts any debit cards but only the Amex CREDIT card.

--R


On 3/2/15 10:48 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Citi what?  They have debit cards which are already accepted at hte
pharmacy.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 9:57 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Just saw something come across the wire about Citigroup replacing AMEX for
Costco's card services.

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] OT - CITI Replaces AMEX @ Costco

LOL.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Did you fill it with gas?
>
> --R
>
>
>
> On 3/2/15 11:03 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> I used an unbranded Amex car at Costco without any problems.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] ML

Goes to show you how closely I looked at it.  They had a diesel and a gasser 
next to each other. The gasser was $69k and the diesel $72k, both sticker 
prices.

Dan

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> On Mar 2, 2015, at 11:10 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> f150 does not have a diesel available. The only 1/2 ton truck with diesel is 
> dodge either the ecodiesel. The f150 is the new all aluminum truck and if it 
> was 70k it was probably a platinum or King ranch. The basic xlt is still 
> going to be close to 60k.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 2, 2015, at 6:26 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> If it's any consolation, while we were at the Strawberry Festival yesterday 
>> I looked at some Frod pickup trucks the local dealers had on display. An 
>> F150 dressed out with a diesel was *gulp* over $71,000!
>> 
>> I laughed maniacally when I saw it. A guy who was manning the booth next to 
>> it laughed when he heard me. "I hear that all day long whenever people look 
>> at that."
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 1, 2015, at 10:04 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Was listed $45k or so, I beat on them a bit as it had been there awhile and 
>>> the weather up there has been bad so they have not been moving iron. I 
>>> stopped at another dealer yesterday morning on the way to see this one, a 
>>> very similar car had literally just come in from a Daimler employee, they 
>>> were fixing yo do the CPO inspection, about the same price. There's one in 
>>> CO that's nice too, a bit more but 2014. They wanted to send it to me. 
>>> There's a bunch around similar prices.  MB announces a new CpO deal 
>>> tomorrow. 
>>> 
>>> We drove a 2012 bluetec GL, it was noticeably less peppy and the engine and 
>>> tranny were really working to move the car. We drove a GL 450 and it moved 
>>> like the bluetec ML. Gas v diesel is probably a wash on fuel costs. 
>>> 
>>> --R (sent from my miniPad)
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Re: [MBZ] ML

I had an STX down to $28k last fall. I offered $25k but he wouldn't budge.
One thing I found interesting was that neither of the dealers near us had the 
ecoboost engines in many trucks. I'd wanted to try one but they always 
countered with "nobody buys those". Well sure, nobody buys the trucks you don't 
have...
-Curt
  From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
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 Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 11:10 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] ML
   
f150 does not have a diesel available. The only 1/2 ton truck with diesel is 
dodge either the ecodiesel. The f150 is the new all aluminum truck and if it 
was 70k it was probably a platinum or King ranch. The basic xlt is still going 
to be close to 60k.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 2, 2015, at 6:26 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> If it's any consolation, while we were at the Strawberry Festival yesterday I 
> looked at some Frod pickup trucks the local dealers had on display. An F150 
> dressed out with a diesel was *gulp* over $71,000!
> 
> I laughed maniacally when I saw it. A guy who was manning the booth next to 
> it laughed when he heard me. "I hear that all day long whenever people look 
> at that."
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Mar 1, 2015, at 10:04 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Was listed $45k or so, I beat on them a bit as it had been there awhile and 
>> the weather up there has been bad so they have not been moving iron. I 
>> stopped at another dealer yesterday morning on the way to see this one, a 
>> very similar car had literally just come in from a Daimler employee, they 
>> were fixing yo do the CPO inspection, about the same price. There's one in 
>> CO that's nice too, a bit more but 2014. They wanted to send it to me. 
>> There's a bunch around similar prices.  MB announces a new CpO deal 
>> tomorrow. 
>> 
>> We drove a 2012 bluetec GL, it was noticeably less peppy and the engine and 
>> tranny were really working to move the car. We drove a GL 450 and it moved 
>> like the bluetec ML. Gas v diesel is probably a wash on fuel costs. 
>> 
>> --R (sent from my miniPad)
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Re: [MBZ] OT - CITI Replaces AMEX @ Costco


Did you fill it with gas?

--R



On 3/2/15 11:03 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

I used an unbranded Amex car at Costco without any problems.



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Re: [MBZ] ML

I'm reasonably sure Ford doesn't offer a diesel in the F150 in the USA, only 
the F250 and higher. There are 3 engines for the F150, the 2.7l ecoboost v6, 
3.5l ecoboost v6 and venerable 5.0l v8. They might still offer a non-turbo v6 
but I'm not sure.
None of the above are to be confused with Dodge's ecodiesel.
I read the other night where Chevy is planning a diesel 4cyl for the new 
Colorado with speculation this might lead to a 30mpg pickup...
-Curt
  From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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 Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 11:00 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] ML
   
But that has the new super light aluminium body, right?

On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 7:26 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> If it's any consolation, while we were at the Strawberry Festival
> yesterday I looked at some Frod pickup trucks the local dealers had on
> display. An F150 dressed out with a diesel was *gulp* over $71,000!
>
> I laughed maniacally when I saw it. A guy who was manning the booth next
> to it laughed when he heard me. "I hear that all day long whenever people
> look at that."
>
> Dan
>
>
> > On Mar 1, 2015, at 10:04 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Was listed $45k or so, I beat on them a bit as it had been there awhile
> and the weather up there has been bad so they have not been moving iron. I
> stopped at another dealer yesterday morning on the way to see this one, a
> very similar car had literally just come in from a Daimler employee, they
> were fixing yo do the CPO inspection, about the same price. There's one in
> CO that's nice too, a bit more but 2014. They wanted to send it to me.
> There's a bunch around similar prices.  MB announces a new CpO deal
> tomorrow.
> >
> > We drove a 2012 bluetec GL, it was noticeably less peppy and the engine
> and tranny were really working to move the car. We drove a GL 450 and it
> moved like the bluetec ML. Gas v diesel is probably a wash on fuel costs.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] ML

Yeah I think they do.  They started with the 150 and will be rolling 
them into the other weights.


That is a lot of ching for a truck though, no matter how nice.  I guess 
I'll keep my 96 Chebby going a few decades more.


--R



On 3/2/15 11:04 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Beats me.  I really didn't look that closely at it, as I have no interest in 
trucks of any sort.

I knew pickups were expensive these day, but holy cow!

You could buy a pretty nice MB for that kind of coin.

Dan

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On Mar 2, 2015, at 11:00 AM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:

But that has the new super light aluminium body, right?


On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 7:26 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
wrote:
If it's any consolation, while we were at the Strawberry Festival yesterday I 
looked at some Frod pickup trucks the local dealers had on display. An F150 
dressed out with a diesel was *gulp* over $71,000!

I laughed maniacally when I saw it. A guy who was manning the booth next to it laughed 
when he heard me. "I hear that all day long whenever people look at that."

Dan


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Re: [MBZ] ML

f150 does not have a diesel available. The only 1/2 ton truck with diesel is 
dodge either the ecodiesel. The f150 is the new all aluminum truck and if it 
was 70k it was probably a platinum or King ranch. The basic xlt is still going 
to be close to 60k.

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> On Mar 2, 2015, at 6:26 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> If it's any consolation, while we were at the Strawberry Festival yesterday I 
> looked at some Frod pickup trucks the local dealers had on display. An F150 
> dressed out with a diesel was *gulp* over $71,000!
> 
> I laughed maniacally when I saw it. A guy who was manning the booth next to 
> it laughed when he heard me. "I hear that all day long whenever people look 
> at that."
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Mar 1, 2015, at 10:04 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Was listed $45k or so, I beat on them a bit as it had been there awhile and 
>> the weather up there has been bad so they have not been moving iron. I 
>> stopped at another dealer yesterday morning on the way to see this one, a 
>> very similar car had literally just come in from a Daimler employee, they 
>> were fixing yo do the CPO inspection, about the same price. There's one in 
>> CO that's nice too, a bit more but 2014. They wanted to send it to me. 
>> There's a bunch around similar prices.  MB announces a new CpO deal 
>> tomorrow. 
>> 
>> We drove a 2012 bluetec GL, it was noticeably less peppy and the engine and 
>> tranny were really working to move the car. We drove a GL 450 and it moved 
>> like the bluetec ML. Gas v diesel is probably a wash on fuel costs. 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] ML

Beats me.  I really didn't look that closely at it, as I have no interest in 
trucks of any sort.

I knew pickups were expensive these day, but holy cow!

You could buy a pretty nice MB for that kind of coin.

Dan

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> On Mar 2, 2015, at 11:00 AM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> But that has the new super light aluminium body, right?
> 
>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 7:26 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> If it's any consolation, while we were at the Strawberry Festival yesterday 
>> I looked at some Frod pickup trucks the local dealers had on display. An 
>> F150 dressed out with a diesel was *gulp* over $71,000!
>> 
>> I laughed maniacally when I saw it. A guy who was manning the booth next to 
>> it laughed when he heard me. "I hear that all day long whenever people look 
>> at that."
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - CITI Replaces AMEX @ Costco

I used an unbranded Amex car at Costco without any problems.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> I presume it means that Citi will issue a branded card for Costco members
> with perks, much like the former AMEX card they offered.
>
> Dan
>
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> > On Mar 2, 2015, at 10:48 AM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> wrote:
> >
> > Citi what?  They have debit cards which are already accepted at hte
> pharmacy.
> >
> >> On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 9:57 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> Just saw something come across the wire about Citigroup replacing AMEX
> for Costco's card services.
> >>
> >> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] ML

But that has the new super light aluminium body, right?

On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 7:26 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> If it's any consolation, while we were at the Strawberry Festival
> yesterday I looked at some Frod pickup trucks the local dealers had on
> display. An F150 dressed out with a diesel was *gulp* over $71,000!
>
> I laughed maniacally when I saw it. A guy who was manning the booth next
> to it laughed when he heard me. "I hear that all day long whenever people
> look at that."
>
> Dan
>
>
> > On Mar 1, 2015, at 10:04 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Was listed $45k or so, I beat on them a bit as it had been there awhile
> and the weather up there has been bad so they have not been moving iron. I
> stopped at another dealer yesterday morning on the way to see this one, a
> very similar car had literally just come in from a Daimler employee, they
> were fixing yo do the CPO inspection, about the same price. There's one in
> CO that's nice too, a bit more but 2014. They wanted to send it to me.
> There's a bunch around similar prices.  MB announces a new CpO deal
> tomorrow.
> >
> > We drove a 2012 bluetec GL, it was noticeably less peppy and the engine
> and tranny were really working to move the car. We drove a GL 450 and it
> moved like the bluetec ML. Gas v diesel is probably a wash on fuel costs.
> >
> > --R (sent from my miniPad)
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[MBZ] Steering Wheel Refurb

Got my $20 steering wheel on Saturday. Got the remains of the leather off of 
it.  One side is intact, so I should have a good pattern to work from.

The wood parts are in pretty good shape. There are some cracks, but the wood is 
solid and nothing is loose or lifted around the cracked parts.

I got some vinyl paint from the local FLAPS yesterday and had at it. I cleaned 
the wheel with solvent and masked off the non-covered portions.  I was able to 
lay down several thin coats last night, but I'm not 100% pleased with the 
results. The finish I chose was glossy, but in some areas it's dull.  There 
doesn't seem to be a pattern, but after a light coat the same areas show up 
dull.

Hmm.

Ebay is the place for leather scraps. I found some really nice black leather of 
the proper weight for about $18 shipped for a little over 2-1/2 square feet, 
which should be plenty.  That would arrive on Thursday.

I did take pictures which I'll link to tonight.

By the time I'm done with everything I'm thinking I'll have under $60 in this.

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] OT - CITI Replaces AMEX @ Costco

I presume it means that Citi will issue a branded card for Costco members with 
perks, much like the former AMEX card they offered.

Dan

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> On Mar 2, 2015, at 10:48 AM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> Citi what?  They have debit cards which are already accepted at hte pharmacy.
> 
>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 9:57 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> Just saw something come across the wire about Citigroup replacing AMEX for 
>> Costco's card services.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - CITI Replaces AMEX @ Costco

Citi what?  They have debit cards which are already accepted at hte
pharmacy.

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Just saw something come across the wire about Citigroup replacing AMEX for
> Costco's card services.
>
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Re: [MBZ] ISO decent used W123 RF turn signal lens

Fred,

Check's in the mail.

I love the new orange lens even though it does not match the yellow lens on
tghe other side.  I'd like to purchase the correpsonding driver's side turn
signal lens (orange) as well if you have one. I'd give you $25 for it.

Thanks,

Andrew

On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 9:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
wrote:

> That was a very speedy camel cart - the lens arrived today and it's
> beautiful.  :)
>
> I'll mail you a check unless you'd prefer a123 part instead.  If so, let
> me know what you need.
>
> Thanks a ton,
>
> Andrew
>
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:20 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Andrew.It's on the way. Camel cart.
>>
>> Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.
>>
>> Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 16:43:43 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] ISO decent used W123 RF turn signal lens
>> From: astrasfo...@gmail.com
>> To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com
>>
>> Fred,
>>
>> Great - thanks!.  I'm at 7913 Cypress Grove Lane, Cabin John, MD 20818.
>> Please make sure it's the passenger side lens.  I'll send you a check or
>> something you may need, that I have.  Let me know.
>>
>> Andrew
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Re: [MBZ] OT "Global warming" (aka climate change), linked to frigid winter

We had our first real ice storm yesterday.  Started as snow then rained
hard with temps. below freezing.  Today was a wintry wonderland, but it's
gotten warmer so I was ably to safely commute.

Andrew (DC Area)

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> Peter wrote:
> >One more blast of cold air and
> >low temps below 10F and I think >winter is done.
> ‎
> I hope you're right Peter. Two miserable winters in a row is enough for a
> few years...
> ‎
> >I'm ready for spring.
>
> That would make at least two of us.
>
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[MBZ] OT - CITI Replaces AMEX @ Costco