Re: [MBZ] Quote Without Comment

[G Mann via Mercedes]

To "do something about" is a pretty loose context subject to many
interpretations.

Since Mrs. Clinton's stated positions on gun rights is openly completely
against the Bill of Rights, 2nd Amendment, I posit his intent was to urge
those who stand for 2nd Amendment to work against her and her position.

Logic would indicate Mr. Trump would never openly or privately advocate a
"mafia type, do something about" intent.

However, the media is hungry for any morsel of dirt that can be presented,
even if it has to twist the event, as we have seen on numerous recent
broadcasts.

I suggest a betting pool to guess how many poll points he gains after he is
attacked on this, or, if so inclined, he loses.

Being sporting men, of course.


On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 8:20 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Maybe he just short-circuited for a second, it was just a glitch. But
> everything he said was truthful but perhaps a bit inarticulate. Tomorrow he
> can explain what he really said.
>
> --R (sent from my miniPad)
>
> On Aug 9, 2016, at 11:06 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>
> WILMINGTON, N.C., Aug. 9 (UPI)--At a rally in North Carolina Tuesday,
> Trump remarked that perhaps gun rights supporters could do something about
> the prospect of Hillary Clinton being elected in November.
>
> The U.S. Secret Service said it is "aware" of a remark made by GOP
> presidential nominee Donald Trump at a North Carolina campaign stop on
> Tuesday, which appeared to some a thinly-veiled quip about threatening
> Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton with gun violence.
>
> It could potentially take a step unprecedented in American political
> history -- investigate one of the candidates it is assigned to protect.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

>Grant said: " Simple fact... if the >government taxed every worker >at 100% of 
>annual income, it >would only run the government, >at it's present rate of 
>spending, >for about 5 days."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=661pi6K-8WQ=em

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Re: [MBZ] Cheap diesel

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Somebody from Craigslist 

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> On Aug 9, 2016, at 10:35 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 9 Aug 2016 21:05:23 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>  wrote:
> 
>> It was pretty nice and did not need a whole lot of work. I should have
>> spent a weekend on it and sold it for 2k
> 
> So to whom did you sell it?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Ac again

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Clutches do wear out, and can be replaced in the car without venting  
the system.


I don't remember the correct gap, maybe 0.060"?  Not big anyway, can  
be adjusted by removing shims from under the center of the clutch when  
you take it off.  No point in doing that if it's badly worn though.


A bad reed valve may give you the problems you have, but I don't know  
that for sure -- all my systems have been converted to R134a and give  
poor performance at idle, probably need a bit more charge.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Cheap diesel

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 9 Aug 2016 21:05:23 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> It was pretty nice and did not need a whole lot of work. I should have
> spent a weekend on it and sold it for 2k

So to whom did you sell it?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 09 Aug 2016 21:01:40 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Ouch!  The truth hurts!   You will boggle the brain cells of the H-> 
> (highway to hell) supporters on here!
> 
> Funny how they all worship JFK, yet say what JFK knew to be true, is 
> false, and "know" that what JFK did that boosted the economy "won't
> work!"

Even Bill Clinton, when visiting in Japan and confronted with a sluggish
economy there, told them to cut taxes.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Quote Without Comment

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Maybe he just short-circuited for a second, it was just a glitch. But 
everything he said was truthful but perhaps a bit inarticulate. Tomorrow he can 
explain what he really said. 

--R (sent from my miniPad)

On Aug 9, 2016, at 11:06 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes  
wrote:


WILMINGTON, N.C., Aug. 9 (UPI)--At a rally in North Carolina Tuesday, Trump 
remarked that perhaps gun rights supporters could do something about the 
prospect of Hillary Clinton being elected in November.

The U.S. Secret Service said it is "aware" of a remark made by GOP presidential 
nominee Donald Trump at a North Carolina campaign stop on Tuesday, which 
appeared to some a thinly-veiled quip about threatening Democratic nominee 
Hillary Clinton with gun violence.

It could potentially take a step unprecedented in American political history -- 
investigate one of the candidates it is assigned to protect.

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Re: [MBZ] This is what happens when you list a car on Craigslist after a long hard night of hookers and blow.

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

That'll buff right up

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On Aug 9, 2016, at 11:04 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:



1961 Mercedes 180
http://littlerock.craigslist.org/cto/5724303573.html

via cPro for Craigslist
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[MBZ] Quote Without Comment

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

 WILMINGTON, N.C., Aug. 9 (UPI)--At a rally in North Carolina Tuesday, Trump 
remarked that perhaps gun rights supporters could do something about the 
prospect of Hillary Clinton being elected in November.

The U.S. Secret Service said it is "aware" of a remark made by GOP presidential 
nominee Donald Trump at a North Carolina campaign stop on Tuesday, which 
appeared to some a thinly-veiled quip about threatening Democratic nominee 
Hillary Clinton with gun violence.

It could potentially take a step unprecedented in American political history -- 
investigate one of the candidates it is assigned to protect.

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[MBZ] This is what happens when you list a car on Craigslist after a long hard night of hookers and blow.

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

1961 Mercedes 180
http://littlerock.craigslist.org/cto/5724303573.html

via cPro for Craigslist
iOS: http://tinyurl.com/cPro-iDevice
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[MBZ] WISP update

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

One of the joys of having a WISP is when a storm blows thru lightening can hit 
the tower and take out the radio. The tower I am on has 8 radios. Normally a 
storm may take out 1-2. We had a storm come thru early Saturday morning and the 
tower took a direct lightening hit taking out all 8. They had spare equipment 
for 2 radios only so we have been our since then. They got the remaining back 
up today and now my speeds are even faster. Keep in mind I am on the 12mbps 
plan. 



Test Date: Aug 9, 2016 9:47 PM
Download: 42.94 Mbps
Upload: 4.39 Mbps
Ping: 19 ms
Connection Type: Wi-Fi
Server: Bixby, OK


Ookla operates Ookla Speedtest using a massive global infrastructure to 
minimize the impact of Internet congestion and latency. With millions of tests 
performed every day across thousands of servers, Ookla Speedtest is the de 
facto standard for primary network testing.

Ookla Speedtest uses the same core technology found in the Ookla suite of 
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Re: [MBZ] Cheap diesel for sale

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Neither engine nor pump should need to be "rebuilt" in under 400K  
Trans Maybe @250 to 350k.  (assuming oil  changes as prescribed and 
OE quality filters used (mann only for the 124 trans).


I'd not buy a car with a "rebuilt" OM603, unless I discounted the cost 
of the replacement engine and installation.   Factory crate engine, as 
Curt said, is a plus.  The kleb car I had had a "rebuilt" IP (not from a 
dealer) and never did trust that IP.  A Bosch dealer can't get all parts 
nor specs for calibration for a MB pump.  According to Bosch, they are 
"MB only."  You have to get the rebuilt exchange, or new pump from the 
dealer.  In truth, a really good IP shop can replace elements, and if 
they have had access to a known good pump, can determine the 
calibration, within reason.  I think they can't get parts for the 
governor, and may not be able to test the governor.  At least that USED 
to be the case...


The first OM603 I had with 300k, I did a compression test, and all 
cylinders were 425psi.  That is the high side of the factory spec for a 
new, broken in engine, or an engine in perfect shape. At 300k, you might 
want to check chain stretch...




Max Dillon via Mercedes 
August 9, 2016 at 7:09 PM
Indeed, usually a rebuilt engine will not last as long as an original 
engine, unless it was rebuilt by Mercedes-Benz. They are very 
difficult engines to rebuild correctly. I would take Kaleb's over your 
example every time.


A rebuilt transmission is a bonus, and if the injection pump is 
rebuilt that is also a bonus.




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Re: [MBZ] Cheap diesel

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

It was pretty nice and did not need a whole lot of work. I should have spent a 
weekend on it and sold it for 2k

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> wrote:
> 
> I'm surprised it took so long!  Congrats on the sale!
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
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> '95 E300
> 
>> On August 9, 2016 9:20:57 PM EDT, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>>  wrote:
>> Is sold
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

It's called the Laffer curve.  Art Laffer was an economist who worked for 
Reagan, among others.  Like supply and demand curves, it's conceptually a sound 
but notional theory.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of G
> Mann via Mercedes
> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 7:47 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: G Mann 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs
> 
> Actually, lowering taxes across the board produces more tax revenue. I know,
> heads are spinning at that comment. Follow along for just a bit.
> 
> Lower taxes means less burden on both workers and businesses. That directly
> equates to more business orders placed, more goods sold, and more work
> hours paid for to produce those goods, thus, more wages paid.
> 
> Each time a dollar is spent, it pays a tax. Spend more dollars, collect more
> taxes.
> 
> If you tax a dollar at 90% and it only gets spent one time.. you collect 90
> cents.
> Spending produces a taxable event so "people" stop spending, banks stop
> loaning, and industry moves out of the country to places where they don't
> have to deal with regulation and confiscatory taxes. Like China, India, 
> Mexico,
> etc etc..
> 
> If you tax a dollar at 5% and both industry and labor spends that dollar and
> keeps circulating it, which is what happens when a fair tax rate is used, like
> back in "1952", the total taxes collected are exponentially higher. Dollars 
> stay
> on the move, creating "taxable events".
> 
> To gain perspective, an example. In May of 2016, every cargo ship in the
> world was setting in port, or at anchor, or empty.  There is a web site which
> tracks every ship in the world, you can look it up.. They were all setting
> because factories had not received sufficient orders for the previous months
> to fill them. Warehouses that would receive their loads were at capacity,
> [capacity defined by willingness to buy and warehouse unsold goods] and
> companies that bought goods from those warehouses simply were not
> buying... because people were either broke or holding what ever funds they
> had, rather than buy more goods..
> 
> Simple fact... if the government taxed every worker at 100% of annual
> income, it would only run the government, at it's present rate of spending,
> for about 5 days.
> We don't need more taxes.. we need more restraint on those doing the
> spending, as a starting point.
> 
> 


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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Grant said: " Simple fact... if the government taxed every worker at 100% of 
annual income, it would only run the government, at it's present rate of 
spending, for about 5 days."

But if the government took 100% of my earnings, I'd stop working entirely (i.e. 
zero tax revenue).  That's the basis of the Laffer curve.



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Re: [MBZ] Cheap diesel

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I'm surprised it took so long!  Congrats on the sale!
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
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'95 E300

On August 9, 2016 9:20:57 PM EDT, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Ouch!  The truth hurts!   You will boggle the brain cells of the H-> 
(highway to hell) supporters on here!


Funny how they all worship JFK, yet say what JFK knew to be true, is 
false, and "know" that what JFK did that boosted the economy "won't work!"


Hear Here!

G Mann via Mercedes 
August 9, 2016 at 6:47 PM
Actually, lowering taxes across the board produces more tax revenue. I
know, heads are spinning at that comment. Follow along for just a bit.

Lower taxes means less burden on both workers and businesses. That 
directly

equates to more business orders placed, more goods sold, and more work
hours paid for to produce those goods, thus, more wages paid.

Each time a dollar is spent, it pays a tax. Spend more dollars, collect
more taxes.

If you tax a dollar at 90% and it only gets spent one time.. you 
collect 90

cents.
Spending produces a taxable event so "people" stop spending, banks stop
loaning, and industry moves out of the country to places where they don't
have to deal with regulation and confiscatory taxes. Like China, India,
Mexico, etc etc..

If you tax a dollar at 5% and both industry and labor spends that dollar
and keeps circulating it, which is what happens when a fair tax rate is
used, like back in "1952", the total taxes collected are exponentially
higher. Dollars stay on the move, creating "taxable events".

To gain perspective, an example. In May of 2016, every cargo ship in the
world was setting in port, or at anchor, or empty. There is a web site
which tracks every ship in the world, you can look it up.. They were all
setting because factories had not received sufficient orders for the
previous months to fill them. Warehouses that would receive their loads
were at capacity, [capacity defined by willingness to buy and warehouse
unsold goods] and companies that bought goods from those warehouses simply
were not buying... because people were either broke or holding what ever
funds they had, rather than buy more goods..

Simple fact... if the government taxed every worker at 100% of annual
income, it would only run the government, at it's present rate of 
spending,

for about 5 days.
We don't need more taxes.. we need more restraint on those doing the
spending, as a starting point.


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clay via Mercedes 
August 9, 2016 at 3:56 PM
The liberal Heaven of Seattle has become a homeless encampment in the 
last 8 years. These folks are taking over the public rights of way, 
highway verges, roundabouts, sidewalks, any space they can find to set 
up camp. The population of unemployed in the Soviet Socialist Republic 
of Seattle has boomed under O’bummer. Bush was not able to produce 
enough of this population over an 8 year period. The homeless under 
his rule took up park benches, and clogged shelters, but nothing like 
the thousands living in tents and what look like refugee camps.


Under the Evil Queen, I am sure there will be even more dispossessed 
and an even greater decline in national infrastructure. Roving bands 
of pan handlers will swarm along pot holed roadways, pleading for 
handouts that the goobermint is no longer capable of producing. The 
third world will have taken hold of America and we will all have to 
move to Canada for the health care and not because we just can not 
stand the idiot residing in the festering swamp along the Potomac.







clay

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Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
August 8, 2016 at 10:12 PM


Not deport. Sell into slavery. That oughta just about pay for it! :-)

I hate to say it, but I'd prefer "clueless boob" to "evil plotting 
monster"

any day. The system is designed to shield us from the former much better
than from the latter.

-- Jim
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[MBZ] Cheap diesel

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Is sold

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Re: [MBZ] Cheap diesel for sale

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Indeed, usually a rebuilt engine will not last as long as an original engine, 
unless it was rebuilt by Mercedes-Benz.  They are very difficult engines to 
rebuild correctly.  I would take Kaleb's over your example every time.

A rebuilt transmission is a bonus, and if the injection pump is rebuilt that is 
also a bonus.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On August 9, 2016 7:26:57 PM EDT, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>I wouldn't consider a rebuilt engine a huge bonus, these engines simply
>don't fail in the 200,000 mile range. Might need injectors but thats
>not even a big job.
>-Curt
>
>
>  From: Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List  
>Cc: Karl Wittnebel ; Max Dillon
>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 7:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cheap diesel for sale
>   
>Oh, Kaleb's 300d looks nice, but I have been dealing on one like it for
>awhile, and I want something mostly rebuilt. So I'm thinking of buying
>this
>1990 model instead.
>
>The motor was completely rebuilt, as were the trans and suspension,
>which
>should count for something I think, as compared to driving examples
>with
>nearly 200k on them. That stuff is not free; the parts alone for the
>motor
>are probably 5k, plus 2k for the trans, etc. I just want to drive
>something
>- not fix it for once.
>
>My only other MBZ cars right now are the 606 87 wagon and my 123 wagon,
>neither of which I am inclined to let go of just yet =:-)
>
>Karl
>
>On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 2:55 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
>mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> That's pretty high for this coast, you may find a buyer out there.
>> --
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> '87 300TD
>> '95 E300
>>
>> On August 9, 2016 4:56:46 PM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >What would this car be worth with faded paint, a dented trunk lid,
>> >newly
>> >fully rebuilt tranny/turbo/injection pump/motor, new ball joints,
>> >shocks
>> >etc, and an AC that doesn't turn on (but heat works and it has a new
>> >compressor)?
>> >
>> >I'm thinking 3k, but could it be more?
>> >
>> >Thanks for input.
>> >
>> >Karl
>> >
>> >
>> >On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 9:55 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
>> >mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> If it weren't black, I'd be interested.
>> >>
>> >> Max Dillon via Mercedes 
>> >>> August 8, 2016 at 11:39 PM
>> >>> Black paint? Deduct another couple hundred
>> >>>
>> >>> ;) Just kidding, If I needed a nice sedan, I'd be plotting a trip
>to
>> >get
>> >>> that now.
>> >>> M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes 
>> >>> August 8, 2016 at 11:31 PM
>> >>> Also, got a replacement wheel for the dented right rear rim?
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 2:10 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel
>> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Actually, lowering taxes across the board produces more tax revenue. I
know, heads are spinning at that comment. Follow along for just a bit.

Lower taxes means less burden on both workers and businesses. That directly
equates to more business orders placed, more goods sold, and more work
hours paid for to produce those goods, thus, more wages paid.

Each time a dollar is spent, it pays a tax. Spend more dollars, collect
more taxes.

If you tax a dollar at 90% and it only gets spent one time.. you collect 90
cents.
Spending produces a taxable event so "people" stop spending, banks stop
loaning, and industry moves out of the country to places where they don't
have to deal with regulation and confiscatory taxes. Like China, India,
Mexico, etc etc..

If you tax a dollar at 5% and both industry and labor spends that dollar
and keeps circulating it, which is what happens when a fair tax rate is
used, like back in "1952", the total taxes collected are exponentially
higher. Dollars stay on the move, creating "taxable events".

To gain perspective, an example. In May of 2016, every cargo ship in the
world was setting in port, or at anchor, or empty.  There is a web site
which tracks every ship in the world, you can look it up.. They were all
setting because factories had not received sufficient orders for the
previous months to fill them. Warehouses that would receive their loads
were at capacity, [capacity defined by willingness to buy and warehouse
unsold goods] and companies that bought goods from those warehouses simply
were not buying... because people were either broke or holding what ever
funds they had, rather than buy more goods..

Simple fact... if the government taxed every worker at 100% of annual
income, it would only run the government, at it's present rate of spending,
for about 5 days.
We don't need more taxes.. we need more restraint on those doing the
spending, as a starting point.


On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 1:56 PM, clay via Mercedes 
wrote:

> The liberal Heaven of Seattle has become a homeless encampment in the last
> 8 years.  These folks are taking over the public rights of way, highway
> verges, roundabouts, sidewalks, any space they can find to set up camp.
> The population of unemployed in the Soviet Socialist Republic of Seattle
> has boomed under O’bummer.  Bush was not able to produce enough of this
> population over an 8 year period.  The homeless under his rule took up park
> benches, and clogged shelters, but nothing like the thousands living in
> tents and what look like refugee camps.
>
> Under the Evil Queen, I am sure there will be even more dispossessed and
> an even greater decline in national infrastructure.  Roving bands of pan
> handlers will swarm along pot holed roadways, pleading for handouts that
> the goobermint is no longer capable of producing.  The third world will
> have taken hold of America and we will all have to move to Canada for the
> health care and not because we just can not stand the idiot residing in the
> festering swamp along the Potomac.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> clay
>
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 8, 2016, at 8:12 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Anybody with a brain can see that Trump has NO plan, you can't lower
> >> taxes, pay off the deficit, put more money into defense and deport 11
> >> million people all while maintaining social security, medicare and
> "taking
> >> care of everybody". Thats the kind of plan somebody thats been bankrupt
> 4
> >> times would come up with.
> >
> >
> > Not deport.  Sell into slavery.  That oughta just about pay for it!  :-)
> >
> > I hate to say it, but I'd prefer "clueless boob" to "evil plotting
> monster"
> > any day.  The system is designed to shield us from the former much better
> > than from the latter.
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Re: [MBZ] Cheap diesel for sale

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> On August 9, 2016 at 7:14 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> The motor was completely rebuilt, as were the trans and suspension, which
> should count for something I think,

I'd rather have a perfect running 200kmi diesel than a rebuilt one, unless I
knew exactly who and how it was rebuilt. Now, a factory crate motor, that's
really worth something. 
There's probably a lot more rebuilders who would do a good job on the
transmission, and anybody can renew the suspension as long as he knows to
tighten the bolts on all the rubber bushings with the car's weight on the
suspension and to use a spreader bar when adjusting toe-in.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Cheap diesel for sale

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I wouldn't consider a rebuilt engine a huge bonus, these engines simply don't 
fail in the 200,000 mile range. Might need injectors but thats not even a big 
job.
-Curt


  From: Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
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Cc: Karl Wittnebel ; Max Dillon 
 Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 7:14 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cheap diesel for sale
   
Oh, Kaleb's 300d looks nice, but I have been dealing on one like it for
awhile, and I want something mostly rebuilt. So I'm thinking of buying this
1990 model instead.

The motor was completely rebuilt, as were the trans and suspension, which
should count for something I think, as compared to driving examples with
nearly 200k on them. That stuff is not free; the parts alone for the motor
are probably 5k, plus 2k for the trans, etc. I just want to drive something
- not fix it for once.

My only other MBZ cars right now are the 606 87 wagon and my 123 wagon,
neither of which I am inclined to let go of just yet =:-)

Karl

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 2:55 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
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> That's pretty high for this coast, you may find a buyer out there.
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
>
> On August 9, 2016 4:56:46 PM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >What would this car be worth with faded paint, a dented trunk lid,
> >newly
> >fully rebuilt tranny/turbo/injection pump/motor, new ball joints,
> >shocks
> >etc, and an AC that doesn't turn on (but heat works and it has a new
> >compressor)?
> >
> >I'm thinking 3k, but could it be more?
> >
> >Thanks for input.
> >
> >Karl
> >
> >
> >On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 9:55 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> >mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> If it weren't black, I'd be interested.
> >>
> >> Max Dillon via Mercedes 
> >>> August 8, 2016 at 11:39 PM
> >>> Black paint? Deduct another couple hundred
> >>>
> >>> ;) Just kidding, If I needed a nice sedan, I'd be plotting a trip to
> >get
> >>> that now.
> >>> M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes 
> >>> August 8, 2016 at 11:31 PM
> >>> Also, got a replacement wheel for the dented right rear rim?
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] OM603 starter

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Check importecautoparts.com, or rock auto for comps sake.

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> Where is the cheapest place for a Bosch reman starter for an OM603?
> 
> Kaleb,   what was that place you found?
> 
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[MBZ] OM603 starter

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Where is the cheapest place for a Bosch reman starter for an OM603?

Kaleb,   what was that place you found?


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Re: [MBZ] Ac again

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

The belt and all tensioner parts are new. The belt is not slipping it's 
actually the clutch itself that slips causing the bark. Cools great though 
except at idle. If a compressor is worn out will it work fine at highway speed 
but not pump enough while sitting? I have seen r12 converted to 134 do that or 
if they are low on freon but this is a stock 134 system with a fresh charge and 
it will freeze you out while driving but just quits when sitting still.

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> On Aug 9, 2016, at 5:40 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
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> 
> I would replace the belt and check the condition of the clutch, easy enough 
> to spin it with the engine off and check for binding in the compressor or 
> faulty bearings, etc.
> 
> Also verify that the gap at the clutch is correct.
> 
> You don't have much slippage unless the KLIMA has been replaced with a simple 
> relay -- don't know if that model has separate relays or just the one big 
> electronic one.
> 
> Check the belt tensioner as well, if it's bad the belt can bark and the AC 
> will perform poorly.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Cheap diesel for sale

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Oh, Kaleb's 300d looks nice, but I have been dealing on one like it for
awhile, and I want something mostly rebuilt. So I'm thinking of buying this
1990 model instead.

The motor was completely rebuilt, as were the trans and suspension, which
should count for something I think, as compared to driving examples with
nearly 200k on them. That stuff is not free; the parts alone for the motor
are probably 5k, plus 2k for the trans, etc. I just want to drive something
- not fix it for once.

My only other MBZ cars right now are the 606 87 wagon and my 123 wagon,
neither of which I am inclined to let go of just yet =:-)

Karl

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> That's pretty high for this coast, you may find a buyer out there.
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
>
> On August 9, 2016 4:56:46 PM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >What would this car be worth with faded paint, a dented trunk lid,
> >newly
> >fully rebuilt tranny/turbo/injection pump/motor, new ball joints,
> >shocks
> >etc, and an AC that doesn't turn on (but heat works and it has a new
> >compressor)?
> >
> >I'm thinking 3k, but could it be more?
> >
> >Thanks for input.
> >
> >Karl
> >
> >
> >On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 9:55 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> >mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> If it weren't black, I'd be interested.
> >>
> >> Max Dillon via Mercedes 
> >>> August 8, 2016 at 11:39 PM
> >>> Black paint? Deduct another couple hundred
> >>>
> >>> ;) Just kidding, If I needed a nice sedan, I'd be plotting a trip to
> >get
> >>> that now.
> >>> M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes 
> >>> August 8, 2016 at 11:31 PM
> >>> Also, got a replacement wheel for the dented right rear rim?
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] Ac again

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

I would replace the belt and check the condition of the clutch, easy  
enough to spin it with the engine off and check for binding in the  
compressor or faulty bearings, etc.


Also verify that the gap at the clutch is correct.

You don't have much slippage unless the KLIMA has been replaced with a  
simple relay -- don't know if that model has separate relays or just  
the one big electronic one.


Check the belt tensioner as well, if it's bad the belt can bark and  
the AC will perform poorly.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Cheap diesel for sale

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

That's pretty high for this coast, you may find a buyer out there.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On August 9, 2016 4:56:46 PM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>What would this car be worth with faded paint, a dented trunk lid,
>newly
>fully rebuilt tranny/turbo/injection pump/motor, new ball joints,
>shocks
>etc, and an AC that doesn't turn on (but heat works and it has a new
>compressor)?
>
>I'm thinking 3k, but could it be more?
>
>Thanks for input.
>
>Karl
>
>
>On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 9:55 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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>
>> If it weren't black, I'd be interested.
>>
>> Max Dillon via Mercedes 
>>> August 8, 2016 at 11:39 PM
>>> Black paint? Deduct another couple hundred
>>>
>>> ;) Just kidding, If I needed a nice sedan, I'd be plotting a trip to
>get
>>> that now.
>>> M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes 
>>> August 8, 2016 at 11:31 PM
>>> Also, got a replacement wheel for the dented right rear rim?
>>>
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>>> How much for the package delivered to Moriarty, NM?
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Re: [MBZ] Cheap diesel for sale

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

What would this car be worth with faded paint, a dented trunk lid, newly
fully rebuilt tranny/turbo/injection pump/motor, new ball joints, shocks
etc, and an AC that doesn't turn on (but heat works and it has a new
compressor)?

I'm thinking 3k, but could it be more?

Thanks for input.

Karl


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> If it weren't black, I'd be interested.
>
> Max Dillon via Mercedes 
>> August 8, 2016 at 11:39 PM
>> Black paint? Deduct another couple hundred
>>
>> ;) Just kidding, If I needed a nice sedan, I'd be plotting a trip to get
>> that now.
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>> August 8, 2016 at 11:31 PM
>> Also, got a replacement wheel for the dented right rear rim?
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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[clay via Mercedes]

The liberal Heaven of Seattle has become a homeless encampment in the last 8 
years.  These folks are taking over the public rights of way, highway verges, 
roundabouts, sidewalks, any space they can find to set up camp.  The population 
of unemployed in the Soviet Socialist Republic of Seattle has boomed under 
O’bummer.  Bush was not able to produce enough of this population over an 8 
year period.  The homeless under his rule took up park benches, and clogged 
shelters, but nothing like the thousands living in tents and what look like 
refugee camps.  

Under the Evil Queen, I am sure there will be even more dispossessed and an 
even greater decline in national infrastructure.  Roving bands of pan handlers 
will swarm along pot holed roadways, pleading for handouts that the goobermint 
is no longer capable of producing.  The third world will have taken hold of 
America and we will all have to move to Canada for the health care and not 
because we just can not stand the idiot residing in the festering swamp along 
the Potomac.






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> On Aug 8, 2016, at 8:12 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Anybody with a brain can see that Trump has NO plan, you can't lower
>> taxes, pay off the deficit, put more money into defense and deport 11
>> million people all while maintaining social security, medicare and "taking
>> care of everybody". Thats the kind of plan somebody thats been bankrupt 4
>> times would come up with.
> 
> 
> Not deport.  Sell into slavery.  That oughta just about pay for it!  :-)
> 
> I hate to say it, but I'd prefer "clueless boob" to "evil plotting monster"
> any day.  The system is designed to shield us from the former much better
> than from the latter.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT more Car / Mercedes talk - keeping cool in hot humid climates

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I'll get the parts list later.  Basically a little Arduino, a temp/humid 
sensor, and a small 2-line LCD display.  You have to write some code and 
program the Arduino but that is pretty easy using code on Adafruit you 
can pretty much cut/paste with some minor jiggering.  Put the 
programming environment on your PC, plug in the Arduino to a USB port, 
then shoot the program to it, it runs.


Or look here for the stuff (bit more expensive than your chinee 
supplier, but probably decent quality). https://www.adafruit.com/categories


--FT


On 8/9/16 1:33 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

Is there a link to  the parts list and how to?   Sounds useful!

on another front:  I came across the basic stamp and breadboard I used 
to make an ultrasonic rangefinder 20 years ago



Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
August 9, 2016 at 11:01 AM
I have a little temp/humidity sensor on an Arduino and a display to 
show both.  Easy enough to make one, you can leave it in the car and 
run off 12V.  Probably $12 in parts from chinee sources, you could 
embed the display in your dash somewhere, make it look "factory."


--FT



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Re: [MBZ] old technology Some of it, I like...

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Right, see the other post where I ponder attaching one to a reflector on the 
side of the lantern. The reflectors get pretty hot and with the heatsink off to 
the side as opposed to being right in the rising heat it should be more 
effective.
-Curt

  From: fmiser via Mercedes 
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: fmiser 
 Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 2:43 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] old technology Some of it, I like...
   
> > > > Jim wrote:
> > > >    
> > > > Peltier devices only work off the heat _differential_, so it
> > > > needs ample access to 'cool',

> > > Curt wrote:
> > > 
> > > Right! They'll sit on top of the lantern with a big heatsink on
> > > top of the device.

> > fmiser wrote:
> > 
> > That's good for the hot side.  What about the cold side.
> > 
> > It's not just a matter of getting it hot.  One side hot, the other
> > side cold - then you get current flow.  So if you don't do
> > something to keep the cold side cold, it won't work so well.
> > 
> > Just having the cold side in the dark should give you a little
> > difference.  Better would be a big heatsink, with an insulated
> > "wall" to keep the lantern heat/light off of it.

> Curt wrote:
> 
> Umm, on top of the lantern with a big heatsink on the top of the
> device? 

Quoting myself, "Just having the cold side in the dark should give
you a little difference."  How do you expect that heatsink to
dissipate it's heat?

> I don't need a heatsink on the hot side, or rather the lantern's
> own vent already is a heatsink on the hot side...

I have said almost nothing about the hot side. Stick it as close to
the lantern as you can without melting it.  Done.

I was referring to the COLD side needing a heatsink with an
insulated wall to keep the lantern heat off of it.

If you put a big, finned aluminum hunk, un-shaded, 1 cm further
away from the lamp than the hot side of the peltier - how much
cooler do you think it will be?  What about after it's been there
for 10 minutes?

I'm presuming you are wanting sustained current - not just the
first 30 seconds until the cold side warms up.  That means the heat
flowing through the peltier from the hot to the cold side will warm
the cold side until there is little current flow.  To keep generating
electricity, that heat has to be removed from the cold side.  A
heatsink is a good choice for that job.

But for it to work well, the  has to be kept out of the heat from the
lantern.  That's why I mentioned an insulated wall.

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Re: [MBZ] old technology Some of it, I like...

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> > > > Jim wrote:
> > > >    
> > > > Peltier devices only work off the heat _differential_, so it
> > > > needs ample access to 'cool',

> > > Curt wrote:
> > > 
> > > Right! They'll sit on top of the lantern with a big heatsink on
> > > top of the device.

> > fmiser wrote:
> > 
> > That's good for the hot side.  What about the cold side.
> > 
> > It's not just a matter of getting it hot.  One side hot, the other
> > side cold - then you get current flow.  So if you don't do
> > something to keep the cold side cold, it won't work so well.
> > 
> > Just having the cold side in the dark should give you a little
> > difference.  Better would be a big heatsink, with an insulated
> > "wall" to keep the lantern heat/light off of it.

> Curt wrote:
> 
> Umm, on top of the lantern with a big heatsink on the top of the
> device? 

Quoting myself, "Just having the cold side in the dark should give
you a little difference."  How do you expect that heatsink to
dissipate it's heat?

> I don't need a heatsink on the hot side, or rather the lantern's
> own vent already is a heatsink on the hot side...

I have said almost nothing about the hot side. Stick it as close to
the lantern as you can without melting it.  Done.

I was referring to the COLD side needing a heatsink with an
insulated wall to keep the lantern heat off of it.

If you put a big, finned aluminum hunk, un-shaded, 1 cm further
away from the lamp than the hot side of the peltier - how much
cooler do you think it will be?  What about after it's been there
for 10 minutes?

I'm presuming you are wanting sustained current - not just the
first 30 seconds until the cold side warms up.  That means the heat
flowing through the peltier from the hot to the cold side will warm
the cold side until there is little current flow.  To keep generating
electricity, that heat has to be removed from the cold side.  A
heatsink is a good choice for that job.

But for it to work well, the  has to be kept out of the heat from the
lantern.  That's why I mentioned an insulated wall.

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Re: [MBZ] old technology Some of it, I like...

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> > > > Jim wrote:
> > > >    
> > > > Peltier devices only work off the heat _differential_, so it
> > > > needs ample access to 'cool',

> > > Curt wrote:
> > > 
> > > Right! They'll sit on top of the lantern with a big heatsink on
> > > top of the device.

> > fmiser wrote:
> > 
> > That's good for the hot side.  What about the cold side.
> > 
> > It's not just a matter of getting it hot.  One side hot, the other
> > side cold - then you get current flow.  So if you don't do
> > something to keep the cold side cold, it won't work so well.
> > 
> > Just having the cold side in the dark should give you a little
> > difference.  Better would be a big heatsink, with an insulated
> > "wall" to keep the lantern heat/light off of it.

> Curt wrote:
> 
> Umm, on top of the lantern with a big heatsink on the top of the
> device? 

Quoting myself, "Just having the cold side in the dark should give
you a little difference."  How do you expect that heatsink to
dissipate it's heat?

> I don't need a heatsink on the hot side, or rather the lantern's
> own vent already is a heatsink on the hot side...

I have said almost nothing about the hot side. Stick it as close to
the lantern as you can without melting it.  Done.

I was referring to the COLD side needing a heatsink with an
insulated wall to keep the lantern heat off of it.

If you put a big, finned aluminum hunk, un-shaded, 1 cm further
away from the lamp than the hot side of the peltier - how much
cooler do you think it will be?  What about after it's been there
for 10 minutes?

I'm presuming you are wanting sustained current - not just the
first 30 seconds until the cold side warms up.  That means the heat
flowing through the peltier from the hot to the cold side will warm
the cold side until there is little current flow.  To keep generating
electricity, that heat has to be removed from the cold side.  A
heatsink is a good choice for that job.

But for it to work well, the  has to be kept out of the heat from the
lantern.  That's why I mentioned an insulated wall.

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Re: [MBZ] OT more Car / Mercedes talk - keeping cool in hot humid climates

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 9 Aug 2016 11:21:46 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I like the cool air between 7500 and 10,500 feet better -

We had that at home in Los Alamos. :-)


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs of the times

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

How many weeks in Rohm-town does it take to equal more deaths that what 
we had in Iraq?


But, since they are all (D) in a (D) town we never hear that body count


Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
August 9, 2016 at 11:06 AM
Chitown bangers shooting 9 for 22, .409 for Monday.  Gun control has 
improved considerably, usually they're down around .200 or lower!


http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/police-7-dead-10-wounded-in-chicago-shootings-monday/ 



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Re: [MBZ] OT more Car / Mercedes talk - keeping cool in hot humid climates

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Is there a link to  the parts list and how to?   Sounds useful!

on another front:  I came across the basic stamp and breadboard I used 
to make an ultrasonic rangefinder 20 years ago



Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
August 9, 2016 at 11:01 AM
I have a little temp/humidity sensor on an Arduino and a display to 
show both.  Easy enough to make one, you can leave it in the car and 
run off 12V.  Probably $12 in parts from chinee sources, you could 
embed the display in your dash somewhere, make it look "factory."


--FT



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Re: [MBZ] old technology Some of it, I like...

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Umm, on top of the lantern with a big heatsink on the top of the device?
Which I already wrote right above your reply.
I don't need a heatsink on the hot side, or rather the lantern's own vent 
already is a heatsink on the hot side...
-Curt

  From: fmiser via Mercedes 
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: fmiser 
 Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 1:27 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] old technology Some of it, I like...
   
> > Jim wrote:
> >    
> > Peltier devices only work off the heat _differential_, so it
> > needs ample access to 'cool',

> Curt wrote:
> 
> Right! They'll sit on top of the lantern with a big heatsink on
> top of the device.

That's good for the hot side.  What about the cold side.

It's not just a matter of getting it hot.  One side hot, the other
side cold - then you get current flow.  So if you don't do
something to keep the cold side cold, it won't work so well.

Just having the cold side in the dark should give you a little
difference.  Better would be a big heatsink, with an insulated
"wall" to keep the lantern heat/light off of it.

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Re: [MBZ] old technology Some of it, I like...

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> > Jim wrote:
> >
> > Peltier devices only work off the heat _differential_, so it
> > needs ample access to 'cool',

> Curt wrote:
> 
> Right! They'll sit on top of the lantern with a big heatsink on
> top of the device.

That's good for the hot side.   What about the cold side.

It's not just a matter of getting it hot.  One side hot, the other
side cold - then you get current flow.  So if you don't do
something to keep the cold side cold, it won't work so well.

Just having the cold side in the dark should give you a little
difference.  Better would be a big heatsink, with an insulated
"wall" to keep the lantern heat/light off of it.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs of the times

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

It's due to the "gun show loophole."  The bangers go to the gun shows in 
Chiraq and buy all their guns under this "loophole." Mayor Rahm is 
devoting all his energy to closing this "loophole" but needs more money 
to be successful.


But not to worry about the deceased, they will vote D in November!

--FT


On 8/9/16 12:56 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Since Chicago has strict gun control laws, and it is nearly impossible for
a legal citizen to obtain a concealed carry permit in the state of
Illinois, it is apparent the city needs more and larger "gun free zone"
signs.

I'm sure the ones they have, along with the strict gun control laws are
working, obviously, the killers just couldn't see the signs... or couldn't
read them.

Sarcasm off

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 9:06 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Chitown bangers shooting 9 for 22, .409 for Monday.  Gun control has
improved considerably, usually they're down around .200 or lower!

http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/police-7-dead-10-wounded-in
-chicago-shootings-monday/

--FT

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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs of the times

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Since Chicago has strict gun control laws, and it is nearly impossible for
a legal citizen to obtain a concealed carry permit in the state of
Illinois, it is apparent the city needs more and larger "gun free zone"
signs.

I'm sure the ones they have, along with the strict gun control laws are
working, obviously, the killers just couldn't see the signs... or couldn't
read them.

Sarcasm off

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 9:06 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Chitown bangers shooting 9 for 22, .409 for Monday.  Gun control has
> improved considerably, usually they're down around .200 or lower!
>
> http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/police-7-dead-10-wounded-in
> -chicago-shootings-monday/
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT more Car / Mercedes talk - keeping cool in hot humid climates

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I have several of these around the place - they record min - max as well as
current temp and humidity. They vary by up to 2 degrees sitting side by
side, but are good for deltas. At least they are consistent in their errors.

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I have a little temp/humidity sensor on an Arduino and a display to show
> both.  Easy enough to make one, you can leave it in the car and run off
> 12V.  Probably $12 in parts from chinee sources, you could embed the
> display in your dash somewhere, make it look "factory."
>
> --FT
>
>
>
> On 8/9/16 11:58 AM, Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Max wrote:
>>
>>> The result was that once I started driving the car, the
>>> AC was able to bring the temperature and comfort level down to tolerable
>>> much more quickly.
>>>
>> Dehumidifier lowers the need for a/c.  Remove humidity and the a/c
>> systems run better.  i.e. keep the windows closed and in-car humidity
>> does not get to ambient.  I like it.
>> mao
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Re: [MBZ] old technology Some of it, I like...

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I need to do that.
Dunno, whats the burning temp of gasoline?
I suspect its going to take some experimentation to find the best spot. 
Probably it'll work better in colder weather when theres a greater temperature 
differential.
Actually just occurred to me they make reflectors that go on the side of the 
lantern to push light in one direction, the back side of one of those might be 
a good place for the peltier, it won't get super hot and the heatsink won't be 
above the lantern. Thats the worst part I think is that the heatsink is going 
to be in the heat...
-Curt

  From: OK Don 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 12:18 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] old technology Some of it, I like...
   
How about using an IR thermometer to measure the temps, then place them in the 
most appropriate places? What is their operating temp range anyway?

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Right!They'll sit on top of the lantern with a big heatsink on top of the 
device.
I was worried about getting them hot enough but you've got me nervous they 
might get too hot. Maybe when I start I'll use a "big hat" Coleman and mount 
the device out toward the rim. You can just almost touch the outer rim without 
burning yourself while the very top of the vent is much too hot to touch.
-Curt



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rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves."WILL ROGERS, The 
Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers2013 F150, 18 mpg2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg1957 
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Re: [MBZ] OT more Car / Mercedes talk - keeping cool in hot humid climates

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I like the cool air between 7500 and 10,500 feet better -

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 11:02 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> AC is a dehumidifier or vice-versa no?
> I'm interested in seeing actual data, I'd also be interested in seeing if
> you start the car, get the AC going (not on recirculate) and open a window
> a little if the incoming air makes positive pressure inside the car to the
> point that the hot air exhausting is better than using recirculate to just
> cool the drier air inside the car.
> Lots of variables in cooling the car.
> -Curt
>
>   From: Mountain Man via Mercedes 
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> Cc: Mountain Man 
>  Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 11:58 AM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT more Car / Mercedes talk - keeping cool in hot
> humid climates
>
> Max wrote:
> > The result was that once I started driving the car, the
> > AC was able to bring the temperature and comfort level down to tolerable
> > much more quickly.
>
> Dehumidifier lowers the need for a/c.  Remove humidity and the a/c
> systems run better.  i.e. keep the windows closed and in-car humidity
> does not get to ambient.  I like it.
> mao
>
>

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Re: [MBZ] old technology Some of it, I like...

[OK Don via Mercedes]

How about using an IR thermometer to measure the temps, then place them in
the most appropriate places?
 What is their operating temp range anyway?


On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Right!They'll sit on top of the lantern with a big heatsink on top of the
> device.
> I was worried about getting them hot enough but you've got me nervous they
> might get too hot. Maybe when I start I'll use a "big hat" Coleman and
> mount the device out toward the rim. You can just almost touch the outer
> rim without burning yourself while the very top of the vent is much too hot
> to touch.
> -Curt
>


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learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs of the times

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Chitown bangers shooting 9 for 22, .409 for Monday.  Gun control has 
improved considerably, usually they're down around .200 or lower!


http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/police-7-dead-10-wounded-in-chicago-shootings-monday/

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Re: [MBZ] OT more Car / Mercedes talk - keeping cool in hot humid climates

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

AC is a dehumidifier or vice-versa no?
I'm interested in seeing actual data, I'd also be interested in seeing if you 
start the car, get the AC going (not on recirculate) and open a window a little 
if the incoming air makes positive pressure inside the car to the point that 
the hot air exhausting is better than using recirculate to just cool the drier 
air inside the car.
Lots of variables in cooling the car.
-Curt

  From: Mountain Man via Mercedes 
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Cc: Mountain Man 
 Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 11:58 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT more Car / Mercedes talk - keeping cool in hot humid 
climates
   
Max wrote:
> The result was that once I started driving the car, the
> AC was able to bring the temperature and comfort level down to tolerable
> much more quickly.

Dehumidifier lowers the need for a/c.  Remove humidity and the a/c
systems run better.  i.e. keep the windows closed and in-car humidity
does not get to ambient.  I like it.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT more Car / Mercedes talk - keeping cool in hot humid climates

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I have a little temp/humidity sensor on an Arduino and a display to show 
both.  Easy enough to make one, you can leave it in the car and run off 
12V.  Probably $12 in parts from chinee sources, you could embed the 
display in your dash somewhere, make it look "factory."


--FT


On 8/9/16 11:58 AM, Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote:

Max wrote:

The result was that once I started driving the car, the
AC was able to bring the temperature and comfort level down to tolerable
much more quickly.

Dehumidifier lowers the need for a/c.  Remove humidity and the a/c
systems run better.  i.e. keep the windows closed and in-car humidity
does not get to ambient.  I like it.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT more Car / Mercedes talk - keeping cool in hot humid climates

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Max wrote:
> The result was that once I started driving the car, the
> AC was able to bring the temperature and comfort level down to tolerable
> much more quickly.

Dehumidifier lowers the need for a/c.  Remove humidity and the a/c
systems run better.  i.e. keep the windows closed and in-car humidity
does not get to ambient.  I like it.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] old technology Some of it, I like...

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Right!They'll sit on top of the lantern with a big heatsink on top of the 
device.
I was worried about getting them hot enough but you've got me nervous they 
might get too hot. Maybe when I start I'll use a "big hat" Coleman and mount 
the device out toward the rim. You can just almost touch the outer rim without 
burning yourself while the very top of the vent is much too hot to touch.
-Curt

  From: Jim Cathey 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 11:43 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] old technology Some of it, I like...
   
Peltier devices only work off the heat _differential_, so it needs ample access 
to 'cool', whatever that is in your design.  Also, sufficiently high 
temperatures can kill them dead.  You can't just put them in a hot place and 
watch the money roll in.
-- Jim


  
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Re: [MBZ] old technology Some of it, I like...

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Peltier devices only work off the heat _differential_, so it needs ample
access to 'cool', whatever that is in your design.  Also, sufficiently high
temperatures can kill them dead.  You can't just put them in a hot place
and watch the money roll in.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

-Curt wrote:
> Politics has become talking, not discussion. For discussion you have to 
> listen...

Discussion? - Did you want to live in the 1950's?  Coleman lamps,
Coleman stoves, Coleman heaters...
That is an archaic concept - discussion...
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

We need to have a con.vuh.say.shun.

--FT


On 8/9/16 11:22 AM, Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote:

-Curt wrote:

Politics has become talking, not discussion. For discussion you have to 
listen...

Discussion? - Did you want to live in the 1950's?  Coleman lamps,
Coleman stoves, Coleman heaters...
That is an archaic concept - discussion...
mao

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[MBZ] Somebody needs this 116 manual trans Euro

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

http://ames.craigslist.org/cto/5720743326.html

NO evil crypsler ACC on this one!

But it DOES need Dimitri's help

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Re: [MBZ] OT more Car / Mercedes talk - keeping cool in hot humid climates

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 9 Aug 2016 08:42:06 -0400 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:

> The major difference was that humidity levels in the car were not
> ambient (80% and higher) but seemed to stay much lower.  The result was
> that once I started driving the car, the AC was able to bring the
> temperature and comfort level down to tolerable much more quickly.
> 
> I just purchased a cheapo hygrometer on Amazon that I'm going to use to
> get some data, see if my theory is confirmed.

Interesting! Let us know how it turns out.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

-Curt wrote:
> See on the other hand I think:
> A. Government actually has very little to do with the economy
> B. The economy is a big crazy thing that nobody really understands and when 
> somebody says they do they're probably selling something.
> C. The economy is NOT rational for the simple reason that people are not 
> rational and will cut their own throat to make a buck.

Curt for prez?
Sounds decent to me.
Do any of the Donald or Hillary promises implement these?
may

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[MBZ] Kleb: 115 Parts for your granny green 300D

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

http://ames.craigslist.org/cto/5723711198.html

It does appear to be a 115.   Sorry guys, the engine won't work in a 123.

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[MBZ] Someone needs this

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

http://jalopnik.com/photo-credit-silverstone-auctions-an-incredible-1990-me-1785018840

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Re: [MBZ] OT: political signs

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Pass.

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> We need to have a con.vuh.say.shun.
>
> --FT
>
>
>
> On 8/9/16 11:22 AM, Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> -Curt wrote:
>>
>>> Politics has become talking, not discussion. For discussion you have to
>>> listen...
>>>
>> Discussion? - Did you want to live in the 1950's?  Coleman lamps,
>> Coleman stoves, Coleman heaters...
>> That is an archaic concept - discussion...
>> mao
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[MBZ] 1967 200D on BAT

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Looks decent and fairly priced survivor.

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-mercedes-benz-200d/
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Re: [MBZ] 1977 Mercedes 300D Turbo $1000

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Probably lost the w/s ID plate although the plate on the door jamb would
have the MM/YY of production.

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 12:32 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> But the trunk badge says turbo?  Wrong badge, or wrong year listed in the
> ad?
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> '95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] old technology Some of it, I like...

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Funny you should post that. I just ordered parts to charge my cell phone based 
on the waste heat coming off a Coleman lantern. They already make a system to 
charge your phone off a wick lantern but a Coleman makes a lot more heat.I got 
10 peltier devices on eBay from Guangzu Charlie for around $18, he's also 
sending me a USB voltage regulator. I'm debating if I need to make a custom 
vent (lid) for a lantern or if I could stick them right to and existing one. 
Should be a fun experiment anyway.
-Curt

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On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 23:13:22 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Like a 110 200D or a 123 240D, or a 124 300D, or a 126 300SDL.
> 
> http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/g2729/9-pieces-of-obsolete-tech-that-just-wont-die/?mag=pop=nl_pnl_news=nl=080616
>  

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/gadgets/a22208/diy-waterwheel-phone-charger/
It's Just Not Camping Without a DIY Waterwheel to Charge Your Phone


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Fendering

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Which reminds me of another semi-automotive thing I wanted to mention.
Changed the oil in my compressor yesterday, about a year overdue, it was grey 
with metal which isn't a huge surprise as its the first change. Ran out of 
compressor oil so I headed to Advance (formerly Car Quest) only to find that 
they're closing down, all employees moving to different stores. The Car Quest 
had been there for decades, Advance killed it in just over a year. It was 
tremendously busy under Car Quest, the last few times I went in they didn't 
have anything, couldn't order anything, didn't know about anything. Typical 
Advance Auto buffoonery.
So I headed over to Federated Auto Parts which I hadn't used much in the past 
being that their store was smaller and less well stocked. He had compressor oil 
in stock for $10.25/qt but suggested I could use non-detergent 30wt for 
$3.40/qt. I went with the latter. Pouring it in it looked just like the 
compressor oil I'd used previously and the compressor sounds exactly the same. 
I'm thinking I'll run this until the fall and change it again to make sure I 
got the schmoo out...
-Curt

  From: Max Dillon via Mercedes 
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Cc: Max Dillon 
 Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 11:11 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Fendering
   
Please, PLEASE interrupt...
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On August 8, 2016 10:02:37 PM EDT, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Curt, I think  the list would prefer that you didn't interrupt the
>erudite
>political diatribe here with a mundane automotive  post about painting
>fenders.
>
>Dwight Giles Jr.
>1982 300CD
>1990 300D
>Wickford RI
>

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Re: [MBZ] old technology Some of it, I like...

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 08 Aug 2016 23:13:22 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Like a 110 200D or a 123 240D, or a 124 300D, or a 126 300SDL.
> 
> http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/g2729/9-pieces-of-obsolete-tech-that-just-wont-die/?mag=pop=nl_pnl_news=nl=080616
>  

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/gadgets/a22208/diy-waterwheel-phone-charger/
It's Just Not Camping Without a DIY Waterwheel to Charge Your Phone


Craig

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[MBZ] OT more Car / Mercedes talk - keeping cool in hot humid climates

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

A few weeks ago after my thread about window tint and keeping kühl, I
decided to try a little experiment.  I stopped cracking the windows and
sunroof while parked, but continued to put the sunshade in the windshield.
When I did drive the car, I kept the AC on recirculation and blasting full
fan and set at minimum temperature.

In-car temperatures would get up to about 110 deg F or so, by the end of
the work day, parked in an asphalt lot.  The major difference was that
humidity levels in the car were not ambient (80% and higher) but seemed to
stay much lower.  The result was that once I started driving the car, the
AC was able to bring the temperature and comfort level down to tolerable
much more quickly.

I just purchased a cheapo hygrometer on Amazon that I'm going to use to get
some data, see if my theory is confirmed.
-
Max
Charleston SC
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