Re: [MBZ] 77 240D glow system woe

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

123.  Big wire that feeds power to the 80A fuse goes from engine side back 
through firewall, driver's side.
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'95 E300

On February 6, 2016 11:55:20 PM EST, fmiser via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>
>115 or 123?
>
>I converted my '78 to parallel plugs and added a relay - but
>I don't remember what was there originally.  I think there is
>a relay, but I don't think it was under the dash.
>
>I'm pretty sure the 115 doesn't have a relay.
>


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Re: [MBZ] 77 240D glow system woe

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Thanks Scott.  Does the knee bolster panel need to come out?
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'95 E300

On February 7, 2016 1:16:51 AM EST, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>As I recall, the relay on my 79 TD was under the dash over the driver's
>feet.
>
>

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[MBZ] Contact cleaner

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Which is the contact cleaner best for the TS stalk?  Where is the 
best place to buy it?


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Re: [MBZ] 77 240D glow system woe

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Well the under dash panel, I would not really call it a knee bolster 

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> On Feb 7, 2016, at 3:11 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Scott.  Does the knee bolster panel need to come out?
> -- 
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> Charleston SC
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> '95 E300
> 
>> On February 7, 2016 1:16:51 AM EST, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> As I recall, the relay on my 79 TD was under the dash over the driver's
>> feet.
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Re: [MBZ] 77 240D glow system woe

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

That is correct

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> On Feb 7, 2016, at 12:16 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> As I recall, the relay on my 79 TD was under the dash over the driver's
> feet.
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
>> Max Dillon via Mercedes
>> Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2016 9:26 PM
>> To: Mercedes 
>> Cc: Max Dillon 
>> Subject: [MBZ] 77 240D glow system woe
>> 
>> Newbie owner of subject vehicle asked me to help diagnose a "no glow"
>> condition.  Car has original loop style plugs, new Bosch plugs about six
>> months old.  Local indie Mercedes place that I trust put in the new plugs,
> and
>> system worked fine until last week.
>> 
>> I put in a new fuse, but there is no voltage getting to the 80A fuse on
> the
>> firewall.
>> 
>> Is this likely to be a pre-glow relay failure?
>> 
>> Is the pre-glow relay under the dash?
>> 
>> Is this a relay that can be repaired?
>> --
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> '87 300TD
>> '95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] 77 240D glow system woe

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Kaleb,
Have a good spare you can sell?
--
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300


If the bay of fleas does not have one, I may be able to find you one 
tomorrow when I go to find the relay for my SDL.


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Re: [MBZ] Finally got it home

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Good to know.  I never asked/tried it.

I love my tinted windows.  They decrease the heat load on the cabin 
significantly.  While I go for the visible tint, my tint guy has all different 
shades of it, some that’s almost clear and imperceptible for those who don’t 
want to darkening of the glass.

Dan

> On Feb 7, 2016, at 12:02 AM, fmiser via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> It actually dissolves the plastic.  For the same reason,
> ammonia based cleaners should not be used on Plexiglas.
> 
> The damage is immediate.  As in - spray on, wipe - uh oh.
> The surface is no longer smooth, it is a matte finish.  But
> because the application was not perfectly even, neither is
> the frosted glass effect.
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Re: [MBZ] 77 240D glow system woe

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Kaleb, 
Have a good spare you can sell?
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'95 E300

On February 7, 2016 9:09:59 AM EST, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
 wrote:
>Well the under dash panel, I would not really call it a knee bolster 
>
>Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Contact cleaner

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

There is only one choice in contact cleaners, de-oxit. If you've still got a 
Radio Schmuck they've got a small overpriced can. Amazon can hook you up 
otherwise.


Curt

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From:"Curly McLain via Mercedes" 
Date:Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 10:33 AM
Subject:[MBZ] Contact cleaner

Which is the contact cleaner best for the TS stalk?  Where is the 
best place to buy it?



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Re: [MBZ] 77 240D glow system woe

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I do not

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> On Feb 7, 2016, at 8:38 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Kaleb, 
> Have a good spare you can sell?
> -- 
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> '95 E300
> 
>> On February 7, 2016 9:09:59 AM EST, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>>  wrote:
>> Well the under dash panel, I would not really call it a knee bolster 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Contact cleaner

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

You can probably find it on Amazon, too.  Great stuff, I wouldn’t use anything 
else.  Not cheap, but unless you’re really sloppy, a can will last a long time. 
 The one I have is at least 4-5 years old.

Dan


> On Feb 7, 2016, at 10:42 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> There is only one choice in contact cleaners, de-oxit. If you've still got a 
> Radio Schmuck they've got a small overpriced can. Amazon can hook you up 
> otherwise.
> 
> 
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> 
> From:"Curly McLain via Mercedes" 
> Date:Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 10:33 AM
> Subject:[MBZ] Contact cleaner
> 
> Which is the contact cleaner best for the TS stalk?  Where is the 
> best place to buy it?
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 77 240D glow system woe

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Thanks Scott.  Does the knee bolster panel need to come out?
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'95 E300

On February 7, 2016 1:16:51 AM EST, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
 wrote:

As I recall, the relay on my 79 TD was under the dash over the driver's

 >feet.




I think it lives up above the clutch pedal, left of the steering 
wheel.   You only have to take out the under-dash panel.


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Re: [MBZ] From bad to worse to nightmare

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Spot weld a bolt to the broken tap, then you can back it out?

-
Max
Charleston SC


I'd try welding a nut to it first.

How did you manage to screw up the threads for that bolt in the first 
place?  (or did ya buy it that way?)  That is one problem I've never 
had.  (yet)


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Re: [MBZ] 77 240D glow system woe

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Finally had time to dig into the service manual, sections 15-505 and 15-510
lay it out pretty clearly.  I think the relay is bad, just need to get at
it and start measuring voltage at the various pins.

I wonder how the cost of a new relay will compare to the cost of upgrading
to the pencil style plugs with a new relay...
-
Max
Charleston SC


Someone (Kleb?) already posted that you can just do the pencil GP 
conversion with the same relay.


Kent wants $90 for the 4 GPs and the wires.   A used 81+ relay is 
generally under $100  Last one I bought new was maybe $130, so 
probably $150+ now.


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Re: [MBZ] From bad to worse to nightmare

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

I pulled my 98 e300 in the shop yesterday for 
what was supposed to be a simple belt shock 
replacment. I knew the hole was stripped out so 
I already had the proper size helicoil on hand. 
I drilled out the hole, tapped it and inserted 
the helicoil. Put it all back together and after 
running a few minutes the damn shock popped of 
the rubber mounting. This was a stabilus from 
autohaus az but not the dealer part which j 
guess is supposed to be better even though it is 
made by stabilus. So I took the bolt back out 
and the helicoil came out with the bolt. So I 
drilled it again, tapped and put new coil in. 
For some reason bolt was somewhat hard to turn 
then snapped off all the sudden flush with the 
head. Great. So I pull the radiator. Spend all 
morning drilling on the bolt. At one point broke 
off a drill bit in the hole but managed to get 
it out. Finally get it drilled out enough to 
then drill the final hole size for the helicoil 
tap. Do that. Install another coil and for some 
reason even though the hole was drilled and 
tapped and the coil is the right size the bolt 
will not thread in, it's like the hole is just 
slightly too small. So I pull the coil out, 
drilled again, tapped again, ran it down and all 
the sudden the tap breaks! When it does the only 
thing I can figure is the other price shot off 
the wrench and the punctured the condenser, I 
start rapidly losing the entire ac charge. So at 
this point the car is screwed. Now needs a new 
condenser also. How the heck am I going to get 
this hardened tap out of the hole? There is 
another slightly smaller hole right next to the 
shock hole, I wonder if I can just bolt it to 
that hole? I am concerned with it rattling 
though since the bolt is slightly smaller. This 
is a nightmare. There is nothing further I can 
do with this car at the moment until I figure 
out how to extract this tap and get a new 
condenser here. I guess I should now start on 
the glow plug project for my 97 but I suspect 
it's got dorm fuel leaks that need to be 
replaced while its apart and I don't have the 
parts for it.


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Wow!  that is bad.

I have a 240D I'd part with for a ridiculously high offer!

Maybe you should drive that nice 124 300D.

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Re: [MBZ] 77 240D glow system woe

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Max wrote:
> 
> 123.  Big wire that feeds power to the 80A fuse goes from
> engine side back through firewall, driver's side.

Huh!  So much for what I thought I knew. *smiles*

I think the series plugs use a 50 A fuse, but now I'm picking
an nits.

Personally, I would convert it to parallel with a button on
the dash.  By far, that is my favorite way to pre-glow.

> David wrote:
> 
> you don't need bushings or a lathe. Both Bosch and Beru
> make pencil glow plugs designed to replace the crappy old
> series plugs.

For parallel-but-fit-a-hole-for-series glowplugs:

Mercedes part number 0-250-201-044

or Bosch number FGK2

But those plugs are more expensive and much less common.  The
bushings would be a one-time expense.

Either way, the parallel plugs put a lot more heat into the
engine and so replacing the series plugs is a worthwhile
upgrade.

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Re: [MBZ] Contact cleaner

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Curly wrote:
> 
> Which is the contact cleaner best for the TS stalk?

Well, a Top Secret stalk needs a top secret cleaner.

I suppose you probably mean turn signal...

DeOxit is the _the_ stuff.  Available in pen dropper, brush,
spray, and probably gallon jugs.

>  Where is the best place to buy it?

Caig Chemicals makes it.

Amazon sells it.

It comes in lots of different containers.  This is a glass bottle with a brush.
http://www.amazon.com/Booster-Electric-Connection-Enhancer-Lubricant/dp/B0002BBVN2/

Or a small squeeze tube
http://www.amazon.com/DeoxITLiquid-squeeze-tube-100%25-solution/dp/B0015A5AAY

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Re: [MBZ] 77 240D glow system woe

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Philip,

50A is correct, according to the service manual.  We installed an 80A
because (1) that's all I have and (2) that's what was there.  Now we know
better...

Perhaps the push-button modification will be where we end up, I'll offer
that as a possibility.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 3:40 PM, fmiser via Mercedes 
wrote:

>
> I think the series plugs use a 50 A fuse, but now I'm picking
> an nits.
>
> Personally, I would convert it to parallel with a button on
> the dash.  By far, that is my favorite way to pre-glow.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes 400SEL Long Body Very Rare

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Better look closely at upper and lower engine wiring harnesses.  Bet the ETA 
harness is shot, but there’s no way to tell without twisting it up and seeing 
if you go into limp-home mode.  Otherwise it’s something best left alone.

AC evaporator is a time bomb.

I dig those heather seat, though.

Dan


> On Feb 7, 2016, at 4:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> Must be a clever new name for Gray.
> 
> That is a SLICK car at a SICK price.  Wonder what's wrong with it...
> 
> On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 2:02 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> > wrote:
> Heh. Interesting color, I don’t think I’ve seen that color on a W140 before.
> 
> Nice Heather seats, too.
> 
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> > On Feb 7, 2016, at 1:59 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes  > > wrote:
> >
> > For all of the long body devotees
> >
> >
> > Fred Moir.
> > Lynn MA.
> > Diesel preferred.
> >
> > Mercedes 400SEL Long Body Very Rare
> >
> > http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/cto/5437062532.html 
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Re: [MBZ] From bad to worse to nightmare

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

It was like that when I bought it, in fact I had been running it 
without a belt shock at all for a while but I did not want to do 
that for long.  I am really not sure how it got stripped out in the 
first place, but it is just a hole and should have been a simple 
matter to repair the threats but for some reason it turned into a 
nightmare.



Breaking drills and taps is the reason.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Houdini lock lube

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

We used to get lots of freezing rain - worst possible weather by far.  Now
it's either snow or rain and not much else.


We'll pray for a 3-4" freezing rain job for ya!

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Re: [MBZ] 77 240D glow system woe

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

What other test can be used?  I didn't want to use jumper cables to 
apply
power to just one plug at a time, because I was afraid I'd burn them 
up,

assuming each is meant to power up with just 1/4 of 12 volts (series
circuit).


Series GP's are rated to work on about 1V each.  They were
designed, so far as I can tell, for 6V 6-cylinder engines of
yore, and they never changed.  They just use a dropping
resistor (or several) to take up the slack.  In the case of
my 115, for example, the 12V slack is taken up by the in-dash
glow plug, and several 'toaster rack' wires.  If that lost
heat could be captured in the intake manifold, for example,
we'd find the series system a lot more palatable.

For the record, my series 115 system is working great.
It always has.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 77 240D glow system woe

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

You've already diagnosed it to be ahead of the fuse.  If the fuse 
didn't blow, and since you've tested the plugs and there is no short 
to ground, you can take a jumper cable to the bat side of the fuse to 
light off the engine.


The only other diagnosis is to pull the plug from the relay and 
verify it was 12V into it when the key in the glow position, and 0 V 
in the off position.


Then for added security, you can verify the wire from the relay to 
the fuse has continuity.  It is possible if rubbed through at the 
firewall and burned through.




Jaime,

We tested the plugs with a cheap-o multi-meter, which showed that all had
about the same resistance of about 0.5 ohms.

If one or more has gone bad, would that cause a total lack of voltage to
the fuse on the firewall?  I can see if one became an open circuit, all the
plugs would not get power, and if one plug shorted out, the fuse would blow.

What other test can be used?  I didn't want to use jumper cables to apply
power to just one plug at a time, because I was afraid I'd burn them up,
assuming each is meant to power up with just 1/4 of 12 volts (series
circuit).

I found an old posting from Marshall Booth that I have preserved on the
MBCA forum, which is the factory trouble-shooting steps for 1975-76 300D,
and that shows a thermo-time switch in the circuit.

See post #2 here:
http://www.mbca.org/forum/how-repair-maintain-your-mercedes-benz

According to that document, a no-voltage condition points to the relay.

It is not clear to me that a burned out lamp in the instrument panel would
cause total failure of the system or not.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


 It's likely a plug has gone bad. In the last few cars I changed series GPs
 in, one always went bad in a short period of time.  Bosch seems to have a
 QC issue in India.  I even bought them from MB direct.

 Jaime


 On Saturday, February 6, 2016, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

 > Newbie owner of subject vehicle asked me to help diagnose a "no glow"
 > condition.  Car has original loop style plugs, new Bosch plugs about six
 > months old.  Local indie Mercedes place that I trust put in the new
 plugs,
 > and system worked fine until last week.
 >
 > I put in a new fuse, but there is no voltage getting to the 80A fuse on
 > the firewall.
 >
 > Is this likely to be a pre-glow relay failure?
 >
 > Is the pre-glow relay under the dash?
 >
 > Is this a relay that can be repaired?
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 > Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] 77 240D glow system woe

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Dunno.  I'll have to ask.  Probably 10¢ on the 
dollar compared to the new one, or less.  I'd 
guess that 15-$20 would get one to your door. 
Probably 30-35 for a pair if I can find a pair.


What would the price be, if they have one?  For 
the right price, would be nice to get a spare 
that can be tried and tinkered with.

--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On February 7, 2016 10:29:45 AM EST, Curly 
McLain via Mercedes  
wrote:

Kaleb,
Have a good spare you can sell?
--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300


If the bay of fleas does not have one, I may be able to find you one
tomorrow when I go to find the relay for my SDL.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Houdini lock lube

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

No, but don't worry, soon all the global warming will mean no more freezing
rain in WDC.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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> Is it also have antifreeze properties?
>
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Re: [MBZ] From bad to worse to nightmare

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I need to get a welder to do that.

On 2/7/2016 1:29 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Spot weld a bolt to the broken tap, then you can back it out?

-
Max
Charleston SC

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No there must be a better answer than that




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Re: [MBZ] From bad to worse to nightmare

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

It was like that when I bought it, in fact I had been running it without 
a belt shock at all for a while but I did not want to do that for long.  
I am really not sure how it got stripped out in the first place, but it 
is just a hole and should have been a simple matter to repair the 
threats but for some reason it turned into a nightmare.


On 2/7/2016 2:03 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:

Spot weld a bolt to the broken tap, then you can back it out?

-
Max
Charleston SC


I'd try welding a nut to it first.

How did you manage to screw up the threads for that bolt in the first 
place?  (or did ya buy it that way?)  That is one problem I've never 
had.  (yet)


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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Mercedes 400SEL Long Body Very Rare

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Must be a clever new name for Gray.

That is a SLICK car at a SICK price.  Wonder what's wrong with it...

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> Heh. Interesting color, I don’t think I’ve seen that color on a W140
> before.
>
> Nice Heather seats, too.
>
>
> Dan
>
>
> > On Feb 7, 2016, at 1:59 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > For all of the long body devotees
> >
> >
> > Fred Moir.
> > Lynn MA.
> > Diesel preferred.
> >
> > Mercedes 400SEL Long Body Very Rare
> >
> > http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/cto/5437062532.html
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Re: [MBZ] 77 240D glow system woe

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Kent Bergsma, Mercedesource fame

https://mercedessource.com/

Lots of his youtube videos out there hawking his stuff.  I've only bought
one kit from him, it worked fine for me (new HVAC blower motor with Kent's
custom squirel-cage-fan removal tool plus pictorial guide).

-
Max
Charleston SC

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> Kent??!!!
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "Curly McLain via Mercedes" <
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> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Cc: "Curly McLain" <126die...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2016 2:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 77 240D glow system woe
>
>
> >Finally had time to dig into the service manual, sections 15-505 and
>> >15-510
>>
>>> lay it out pretty clearly.  I think the relay is bad, just need to get at
>>> it and start measuring voltage at the various pins.
>>>
>>> I wonder how the cost of a new relay will compare to the cost of
>>> upgrading
>>> to the pencil style plugs with a new relay...
>>> -
>>> Max
>>> Charleston SC
>>>
>>
>> Someone (Kleb?) already posted that you can just do the pencil GP
>> conversion with the same relay.
>>
>> Kent wants $90 for the 4 GPs and the wires.   A used 81+ relay is
>> generally under $100  Last one I bought new was maybe $130, so probably
>> $150+ now.
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Re: [MBZ] OT What's on?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Heh.  I regularly hassle the wife about “Downtown Abbey”.  Truth be told, it’s 
actually very well done from a historical accuracy standpoint.  They went to 
great lengths to depict Edwardian England as accurately as possible.

Must have been a horrible place.

Dan


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> wrote:
> 
> I hear there is a show about an owl on tonight, the Superb Owl, also a show 
> about a liberated girl Downtown Abby.  Which will you be watching?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 77 240D glow system woe

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Jaime,

We tested the plugs with a cheap-o multi-meter, which showed that all had
about the same resistance of about 0.5 ohms.

If one or more has gone bad, would that cause a total lack of voltage to
the fuse on the firewall?  I can see if one became an open circuit, all the
plugs would not get power, and if one plug shorted out, the fuse would blow.

What other test can be used?  I didn't want to use jumper cables to apply
power to just one plug at a time, because I was afraid I'd burn them up,
assuming each is meant to power up with just 1/4 of 12 volts (series
circuit).

I found an old posting from Marshall Booth that I have preserved on the
MBCA forum, which is the factory trouble-shooting steps for 1975-76 300D,
and that shows a thermo-time switch in the circuit.

See post #2 here:
http://www.mbca.org/forum/how-repair-maintain-your-mercedes-benz

According to that document, a no-voltage condition points to the relay.

It is not clear to me that a burned out lamp in the instrument panel would
cause total failure of the system or not.

-
Max
Charleston SC

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> It's likely a plug has gone bad. In the last few cars I changed series GPs
> in, one always went bad in a short period of time.  Bosch seems to have a
> QC issue in India.  I even bought them from MB direct.
>
> Jaime
>
>
> On Saturday, February 6, 2016, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Newbie owner of subject vehicle asked me to help diagnose a "no glow"
> > condition.  Car has original loop style plugs, new Bosch plugs about six
> > months old.  Local indie Mercedes place that I trust put in the new
> plugs,
> > and system worked fine until last week.
> >
> > I put in a new fuse, but there is no voltage getting to the 80A fuse on
> > the firewall.
> >
> > Is this likely to be a pre-glow relay failure?
> >
> > Is the pre-glow relay under the dash?
> >
> > Is this a relay that can be repaired?
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Re: [MBZ] 77 240D glow system woe

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Thanks.  Now I just need some time to get under the dash.
-- 
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On February 7, 2016 2:49:17 PM EST, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>You've already diagnosed it to be ahead of the fuse.  If the fuse 
>didn't blow, and since you've tested the plugs and there is no short 
>to ground, you can take a jumper cable to the bat side of the fuse to 
>light off the engine.
>
>The only other diagnosis is to pull the plug from the relay and 
>verify it was 12V into it when the key in the glow position, and 0 V 
>in the off position.
>
>Then for added security, you can verify the wire from the relay to 
>the fuse has continuity.  It is possible if rubbed through at the 
>firewall and burned through.
>
>
>>Jaime,
>>
>>We tested the plugs with a cheap-o multi-meter, which showed that all
>had
>>about the same resistance of about 0.5 ohms.
>>
>>If one or more has gone bad, would that cause a total lack of voltage
>to
>>the fuse on the firewall?  I can see if one became an open circuit,
>all the
>>plugs would not get power, and if one plug shorted out, the fuse would
>blow.
>>
>>What other test can be used?  I didn't want to use jumper cables to
>apply
>>power to just one plug at a time, because I was afraid I'd burn them
>up,
>>assuming each is meant to power up with just 1/4 of 12 volts (series
>>circuit).
>>
>>I found an old posting from Marshall Booth that I have preserved on
>the
>>MBCA forum, which is the factory trouble-shooting steps for 1975-76
>300D,
>>and that shows a thermo-time switch in the circuit.
>>
>>See post #2 here:
>>http://www.mbca.org/forum/how-repair-maintain-your-mercedes-benz
>>
>>According to that document, a no-voltage condition points to the
>relay.
>>
>>It is not clear to me that a burned out lamp in the instrument panel
>would
>>cause total failure of the system or not.
>>
>>-
>>Max
>>Charleston SC
>>
>>On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
>>mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  It's likely a plug has gone bad. In the last few cars I changed
>series GPs
>>>  in, one always went bad in a short period of time.  Bosch seems to
>have a
>>>  QC issue in India.  I even bought them from MB direct.
>>>
>>>  Jaime
>>>
>>>
>>>  On Saturday, February 6, 2016, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
>>>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  > Newbie owner of subject vehicle asked me to help diagnose a "no
>glow"
>>>  > condition.  Car has original loop style plugs, new Bosch plugs
>about six
>>>  > months old.  Local indie Mercedes place that I trust put in the
>new
>>>  plugs,
>>>  > and system worked fine until last week.
>>>  >
>>>  > I put in a new fuse, but there is no voltage getting to the 80A
>fuse on
>>>  > the firewall.
>>>  >
>>>  > Is this likely to be a pre-glow relay failure?
>>>  >
>>>  > Is the pre-glow relay under the dash?
>>>  >
>>>  > Is this a relay that can be repaired?
>>>  > --
>>>  > Max Dillon
>>>  > Charleston SC
>>>  > '87 300TD
>>>  > '95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Houdini lock lube

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Is it also have antifreeze properties?

On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 10:50 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Got a can of the Houdini lock lube you guys were talking up so much. I had
>> an order to put in on Amazon anyway so I'd chucked a can in.The lock coming
>> into the house was getting sticky, it fixed that a treat, its perfect now.
>> It also seems to have worked well on the persistently sticky trunk lock on
>> the Jetta but I've been fooled on that before, I'll give it a week before I
>> call that totally sorted.It didn't work very well on the basement lock
>> thats been getting stiff. That one feels like something might be binding,
>> I'd better pull it apart and have a look...
>> Overall seems like good stuff, smells nice too.
>> -Curt
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>
> Limonene?
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Re: [MBZ] From bad to worse to nightmare

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Perfect excuse to get a welder and learn how to use it!

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 5:06 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Well as it turns out they do have tap extractors which are basically
> fingers of hardened steel that fit into the flutes of the tap, then you
> slide down the chuck on the tool to sort of lock it then back it out.  They
> are not cheap though.  If all else fails I am probably going to try using
> the hole next to it that all 603/606s seem to have.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] From bad to worse to nightmare

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

It was exactly what happened that I was so careful to avoiding 
happening!   Anyway I will drive the 140 diesel for a few days until I 
can figure out the next thing to try.  I still think I might try just 
using that unused adjoining hole in the head.


On 2/7/2016 1:58 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
I pulled my 98 e300 in the shop yesterday for what was supposed to be 
a simple belt shock replacment. I knew the hole was stripped out so I 
already had the proper size helicoil on hand. I drilled out the hole, 
tapped it and inserted the helicoil. Put it all back together and 
after running a few minutes the damn shock popped of the rubber 
mounting. This was a stabilus from autohaus az but not the dealer 
part which j guess is supposed to be better even though it is made by 
stabilus. So I took the bolt back out and the helicoil came out with 
the bolt. So I drilled it again, tapped and put new coil in. For some 
reason bolt was somewhat hard to turn then snapped off all the sudden 
flush with the head. Great. So I pull the radiator. Spend all morning 
drilling on the bolt. At one point broke off a drill bit in the hole 
but managed to get it out. Finally get it drilled out enough to then 
drill the final hole size for the helicoil tap. Do that. Install 
another coil and for some reason even though the hole was drilled and 
tapped and the coil is the right size the bolt will not thread in, 
it's like the hole is just slightly too small. So I pull the coil 
out, drilled again, tapped again, ran it down and all the sudden the 
tap breaks! When it does the only thing I can figure is the other 
price shot off the wrench and the punctured the condenser, I start 
rapidly losing the entire ac charge. So at this point the car is 
screwed. Now needs a new condenser also. How the heck am I going to 
get this hardened tap out of the hole? There is another slightly 
smaller hole right next to the shock hole, I wonder if I can just 
bolt it to that hole? I am concerned with it rattling though since 
the bolt is slightly smaller. This is a nightmare. There is nothing 
further I can do with this car at the moment until I figure out how 
to extract this tap and get a new condenser here. I guess I should 
now start on the glow plug project for my 97 but I suspect it's got 
dorm fuel leaks that need to be replaced while its apart and I don't 
have the parts for it.


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Wow!  that is bad.

I have a 240D I'd part with for a ridiculously high offer!

Maybe you should drive that nice 124 300D.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Houdini lock lube

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

We used to get lots of freezing rain - worst possible weather by far.  Now
it's either snow or rain and not much else.

Yes, we did have the warmest December on record.  Thanks for noticing.

On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 3:55 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> No, but don't worry, soon all the global warming will mean no more freezing
> rain in WDC.
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
> On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Is it also have antifreeze properties?
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 77 240D glow system woe

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Kent??!!!

Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 77 240D glow system woe


>Finally had time to dig into the service manual, sections 15-505 and 
>15-510

lay it out pretty clearly.  I think the relay is bad, just need to get at
it and start measuring voltage at the various pins.

I wonder how the cost of a new relay will compare to the cost of upgrading
to the pencil style plugs with a new relay...
-
Max
Charleston SC


Someone (Kleb?) already posted that you can just do the pencil GP 
conversion with the same relay.


Kent wants $90 for the 4 GPs and the wires.   A used 81+ relay is 
generally under $100  Last one I bought new was maybe $130, so probably 
$150+ now.


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Re: [MBZ] 77 240D glow system woe

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Here's the kit that would solve all this woe for about $160...

https://mercedessource.com/store/123-chassis-early-240d-4-cyl-glow-relay-manual-override-kit-w-upgrade-plugs

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[MBZ] Fw: 77 240D glow system woe

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Oh, I was thinking Trent!  'Sorry.

Wilton

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Kent??!!!

Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 77 240D glow system woe


>Finally had time to dig into the service manual, sections 15-505 and 
>15-510
lay it out pretty clearly.  I think the relay is bad, just need to get 
at

it and start measuring voltage at the various pins.

I wonder how the cost of a new relay will compare to the cost of 
upgrading

to the pencil style plugs with a new relay...
-
Max
Charleston SC


Someone (Kleb?) already posted that you can just do the pencil GP 
conversion with the same relay.


Kent wants $90 for the 4 GPs and the wires.   A used 81+ relay is 
generally under $100  Last one I bought new was maybe $130, so probably 
$150+ now.


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Re: [MBZ] From bad to worse to nightmare

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

I need to get a welder to do that.

On 2/7/2016 1:29 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Spot weld a bolt to the broken tap, then you can back it out?

-
Max
Charleston SC


'S'cheaper than a lift.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Houdini lock lube

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

No, but don't worry, soon all the global warming will mean no more freezing
rain in WDC.

-
Max
Charleston SC



According to the albore wing of the gw/cc/whatever nutjobs, DC was 
supposed to be underwater by now.  That is why they changed from 10 
or 20 year alarmists to 50 yr alarmists.  few who hear their 
screeching, or few whom are doing the screeching will be alive in 50 
yrs.  That keeps em from looking so foolish.  (Moronic)  ...when 
their predictions, just like the ice age predictions of the 70s, turn 
out to be foolish.


In the case of DC, tooo bad they are wrong.

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Re: [MBZ] From bad to worse to nightmare

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Well as it turns out they do have tap extractors which are basically 
fingers of hardened steel that fit into the flutes of the tap, then you 
slide down the chuck on the tool to sort of lock it then back it out.  
They are not cheap though.  If all else fails I am probably going to try 
using the hole next to it that all 603/606s seem to have.


On 2/7/2016 3:48 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
It was like that when I bought it, in fact I had been running it 
without a belt shock at all for a while but I did not want to do that 
for long.  I am really not sure how it got stripped out in the first 
place, but it is just a hole and should have been a simple matter to 
repair the threats but for some reason it turned into a nightmare.



Breaking drills and taps is the reason.

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Re: [MBZ] 77 240D glow system woe

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Don't worry you don't need em.  Kent is mercedessource with the how 
to books and videos and everything premium priced.  But in this rare 
case, he is reasonable.   Bergstrom, of the blue shop coat.  I 
offered to sell y'all blue shop coats a few years ago so ya couls all 
be just like Kent.  I still have mine.




Kent??!!!

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Curly McLain via Mercedes" 


To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Curly McLain" <126die...@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2016 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 77 240D glow system woe

 >Finally had time to dig into the service manual, sections 15-505 
and >15-510

lay it out pretty clearly.  I think the relay is bad, just need to get at
it and start measuring voltage at the various pins.

I wonder how the cost of a new relay will compare to the cost of upgrading
to the pencil style plugs with a new relay...
-
Max
Charleston SC


Someone (Kleb?) already posted that you can just do the pencil GP 
conversion with the same relay.


Kent wants $90 for the 4 GPs and the wires.   A used 81+ relay is 
generally under $100  Last one I bought new was maybe $130, so 
probably $150+ now.





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[MBZ] OT What's on?

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

I hear there is a show about an owl on tonight, the Superb Owl, also a 
show about a liberated girl Downtown Abby.  Which will you be watching?


--R



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[MBZ] Fun W/Craigslist

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Had a computer for sale on CL.  Got a response that seemed sort of scammy, 
pushy, saw mine when they were going to buy another, etc., etc.  Just didn’t 
have a good feeling about it.

Our county sheriff has an area at each of their regional sites where you can 
meet up for stuff like this.  Cameras, sheriffs in clear view, plenty of 
security.

I told the buyer that’s where I would meet them.

Never heard back.  Hmm.

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Fw: Mercedes 400SEL Long Body Very Rare

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Heh. Interesting color, I don’t think I’ve seen that color on a W140 before.

Nice Heather seats, too.


Dan


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> wrote:
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> For all of the long body devotees
> 
> 
> Fred Moir.
> Lynn MA.
> Diesel preferred.
> 
> Mercedes 400SEL Long Body Very Rare
> 
> http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/cto/5437062532.html
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Re: [MBZ] Contact cleaner

[G Mann via Mercedes]

www.caig.com

Right off the can, I bought mine directly from the company. Still not
cheap, but no middle man markup. They shipped same day, I had two cans in
hand in 3 days via USPS.

Get some, you'll be glad you did. Nothing else works as well. As I recall,
two cans cost me $26.00 and change with shipping.
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> You can probably find it on Amazon, too.  Great stuff, I wouldn’t use
> anything else.  Not cheap, but unless you’re really sloppy, a can will last
> a long time.  The one I have is at least 4-5 years old.
>
> Dan
>
>
> > On Feb 7, 2016, at 10:42 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > There is only one choice in contact cleaners, de-oxit. If you've still
> got a Radio Schmuck they've got a small overpriced can. Amazon can hook you
> up otherwise.
> >
> >
> > Curt
> >
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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> > From:"Curly McLain via Mercedes" 
> > Date:Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 10:33 AM
> > Subject:[MBZ] Contact cleaner
> >
> > Which is the contact cleaner best for the TS stalk?  Where is the
> > best place to buy it?
> >
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[MBZ] From bad to worse to nightmare

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I pulled my 98 e300 in the shop yesterday for what was supposed to be a simple 
belt shock replacment. I knew the hole was stripped out so I already had the 
proper size helicoil on hand. I drilled out the hole, tapped it and inserted 
the helicoil. Put it all back together and after running a few minutes the damn 
shock popped of the rubber mounting. This was a stabilus from autohaus az but 
not the dealer part which j guess is supposed to be better even though it is 
made by stabilus. So I took the bolt back out and the helicoil came out with 
the bolt. So I drilled it again, tapped and put new coil in. For some reason 
bolt was somewhat hard to turn then snapped off all the sudden flush with the 
head. Great. So I pull the radiator. Spend all morning drilling on the bolt. At 
one point broke off a drill bit in the hole but managed to get it out. Finally 
get it drilled out enough to then drill the final hole size for the helicoil 
tap. Do that. Install another coil and for some reason even though the hole was 
drilled and tapped and the coil is the right size the bolt will not thread in, 
it's like the hole is just slightly too small. So I pull the coil out, drilled 
again, tapped again, ran it down and all the sudden the tap breaks! When it 
does the only thing I can figure is the other price shot off the wrench and the 
punctured the condenser, I start rapidly losing the entire ac charge. So at 
this point the car is screwed. Now needs a new condenser also. How the heck am 
I going to get this hardened tap out of the hole? There is another slightly 
smaller hole right next to the shock hole, I wonder if I can just bolt it to 
that hole? I am concerned with it rattling though since the bolt is slightly 
smaller. This is a nightmare. There is nothing further I can do with this car 
at the moment until I figure out how to extract this tap and get a new 
condenser here. I guess I should now start on the glow plug project for my 97 
but I suspect it's got dorm fuel leaks that need to be replaced while its apart 
and I don't have the parts for it. 



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Re: [MBZ] From bad to worse to nightmare

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Spot weld a bolt to the broken tap, then you can back it out?

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 2:09 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> No there must be a better answer than that
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] 77 240D glow system woe

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

What would the price be, if they have one?  For the right price, would be nice 
to get a spare that can be tried and tinkered with.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On February 7, 2016 10:29:45 AM EST, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>>Kaleb,
>>Have a good spare you can sell?
>>--
>>Max Dillon
>>Charleston SC
>>'87 300TD
>>'95 E300
>
>If the bay of fleas does not have one, I may be able to find you one 
>tomorrow when I go to find the relay for my SDL.
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Re: [MBZ] 77 240D glow system woe

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Finally had time to dig into the service manual, sections 15-505 and 15-510
lay it out pretty clearly.  I think the relay is bad, just need to get at
it and start measuring voltage at the various pins.

I wonder how the cost of a new relay will compare to the cost of upgrading
to the pencil style plugs with a new relay...
-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] 77 240D glow system woe

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

The pencil plug upgrade kit still uses the existing under dash glow
timer/relay, at least it did when I did my TD some years back.  Maybe there
is something new now?  Another route would be to convert to the inside
ender-mounted relay used on the later models; should be available cheap
used.

By the way, my TD started and ran much better with the pencil plugs.  As
mentioned earlier, pencil-style plugs are available that screw into the
old-style head.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Meade Dillon via Mercedes
> Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2016 1:04 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Meade Dillon 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 77 240D glow system woe
> 
> Finally had time to dig into the service manual, sections 15-505 and
15-510
> lay it out pretty clearly.  I think the relay is bad, just need to get at
it and start
> measuring voltage at the various pins.
> 
> I wonder how the cost of a new relay will compare to the cost of upgrading
to
> the pencil style plugs with a new relay...
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] 77 240D glow system woe

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

It's likely a plug has gone bad. In the last few cars I changed series GPs
in, one always went bad in a short period of time.  Bosch seems to have a
QC issue in India.  I even bought them from MB direct.

Jaime


On Saturday, February 6, 2016, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Newbie owner of subject vehicle asked me to help diagnose a "no glow"
> condition.  Car has original loop style plugs, new Bosch plugs about six
> months old.  Local indie Mercedes place that I trust put in the new plugs,
> and system worked fine until last week.
>
> I put in a new fuse, but there is no voltage getting to the 80A fuse on
> the firewall.
>
> Is this likely to be a pre-glow relay failure?
>
> Is the pre-glow relay under the dash?
>
> Is this a relay that can be repaired?
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
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[MBZ] Fw: Mercedes 400SEL Long Body Very Rare

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

For all of the long body devotees


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.

Mercedes 400SEL Long Body Very Rare

http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/cto/5437062532.html
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Re: [MBZ] From bad to worse to nightmare

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I see your problem there.  Ugly.  Time to pull the head for a machine shop
to fix this?

-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] From bad to worse to nightmare

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

No there must be a better answer than that

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> I see your problem there.  Ugly.  Time to pull the head for a machine shop
> to fix this?
> 
> -
> Max
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Re: [MBZ] Contact cleaner

[OK Don via Mercedes]

+1  another happy user of De-Oxit

On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 2:44 PM, fmiser via Mercedes 
wrote:

> > Curly wrote:
> >
> > Which is the contact cleaner best for the TS stalk?
>
> Well, a Top Secret stalk needs a top secret cleaner.
>
> I suppose you probably mean turn signal...
>
> DeOxit is the _the_ stuff.  Available in pen dropper, brush,
> spray, and probably gallon jugs.
>
> >  Where is the best place to buy it?
>
> Caig Chemicals makes it.
>
> Amazon sells it.
>
> It comes in lots of different containers.  This is a glass bottle with a
> brush.
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Booster-Electric-Connection-Enhancer-Lubricant/dp/B0002BBVN2/
>
> Or a small squeeze tube
>
> http://www.amazon.com/DeoxITLiquid-squeeze-tube-100%25-solution/dp/B0015A5AAY
>
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] From bad to worse to nightmare

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Look at the photo in the original post - I don't see how he would weld
anything to the recessed broken tap without doing even more damage to the
head.

On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 4:28 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Perfect excuse to get a welder and learn how to use it!
>
>
>


-- 
OK Don

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learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
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Re: [MBZ] OT What's on?

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Horrible indeed.  By any objective measure all but the poorest (or mentally 
ill) Americans (and most Westerners) live better than the peerage and royalty 
of that period.  I would include things like hot running water, HVAC, 
nutrition, transportation, entertainment, medicine, etc.  Too bad so many folks 
are spring-loaded to bitch about what they don't have vs enjoying what they do 
have.

> -Original Message-
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> Dan Penoff via Mercedes
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT What's on?
> 
> Heh.  I regularly hassle the wife about “Downtown Abbey”.  Truth be told, it’s
> actually very well done from a historical accuracy standpoint.  They went to
> great lengths to depict Edwardian England as accurately as possible.
> 
> Must have been a horrible place.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> > On Feb 7, 2016, at 5:40 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> >
> > I hear there is a show about an owl on tonight, the Superb Owl, also a show
> about a liberated girl Downtown Abby.  Which will you be watching?
> >
> > --R
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Re: [MBZ] OT What's on?

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I really enjoy Downton Abbey, Father Brown, Doc Martin, and some other show
I think it's called the Dr. Grey Mysteries or something like that.  Those
are about the only shows I watch with any regularity, which is to say maybe
once every couple / three weeks.

-
Max
Charleston SC

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Horrible indeed.  By any objective measure all but the poorest (or
> mentally ill) Americans (and most Westerners) live better than the peerage
> and royalty of that period.  I would include things like hot running water,
> HVAC, nutrition, transportation, entertainment, medicine, etc.  Too bad so
> many folks are spring-loaded to bitch about what they don't have vs
> enjoying what they do have.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> > Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> > Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2016 5:45 PM
> > To: Mercedes List 
> > Cc: Dan Penoff 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT What's on?
> >
> > Heh.  I regularly hassle the wife about “Downtown Abbey”.  Truth be
> told, it’s
> > actually very well done from a historical accuracy standpoint.  They
> went to
> > great lengths to depict Edwardian England as accurately as possible.
> >
> > Must have been a horrible place.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> > > On Feb 7, 2016, at 5:40 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > I hear there is a show about an owl on tonight, the Superb Owl, also a
> show
> > about a liberated girl Downtown Abby.  Which will you be watching?
> > >
> > > --R
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] OT What's on?

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

I hear there is a show about an owl on tonight, the Superb Owl, also 
a show about a liberated girl Downtown Abby.  Which will you be 
watching?


--R



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Re: [MBZ] From bad to worse to nightmare

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Kaleb wrote:
> 
> How the heck am I going to get this hardened tap out of the hole?

There are tap extractors.  Arms stick down to fit in the
slots down the side of the tap.

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes 400SEL Long Body Very Rare

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Screw the harness - I LOVE that color.

On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 4:46 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> Better look closely at upper and lower engine wiring harnesses.  Bet the
> ETA harness is shot, but there’s no way to tell without twisting it up and
> seeing if you go into limp-home mode.  Otherwise it’s something best left
> alone.
>
> AC evaporator is a time bomb.
>
> I dig those heather seat, though.
>
> Dan
>
>
> > On Feb 7, 2016, at 4:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> wrote:
> >
> > Must be a clever new name for Gray.
> >
> > That is a SLICK car at a SICK price.  Wonder what's wrong with it...
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 2:02 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> > Heh. Interesting color, I don’t think I’ve seen that color on a W140
> before.
> >
> > Nice Heather seats, too.
> >
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> > > On Feb 7, 2016, at 1:59 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> > >
> > > For all of the long body devotees
> > >
> > >
> > > Fred Moir.
> > > Lynn MA.
> > > Diesel preferred.
> > >
> > > Mercedes 400SEL Long Body Very Rare
> > >
> > > http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/cto/5437062532.html <
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Houdini lock lube

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Your ignorance is breathtaking.  I stand in awe.

On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 4:49 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> We used to get lots of freezing rain - worst possible weather by far.  Now
>> it's either snow or rain and not much else.
>>
>
> We'll pray for a 3-4" freezing rain job for ya!
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Re: [MBZ] OT What's on?

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I use to watch Doc Martin but lost track when he and Louisa settled down.
Is it still good?

On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 7:19 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I hear there is a show about an owl on tonight, the Superb Owl, also a
>> show about a liberated girl Downtown Abby.  Which will you be watching?
>>
>> --R
>>
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> Non a dem
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Re: [MBZ] From bad to worse to nightmare

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Nice solution, but kleb can buy another car for less money.


Herr MMM Sez: 
http://edmtechcenter.com/index.php/products/hole-drilling/portable-edm-tap-remover


I'm just sayin'.



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Re: [MBZ] rod benders

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

My 1990 350SDL had 280K+ miles when I sold it last year..and 
it's still being used as a daily driver.  However I did just check 
and it's not for sale on CL or eBay.


Wife now has a CPO 2011 Bluetek ML, now with 60K, just in the shop 
for warranty workcam sensor, oil cooler and timing chain.  Also 
fuel filter and trans service...my nickel.


Now I know this car will not be as reliable or as cheap to maintain 
as my SDL,  but what's the net wisdom on this one?


Angelo Giaimo
1990 350SDL 280K (gone, but not forgotten)
2001 530i 5 speed 120K
2011 350ML Bluetek 60K

 Message: 11
 Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 20:49:10 -0600
 From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List 
 Subject: [MBZ] rod benders
 Message-ID: 
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

 I hardly ever see 350SDL's for sale.  All the sudden on ebay there have
 been like 4-5 pop in the last couple of days and several on Craigslist,

 > in addition to the burned one I bought.



Hey Angelo!  Long time no see!   Good to see ya back again!

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes 400SEL Long Body Very Rare

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> On February 7, 2016 at 9:18 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> What year do you think that is?

Not many possibilities, so I'd reckon 1992 or 1993. 

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Re: [MBZ] OT What's on?

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Even had Neville "Peace in or Time" Chamberlain, as Health Minister, in 
episode 5 last Sun and re-run tonight.  They found/made up a good likeness 
of 'im, too.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes List" 
Cc: "Dan Penoff" 
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2016 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT What's on?


Heh.  I regularly hassle the wife about “Downtown Abbey”.  Truth be told, 
it’s actually very well done from a historical accuracy standpoint.  They 
went to great lengths to depict Edwardian England as accurately as 
possible.


Must have been a horrible place.

Dan


On Feb 7, 2016, at 5:40 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
 wrote:


I hear there is a show about an owl on tonight, the Superb Owl, also a 
show about a liberated girl Downtown Abby.  Which will you be watching?


--R



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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes 400SEL Long Body Very Rare

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

92 had 400se, 93 was 400sel, then in 94 it was s420 all lwb. The only year for 
a swb v8 was 92.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 7, 2016, at 8:27 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 1993, I believe.  Starting in 1994 the model numbering system changed and it 
> would become an S420.
> 
> 1991-3 were 300SEL, 400SEL, etc. in the W140 chassis.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Feb 7, 2016, at 9:18 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> What year do you think that is?
>> 
>> Dwight Giles Jr.
>> 1982 300CD
>> 1990 300D
>> Wickford RI
>> On Feb 7, 2016 9:01 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
>> 
>>> Screw the harness - I LOVE that color.
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 4:46 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
>>> 
 Better look closely at upper and lower engine wiring harnesses.  Bet the
 ETA harness is shot, but there’s no way to tell without twisting it up
>>> and
 seeing if you go into limp-home mode.  Otherwise it’s something best left
 alone.
 
 AC evaporator is a time bomb.
 
 I dig those heather seat, though.
 
 Dan
 
 
>> On Feb 7, 2016, at 4:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> wrote:
> 
> Must be a clever new name for Gray.
> 
> That is a SLICK car at a SICK price.  Wonder what's wrong with it...
> 
>> On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 2:02 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com  
> >> wrote:
> Heh. Interesting color, I don’t think I’ve seen that color on a W140
 before.
> 
> Nice Heather seats, too.
> 
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Feb 7, 2016, at 1:59 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com  
 >> wrote:
>> 
>> For all of the long body devotees
>> 
>> 
>> Fred Moir.
>> Lynn MA.
>> Diesel preferred.
>> 
>> Mercedes 400SEL Long Body Very Rare
>> 
>> http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/cto/5437062532.html 
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Re: [MBZ] rod benders

[Angelo Giaimo via Mercedes]

My 1990 350SDL had 280K+ miles when I sold it last year..and it's still 
being used as a daily driver.  However I did just check and it's not for sale 
on CL or eBay.

Wife now has a CPO 2011 Bluetek ML, now with 60K, just in the shop for warranty 
workcam sensor, oil cooler and timing chain.  Also fuel filter and trans 
service...my nickel.

Now I know this car will not be as reliable or as cheap to maintain as my SDL,  
but what's the net wisdom on this one?

Angelo Giaimo
1990 350SDL 280K (gone, but not forgotten)
2001 530i 5 speed 120K
2011 350ML Bluetek 60K
> Message: 11
> Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 20:49:10 -0600
> From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: [MBZ] rod benders
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> I hardly ever see 350SDL's for sale.  All the sudden on ebay there have 
> been like 4-5 pop in the last couple of days and several on Craigslist, 
> in addition to the burned one I bought.

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes 400SEL Long Body Very Rare

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

That’s right - there were SWB and LWB variants in the W140 pre-facelift models. 
 Completely forgot about that.

Dan


> On Feb 7, 2016, at 9:29 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 92 had 400se, 93 was 400sel, then in 94 it was s420 all lwb. The only year 
> for a swb v8 was 92.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes 400SEL Long Body Very Rare

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Thanks Dan.

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
1990 300D
Wickford RI
On Feb 7, 2016 9:27 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> 1993, I believe.  Starting in 1994 the model numbering system changed and
> it would become an S420.
>
> 1991-3 were 300SEL, 400SEL, etc. in the W140 chassis.
>
> Dan
>
>
> > On Feb 7, 2016, at 9:18 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > What year do you think that is?
> >
> > Dwight Giles Jr.
> > 1982 300CD
> > 1990 300D
> > Wickford RI
> > On Feb 7, 2016 9:01 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> >
> >> Screw the harness - I LOVE that color.
> >>
> >> On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 4:46 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> >>
> >>> Better look closely at upper and lower engine wiring harnesses.  Bet
> the
> >>> ETA harness is shot, but there’s no way to tell without twisting it up
> >> and
> >>> seeing if you go into limp-home mode.  Otherwise it’s something best
> left
> >>> alone.
> >>>
> >>> AC evaporator is a time bomb.
> >>>
> >>> I dig those heather seat, though.
> >>>
> >>> Dan
> >>>
> >>>
>  On Feb 7, 2016, at 4:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> >>> wrote:
> 
>  Must be a clever new name for Gray.
> 
>  That is a SLICK car at a SICK price.  Wonder what's wrong with it...
> 
>  On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 2:02 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com   mercedes@okiebenz.com >> wrote:
>  Heh. Interesting color, I don’t think I’ve seen that color on a W140
> >>> before.
> 
>  Nice Heather seats, too.
> 
> 
>  Dan
> 
> 
> > On Feb 7, 2016, at 1:59 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com   mercedes@okiebenz.com >> wrote:
> >
> > For all of the long body devotees
> >
> >
> > Fred Moir.
> > Lynn MA.
> > Diesel preferred.
> >
> > Mercedes 400SEL Long Body Very Rare
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT What's on?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

The wife is a total British detective/mystery program maniac.

Right now there is a set of Poirot(?) DVDs on the TV stand she’s going through. 
 I rarely watch TV, but when I want to DVR something it always seems like I’m 
running up against one of her recordings.

Father Brown is pretty good.  Never seen Doc Martin.  I thought that was a 
shoe? 

I got caught up with “Call the Midwife” or whatever that was.  Well written, 
but better yet, covered a part of British history I was totally unfamiliar 
with, the late 1950s.  I found the cultural and societal shifts that were 
taking place quite interesting, and something I had no former knowledge of.  
The “Bletchley Circle” program that had the women who had worked as code 
breakers during WWII was pretty interesting from that aspect as well.  Didn’t 
watch it all, but saw some of the episodes.

Dan “would you like a spot ‘o tea?"

> On Feb 7, 2016, at 6:39 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I really enjoy Downton Abbey, Father Brown, Doc Martin, and some other show
> I think it's called the Dr. Grey Mysteries or something like that.  Those
> are about the only shows I watch with any regularity, which is to say maybe
> once every couple / three weeks.
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] From bad to worse to nightmare

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

Fine.  This cheap enough for ya?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRPmSgfIJqY

:D

On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 8:42 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Nice solution, but kleb can buy another car for less money.
>
>
> Herr MMM Sez:
>> http://edmtechcenter.com/index.php/products/hole-drilling/portable-edm-tap-remover
>>
>> I'm just sayin'.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT What's on?

[WILTON via Mercedes]

They've NOT settled down.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Andrew Strasfogel" 
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2016 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT What's on?



I use to watch Doc Martin but lost track when he and Louisa settled down.
Is it still good?

On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 7:19 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


I hear there is a show about an owl on tonight, the Superb Owl, also a

show about a liberated girl Downtown Abby.  Which will you be watching?

--R




Non a dem


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Re: [MBZ] OT, Death by Stupidity

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

https://archive.org/details/BallotBoxBunny

7:10 mark.

On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 2:17 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I'm pretty sure he had a graduate degree in mathematics and probability
>
> --R
>
>
> On 2/5/16 7:45 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> I especially like the way he increased his probability of death from .167
>> to
>> .200 before playing the game.
>>
>> Mitch.
>>
>> On February 5, 2016 at 7:21 PM Rich Thomas via Mercedes
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> There is this, a strong argument for Darwinism:
>>>
>>> http://www.thestate.com/news/local/article58604888.html
>>>
>>> --R
>>>
>>>
>>>Deputies: Lancaster man died playing Russian roulette with revolver
>>>
>>> Authorities said a man found dead shot himself while playing Russian
>>> roulette
>>>
>>> Deputies ruled the death accidental
>>>
>>> Lancaster County authorities released this photo of Brandon Wheeler
>>> Reese’s truck. RockHill
>>>
>>> Lancaster County authorities believe the man found dead last month in
>>> his truck was not killed in a homicide, but died accidentally playing
>>> Russian roulette.
>>>
>>> On Jan. 12, deputies were called to the intersection of John Everall
>>> Road and Sunnybrook Lane where they found Brandon Wheeler Reese, 22, of
>>> Lancaster, shot dead inside his truck
>>> .
>>> Lakendrick Wade
>>>
>>> Deputies and the State Law Enforcement Division collected evidence,
>>> gathered leads and began a homicide investigation.
>>>
>>> Friday morning, the sheriff’s office released new details after
>>> determining his death was accidental.
>>>
>>> Deputies spoke with Lakendrick Tayon Wade, 20, of Lancaster, who was
>>> determined to have been one of three people with Mr. Reese when he was
>>> shot.
>>>
>>> According to Wade, Reese came to his home on McIlwain Road wanting to
>>> obtain a gun. Reese drove Wade and another person to Palidin Trailer
>>> Park to the home of the fourth person to obtain the weapon, the
>>> sheriff’s office reports.
>>>
>>> The owner of the revolver stood outside the open front passenger door of
>>> the truck and handed Reese an S .38 special revolver. He told Reese
>>> that if he successfully played Russian roulette with the revolver, he
>>> could take it, a release states.
>>>
>>> Reese spun the cylinder once and pulled the trigger with the revolver
>>> pointed toward the floorboard of the truck. It did not fire. Reese then
>>> pointed the revolver at the right side of his head and pulled the
>>> trigger again. The revolver fired, killing Reese at Palidin Trailer
>>> Park, according to the release.
>>>
>>> “The owner of the revolver retrieved it and left the scene. Wade and the
>>> third person in the truck moved Mr. Reese to the front passenger
>>> floorboard of his truck, and Wade drove Mr. Reese to Springs Memorial
>>> Hospital,” the release states. “Wade became fearful when he arrived at
>>> the hospital and did not stop.”
>>>
>>> Wade then drove the truck to the location it was discovered on John
>>> Everall Road, and he and the third person left walking.
>>>
>>> The owner of the revolver assisted investigators in recovering the gun,
>>> which was determined by a firearms examiner at SLED to be the firearm
>>> which fired the fatal bullet.
>>>
>>> Wade was also questioned by investigators about a shooting incident that
>>> occurred at 605 East Marion Street, Kershaw, on Jan. 3 and was charged
>>> with attempted murder in that case.
>>>
>>> Sheriff Barry Faile extended sympathy to Reese’s family and friends.
>>>
>>>
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>>> http://www.thestate.com/news/local/article58604888.html#storylink=cpy
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Re: [MBZ] OT What's on?

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Wife is going through the whole series now - - -

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> If you like Brit mysteries with some complexity and some humor, try
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Re: [MBZ] From bad to worse to nightmare

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Fine.  This cheap enough for ya?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRPmSgfIJqY

:D


I can see Rich or Jim doing that in an hour or two.  K'leb?

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Re: [MBZ] 77 240D glow system woe

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Max wrote:
> 
> Jaime,
> 
> We tested the plugs with a cheap-o multi-meter, which
> showed that all had about the same resistance of about 0.5
> ohms.

The resistance is so low that a milliohm meter is the only
effectively measure the resistance.  But 0.5 ohm means none
of them are open. :)

> If one or more has gone bad, would that cause a total lack
> of voltage to the fuse on the firewall?

No.  They could all fail and there would still be supply power.

> What other test can be used?  I didn't want to use jumper
> cables to apply power to just one plug at a time, because I
> was afraid I'd burn them up, assuming each is meant to
> power up with just 1/4 of 12 volts (series circuit).

You are correct.  12 V to one series style plug will cause it
to burn out _very_ fast.

> I found an old posting from Marshall Booth that I have
> preserved on the MBCA forum, which is the factory
> trouble-shooting steps for 1975-76 300D, and that shows a
> thermo-time switch in the circuit.

If you can bypass or short past the thermo-timer, you could
use jumper cables to apply power to the beginning of the
chain (first plug) and test them all.

Power to the first one, ground the last one - that should
energize all the plugs safely.  Just remember the "toaster"
wires between the plugs get hot!

With power applied, you can use a volt meter with one lead on
ground an the other measure the voltage at each plug.  12 V
at the first one, 9 at the second, 6 at the third, and 3 at
the last one with the ground strap or wire to the thermo-switch.

> According to that document, a no-voltage condition points
> to the relay.

If there is no voltage at the first plug, then something is
interrupting the supply.  Open fuse, bad switch or relay,
mouse chewed wire, etc.

> It is not clear to me that a burned out lamp in the
> instrument panel would cause total failure of the system or
> not.

For the systems with a relay, the lamp is just an indicator
(best I can tell) and has no effect on the function of the plugs.


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Re: [MBZ] 77 240D glow system woe

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Thanks Philip and all, Eric has tested for power at the appropriate pins of
the relay socket, and power is there when it should be, so it looks like
time for a replacement relay.

-
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Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] From bad to worse to nightmare

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Yep got a set on the way from Amazon along with a new condenser and drier

Sent from my iPhone

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>> Kaleb wrote:
>> 
>> How the heck am I going to get this hardened tap out of the hole?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes 400SEL Long Body Very Rare

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

What year do you think that is?

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
1990 300D
Wickford RI
On Feb 7, 2016 9:01 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
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> Screw the harness - I LOVE that color.
>
> On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 4:46 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Better look closely at upper and lower engine wiring harnesses.  Bet the
> > ETA harness is shot, but there’s no way to tell without twisting it up
> and
> > seeing if you go into limp-home mode.  Otherwise it’s something best left
> > alone.
> >
> > AC evaporator is a time bomb.
> >
> > I dig those heather seat, though.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> > > On Feb 7, 2016, at 4:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Must be a clever new name for Gray.
> > >
> > > That is a SLICK car at a SICK price.  Wonder what's wrong with it...
> > >
> > > On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 2:02 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> > > Heh. Interesting color, I don’t think I’ve seen that color on a W140
> > before.
> > >
> > > Nice Heather seats, too.
> > >
> > >
> > > Dan
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Feb 7, 2016, at 1:59 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > For all of the long body devotees
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Fred Moir.
> > > > Lynn MA.
> > > > Diesel preferred.
> > > >
> > > > Mercedes 400SEL Long Body Very Rare
> > > >
> > > > http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/cto/5437062532.html <
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Re: [MBZ] From bad to worse to nightmare

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

http://edmtechcenter.com/index.php/products/hole-drilling/portable-edm-tap-remover

I'm just sayin'.

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> Yep got a set on the way from Amazon along with a new condenser and drier
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Feb 7, 2016, at 7:03 PM, fmiser via Mercedes 
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>
> >> Kaleb wrote:
> >>
> >> How the heck am I going to get this hardened tap out of the hole?
> >
> > There are tap extractors.  Arms stick down to fit in the
> > slots down the side of the tap.
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes 400SEL Long Body Very Rare

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

1993, I believe.  Starting in 1994 the model numbering system changed and it 
would become an S420.

1991-3 were 300SEL, 400SEL, etc. in the W140 chassis.

Dan


> On Feb 7, 2016, at 9:18 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> What year do you think that is?
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> 1982 300CD
> 1990 300D
> Wickford RI
> On Feb 7, 2016 9:01 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> 
>> Screw the harness - I LOVE that color.
>> 
>> On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 4:46 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
>> 
>>> Better look closely at upper and lower engine wiring harnesses.  Bet the
>>> ETA harness is shot, but there’s no way to tell without twisting it up
>> and
>>> seeing if you go into limp-home mode.  Otherwise it’s something best left
>>> alone.
>>> 
>>> AC evaporator is a time bomb.
>>> 
>>> I dig those heather seat, though.
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
>>> 
 On Feb 7, 2016, at 4:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
>>> wrote:
 
 Must be a clever new name for Gray.
 
 That is a SLICK car at a SICK price.  Wonder what's wrong with it...
 
 On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 2:02 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com  
>>> >> wrote:
 Heh. Interesting color, I don’t think I’ve seen that color on a W140
>>> before.
 
 Nice Heather seats, too.
 
 
 Dan
 
 
> On Feb 7, 2016, at 1:59 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com  
>>> >> wrote:
> 
> For all of the long body devotees
> 
> 
> Fred Moir.
> Lynn MA.
> Diesel preferred.
> 
> Mercedes 400SEL Long Body Very Rare
> 
> http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/cto/5437062532.html 
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Re: [MBZ] OT What's on?

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

If you like Brit mysteries with some complexity and some humor, try Midsomer 
Murders.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Meade Dillon via Mercedes
> Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2016 6:40 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Meade Dillon 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT What's on?
> 
> I really enjoy Downton Abbey, Father Brown, Doc Martin, and some other
> show I think it's called the Dr. Grey Mysteries or something like that.  Those
> are about the only shows I watch with any regularity, which is to say maybe
> once every couple / three weeks.
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 6:18 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > Horrible indeed.  By any objective measure all but the poorest (or
> > mentally ill) Americans (and most Westerners) live better than the
> > peerage and royalty of that period.  I would include things like hot
> > running water, HVAC, nutrition, transportation, entertainment,
> > medicine, etc.  Too bad so many folks are spring-loaded to bitch about
> > what they don't have vs enjoying what they do have.
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> > > Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2016 5:45 PM
> > > To: Mercedes List 
> > > Cc: Dan Penoff 
> > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT What's on?
> > >
> > > Heh.  I regularly hassle the wife about “Downtown Abbey”.  Truth be
> > told, it’s
> > > actually very well done from a historical accuracy standpoint.  They
> > went to
> > > great lengths to depict Edwardian England as accurately as possible.
> > >
> > > Must have been a horrible place.
> > >
> > > Dan
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Feb 7, 2016, at 5:40 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I hear there is a show about an owl on tonight, the Superb Owl,
> > > > also a
> > show
> > > about a liberated girl Downtown Abby.  Which will you be watching?
> > > >
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes 400SEL Long Body Very Rare

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Nice color.  At least it is not black.

almost cheep enough to get me interested in a 140, but then there is 
the self destructing wiring.  I'll pass.


Too bad the Deutsches goobermnt goobered up the wiring for so many years.

But the goobermnt goobers did what goobermnt goobers do.  Make 
problems where none existed.


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