Re: [MBZ] OT Winter won't stop! Make it stop!

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 00:57:46 -0400 Max Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Last night and tonight, we are below freezing.  Normally we only get
> below freezing in December and January. 

Where's all that global warming when you need it? :-)


> The good news: maybe this will kill off the mosquitoes and knats for a
> bit.

Yes, that would be good ...


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT Winter won't stop! Make it stop!

[clay via Mercedes]

Needs to freeze the little puddles they breed in.  A good hard freeze, not just 
drop below freeze point.  Best to go around the yard with your used 710 fluid 
and dribble a little in each puddle.

clay



> On Mar 16, 2017, at 9:57 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Last night and tonight, we are below freezing.  Normally we only get below 
> freezing in December and January. 
> 
> The good news: maybe this will kill off the mosquitoes and knats for a bit.
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

The original broke in such a way that the crack extends into the round sleeve 
so far that it will continuously leak oil at a high rate.

Also I just queried the guy who serviced and set the injector pressures, and he 
set them at 115 bar, not 135 bar, so I've got to pull those and return to him 
for rework.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On March 16, 2017 9:32:57 PM EDT, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Why don't you just put on the original IP?  THe broken ear won't matter
>
>as long as you are careul to tighten down the remaining 2 carefully. 
>It 
>only hangs there..
>
>> Max Dillon via Mercedes 
>> March 16, 2017 at 4:58 PM
>> I took a long hard look in each pre-chamber, nothing amiss that I 
>> could see. After cleaning up #1 & #2, with all injectors out, I 
>> cranked the engine through a few revolutions to blast out any junk 
>> that might have fallen in.
>>
>> Easy / cheap to try swapping out the DVs, compared to procuring and 
>> swapping an injection pump.
>> Curley McLain 
>> March 16, 2017 at 9:05 AM
>> With the nozzle holder and heat shield out, you can visually inspect 
>> the prechambers, except the 6 holes in the tip.  With a small
>catheter 
>> cam, you should be able to see the holes in the end, you just have to
>
>> get around the ball in the prechamber.
>>
>> I think the next step (other than Kle'bs suggestion) is #3.
>>
>> Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>> March 16, 2017 at 7:53 AM
>> Status update
>>
>> Timing has been corrected, didn't help.
>>
>> Turbo boost restored to ~14 psi, and that helped to resolve a lot of
>> the problem. Smoke is gone, but the nailing persists.
>>
>> Correct glow plugs installed, didn't help.
>>
>> Injectors with new Monark nozzles installed tonight, and if anything
>> the problem is worse. :\
>>
>> I may need to find a new mechanic. The fellow who installed the
>> injectors FAILED to put heat shields under #1 and #2!!! What a
>> looser! When I found this I thought "Ahh HAH!! This is it!" but alas
>> I don't see the improvement I was expecting. Perhaps there is
>> excessive carbon build up in those two pre-chambers, and I've got to
>> burn that out?
>>
>> I can think of three more things to try:
>>
>> (1) Rebuild the delivery valves (DVs) again.
>>
>> (2) Swap all the DVs with a "known good" used set, from the original
>pump.
>>
>> (3) Replace the injection pump.
>>
>> I don't think compression is the issue, the car started just fine at
>> 28 deg F this a.m., and per normal it idles smoothly for a few
>seconds
>> while the glow plugs are hot, and then it starts to miss.
>>
>> -Max
>>
>>
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>> Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>> January 15, 2017 at 12:58 PM
>> Maybe a compression check?
>>
>> Maybe an egt monitor or Afr sensor in the tailpipe to get a sense of
>the
>> mix.
>>
>> Or just turn the boost up and see how it goes.
>>
>>
>> On Jan 15, 2017 10:10 AM, "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" 
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Dieselvolk,
>>
>> Here's the situation: My 124.193, with 365k miles, isn't running well
>at
>> all. Under anything more than gentle throttle, the engine pings and
>> smokes. Mileage is bad, around 22 mpg in town, about 25 on the
>highway. I
>> used to get about 26 in town, 28 on the highway. Starts fine, idles
>fine.
>> A diesel-purge treatment will clear it right up, and it will run just
>fine
>> (and get better mileage) for about a month, and then it declines back
>to
>> poor running. Italian tune-ups will also help a bit (especially with
>the
>> smoking).
>>
>> What changed? I installed an injection pump from a 3.5 liter engine.
>One
>> of the three hold-down tangs on the original IP broke (long story) so
>
>> I had
>> to replace it, and I had this 3.5 liter IP on the shelf.
>>
>> When I installed this "new" IP, I overhauled the delivery valves, and
>> adjusted the ALDA 1/2 turn richer. I have since moved the ALDA screw
>back
>> to the original position, I think, I need to check the records. I may
>have
>> only moved it back 1/4 turn.
>>
>> What else is wrong? I have the wrong glow plugs installed. When I
>> installed the "new" head a few years ago (with oblique injection) I 
>> swapped
>> in the relatively new glow plugs from the original head. Oblique
>injection
>> heads use a glow plug that is shorter.
>>
>> Last weekend I adjusted the timing (it was a couple degrees
>advanced), and
>> then went on a 900 mile highway trip for work. No change in
>performance.
>> I think that this bigger pump is over-fueling the engine, resulting
>in 
>> lots
>> of un-burned fuel and carbon build up.
>>
>> Options that I can think of:
>>
>> 1) Back off the ALDA screw a little more.
>>

[MBZ] Do I?

[clay via Mercedes]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fluid-Evacuator-Plus-2-3-Gallons-8-8-Liters-Mityvac-MV7201-w-Box-/332156173191?hash=item4d560cfb87:g:c1AAAOSwXYtYysjF

I have a good Topsider, but … you never know when you might want more than just 
one

I think I will pass, maybe somebody here needs it


clay 

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








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[MBZ] A Kaleb Kruiser

[clay via Mercedes]

https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/zip/6046880724.html

All he needs is to pop a Frieght liner engine in and this would be able to haul 
all manner of goodies back to Okie Akers.  Probably not a filth wheeler 
trailer, but something could bolt on with a hitch.  Living arrangements, travel 
to Auto Traitor sales calls, and someplace safe from Regina and the kids


clay 

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








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[MBZ] OT Winter won't stop! Make it stop!

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Last night and tonight, we are below freezing.  Normally we only get below 
freezing in December and January. 

The good news: maybe this will kill off the mosquitoes and knats for a bit.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] Who is Best?

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Fact-based decisions are best.  What are the costs for the MB part, and the 
other parts?  
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On March 16, 2017 9:35:46 PM EDT, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>I'd go MB for that.  A lot of the oe/oem aftermarket stuff is too soft.
>
>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> March 16, 2017 at 6:49 PM
>> I am looking at some drive train (soft) parts for the 300SEL. 
>> Understand that I want to minimize my investment, but not at the cost
>
>> of using a part that I know will crap out in a year (URO.)
>>
>> A drive shaft center support, for example:
>>
>> Febi/Bilstein
>>
>> Corteco
>>
>> Meyle
>>
>> Vaico (URO/APA?)
>>
>>
>> I’m guessing Corteco is probably the best quality short of an MB
>part.
>>
>> Dan
>
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Re: [MBZ] If there were ever a couple of Kleb cars....

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

At least you don't lack for Italian tuneups.  ;-)

-MMM-

On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 5:20 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Craig, she drives like that in the snow as well.  How she has escaped
> major accidents or damage is completely beyond my comprehension.
>
> When she drives the 350SDL I tell her that once she gets out on the main
> road (it’s up to operating temperature by then) she can “drive it like she
> stole it.”  She must have this week because my mileage in that car is way
> off.  I’ve not gotten to 400 miles on this tank and it’s down to 1/8 of a
> tank.  She drove it to work two days, the rest of that was me.
>
> I love her awful, but I don’t like to ride with her.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Mar 16, 2017, at 5:51 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > That is how you drive a 200D or 190Dc   WOT or off.  240D is close, but
> you DO need to back off throttle on a 240D!
> >
> >> Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
> >> March 16, 2017 at 2:44 PM
> >> Like a two stroke dirt bike.
> >>
> >> On
> >> or
> >> Off.
> >>
> >> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

The '78 240D Dwight sold me used to like an occasional quart of motor oil. I'd 
put in a quart of whatever was cheap. Quieted the engine for a couple thousand 
miles. Figured it might be all in my head but it didn't cost much.
Curt

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  On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 5:45 PM, rogerhga--- via 
Mercedes wrote:   Max, 
Poor a pint or quart of trans fluid in the tank and run it through. It will 
lube everything in the system. If that doesn't help, it may be time to do what 
I always recommend...see a mechanic. Or...get an older 617. I'm sure Dan could 
fix you up with one that would only take 2-3 months to get in good running 
order and all your spare time :-) 
Good luck and best wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 


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Re: [MBZ] Who is Best?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I'd go MB for that.  A lot of the oe/oem aftermarket stuff is too soft.


Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
March 16, 2017 at 6:49 PM
I am looking at some drive train (soft) parts for the 300SEL. 
Understand that I want to minimize my investment, but not at the cost 
of using a part that I know will crap out in a year (URO.)


A drive shaft center support, for example:

Febi/Bilstein

Corteco

Meyle

Vaico (URO/APA?)


I’m guessing Corteco is probably the best quality short of an MB part.

Dan


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Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Why don't you just put on the original IP?  THe broken ear won't matter 
as long as you are careul to tighten down the remaining 2 carefully.  It 
only hangs there..



Max Dillon via Mercedes 
March 16, 2017 at 4:58 PM
I took a long hard look in each pre-chamber, nothing amiss that I 
could see. After cleaning up #1 & #2, with all injectors out, I 
cranked the engine through a few revolutions to blast out any junk 
that might have fallen in.


Easy / cheap to try swapping out the DVs, compared to procuring and 
swapping an injection pump.

Curley McLain 
March 16, 2017 at 9:05 AM
With the nozzle holder and heat shield out, you can visually inspect 
the prechambers, except the 6 holes in the tip.  With a small catheter 
cam, you should be able to see the holes in the end, you just have to 
get around the ball in the prechamber.


I think the next step (other than Kle'bs suggestion) is #3.

Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
March 16, 2017 at 7:53 AM
Status update

Timing has been corrected, didn't help.

Turbo boost restored to ~14 psi, and that helped to resolve a lot of
the problem. Smoke is gone, but the nailing persists.

Correct glow plugs installed, didn't help.

Injectors with new Monark nozzles installed tonight, and if anything
the problem is worse. :\

I may need to find a new mechanic. The fellow who installed the
injectors FAILED to put heat shields under #1 and #2!!! What a
looser! When I found this I thought "Ahh HAH!! This is it!" but alas
I don't see the improvement I was expecting. Perhaps there is
excessive carbon build up in those two pre-chambers, and I've got to
burn that out?

I can think of three more things to try:

(1) Rebuild the delivery valves (DVs) again.

(2) Swap all the DVs with a "known good" used set, from the original pump.

(3) Replace the injection pump.

I don't think compression is the issue, the car started just fine at
28 deg F this a.m., and per normal it idles smoothly for a few seconds
while the glow plugs are hot, and then it starts to miss.

-Max



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Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
January 15, 2017 at 12:58 PM
Maybe a compression check?

Maybe an egt monitor or Afr sensor in the tailpipe to get a sense of the
mix.

Or just turn the boost up and see how it goes.


On Jan 15, 2017 10:10 AM, "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" 


wrote:

Dieselvolk,

Here's the situation: My 124.193, with 365k miles, isn't running well at
all. Under anything more than gentle throttle, the engine pings and
smokes. Mileage is bad, around 22 mpg in town, about 25 on the highway. I
used to get about 26 in town, 28 on the highway. Starts fine, idles fine.
A diesel-purge treatment will clear it right up, and it will run just fine
(and get better mileage) for about a month, and then it declines back to
poor running. Italian tune-ups will also help a bit (especially with the
smoking).

What changed? I installed an injection pump from a 3.5 liter engine. One
of the three hold-down tangs on the original IP broke (long story) so 
I had

to replace it, and I had this 3.5 liter IP on the shelf.

When I installed this "new" IP, I overhauled the delivery valves, and
adjusted the ALDA 1/2 turn richer. I have since moved the ALDA screw back
to the original position, I think, I need to check the records. I may have
only moved it back 1/4 turn.

What else is wrong? I have the wrong glow plugs installed. When I
installed the "new" head a few years ago (with oblique injection) I 
swapped

in the relatively new glow plugs from the original head. Oblique injection
heads use a glow plug that is shorter.

Last weekend I adjusted the timing (it was a couple degrees advanced), and
then went on a 900 mile highway trip for work. No change in performance.
I think that this bigger pump is over-fueling the engine, resulting in 
lots

of un-burned fuel and carbon build up.

Options that I can think of:

1) Back off the ALDA screw a little more.
2) Install the correct glow plugs.
3) Check the turbo output, bump it back up if low.
4) Remove the 3.5 liter injection pump, put a 3.0 liter IP back in
(Wilton's old 300D engine has one)
5) Pull the engine and tranny, swap in engine / tranny from Wilton's 300D.
This is attractive because my engine has a nagging oil leak that I haven't
been able to solve, plus that engine / tranny are much younger, only 143k
miles. The downside is that engine still has the original #14 head, but
that is minor (I think the head is sound).

-
Max
Charleston SC
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[MBZ] The sun came out...

[clay via Mercedes]

today.  After many weeks of rain.  And more rain is on the way, enough to make 
the land slide from hills and stuff.  Maybe some day in the far future the sun 
might return.

With the sun out, I got stupid.  First I took apart the spare turbo I picked up 
at PnP.  Not all the way down, just a little apart.  Then I cleaned it of much 
rust and carbon.  Which lead to putting it in the oven at 300f for two hours to 
dry it all out.  The turbine spins very well.  I do not know what this means.

The Gen I headlights were a mess.  Passenger side was missing a door and both 
sides had cracked fog lights.  Once I figured out how to remove the lower trim 
I removed the old lamps and installed a set of Gen II headlights.  I had to do 
this twice, because I forgot to remove the lower angle mounts from the 
originals.

Then I took the Gen I set apart.  I intend to clean the buckets and polish the 
trim.  Maybe I sell it on FleaBay.  No lamps, just the buckets.  Buyer has to 
provide his own doors.

The exhaust donuts out back were shot.  I got a set of fresh rubber rings.  One 
ring went on fine.  The other (outer) decided to fail instead of going on.  I 
used a tire iron to try to hook it on the hook, but it decided to split.  So, I 
pulled a length of rebar wire to make a temporary metal ring until I can get 
FLAPS to replace the busted one.

After washing my hands, I got in the car and went to work getting the not 
working Pioneer radio out of the dash.  I had to fake a set of radio keys.  The 
cluster pull tool was able to pull the radio out.  That was good.  Even better 
was that the wires were labeled, so when I find an old Becker of that era 
(early 80’s) I can make it work.


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Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Rather than dumping ATF into the fuel, which is my mind has always been a 
somewhat questionable practice, do a couple of rounds of Diesel Purge at the 
pump then hit it with a couple of bottles of Red Line Diesel Fuel Catalyst.  
You can find it at Pep Boys among other FLAPS.

If that doesn’t cure it you’ve got bigger problems.

-D


> On Mar 16, 2017, at 8:56 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Roger, that's also a cheap and easy thing to try.
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
> 
> On March 16, 2017 8:45:23 PM EDT, rogerhga--- via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>> Max, 
>> Poor a pint or quart of trans fluid in the tank and run it through. It
>> will lube everything in the system. If that doesn't help, it may be
>> time to do what I always recommend...see a mechanic. Or...get an older
>> 617. I'm sure Dan could fix you up with one that would only take 2-3
>> months to get in good running order and all your spare time :-) 
>> Good luck and best wishes, 
>> Roger 
>> Roger Hale 
>> Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
>> Monroe, Ga. 
>> 770-267-0850 
>> www.dinnerwareclassics.com 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Thanks Roger, that's also a cheap and easy thing to try.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On March 16, 2017 8:45:23 PM EDT, rogerhga--- via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Max, 
>Poor a pint or quart of trans fluid in the tank and run it through. It
>will lube everything in the system. If that doesn't help, it may be
>time to do what I always recommend...see a mechanic. Or...get an older
>617. I'm sure Dan could fix you up with one that would only take 2-3
>months to get in good running order and all your spare time :-) 
>Good luck and best wishes, 
>Roger 
>Roger Hale 
>Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
>Monroe, Ga. 
>770-267-0850 
>www.dinnerwareclassics.com 
>
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Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

[rogerhga--- via Mercedes]

Max, 
Poor a pint or quart of trans fluid in the tank and run it through. It will 
lube everything in the system. If that doesn't help, it may be time to do what 
I always recommend...see a mechanic. Or...get an older 617. I'm sure Dan could 
fix you up with one that would only take 2-3 months to get in good running 
order and all your spare time :-) 
Good luck and best wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 


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[MBZ] Who is Best?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I am looking at some drive train (soft) parts for the 300SEL. Understand that I 
want to minimize my investment, but not at the cost of using a part that I know 
will crap out in a year (URO.)

A drive shaft center support, for example:

Febi/Bilstein

Corteco

Meyle

Vaico (URO/APA?)


I’m guessing Corteco is probably the best quality short of an MB part.

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Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

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On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 22:10:57 + (UTC) Curt Raymond
 wrote:

> I had decent luck running it through the tank but in this case I think
> anything other than running it directly off a can is a waste of time.
> Curt

I have always used it directly off a can.


Craig

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>   On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 2:56 PM, Craig via
> Mercedes wrote:   On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 17:50:47
> -0400 Max Dillon via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> > I'm tempted to dump a can of diesel purge in the tank, easy enough,
> > drive it hard for another couple weeks and then reevaluate.
> 
> I presume you have run it with the supply and return lines directly in a
> can of Diesel Purge ...
> 
> 
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hood paint and attend to the
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need to do something about the
broken left rear trailing arm)
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Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Craig, yes, twice.  Each time that has cleared up the symptoms entirely.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
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'95 E300

On March 16, 2017 5:56:19 PM EDT, Craig via Mercedes  
wrote:
>On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 17:50:47 -0400 Max Dillon via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
>> I'm tempted to dump a can of diesel purge in the tank, easy enough,
>> drive it hard for another couple weeks and then reevaluate.
>
>I presume you have run it with the supply and return lines directly in
>a
>can of Diesel Purge ...
>
>

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Re: [MBZ] If there were ever a couple of Kleb cars....

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Craig, she drives like that in the snow as well.  How she has escaped major 
accidents or damage is completely beyond my comprehension.

When she drives the 350SDL I tell her that once she gets out on the main road 
(it’s up to operating temperature by then) she can “drive it like she stole 
it.”  She must have this week because my mileage in that car is way off.  I’ve 
not gotten to 400 miles on this tank and it’s down to 1/8 of a tank.  She drove 
it to work two days, the rest of that was me.

I love her awful, but I don’t like to ride with her.

-D


> On Mar 16, 2017, at 5:51 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That is how you drive a 200D or 190Dc   WOT or off.  240D is close, but you 
> DO need to back off throttle on a 240D!
> 
>> Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>> March 16, 2017 at 2:44 PM
>> Like a two stroke dirt bike.
>> 
>> On
>> or
>> Off.
>> 
>> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] 1970 Mercedes-Benz 280s

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

"Surprisingly the interior hasn't been completely chewed by rats."

Curt

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Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I had decent luck running it through the tank but in this case I think anything 
other than running it directly off a can is a waste of time.
Curt

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  On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 2:56 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:   On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 17:50:47 -0400 Max Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I'm tempted to dump a can of diesel purge in the tank, easy enough,
> drive it hard for another couple weeks and then reevaluate.

I presume you have run it with the supply and return lines directly in a
can of Diesel Purge ...


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

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I took a long hard look in each pre-chamber, nothing amiss that I could see.  
After cleaning up #1 & #2, with all injectors out, I cranked the engine through 
a few revolutions to blast out any junk that might have fallen in.

Easy / cheap to try swapping out the DVs, compared to procuring and swapping an 
injection pump.
-- 
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On March 16, 2017 10:05:17 AM EDT, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
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>With the nozzle holder and heat shield out, you can visually inspect
>the 
>prechambers, except the 6 holes in the tip.  With a small catheter cam,
>
>you should be able to see the holes in the end, you just have to get 
>around the ball in the prechamber.
>
>I think the next step (other than Kle'bs suggestion) is #3.

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Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

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On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 17:50:47 -0400 Max Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I'm tempted to dump a can of diesel purge in the tank, easy enough,
> drive it hard for another couple weeks and then reevaluate.

I presume you have run it with the supply and return lines directly in a
can of Diesel Purge ...


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 1970 Mercedes-Benz 280s

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Maybe.
What are the odds on whether there is a mouse nest in there somewhere?

RB

On 16/03/2017 4:52 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

Ran when parked.  20 yrs ago.


Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
March 16, 2017 at 4:35 PM

1970 Mercedes-Benz 280s
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Re: [MBZ] 1970 Mercedes-Benz 280s

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Ran when parked.  20 yrs ago.


Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
March 16, 2017 at 4:35 PM

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Re: [MBZ] If there were ever a couple of Kleb cars....

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

That is how you drive a 200D or 190Dc   WOT or off.  240D is close, but 
you DO need to back off throttle on a 240D!



Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
March 16, 2017 at 2:44 PM
Like a two stroke dirt bike.

On
or
Off.

Rick


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Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

By the end of today, about fifty or sixty miles, there seems to be a little 
improvement.  When I parked at work this a.m., there was a miss at idle, which 
is new, and I thought "Ok, I can trouble-shoot that!".  That miss was gone when 
I got home this afternoon.

I'm tempted to dump a can of diesel purge in the tank, easy enough, drive it 
hard for another couple weeks and then reevaluate.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On March 16, 2017 9:16:15 AM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>When I had that issue it took 2 diesel purges and a tank full of
>driving and it seems mostly ok now.
>
>

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1970 Mercedes-Benz 280s
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Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

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On 16/03/2017 3:58 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 15:33:02 -0500 Randy Bennell via Mercedes
 wrote:


Use your imagination.
What else might be done with a small catheter cam?

So, all kinds of things can be done with a small catheter cam, but none of
them are being done and, specifically, none of them are being done to FT.


Craig

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Well, I would expect that the images conjured with the word "catheter" 
was what resulted in FT "cringing" without anyone chasing him about the 
room with the apparatus.


RB.


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Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

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On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 15:33:02 -0500 Randy Bennell via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Use your imagination.
> What else might be done with a small catheter cam?

So, all kinds of things can be done with a small catheter cam, but none of
them are being done and, specifically, none of them are being done to FT.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

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On 16/03/2017 2:52 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 13:56:10 -0500 Randy Bennell via Mercedes
 wrote:


On 16/03/2017 1:38 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 10:37:05 -0400 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
 wrote:


"CRINGING"

--FT

Why?

"With a small catheter cam"

Why should that make him cringe?


Craig

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Use your imagination.
What else might be done with a small catheter cam?

RB

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Re: [MBZ] If there were ever a couple of Kleb cars....

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On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 15:14:23 -0400 Dan--- via Mercedes
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> Two speeds:
> 
> STOP; and
> GO GO GO
> 
> She actually went through a set of front brake pads (OE organic) in 15k
> miles on a W124. Smoked those babies.

Good thing there is no snow in Florida.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

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On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 13:56:10 -0500 Randy Bennell via Mercedes
 wrote:

> On 16/03/2017 1:38 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:
> > On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 10:37:05 -0400 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> "CRINGING"
> >>
> >> --FT
>
> > Why?
>
> "With a small catheter cam"

Why should that make him cringe?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] If there were ever a couple of Kleb cars....

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Like a two stroke dirt bike. 

On 
or
Off.

Rick
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Two speeds:

STOP; and
GO GO GO

She actually went through a set of front brake pads (OE organic) in 15k miles 
on a W124. Smoked those babies.

-‎
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Two speeds:

STOP; and
GO GO GO

She actually went through a set of front brake pads (OE organic) in 15k miles 
on a W124. Smoked those babies.

-D

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> On Mar 16, 2017, at 2:58 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> If she drives anything like my wife, I can just about imagine how it would be.
> My wife drives a 4 cylinder Honda Accord like it was F1. It is a good thing 
> those little engines are designed to rev.
> 
> RB
> 
>> On 16/03/2017 1:52 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>> Provide details...
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>> 
>>> On 3/16/17 2:51 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I need another W140 like I need a hole in my head.  Especially a V12.
>>> 
>>> Visions of the wife tearing up the streets with it
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
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  wrote:
 
 Oh man I love those cars
 
 --FT
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Re: [MBZ] If there were ever a couple of Kleb cars....

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

If she drives anything like my wife, I can just about imagine how it 
would be.
My wife drives a 4 cylinder Honda Accord like it was F1. It is a good 
thing those little engines are designed to rev.


RB

On 16/03/2017 1:52 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:

Provide details...

--FT


On 3/16/17 2:51 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:

I need another W140 like I need a hole in my head.  Especially a V12.

Visions of the wife tearing up the streets with it

-D

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Oh man I love those cars

--FT


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Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

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On 16/03/2017 1:38 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 10:37:05 -0400 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
 wrote:


"CRINGING"

--FT

Why?


Craig

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Provide details...

--FT


On 3/16/17 2:51 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:

I need another W140 like I need a hole in my head.  Especially a V12.

Visions of the wife tearing up the streets with it

-D

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Oh man I love those cars

--FT


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Winston Churchill:
“Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or 
petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] If there were ever a couple of Kleb cars....

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

I need another W140 like I need a hole in my head.  Especially a V12.

Visions of the wife tearing up the streets with it

-D

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> On Mar 16, 2017, at 1:48 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Oh man I love those cars
> 
> --FT


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On Thu, 16 Mar 2017 10:37:05 -0400 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
 wrote:

> "CRINGING"
> 
> --FT

Why?


Craig

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Oh man I love those cars

--FT


On 3/16/17 1:28 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:

At least.

I'm now working on a lead for a 1999 CL600.

-D

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On Mar 16, 2017, at 1:08 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote:

What makes you think he doesn't already have such a warehouse? Over the
past five years I have documented 27 cars that he has purchased fixed up.
Give or take 15 or 25.

On Mar 16, 2017 12:03 PM, "Floyd Thursby via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Poos needs to go buy an old warehouse in a ratty part of town and become
the Flahduh Kleb, that's a hell of a deal.

--FT




On 3/15/17 11:00 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

2 junkers and a 16' dovetail trail for $1500, how could you go wrong?

Dan Penoff via Mercedes 

March 15, 2017 at 6:52 PM
…these would be it:

https://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/cto/6045696939.html

-D


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large or petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of
the enemy.”



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Winston Churchill:
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petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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At least.

I'm now working on a lead for a 1999 CL600. 

-D

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> On Mar 16, 2017, at 1:08 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> What makes you think he doesn't already have such a warehouse? Over the
> past five years I have documented 27 cars that he has purchased fixed up.
> Give or take 15 or 25.
> 
> On Mar 16, 2017 12:03 PM, "Floyd Thursby via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Poos needs to go buy an old warehouse in a ratty part of town and become
> the Flahduh Kleb, that's a hell of a deal.
> 
> --FT
> 
> 
> 
>> On 3/15/17 11:00 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>> 2 junkers and a 16' dovetail trail for $1500, how could you go wrong?
>> 
>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>> March 15, 2017 at 6:52 PM
>>> …these would be it:
>>> 
>>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/cto/6045696939.html
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
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> --FT
> Winston Churchill:
> “Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small,
> large or petty,
> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of
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Re: [MBZ] If there were ever a couple of Kleb cars....

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

What makes you think he doesn't already have such a warehouse? Over the
past five years I have documented 27 cars that he has purchased fixed up.
Give or take 15 or 25.

On Mar 16, 2017 12:03 PM, "Floyd Thursby via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Poos needs to go buy an old warehouse in a ratty part of town and become
the Flahduh Kleb, that's a hell of a deal.

--FT



On 3/15/17 11:00 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

> 2 junkers and a 16' dovetail trail for $1500, how could you go wrong?
>
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> March 15, 2017 at 6:52 PM
>> …these would be it:
>>
>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/cto/6045696939.html
>>
>> -D
>>
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Re: [MBZ] If there were ever a couple of Kleb cars....

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Poos needs to go buy an old warehouse in a ratty part of town and become 
the Flahduh Kleb, that's a hell of a deal.


--FT


On 3/15/17 11:00 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

2 junkers and a 16' dovetail trail for $1500, how could you go wrong?


Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
March 15, 2017 at 6:52 PM
…these would be it:

https://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/cto/6045696939.html

-D


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Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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[MBZ] Nice Politics

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Texas Congressmen livestream road trip to Washington

When a winter storm threatened their travel plans, two Texas Congressman 
embarked on a buddy trip for the ages.

Beto O'Rourke, a Democrat from El Paso, and Will Hurd, a Republican from San 
Antonio, had their flights from Texas to Washington DC cancelled due to heavy 
snow in the capital.

The two men, who did not know one another well, decided to share a car and make 
the 30-hour drive.

They livestreamed much of the trip on Periscope and Facebook Live.

O'Rourke called it "the longest bi-national congressional live town hall in the 
history of the United States".
Image copyright Getty Images
Image caption A DC snowstorm was milder than expected, but still shut down the 
airports

They used the time to interact with their constituents and share their views on 
hot button political issues, from immigration (both men live along the 
US-Mexico border) to the terrorist threat posed by the so-called Islamic State 
(Hurd is a former CIA analyst.)

It wasn't all high-level policy debates. The men sang along to Willie Nelson, 
The Clash and Buddy Holly, and made several stops for coffee, burritos and 
donuts.

Votes in DC were scheduled for 630pm Wednesday night. The men left San Antonio 
at 7am on Tuesday and stopped in Nashville at 3am the next morning, after a day 
spent on the road and on camera.
Image copyright Getty Images
Image caption Hurd shared the stage with Paul Ryan in 2015

"The last couple hours were tough," O'Rourke told the audience.

"You stuck with us, kept us company, suggested songs for the playlist, gave us 
some good questions. Settled the pie v cake dispute," he said, referring to a 
battle of dessert supremacy that ignited a lively debate.

While travelling, they received phone calls from current and former members of 
congress, including House Majority leader Kevin McCarthy, Hawaii Congresswoman 
Tulsi Gabbard, Wisconsin Congresswoman Gwen Moore, and retired Majority leaders 
Bill Frist and Tom Daschle.

The current elected officials who called in were asked to talk about a 
programme they were working on in Congress - and who they would choose as a 
bipartisan road-trip buddy.

"Joe Kennedy would be a good one - he'd have some good Kennedy family history 
and is a great guy," said Republican Randy Webber.

Though O'Rourke and Hurd both oppose President Trump's plan to build a wall 
along the Texas-Mexico border, they differ on several key issues.

"Beto likes to get the tank down close to E before we fill up," Hurd, who had a 
more conservative petrol policy, told viewers.

O'Rourke also prefers to drive without stopping, while Hurd favours more pit 
stops.

"Will wanted to stop at every school house along the way," and engage the 
students, O'Rourke said, but school schedules and their tight timeline made 
such a request impossible.
Image copyright Getty Images
Image caption O'Rourke was elected in 2013

"It would have been fun, man!" Hurd insisted.

The men were not above stunts to boost their ratings - or ease the monotony of 
the road.

"We're at 600 live views," O'Rourke said on Wednesday morning. "We peaked early 
at 750 when Will was doing 20 push-ups in the Pilot gas station parking lot in 
cowboy boots."

As the day went on, viewership grew to as many as 4,000 viewers, helped by 
interviews the men gave to news programmes and shares on social media. They 
attracted comments from India, the UK and Philippines.
Image copyright Facebook
Image caption Will Hurd talks to reporters in front of the Capitol building

With three hours and thirty minutes left before votes in the House, their GPS 
showed them three hours away from Capitol Hill - but they would be driving 
through Washington during rush hour.

At 5:51pm local time, they arrived in front of the Capitol building, having 
reached their destination ahead of schedule and together.

"We always talk about the things that divide us, when we could be talking about 
the things that unite us," Hurd said during the trip.

"Even if we do disagree, we don't have to be disagreeable,"

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39261328

~ 
Question:
Did these men need anything more than a smart cellphone to livestream their 
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[MBZ] Euro 350SL that somebody is gonna want badly

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Has a truly rare 4 speed manual transmission.  I predict it will crack $20k
by the end of the day.

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1979-mercedes-benz-350sl-grey-market-car/
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Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

"CRINGING"

--FT


On 3/16/17 10:05 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

With a small catheter cam, you should be able to see the holes in the end


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[MBZ] Sad local 300SD on BAT

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

It has a long list of honey-dos.  Vienna, VA is a nearby D.C. suburb.

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1983-mercedes-benz-300sd-2/
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Re: [MBZ] If there were ever a couple of Kleb cars....

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

The titles alone are worth the paper they're printed on.

On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 11:00 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> 2 junkers and a 16' dovetail trail for $1500, how could you go wrong?
>
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> March 15, 2017 at 6:52 PM
>> …these would be it:
>>
>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/cto/6045696939.html
>>
>> -D
>>
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Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

With the nozzle holder and heat shield out, you can visually inspect the 
prechambers, except the 6 holes in the tip.  With a small catheter cam, 
you should be able to see the holes in the end, you just have to get 
around the ball in the prechamber.


I think the next step (other than Kle'bs suggestion) is #3.

Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
March 16, 2017 at 7:53 AM
Status update

Timing has been corrected, didn't help.

Turbo boost restored to ~14 psi, and that helped to resolve a lot of
the problem. Smoke is gone, but the nailing persists.

Correct glow plugs installed, didn't help.

Injectors with new Monark nozzles installed tonight, and if anything
the problem is worse. :\

I may need to find a new mechanic. The fellow who installed the
injectors FAILED to put heat shields under #1 and #2!!! What a
looser! When I found this I thought "Ahh HAH!! This is it!" but alas
I don't see the improvement I was expecting. Perhaps there is
excessive carbon build up in those two pre-chambers, and I've got to
burn that out?

I can think of three more things to try:

(1) Rebuild the delivery valves (DVs) again.

(2) Swap all the DVs with a "known good" used set, from the original pump.

(3) Replace the injection pump.

I don't think compression is the issue, the car started just fine at
28 deg F this a.m., and per normal it idles smoothly for a few seconds
while the glow plugs are hot, and then it starts to miss.

-Max



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Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
January 15, 2017 at 12:58 PM
Maybe a compression check?

Maybe an egt monitor or Afr sensor in the tailpipe to get a sense of the
mix.

Or just turn the boost up and see how it goes.


On Jan 15, 2017 10:10 AM, "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" 


wrote:

Dieselvolk,

Here's the situation: My 124.193, with 365k miles, isn't running well at
all. Under anything more than gentle throttle, the engine pings and
smokes. Mileage is bad, around 22 mpg in town, about 25 on the highway. I
used to get about 26 in town, 28 on the highway. Starts fine, idles fine.
A diesel-purge treatment will clear it right up, and it will run just fine
(and get better mileage) for about a month, and then it declines back to
poor running. Italian tune-ups will also help a bit (especially with the
smoking).

What changed? I installed an injection pump from a 3.5 liter engine. One
of the three hold-down tangs on the original IP broke (long story) so 
I had

to replace it, and I had this 3.5 liter IP on the shelf.

When I installed this "new" IP, I overhauled the delivery valves, and
adjusted the ALDA 1/2 turn richer. I have since moved the ALDA screw back
to the original position, I think, I need to check the records. I may have
only moved it back 1/4 turn.

What else is wrong? I have the wrong glow plugs installed. When I
installed the "new" head a few years ago (with oblique injection) I 
swapped

in the relatively new glow plugs from the original head. Oblique injection
heads use a glow plug that is shorter.

Last weekend I adjusted the timing (it was a couple degrees advanced), and
then went on a 900 mile highway trip for work. No change in performance.
I think that this bigger pump is over-fueling the engine, resulting in 
lots

of un-burned fuel and carbon build up.

Options that I can think of:

1) Back off the ALDA screw a little more.
2) Install the correct glow plugs.
3) Check the turbo output, bump it back up if low.
4) Remove the 3.5 liter injection pump, put a 3.0 liter IP back in
(Wilton's old 300D engine has one)
5) Pull the engine and tranny, swap in engine / tranny from Wilton's 300D.
This is attractive because my engine has a nagging oil leak that I haven't
been able to solve, plus that engine / tranny are much younger, only 143k
miles. The downside is that engine still has the original #14 head, but
that is minor (I think the head is sound).

-
Max
Charleston SC
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Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
January 15, 2017 at 12:09 PM
Dieselvolk,

Here's the situation: My 124.193, with 365k miles, isn't running well at
all. Under anything more than gentle throttle, the engine pings and
smokes. Mileage is bad, around 22 mpg in town, about 25 on the highway. I
used to get about 26 in town, 28 on the highway. Star

Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

When I had that issue it took 2 diesel purges and a tank full of driving and it 
seems mostly ok now.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 16, 2017, at 7:53 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Status update
> 
> Timing has been corrected, didn't help.
> 
> Turbo boost restored to ~14 psi, and that helped to resolve a lot of
> the problem.  Smoke is gone, but the nailing persists.
> 
> Correct glow plugs installed, didn't help.
> 
> Injectors with new Monark nozzles installed tonight, and if anything
> the problem is worse.  :\
> 
> I may need to find a new mechanic.  The fellow who installed the
> injectors FAILED to put heat shields under #1 and #2!!!  What a
> looser!  When I found this I thought "Ahh HAH!!  This is it!" but alas
> I don't see the improvement I was expecting.  Perhaps there is
> excessive carbon build up in those two pre-chambers, and I've got to
> burn that out?
> 
> I can think of three more things to try:
> 
> (1) Rebuild the delivery valves (DVs) again.
> 
> (2) Swap all the DVs with a "known good" used set, from the original pump.
> 
> (3) Replace the injection pump.
> 
> I don't think compression is the issue, the car started just fine at
> 28 deg F this a.m., and per normal it idles smoothly for a few seconds
> while the glow plugs are hot, and then it starts to miss.
> 
> -Max
> 
> 
>> On Jan 15, 2017 10:10 AM, "Meade Dillon via Mercedes"
>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Dieselvolk,
>> 
>> Here's the situation:  My 124.193, with 365k miles, isn't running well
>> at
>> all.  Under anything more than gentle throttle, the engine pings and
>> smokes.  Mileage is bad, around 22 mpg in town, about 25 on the
>> highway.  I
>> used to get about 26 in town, 28 on the highway.  Starts fine, idles
>> fine.
>> A diesel-purge treatment will clear it right up, and it will run just
>> fine
>> (and get better mileage) for about a month, and then it declines back
>> to
>> poor running.  Italian tune-ups will also help a bit (especially with
>> the
>> smoking).
>> 
>> What changed?  I installed an injection pump from a 3.5 liter engine.
>> One
>> of the three hold-down tangs on the original IP broke (long story) so I
>> had
>> to replace it, and I had this 3.5 liter IP on the shelf.
>> 
>> When I installed this "new" IP, I overhauled the delivery valves, and
>> adjusted the ALDA 1/2 turn richer.  I have since moved the ALDA screw
>> back
>> to the original position, I think, I need to check the records.  I may
>> have
>> only moved it back 1/4 turn.
>> 
>> What else is wrong?  I have the wrong glow plugs installed.  When I
>> installed the "new" head a few years ago (with oblique injection) I
>> swapped
>> in the relatively new glow plugs from the original head. Oblique
>> injection
>> heads use a glow plug that is shorter.
>> 
>> Last weekend I adjusted the timing (it was a couple degrees advanced),
>> and
>> then went on a 900 mile highway trip for work.  No change in
>> performance.
>> I think that this bigger pump is over-fueling the engine, resulting in
>> lots
>> of un-burned fuel and carbon build up.
>> 
>> Options that I can think of:
>> 
>> 1) Back off the ALDA screw a little more.
>> 2) Install the correct glow plugs.
>> 3) Check the turbo output, bump it back up if low.
>> 4) Remove the 3.5 liter injection pump, put a 3.0 liter IP back in
>> (Wilton's old 300D engine has one)
>> 5) Pull the engine and tranny, swap in engine / tranny from Wilton's
>> 300D.
>> This is attractive because my engine has a nagging oil leak that I
>> haven't
>> been able to solve, plus that engine / tranny are much younger, only
>> 143k
>> miles.  The downside is that engine still has the original #14 head,
>> but
>> that is minor (I think the head is sound).
>> 
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] My 87 wagon runs poorly - what to do?

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Status update

Timing has been corrected, didn't help.

Turbo boost restored to ~14 psi, and that helped to resolve a lot of
the problem.  Smoke is gone, but the nailing persists.

Correct glow plugs installed, didn't help.

Injectors with new Monark nozzles installed tonight, and if anything
the problem is worse.  :\

I may need to find a new mechanic.  The fellow who installed the
injectors FAILED to put heat shields under #1 and #2!!!  What a
looser!  When I found this I thought "Ahh HAH!!  This is it!" but alas
I don't see the improvement I was expecting.  Perhaps there is
excessive carbon build up in those two pre-chambers, and I've got to
burn that out?

I can think of three more things to try:

(1) Rebuild the delivery valves (DVs) again.

(2) Swap all the DVs with a "known good" used set, from the original pump.

(3) Replace the injection pump.

I don't think compression is the issue, the car started just fine at
28 deg F this a.m., and per normal it idles smoothly for a few seconds
while the glow plugs are hot, and then it starts to miss.

-Max


>On Jan 15, 2017 10:10 AM, "Meade Dillon via Mercedes"
>
>wrote:
>
>Dieselvolk,
>
>Here's the situation:  My 124.193, with 365k miles, isn't running well
>at
>all.  Under anything more than gentle throttle, the engine pings and
>smokes.  Mileage is bad, around 22 mpg in town, about 25 on the
>highway.  I
>used to get about 26 in town, 28 on the highway.  Starts fine, idles
>fine.
>A diesel-purge treatment will clear it right up, and it will run just
>fine
>(and get better mileage) for about a month, and then it declines back
>to
>poor running.  Italian tune-ups will also help a bit (especially with
>the
>smoking).
>
>What changed?  I installed an injection pump from a 3.5 liter engine.
>One
>of the three hold-down tangs on the original IP broke (long story) so I
>had
>to replace it, and I had this 3.5 liter IP on the shelf.
>
>When I installed this "new" IP, I overhauled the delivery valves, and
>adjusted the ALDA 1/2 turn richer.  I have since moved the ALDA screw
>back
>to the original position, I think, I need to check the records.  I may
>have
>only moved it back 1/4 turn.
>
>What else is wrong?  I have the wrong glow plugs installed.  When I
>installed the "new" head a few years ago (with oblique injection) I
>swapped
>in the relatively new glow plugs from the original head. Oblique
>injection
>heads use a glow plug that is shorter.
>
>Last weekend I adjusted the timing (it was a couple degrees advanced),
>and
>then went on a 900 mile highway trip for work.  No change in
>performance.
>I think that this bigger pump is over-fueling the engine, resulting in
>lots
>of un-burned fuel and carbon build up.
>
>Options that I can think of:
>
>1) Back off the ALDA screw a little more.
>2) Install the correct glow plugs.
>3) Check the turbo output, bump it back up if low.
>4) Remove the 3.5 liter injection pump, put a 3.0 liter IP back in
>(Wilton's old 300D engine has one)
>5) Pull the engine and tranny, swap in engine / tranny from Wilton's
>300D.
>This is attractive because my engine has a nagging oil leak that I
>haven't
>been able to solve, plus that engine / tranny are much younger, only
>143k
>miles.  The downside is that engine still has the original #14 head,
>but
>that is minor (I think the head is sound).
>
>-
>Max
>Charleston SC

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