Re: [MBZ] These were men!

[clay via Mercedes]

Oddly enough, the Nancy Boys in these parts no longer bear any genetic 
resemblance to those loggers.  On the other hand, the dames around here are 
about as tough and look as rough as those boys bucking logs 90 years ago.

clay

> On Dec 6, 2016, at 9:30 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> These were real men, not the confused little buttercup wussies that inhabit 
> colleges and the coastal cities of the US now.
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0K5XwmGmuw
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Re: [MBZ] These were men!

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Back in the day, even Hollywood people served their country.  
Some you may recognize:
http://www.imdb.com/list/ls003539523/


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> Subject: [MBZ] These were men!
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> These were real men, not the confused little buttercup wussies that
inhabit
> colleges and the coastal cities of the US now.
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> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0K5XwmGmuw
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[MBZ] These were men!

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

These were real men, not the confused little buttercup wussies that 
inhabit colleges and the coastal cities of the US now.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0K5XwmGmuw

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Re: [MBZ] Excepts from Sierra Club spam

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

It will be at least 8 years on end.


clay via Mercedes 
December 6, 2016 at 10:32 PM
This silliness that the progressives are engaged in would have 
resulted in massive condemnation had it been unleashed against the boy 
who won the whitehouse in 08. There would have been screeching from 
the top of lung that this sort of behavior was so egregious that it 
would have lasted all of five minutes before shock troops were called 
in to quell the hate speech and rioting. Now, we just have to watch 
these idiot have existential crisis and failure to acknowledge reality 
for weeks, if not months on end. Mayhap they will finally suffer a 
breakdown and get the institutional assistance they need. If so, they 
need to do it swiftly before OsamaCare is defunded.


clay


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Re: [MBZ] Excepts from Sierra Club spam

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

It was not about safe, it was about spewing the party line.  One guy was 
not a mind numbed robot, so he is branded and labelled and hated for 
being brave enough to question the party line.



clay via Mercedes 
December 6, 2016 at 10:07 PM
Uh, this was supposed to be an opportunity for students to express 
their emotions about the election. One kid expressed his feelings, in 
this safe place, where he should have been comfortable, and is now a 
hater.


clay




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Re: [MBZ] DeWalt Recip adventure

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

There may be a few other good brands.  Vermont American should be 
avoided, but it is middle of the road, not bottom of the barrel.


Lenox might make Milwaukee blades.


clay via Mercedes 
December 6, 2016 at 9:49 PM
I will be stocking up on reliable blades, as I wore out all I had on 
hand. thank you for the recommendation


clay


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Curley McLain 
December 6, 2016 at 7:45 AM
Buy only good blades.  Lenox,  then milwaukee or dewalt.


clay via Mercedes 
December 5, 2016 at 11:29 PM
Last week I scored a used Dewalt saw so that I could deprive a PnP car 
of its tin bits. Polei had a run in with what must have been a parking 
space barrier. The underside supports took the brunt of the impact, 
and over the past few years these frame rails have rusted out the 
bottom and into the sides. I think there is about a foot of metal that 
wants replacement.


I had rented a saw a few months ago to get myself a bit of rear fender 
panel, and did very well until I broke the only blade I had on hand. 
In the meanwhile, the crop of W126 examples had dried up. In the past 
few weeks more S cars showed up, so I need to go hunting. The battery 
that came with my saw is a bit low on electrons, and it took two 
visits to the yard to get one frame support. I am less than impressed 
with a few of the blades that I have dulled in the process, and 
squirming around in a gravel filled puddle, while sawing away, makes 
for an uncomfortable drive home.


I have a cheap chinese imitation battery on the way so that next visit 
I will be able to complete my hunt and move on to another product I 
might need.



clay

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1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei

retired models-
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








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Re: [MBZ] Excepts from Sierra Club spam

[clay via Mercedes]

Surviving local rag is twisting themselves into pretzels with how to present 
the news in a manner that will still sell papers in this vapid wasteland of 
liberal utopia.  They used to be the more conservative daily, but now it all 
seems to be written by the media giants of 1984 with double speak and bias 
galore.

clay


> On Dec 6, 2016, at 7:21 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Andrew wrote:
>> You must be joking.  I obviously meant you and all the other fake news
>> brown shirts of the Alt Rite are pathetic.
> 
> Agreed - Alt Rite are pathetic.
> Fake news? - Who is the arbiter of fake versus non-fake?
> Don't we all get news fake or non-fake via internet?  $Million$ are
> made either way.  Shall we begin the okiebenz news organization?
> News is a matter of belief? i.e. religion?
> Love... Everyone... Always - a small campaign but it seems nice
> compared to the tired back and forth fake versus non-fake?
> mao
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Re: [MBZ] Excepts from Sierra Club spam

[clay via Mercedes]

This silliness that the progressives are engaged in would have resulted in 
massive condemnation had it been unleashed against the boy who won the 
whitehouse in 08.  There would have been screeching from the top of lung that 
this sort of behavior was so egregious that it would have lasted all of five 
minutes before shock troops were called in to quell the hate speech and 
rioting.  Now, we just have to watch these idiot have existential crisis and 
failure to acknowledge reality for weeks, if not months on end.  Mayhap they 
will finally suffer a breakdown and get the institutional assistance they need. 
 If so, they need to do it swiftly before OsamaCare is defunded.

clay


> On Dec 6, 2016, at 7:02 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> OK, did some research.  Here is the straight poop:
> 
> "fake news" is the CCF/DNC/(J) code word for truth they don't want to hear.  
> As a devoted fan of CCF, Andrew can't face the truth that the BW itch lost.
> 
> Alt-rite is a boogeyman they made up.  (they believe they won)   These are 
> part of the sacred rites of the CCF/DNC/(J) group of delusional robots.
> 
> Reality sucks, especially if you are a CCF/DNC/(J) delusional robot.
>> Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>> December 6, 2016 at 8:41 PM
>> 
>> You are saying the news articles about the student who is wanted in by 
>> Edgewood
>> College in Madison (sorry, I originally saw "Madison" and assumed it was the
>> bigger bastion for progressive silliness known as UW) for the crime of 
>> writing
>> 'suck it up' on a post-it note are "fake news"?
>> 
>> Even after a WaPo writer contacted the college and confirmed the story?
>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/11/25/edgewood-college-calls-the-police-over-suck-it-up-post-it-note/?utm_term=.97be03f72748
>> 
>> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Excepts from Sierra Club spam

[clay via Mercedes]

I have some brown on my skivvies.  Does that count?  I can make up some news, 
but my imagination tends to follow the unbelievable sheningans of the local 
leftists.  Truth being stranger than fiction

clay



> On Dec 6, 2016, at 6:39 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Alt right is the group that spreads fake news - much like yourself.  Brown
> shirt - look it up.
> 
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 9:11 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I don't own a brown shirt.  I don't know what alt-rite is.  Apparently it
>> is a slur manufactured by the CCF and the (J) party and the DNC (Debbie
>> balbbermouth)  I have nothing to do with fake news or any news.
>> 
>> You, sir, owned a brown car!  You must be suspect!
>> 
>>> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>> December 6, 2016 at 8:05 PM
>>> You must be joking. I obviously meant you and all the other fake news
>>> brown shirts of the Alt Rite are pathetic.
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Green insides

[clay via Mercedes]

w126, Gen I, grey market.  The monkeys already attacked it with rocks in 
places.  The SD I was pulling parts for Dan from had the turbo removed with an 
axe from the look of it.

clay

> On Dec 6, 2016, at 6:06 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 108 116 or 126?
> 
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 8:46 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Kaleb will give you $499 for each piece!
>> 
>> 
>> clay via Mercedes 
>>> December 6, 2016 at 7:30 PM
>>> I was at PnP today to find a part for Poos. There was a 280SE, Silber
>>> Grun with green cloth interior. The trim is near perfect. Knee bolsters and
>>> center console are lovely. The rear carpet has mold, but will buff out. The
>>> seats are good but for the driver side bolster. Door cards perfect, with
>>> roll up windows all around and manual seats.
>>> 
>>> I brought the trunk carpets and front rugs home. Gave them a steam clean
>>> and now do not know if I should pull the rest.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> clay
>>> 
>>> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
>>> 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green
>>> 1986 SDL - Polei
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Re: [MBZ] Green insides

[clay via Mercedes]

I am so tempted to invest a day at the yard, but this week is predicting snow 
and freezing temps.  I also need a larger hauler, as the SDL is going to get 
cramped with doors, seats, and trim bits.


> On Dec 6, 2016, at 5:46 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Kaleb will give you $499 for each piece!
> 
> 
>> clay via Mercedes 
>> December 6, 2016 at 7:30 PM
>> I was at PnP today to find a part for Poos. There was a 280SE, Silber Grun 
>> with green cloth interior. The trim is near perfect. Knee bolsters and 
>> center console are lovely. The rear carpet has mold, but will buff out. The 
>> seats are good but for the driver side bolster. Door cards perfect, with 
>> roll up windows all around and manual seats.
>> 
>> I brought the trunk carpets and front rugs home. Gave them a steam clean and 
>> now do not know if I should pull the rest.
>> 
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
>> 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green
>> 1986 SDL - Polei
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Re: [MBZ] DeWalt Recip adventure

[clay via Mercedes]

I search the yard a bunch, but it has been raining over much and most of the 
cars have busted out windows or the products have been used for that purpose 
and are now soaking wet.  The bit of trunk liner I found was then stored on the 
roof of the target vehicle until I could return.  That did not keep the rain or 
swamp from seeping in/on.

clay


> On Dec 6, 2016, at 1:32 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Next time, grab the trunk liner carpet or the foot well carpet from a nearby 
> donor car, lay on that instead of the gravel.  Mucho mo better than a gravel 
> back rub.
> -- 
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Re: [MBZ] Excepts from Sierra Club spam

[clay via Mercedes]

Uh, this was supposed to be an opportunity for students to express their 
emotions about the election.  One kid expressed his feelings, in this safe 
place, where he should have been comfortable, and is now a hater.

clay

> On Dec 6, 2016, at 12:16 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On December 6, 2016 at 2:41 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Suck it up and quit whining
> 
> Kaleb just committed a Hate Crime (no, really, that's what they say at the
> University of Wisconsin at Madtown).
> 
> http://reason.com/blog/2016/11/23/students-reaction-to-trump-win-suck-it-u
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Re: [MBZ] Excepts from Sierra Club spam

[clay via Mercedes]

Warren tends to suck up all manner of goodies, vampires the profits from it, 
then will pass it along.  He likes to keep his hands clean by not being in the 
loop of the ethically challenging practices his many companies engage in.  His 
trailer park company likes to screw over the people they do business with. 
Usury in the sale of trailer homes such that the purchasers are rendered 
homeless with destroyed credit.He seems to be a rapacious scoundrel

clay



> On Dec 6, 2016, at 7:29 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So, are we starting to see a pattern here?  Do you derive any meaning from 
> pattern recognition?  Draw any conclusions from it?
> 
> --FT
> 
> 
> On 12/6/16 8:56 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
>> Floyd sez:
>> 
>>> ‎Check out who owns the railroad that >transports all this nasty stuff.
>> Hmm. Union Tank Car... owned by Berkshire Hathaway. Burlington 
>> Northern owned by... Berkshire Hathaway. ‎Santa Fe... owned by... 
>> Berkshire Hathaway.
>> 
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> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] DeWalt Recip adventure

[clay via Mercedes]

I will be stocking up on reliable blades, as I wore out all I had on hand.  
thank you for the recommendation

clay
On Dec 6, 2016, at 5:45 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes  
wrote:
> 
> Buy only good blades.  Lenox,  then milwaukee or dewalt.
> 
>> clay via Mercedes 
>> December 5, 2016 at 11:29 PM
>> Last week I scored a used Dewalt saw so that I could deprive a PnP car of 
>> its tin bits. Polei had a run in with what must have been a parking space 
>> barrier. The underside supports took the brunt of the impact, and over the 
>> past few years these frame rails have rusted out the bottom and into the 
>> sides. I think there is about a foot of metal that wants replacement.
>> 
>> I had rented a saw a few months ago to get myself a bit of rear fender 
>> panel, and did very well until I broke the only blade I had on hand. In the 
>> meanwhile, the crop of W126 examples had dried up. In the past few weeks 
>> more S cars showed up, so I need to go hunting. The battery that came with 
>> my saw is a bit low on electrons, and it took two visits to the yard to get 
>> one frame support. I am less than impressed with a few of the blades that I 
>> have dulled in the process, and squirming around in a gravel filled puddle, 
>> while sawing away, makes for an uncomfortable drive home.
>> 
>> I have a cheap chinese imitation battery on the way so that next visit I 
>> will be able to complete my hunt and move on to another product I might need.
>> 
>> 
>> clay
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] CCF marches on...

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Andrew wrote:
> I guess some fake news is actually Good News.

;-P
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Excepts from Sierra Club spam

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Peter wrote:
> Fake news would be imaginary things reported as fact, such as the Satanic
> child abuse ring headquartered at a pizza place in DC.
>
> Most of it appears to me to come from Russia.

;-P
mao

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Re: [MBZ] This is interesting

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Peter wrote:
> I always fall down laughing when people talk about "ecological" electric or
> hydrogen powered cars.

Fall down laughing is a good thing?  The argument FOR electric or
hydrogen powered cars might be that the pollution generator is a
solitary point source generator rather than a diverse pollution
generator driving along the road?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Excepts from Sierra Club spam

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Fake news would be imaginary things reported as fact, such as the  
Satanic child abuse ring headquartered at a pizza place in DC.


Most of it appears to me to come from Russia.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Excepts from Sierra Club spam

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Hear Here!  Way to go Mao Tin Man!


Mountain Man via Mercedes 
December 6, 2016 at 9:21 PM

Agreed - Alt Rite are pathetic.
Fake news? - Who is the arbiter of fake versus non-fake?
Don't we all get news fake or non-fake via internet? $Million$ are
made either way. Shall we begin the okiebenz news organization?
News is a matter of belief? i.e. religion?
Love... Everyone... Always - a small campaign but it seems nice
compared to the tired back and forth fake versus non-fake?
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Re: [MBZ] Green insides

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

My first 240D  was silber Gruen. I thought it was an ugly color but I loved
the  car.

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
2005 E320 4 matic
Wickford RI

On Dec 6, 2016 9:06 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> 108 116 or 126?
>
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 8:46 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Kaleb will give you $499 for each piece!
> >
> >
> > clay via Mercedes 
> >> December 6, 2016 at 7:30 PM
> >> I was at PnP today to find a part for Poos. There was a 280SE, Silber
> >> Grun with green cloth interior. The trim is near perfect. Knee bolsters
> and
> >> center console are lovely. The rear carpet has mold, but will buff out.
> The
> >> seats are good but for the driver side bolster. Door cards perfect, with
> >> roll up windows all around and manual seats.
> >>
> >> I brought the trunk carpets and front rugs home. Gave them a steam clean
> >> and now do not know if I should pull the rest.
> >>
> >>
> >> clay
> >>
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> >> 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green
> >> 1986 SDL - Polei
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Excepts from Sierra Club spam

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Andrew wrote:
> You must be joking.  I obviously meant you and all the other fake news
> brown shirts of the Alt Rite are pathetic.

Agreed - Alt Rite are pathetic.
Fake news? - Who is the arbiter of fake versus non-fake?
Don't we all get news fake or non-fake via internet?  $Million$ are
made either way.  Shall we begin the okiebenz news organization?
News is a matter of belief? i.e. religion?
Love... Everyone... Always - a small campaign but it seems nice
compared to the tired back and forth fake versus non-fake?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] FL MiniQ BMWMOA rally

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Anyone from further up the coast interested?  Andrew, if you drive down 
we'll help wax your wagon and I'll buy you a beer.


Is there anyone for whom the 14th/15th does not work?  I'm thinking the 
Q itself would be something like noon to 5 pm or so on the 14th.  Pre 
and post activities (made up onsite) for those who can and do.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Insurance

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

3,000 - 5,000 miles/year., roughly.

Dan


> On Dec 6, 2016, at 9:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> No limit on your driving?
> 
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> > wrote:
> Heh.
> 
> Just got done with the application with Hagerty for the 300D.  Called my 
> Allstate agent to see what would be necessary to shuffle things around with 
> my umbrella policy only to discover that they could have written the policy 
> with Hagerty.
> 
> 
> 
> I told them I would have done it with them to begin with, since I didn’t know 
> they wrote multiple lines.  They said that Hagerty lets just about anyone 
> write policies for them, so in a month or two we’ll change the agent of 
> record to my guy so everything is under one roof.
> 
> $308.00/year, full coverage, road service, etc.  Nice.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] FL MiniQ BMWMOA rally

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

All true.  But I might pay  upfront.  As a MOA lifer, I might be able to 
wrangle a guest escort and a free look about.  (no $$)  Until we 
finalize a date, I am not going to worry about how to get in.



MG via Mercedes 
December 6, 2016 at 8:56 PM
It says the only way to get into that is to buy the ticket for $55. 
Limit is 500 people and no one gets in during the event without prior 
ticket purchase. Probably need to be riding a BMW also. The event 
takes place on the military base so no way to get there unless you are 
in the group or have military ID.


Manfred




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Re: [MBZ] Excepts from Sierra Club spam

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

OK, did some research.  Here is the straight poop:

"fake news" is the CCF/DNC/(J) code word for truth they don't want to 
hear.  As a devoted fan of CCF, Andrew can't face the truth that the BW 
itch lost.


Alt-rite is a boogeyman they made up.  (they believe they won)   These 
are part of the sacred rites of the CCF/DNC/(J) group of delusional robots.


Reality sucks, especially if you are a CCF/DNC/(J) delusional robot.

Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
December 6, 2016 at 8:41 PM

You are saying the news articles about the student who is wanted in by 
Edgewood
College in Madison (sorry, I originally saw "Madison" and assumed it 
was the
bigger bastion for progressive silliness known as UW) for the crime of 
writing

'suck it up' on a post-it note are "fake news"?

Even after a WaPo writer contacted the college and confirmed the story?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/11/25/edgewood-college-calls-the-police-over-suck-it-up-post-it-note/?utm_term=.97be03f72748

Mitch.



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Re: [MBZ] FL MiniQ BMWMOA rally

[MG via Mercedes]

It says the only way to get into that is to buy the ticket for 
$55. Limit is 500 people and no one gets in during the event 
without prior ticket purchase. Probably need to be riding a BMW 
also. The event takes place on the military base so no way to get 
there unless you are in the group or have military ID.


Manfred



Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2016 16:49:01 -0600
From: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>

Hmmm.

BMW motorsickle rally not far from Hawthorne/Gainesville FL the weekend 
of Jan 14.


http://www.bmwmoa.org/events/EventDetails.aspx?id=856821

Could be fun to go there before/after the MiniQ.

Any of you SE listers interested in BMWs too?  (I only like the 2 wheel 
variety without electronics)


The 4 wheel variety are like high cost, high maintenance women.



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Re: [MBZ] Excepts from Sierra Club spam

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> On December 6, 2016 at 9:05 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> You must be joking.  I obviously meant you and all the other fake news
> brown shirts of the Alt Rite are pathetic.

You are saying the news articles about the student who is wanted in by Edgewood
College in Madison (sorry, I originally saw "Madison" and assumed it was the
bigger bastion for progressive silliness known as UW) for the crime of writing
'suck it up' on a post-it note are "fake news"?

Even after a WaPo writer contacted the college and confirmed the story?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/11/25/edgewood-college-calls-the-police-over-suck-it-up-post-it-note/?utm_term=.97be03f72748

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Insurance

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

No limit on your driving?

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Heh.
>
> Just got done with the application with Hagerty for the 300D.  Called my
> Allstate agent to see what would be necessary to shuffle things around with
> my umbrella policy only to discover that they could have written the policy
> with Hagerty.
>
> 
>
> I told them I would have done it with them to begin with, since I didn’t
> know they wrote multiple lines.  They said that Hagerty lets just about
> anyone write policies for them, so in a month or two we’ll change the agent
> of record to my guy so everything is under one roof.
>
> $308.00/year, full coverage, road service, etc.  Nice.
>
> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Excepts from Sierra Club spam

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Alt right is the group that spreads fake news - much like yourself.  Brown
shirt - look it up.

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 9:11 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I don't own a brown shirt.  I don't know what alt-rite is.  Apparently it
> is a slur manufactured by the CCF and the (J) party and the DNC (Debbie
> balbbermouth)  I have nothing to do with fake news or any news.
>
> You, sir, owned a brown car!  You must be suspect!
>
>> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>> December 6, 2016 at 8:05 PM
>> You must be joking. I obviously meant you and all the other fake news
>> brown shirts of the Alt Rite are pathetic.
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>>
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Re: [MBZ] FL MiniQ

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Curley sez:

>‎I kinda like 13-16 as that gives me the >option to pop into the BMWMOA 
>rally too!‎
‎
Buy Manfred's Air Head and go in style...‎

Rick 

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Re: [MBZ] Excepts from Sierra Club spam

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I don't own a brown shirt.  I don't know what alt-rite is.  Apparently 
it is a slur manufactured by the CCF and the (J) party and the DNC 
(Debbie balbbermouth)  I have nothing to do with fake news or any news.


You, sir, owned a brown car!  You must be suspect!

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
December 6, 2016 at 8:05 PM
You must be joking. I obviously meant you and all the other fake news
brown shirts of the Alt Rite are pathetic.

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <



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Re: [MBZ] Green insides

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

108 116 or 126?

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 8:46 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Kaleb will give you $499 for each piece!
>
>
> clay via Mercedes 
>> December 6, 2016 at 7:30 PM
>> I was at PnP today to find a part for Poos. There was a 280SE, Silber
>> Grun with green cloth interior. The trim is near perfect. Knee bolsters and
>> center console are lovely. The rear carpet has mold, but will buff out. The
>> seats are good but for the driver side bolster. Door cards perfect, with
>> roll up windows all around and manual seats.
>>
>> I brought the trunk carpets and front rugs home. Gave them a steam clean
>> and now do not know if I should pull the rest.
>>
>>
>> clay
>>
>> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
>> 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green
>> 1986 SDL - Polei
>>
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[MBZ] FL MiniQ

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I have the option of rescheduling the commitment I have for Jan 14-15.  
That makes any of the first 3 weekends in Jan possible.  I believe it is 
mostly the SC contingent who needed a weekend and a holiday weekend.  
Let me know what works for y'all.  MG and DP appear to be flexible with 
dates.


Let me know what works for y'all.

I kinda like 13-16 as that gives me the option to pop into the BMWMOA 
rally too!




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Re: [MBZ] Excepts from Sierra Club spam

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

You must be joking.  I obviously meant you and all the other fake news
brown shirts of the Alt Rite are pathetic.

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Against all the German buttercups they might do okay...
> -Curt
>
>   From: Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
>  Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 3:52 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Excepts from Sierra Club spam
>
>
>
> > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> > December 6, 2016 at 2:33 PM
> > Pathetic.
> You are so right Andrew.  All these whiny little buttercups (students,
> AFSCME, faculty) at college campuses ARE pathetic!
>
> If you inserted the current population (of buttercups) of the US into
> 1941, we'd lose, probably by 1942.
>
> Suck it up, Buttercup!
>
> Manup, Merka!
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Re: [MBZ] Green insides

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Kaleb will give you $499 for each piece!



clay via Mercedes 
December 6, 2016 at 7:30 PM
I was at PnP today to find a part for Poos. There was a 280SE, Silber 
Grun with green cloth interior. The trim is near perfect. Knee 
bolsters and center console are lovely. The rear carpet has mold, but 
will buff out. The seats are good but for the driver side bolster. 
Door cards perfect, with roll up windows all around and manual seats.


I brought the trunk carpets and front rugs home. Gave them a steam 
clean and now do not know if I should pull the rest.



clay

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei


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[MBZ] Green insides

[clay via Mercedes]

I was at PnP today to find a part for Poos.  There was a 280SE, Silber Grun 
with green cloth interior.  The trim is near perfect.  Knee bolsters and center 
console are lovely.  The rear carpet has mold, but will buff out.   The seats 
are good but for the driver side bolster.  Door cards perfect, with roll up 
windows all around and manual seats.

I brought the trunk carpets and front rugs home.  Gave them a steam clean and 
now do not know if I should pull the rest.  


clay 

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei

retired models-
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








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Re: [MBZ] OT - more tools

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

That Atlas lathe looks like mine.  I don't remember seeing any 
nameplate.  I have not used it in 30 years.



Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
December 6, 2016 at 7:10 PM
Check these out:

Walker-Turner combination sander I restored.

Before:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0j6clr4el7rkz0z/100_0861.jpg?dl=0

After:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1ugdnkhen4tglmw/100_0893.jpg?dl=0

Nice scroll saw, forgot the maker:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/nv0ji0mgn081ha5/100_0854.jpg?dl=0

Atlas 36” wood lathe:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/58jjv7w3o32rduk/100_0838.jpg?dl=0

Obligatory car content:

Our Beetle and Vauxhall wagon, circa 1963-4:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zxglk2mdbzan38d/Vaux%20Beetle.jpg?dl=0



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Re: [MBZ] OT - more tools

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Check these out:

Walker-Turner combination sander I restored.

Before:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0j6clr4el7rkz0z/100_0861.jpg?dl=0

After:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1ugdnkhen4tglmw/100_0893.jpg?dl=0

Nice scroll saw, forgot the maker:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/nv0ji0mgn081ha5/100_0854.jpg?dl=0

Atlas 36” wood lathe:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/58jjv7w3o32rduk/100_0838.jpg?dl=0

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Our Beetle and Vauxhall wagon, circa 1963-4:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zxglk2mdbzan38d/Vaux%20Beetle.jpg?dl=0




> On Dec 6, 2016, at 7:59 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Oliver 16" table saw is what I want.  Beaver (Canuck) tools are good too.
> 
>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> December 6, 2016 at 6:30 PM
>> The best tools are old ones like this.
>> 
>> I trolled Craigslist for months when I moved back to Indiana to set up my 
>> wood shop with stuff like this.
>> 
>> I love it.
>> 
>> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] OT - more tools

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Oliver 16" table saw is what I want.  Beaver (Canuck) tools are good too.


Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
December 6, 2016 at 6:30 PM
The best tools are old ones like this.

I trolled Craigslist for months when I moved back to Indiana to set up 
my wood shop with stuff like this.


I love it.

Dan



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Re: [MBZ] OT - more tools

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Nice!  I'd like to see the side view.   I had a monkey ward table saw 
driven by a universal motor at 8000 RPM and geared down with a cog 
belt.  It screamed like a banshee, but had 2 aluminum wings that made a 
fairly large table.  It was pretty tight and was a good tool.  It was 
made by some east coast company i never heard of, but apparently they 
have a cult following.   I still have the tilt arbor from it.  I need to 
find that cult group to sell it for repair parts.


Your machine sounds like a multi-tool designed to compete with the 
ShopSmiths and such of the day.



OK Don via Mercedes 
December 6, 2016 at 6:12 PM
I scored a new (to me) drill press Friday. I needed a drill press with a
larger throat to engine turn the floor boards for the Tailwind W10 we're
building. The 10" drill press just was not big enough, though it had 
worked

fine for the last 15 years. I found this strange one in CL and got it for
2/3rds the asking price. It works great. I've never seen one like this
before, and don't find any info on the web about it.
It is a combo drill press and router. The head has a 1/2" chuck on one end
and a router chuck on the other. You rotate the head 180° to change from
one to the other. The thing seems gear driven. There is a continuous speed
control, with the router speeds 9X the drill press speeds (or there 
about).


Picture of the front panel when the list Mom approves it.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - more tools

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

The best tools are old ones like this.

I trolled Craigslist for months when I moved back to Indiana to set up my wood 
shop with stuff like this.

I love it.

Dan


> On Dec 6, 2016, at 7:12 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> I scored a new (to me) drill press Friday. I needed a drill press with a
> larger throat to engine turn the floor boards for the Tailwind W10 we're
> building. The 10" drill press just was not big enough, though it had worked
> fine for the last 15 years. I found this strange one in CL and got it for
> 2/3rds the asking price. It works great. I've never seen one like this
> before, and don't find any info on the web about it.
> It is a combo drill press and router. The head has a 1/2" chuck on one end
> and a router chuck on the other. You rotate the head 180° to change from
> one to the other. The thing seems gear driven. There is a continuous speed
> control, with the router speeds 9X the drill press speeds (or there about).
> 
> Picture of the front panel when the list Mom approves it.
> 
> -- 
> OK Don
> 
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> 
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> for themselves."
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Re: [MBZ] This is interesting

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Precisely.  Hydrogen is not an energy source (unless you live on the sun).
Hydrogen is an energy storage medium (and a troublesome one at that).
Something else is the source.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Peter Frederick via Mercedes
> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 12:16 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Peter Frederick 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] This is interesting
> 
> Commerical quantities of hydrogen usually come from natural gas these
days.
> Might eventually be produced by solar powered hydrolysis, but not
currently.
> 
> I always fall down laughing when people talk about "ecological"
> electric or hydrogen powered cars.  Electricity comes from magic, right?
Haha,
> they both produce MORE carbon than burning fossil fuel in the engine, what
> with conversion loses and all.
> 
> Peter
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Re: [MBZ] DeWalt Recip adventure

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

yep, and enough of em can get you out of a puddle.  Riceburner preferred 
for this use.



Max Dillon via Mercedes 
December 6, 2016 at 3:32 PM
Next time, grab the trunk liner carpet or the foot well carpet from a 
nearby donor car, lay on that instead of the gravel. Mucho mo better 
than a gravel back rub.




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[MBZ] FL MiniQ BMWMOA rally

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Hmmm.

BMW motorsickle rally not far from Hawthorne/Gainesville FL the weekend 
of Jan 14.


http://www.bmwmoa.org/events/EventDetails.aspx?id=856821

Could be fun to go there before/after the MiniQ.

Any of you SE listers interested in BMWs too?  (I only like the 2 wheel 
variety without electronics)


The 4 wheel variety are like high cost, high maintenance women.

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[MBZ] OT - Insurance

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Heh.

Just got done with the application with Hagerty for the 300D.  Called my 
Allstate agent to see what would be necessary to shuffle things around with my 
umbrella policy only to discover that they could have written the policy with 
Hagerty.



I told them I would have done it with them to begin with, since I didn’t know 
they wrote multiple lines.  They said that Hagerty lets just about anyone write 
policies for them, so in a month or two we’ll change the agent of record to my 
guy so everything is under one roof.

$308.00/year, full coverage, road service, etc.  Nice.

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] DeWalt Recip adventure

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Next time, grab the trunk liner carpet or the foot well carpet from a nearby 
donor car, lay on that instead of the gravel.  Mucho mo better than a gravel 
back rub.
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Re: [MBZ] Excepts from Sierra Club spam

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Against all the German buttercups they might do okay...
-Curt

  From: Curley McLain via Mercedes 
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> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> December 6, 2016 at 2:33 PM
> Pathetic.
You are so right Andrew.  All these whiny little buttercups (students, 
AFSCME, faculty) at college campuses ARE pathetic!

If you inserted the current population (of buttercups) of the US into 
1941, we'd lose, probably by 1942.

Suck it up, Buttercup!

Manup, Merka!

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Re: [MBZ] Excepts from Sierra Club spam

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
December 6, 2016 at 2:33 PM
Pathetic.
You are so right Andrew.  All these whiny little buttercups (students, 
AFSCME, faculty) at college campuses ARE pathetic!


If you inserted the current population (of buttercups) of the US into 
1941, we'd lose, probably by 1942.


Suck it up, Buttercup!

Manup, Merka!

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Re: [MBZ] Excepts from Sierra Club spam

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Pathetic.

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> > On December 6, 2016 at 2:41 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
> >  wrote:
> >
> >
> > Suck it up and quit whining
>
> Kaleb just committed a Hate Crime (no, really, that's what they say at the
> University of Wisconsin at Madtown).
>
> http://reason.com/blog/2016/11/23/students-reaction-to-trump-win-suck-it-u
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Re: [MBZ] Excepts from Sierra Club spam

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On December 6, 2016 at 2:41 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Suck it up and quit whining

Kaleb just committed a Hate Crime (no, really, that's what they say at the
University of Wisconsin at Madtown).

http://reason.com/blog/2016/11/23/students-reaction-to-trump-win-suck-it-u

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Re: [MBZ] CCF marches on...

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Death threats from Clinton Backers!  Who don't even own guns!!  "We will
bore you to death with our speechifying".  ;)

I guess some fake news is actually Good News.

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 1:56 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> ...plying their specialty, stealing elections through intimidation, death
> squads threats and other corruption.
>
> Throughout the year, The Horn News reported on multiple instances of vote
> swapping, conspiracies to commit electioneering, pictures of equipment
> tampering, reports of dead voters, engineered debates, DNC manipulation,
> widespread voter fraud, illegal coordination and sabotage, altered
> primaries, unethical media influence, and a flat out rigged Democratic
> primary that was so blatant, one Stanford research paper suggested that the
> odds that Clinton did NOT commit widespread fraud to be 1 in 77 billion.
>
> And she’s not done yet.
>
> Even after the stunning rejecting of the Clinton crime family by the
> American people at the polling booth, Hillary’s team has shifted their
> tactics – and are frantically working directly with the rogue Electoral
> College voters that call themselves the “Hamilton Electors” to overturn the
> results.
>
>
> “Advocates of the long-shot bid to turn the Electoral College against
> Donald Trump have been in contact with close allies of Hillary Clinton,
> according to multiple sources familiar with the discussions,” POLITICO
> reported Monday.
>
> Their plan?
>
> Recruit “Never Trump” Republican electoral voters to choose Ohio Gov. John
> Kasich over Trump, denying him the neccessary majority needed to be
> elected, and instead move the issue to the House of Representatives to
> decide the next president of the United States — where Clinton has greater
> widespread support among establishment politicians.
>
> “All 538 members of the Electoral College will meet on Dec. 19 in their
> respective state capitals to cast the formal vote for president. Trump won
> the popular vote in states that constitute 306 electors — easily above the
> 270-vote threshold he needs to become president if all Republican electors
> support him,” according to POLITICO. “That’s why anti-Trump electors are
> working to persuade at least 37 Republican electors to ditch Trump, the
> minimum they’d need to prevent his election, and join them in support of a
> compromise candidate, which could send the final decision to the House of
> Representatives. Clinton won the popular vote in states that include a
> total of 232 electors.”
>
> And with thirteen days to go, the effort is gaining steam. At least one
> Republican member of the Electoral College said Monday he’s on board.
>
> Dallas paramedic Chris Suprun previously indicated he would support Trump,
> but according to The Associated Press he now says he will refuse to elect
> Trump.
>
> “I’m expecting backlash, but that has been par for the course this
> campaign. People are unhappy. They’re angry. But I’m angry, too,” said
> Suprun, who said that prior to changing his mind he had received hundreds
> of emails, letters and phone calls urging him not to support Trump.
>
> Other electors are reporting receiving death threats by Clinton backers
> against them and their families.
>
> In the face of such pressure, another Texas Republican elector, Art
> Sisneros, resigned last week rather than vote for Trump. Suprun said he was
> not resigning but also won’t be voting for Hillary Clinton.
>
> “I am not sure of who I will vote for, but would have to strongly consider
> someone like (Ohio Gov. John) Kasich who has both executive and legislative
> experience bringing people together,” he said.
>
> Texas law doesn’t mandate that electors vote according to the results of
> the state’s presidential election, which Trump won by nine percentage
> points over Hillary Clinton. Suprun and the GOP’s other electors signed
> pledges at the state Republican convention in Dallas this summer promising
> to vote for their party’s nominee, but those aren’t legally binding.
>
> The Horn News and the Associated Press contributed to this article
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Re: [MBZ] Excepts from Sierra Club spam

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Suck it up and quit whining

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 6, 2016, at 1:27 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Follow the money - oil money is big money. They own this State and it's
> government. Oil can do no wrong, everyone else just needs to suck it up nd
> stop whining.
> There are a lot of pilots employed "flying the pipelines" looking for
> leaks. They usually find them. Then crews are sent to repair the pipe. Not
> cheap. I hear "pipeline" as a call sign over the air traffic control
> frequencies all the time - there a re a LOT of hours flown looking for the
> pipeline leaks. they wouldn't fly those hours if they weren't finding leaks.
> Sure the ocean eats oil, but the ground water isn't as efficient nor as big
> and full of hungry oil eaters. Having your ground water contaminated would
> be devastating.
> there doesn't seem to be a lot of oil contaminated ground water in OK, and
> there are a lot of pipelines running through this State. However, I don't
> know anything about aquifers, geology, etc. It might be different elsewhere.
> 
> On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 9:31 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Curley wrote:
>>> The oceans ... ate up the gulf oil spill in a few weeks...
>> 
>> You are right there on the gulf coast so... you know this stuff.  Thanks.
>> It seems corporations have lost the concepts that they need customers?
>> Don't corporations need customers to make the corporation work?  If
>> enough customers get irked it would seem that the corporation should
>> be susceptible to loss if things go too far?  The way this thing is
>> happening, it seems like we might be similar to a 3rd world country
>> rather than world leader?  okiebenz being in the heart of historic oil
>> production and pipeline terminals even for this product... what sez
>> OKDon or Kaleb?
>> Thanks.
>> mao
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> OK Don
> 
> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> 
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
> 
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> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] Excepts from Sierra Club spam

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Follow the money - oil money is big money. They own this State and it's
government. Oil can do no wrong, everyone else just needs to suck it up nd
stop whining.
There are a lot of pilots employed "flying the pipelines" looking for
leaks. They usually find them. Then crews are sent to repair the pipe. Not
cheap. I hear "pipeline" as a call sign over the air traffic control
frequencies all the time - there a re a LOT of hours flown looking for the
pipeline leaks. they wouldn't fly those hours if they weren't finding leaks.
Sure the ocean eats oil, but the ground water isn't as efficient nor as big
and full of hungry oil eaters. Having your ground water contaminated would
be devastating.
there doesn't seem to be a lot of oil contaminated ground water in OK, and
there are a lot of pipelines running through this State. However, I don't
know anything about aquifers, geology, etc. It might be different elsewhere.

On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 9:31 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Curley wrote:
> > The oceans ... ate up the gulf oil spill in a few weeks...
>
> You are right there on the gulf coast so... you know this stuff.  Thanks.
> It seems corporations have lost the concepts that they need customers?
>  Don't corporations need customers to make the corporation work?  If
> enough customers get irked it would seem that the corporation should
> be susceptible to loss if things go too far?  The way this thing is
> happening, it seems like we might be similar to a 3rd world country
> rather than world leader?  okiebenz being in the heart of historic oil
> production and pipeline terminals even for this product... what sez
> OKDon or Kaleb?
> Thanks.
> mao
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for themselves."

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2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
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[MBZ] CCF marches on...

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

...plying their specialty, stealing elections through intimidation, 
death squads threats and other corruption.


Throughout the year, The Horn News reported on multiple instances of 
vote swapping, conspiracies to commit electioneering, pictures of 
equipment tampering, reports of dead voters, engineered debates, DNC 
manipulation, widespread voter fraud, illegal coordination and sabotage, 
altered primaries, unethical media influence, and a flat out rigged 
Democratic primary that was so blatant, one Stanford research paper 
suggested that the odds that Clinton did NOT commit widespread fraud to 
be 1 in 77 billion.


And she’s not done yet.

Even after the stunning rejecting of the Clinton crime family by the 
American people at the polling booth, Hillary’s team has shifted their 
tactics – and are frantically working directly with the rogue Electoral 
College voters that call themselves the “Hamilton Electors” to overturn 
the results.



“Advocates of the long-shot bid to turn the Electoral College against 
Donald Trump have been in contact with close allies of Hillary Clinton, 
according to multiple sources familiar with the discussions,” POLITICO 
reported Monday.


Their plan?

Recruit “Never Trump” Republican electoral voters to choose Ohio Gov. 
John Kasich over Trump, denying him the neccessary majority needed to be 
elected, and instead move the issue to the House of Representatives to 
decide the next president of the United States — where Clinton has 
greater widespread support among establishment politicians.


“All 538 members of the Electoral College will meet on Dec. 19 in their 
respective state capitals to cast the formal vote for president. Trump 
won the popular vote in states that constitute 306 electors — easily 
above the 270-vote threshold he needs to become president if all 
Republican electors support him,” according to POLITICO. “That’s why 
anti-Trump electors are working to persuade at least 37 Republican 
electors to ditch Trump, the minimum they’d need to prevent his 
election, and join them in support of a compromise candidate, which 
could send the final decision to the House of Representatives. Clinton 
won the popular vote in states that include a total of 232 electors.”


And with thirteen days to go, the effort is gaining steam. At least one 
Republican member of the Electoral College said Monday he’s on board.


Dallas paramedic Chris Suprun previously indicated he would support 
Trump, but according to The Associated Press he now says he will refuse 
to elect Trump.


“I’m expecting backlash, but that has been par for the course this 
campaign. People are unhappy. They’re angry. But I’m angry, too,” said 
Suprun, who said that prior to changing his mind he had received 
hundreds of emails, letters and phone calls urging him not to support Trump.


Other electors are reporting receiving death threats by Clinton backers 
against them and their families.


In the face of such pressure, another Texas Republican elector, Art 
Sisneros, resigned last week rather than vote for Trump. Suprun said he 
was not resigning but also won’t be voting for Hillary Clinton.


“I am not sure of who I will vote for, but would have to strongly 
consider someone like (Ohio Gov. John) Kasich who has both executive and 
legislative experience bringing people together,” he said.


Texas law doesn’t mandate that electors vote according to the results of 
the state’s presidential election, which Trump won by nine percentage 
points over Hillary Clinton. Suprun and the GOP’s other electors signed 
pledges at the state Republican convention in Dallas this summer 
promising to vote for their party’s nominee, but those aren’t legally 
binding.


The Horn News and the Associated Press contributed to this article

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Re: [MBZ] Not lookin good fer Andrew

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I'd guess that was an honest auction.  My experience is that stuff on an 
honest auction sells for much less than the "average" and way much less 
than the auctions that ring the bell for high prices.



I shoulda sniped a 1k bid.  Mighta got it.

Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
December 6, 2016 at 11:54 AM
Holy cow, it did sell for $910.

Mitch.

>http://www.ebay.com/itm/322346141392


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[MBZ] Joke du-jour

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Heard this in the radidio this morning!  It is illustrative of the brain 
power of the professional media (votes for (J)) people.


media pro: "were the officers previously recognized?"

Popo spokesman:  "One had previously received a lifesaving award."


Media pro:  "What was that for?"


popo spokeaman (incredulous)  "For saving a life!"


You can't make this stuff up!

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Re: [MBZ] Not lookin good fer Andrew

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Great deal.

On Dec 6, 2016 12:54 PM, "Mitch Haley via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Holy cow, it did sell for $910.
>
> Mitch.
>
> > On December 6, 2016 at 11:57 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
>  >http://www.ebay.com/itm/322346141392
>
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Re: [MBZ] Not lookin good fer Andrew

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Holy cow, it did sell for $910.

Mitch. 

> On December 6, 2016 at 11:57 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
>  wrote:
 >http://www.ebay.com/itm/322346141392

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[MBZ] W126 Gen II Rear Sway Bar

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

If anyone is interested, we’re trying to set up another group buy on Benzworld 
for an oversize (19mm) rear sway bar that fits Gen II W126 chassis cars.  
Heliwig made these for us and are willing to make another run with a minimum of 
15 pieces.  Price for one shipped anywhere in the CONUS will be around $230.

The folks that got the first run loved them and were very pleased.  You can 
read the threads on it here:

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w126-s-se-sec-sel-sd/2509169-custom-rear-sway-bar-part-deux.html#post13339473
 


Let me know if you’re interested.

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] DeWalt Recip adventure

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

You use Handy Saw blades in a Sawzall?
HB24T is the 24 tooth blade for the Handy Saw handsaw. 
My dad has a saw that looks just like a Handy Saw, I wonder what brand it is. 
Mitch. 

http://allwaytools.com/product-category/saws/


> On December 6, 2016 at 12:08 PM Fred Moir via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I use Allway Tools "Handy Saw Blades" HB24T. Hacksaw blades for recip. saws.
>

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Re: [MBZ] DeWalt Recip adventure

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Saw blades.

I use Allway Tools "Handy Saw Blades" HB24T. Hacksaw blades for recip. saws.

I have tried to use the other major suppliers and they do not last.

I have no idea is Allway is still in biz.


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



From: Mercedes  on behalf of Curley McLain via 
Mercedes 
Sent: 06 December 2016 08:45
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Curley McLain
Subject: Re: [MBZ] DeWalt Recip adventure

Buy only good blades.  Lenox,  then milwaukee or dewalt.

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Re: [MBZ] Not lookin good fer Andrew

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I've had a change of heart. Color is Colorado Beige which is strangely
compelling.

On Dec 5, 2016 10:19 PM, "Max Dillon via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> "Need to sell.  This wagon always starts even in cold weather, and has had
> a bit of wok done, needs alignment work and the engine mount redone.
>  Great project, low reserve!"
>
> Ad says 130k miles.
>
> Jaime needs to snatch this up and give it some loving...
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
>
> On December 5, 2016 10:10:16 PM EST, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >Andrew wrote:
> >> Ugly as sin.  Where's the narrative?
> >
> >Clik details button to get:
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Re: [MBZ] Excepts from Sierra Club spam

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Having done work with a number of the transmission line companies, I find it 
odd that everyone has their shorts in a knot over this.  While I have concerns 
about the aging infrastructure having dealt with it directly, the transmission 
of oil, gas and other such things via pipeline is one of the cheapest, easiest 
and safest means of moving such products across the country.

I do take exceptions to the claims of jobs that these projects generate, as 
they’re not significant once the construction is complete.  I did a lot of work 
with Panhandle Eastern, and they had a fair small contingent of people who 
maintained and monitored the systems.

Dan



> On Dec 6, 2016, at 10:41 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> If I were warren, I'd call up soreass and tell him i'd give 'im a few mil to 
> send protesters to stop any pipeline.
> 
> Interesting tidbit: every pipeline is being protested.
> 
> I suspect this type of activity will not go well with the new sher'f
> 
>> Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>> December 6, 2016 at 9:29 AM
>> So, are we starting to see a pattern here?  Do you derive any meaning from 
>> pattern recognition?  Draw any conclusions from it?
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Excepts from Sierra Club spam

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

So, you think that might be just a coincidence?  I'm sure it is.

--FT


On 12/6/16 10:41 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
If I were warren, I'd call up soreass and tell him i'd give 'im a few 
mil to send protesters to stop any pipeline.


Interesting tidbit: every pipeline is being protested.

I suspect this type of activity will not go well with the new sher'f


Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
December 6, 2016 at 9:29 AM
So, are we starting to see a pattern here?  Do you derive any meaning 
from pattern recognition?  Draw any conclusions from it?


--FT




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Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] Parts Order

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Correction - the total was $126.00.

Still a heck of a deal.

Dan


> On Dec 6, 2016, at 10:36 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I know Kaleb does comparison shopping, but my most recent order from FCP Euro 
> was hands down the least expensive of anyone I checked.  I bought:
> 
> 2 - Bilstein shocks
> 2 - Mann fuel filters (WK716)
> 4 - Instrument panel lamps (2W)
> 
> Total: $115.98 shipped.
> 
> Their prices on the Bilsteins blew everyone else away.  I also discovered 
> that if you put stuff in your cart and then sit on it for a day, they’ll 
> offer you a 5% discount to place the order. Nice.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Excepts from Sierra Club spam

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If I were warren, I'd call up soreass and tell him i'd give 'im a few 
mil to send protesters to stop any pipeline.


Interesting tidbit: every pipeline is being protested.

I suspect this type of activity will not go well with the new sher'f


Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
December 6, 2016 at 9:29 AM
So, are we starting to see a pattern here?  Do you derive any meaning 
from pattern recognition?  Draw any conclusions from it?


--FT




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[MBZ] Parts Order

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I know Kaleb does comparison shopping, but my most recent order from FCP Euro 
was hands down the least expensive of anyone I checked.  I bought:

2 - Bilstein shocks
2 - Mann fuel filters (WK716)
4 - Instrument panel lamps (2W)

Total: $115.98 shipped.

Their prices on the Bilsteins blew everyone else away.  I also discovered that 
if you put stuff in your cart and then sit on it for a day, they’ll offer you a 
5% discount to place the order. Nice.

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Excepts from Sierra Club spam

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

So, are we starting to see a pattern here?  Do you derive any meaning 
from pattern recognition?  Draw any conclusions from it?


--FT


On 12/6/16 8:56 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

Floyd sez:


‎Check out who owns the railroad that >transports all this nasty stuff.

Hmm. Union Tank Car... owned by Berkshire Hathaway. Burlington Northern 
owned by... Berkshire Hathaway. ‎Santa Fe... owned by... Berkshire Hathaway.

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never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] DeWalt Recip adventure

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Yeah those HF things are like recycled toaster ovens

--FT


On 12/6/16 8:45 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

Buy only good blades.  Lenox,  then milwaukee or dewalt.


clay via Mercedes 
December 5, 2016 at 11:29 PM
Last week I scored a used Dewalt saw so that I could deprive a PnP 
car of its tin bits. Polei had a run in with what must have been a 
parking space barrier. The underside supports took the brunt of the 
impact, and over the past few years these frame rails have rusted out 
the bottom and into the sides. I think there is about a foot of metal 
that wants replacement.


I had rented a saw a few months ago to get myself a bit of rear 
fender panel, and did very well until I broke the only blade I had on 
hand. In the meanwhile, the crop of W126 examples had dried up. In 
the past few weeks more S cars showed up, so I need to go hunting. 
The battery that came with my saw is a bit low on electrons, and it 
took two visits to the yard to get one frame support. I am less than 
impressed with a few of the blades that I have dulled in the process, 
and squirming around in a gravel filled puddle, while sawing away, 
makes for an uncomfortable drive home.


I have a cheap chinese imitation battery on the way so that next 
visit I will be able to complete my hunt and move on to another 
product I might need.



clay



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Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] 722.6xx Transmission Filter

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

It is one step above F.O.R.D.  VOR can be at home, or in a shop.


Craig via Mercedes 
December 5, 2016 at 10:29 PM
On Mon, 5 Dec 2016 23:13:04 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes

VOR? Visual Omni Range?


Craig


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Re: [MBZ] DeWalt Recip adventure

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Buy only good blades.  Lenox,  then milwaukee or dewalt.


clay via Mercedes 
December 5, 2016 at 11:29 PM
Last week I scored a used Dewalt saw so that I could deprive a PnP car 
of its tin bits. Polei had a run in with what must have been a parking 
space barrier. The underside supports took the brunt of the impact, 
and over the past few years these frame rails have rusted out the 
bottom and into the sides. I think there is about a foot of metal that 
wants replacement.


I had rented a saw a few months ago to get myself a bit of rear fender 
panel, and did very well until I broke the only blade I had on hand. 
In the meanwhile, the crop of W126 examples had dried up. In the past 
few weeks more S cars showed up, so I need to go hunting. The battery 
that came with my saw is a bit low on electrons, and it took two 
visits to the yard to get one frame support. I am less than impressed 
with a few of the blades that I have dulled in the process, and 
squirming around in a gravel filled puddle, while sawing away, makes 
for an uncomfortable drive home.


I have a cheap chinese imitation battery on the way so that next visit 
I will be able to complete my hunt and move on to another product I 
might need.



clay



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Re: [MBZ] OT - Insurance

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Put a lock on the zipper.


clay via Mercedes 
December 5, 2016 at 11:00 PM
They want a secured location, not just a place that keeps rain off. I 
have to have a locking door


clay



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Re: [MBZ] Excepts from Sierra Club spam

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Warren Buffet will haul yer coal or yer bakken crude.  He does not like 
mixed trains.  he loves unit trains.  He will haul corn when the coal is 
"off."



Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
December 6, 2016 at 5:32 AM
Check out who owns the railroad that transports all this nasty stuff.  
Discuss.


--FT


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Re: [MBZ] 722.6xx Transmission Filter

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

WFP  Waiting for parts


Craig via Mercedes 
December 5, 2016 at 11:00 PM
On Mon, 5 Dec 2016 23:40:15 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
  wrote:


Vehicle Off Road.


Oh! Now why didn't I think of that.

Actually it should be AWOP: Awaiting Parts




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Re: [MBZ] Excepts from Sierra Club spam

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

We ARE a turd world country...since 2008.  That is already changing.  We 
are becoming the leader of the world again.  Thar's a new Sherr'f in town!



Mountain Man via Mercedes 
December 5, 2016 at 9:31 PM

You are right there on the gulf coast so... you know this stuff. Thanks.
It seems corporations have lost the concepts that they need customers?
Don't corporations need customers to make the corporation work? If
enough customers get irked it would seem that the corporation should
be susceptible to loss if things go too far? The way this thing is
happening, it seems like we might be similar to a 3rd world country
rather than world leader? okiebenz being in the heart of historic oil
production and pipeline terminals even for this product... what sez
OKDon or Kaleb?
Thanks.
mao



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Re: [MBZ] Excepts from Sierra Club spam

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Floyd sez:

>‎Check out who owns the railroad that >transports all this nasty stuff. 

Hmm. Union Tank Car... owned by Berkshire Hathaway. Burlington Northern 
owned by... Berkshire Hathaway. ‎Santa Fe... owned by... Berkshire Hathaway. 

Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] 722.6xx Transmission Filter

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> On December 6, 2016 at 12:00 AM Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> On Mon, 5 Dec 2016 23:40:15 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> > Vehicle Off Road.
> 
> Oh! Now why didn't I think of that.
> 
> Actually it should be AWOP: Awaiting Parts


In 1980s Honda-speak (probably today too) it was 
CPO = Critical Parts Order

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Fl MiniQ

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Yellowknife.  Summer.  Clouds of blackflies so thick you couldn’t see.  Gosh 
awful nasty things that get in your mouth, ears, everywhere.

Makes one appreciate winter.

Dan

> On Dec 5, 2016, at 9:58 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
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> 
> Reminds me of black flies in Canada.  One year it was very cold all summer, 
> and we had them til October.
> 
> Mosquitos are a pest -- screens turn black at night when they try to get at 
> out, for instance -- but I'm allergic to black flies and get welts the size 
> of golf balls when they bite.
> 
> The blood tricking out of the bite (they slice off a bit of skin and lick it 
> up rather than nicely sticking a straw in you) is very attractive, too!
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 722.6xx Transmission Filter

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It’s an acronym the dealers use for a car that’s in the shop waiting on a part. 
 If I need a part “VOR’ed”, it means the part has to be brought in from the 
depot overnight.

The dealers get dinged for VOR parts so they manage their inventory carefully.  
They get an “allowance” of sorts every month for the additional costs related 
to these parts that they’re not stocking, so if they exceed it their profit 
goes down and MBUSA starts scrutinizing their inventory practices to determine 
why they’re not inventorying parts.

The alternative is a “stock” order, which is a collection of parts that are 
ordered from the depots and shipped via surface on a regular basis.  Stock 
orders have no penalties like overnight orders do and even qualify for better 
discounts on the parts themselves as well as shipping costs.  My experience has 
been that items ordered as stock usually take 2-3 business days to arrive at 
the dealer.

So it’s incumbent on the dealers to know and manage their parts usage and 
inventory practices well to maximize profit.  Not only that, if they attempt to 
shift the burden of holding inventory to MBUSA by keeping minimal amounts on 
hand and VOR’ing a large number of parts on a regular basis, they’ll not only 
see reduced profits, they might even be penalized by MBUSA for it.

This is one way you can help to endear yourself (if that’s possible) to your 
local dealer.  When you order parts, tell them to put the parts on a stock 
order (not that they would VOR them without you asking for it anyway) so it 
saves them money, maximizes their profit, and shows you to be a considerate 
customer. That way when you really, really need something, they’re more likely 
to VOR it for you without a fuss.

Dan






> On Dec 6, 2016, at 12:00 AM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 5 Dec 2016 23:40:15 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> Vehicle Off Road.
> 
> Oh! Now why didn't I think of that.
> 
> Actually it should be AWOP: Awaiting Parts
> 
> 
> Craig
> 
> 
>>> On Dec 5, 2016, at 11:29 PM, Craig via Mercedes
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Mon, 5 Dec 2016 23:13:04 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 I called it a night, cleaned the garage up and put the cars away for
 the night.  Working from home tomorrow so it’s not an issue having
 the SL500 VOR until I can snag another quart of ATF from FLAPS later
 in the day.
>>> 
>>> VOR? Visual Omni Range?
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Insurance

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

those are all things that make a difference as well.  Consider that my main 
line insurer (Allstate) would probably fight me tooth and nail to pay out on a 
complete loss for a car that’s 34 years old. Hagerty insures it for $5,000, no 
questions asked.  For that matter, the agent asked me if I was sure that was 
the amount I wanted, not more?

I’m doing it today.

Dan

> On Dec 6, 2016, at 12:03 AM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> I save $250 a year in payment, dropped the deductible to pennies from $1500, 
> valuation quadrupled.
> 
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> 
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Re: [MBZ] Excepts from Sierra Club spam

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Check out who owns the railroad that transports all this nasty stuff.  
Discuss.


--FT


On 12/5/16 9:56 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote:

There are several things going here:

Pipelines are safer than moving that sludge in tanker cars -- there 
have been two very serious accidents already, one of which pretty much 
burned out a Canadian town.  Bakken crude is much to thick to ship 
unadulterated, so it's mixed with solvent to move it (mostly hexane I 
think, but that's really a guess).  This solvent is highly flammable.  
The crude itself is 'dirty' crude -- full of carcinogens and toxics, 
nasty stuff.  Better to put in in a pipeline than the crappy, leak if 
they fall over rail cars we have available.


The pipeline was designed and routed by a private company with the 
State providing eminent domain services, which is probably really a 
violation of the Constitution's ban on taking property without 
compensation, and no consideration was taken for anything but the 
shortest route to Illinois and the existing pipelines.


Western states have been violating Indian treaties for a long time, 
and this is just another example of commercial interests ignoring 
Indian Nation status, it's hardly a new problem, but is in fact just 
another in a long, long series of treaty violations -- any time there 
is money involved, the Native peoples get the short end of the stick.


Pipelines leak.  Always.  Usually underground.  Contamination of the 
groundwater or the Missouri River by this stuff would last for 
centuries if there was a significant leak into the water table, 
rendering the water source for the Reservation poisonous for decades.  
If this were to happen, I would guess the oil and pipeline companies 
would simply declare bankruptcy and walk away from the people they 
poisoned.  Not the first time, and there isn't much the Sioux could 
do, they don't have a police force to collect from said bankrupt 
companies.


Therefore there is a considerable conflict between safe shipping of 
Bakken crude and protection of everyone's right to clean air and 
water.  As usual, the money is all on the oil company side, and money 
"lubricates" the political system in the US.


There is absolutely no reason for the pipeline to go where it is 
except it's the straightest line from the Bakken fields to Illinois.  
Oil company could care crap for anything except saving a few bucks.  
This is the issue with the Keystone -- cost more to route it around 
the exposed water table in a protected wetlands, the oil company could 
give a crap if they make half the state lose their ground water for 
drinking or irrigation.  A little forethought instead of chasing 
pennies could have eliminated much of the problem, but you know, gotta 
get that oil going today, might have to defer some profit a couple 
years, such a bad thing.


Little people against corporate interests.  Unusual result, the normal 
thing is for police to disperse the protesters  and trample their rights.


We will see how this ends up.  Sadly, probably an oil pipeline through 
someone's sacred ground dribbling toxins into the water supply.


Peter

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