date:20160608

The Law Offices of Dewey, Cheatem, and Howe were in a third floor office
overlooking Hahvahd Squayuh, the building at one point was renovated and
they put the window back that had the lettering on it. It's right next
to where the T station is. Those radio idiots say they set it up but it
was there for a long time before they got going. (They, BTW, were
a**holes too at their shop)

There used to be a bar down the street called 33 Dunster St where you
could get cheap beer, but you had to keep an eye on it so the
cockroaches wouldn't carry it away. It got bought and renovated into
the John Harvard Brew Pub, which is (was) pretty good but none of the
"charm" remained. The whole area got totally yuppified.

--JC

On 6/7/16 10:53 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Hahahaha.. I see you area graduate of the internship at the law firm of
Dewy, Cheatum, and Howe..

Good questions.. Your Honor.. could we now view this video recorded prior
to and during the crash, and could you mark it as exhibit #1 please?

And.. Objection, your Honor.. badgering the witness.. again.. : <)))

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 6:04 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Prejudicial to my client! It shows facts!

Mr. Mann is it not true that you braked heavily immediately before the
impact with my injured client?

Mr. Mann, is it not true that you are a known bipedalist and have been for
most of your life?

Mr. Mann, is it not true that you slandered my client through an email
service known as "okiebenz" and that your slander has reached a worldwide
audience of vindictive retributionists who are addicted to FOREIGN
automobiles? Do you yourself own FOREIGN automobiles? GERMAN automobiles
used prominently by NAZIS? Are you a NAZI Mr. Mann? Please answer
truthfully!

--R

On 6/7/16 8:50 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Since this may end up in court.. better not to publish it on you tube..
I'm
advised.. at this point..

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 2:17 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Why not upload the video to YouTube, private not public, then send us the

link? Are there privacy or legal concerns?
--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On June 7, 2016 10:44:46 AM EDT, G Mann via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Yes Ed,
In all the years as a member on this site, I've never posted a thread,
only
responded, because I have never been able to find a "post here" link
from
the Home Page, if that's the right name for it.

I always just wrote it off as my own lack of "geekness" .. but now it
seems
there is perhaps some structural issue that keeps it from allowing
access?

Above my pay grade in any case..

About a month ago.. I bought and installed one of the Black Box dash
cameras we spoke about in a thread.. 4 days ago, while driving the
speed
limit down a straight stretch of highway.. I got hit in the rear with
enough force to drive the car 1000 ft forward, across oncoming traffic,
into a block wall all now on video, because the camera was on when
ever
the car was running.. Thought I would post a link of the crash, as it
happened, with sound from the built in mic in the camera, just so
members
could see it..

The car that hit mine was totaled, mine can be repaired, maybe. The
lawyers
and doctors are ecstatic at having it all on video. The police are very
convinced of my version of the event after viewing the video.
I think the camera just paid for it's self.

No joy on being able to post a thread.. Ohhh well. It will keep for
now.

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 4:42 AM, Ed Booher via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Also, the site https://www.okiebenz.com/ routes to an error page.
Maybe

the
site doesn't have a proper certificate? The hosting company just

gives the

generic "Contact the webmaster" page.

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 3:09 PM, G Mann via Mercedes

wrote:

Thanks heaps for your response.. I'm "computer challenged" in PC
speak..
so

all direction gladly accepted.

The issue "seems to be" that the site address is http://.

www.oakiebenz.com

which Java will not accept because it is not "https" thus, in Java

wisdom
not a secure site and verboten..

Because Java will not allow the site to fully open, all the "click

here"
boxes on the opening page remain empty, or non responsive.. thus,
I'm
blocked from access to them.. what ever they are.. All I get is the
open
page welcoming me to OakieBenz with a nice picture of a Merc..

Stumped and Stupid... seems to about cover it.. ;))

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Making the assumption of Windows here. Java has a "Control
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Re: [MBZ] Project For Someone


MAx needs to jump on that and transplant Wilton's car's drivetrain into it

--R


On 6/8/16 1:01 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

Other than me.

https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/cto/5609213819.html

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Mexicans

Speaking of Mexicans, I note that The Don is being called a "racist" for 
his comments about a judge of Mexican heritage and some lawsuit or 
other.  I did not realize there was a Mexican race, other than the Baja 
races.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: I'm back!

Around here after 3 or 4 years they fall down after a heavy wet snowfall.
A friend had two, one fell down and damaged his prized Mercury Marauder during 
a heavy wet snow, the other had a small tree fall on it and damage his boat. I 
don't want one...
-Curt

  From: Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2016 10:29 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: I'm back!
   
The fabric buildings are becoming very popular.  Thye are popping up all 
over the country.  For a garage, shop, storage etc, they are great.  
People build concrete or T&G treated lumber walls, then put the building 
on top.  They are warmer in the winter, lighter inside to work in the 
daytime, and often cooler in the summer than alternatives.  They can be 
made rodent proof and bug proof.  Many are being used for grain storage.

> Craig via Mercedes 
> June 7, 2016 at 1:49 PMvia Postbox 
> 
> On Mon, 6 Jun 2016 17:06:06 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
>   wrote:
>
>> 15 year warranty... Doesn't mention how much snow load its rated for.
>> I'm thinking more like: http://www.americansteelspan.com/garagekits.html
>> -Curt
>
> I think those are better long term; the Farmtek buildings are "quick and
> dirty."
>
>
> Craig
>
>
>>        From: Craig via Mercedes
>>  To: Mercedes Discussion List
>> Cc: Craig
>>  Sent: Monday, June 6, 2016 12:02 PM
>>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: I'm back!
>>
>> On Sun, 05 Jun 2016 21:00:26 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes
>>   wrote:
>>
>>> Farmtek.com
>> As in
>> http://www.farmtek.com/farm/supplies/cat1a;ft_fabric_buildings.html
>>
>>      and
>>
>> http://www.farmtek.com/farm/supplies/cat1;ft_fabric_buildings;ft_garages_vehicle_storage.html
>>
>>
>> Craig
>>
>>
 Curt Raymond via Mercedes

 Should mostly pay for the tractor mentioned above but we'll need
 another building to put it in. Looking at maybe a quonset hut in
 the size of a 2 car garage...
 -Curt
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>                                              hood paint and attend to the
>                         headlight switch -- and now I
>                                              need to do something about the
>                                              broken left rear trailing arm)
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> 15 year warranty... Doesn't mention how much snow load its rated for.
> I'm thinking more like: http://www.americansteelspan.com/garagekits.html
> -Curt
>
>        From: Craig via Mercedes
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc: Craig
>  Sent: Monday, June 6, 2016 12:02 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: I'm back!
>
> On Sun, 05 Jun 2016 21:00:26 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes
>   wrote:
>
>> Farmtek.com
>
> As in http://www.farmtek.com/farm/supplies/cat1a;ft_fabric_buildings.html
>
>      and
>
> http://www.farmtek.com/farm/supplies/cat1;ft_fabric_buildings;ft_garages_vehicle_storage.html
>
>
> Craig
>
>
>>> Curt Raymond via Mercedes
>>>
>>> Should mostly pay for the tractor mentioned above but we'll need
>>> another building to put it in. Looking at maybe a quonset hut in the
>>> size of a 2 car garage...
>>> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Dash camera crash video

2016-06-08 Thread Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes

Hope you are ok G Mann.

I put one camera in my car and one I my wife's right after Wilton accident.
She has already been rear ended once (second time since that car was new in
Jan 2015). Unfortunately, she had unplugged the camera to keep her phone
charged, which is actually more important due to her job, so I don't blame
her. But I will have to find a way to hard wire the camera.

Fortunately I insist that she keep a double ball drawbar in the hitch
receiver at all times, which seems to fold the offending vehicle nicely up
the middle while slowing it down enough to not contact the Touareg much.
One time it was a 4runner and one time a kia, both at about 25 MPH while
she was stopped at an intersection waiting for cars in front of her. Both
times young femae drivers. Clearly people are texting and driving a lot.
Looking for a hitch for the 124 wagon now.
On Jun 7, 2016 10:18 AM, "G Mann via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> OK.. thanks to everyone. Let's try this and see if it works.
>
> Video from Black Box dash camera from 5 days ago when I got hit in the rear
> while driving at the speed limit. Car that hit me is certainly a total..
> entire front crush area "crushed" .. my car may be repairable, the process
> has only started.. but it and I are hurt... I left the scene in an
> ambulance, the car on a flatbed.
>
> The camera only gives a "forward view" of the crash.. I had made the
> decision to purchase a second camera for the rear.. just had not ordered
> it.. best plans of mice and men. I would love to have had a rear view video
> of the crash.. I suspect driver was on a cell phone or distracted..
>
> On impact the car was driven 800+ feet, across oncoming traffic into a
> block wall.. First 45 seconds of the video cover all that happened.. it
> runs 2min 16 sec, before I shut the camera off.
>
> I think the camera just paid for it's self.. Thought I would try to "share
> the experience" .. Special thanks to Wilton.. since your crash event
> triggered my decision to install the camera. Like you, it could have gone
> so much worse, for example, if there had been oncoming traffic.. I missed
> the next opposing car by about 12 seconds.. Likely it would have been fatal
> for most, in that case.. with head on.
>
> 
>  20150010.MOV
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Mexicans

The guy is second generation, born in Indiana. Trump's suggestion was pretty 
dumb but I agree, nationality and religion are often confused with race.
-Curt

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Cc: Joel Cairo 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 9:51 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Mexicans
   
Speaking of Mexicans, I note that The Don is being called a "racist" for 
his comments about a judge of Mexican heritage and some lawsuit or 
other.  I did not realize there was a Mexican race, other than the Baja 
races.

--JC

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Re: [MBZ] Dash camera crash video

Careful where you go with that hitch sticking out, AFAIK in most places its 
illegal to have a shin buster installed unless you've got a trailer on it.
I've never been seriously hassled but I've had a couple different cops point 
this out.
Also I've had a couple trucks where the hitch got rusted to the receiver, 
keeping the receiver in the pickup seems to solve that problem as does grease...
-Curt

  From: Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
 To: "mercedes@okiebenz com"  
Cc: Karl Wittnebel 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 9:58 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dash camera crash video
   
Hope you are ok G Mann.

I put one camera in my car and one I my wife's right after Wilton accident.
She has already been rear ended once (second time since that car was new in
Jan 2015). Unfortunately, she had unplugged the camera to keep her phone
charged, which is actually more important due to her job, so I don't blame
her. But I will have to find a way to hard wire the camera.

Fortunately I insist that she keep a double ball drawbar in the hitch
receiver at all times, which seems to fold the offending vehicle nicely up
the middle while slowing it down enough to not contact the Touareg much.
One time it was a 4runner and one time a kia, both at about 25 MPH while
she was stopped at an intersection waiting for cars in front of her. Both
times young femae drivers. Clearly people are texting and driving a lot.
Looking for a hitch for the 124 wagon now.
On Jun 7, 2016 10:18 AM, "G Mann via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> OK.. thanks to everyone. Let's try this and see if it works.
>
> Video from Black Box dash camera from 5 days ago when I got hit in the rear
> while driving at the speed limit. Car that hit me is certainly a total..
> entire front crush area "crushed" .. my car may be repairable, the process
> has only started.. but it and I are hurt... I left the scene in an
> ambulance, the car on a flatbed.
>
> The camera only gives a "forward view" of the crash.. I had made the
> decision to purchase a second camera for the rear.. just had not ordered
> it.. best plans of mice and men. I would love to have had a rear view video
> of the crash.. I suspect driver was on a cell phone or distracted..
>
> On impact the car was driven 800+ feet, across oncoming traffic into a
> block wall.. First 45 seconds of the video cover all that happened.. it
> runs 2min 16 sec, before I shut the camera off.
>
> I think the camera just paid for it's self.. Thought I would try to "share
> the experience" .. Special thanks to Wilton.. since your crash event
> triggered my decision to install the camera. Like you, it could have gone
> so much worse, for example, if there had been oncoming traffic.. I missed
> the next opposing car by about 12 seconds.. Likely it would have been fatal
> for most, in that case.. with head on.
>
> 
>  20150010.MOV
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Re: [MBZ] Dash camera crash video

Might be the case in nanny states but around here a hitch is a normal 
part of the attire for a truck.  And Truck Nutz too!


--JC


On 6/8/16 10:10 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Careful where you go with that hitch sticking out, AFAIK in most places its 
illegal to have a shin buster installed unless you've got a trailer on it.
I've never been seriously hassled but I've had a couple different cops point 
this out.
Also I've had a couple trucks where the hitch got rusted to the receiver, 
keeping the receiver in the pickup seems to solve that problem as does grease...
-Curt

   From: Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
  To: "mercedes@okiebenz com" 
Cc: Karl Wittnebel 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 9:58 AM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dash camera crash video

Hope you are ok G Mann.


I put one camera in my car and one I my wife's right after Wilton accident.
She has already been rear ended once (second time since that car was new in
Jan 2015). Unfortunately, she had unplugged the camera to keep her phone
charged, which is actually more important due to her job, so I don't blame
her. But I will have to find a way to hard wire the camera.

Fortunately I insist that she keep a double ball drawbar in the hitch
receiver at all times, which seems to fold the offending vehicle nicely up
the middle while slowing it down enough to not contact the Touareg much.
One time it was a 4runner and one time a kia, both at about 25 MPH while
she was stopped at an intersection waiting for cars in front of her. Both
times young femae drivers. Clearly people are texting and driving a lot.
Looking for a hitch for the 124 wagon now.
On Jun 7, 2016 10:18 AM, "G Mann via Mercedes" 
wrote:


OK.. thanks to everyone. Let's try this and see if it works.

Video from Black Box dash camera from 5 days ago when I got hit in the rear
while driving at the speed limit. Car that hit me is certainly a total..
entire front crush area "crushed" .. my car may be repairable, the process
has only started.. but it and I are hurt... I left the scene in an
ambulance, the car on a flatbed.

The camera only gives a "forward view" of the crash.. I had made the
decision to purchase a second camera for the rear.. just had not ordered
it.. best plans of mice and men. I would love to have had a rear view video
of the crash.. I suspect driver was on a cell phone or distracted..

On impact the car was driven 800+ feet, across oncoming traffic into a
block wall.. First 45 seconds of the video cover all that happened.. it
runs 2min 16 sec, before I shut the camera off.

I think the camera just paid for it's self.. Thought I would try to "share
the experience" .. Special thanks to Wilton.. since your crash event
triggered my decision to install the camera. Like you, it could have gone
so much worse, for example, if there had been oncoming traffic.. I missed
the next opposing car by about 12 seconds.. Likely it would have been fatal
for most, in that case.. with head on.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Mexicans

The "R" term only applies if you are NOT a blind follower of the 
pillory, the burn, or any number of other *-ist pols.  it has nothing to 
do with race, it only applies if you are not a dedicated follower.  the 
"D" pols are never branded with the "R" term.  in the same manner the 
"N" term can  be used without concern by pillory, the burn, or any 
number of other *-ist pols and their blind followers.  If anyone uses 
the "N" term, even if quoting someone licensed to use it, they are 
immediately branded with the "R" term.


But the media will be fast to tell you they are "just reporting" and 
have NO bias.


Just reporting life as it is, Sir!


Joel Cairo via Mercedes 
June 8, 2016 at 8:51 AMvia Postbox 

Speaking of Mexicans, I note that The Don is being called a "racist" 
for his comments about a judge of Mexican heritage and some lawsuit or 
other.  I did not realize there was a Mexican race, other than the 
Baja races.


--JC

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Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
June 8, 2016 at 12:38 AMvia Postbox 


The "pursuit of happiness" in the Declaration started out as "property" but
got changed during the staffing process, allegedly to avoid interpretation
as supporting slavery.


-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
Max Dillon via Mercedes
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 5:10 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Mexicans

Yes!  Individual ownership of property is one of the key factors that has

made

America (the U. S. part) very wealthy compared to the rest of the world.

The foundation of all wealth is land; free citizens who can create as much
wealth as they like with their land and the fruits of their labor will

make ANY

country wealthy.

Taxes and regulations that infringe on that land and labor will decrease
wealth.
--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On June 7, 2016 1:08:56 PM EDT, Mountain Man via Mercedes
  wrote:

--R wrote:

...not that it really mattered whether it was his or theirs.

Does it really matter for USAmericans?

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Max Dillon via Mercedes 
June 7, 2016 at 4:09 PMvia Postbox 

Yes! Individual ownership of property is one of the key factors that 
has made America (the U. S. part) very wealthy compared to the rest of 
the world.


The foundation of all wealth is land; free citizens who can create as 
much wealth as they like with their land and the fruits of their labor 
will make ANY country wealthy.


Taxes and regulations that infringe on that land and labor will 
decrease wealth.

Mountain Man via Mercedes 
June 7, 2016 at 12:08 PMvia Postbox 



Does it really matter for USAmericans? Do we exist better because we
really think it is our land?
We think it is our land, or maybe we don't? taxes, rent, mortgage
interest, etc.
We think we have representative government that is better than the
Spain related system Grant explained. Perhaps we still have the same
structure of overlord (despised concept) as south-of-the-border
countries (Grant explanation). We live better, or, do we? I bet we
could carry this OT further... except for cynicism, of course.
mao

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Joel Cairo via Mercedes 
June 7, 2016 at 10:50 AMvia Postbox 

That is an excellent description that is somewhat similar to what my 
niece explained, but more detail of the colonial mindset.  I can see 
that now.


We were in Costa Rica 3 or 4 years ago, we stayed a night at a nice 
little hotel compound not far from the airport as we had an early 
fli

Re: [MBZ] Dash camera crash video

Must be another one of those NE nanny state things.  I've never heard of 
such foolishness.



Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
June 8, 2016 at 9:10 AMvia Postbox 

Careful where you go with that hitch sticking out, AFAIK in most 
places its illegal to have a shin buster installed unless you've got a 
trailer on it.
I've never been seriously hassled but I've had a couple different cops 
point this out.
Also I've had a couple trucks where the hitch got rusted to the 
receiver, keeping the receiver in the pickup seems to solve that 
problem as does grease...

-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] Dash camera crash video

I was surprised when the first one mentioned it, most trucks have one sticking 
out. My biggest reason for removal is not Johnny Law but:
A. Keep it from rusting into placeand2. Keep from busting my shin on it
Actually #II is probably the most important reason...
-Curt

  From: Joel Cairo via Mercedes 
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Joel Cairo 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 10:16 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dash camera crash video
   
Might be the case in nanny states but around here a hitch is a normal 
part of the attire for a truck.  And Truck Nutz too!

--JC


On 6/8/16 10:10 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> Careful where you go with that hitch sticking out, AFAIK in most places its 
> illegal to have a shin buster installed unless you've got a trailer on it.
> I've never been seriously hassled but I've had a couple different cops point 
> this out.
> Also I've had a couple trucks where the hitch got rusted to the receiver, 
> keeping the receiver in the pickup seems to solve that problem as does 
> grease...
> -Curt
>
>        From: Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>  To: "mercedes@okiebenz com" 
> Cc: Karl Wittnebel 
>  Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 9:58 AM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dash camera crash video
>    
> Hope you are ok G Mann.
>
> I put one camera in my car and one I my wife's right after Wilton accident.
> She has already been rear ended once (second time since that car was new in
> Jan 2015). Unfortunately, she had unplugged the camera to keep her phone
> charged, which is actually more important due to her job, so I don't blame
> her. But I will have to find a way to hard wire the camera.
>
> Fortunately I insist that she keep a double ball drawbar in the hitch
> receiver at all times, which seems to fold the offending vehicle nicely up
> the middle while slowing it down enough to not contact the Touareg much.
> One time it was a 4runner and one time a kia, both at about 25 MPH while
> she was stopped at an intersection waiting for cars in front of her. Both
> times young femae drivers. Clearly people are texting and driving a lot.
> Looking for a hitch for the 124 wagon now.
> On Jun 7, 2016 10:18 AM, "G Mann via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
>
>> OK.. thanks to everyone. Let's try this and see if it works.
>>
>> Video from Black Box dash camera from 5 days ago when I got hit in the rear
>> while driving at the speed limit. Car that hit me is certainly a total..
>> entire front crush area "crushed" .. my car may be repairable, the process
>> has only started.. but it and I are hurt... I left the scene in an
>> ambulance, the car on a flatbed.
>>
>> The camera only gives a "forward view" of the crash.. I had made the
>> decision to purchase a second camera for the rear.. just had not ordered
>> it.. best plans of mice and men. I would love to have had a rear view video
>> of the crash.. I suspect driver was on a cell phone or distracted..
>>
>> On impact the car was driven 800+ feet, across oncoming traffic into a
>> block wall.. First 45 seconds of the video cover all that happened.. it
>> runs 2min 16 sec, before I shut the camera off.
>>
>> I think the camera just paid for it's self.. Thought I would try to "share
>> the experience" .. Special thanks to Wilton.. since your crash event
>> triggered my decision to install the camera. Like you, it could have gone
>> so much worse, for example, if there had been oncoming traffic.. I missed
>> the next opposing car by about 12 seconds.. Likely it would have been fatal
>> for most, in that case.. with head on.
>>
>> 
>>    20150010.MOV
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Re: [MBZ] Dash camera crash video

Rust?... What is rust? ... If you look at the sky condition in the video..
that's what it looks like here for 360 days out of the year... ;))  .08
inches of rain last month.. it was a "wet month"... haha..

Trailer hitch ball sticking out the back of a vehicle is almost required
here.. If you bark your shin on one.. you will remember next time to give
some space to other vehicles.. On closer inspection of the wreck damage,
looks like the hitch mount and sturdy receiver hitch with ball took the
hit, returned major damage to the attacking car and helped reduce the sheet
metal damage.

If you look on the site that sells the Black Box cameras, there is a
"people who bought this also bought" list below it.. One of those items is
a 12V to 5V hard wire power supply, and beside that is a listing for wiring
connectors to tap into your fuse box for a "key on" power. The power supply
has a generous 15 ft power cord. Cost is less than $10. I bought one.. have
not yet installed it.. for now, a duplex power plug for the lighter port
has been working.

After this event.. a dedicated rear facing camera is on my list.. as is an
on board digital hard drive, in a locked compartment.

Off to talk to lawyers and doctors... and body shops.. and the police..
busy work..

On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 7:22 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I was surprised when the first one mentioned it, most trucks have one
> sticking out. My biggest reason for removal is not Johnny Law but:
> A. Keep it from rusting into placeand2. Keep from busting my shin on it
> Actually #II is probably the most important reason...
> -Curt
>
>   From: Joel Cairo via Mercedes 
>  To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: Joel Cairo 
>  Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 10:16 AM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dash camera crash video
>
> Might be the case in nanny states but around here a hitch is a normal
> part of the attire for a truck.  And Truck Nutz too!
>
> --JC
>
>
> On 6/8/16 10:10 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> > Careful where you go with that hitch sticking out, AFAIK in most places
> its illegal to have a shin buster installed unless you've got a trailer on
> it.
> > I've never been seriously hassled but I've had a couple different cops
> point this out.
> > Also I've had a couple trucks where the hitch got rusted to the
> receiver, keeping the receiver in the pickup seems to solve that problem as
> does grease...
> > -Curt
> >
> >From: Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
> >  To: "mercedes@okiebenz com" 
> > Cc: Karl Wittnebel 
> >  Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 9:58 AM
> >  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dash camera crash video
> >
> > Hope you are ok G Mann.
> >
> > I put one camera in my car and one I my wife's right after Wilton
> accident.
> > She has already been rear ended once (second time since that car was new
> in
> > Jan 2015). Unfortunately, she had unplugged the camera to keep her phone
> > charged, which is actually more important due to her job, so I don't
> blame
> > her. But I will have to find a way to hard wire the camera.
> >
> > Fortunately I insist that she keep a double ball drawbar in the hitch
> > receiver at all times, which seems to fold the offending vehicle nicely
> up
> > the middle while slowing it down enough to not contact the Touareg much.
> > One time it was a 4runner and one time a kia, both at about 25 MPH while
> > she was stopped at an intersection waiting for cars in front of her. Both
> > times young femae drivers. Clearly people are texting and driving a lot.
> > Looking for a hitch for the 124 wagon now.
> > On Jun 7, 2016 10:18 AM, "G Mann via Mercedes" 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> OK.. thanks to everyone. Let's try this and see if it works.
> >>
> >> Video from Black Box dash camera from 5 days ago when I got hit in the
> rear
> >> while driving at the speed limit. Car that hit me is certainly a total..
> >> entire front crush area "crushed" .. my car may be repairable, the
> process
> >> has only started.. but it and I are hurt... I left the scene in an
> >> ambulance, the car on a flatbed.
> >>
> >> The camera only gives a "forward view" of the crash.. I had made the
> >> decision to purchase a second camera for the rear.. just had not ordered
> >> it.. best plans of mice and men. I would love to have had a rear view
> video
> >> of the crash.. I suspect driver was on a cell phone or distracted..
> >>
> >> On impact the car was driven 800+ feet, across oncoming traffic into a
> >> block wall.. First 45 seconds of the video cover all that happened.. it
> >> runs 2min 16 sec, before I shut the camera off.
> >>
> >> I think the camera just paid for it's self.. Thought I would try to
> "share
> >> the experience" .. Special thanks to Wilton.. since your crash event
> >> triggered my decision to install the camera. Like you, it could have
> gone
> >> so much worse, for example, if there had been oncoming traffic.. I
> missed
> >> the next opposing car by about 12 seconds.. Likely it would have been
> fatal
> >>

Re: [MBZ] Snook Needs Help!

I was able to locate a compressor kit.  The compressor is even new.  It comes 
with a new drier, and new orifice tube and all the o rings.  It was $200.  I am 
not sure what it would cost for labor. I have to figure out whether it is worth 
it to fix.  When I drive it when its 90+ degrees outside, it sure feels like it 
would be worth the money.  But, I rarely drive it.  It has 147,000 miles.  But 
for three seasons of the year, I don't need air.  The kid who had it before me 
spent money putting in a whole new exhaust. I wish he would have spent the 
money on the a/c.   It sits a lot, but whenever I need it, it starts right up 
no problem.  It's a dependable old work truck.  

-Original Message-
From: Peter Frederick [mailto:psf...@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 8:44 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Snook Needs Help!

Is that an expansion valve or an orifice tube/accumulator system?  If it's an 
orifice tube (a common system these days, cycles the clutch by low side 
pressure) you will need to flush the whole system out if the screen is plugged, 
replace the trashed compressor (where all the crap came from) and put a filter 
in the high side line so it won't clog up again.

Probably need a filter in the low side line as well since it's impossible to 
flush all the crud out of a multi-tube type evaporator
-- no filter, you trash a new compressor right away and end up where you 
started.

This is why my Volvo didn't have AC, too hard to find a compressor for it.

Peter



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Re: [MBZ] Dash camera crash video

How would you hook up a cam to a hard drive?  They all use SD cards and 
just keep recording over and over.  I put a 32GB in mine, that is good 
for like 4 hours of vid I think it said.  You could get a Raspi and 
camera (I think the new boards might support 2 cams now so you could do 
front and back, and even hook up a little display) and use a USB HDD or 
SSD to record, that would work, and would be pretty cheap to set up.


--R


On 6/8/16 11:20 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

After this event.. a dedicated rear facing camera is on my list.. as is an
on board digital hard drive, in a locked compartment.


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Re: [MBZ] Snook Needs Help!

You could put it all in yourself easy enough then just take it to the 
shop to get evacuated and filled.


--JC


On 6/8/16 11:20 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:

I was able to locate a compressor kit.  The compressor is even new.  It comes 
with a new drier, and new orifice tube and all the o rings.  It was $200.  I am 
not sure what it would cost for labor. I have to figure out whether it is worth 
it to fix.  When I drive it when its 90+ degrees outside, it sure feels like it 
would be worth the money.  But, I rarely drive it.  It has 147,000 miles.  But 
for three seasons of the year, I don't need air.  The kid who had it before me 
spent money putting in a whole new exhaust. I wish he would have spent the 
money on the a/c.   It sits a lot, but whenever I need it, it starts right up 
no problem.  It's a dependable old work truck.

-Original Message-
From: Peter Frederick [mailto:psf...@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 8:44 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Snook Needs Help!

Is that an expansion valve or an orifice tube/accumulator system?  If it's an 
orifice tube (a common system these days, cycles the clutch by low side 
pressure) you will need to flush the whole system out if the screen is plugged, 
replace the trashed compressor (where all the crap came from) and put a filter 
in the high side line so it won't clog up again.

Probably need a filter in the low side line as well since it's impossible to 
flush all the crud out of a multi-tube type evaporator
-- no filter, you trash a new compressor right away and end up where you 
started.

This is why my Volvo didn't have AC, too hard to find a compressor for it.

Peter



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[MBZ] 123 Diesel in Kansas

Here is a 123 diesel that looks from the pictures like rust has not gotten to 
it.

I haven't kept up with the values of these cars in the last few years.  I 
thought the price seemed a little high.  But, if it really has no rust, I do 
know these are getting harder and harder to find.

Not mine by the way.  Just saw the ad.

https://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/5621056410.html

Don Snook
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[MBZ] 126 in Kansas

I saw this ad a while ago and meant to send it to the list.   Its only 
interesting because the seller (author of the ad) must have a good sense of 
humor!

https://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/5556427119.html

Don Snook
Still looking for the ideal MB
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Re: [MBZ] Snook Needs Help!

That sounds like quite a reasonable price.
Installation labor shouldn't be too hard to do yourself, then take it to an AC 
place to have them vacuum it down and charge, or just get it vacuumed down and 
charge it yourself, thats pretty easy too. Don't forget some new oil.
-Curt

  From: Donald Snook via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Donald Snook 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 11:20 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Snook Needs Help!

I was able to locate a compressor kit.  The compressor is even new.  It comes 
with a new drier, and new orifice tube and all the o rings.  It was $200.  I am 
not sure what it would cost for labor. I have to figure out whether it is worth 
it to fix.  When I drive it when its 90+ degrees outside, it sure feels like it 
would be worth the money.  But, I rarely drive it.  It has 147,000 miles.  But 
for three seasons of the year, I don't need air.  The kid who had it before me 
spent money putting in a whole new exhaust. I wish he would have spent the 
money on the a/c.  It sits a lot, but whenever I need it, it starts right up no 
problem.  It's a dependable old work truck.  

-Original Message-
From: Peter Frederick [mailto:psf...@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 8:44 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Snook Needs Help!

Is that an expansion valve or an orifice tube/accumulator system?  If it's an 
orifice tube (a common system these days, cycles the clutch by low side 
pressure) you will need to flush the whole system out if the screen is plugged, 
replace the trashed compressor (where all the crap came from) and put a filter 
in the high side line so it won't clog up again.

Probably need a filter in the low side line as well since it's impossible to 
flush all the crud out of a multi-tube type evaporator
-- no filter, you trash a new compressor right away and end up where you 
started.

This is why my Volvo didn't have AC, too hard to find a compressor for it.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Dash camera crash video

2016-06-08 Thread Ed Booher via Mercedes

What we need is 360 degree visibility (so four cameras, realistically) a
video muxing unit small enough to mount in the trunk with the SSD (Hard
drive / spinning platters may fail in a hard enough crash) plus Cellular
radio with Google Drive for backup streaming to the cloud. That way if the
little punk realizes you have cameras and somehow manages to pull the SSD
and run, you've still got it on an upload.

Bam!

On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 11:20 AM, G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Rust?... What is rust? ... If you look at the sky condition in the video..
> that's what it looks like here for 360 days out of the year... ;))  .08
> inches of rain last month.. it was a "wet month"... haha..
>
> Trailer hitch ball sticking out the back of a vehicle is almost required
> here.. If you bark your shin on one.. you will remember next time to give
> some space to other vehicles.. On closer inspection of the wreck damage,
> looks like the hitch mount and sturdy receiver hitch with ball took the
> hit, returned major damage to the attacking car and helped reduce the sheet
> metal damage.
>
> If you look on the site that sells the Black Box cameras, there is a
> "people who bought this also bought" list below it.. One of those items is
> a 12V to 5V hard wire power supply, and beside that is a listing for wiring
> connectors to tap into your fuse box for a "key on" power. The power supply
> has a generous 15 ft power cord. Cost is less than $10. I bought one.. have
> not yet installed it.. for now, a duplex power plug for the lighter port
> has been working.
>
> After this event.. a dedicated rear facing camera is on my list.. as is an
> on board digital hard drive, in a locked compartment.
>
> Off to talk to lawyers and doctors... and body shops.. and the police..
> busy work..
>
> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 7:22 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I was surprised when the first one mentioned it, most trucks have one
> > sticking out. My biggest reason for removal is not Johnny Law but:
> > A. Keep it from rusting into placeand2. Keep from busting my shin on it
> > Actually #II is probably the most important reason...
> > -Curt
> >
> >   From: Joel Cairo via Mercedes 
> >  To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Cc: Joel Cairo 
> >  Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 10:16 AM
> >  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dash camera crash video
> >
> > Might be the case in nanny states but around here a hitch is a normal
> > part of the attire for a truck.  And Truck Nutz too!
> >
> > --JC
> >
> >
> > On 6/8/16 10:10 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> > > Careful where you go with that hitch sticking out, AFAIK in most places
> > its illegal to have a shin buster installed unless you've got a trailer
> on
> > it.
> > > I've never been seriously hassled but I've had a couple different cops
> > point this out.
> > > Also I've had a couple trucks where the hitch got rusted to the
> > receiver, keeping the receiver in the pickup seems to solve that problem
> as
> > does grease...
> > > -Curt
> > >
> > >From: Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
> > >  To: "mercedes@okiebenz com" 
> > > Cc: Karl Wittnebel 
> > >  Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 9:58 AM
> > >  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dash camera crash video
> > >
> > > Hope you are ok G Mann.
> > >
> > > I put one camera in my car and one I my wife's right after Wilton
> > accident.
> > > She has already been rear ended once (second time since that car was
> new
> > in
> > > Jan 2015). Unfortunately, she had unplugged the camera to keep her
> phone
> > > charged, which is actually more important due to her job, so I don't
> > blame
> > > her. But I will have to find a way to hard wire the camera.
> > >
> > > Fortunately I insist that she keep a double ball drawbar in the hitch
> > > receiver at all times, which seems to fold the offending vehicle nicely
> > up
> > > the middle while slowing it down enough to not contact the Touareg
> much.
> > > One time it was a 4runner and one time a kia, both at about 25 MPH
> while
> > > she was stopped at an intersection waiting for cars in front of her.
> Both
> > > times young femae drivers. Clearly people are texting and driving a
> lot.
> > > Looking for a hitch for the 124 wagon now.
> > > On Jun 7, 2016 10:18 AM, "G Mann via Mercedes" 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> OK.. thanks to everyone. Let's try this and see if it works.
> > >>
> > >> Video from Black Box dash camera from 5 days ago when I got hit in the
> > rear
> > >> while driving at the speed limit. Car that hit me is certainly a
> total..
> > >> entire front crush area "crushed" .. my car may be repairable, the
> > process
> > >> has only started.. but it and I are hurt... I left the scene in an
> > >> ambulance, the car on a flatbed.
> > >>
> > >> The camera only gives a "forward view" of the crash.. I had made the
> > >> decision to purchase a second camera for the rear.. just had not
> ordered
> > >> it.. best plans of mice and men. I would love to have had a rear view
> > video
> >

Re: [MBZ] Dash camera crash video

360deg camera is what you need, there are a bunch on the market. 
Banggood have some reasonable price


http://www.banggood.com/search/360-degree-camera.html

--R


On 6/8/16 11:53 AM, Ed Booher via Mercedes wrote:

What we need is 360 degree visibility (so four cameras, realistically) a
video muxing unit small enough to mount in the trunk with the SSD (Hard
drive / spinning platters may fail in a hard enough crash) plus Cellular
radio with Google Drive for backup streaming to the cloud. That way if the
little punk realizes you have cameras and somehow manages to pull the SSD
and run, you've still got it on an upload.

Bam!

On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 11:20 AM, G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:


Rust?... What is rust? ... If you look at the sky condition in the video..
that's what it looks like here for 360 days out of the year... ;))  .08
inches of rain last month.. it was a "wet month"... haha..

Trailer hitch ball sticking out the back of a vehicle is almost required
here.. If you bark your shin on one.. you will remember next time to give
some space to other vehicles.. On closer inspection of the wreck damage,
looks like the hitch mount and sturdy receiver hitch with ball took the
hit, returned major damage to the attacking car and helped reduce the sheet
metal damage.

If you look on the site that sells the Black Box cameras, there is a
"people who bought this also bought" list below it.. One of those items is
a 12V to 5V hard wire power supply, and beside that is a listing for wiring
connectors to tap into your fuse box for a "key on" power. The power supply
has a generous 15 ft power cord. Cost is less than $10. I bought one.. have
not yet installed it.. for now, a duplex power plug for the lighter port
has been working.

After this event.. a dedicated rear facing camera is on my list.. as is an
on board digital hard drive, in a locked compartment.

Off to talk to lawyers and doctors... and body shops.. and the police..
busy work..

On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 7:22 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


I was surprised when the first one mentioned it, most trucks have one
sticking out. My biggest reason for removal is not Johnny Law but:
A. Keep it from rusting into placeand2. Keep from busting my shin on it
Actually #II is probably the most important reason...
-Curt

   From: Joel Cairo via Mercedes 
  To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Joel Cairo 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 10:16 AM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dash camera crash video

Might be the case in nanny states but around here a hitch is a normal
part of the attire for a truck.  And Truck Nutz too!

--JC


On 6/8/16 10:10 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Careful where you go with that hitch sticking out, AFAIK in most places

its illegal to have a shin buster installed unless you've got a trailer

on

it.

I've never been seriously hassled but I've had a couple different cops

point this out.

Also I've had a couple trucks where the hitch got rusted to the

receiver, keeping the receiver in the pickup seems to solve that problem

as

does grease...

-Curt

From: Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
  To: "mercedes@okiebenz com" 
Cc: Karl Wittnebel 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 9:58 AM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dash camera crash video

Hope you are ok G Mann.

I put one camera in my car and one I my wife's right after Wilton

accident.

She has already been rear ended once (second time since that car was

new

in

Jan 2015). Unfortunately, she had unplugged the camera to keep her

phone

charged, which is actually more important due to her job, so I don't

blame

her. But I will have to find a way to hard wire the camera.

Fortunately I insist that she keep a double ball drawbar in the hitch
receiver at all times, which seems to fold the offending vehicle nicely

up

the middle while slowing it down enough to not contact the Touareg

much.

One time it was a 4runner and one time a kia, both at about 25 MPH

while

she was stopped at an intersection waiting for cars in front of her.

Both

times young femae drivers. Clearly people are texting and driving a

lot.

Looking for a hitch for the 124 wagon now.
On Jun 7, 2016 10:18 AM, "G Mann via Mercedes" 
wrote:


OK.. thanks to everyone. Let's try this and see if it works.

Video from Black Box dash camera from 5 days ago when I got hit in the

rear

while driving at the speed limit. Car that hit me is certainly a

total..

entire front crush area "crushed" .. my car may be repairable, the

process

has only started.. but it and I are hurt... I left the scene in an
ambulance, the car on a flatbed.

The camera only gives a "forward view" of the crash.. I had made the
decision to purchase a second camera for the rear.. just had not

ordered

it.. best plans of mice and men. I would love to have had a rear view

video

of the crash.. I suspect driver was on a cell phone or distracted..

On impact the car was driven 800+ feet, across oncoming traffic into a
block wall.. First 45 seconds

Re: [MBZ] Dash camera crash video

2016-06-08 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes

These look somewhat promising.

https://www.amazon.com/Z-Edge-Camera-Recorder-Vehicles-Included/dp/B010H0SL9O/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8

Or a couple of these.

https://www.amazon.com/ZeroEdge-G-Sensor-Dashboard-Camera-Bundle/dp/B010GYYSU2/ref=lp_12730755011_1_7?srs=12730755011&ie=UTF8&qid=1465400978&sr=8-7

https://www.amazon.com/Camera-Chuanganzhuo-Reverse-Parking-Distance/dp/B01C56G1P4/ref=sr_1_48?s=car&ie=UTF8&qid=1465400554&sr=1-48&keywords=car+camera

https://www.amazon.com/Drilling-Reverse-Mirrored-Parking-Assistance/dp/B01AAARUKM/ref=sr_1_15?s=car&ie=UTF8&qid=1465399886&sr=1-15&keywords=car+camera

https://www.amazon.com/Falcon-Zero-F360-HD-Mirror/dp/B00E56WY18/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1465399781&sr=8-3&keywords=car+camera

Quite the variety available.

Rick

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Mexicans

2016-06-08 Thread rogerhga--- via Mercedes

IF you look at the judge and look at the interview Trump did, it's not stupid 
at all. Some may not like it, but that's up to each...some people still think 
Hillary is honest and that is really stupid. Anyway, I don't care about the 
generation, look at the judge's association with the La Raza law firm and it's 
work and connections. Similar to the "protesters" that Soros and his crew hired 
to "protest" Trump's rally. Judges are people FIRST...and if you've noticed, 
federal judges tend to think they are gods and can do anything. Again, everyone 
is allowed to have their own opinion. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Mexicans

Yeah apparently that stuff is coming out, that the judge is somehow
associated with La Raza ("The Race") which itself seems to be razaist.
But that doesn't matter because The Don is a Repub (or so he says) so he
is automatically a razaist for even pointing that out. The Don should
start a group called La Blancos or maybe even La Color Naranjas

--JC

On 6/8/16 12:27 PM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes wrote:

IF you look at the judge and look at the interview Trump did, it's not stupid at all. Some may not
like it, but that's up to each...some people still think Hillary is honest and that is really
stupid. Anyway, I don't care about the generation, look at the judge's association with the La Raza
law firm and it's work and connections. Similar to the "protesters" that Soros and his
crew hired to "protest" Trump's rally. Judges are people FIRST...and if you've noticed,
federal judges tend to think they are gods and can do anything. Again, everyone is allowed to have
their own opinion.
Best Wishes,
Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com

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Re: [MBZ] Dash camera crash video

2016-06-08 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes


On 07/06/2016 12:18 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

OK.. thanks to everyone. Let's try this and see if it works.

Video from Black Box dash camera from 5 days ago when I got hit in the rear
while driving at the speed limit. Car that hit me is certainly a total..
entire front crush area "crushed" .. my car may be repairable, the process
has only started.. but it and I are hurt... I left the scene in an
ambulance, the car on a flatbed.

The camera only gives a "forward view" of the crash.. I had made the
decision to purchase a second camera for the rear.. just had not ordered
it.. best plans of mice and men. I would love to have had a rear view video
of the crash.. I suspect driver was on a cell phone or distracted..

On impact the car was driven 800+ feet, across oncoming traffic into a
block wall.. First 45 seconds of the video cover all that happened.. it
runs 2min 16 sec, before I shut the camera off.

I think the camera just paid for it's self.. Thought I would try to "share
the experience" .. Special thanks to Wilton.. since your crash event
triggered my decision to install the camera. Like you, it could have gone
so much worse, for example, if there had been oncoming traffic.. I missed
the next opposing car by about 12 seconds.. Likely it would have been fatal
for most, in that case.. with head on.


  20150010.MOV





Did I miss something, or is this the first post relating to the accident?
I think I have read the rest and it seems like I missed something prior 
to this one.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] In case Randy wants to go...

2016-06-08 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes


On 07/06/2016 4:32 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
http://www.mbca-hawaii.org/event/2016-kamehameha-day-parade/ Hawaii 
Section will be providing convertibles for the Kam Day parade in 
Honolulu!


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in January.


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Re: [MBZ] 126 in Kansas


" The Great 88"

That part is a bit disturbing

--JC

On 6/8/16 11:28 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:

I saw this ad a while ago and meant to send it to the list.   Its only 
interesting because the seller (author of the ad) must have a good sense of 
humor!

https://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/5556427119.html

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Mexicans

Has there ever been anything good said about Trump University? Is anybody other 
than Trump defending it?I don't pay attention to that much media, just 
checking...
-Curt

  From: Joel Cairo via Mercedes 
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Joel Cairo 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 12:39 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Mexicans
   
Yeah apparently that stuff is coming out, that the judge is somehow 
associated with La Raza ("The Race") which itself seems to be razaist.  
But that doesn't matter because The Don is a Repub (or so he says) so he 
is automatically a razaist for even pointing that out.  The Don should 
start a group called La Blancos or maybe even La Color Naranjas

--JC


On 6/8/16 12:27 PM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes wrote:
> IF you look at the judge and look at the interview Trump did, it's not stupid 
> at all. Some may not like it, but that's up to each...some people still think 
> Hillary is honest and that is really stupid. Anyway, I don't care about the 
> generation, look at the judge's association with the La Raza law firm and 
> it's work and connections. Similar to the "protesters" that Soros and his 
> crew hired to "protest" Trump's rally. Judges are people FIRST...and if 
> you've noticed, federal judges tend to think they are gods and can do 
> anything. Again, everyone is allowed to have their own opinion.
> Best Wishes,
> Roger
> Roger Hale
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
> Monroe, Ga.
> 770-267-0850
> www.dinnerwareclassics.com
>
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Re: [MBZ] 126 in Kansas

Why? Its an '88...
-Curt

  From: Joel Cairo via Mercedes 
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Joel Cairo 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 12:45 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 126 in Kansas
   
" The Great 88"

That part is a bit disturbing

--JC

On 6/8/16 11:28 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:
> I saw this ad a while ago and meant to send it to the list.  Its only 
> interesting because the seller (author of the ad) must have a good sense of 
> humor!
>
> https://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/5556427119.html
>
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Re: [MBZ] Dash camera crash video

2016-06-08 Thread Craig via Mercedes

On Wed, 8 Jun 2016 11:58:46 -0400 Joel Cairo via Mercedes
 wrote:

> 360deg camera is what you need, there are a bunch on the market. 
> Banggood have some reasonable price
> 
> http://www.banggood.com/search/360-degree-camera.html

What they are selling is a "fish-eye" camera. It gives visibility of half
a sphere (2 pi steradians). It would be mounted in the ceiling in the
center of a room to show what's going on in the entire room. Note,
however, that details at the edges of the field of view are rather
distorted.

In order to use one of these to show everything around a car, you would
have to mount it on a pole pointed down.


Craig

> 
> On 6/8/16 11:53 AM, Ed Booher via Mercedes wrote:
> > What we need is 360 degree visibility (so four cameras,
> > realistically) a video muxing unit small enough to mount in the trunk
> > with the SSD (Hard drive / spinning platters may fail in a hard
> > enough crash) plus Cellular radio with Google Drive for backup
> > streaming to the cloud. That way if the little punk realizes you have
> > cameras and somehow manages to pull the SSD and run, you've still got
> > it on an upload.
> >
> > Bam!
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 11:20 AM, G Mann via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> Rust?... What is rust? ... If you look at the sky condition in the
> >> video.. that's what it looks like here for 360 days out of the
> >> year... ;))  .08 inches of rain last month.. it was a "wet month"...
> >> haha..
> >>
> >> Trailer hitch ball sticking out the back of a vehicle is almost
> >> required here.. If you bark your shin on one.. you will remember
> >> next time to give some space to other vehicles.. On closer
> >> inspection of the wreck damage, looks like the hitch mount and
> >> sturdy receiver hitch with ball took the hit, returned major damage
> >> to the attacking car and helped reduce the sheet metal damage.
> >>
> >> If you look on the site that sells the Black Box cameras, there is a
> >> "people who bought this also bought" list below it.. One of those
> >> items is a 12V to 5V hard wire power supply, and beside that is a
> >> listing for wiring connectors to tap into your fuse box for a "key
> >> on" power. The power supply has a generous 15 ft power cord. Cost is
> >> less than $10. I bought one.. have not yet installed it.. for now, a
> >> duplex power plug for the lighter port has been working.
> >>
> >> After this event.. a dedicated rear facing camera is on my list.. as
> >> is an on board digital hard drive, in a locked compartment.
> >>
> >> Off to talk to lawyers and doctors... and body shops.. and the
> >> police.. busy work..
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 7:22 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I was surprised when the first one mentioned it, most trucks have
> >>> one sticking out. My biggest reason for removal is not Johnny Law
> >>> but: A. Keep it from rusting into placeand2. Keep from busting my
> >>> shin on it Actually #II is probably the most important reason...
> >>> -Curt
> >>>
> >>>From: Joel Cairo via Mercedes 
> >>>   To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> >>> Cc: Joel Cairo 
> >>>   Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 10:16 AM
> >>>   Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dash camera crash video
> >>>
> >>> Might be the case in nanny states but around here a hitch is a
> >>> normal part of the attire for a truck.  And Truck Nutz too!
> >>>
> >>> --JC
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 6/8/16 10:10 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>  Careful where you go with that hitch sticking out, AFAIK in most
>  places
> >>> its illegal to have a shin buster installed unless you've got a
> >>> trailer
> >> on
> >>> it.
>  I've never been seriously hassled but I've had a couple different
>  cops
> >>> point this out.
>  Also I've had a couple trucks where the hitch got rusted to the
> >>> receiver, keeping the receiver in the pickup seems to solve that
> >>> problem
> >> as
> >>> does grease...
>  -Curt
> 
>  From: Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>    To: "mercedes@okiebenz com" 
>  Cc: Karl Wittnebel 
>    Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 9:58 AM
>    Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dash camera crash video
> 
>  Hope you are ok G Mann.
> 
>  I put one camera in my car and one I my wife's right after Wilton
> >>> accident.
>  She has already been rear ended once (second time since that car
>  was
> >> new
> >>> in
>  Jan 2015). Unfortunately, she had unplugged the camera to keep her
> >> phone
>  charged, which is actually more important due to her job, so I
>  don't
> >>> blame
>  her. But I will have to find a way to hard wire the camera.
> 
>  Fortunately I insist that she keep a double ball drawbar in the
>  hitch receiver at all times, which seems to fold the offending
>  vehicle nicely
> >>> up
>  the middle while slowing it down enough to not contact the Touareg
> >> much.
>  One time it was a 4runner and one time a kia, both at about 25 MPH
> >> w

Re: [MBZ] 126 in Kansas


I believe there might be a double entendre in there

--R


On 6/8/16 12:48 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Why? Its an '88...
-Curt

   From: Joel Cairo via Mercedes 
  To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Joel Cairo 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 12:45 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] 126 in Kansas

" The Great 88"


That part is a bit disturbing

--JC

On 6/8/16 11:28 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:

I saw this ad a while ago and meant to send it to the list.  Its only 
interesting because the seller (author of the ad) must have a good sense of 
humor!

https://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/5556427119.html

Don Snook
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Re: [MBZ] Dash camera crash video

2016-06-08 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes

We use these in our server and MDF (main data frame) rooms for PCI compliance 
and security. They do the job, but if something is going on at the edge of the 
frame it can be tough to make out the details.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 8, 2016, at 12:53 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> What they are selling is a "fish-eye" camera. It gives visibility of half
> a sphere (2 pi steradians). It would be mounted in the ceiling in the
> center of a room to show what's going on in the entire room. Note,
> however, that details at the edges of the field of view are rather
> distorted.
> 
> In order to use one of these to show everything around a car, you would
> have to mount it on a pole pointed down.
> 
> 
> Craig
> 
>> 
>>> On 6/8/16 11:53 AM, Ed Booher via Mercedes wrote:
>>> What we need is 360 degree visibility (so four cameras,
>>> realistically) a video muxing unit small enough to mount in the trunk
>>> with the SSD (Hard drive / spinning platters may fail in a hard
>>> enough crash) plus Cellular radio with Google Drive for backup
>>> streaming to the cloud. That way if the little punk realizes you have
>>> cameras and somehow manages to pull the SSD and run, you've still got
>>> it on an upload.
>>> 
>>> Bam!
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 11:20 AM, G Mann via Mercedes
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 Rust?... What is rust? ... If you look at the sky condition in the
 video.. that's what it looks like here for 360 days out of the
 year... ;))  .08 inches of rain last month.. it was a "wet month"...
 haha..

 Trailer hitch ball sticking out the back of a vehicle is almost
 required here.. If you bark your shin on one.. you will remember
 next time to give some space to other vehicles.. On closer
 inspection of the wreck damage, looks like the hitch mount and
 sturdy receiver hitch with ball took the hit, returned major damage
 to the attacking car and helped reduce the sheet metal damage.

 If you look on the site that sells the Black Box cameras, there is a
 "people who bought this also bought" list below it.. One of those
 items is a 12V to 5V hard wire power supply, and beside that is a
 listing for wiring connectors to tap into your fuse box for a "key
 on" power. The power supply has a generous 15 ft power cord. Cost

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Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel in Kansas

2016-06-08 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes

Not a bad price if everything is in working order.

These are getting harder and harder to find in good condition.

Dan

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> On Jun 8, 2016, at 11:25 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Here is a 123 diesel that looks from the pictures like rust has not gotten to 
> it.
> 
> I haven't kept up with the values of these cars in the last few years.  I 
> thought the price seemed a little high.  But, if it really has no rust, I do 
> know these are getting harder and harder to find.
> 
> Not mine by the way.  Just saw the ad.
> 
> https://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/5621056410.html
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Mexicans

LSM [Lame Stream Media] has made this a "race issue" because it serves
their masters.. It ain't true.

Here is the issue that Trump actually raised.
1. The Judge is a member of a group of lawyers in California that advocate
for and represent, La Raza, [translation "The Race"] which is a politically
militant Latino group that has declared Mr. Trump their sworn enemy because
of his vocal stand against ILLEGAL entry into the USA.

2. By the Federal Rules of Court, and ALL 50 State Rules of Court, AND the
National Bar Association and ALL 50 State Bar Associations Rules of Ethics,
a Judge or a Lawyer who has ANY association with anyone that could be
construed as a Conflict of Interest, MUST Recuse themselves. and as a
Judge, is barred from hearing that case.

3. This Judge [also a Lawyer] has breached those Rules of Court, and the
Bar Association Rules of Ethics by setting on the bench in this case.

4. Mr. Trump, called him out on that breach of the rules.. and by the
Judges OWN rules .. he could be dis-barred from practicing law... AND
removed as a Judge.. or have sanctions against him...

Nothing racial about that.. except in the case of the Judge's
affiliations..

So, again.. Trump is right.. and it's "Always Good to be Right".;))

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> Speaking of Mexicans, I note that The Don is being called a "racist" for
> his comments about a judge of Mexican heritage and some lawsuit or other.
> I did not realize there was a Mexican race, other than the Baja races.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Dash camera crash video

Here is what I would suggest.

From Adafruit

1 Raspi $40

4 USB cams ~$50

1 - SSD ~$100

1 GPS unithttps://www.adafruit.com/products/2324 $45

1 touchscreen display $35 (or a bigger one for more $$)

1 mini keyboard $10

wifi module if you want to talk to your phone $12

other random bits

So maybe $250 worth of stuff and some programming and fooling around and
yer in bidness

Here is a tutorial on setting them 4 cams for motion detection, I did
not look at it close enough to see how to record it, but that is
probably doable, as is to overlay the GPS data, time, etc. over the vid
streams.
http://www.pyimagesearch.com/2016/01/18/multiple-cameras-with-the-raspberry-pi-and-opencv/

here is a 2 cam setup with GPS overlay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTZRGEJeFsU pretty much what you want to
do but with 4 cams

--JC

On 6/8/16 1:05 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

We use these in our server and MDF (main data frame) rooms for PCI compliance
and security. They do the job, but if something is going on at the edge of the
frame it can be tough to make out the details.

Dan

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On Jun 8, 2016, at 12:53 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

What they are selling is a "fish-eye" camera. It gives visibility of half
a sphere (2 pi steradians). It would be mounted in the ceiling in the
center of a room to show what's going on in the entire room. Note,
however, that details at the edges of the field of view are rather
distorted.

In order to use one of these to show everything around a car, you would
have to mount it on a pole pointed down.

Craig

On 6/8/16 11:53 AM, Ed Booher via Mercedes wrote:
What we need is 360 degree visibility (so four cameras,
realistically) a video muxing unit small enough to mount in the trunk
with the SSD (Hard drive / spinning platters may fail in a hard
enough crash) plus Cellular radio with Google Drive for backup
streaming to the cloud. That way if the little punk realizes you have
cameras and somehow manages to pull the SSD and run, you've still got
it on an upload.

Bam!

On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 11:20 AM, G Mann via Mercedes
wrote:

Rust?... What is rust? ... If you look at the sky condition in the
video.. that's what it looks like here for 360 days out of the
year... ;)) .08 inches of rain last month.. it was a "wet month"...
haha..

Trailer hitch ball sticking out the back of a vehicle is almost
required here.. If you bark your shin on one.. you will remember
next time to give some space to other vehicles.. On closer
inspection of the wreck damage, looks like the hitch mount and
sturdy receiver hitch with ball took the hit, returned major damage
to the attacking car and helped reduce the sheet metal damage.

If you look on the site that sells the Black Box cameras, there is a
"people who bought this also bought" list below it.. One of those
items is a 12V to 5V hard wire power supply, and beside that is a
listing for wiring connectors to tap into your fuse box for a "key
on" power. The power supply has a generous 15 ft power cord. Cost

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Mexicans

This whole "race" thing in regards to Mexicans or others from SOTB is 
kinda interesting.  For example, a friend of mine is married to a woman 
whose family are Mexican-(US)American but are Irish/mestizo, she has an 
Irish surname, some ancestors having settled in Mexico at some point and 
spoke Spanish.  So she is mostly a white European (Irish) but of the  
"Mexican" (country of origin) "race."  Now she is an ultra-lib, so is 
easily offended by things like this, but as far as "race" she is pretty 
much as white as I am (though I have more Cherokee than Lieawatha 
Warren) and I am your prototype white boy.  Now a lot of people SOTB are 
almost pure pre-European-invader indigenos, they look like Mayans and 
Aztecs and whatnot, or at least not like the European invaders, so I 
guess they would be a definite "race".  But a lot of people SOTB are 
mixed mestizo so unclear what "race" they are, they are just sorta 
browner in varying shades but not all of them, so they might be "of color."


It all confuses me.

--JC

On 6/8/16 1:24 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

LSM [Lame Stream Media] has made this a "race issue" because it serves
their masters.. It ain't true.

Here is the issue that Trump actually raised.
1. The Judge is a member of a group of lawyers in California that advocate
for and represent, La Raza, [translation "The Race"] which is a politically
militant Latino group that has declared Mr. Trump their sworn enemy because
of his vocal stand against ILLEGAL entry into the USA.

2. By the Federal Rules of Court, and ALL 50 State Rules of Court, AND the
National Bar Association and ALL 50 State Bar Associations Rules of Ethics,
a Judge or a Lawyer who has ANY association with anyone that could be
construed as a Conflict of Interest, MUST Recuse themselves. and as a
Judge, is barred from hearing that case.

3. This Judge [also a Lawyer] has breached those Rules of Court, and the
Bar Association Rules of Ethics by setting on the bench in this case.

4. Mr. Trump, called him out on that breach of the rules.. and by the
Judges OWN rules .. he could be dis-barred from practicing law... AND
removed as a Judge.. or have sanctions against him...

Nothing racial about that.. except in the case of the Judge's
affiliations..

So, again.. Trump is right.. and it's "Always Good to be Right".;))


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Speaking of Mexicans, I note that The Don is being called a "racist" for
his comments about a judge of Mexican heritage and some lawsuit or other.
I did not realize there was a Mexican race, other than the Baja races.

--JC

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Re: [MBZ] This seems like a good 140 deal


Poos needs that

--JC


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Re: [MBZ] This seems like a good 140 deal

I think I do. Would need seat covers though

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> 
> Poos needs that
> 
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>> On 6/8/16 1:41 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
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Re: [MBZ] This seems like a good 140 deal

2016-06-08 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes

From:  Kaleb C. Striplin

>1998 Mercedes Benz s420
>http://texarkana.craigslist.org/cto/5604650403.html

Needs seats in the front at the minimum.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Mexicans

Interesting line of thought..

The word "Mexican" is a word devised by the Castilian Spanish "pure breds"
that conquered the Native Lands now called "Mexico".

These pure bred Spaniards came with their weapons, soldiers, and a Royal
Edict from the King of Spain, to grab all the gold and silver for Spain,
but they came with no women.. So..

They took local indian women to fill their needs.. which produced 1/2 breed
children... which the Pure Spanish looked down upon.. they were "bastard
1/2 breeds" and they invented the derisive term "Mexican" which in it's day
held the same connotation as the now much reviled "N" word in USA..

It did then,,  and it does now, to the ruling class of "pure Spanish" in
Mexico define a "lower class of person" not worthy of land ownership, or
wealth..

Just a bit of history to chew on.. since, calling someone "Mexican" is
actually "racist" by original intent..


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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> This whole "race" thing in regards to Mexicans or others from SOTB is
> kinda interesting.  For example, a friend of mine is married to a woman
> whose family are Mexican-(US)American but are Irish/mestizo, she has an
> Irish surname, some ancestors having settled in Mexico at some point and
> spoke Spanish.  So she is mostly a white European (Irish) but of the
> "Mexican" (country of origin) "race."  Now she is an ultra-lib, so is
> easily offended by things like this, but as far as "race" she is pretty
> much as white as I am (though I have more Cherokee than Lieawatha Warren)
> and I am your prototype white boy.  Now a lot of people SOTB are almost
> pure pre-European-invader indigenos, they look like Mayans and Aztecs and
> whatnot, or at least not like the European invaders, so I guess they would
> be a definite "race".  But a lot of people SOTB are mixed mestizo so
> unclear what "race" they are, they are just sorta browner in varying shades
> but not all of them, so they might be "of color."
>
> It all confuses me.
>
> --JC
>
> On 6/8/16 1:24 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> LSM [Lame Stream Media] has made this a "race issue" because it serves
>> their masters.. It ain't true.
>>
>> Here is the issue that Trump actually raised.
>> 1. The Judge is a member of a group of lawyers in California that advocate
>> for and represent, La Raza, [translation "The Race"] which is a
>> politically
>> militant Latino group that has declared Mr. Trump their sworn enemy
>> because
>> of his vocal stand against ILLEGAL entry into the USA.
>>
>> 2. By the Federal Rules of Court, and ALL 50 State Rules of Court, AND the
>> National Bar Association and ALL 50 State Bar Associations Rules of
>> Ethics,
>> a Judge or a Lawyer who has ANY association with anyone that could be
>> construed as a Conflict of Interest, MUST Recuse themselves. and as a
>> Judge, is barred from hearing that case.
>>
>> 3. This Judge [also a Lawyer] has breached those Rules of Court, and the
>> Bar Association Rules of Ethics by setting on the bench in this case.
>>
>> 4. Mr. Trump, called him out on that breach of the rules.. and by the
>> Judges OWN rules .. he could be dis-barred from practicing law... AND
>> removed as a Judge.. or have sanctions against him...
>>
>> Nothing racial about that.. except in the case of the Judge's
>> affiliations..
>>
>> So, again.. Trump is right.. and it's "Always Good to be Right".;))
>>
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>> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 6:51 AM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> Speaking of Mexicans, I note that The Don is being called a "racist" for
>>> his comments about a judge of Mexican heritage and some lawsuit or other.
>>> I did not realize there was a Mexican race, other than the Baja races.
>>>
>>> --JC
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Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel in Kansas

Cheap price, but the seller is an idiot.  He has a 300D (sedan), not a
300TD (wagon).

On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> Not a bad price if everything is in working order.
>
> These are getting harder and harder to find in good condition.
>
> Dan
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> Sent from my iPad
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> > On Jun 8, 2016, at 11:25 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Here is a 123 diesel that looks from the pictures like rust has not
> gotten to it.
> >
> > I haven't kept up with the values of these cars in the last few years.
> I thought the price seemed a little high.  But, if it really has no rust, I
> do know these are getting harder and harder to find.
> >
> > Not mine by the way.  Just saw the ad.
> >
> > https://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/5621056410.html
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 126 in Kansas

Very witty...

On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes <
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> I believe there might be a double entendre in there
>
> --R
>
>
>
> On 6/8/16 12:48 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Why? Its an '88...
>> -Curt
>>
>>From: Joel Cairo via Mercedes 
>>   To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Cc: Joel Cairo 
>>   Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 12:45 PM
>>   Subject: Re: [MBZ] 126 in Kansas
>> " The Great 88"
>>
>> That part is a bit disturbing
>>
>> --JC
>>
>> On 6/8/16 11:28 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>>> I saw this ad a while ago and meant to send it to the list.  Its only
>>> interesting because the seller (author of the ad) must have a good sense of
>>> humor!
>>>
>>> https://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/5556427119.html
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Mexicans

Well, I guess the only judge who could even remotely be "fair" to Trump is
a wasp billionaire.

On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 2:04 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Interesting line of thought..
>
> The word "Mexican" is a word devised by the Castilian Spanish "pure breds"
> that conquered the Native Lands now called "Mexico".
>
> These pure bred Spaniards came with their weapons, soldiers, and a Royal
> Edict from the King of Spain, to grab all the gold and silver for Spain,
> but they came with no women.. So..
>
> They took local indian women to fill their needs.. which produced 1/2 breed
> children... which the Pure Spanish looked down upon.. they were "bastard
> 1/2 breeds" and they invented the derisive term "Mexican" which in it's day
> held the same connotation as the now much reviled "N" word in USA..
>
> It did then,,  and it does now, to the ruling class of "pure Spanish" in
> Mexico define a "lower class of person" not worthy of land ownership, or
> wealth..
>
> Just a bit of history to chew on.. since, calling someone "Mexican" is
> actually "racist" by original intent..
>
> <
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> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > This whole "race" thing in regards to Mexicans or others from SOTB is
> > kinda interesting.  For example, a friend of mine is married to a woman
> > whose family are Mexican-(US)American but are Irish/mestizo, she has an
> > Irish surname, some ancestors having settled in Mexico at some point and
> > spoke Spanish.  So she is mostly a white European (Irish) but of the
> > "Mexican" (country of origin) "race."  Now she is an ultra-lib, so is
> > easily offended by things like this, but as far as "race" she is pretty
> > much as white as I am (though I have more Cherokee than Lieawatha Warren)
> > and I am your prototype white boy.  Now a lot of people SOTB are almost
> > pure pre-European-invader indigenos, they look like Mayans and Aztecs and
> > whatnot, or at least not like the European invaders, so I guess they
> would
> > be a definite "race".  But a lot of people SOTB are mixed mestizo so
> > unclear what "race" they are, they are just sorta browner in varying
> shades
> > but not all of them, so they might be "of color."
> >
> > It all confuses me.
> >
> > --JC
> >
> > On 6/8/16 1:24 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
> >
> >> LSM [Lame Stream Media] has made this a "race issue" because it serves
> >> their masters.. It ain't true.
> >>
> >> Here is the issue that Trump actually raised.
> >> 1. The Judge is a member of a group of lawyers in California that
> advocate
> >> for and represent, La Raza, [translation "The Race"] which is a
> >> politically
> >> militant Latino group that has declared Mr. Trump their sworn enemy
> >> because
> >> of his vocal stand against ILLEGAL entry into the USA.
> >>
> >> 2. By the Federal Rules of Court, and ALL 50 State Rules of Court, AND
> the
> >> National Bar Association and ALL 50 State Bar Associations Rules of
> >> Ethics,
> >> a Judge or a Lawyer who has ANY association with anyone that could be
> >> construed as a Conflict of Interest, MUST Recuse themselves. and as a
> >> Judge, is barred from hearing that case.
> >>
> >> 3. This Judge [also a Lawyer] has breached those Rules of Court, and the
> >> Bar Association Rules of Ethics by setting on the bench in this case.
> >>
> >> 4. Mr. Trump, called him out on that breach of the rules.. and by the
> >> Judges OWN rules .. he could be dis-barred from practicing law... AND
> >> removed as a Judge.. or have sanctions against him...
> >>
> >> Nothing racial about that.. except in the case of the Judge's
> >> affiliations..
> >>
> >> So, again.. Trump is right.. and it's "Always Good to be Right".;))
> >>
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> >>
> >> Speaking of Mexicans, I note that The Don is being called a "racist" for
> >>> his comments about a judge of Mexican heritage and some lawsuit or
> other.
> >>> I did not realize there was a Mexican race, other than the Baja races.
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Re: [MBZ] This seems like a good 140 deal

Silver/gray color combo is one of the DUMBEST ever.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Mexicans

Well, it is important in the courts that we have juries and jurists who
"look like us" from what I can tell of the current agitators, so I think
you are onto something.

Here in Charleston there are a coupla cases of white men allegedly
shooting black people, and the local people of color are demanding that
the juries are "representative" which is code for "has a lot of blacks
on it." I have no issue with juries reflecting the prevailing
demographics per the lawyers acceptance/rejection of various candidates,
as it is done, but to clamor for a stacked jury sends the message that
black jury members can somehow be better judges of guilt or innocence of
(white) persons accused of crimes against blacks, or blacks accused of
crimes. They have some convoluted arguments in favor of that approach,
that are fairly incomprehensible. I think a black judge was assigned to
the shooter of 9, for whatever that is worth.

From what I have observed and have experienced, black folks have some
fairly unreconstructed views on white folks around here, and I will not
entirely dispute their reasons, as some whites have of blacks. The
problem is that it gets injected into everything with no clear means of
resolving the issues, or sometimes even what the issue is. (Of
particular note, some of the local black agitation groups are upset at
the school board for some reasons I have not followed [though it could
be any number of things, the school board is completely incompetent and
dysfunctional], and yesterday they called for a boycott of car dealers
by black folks. Car dealers? WTF? No one can quite figure it out, and
so far they have not enlightened us on their reasoning.)

--JC

On 6/8/16 2:27 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Well, I guess the only judge who could even remotely be "fair" to Trump is
a wasp billionaire.

On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 2:04 PM, G Mann via Mercedes
wrote:

Interesting line of thought..

The word "Mexican" is a word devised by the Castilian Spanish "pure breds"
that conquered the Native Lands now called "Mexico".

These pure bred Spaniards came with their weapons, soldiers, and a Royal
Edict from the King of Spain, to grab all the gold and silver for Spain,
but they came with no women.. So..

They took local indian women to fill their needs.. which produced 1/2 breed
children... which the Pure Spanish looked down upon.. they were "bastard
1/2 breeds" and they invented the derisive term "Mexican" which in it's day
held the same connotation as the now much reviled "N" word in USA..

It did then,, and it does now, to the ruling class of "pure Spanish" in
Mexico define a "lower class of person" not worthy of land ownership, or
wealth..

Just a bit of history to chew on.. since, calling someone "Mexican" is
actually "racist" by original intent..

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On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

This whole "race" thing in regards to Mexicans or others from SOTB is
kinda interesting. For example, a friend of mine is married to a woman
whose family are Mexican-(US)American but are Irish/mestizo, she has an
Irish surname, some ancestors having settled in Mexico at some point and
spoke Spanish. So she is mostly a white European (Irish) but of the
"Mexican" (country of origin) "race." Now she is an ultra-lib, so is
easily offended by things like this, but as far as "race" she is pretty
much as white as I am (though I have more Cherokee than Lieawatha Warren)
and I am your prototype white boy. Now a lot of people SOTB are almost
pure pre-European-invader indigenos, they look like Mayans and Aztecs and
whatnot, or at least not like the European invaders, so I guess they

would

be a definite "race". But a lot of people SOTB are mixed mestizo so
unclear what "race" they are, they are just sorta browner in varying

shades

but not all of them, so they might be "of color."

It all confuses me.

--JC

On 6/8/16 1:24 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

LSM [Lame Stream Media] has made this a "race issue" because it serves
their masters.. It ain't true.

Here is the issue that Trump actually raised.
1. The Judge is a member of a group of lawyers in California that

advocate

for and represent, La Raza, [translation "The Race"] which is a
politically
militant Latino group that has declared Mr. Trump their sworn enemy
because
of his vocal stand against ILLEGAL entry into the USA.

2. By the Federal Rules of Court, and ALL 50 State Rules of Court, AND

the

National Bar Association and ALL 50 State Bar Associations Rules of
Ethics,
a Judge or a Lawyer who has ANY association with anyone that could be
construed as a Conflict

Re: [MBZ] OT: Mexicans

2016-06-08 Thread Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes

Apparently the judge in question is a member of a couple of radical racist
organizations himself, including California La Raza Lawyers Association and
another that has expressed antipathy to Rs.

Analysis I have read indicates that none of the decisions made by Curiel in
the Trump case are outside of the range of those a reasonable judge would
make.

Yet, how would a latino react to a judge who was a member of an organization
called the "White Race Association"?

Greg

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Cairo via Mercedes
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 6:52 AM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Joel Cairo
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Mexicans

Speaking of Mexicans, I note that The Don is being called a "racist" for 
his comments about a judge of Mexican heritage and some lawsuit or 
other.  I did not realize there was a Mexican race, other than the Baja 
races.

--JC

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Mexicans

Jury selection would be OK if challenges were severely restricted.

On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 2:42 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Well, it is important in the courts that we have juries and jurists who
> "look like us" from what I can tell of the current agitators, so I think
> you are onto something.
>
> Here in Charleston there are a coupla cases of white men allegedly
> shooting black people, and the local people of color are demanding that the
> juries are "representative" which is code for "has a lot of blacks on it."
> I have no issue with juries reflecting the prevailing demographics per the
> lawyers acceptance/rejection of various candidates, as it is done, but to
> clamor for a stacked jury sends the message that black jury members can
> somehow be better judges of guilt or innocence of (white) persons accused
> of crimes against blacks, or blacks accused of crimes.  They have some
> convoluted arguments in favor of that approach, that are fairly
> incomprehensible.  I think a black judge was assigned to the shooter of 9,
> for whatever that is worth.
>
> From what I have observed and have experienced, black folks have some
> fairly unreconstructed views on white folks around here, and I will not
> entirely dispute their reasons, as some whites have of blacks.  The problem
> is that it gets injected into everything with no clear means of resolving
> the issues, or sometimes even what the issue is. (Of particular note, some
> of the local black agitation groups are upset at the school board for some
> reasons I have not followed [though it could be any number of things, the
> school board is completely incompetent and dysfunctional], and yesterday
> they called for a boycott of car dealers by black folks.  Car dealers?
> WTF?  No one can quite figure it out, and so far they have not enlightened
> us on their reasoning.)
>
> --JC
>
>
> On 6/8/16 2:27 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Well, I guess the only judge who could even remotely be "fair" to Trump is
>> a wasp billionaire.
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 2:04 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Interesting line of thought..
>>>
>>> The word "Mexican" is a word devised by the Castilian Spanish "pure
>>> breds"
>>> that conquered the Native Lands now called "Mexico".
>>>
>>> These pure bred Spaniards came with their weapons, soldiers, and a Royal
>>> Edict from the King of Spain, to grab all the gold and silver for Spain,
>>> but they came with no women.. So..
>>>
>>> They took local indian women to fill their needs.. which produced 1/2
>>> breed
>>> children... which the Pure Spanish looked down upon.. they were "bastard
>>> 1/2 breeds" and they invented the derisive term "Mexican" which in it's
>>> day
>>> held the same connotation as the now much reviled "N" word in USA..
>>>
>>> It did then,,  and it does now, to the ruling class of "pure Spanish" in
>>> Mexico define a "lower class of person" not worthy of land ownership, or
>>> wealth..
>>>
>>> Just a bit of history to chew on.. since, calling someone "Mexican" is
>>> actually "racist" by original intent..
>>>
>>> <
>>>
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>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> This whole "race" thing in regards to Mexicans or others from SOTB is
 kinda interesting.  For example, a friend of mine is married to a woman
 whose family are Mexican-(US)American but are Irish/mestizo, she has an
 Irish surname, some ancestors having settled in Mexico at some point and
 spoke Spanish.  So she is mostly a white European (Irish) but of the
 "Mexican" (country of origin) "race."  Now she is an ultra-lib, so is
 easily offended by things like this, but as far as "race" she is pretty
 much as white as I am (though I have more Cherokee than Lieawatha
 Warren)
 and I am your prototype white boy.  Now a lot of people SOTB are almost
 pure pre-European-invader indigenos, they look like Mayans and Aztecs
 and
 whatnot, or at least not like the European invaders, so I guess they

>>> would
>>>
 be a definite "race".  But a lot of people SOTB are mixed mestizo so
 unclear what "race" they are, they are just sorta browner in varying

>>> shades
>>>
 but not all of them, so they might be "of color."

 It all confuses me.

 --JC

 On 6/8/16 1:24 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

 LSM [Lame Stream Media] has made this a "race issue" because it serves
> their masters.. It ain't true.
>
> Here is the issue that Trump actually raised.
> 1.

Re: [MBZ] OT: Mexicans

I happen to have several business associates that are practicing lawyers,
and on occasion enter into legal discussions on hypothetical legal issues..

One particular spirited discussion was centered around Jury Selection.. The
hypothetical question was: Since a person is guaranteed speedy trial by a
"jury of his peers" .. does that not impart, in the case of a someone
charged as a serial killer, that his "peers" would be 12 serial killers...
and that by strict interpretation of the law.. only serial killers could
qualify for such jury duty?

On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Jury selection would be OK if challenges were severely restricted.
>
> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 2:42 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Well, it is important in the courts that we have juries and jurists who
> > "look like us" from what I can tell of the current agitators, so I think
> > you are onto something.
> >
> > Here in Charleston there are a coupla cases of white men allegedly
> > shooting black people, and the local people of color are demanding that
> the
> > juries are "representative" which is code for "has a lot of blacks on
> it."
> > I have no issue with juries reflecting the prevailing demographics per
> the
> > lawyers acceptance/rejection of various candidates, as it is done, but to
> > clamor for a stacked jury sends the message that black jury members can
> > somehow be better judges of guilt or innocence of (white) persons accused
> > of crimes against blacks, or blacks accused of crimes.  They have some
> > convoluted arguments in favor of that approach, that are fairly
> > incomprehensible.  I think a black judge was assigned to the shooter of
> 9,
> > for whatever that is worth.
> >
> > From what I have observed and have experienced, black folks have some
> > fairly unreconstructed views on white folks around here, and I will not
> > entirely dispute their reasons, as some whites have of blacks.  The
> problem
> > is that it gets injected into everything with no clear means of resolving
> > the issues, or sometimes even what the issue is. (Of particular note,
> some
> > of the local black agitation groups are upset at the school board for
> some
> > reasons I have not followed [though it could be any number of things, the
> > school board is completely incompetent and dysfunctional], and yesterday
> > they called for a boycott of car dealers by black folks.  Car dealers?
> > WTF?  No one can quite figure it out, and so far they have not
> enlightened
> > us on their reasoning.)
> >
> > --JC
> >
> >
> > On 6/8/16 2:27 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> >
> >> Well, I guess the only judge who could even remotely be "fair" to Trump
> is
> >> a wasp billionaire.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 2:04 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Interesting line of thought..
> >>>
> >>> The word "Mexican" is a word devised by the Castilian Spanish "pure
> >>> breds"
> >>> that conquered the Native Lands now called "Mexico".
> >>>
> >>> These pure bred Spaniards came with their weapons, soldiers, and a
> Royal
> >>> Edict from the King of Spain, to grab all the gold and silver for
> Spain,
> >>> but they came with no women.. So..
> >>>
> >>> They took local indian women to fill their needs.. which produced 1/2
> >>> breed
> >>> children... which the Pure Spanish looked down upon.. they were
> "bastard
> >>> 1/2 breeds" and they invented the derisive term "Mexican" which in it's
> >>> day
> >>> held the same connotation as the now much reviled "N" word in USA..
> >>>
> >>> It did then,,  and it does now, to the ruling class of "pure Spanish"
> in
> >>> Mexico define a "lower class of person" not worthy of land ownership,
> or
> >>> wealth..
> >>>
> >>> Just a bit of history to chew on.. since, calling someone "Mexican" is
> >>> actually "racist" by original intent..
> >>>
> >>> <
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> This whole "race" thing in regards to Mexicans or others from SOTB is
>  kinda interesting.  For example, a friend of mine is married to a
> woman
>  whose family are Mexican-(US)American but are Irish/mestizo, she has
> an
>  Irish surname, some ancestors having settled in Mexico at some point
> and
>  spoke Spanish.  So she is mostly a white European (Irish) but of the
>  "Mexican" (country of origin) "race."  Now she is an ultra-lib, so is
>  easily offended by things like this, but as far as "race" s

Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel in Kansas

Yea, a lot of people make that mistake.  I guess they think TD for turbo 
diesel.  But, I agree with you.  A 123 wagon is very different than the sedan. 

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Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 1:20 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Dan Penoff 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel in Kansas

Cheap price, but the seller is an idiot.  He has a 300D (sedan), not a 300TD 
(wagon).

On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes < 
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Not a bad price if everything is in working order.
>
> These are getting harder and harder to find in good condition.
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Jun 8, 2016, at 11:25 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Here is a 123 diesel that looks from the pictures like rust has not
> gotten to it.
> >
> > I haven't kept up with the values of these cars in the last few years.
> I thought the price seemed a little high.  But, if it really has no 
> rust, I do know these are getting harder and harder to find.
> >
> > Not mine by the way.  Just saw the ad.
> >
> > https://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/5621056410.html
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel in Kansas

http://www.sheldoncomics.com/archive/150925.html

  From: Donald Snook via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Donald Snook 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 3:08 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel in Kansas
   
Yea, a lot of people make that mistake.  I guess they think TD for turbo 
diesel.  But, I agree with you.  A 123 wagon is very different than the sedan. 

-Original Message-
From: Andrew Strasfogel [mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 1:20 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Dan Penoff 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel in Kansas

Cheap price, but the seller is an idiot.  He has a 300D (sedan), not a 300TD 
(wagon).

On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes < 
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Not a bad price if everything is in working order.
>
> These are getting harder and harder to find in good condition.
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Jun 8, 2016, at 11:25 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Here is a 123 diesel that looks from the pictures like rust has not
> gotten to it.
> >
> > I haven't kept up with the values of these cars in the last few years.
> I thought the price seemed a little high.  But, if it really has no 
> rust, I do know these are getting harder and harder to find.
> >
> > Not mine by the way.  Just saw the ad.
> >
> > https://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/5621056410.html
> >
> > Don Snook
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Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel in Kansas

Speaking of the 300TD, here is one that looks interesting.   

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-Base-Wagon-4-Door-/152121224719?forcerrptr=true&hash=item236b21ae0f:g:hf8AAOSwQupXWFb0&item=152121224719

I wasn't aware of the SLS delete kit.  So, is this supposed to correct the need 
for the accumulators?   

Does the fact that the vacuum to the door locks doesn't work mean that other 
things won't work.  300K is lot of miles, but I can't figure out why this 
doesn't have any bids on it.  I know people bid at the last minute.  But, still 
what is wrong with this car that I am missing? 

I might have to bid on this.  Even if it has problems, I would think it could 
be fixed up a little and flipped for a decent profit.   Maybe I shouldn't be 
sending this email to a group of Mercedes guys who have much more experience 
than I do at fixing up one of these! 

Don Snook 

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Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 1:20 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Dan Penoff 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel in Kansas

Cheap price, but the seller is an idiot.  He has a 300D (sedan), not a 300TD 
(wagon).

On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes < 
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Not a bad price if everything is in working order.
>
> These are getting harder and harder to find in good condition.
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Jun 8, 2016, at 11:25 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Here is a 123 diesel that looks from the pictures like rust has not
> gotten to it.
> >
> > I haven't kept up with the values of these cars in the last few years.
> I thought the price seemed a little high.  But, if it really has no 
> rust, I do know these are getting harder and harder to find.
> >
> > Not mine by the way.  Just saw the ad.
> >
> > https://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/5621056410.html
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel in Kansas


The seller has a Bernie sign in his yard.

--JC

I can't figure out why this doesn't have any bids on it. I know people 
bid at the last minute. But, still what is wrong with this car that I am 
missing?


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Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel in Kansas

Not a lot to love, although 1985 is the best year.  Appears to have been
sadly neglected.  I wonder - if there is only one bidder at 99 cents what
will the seller do?

On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 3:28 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The seller has a Bernie sign in his yard.
>
> --JC
>
> I can't figure out why this doesn't have any bids on it. I know people bid
> at the last minute. But, still what is wrong with this car that I am
> missing?
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Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel in Kansas

Deleting the SLS doesn't "correct" anything, it makes the car a bouncing betty 
instead of a lovely driving MB.
IIRC Andrew went through the trouble of "reconverting" one of his 300TDs to SLS.
I find it strange people want to take out a well engineered excellent, very 
simple system, rather than just fixing the darned thing.
-Curt

  From: Donald Snook via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Donald Snook 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 3:17 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel in Kansas
   
Speaking of the 300TD, here is one that looks interesting.  

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-Base-Wagon-4-Door-/152121224719?forcerrptr=true&hash=item236b21ae0f:g:hf8AAOSwQupXWFb0&item=152121224719

I wasn't aware of the SLS delete kit.  So, is this supposed to correct the need 
for the accumulators?  

Does the fact that the vacuum to the door locks doesn't work mean that other 
things won't work.  300K is lot of miles, but I can't figure out why this 
doesn't have any bids on it.  I know people bid at the last minute.  But, still 
what is wrong with this car that I am missing? 

I might have to bid on this.  Even if it has problems, I would think it could 
be fixed up a little and flipped for a decent profit.  Maybe I shouldn't be 
sending this email to a group of Mercedes guys who have much more experience 
than I do at fixing up one of these! 

Don Snook 

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From: Andrew Strasfogel [mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 1:20 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel in Kansas

Cheap price, but the seller is an idiot.  He has a 300D (sedan), not a 300TD 
(wagon).

On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes < 
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> Not a bad price if everything is in working order.
>
> These are getting harder and harder to find in good condition.
>
> Dan
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> Sent from my iPad
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> > On Jun 8, 2016, at 11:25 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Here is a 123 diesel that looks from the pictures like rust has not
> gotten to it.
> >
> > I haven't kept up with the values of these cars in the last few years.
> I thought the price seemed a little high.  But, if it really has no 
> rust, I do know these are getting harder and harder to find.
> >
> > Not mine by the way.  Just saw the ad.
> >
> > https://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/5621056410.html
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel in Kansas

I have the old TD I need to part out, it has the SLS but it is NA not 
turbo so the head/pump would not work?


--R


On 6/8/16 3:40 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Deleting the SLS doesn't "correct" anything, it makes the car a bouncing betty 
instead of a lovely driving MB.
IIRC Andrew went through the trouble of "reconverting" one of his 300TDs to SLS.
I find it strange people want to take out a well engineered excellent, very 
simple system, rather than just fixing the darned thing.
-Curt

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Cc: Donald Snook 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 3:17 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel in Kansas

Speaking of the 300TD, here is one that looks interesting.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-Base-Wagon-4-Door-/152121224719?forcerrptr=true&hash=item236b21ae0f:g:hf8AAOSwQupXWFb0&item=152121224719

I wasn't aware of the SLS delete kit.  So, is this supposed to correct the need 
for the accumulators?

Does the fact that the vacuum to the door locks doesn't work mean that other 
things won't work.  300K is lot of miles, but I can't figure out why this 
doesn't have any bids on it.  I know people bid at the last minute.  But, still 
what is wrong with this car that I am missing?

I might have to bid on this.  Even if it has problems, I would think it could 
be fixed up a little and flipped for a decent profit.  Maybe I shouldn't be 
sending this email to a group of Mercedes guys who have much more experience 
than I do at fixing up one of these!

Don Snook

-Original Message-
From: Andrew Strasfogel [mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 1:20 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Dan Penoff 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel in Kansas

Cheap price, but the seller is an idiot.  He has a 300D (sedan), not a 300TD 
(wagon).

On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes < 
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Not a bad price if everything is in working order.

These are getting harder and harder to find in good condition.

Dan

Sent from my iPad


On Jun 8, 2016, at 11:25 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Here is a 123 diesel that looks from the pictures like rust has not

gotten to it.

I haven't kept up with the values of these cars in the last few years.

I thought the price seemed a little high.  But, if it really has no
rust, I do know these are getting harder and harder to find.

Not mine by the way.  Just saw the ad.

https://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/5621056410.html

Don Snook
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Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel in Kansas

I must be looking through the rose colored glasses today.  I emailed my brother 
and he said no one is bidding because it’s a turd.  But, these wagons go for 
crazy amounts of money even when they are turds.  This one looks like a little 
dirty (inside), needs some TLC, but even with 300K miles and SLS delete, don't 
these sell for $2500-3500? 

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Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 2:40 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel in Kansas

Not a lot to love, although 1985 is the best year.  Appears to have been sadly 
neglected.  I wonder - if there is only one bidder at 99 cents what will the 
seller do?

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> The seller has a Bernie sign in his yard.
>
> --JC
>
> I can't figure out why this doesn't have any bids on it. I know people 
> bid at the last minute. But, still what is wrong with this car that I 
> am missing?
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Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel in Kansas

It won't sell for 99 cents, because I would bid higher than that even if I am 
convinced it’s a turd.   Maybe I am totally wrong about this.  It is not 
unheard of.  I am aware of the conventional wisdom that there is nothing more 
expensive than a cheap Mercedes.  

-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 2:40 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel in Kansas

Not a lot to love, although 1985 is the best year.  Appears to have been sadly 
neglected.  I wonder - if there is only one bidder at 99 cents what will the 
seller do?

On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 3:28 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes < 
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The seller has a Bernie sign in his yard.
>
> --JC
>
> I can't figure out why this doesn't have any bids on it. I know people 
> bid at the last minute. But, still what is wrong with this car that I 
> am missing?
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Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel in Kansas

The body looks fairly straight from the pics though it would be hard to 
tell.  300k miles is no big deal if it runs OK or doesn't burn oil.  
Easy enough to find repair bits if you want to fool with it if you could 
get it cheap and just want a beater to putt around in.  If you got it 
cheap you could probably flip it.  But you would want to fool with it...


--JC


On 6/8/16 4:08 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:

It won't sell for 99 cents, because I would bid higher than that even if I am 
convinced it’s a turd.   Maybe I am totally wrong about this.  It is not 
unheard of.  I am aware of the conventional wisdom that there is nothing more 
expensive than a cheap Mercedes.

-Original Message-
From: Andrew Strasfogel [mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 2:40 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel in Kansas

Not a lot to love, although 1985 is the best year.  Appears to have been sadly 
neglected.  I wonder - if there is only one bidder at 99 cents what will the 
seller do?

On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 3:28 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes < 
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


The seller has a Bernie sign in his yard.

--JC

I can't figure out why this doesn't have any bids on it. I know people
bid at the last minute. But, still what is wrong with this car that I
am missing?

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Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel in Kansas

Curt remembers correctly.  From my personal experience, an SLS-less wagon
does not handle well and is no fun to drive.  So much so, that I went to
great expense to convert it back to SLS.

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> It won't sell for 99 cents, because I would bid higher than that even if I
> am convinced it’s a turd.   Maybe I am totally wrong about this.  It is not
> unheard of.  I am aware of the conventional wisdom that there is nothing
> more expensive than a cheap Mercedes.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Andrew Strasfogel [mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 2:40 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel in Kansas
>
> Not a lot to love, although 1985 is the best year.  Appears to have been
> sadly neglected.  I wonder - if there is only one bidder at 99 cents what
> will the seller do?
>
> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 3:28 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > The seller has a Bernie sign in his yard.
> >
> > --JC
> >
> > I can't figure out why this doesn't have any bids on it. I know people
> > bid at the last minute. But, still what is wrong with this car that I
> > am missing?
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Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel in Kansas

The stuff I read said people tried to put Sedan springs on the rear and it 
didn’t work well.  But, the newer kits have heavier duty springs that doesn’t 
reduce the carrying/towing capacity.  But, that could just be all sales puffery!

Don Snook

From: Andrew Strasfogel [mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 3:24 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Donald Snook 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel in Kansas

Curt remembers correctly.  From my personal experience, an SLS-less wagon does 
not handle well and is no fun to drive.  So much so, that I went to great 
expense to convert it back to SLS.

On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
It won't sell for 99 cents, because I would bid higher than that even if I am 
convinced it’s a turd.   Maybe I am totally wrong about this.  It is not 
unheard of.  I am aware of the conventional wisdom that there is nothing more 
expensive than a cheap Mercedes.

-Original Message-
From: Andrew Strasfogel 
[mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 2:40 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel in Kansas

Not a lot to love, although 1985 is the best year.  Appears to have been sadly 
neglected.  I wonder - if there is only one bidder at 99 cents what will the 
seller do?

On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 3:28 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes < 
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The seller has a Bernie sign in his yard.
>
> --JC
>
> I can't figure out why this doesn't have any bids on it. I know people
> bid at the last minute. But, still what is wrong with this car that I
> am missing?
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Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel in Kansas

Its not the lack of load that makes spring kits suck its the lack of reaction. 
An SLS equipped car is an absolute pleasure to drive, the car reacts to the 
road and keeps itself stable and prefect regardless of load.Springs will always 
be a compromise, too soft a spring and you lose load carrying capacity, too 
hard a spring and the ride is harsh. SLS compensates for all conditions 
automatically...
-Curt

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Cc: Donald Snook 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 4:27 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel in Kansas

The stuff I read said people tried to put Sedan springs on the rear and it 
didn’t work well.  But, the newer kits have heavier duty springs that doesn’t 
reduce the carrying/towing capacity.  But, that could just be all sales puffery!

Don Snook

From: Andrew Strasfogel [mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 3:24 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Donald Snook 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel in Kansas

Curt remembers correctly.  From my personal experience, an SLS-less wagon does 
not handle well and is no fun to drive.  So much so, that I went to great 
expense to convert it back to SLS.

On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
It won't sell for 99 cents, because I would bid higher than that even if I am 
convinced it’s a turd.  Maybe I am totally wrong about this.  It is not unheard 
of.  I am aware of the conventional wisdom that there is nothing more expensive 
than a cheap Mercedes.

-Original Message-
From: Andrew Strasfogel 
[mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 2:40 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel in Kansas

Not a lot to love, although 1985 is the best year.  Appears to have been sadly 
neglected.  I wonder - if there is only one bidder at 99 cents what will the 
seller do?

On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 3:28 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes < 
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The seller has a Bernie sign in his yard.
>
> --JC
>
> I can't figure out why this doesn't have any bids on it. I know people
> bid at the last minute. But, still what is wrong with this car that I
> am missing?
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Re: [MBZ] For Max

Aye!  Standing by...
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On June 8, 2016 2:28:03 PM EDT, WILTON via Mercedes  
wrote:
>Eagle is off.
>
>Wilton
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[MBZ] Dash camera


Re. installation of dash cam in Schwartze (211):  It must be completely
unobtrusive - no cords showing, cam fairly well hidden between RV mirror and
windshield at front edge of overhead panel and simple and easy to operate 
(ON/OFF with key) - or SWMBO will not accept it.  I'm planning to splice 
into keyed power at or near base of lighter and run wire to a 12v accessory 
receptacle above driver foot well.  (Max, that's why I wanted the accessory 
receptacle from the wrecked 124.)  So far, though, I've not been able to 
pull up the "wood" panel around the gear shift lever in order to gain access 
to lighter.  I've seen coupla videos showing how easy it's 'sposed to be to 
remove  this panel, but I can't get it to move.  In the videos, it appears 
to come up easily by grasping its front edge and lifting with fingers of 
both hands simultaneously.


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[MBZ] Leak at rim / tire joint

Can I fix this at home?  Slow air leak from between the tire and the rim.
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Re: [MBZ] Leak at rim / tire joint

If you have a tire machine like I do you can. If not you will need to take it 
to a tire shop.

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[MBZ] Nice overpriced 116



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Re: [MBZ] Leak at rim / tire joint


Some Slime?

-JC


On 6/8/16 7:04 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

If you have a tire machine like I do you can. If not you will need to take it 
to a tire shop.

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Can I fix this at home?  Slow air leak from between the tire and the rim.
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Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel in Kansas

Well, when the car is sold as a 300D, is identified by the Mfgr as a 
300D, the mfgr has another model called a 300TD that is different, and 
the car in question is even identified on the trunk as a 300D, only a 
moron would insist on calling a 300D a 300TD and advertise it as such.


Do people advertise a corvette as a impala?


Donald Snook via Mercedes 
June 8, 2016 at 2:08 PMvia Postbox 

Yea, a lot of people make that mistake. I guess they think TD for 
turbo diesel. But, I agree with you. A 123 wagon is very different 
than the sedan.


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To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Dan Penoff 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 Diesel in Kansas

Cheap price, but the seller is an idiot. He has a 300D (sedan), not a 
300TD (wagon).



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June 8, 2016 at 1:20 PMvia Postbox 


Cheap price, but the seller is an idiot. He has a 300D (sedan), not a
300TD (wagon).

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Not a bad price if everything is in working order.

These are getting harder and harder to find in good condition.

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Donald Snook via Mercedes 
June 8, 2016 at 10:25 AMvia Postbox 

Here is a 123 diesel that looks from the pictures like rust has not 
gotten to it.


I haven't kept up with the values of these cars in the last few years. 
I thought the price seemed a little high. But, if it really has no 
rust, I do know these are getting harder and harder to find.


Not mine by the way. Just saw the ad.

https://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/5621056410.html

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Re: [MBZ] Leak at rim / tire joint

Unusual place to have a spontaneous leak.. Was the tire mounted recently?
If it was.. likely some damage to the tire bead area.. If it wasn't a
possible suspect could be corrosion of the rim at the bead area..

Aluminum rim?  Winter salt area? .. Older tire with stiff dried out rubber?

Inquiring minds would ask those questions..

Worst case .. aged out tire starts to leak at the rim... SWMBO who never
looks at tires, drives with low tire.. tire heats up, self destructs..
driver loses control in heavy traffic.. etc etc etc..

My vote is.. 15 bucks at tire shop.. remove tire, inspect rim bead area..
tire bead area.. DOT date code on tire.. Reassemble with necessary
adjustments to any item not up to service. Sleep good at night..

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> Some Slime?
>
> -JC
>
>
> On 6/8/16 7:04 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> If you have a tire machine like I do you can. If not you will need to
>> take it to a tire shop.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jun 8, 2016, at 5:58 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
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>>> Can I fix this at home?  Slow air leak from between the tire and the rim.
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[MBZ] Water leak fixed

Tonight I finally pulled back the fender liner, found what I think is the water 
point that allowed rain to get inside the passenger compartment, and patched it.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bxk8a928B3RxZW9hTGZqSkJiRGM


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Re: [MBZ] Leak at rim / tire joint

This tire / wheel came from Wilton's wrecked 300D, he says it had a slow leak 
from before the accident.  It was on the rear axle.  Aluminum alloy rim, older 
Michelin tire.  Afraid it may be so old that the tire place won't touch it.  I 
think they draw the line at six years old?

I'll drop it off tomorrow a.m. at a local tire shop to see if they can fix it.  
Hate to use the fix-a-flat stuff, but that may be an option.
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On June 8, 2016 9:53:17 PM EDT, G Mann via Mercedes  
wrote:
>Unusual place to have a spontaneous leak.. Was the tire mounted
>recently?
>If it was.. likely some damage to the tire bead area.. If it wasn't a
>possible suspect could be corrosion of the rim at the bead area..
>
>Aluminum rim?  Winter salt area? .. Older tire with stiff dried out
>rubber?
>
>Inquiring minds would ask those questions..
>
>Worst case .. aged out tire starts to leak at the rim... SWMBO who
>never
>looks at tires, drives with low tire.. tire heats up, self destructs..
>driver loses control in heavy traffic.. etc etc etc..
>
>My vote is.. 15 bucks at tire shop.. remove tire, inspect rim bead
>area..
>tire bead area.. DOT date code on tire.. Reassemble with necessary
>adjustments to any item not up to service. Sleep good at night..
>


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[MBZ] wrecked 124

Max, can ya send me coupla photos of the wrecked engine compartment?  Just 
curious.

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Re: [MBZ] wrecked 124

Sure, I've got a couple showing how far the radiator moved, I'll send off list.
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>Max, can ya send me coupla photos of the wrecked engine compartment? 
>Just curious.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Water leak fixed


Waytago!


Max Dillon via Mercedes 
June 8, 2016 at 9:20 PMvia Postbox 

Tonight I finally pulled back the fender liner, found what I think is 
the water point that allowed rain to get inside the passenger 
compartment, and patched it.


https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bxk8a928B3RxZW9hTGZqSkJiRGM




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Re: [MBZ] Water leak fixed

Just out of curiosity, could you only see the pix in that folder, or did your 
also see the pix of me dressed in the banana suit?
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On June 8, 2016 10:33:02 PM EDT, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Waytago!
>
>> Max Dillon via Mercedes 
>> June 8, 2016 at 9:20 PMvia Postbox 
>>
>
>> Tonight I finally pulled back the fender liner, found what I think is
>
>> the water point that allowed rain to get inside the passenger 
>> compartment, and patched it.
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bxk8a928B3RxZW9hTGZqSkJiRGM
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Leak at rim / tire joint


Didn't know there was a slow leak on rear.  Knew about one on rt front.
Don't remember age of the tries.  Is the receipt in the stack of papers I 
gave ya?  Maybe one for the mounting, too, at Dean's Alignment.


Wilton

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Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 10:28 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Leak at rim / tire joint


This tire / wheel came from Wilton's wrecked 300D, he says it had a slow 
leak from before the accident.  It was on the rear axle.  Aluminum alloy 
rim, older Michelin tire.  Afraid it may be so old that the tire place 
won't touch it.  I think they draw the line at six years old?


I'll drop it off tomorrow a.m. at a local tire shop to see if they can fix 
it.  Hate to use the fix-a-flat stuff, but that may be an option.

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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On June 8, 2016 9:53:17 PM EDT, G Mann via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Unusual place to have a spontaneous leak.. Was the tire mounted
recently?
If it was.. likely some damage to the tire bead area.. If it wasn't a
possible suspect could be corrosion of the rim at the bead area..

Aluminum rim?  Winter salt area? .. Older tire with stiff dried out
rubber?

Inquiring minds would ask those questions..

Worst case .. aged out tire starts to leak at the rim... SWMBO who
never
looks at tires, drives with low tire.. tire heats up, self destructs..
driver loses control in heavy traffic.. etc etc etc..

My vote is.. 15 bucks at tire shop.. remove tire, inspect rim bead
area..
tire bead area.. DOT date code on tire.. Reassemble with necessary
adjustments to any item not up to service. Sleep good at night..




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Re: [MBZ] Leak at rim / tire joint

IF the tire is 6 yrs old.. I would not drive with it.. it's to close to the
age hard limit of 7 years.. and seems to be showing evidence of pending
failure by decomposition.  At "about" 7 years the rubber compounds
decompose and start turning to "dust". Not safe...

If it's just a roller, to keep a chassis mobile, then OK.. use it for
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On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 7:28 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> This tire / wheel came from Wilton's wrecked 300D, he says it had a slow
> leak from before the accident.  It was on the rear axle.  Aluminum alloy
> rim, older Michelin tire.  Afraid it may be so old that the tire place
> won't touch it.  I think they draw the line at six years old?
>
> I'll drop it off tomorrow a.m. at a local tire shop to see if they can fix
> it.  Hate to use the fix-a-flat stuff, but that may be an option.
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
>
> On June 8, 2016 9:53:17 PM EDT, G Mann via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >Unusual place to have a spontaneous leak.. Was the tire mounted
> >recently?
> >If it was.. likely some damage to the tire bead area.. If it wasn't a
> >possible suspect could be corrosion of the rim at the bead area..
> >
> >Aluminum rim?  Winter salt area? .. Older tire with stiff dried out
> >rubber?
> >
> >Inquiring minds would ask those questions..
> >
> >Worst case .. aged out tire starts to leak at the rim... SWMBO who
> >never
> >looks at tires, drives with low tire.. tire heats up, self destructs..
> >driver loses control in heavy traffic.. etc etc etc..
> >
> >My vote is.. 15 bucks at tire shop.. remove tire, inspect rim bead
> >area..
> >tire bead area.. DOT date code on tire.. Reassemble with necessary
> >adjustments to any item not up to service. Sleep good at night..
> >
>
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[MBZ] OT: Burned burners

Well, as predicted the clinton crime machine stole the election from the 
burner   All the burners got burned.   I wonder what all the burned 
burners will do now.  They need to start a new party and run that way.  
(i am assuming the socialists already have a candidate.)  Lt Don is one 
of those burned badly.  Maybe he can convince other burners to get the 
burn to run, Forest, (burner) run!


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Re: [MBZ] Leak at rim / tire joint

2016-06-08 Thread Craig via Mercedes

On Wed, 08 Jun 2016 22:28:31 -0400 Max Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Afraid it may be so old that the tire place won't touch it.  I think
> they draw the line at six years old?

Surely they will remove it from the rim in the process of selling you a
new one ...


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Water leak fixed


Unfortunately, I could only see the 3  called Okie Benz pics.  Show us more!


Max Dillon via Mercedes 
June 8, 2016 at 9:35 PMvia Postbox 

Just out of curiosity, could you only see the pix in that folder, or 
did your also see the pix of me dressed in the banana suit?

Curley McLain 
June 8, 2016 at 9:33 PMvia Postbox 


Waytago!


Max Dillon via Mercedes 
June 8, 2016 at 9:20 PMvia Postbox 

Tonight I finally pulled back the fender liner, found what I think is 
the water point that allowed rain to get inside the passenger 
compartment, and patched it.


https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bxk8a928B3RxZW9hTGZqSkJiRGM




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Re: [MBZ] wrecked 124

Did the engine move?  Does it run OK, or do you know yet?  Did fan chew into 
radiator?
When ya get a chance, can ya back off a little way and get one of engine 
compartment from out front?


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Max Dillon via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Max Dillon" 
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 10:31 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] wrecked 124


Sure, I've got a couple showing how far the radiator moved, I'll send off 
list.

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'95 E300

On June 8, 2016 10:29:15 PM EDT, WILTON via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Max, can ya send me coupla photos of the wrecked engine compartment?
Just curious.

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] wrecked 124

I'm not sure if the engine moved.  This weekend I'm going to try to patch the 
oil cooler lines, fill the crankcase with oil, and see if the engine will start 
and run for a bit.

I think the fan did not touch the radiator, but the radiator is destroyed.

I'll take more pix and send them to you.
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On June 8, 2016 10:48:29 PM EDT, WILTON via Mercedes  
wrote:
>Did the engine move?  Does it run OK, or do you know yet?  Did fan chew
>into 
>radiator?
>When ya get a chance, can ya back off a little way and get one of
>engine 
>compartment from out front?
>
>Wilton
>
>- Original Message - 
>From: "Max Dillon via Mercedes" 
>To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>Cc: "Max Dillon" 
>Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 10:31 PM
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] wrecked 124
>
>
>> Sure, I've got a couple showing how far the radiator moved, I'll send
>off 
>> list.
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>> Charleston SC
>> '87 300TD
>> '95 E300
>>
>> On June 8, 2016 10:29:15 PM EDT, WILTON via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>>>Max, can ya send me coupla photos of the wrecked engine compartment?
>>>Just curious.
>>>
>>>Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] Water leak fixed

Ha!  No banana suit pix for you!
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On June 8, 2016 10:45:48 PM EDT, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Unfortunately, I could only see the 3  called Okie Benz pics.  Show us
>more!
>
>> Max Dillon via Mercedes 
>> June 8, 2016 at 9:35 PMvia Postbox 
>>
>
>> Just out of curiosity, could you only see the pix in that folder, or 
>> did your also see the pix of me dressed in the banana suit?
>> Curley McLain 
>> June 8, 2016 at 9:33 PMvia Postbox 
>>
>
>> Waytago!
>>
>>
>> Max Dillon via Mercedes 
>> June 8, 2016 at 9:20 PMvia Postbox 
>>
>
>> Tonight I finally pulled back the fender liner, found what I think is
>
>> the water point that allowed rain to get inside the passenger 
>> compartment, and patched it.
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bxk8a928B3RxZW9hTGZqSkJiRGM
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] wrecked 124

Thanks.  Don't let my curiosity make ya do anything that may be detrimental 
to the project.

Wilton

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Max Dillon" 
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 10:51 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] wrecked 124

I'm not sure if the engine moved.  This weekend I'm going to try to patch 
the oil cooler lines, fill the crankcase with oil, and see if the engine 
will start and run for a bit.

I think the fan did not touch the radiator, but the radiator is destroyed.

I'll take more pix and send them to you.
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On June 8, 2016 10:48:29 PM EDT, WILTON via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Did the engine move?  Does it run OK, or do you know yet?  Did fan chew
into
radiator?
When ya get a chance, can ya back off a little way and get one of
engine
compartment from out front?

Wilton

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From: "Max Dillon via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Max Dillon" 
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 10:31 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] wrecked 124

Sure, I've got a couple showing how far the radiator moved, I'll send

off

list.
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On June 8, 2016 10:29:15 PM EDT, WILTON via Mercedes
 wrote:

Max, can ya send me coupla photos of the wrecked engine compartment?
Just curious.

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] wrecked 124


I'd bet the engine'll run nicely - 'hope so.

Wilton

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Cc: "Max Dillon" 
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 10:51 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] wrecked 124


I'm not sure if the engine moved.  This weekend I'm going to try to patch 
the oil cooler lines, fill the crankcase with oil, and see if the engine 
will start and run for a bit.


I think the fan did not touch the radiator, but the radiator is destroyed.

I'll take more pix and send them to you.
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On June 8, 2016 10:48:29 PM EDT, WILTON via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Did the engine move?  Does it run OK, or do you know yet?  Did fan chew
into
radiator?
When ya get a chance, can ya back off a little way and get one of
engine
compartment from out front?

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Max Dillon via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Max Dillon" 
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 10:31 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] wrecked 124



Sure, I've got a couple showing how far the radiator moved, I'll send

off

list.
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On June 8, 2016 10:29:15 PM EDT, WILTON via Mercedes
 wrote:

Max, can ya send me coupla photos of the wrecked engine compartment?
Just curious.

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] wrecked 124


BTW, Max, rcvd tool bag like yours from HF today.

Wilt

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From: "Max Dillon via Mercedes" 

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Cc: "Max Dillon" 
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 10:51 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] wrecked 124


I'm not sure if the engine moved.  This weekend I'm going to try to patch 
the oil cooler lines, fill the crankcase with oil, and see if the engine 
will start and run for a bit.


I think the fan did not touch the radiator, but the radiator is destroyed.

I'll take more pix and send them to you.
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On June 8, 2016 10:48:29 PM EDT, WILTON via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Did the engine move?  Does it run OK, or do you know yet?  Did fan chew
into
radiator?
When ya get a chance, can ya back off a little way and get one of
engine
compartment from out front?

Wilton

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Cc: "Max Dillon" 
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 10:31 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] wrecked 124



Sure, I've got a couple showing how far the radiator moved, I'll send

off

list.
--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On June 8, 2016 10:29:15 PM EDT, WILTON via Mercedes
 wrote:

Max, can ya send me coupla photos of the wrecked engine compartment?
Just curious.

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] Leak at rim / tire joint

Thanks Grant.

Wilton, just went through the folder, no record of the tires that I could find. 
 The date code is the important number, I'll get that from the side of the tire 
tomorrow.
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Re: [MBZ] wrecked 124

Not at all, I need the piece of mind that'll come from hearing that engine run. 
 I think you're correct, it will purr like a kitten.
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'87 300TD
'95 E300

On June 8, 2016 10:57:00 PM EDT, WILTON via Mercedes  
wrote:
>Thanks.  Don't let my curiosity make ya do anything that may be
>detrimental 
>to the project.
>
>Wilton
>
>- Original Message - 
>From: "Max Dillon via Mercedes" 
>To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>Cc: "Max Dillon" 
>Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 10:51 PM
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] wrecked 124
>
>
>> I'm not sure if the engine moved.  This weekend I'm going to try to
>patch 
>> the oil cooler lines, fill the crankcase with oil, and see if the
>engine 
>> will start and run for a bit.
>>
>> I think the fan did not touch the radiator, but the radiator is
>destroyed.
>>
>> I'll take more pix and send them to you.
>> -- 
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> '87 300TD
>> '95 E300
>>
>> On June 8, 2016 10:48:29 PM EDT, WILTON via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>>>Did the engine move?  Does it run OK, or do you know yet?  Did fan
>chew
>>>into
>>>radiator?
>>>When ya get a chance, can ya back off a little way and get one of
>>>engine
>>>compartment from out front?
>>>
>>>Wilton
>>>
>>>- Original Message - 
>>>From: "Max Dillon via Mercedes" 
>>>To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>>>Cc: "Max Dillon" 
>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 10:31 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [MBZ] wrecked 124
>>>
>>>
 Sure, I've got a couple showing how far the radiator moved, I'll
>send
>>>off
 list.
 -- 
 Max Dillon
 Charleston SC
 '87 300TD
 '95 E300

 On June 8, 2016 10:29:15 PM EDT, WILTON via Mercedes
  wrote:
>Max, can ya send me coupla photos of the wrecked engine
>compartment?
>Just curious.
>
>Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] wrecked 124