Re: [MBZ] Such a bargain now

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

I've driven an M-1A1 and it was quite amazing.  It had a handlebar with a twist 
grip like a motorcycle.  So much power!  I've also driven old-style (side 
lever) diesel tanks which aren't in the same league.

> -Original Message-
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> Meade Dillon via Mercedes
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Such a bargain now
> 
> I don't think I'd like to have a car that "drives like a tank".  I wonder 
> where the
> seller got his experience driving tanks?
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] OT BMW diagnosis Question

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

My (gas) truck used to do that.  I think the rubber seal on the gas cap became 
porous.  I greased the gasket and that seems to have fixed it.



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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 138, Issue 228

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Permit for grading and drainage, because the EPA has dictated any water
shed area has to have an engineered study before the drainage can be
modified... [go figure... the government in action.. ]

Then... because the building covers ground by virtue of having a roof...
the run off has to be calculated and accounted for when it rains [The
government didn't get the memo that this is the desert and it only rains
0.20 inches per year... ]

Then... because it has a flush toilet.. which goes into a septic system.. I
have to have an "Approved Plan and Installation for Septic"

The list goes on and on... to date.. a bit more than $8,000 in permit
fees and another $12,000 in engineering fees to produce drawings with
engineers registered stamp for the various elements of the project.

All for a place to build Mercedes and restore them... and other projects...


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On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 8:37 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Tue, 30 May 2017 15:18:57 -0700 G Mann via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > Thanks for asking.
> > Nothing worthy just yet. Been focused on putting up the new shop, and
> > all the prep work for that [engineering, permits, etc, etc.]
>
> Permits? Out in the middle of the boonies?
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Old house projects

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

I found out that USAA won't insure a house with any knob-and-tube wiring.



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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 138, Issue 228

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 30 May 2017 15:18:57 -0700 G Mann via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Thanks for asking.
> Nothing worthy just yet. Been focused on putting up the new shop, and
> all the prep work for that [engineering, permits, etc, etc.]

Permits? Out in the middle of the boonies?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Where's Gay Larry When You Need Him?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Rear ended?   My 200D was one of the first to hit the shores of the US 
of A.  It was sold in Nov of 1965 as a 66 model. It does not have the 
fender turn signals.  I'd do a VIN check for Mfg. date.  A 65 should be 
a 190Dc in the USA.  66 are all 200D.  I have never seen a holdover 65 
sold as a 66.  It could be a Yuro import, not imported by MBNA.  Check 
the engine number too.  Both are 621, but the subtypes are different.


Looks nice, but something does not look right.


Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
May 30, 2017 at 5:10 PM
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/cto/6150863379.html

Interesting. And it’s a diesel.

-D


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Re: [MBZ] One for Snook

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Nice. Need to ask for list of all the work that needs to be done to make
the car 100 percent.

On May 30, 2017 9:36 PM, "Dan--- via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Cars like this:
>
> https://jerseyshore.craigslist.org/cto/6146138993.html
>
> -D
>
> > On May 30, 2017, at 9:32 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > I have to admit, I've been looking that way because my finnie search has
> been sucking big time...
> >
> > -D
> >
> >> On May 30, 2017, at 9:28 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Dan, you really oughta be collecting a108 sedan like this. Very very
> cool car, with leather and beautiful wood interior. These were luxury
> sedans. The trick is finding one that has either been restored or as been
> garaged 450 years. Good luck with that haha
> >>
> >>> On May 30, 2017 6:21 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>> Works for me:
> >>>
> >>> https://nashville.craigslist.org/cto/6143179567.html
> >>>
> >>> Must have dropped the “l” on the end.
> >>>
> >>> Try it now.
> >>>
> >>> -D
> >>>
> >>>
>  On May 30, 2017, at 6:14 PM, Craig via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  On Tue, 30 May 2017 18:07:48 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>   wrote:
> 
> > Since you’re thinking about moving to Nashville?  Or Memphis?
> >
> > https://nashville.craigslist.org/cto/6143179567.htm
> 
> 
>    There is nothing here
> 
>    No web page for this address
> 
>    404 Error
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] One for Snook

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Cars like this:

https://jerseyshore.craigslist.org/cto/6146138993.html

-D

> On May 30, 2017, at 9:32 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I have to admit, I've been looking that way because my finnie search has been 
> sucking big time...
> 
> -D
> 
>> On May 30, 2017, at 9:28 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
>> 
>> Dan, you really oughta be collecting a108 sedan like this. Very very cool 
>> car, with leather and beautiful wood interior. These were luxury sedans. The 
>> trick is finding one that has either been restored or as been garaged 450 
>> years. Good luck with that haha
>> 
>>> On May 30, 2017 6:21 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes"  
>>> wrote:
>>> Works for me:
>>> 
>>> https://nashville.craigslist.org/cto/6143179567.html
>>> 
>>> Must have dropped the “l” on the end.
>>> 
>>> Try it now.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>> 
 On May 30, 2017, at 6:14 PM, Craig via Mercedes  
 wrote:
 
 On Tue, 30 May 2017 18:07:48 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
  wrote:
 
> Since you’re thinking about moving to Nashville?  Or Memphis?
> 
> https://nashville.craigslist.org/cto/6143179567.htm
 
 
   There is nothing here
 
   No web page for this address
 
   404 Error
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] One for Snook

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

I have to admit, I've been looking that way because my finnie search has been 
sucking big time...

-D

> On May 30, 2017, at 9:28 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> Dan, you really oughta be collecting a108 sedan like this. Very very cool 
> car, with leather and beautiful wood interior. These were luxury sedans. The 
> trick is finding one that has either been restored or as been garaged 450 
> years. Good luck with that haha
> 
>> On May 30, 2017 6:21 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes"  
>> wrote:
>> Works for me:
>> 
>> https://nashville.craigslist.org/cto/6143179567.html
>> 
>> Must have dropped the “l” on the end.
>> 
>> Try it now.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>> > On May 30, 2017, at 6:14 PM, Craig via Mercedes  
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > On Tue, 30 May 2017 18:07:48 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> >> Since you’re thinking about moving to Nashville?  Or Memphis?
>> >>
>> >> https://nashville.craigslist.org/cto/6143179567.htm
>> >
>> >
>> >There is nothing here
>> >
>> >No web page for this address
>> >
>> >404 Error
>> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT: VW Wilton Wheels

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 30 May 2017 18:20:59 -0400 (EDT) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Oops, wrong picture.
> Try this:
> http://www.materiaincognita.com.br/tag/kombis/

Yes, that works much better.

A VW Kombi tractor with a VW Kombi semi-trailer. Cute.


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Re: [MBZ] Way beyond OT - Replacing CA avocado groves with coffee plantations

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Winners and losers.

On May 30, 2017 6:52 PM, "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> But wait, so-called "climate change" is supposed to be BAD!  Who are these
> people that would dare to actually try to make something positive out of
> it?
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 4:58 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I just had to share this mind-boggling little news clip.
> > MEET THE CALIF. COFFEE CRAZE
> >
> > Southern California avocado groves are finding economic revitalization in
> > coffee.
> >
> > Farmers are confronting a problem of aging avocado trees in the region
> that
> > are producing less fruit. At the same time, many also are noting the ways
> > climate change is threatening to damage coffee crops in traditional
> export
> > areas. Southern California-grown coffee, many believe, is an answer to
> both
> > problems.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] One for Snook

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Dan, you really oughta be collecting a108 sedan like this. Very very cool
car, with leather and beautiful wood interior. These were luxury sedans.
The trick is finding one that has either been restored or as been garaged
450 years. Good luck with that haha

On May 30, 2017 6:21 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Works for me:
>
> https://nashville.craigslist.org/cto/6143179567.html
>
> Must have dropped the “l” on the end.
>
> Try it now.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On May 30, 2017, at 6:14 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 30 May 2017 18:07:48 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> Since you’re thinking about moving to Nashville?  Or Memphis?
> >>
> >> https://nashville.craigslist.org/cto/6143179567.htm
> >
> >
> >There is nothing here
> >
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> >
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Re: [MBZ] Very nice 126

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Obsolete boat. Pass.

On May 30, 2017 7:44 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Very nice but too much money and junk k&n
>
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> > On May 30, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > This looks pretty nice.  If I was in the market for a 126, I would be
> all over this.
> >
> > Dan, are you still looking for a 126?
> >
> > https://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/6148788595.html
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Where's Gay Larry When You Need Him?

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Looks like his neighborhood.
is his email still lmolek?
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Re: [MBZ] OT mayor rumdum's town

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

RB wrote:
> And, Chicago area has, what, 8 to 10 million people...

That is the metro area population.  Dead/wounded is the City of Chicato.
from wiki:

A breakdown of the 2009 estimated populations of the three
Metropolitan Divisions of the MSA are as follows:
Chicago-Aurora-Joliet, IL Metropolitan Division (7,998,257)

Cook County (5,287,037)
DeKalb County (107,333)
DuPage County (932,541)
Grundy County (48,421)
Kane County (511,892)
Kendall County (104,821)
McHenry County (320,961)
Will County (685,251)

Gary, IN Metropolitan Division (709,265)

Jasper County (IN) (33,520)
Lake County (IN) (496,478)
Newton County (IN) (14,250)
Porter County (IN) (165,017)

Lake County-Kenosha County, IL-WI Metropolitan Division (877,949)

Lake County (IL) (712,567)
Kenosha County (WI) (165,382)

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Re: [MBZ] Which transmission does a 95 E300D have?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

722.4 I think 

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> https://annarbor.craigslist.org/cto/6143573154.html
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Re: [MBZ] Very nice 126

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Very nice but too much money and junk k&n

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> This looks pretty nice.  If I was in the market for a 126, I would be all 
> over this.
> 
> Dan, are you still looking for a 126?
> 
> https://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/6148788595.html
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Old house projects

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Heck with that.

This house is very original overall except for the kitchen and bathrooms. They 
have been updated many years ago from the original and need serious help now. 

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> On May 30, 2017, at 3:32 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Don't forget the granite countertops and stainless steel appliances (unless 
> it takes 10 years to renovate in which case those will be passed their best 
> before date)
> 
> RB
> 
>> On 30/05/2017 3:22 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>> That is a gorgeous old house.  Reminds me of my second fixer-upper, an old 
>> Victorian.  I have no idea what a "fixed-up" value would be on it but it 
>> looks like 2 bathrooms and a kitchen would need to be upgraded.  The rest 
>> looks mostly cosmetic, stripping, paint, etc. and sand the floors and 
>> refinish.  I'm sure the wiring is ancient, the plumbing too, so that would 
>> need to be upgraded.  These are all spendy things.  How's the roof and 
>> paint?  I'm presuming no insulation anywhere you can do blow-in for that.  
>> If windows are also original you would probably want at least new sashes 
>> with double ("bulletproof") glass, those can go into the existing frames and 
>> work very nicely.  And whatever the foundation issues are, those can likely 
>> be addressed fairly easily with some footers and jacks as long as there is 
>> not a lot of rot in the sills and joists, we have foundation services all 
>> over the place here that do that sort of thing.
>> 
>> If I was doing it I'd probably be looking at $25k in materials easy for the 
>> bathrooms/kitchen, wiring and plumbing might add up. It would be easy to 
>> dump $100k into it if you wanted a nice place, but the market probably 
>> suggests cheaping out and basically abandoning a beautiful old house to turn 
>> it into a cheap rental or something. Kinda like a cheap Mercedes...
>> 
>> Not knowing Mao's skills and tenacity, it might be beyond a weekender kind 
>> of project, which is a shame.  If Mao is capable of doing some serious work 
>> on it (like the electrical and plumbing) then maybe you could work something 
>> out, buy materials and pay him some rate to work on it.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Old house projects

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

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> On May 30, 2017, at 3:22 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That is a gorgeous old house.  Reminds me of my second fixer-upper, an old 
> Victorian.  I have no idea what a "fixed-up" value would be on it but it 
> looks like 2 bathrooms and a kitchen would need to be upgraded.  

Yes bathrooms and kitchens needs help. 

> The rest looks mostly cosmetic, stripping, paint, etc. and sand the floors 
> and refinish.  I'm sure the wiring is ancient, the plumbing too, so that 
> would need to be upgraded.  These are all spendy things.


There is what appears to have been an old fuse box or wiring junction in a hall 
way upstairs behind a fancy wooden door in the wall and it's been upgraded to 
new wiring. I did not look around for a circuit breaker box. No idea on the 
plumbing.

>  How's the roof and paint?  
 
It will need new shingle at some point soon. They do not appear to be leaking 
from what i can tell. There is another fancy wooden staircase that leads up to 
a semi finished attic and I can see most of the roof decking has been replaced 
as the bottom looks fairly new, was probably done when the current shingle were 
put on. There is a lot of wood rot the facing board of the roof line, whatever 
you call it, and the soffet. 

> I'm presuming no insulation anywhere you can do blow-in for that.
There is some blown in insulation in the attic. 

>  If windows are also original you would probably want at least new sashes 
> with double ("bulletproof") glass, those can go into the existing frames and 
> work very nicely.  

Are these that you are talking about Windows that mount outside the originals 
like storm windows? Some of the windows have that intricate wood work that 
there is no way to duplicate now days.

It also still has gas line connections in the bedrooms that were used with 
those old gas fired heaters. It has been upgraded to central heat and air and 
has 2 units. One up and one down. So that is a plus.

There is a back porch off the kitchen that has been enclosed. The room on that 
has been or is currently leaking as I see a soft spot in the floor and a 
corresponding rotter spot in the ceiling above. The strange thing is one of the 
outside units for the ac is mounted up there, seems that needs to be relocated 
down to the ground. The bedroom that is above this area has one of those doors 
to nowhere that opens out onto this porch. So there used to be a walk out 
balcony on the roof of said porch.

> And whatever the foundation issues are, those can likely be addressed fairly 
> easily with some footers and jacks as long as there is not a lot of rot in 
> the sills and joists, we have foundation services all over the place here 
> that do that sort of thing.
> 
I'm probably going to have the wife show it to me again and take some photos 
for you all to see for curiosity. In our little town there used to be a lot of 
money here and the town is full of big old houses, some bigger than this one. A 
lot of the are real turds that are close to needing to be torn down. Others 
people have fixed up real nice. This one seems to be on the edge. 


> If I was doing it I'd probably be looking at $25k in materials easy for the 
> bathrooms/kitchen, wiring and plumbing might add up.  It would be easy to 
> dump $100k into it if you wanted a nice place, but the market probably 
> suggests cheaping out and basically abandoning a beautiful old house to turn 
> it into a cheap rental or something. Kinda like a cheap Mercedes...
> 
> Not knowing Mao's skills and tenacity, it might be beyond a weekender kind of 
> project, which is a shame.  If Mao is capable of doing some serious work on 
> it (like the electrical and plumbing) then maybe you could work something 
> out, buy materials and pay him some rate to work on it.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Old house projects

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I love old and big, I really love the wood work and details in this house. It's 
amazing how well built old houses are. Do you think a house built today will be 
standing in 70 years? 100 years? Hell a little wind blows such as a baby f0 
tornado and they are toast. 

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> On May 30, 2017, at 2:33 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Old and big. Likely not well insulated. Old Windows as noted by Kaleb. 
> Expensive to heat and cool which may be why it has been abandoned by its 
> owners.
> 
> RB
> 
>> On 30/05/2017 2:29 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:
>> Could be a fantastic beautiful home or a moneypit.One thing I'm sure you 
>> know is houses of this age used REAL WOOD.  Slow growth trees that are as 
>> hard as iron.  The bones of the house are probably still good.  A foundation 
>> issue would scare me a little.  It would definitely be a long term project.  
>> Would you try to restore and flip? Or turn it into a rental? Or several 
>> apartments?
>> 
>> Don Snook
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Kaleb C. Striplin [mailto:ka...@striplin.net]
>> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 6:06 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Subject: [MBZ] OT Old house projects
>> 
>> I was scrolling thru local listings the other day out of curiosity on the 
>> wifes MLS login.  Anyway, I saw this house in town and it looked 
>> interesting.  I had her show it to me today. It is going to need a LOT of 
>> work but it has a lot of potential. It is really a neat old house with 
>> impressive wood work and detail you do not see anymore.  Alot or most of the 
>> wood along the edge of the roof which attaches to the ends of the roof studs 
>> (not sure what you call it) as well as sofet (sp) is rotted and will require 
>> replacement.  Floors are uneven in some spots as you would expect in an old 
>> house and that does not really concern me much.  All of the windows in the 
>> house are the old original wood framed windows and have storm windows 
>> installed on the outside.  These are these big old windows you dont see in 
>> houses anymore.  Wife says they all need to be replaced but I told her these 
>> unlike new windows can be repaired, or so I think.  Just need to to have all 
>> the old paint scraped out, rem
 ove the old putty that holds the glass in and replace.  No they are probably 
not as efficient as new windows.  On one side of the house they have 2 or 3 
huge concrete pillars/supports of some sort which butt up against the 
foundation, almost sort of like buttresses on a cathedral.  The only thing I 
can figure is the foundation started pushing out like it does on old houses and 
these were installed to hold it in.  I have seen other old houses where they 
have drilled holes in the header plate or foundation with cables stretched 
across from one side of the house to the other attached to metal plates on the 
outside of the house which can then be tightened as needed to adjust the 
foundation. The other side of the house looks like its going to need attention 
as there is a section above the concrete/brick foundation that is starting to 
move out.  Obviously will need a lot of cosmetics as well.  Since its a 
forclosure in need of a lot of work I thought about offering no more than $15k, 
and 
 turning it into a long term project.
>> Crazy probably but interesting yes.
>> 
>> https://www.zillow.com/homes/350-s-cedar-nowata-ok_rb/
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Old house projects

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Could be restore and flip, but would most likely be restore and maybe rent for 
a while, or by the time it's done I might want to live it in a while myself and 
rent out the ranch. 

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> On May 30, 2017, at 2:29 PM, Donald Snook  wrote:
> 
> Could be a fantastic beautiful home or a moneypit.One thing I'm sure you 
> know is houses of this age used REAL WOOD.  Slow growth trees that are as 
> hard as iron.  The bones of the house are probably still good.  A foundation 
> issue would scare me a little.  It would definitely be a long term project.  
> Would you try to restore and flip? Or turn it into a rental? Or several 
> apartments?  
> 
> Don Snook 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Kaleb C. Striplin [mailto:ka...@striplin.net] 
> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 6:06 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: [MBZ] OT Old house projects
> 
> I was scrolling thru local listings the other day out of curiosity on the 
> wifes MLS login.  Anyway, I saw this house in town and it looked interesting. 
>  I had her show it to me today. It is going to need a LOT of work but it has 
> a lot of potential. It is really a neat old house with impressive wood work 
> and detail you do not see anymore.  Alot or most of the wood along the edge 
> of the roof which attaches to the ends of the roof studs (not sure what you 
> call it) as well as sofet (sp) is rotted and will require replacement.  
> Floors are uneven in some spots as you would expect in an old house and that 
> does not really concern me much.  All of the windows in the house are the old 
> original wood framed windows and have storm windows installed on the outside. 
>  These are these big old windows you dont see in houses anymore.  Wife says 
> they all need to be replaced but I told her these unlike new windows can be 
> repaired, or so I think.  Just need to to have all the old paint scraped out, 
> remo
 ve the old putty that holds the glass in and replace.  No they are probably 
not as efficient as new windows.  On one side of the house they have 2 or 3 
huge concrete pillars/supports of some sort which butt up against the 
foundation, almost sort of like buttresses on a cathedral.  The only thing I 
can figure is the foundation started pushing out like it does on old houses and 
these were installed to hold it in.  I have seen other old houses where they 
have drilled holes in the header plate or foundation with cables stretched 
across from one side of the house to the other attached to metal plates on the 
outside of the house which can then be tightened as needed to adjust the 
foundation. The other side of the house looks like its going to need attention 
as there is a section above the concrete/brick foundation that is starting to 
move out.  Obviously will need a lot of cosmetics as well.  Since its a 
forclosure in need of a lot of work I thought about offering no more than $15k, 
and t
 urning it into a long term project.  
> Crazy probably but interesting yes.
> 
> https://www.zillow.com/homes/350-s-cedar-nowata-ok_rb/
> 
> 
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Tars

[clay via Mercedes]

I was not in the market for brand new rubber for Allen, who had severely dry 
rotted tires.  My favorite PnP has set up a separate wheel/tire operation with 
quality rubber and rims.  The prices are pretty good.  I paid $200 for four 
Yokohamas that they mounted and balanced.  There was a set of AMG rims for $199 
that I really had to swallow and not purchase as well.

The other yards are a bit more liberal about the standards and quality of tires 
on offer, with pricing commensurate.   The tire are sold unmounted, with a tail 
light warrantee.

clay



> On May 30, 2017, at 11:15 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> My local Craigslist has a couple of places that are always advertising used 
> tires for cheep.  I've looked at their ads and they seem to have a good range 
> of brands and sizes that are pretty reasonable based on the brand/type/amount 
> of tread depth.
> 
> They are physical businesses, not in the best of neighborhoods, but 
> nevertheless seem to offer some good deals.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On May 30, 2017, at 1:52 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> That's a good tip Don, I'll remember that.
>> 
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 12:50 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I purchased a set of used tires on ebay for my old BMW.  They had the
>>> tread depth measurements shown in the pictures.  Assuming a new tire is
>>> approximately 10/32", then the tires I bought were new or very nearly new.
>>> It was a set of Sumitomo all season performance tires.  I have been very
>>> happy with them.  They were quite a bit cheaper than the other options.
>>> About a year ago I bought two Michelins on ebay for my other 7 series.  It
>>> had 18 inch wheels and they were staggered. So, the front tires were 235 50
>>> series and the rear were 255 45 series.  So, they were very pricey.  I
>>> found two nearly new Michelins MUCH cheaper.   I know buying tires on ebay
>>> seems a little risky, but they were big sellers and had great feedback.
>>> 
>>> Its another option if you someone wants some cheaper tires especially if
>>> it’s a second or third car.
>>> 
>>> Don Snook
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 138, Issue 228

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I've thought that a Cri Cri would be a lot of fun - there is an electric
one now, and a turbine powered one as well.

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 4:56 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> > On May 30, 2017 at 5:37 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > If you are replying to my comment about a fun to drive AMG 600, then it
> was
> > tongue-in-cheek. You are correct - couldn't afford to drive one . . .
> even
> > my airplane is probably cheaper to operate.
>
> Well, most old guys with twin engines have bigger planes than yours...
> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/66/b5/28/
> 66b5288d7db67a40a80fface54282350.jpg
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our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Solar update

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

How about a windmill?  Use the wind to drive the pump to fill the tank,
have a powered version for back-up.

https://www.etsy.com/listing/257221071/build-your-own-windmill-diy-plans-water?&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=shopping_us_b-craft_supplies_and_tools-tools_and_equipment&utm_custom1=46053756-0188-4cd6-8794-323f32338a3c&gclid=CjwKEAjwsLTJBRCvibaW9bGLtUESJAC4wKw12UKmPkgbtgTis4ycOBxcHRYGsbSWeVoTYZAWBGw6SxoCKDTw_wcB

Hmm, may be a hassle to deal with winterizing, have to design it so easy to
de-water for the winter.

-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Which transmission does a 95 E300D have?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

And look at this for some guidance.  You’ll need more information from the 
seller, however, as they don’t qualify exactly what the issue is when it warms 
up…

http://www.w124performance.com/docs/mb/transmission/trans_722_Mitchell1.pdf

-D


> On May 30, 2017, at 6:57 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
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> 
> https://annarbor.craigslist.org/cto/6143573154.html
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[MBZ] Blue Light special

[clay via Mercedes]

After taking Mom to visit Dad’s resting place, I gathered a few more HF items 
to make my painting learning curve better.  Then I used the rest of the 
sunlight to prep Polei for lights.

I kept opening the tin of bondo and then closing it up, as I was jumping ahead 
of the many steps prior to application.  The sunroof got bungled last fall when 
I did the "stupid" try to open the sunroof while it was popped.  No idea what 
went wrong, but that really does not matter.

I had plans to stick the wires for the gumballs out the seals on the roof 
instead of making holes.  I had two options for light.  A single middle light 
or a pair at the sides.  The middle would have been fine and I had it, but that 
may have been less period correct.  The two light system calls for a light bar, 
which is more angular than what is available on the secondary market, to match 
standard examples for a late 1980’s vehicle.  I figured that there may not be 
significant standardization for lighting, as it might have been transitional 
and each agency probably did its own thing.  I finally went with the pair of 
dome lights.


Lamps are wired up and I placed them on the roof, fed the wire through the gap 
in the roof seal and then stuffed a similarly sized magnet on the underside of 
the roof at each position to hold the lights in place at speed.  I had to do a 
bit of rust remediation along the edges of the sunroof and then finally got the 
bondo prepared and gooped in.  After letting it set up some, I used glazing 
putty to fine tune the surface.  I had to let it cure, and gave it a decent 
sanding this morning.  It needed some more glazing to deal with the shrinkage.

If weather holds out, I should be able to get a few coats of primer down, a 
spot of sanding, and then topcoat.  


clay 

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








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Re: [MBZ] Which transmission does a 95 E300D have?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

722.435

-D



> On May 30, 2017, at 6:57 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
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> https://annarbor.craigslist.org/cto/6143573154.html
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[MBZ] Which transmission does a 95 E300D have?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

https://annarbor.craigslist.org/cto/6143573154.html

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Re: [MBZ] Way beyond OT - Replacing CA avocado groves with coffee plantations

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

But wait, so-called "climate change" is supposed to be BAD!  Who are these
people that would dare to actually try to make something positive out of it?

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 4:58 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I just had to share this mind-boggling little news clip.
> MEET THE CALIF. COFFEE CRAZE
>
> Southern California avocado groves are finding economic revitalization in
> coffee.
>
> Farmers are confronting a problem of aging avocado trees in the region that
> are producing less fruit. At the same time, many also are noting the ways
> climate change is threatening to damage coffee crops in traditional export
> areas. Southern California-grown coffee, many believe, is an answer to both
> problems.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] One for Snook

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Works for me:

https://nashville.craigslist.org/cto/6143179567.html

Must have dropped the “l” on the end.

Try it now.

-D


> On May 30, 2017, at 6:14 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 30 May 2017 18:07:48 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> Since you’re thinking about moving to Nashville?  Or Memphis?
>> 
>> https://nashville.craigslist.org/cto/6143179567.htm
> 
> 
>There is nothing here
> 
>No web page for this address
> 
>404 Error
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: VW Wilton Wheels

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Oops, wrong picture.
Try this:
http://www.materiaincognita.com.br/tag/kombis/

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Re: [MBZ] Where's Gay Larry When You Need Him?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

What was Marshall's first Benz?

> On May 30, 2017 at 6:10 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/cto/6150863379.html

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 138, Issue 228

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Thanks for asking.
Nothing worthy just yet. Been focused on putting up the new shop, and all
the prep work for that [engineering, permits, etc, etc.]  It is 120' x 70'
with 14' eve height. All the ground work is now done for that. Leveled 3
acres while I had the machinery on site to prep for the other 4 buildings
at the same time.

Once it's up, will be on the bus project pretty much full time so should
produce a flood of progress pics then
Stand by ... Mercedes bus to come.. ;)))  Then the 82 300CD restoration,
then all the other projects...


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On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 1:34 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Hey G-man, how's the bus project coming along?  Any piccies we can drool
> over?
>
> --FT
>
>
> On 5/30/17 4:33 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> True, but only TO the repair shop not away from the repair shop.
>>
>
> --
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> Winston Churchill:
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> large or petty,
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Re: [MBZ] OT: VW Wilton Wheels

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On May 30, 2017 at 6:08 PM Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> 
> On Tue, 30 May 2017 17:20:00 -0400 (EDT) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> > I didn't notice the rims at first:
> > https://68.media.tumblr.com/93680ae9293d74af93c1cb87ef18d7fd/tumblr_olvrtk9LLu1ttxfeno1_500.jpg
> 
> That page shows:
> - 


I can open that link from your msg in Firfox or Chrome.
Can you see this one?
http://thecoolgadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Cri-cri-all-electric-airplane-flying.jpg

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Re: [MBZ] One for Snook

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 30 May 2017 18:07:48 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Since you’re thinking about moving to Nashville?  Or Memphis?
> 
> https://nashville.craigslist.org/cto/6143179567.htm


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[MBZ] Where's Gay Larry When You Need Him?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/cto/6150863379.html

Interesting.  And it’s a diesel.

-D


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Re: [MBZ] This Looks Familiar

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Yup.


> On May 30, 2017, at 5:58 PM, MG via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> From your place to his?
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> I didn’t catch that either.
>> I rest my case about the guy’s integrity.
>> -D
>>> On May 30, 2017, at 4:36 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Somehow I missed the punch line, or maybe I didn't read the ad last night:
>>> "Driven 1300 miles with no issues."
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Re: [MBZ] OT: VW Wilton Wheels

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 30 May 2017 17:20:00 -0400 (EDT) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
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> I didn't notice the rims at first:
> https://68.media.tumblr.com/93680ae9293d74af93c1cb87ef18d7fd/tumblr_olvrtk9LLu1ttxfeno1_500.jpg

That page shows:

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[MBZ] One for Snook

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Since you’re thinking about moving to Nashville?  Or Memphis?

https://nashville.craigslist.org/cto/6143179567.htm

-D



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Re: [MBZ] Very nice 126

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Why would he put a K&N air filter on it?

RB

On 30/05/2017 4:41 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:

This looks pretty nice.  If I was in the market for a 126, I would be all over 
this.

Dan, are you still looking for a 126?

https://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/6148788595.html


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Re: [MBZ] This Looks Familiar

[MG via Mercedes]

From your place to his?

Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I didn’t catch that either.

I rest my case about the guy’s integrity.

-D



On May 30, 2017, at 4:36 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
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Somehow I missed the punch line, or maybe I didn't read the ad last night:
"Driven 1300 miles with no issues."

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Re: [MBZ] I hate these kits

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Chevette floorpan?
Never heard of that, or any unibody chassis being used for that matter. 
I think the Fiberfab Gazelle was a custom chassis with a Pinto drivetrain and 
suspension. 
Mitch. 
> On May 30, 2017 at 5:43 PM Donald Snook via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> These are the worst.  AND its built on a Chevette body?
> 
> https://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/6148904850.html
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 138, Issue 228

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> On May 30, 2017 at 5:37 PM OK Don via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> 
> If you are replying to my comment about a fun to drive AMG 600, then it was
> tongue-in-cheek. You are correct - couldn't afford to drive one . . . even
> my airplane is probably cheaper to operate.

Well, most old guys with twin engines have bigger planes than yours...
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/66/b5/28/66b5288d7db67a40a80fface54282350.jpg

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Re: [MBZ] Very nice 126

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Temps don’t exceed 100F here.  For that matter, it has never reached 100F in 
Tampa and most of Florida since they started keeping records of temperatures.

And my W126 is black.  Doesn’t seem to make a bit of difference to me.  I get 
45F vent temperatures, it’s plenty cool inside.

-D


> On May 30, 2017, at 5:49 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Nope, it's black - not an acceptable color where the temps exceed 100F
> 
> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 4:47 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Looks nice, but no vergassers.
>> 
>> I’m currently looking for a finnie, nothing else.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 30, 2017, at 5:41 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> This looks pretty nice.  If I was in the market for a 126, I would be
>> all over this.
>>> 
>>> Dan, are you still looking for a 126?
>>> 
>>> https://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/6148788595.html
>>> 
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> -- 
> OK Don
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> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> 
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
> 
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> 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Seller in over their head

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Looks mildly thrashed for its age with the rust spot and tired upholstery, but 
they’re not that far off the mark.

Worst model year you could choose, though.  I’ve seen a lot of these as toast 
in Florida.  The combination of the under hood cats and aging fuel injection 
hoses makes for a very, very nasty combination.

-D


> On May 30, 2017, at 5:39 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
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> https://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/6143514386.html
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Old house projects

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On May 30, 2017 at 5:33 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> What is the fuel burn per hour alone?

On a couple of 5000hp turbines?
A bit more than your 240D...

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Re: [MBZ] Very nice 126

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Nope, it's black - not an acceptable color where the temps exceed 100F

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 4:47 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Looks nice, but no vergassers.
>
> I’m currently looking for a finnie, nothing else.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -D
>
>
> > On May 30, 2017, at 5:41 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > This looks pretty nice.  If I was in the market for a 126, I would be
> all over this.
> >
> > Dan, are you still looking for a 126?
> >
> > https://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/6148788595.html
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] I hate these kits

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

You can’t imagine how many of these I see for sale on my daily national 
Craigslist search when I’m looking for finnies.  Lots and lots, maybe 10-12 in 
a day’s search.

-D


> On May 30, 2017, at 5:43 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> These are the worst.  AND its built on a Chevette body?
> 
> https://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/6148904850.html
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT BMW diagnosis Question

[MG via Mercedes]

It could be. I've had that showing on the Toyota for something 
like 5 or 6 years now after it rolled. They repaired everything 
but the light came on about 5-6 months after that. I've replaced 
the the cap and it didn't help so it is probably the hoses 
somewhere at the tank. I gave up trying to find it and just left 
it. Hasn't caused any problems.


Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:

My 2000 BMW 740iL has the Service Engine Soon light on.   I went to Autozone 
and had them check it.  It was the evap emission code and their system said 
check the gas cap.  I know that's a common fault for some people.  But, I 
checked it and my gas cap was on tight.  I took it off and put it back on 
again.  But, the light is still on. I took it on a 100 mile round trip thinking 
it might have to reset after so many cycles/miles.   It is still on.

Could the gas cap be bad?

Don Snook
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Re: [MBZ] Very nice 126

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Looks nice, but no vergassers.

I’m currently looking for a finnie, nothing else.

Thanks!

-D


> On May 30, 2017, at 5:41 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> This looks pretty nice.  If I was in the market for a 126, I would be all 
> over this.
> 
> Dan, are you still looking for a 126?
> 
> https://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/6148788595.html
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Solar update

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Run 110v down to the pond to a 12v battery with a battery charger? Easier to 
push than to pull I think. We had a 110v pump up at the pond once that could 
suck that high but it took a lot of priming to get it to do so.
Theres maybe an 18' elevation change from the pond to the camp, we'll want to 
go up to the garage so another 10' or so...
-Curt

  From: Mitch Haley 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 5:37 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Solar update
   
12v sump pump in a floating cage, feeding a 5/8" garden hose?
Naw, too much voltage drop running a 12v motor that far from the cabin...
Can you get a self priming 12v pump that can suck all the way from the pond?
Mitch. 

> On May 30, 2017 at 5:22 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> Oh I should also mention that we're pulling from the pond, not a well so we 
> don't need the pump output we would otherwise.
> -Curt
>


   
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[MBZ] I hate these kits

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

These are the worst.  AND its built on a Chevette body?

https://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/6148904850.html

Don Snook
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Re: [MBZ] OT mayor rumdum's town

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Knock it off  - this is a political commentary.

List Mom


> On May 30, 2017, at 5:24 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Imagine if the last 4 weekends, the toll of dead/wounded in iraq or 
> afganistan waa
> 6/25
> 6/15
> 4/34
> 5/49
> The media would be in a tizzy showing flag draped coffins and endless panels  
> on the tube about what has gone wrong with our wars.
> But it is not iraq or afganistan or any other country.
> 
> 
> This is the toll of dead/wounded in Chit ca go under Mayor rumdum immanuel:
> 6/25
> 6/15
> 4/34 including one 9 yr old
> 5/49
> Does it look familiar?   21 dead in chit ca go only on weekends in May.  With 
> about 125 wounded.
> 
> But nothing is said because mayor rumdum is a barry boy.
> 
> 235 for the year to date.  Nice record Mayor!   The mayors office is all 
> excited because the number of wounded is almist half of last year's record 
> for the Memorial Weekend, and the batting average is up to 200.
> 
> 
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[MBZ] Very nice 126

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

This looks pretty nice.  If I was in the market for a 126, I would be all over 
this.

Dan, are you still looking for a 126?

https://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/6148788595.html


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Re: [MBZ] Poosing the Paints

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

You guys are doing this all wrong if it’s taking you more than 45 minutes to an 
hour to clay bar a whole car.  In most cases I’m done in 30 minutes.

Knead the clay into a flat piece about 2” x 3”.  Spray down an area about 2’ x 
2’ on the roof of the car, for example.  Just wet it, it doesn’t have to be 
soaking.

With the clay flat on the surface, move it back and forth the long dimension of 
the car with your fingers flat on the clay, moving from the center to the 
outside or vice versa.  Doesn’t matter where you start.  You don’t have to 
apply pressure, just make sure as much of the clay is in contact with the 
surface as possible.  If you feel the clay dragging or catching on the finish, 
you need more lubricant - just give it a spritz where it’s dragging to wet the 
surface down more.

When you have finished the area, flip the clay over and use the remaining clean 
side to do the next section.  When you’re done, fold the clay over onto itself 
several times and knead it out into another flat piece to expose a clean 
surface.

You should be able to do the roof with four turns, that is, only having to 
fold/knead the clay twice.

You can form the clay to fit in between trim or narrow areas of the paint.  
I’ll also run it along the edges of seals and weatherstripping where they meet 
the painted surfaces as well.

If the clay is dirty looking, fold it over several times, knead it out, make 
another flat piece and go at it.

Vertical surfaces usually don’t benefit that much from a clay bar, as they 
don’t accumulate near as much dirt as a horizontal surface does.  Unless a 
finish is really, really dirty, I rarely clay bar the doors or fenders.  I’ll 
hit one spot and see if I can tell a difference to determine whether or not to 
do it.

You can run your fingers across the (dry) surface of the paint on a “before” 
and “after” area of the car and you’ll know exactly how well it did.  There’s 
also what’s known as the ‘plastic bag test” that uses a plastic bag from 
WalMart or any other retailer that uses the disposable plastic bags to run over 
the surface, as they will “catch” on a dirty surface as well.  I’ve found my 
fingers do just fine and I don’t have to worry about tossing them in the trash 
or recycling them when I’m done.

-D



> On May 30, 2017, at 3:57 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> I tried using the clay bar once and resolved never to do this again.  Way too 
> painstaking.
> 
> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 12:02 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> I second the suggestion to use a Clay Bar.   I have tried it on a several 
> cars and it made a HUGE difference.  The paint afterward is smooth and slick 
> and this was even before putting any kind of wax on it.  All the warnings 
> about using a clay bar are very important.   Divide your bar into several 
> smaller pieces so if you drop it on the ground, you throw it away!  Make sure 
> you have some sort of lubricant -- whether it’s a specific clay bar solution 
> or just some nice soapy water.   It takes a long time, but it is well worth 
> it!
> 
> Don Snook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Dan Penoff [mailto:d...@penoff.com ]
> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 3:39 PM
> To: Mercedes List mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Poosing the Paints
> 
> Wash it, clay bar it, then put a good coat of quality wax on it and be done.
> 
> The extreme finish recoveries I’ve done are outliers.  It’s very, very rare 
> that you’ll ever need to do something that extreme.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> > On May 26, 2017, at 4:33 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> >
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> > clearcoat) that look like they might fail before long but otherwise no 
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[MBZ] Seller in over their head

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

https://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/6143514386.html

Don Snook
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Solar update

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

12v sump pump in a floating cage, feeding a 5/8" garden hose?
Naw, too much voltage drop running a 12v motor that far from the cabin...
Can you get a self priming 12v pump that can suck all the way from the pond?
Mitch. 

> On May 30, 2017 at 5:22 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
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> Oh I should also mention that we're pulling from the pond, not a well so we 
> don't need the pump output we would otherwise.
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 138, Issue 228

[OK Don via Mercedes]

If you are replying to my comment about a fun to drive AMG 600, then it was
tongue-in-cheek. You are correct - couldn't afford to drive one . . . even
my airplane is probably cheaper to operate.

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 4:06 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
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> I meant for my original email to say CANNOT.  In other words, you better
> be a mechanic or rich if you want to drive a 12 cyl MB.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Old house projects

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

What is the fuel burn per hour alone?

RB

On 30/05/2017 4:31 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

What's the hourly rate on a really big Sikorsky?

On May 30, 2017 at 4:49 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote:


You could air freight it and still come out ahead.


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Re: [MBZ] OT mayor rumdum's town

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

But, the bad guys mostly kill or wound each other don't they?  No 
shortage of bad guys so most folks are not anxious to pay for more 
security to reduce the numbers of bad guys dropping dead.
And, Chicago area has, what, 8 to 10 million people so a half dozen on a 
weekend is a very small percentage - one would hardly notice 6 fewer bad 
guys.


RB who does not have any plans to live in Chicago

On 30/05/2017 4:24 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:



Imagine if the last 4 weekends, the toll of dead/wounded in iraq or 
afganistan waa

6/25
6/15
4/34
5/49
 The media would be in a tizzy showing flag draped coffins and endless 
panels  on the tube about what has gone wrong with our wars.

But it is not iraq or afganistan or any other country.


This is the toll of dead/wounded in Chit ca go under Mayor rumdum 
immanuel:

6/25
6/15
4/34 including one 9 yr old
5/49
Does it look familiar?   21 dead in chit ca go only on weekends in 
May.  With about 125 wounded.


But nothing is said because mayor rumdum is a barry boy.

235 for the year to date.  Nice record Mayor!   The mayors office is 
all excited because the number of wounded is almist half of last 
year's record for the Memorial Weekend, and the batting average is up 
to 200.





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Re: [MBZ] OT Old house projects

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

What's the hourly rate on a really big Sikorsky? 
> On May 30, 2017 at 4:49 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> You could air freight it and still come out ahead.
>

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[MBZ] OT mayor rumdum's town

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Imagine if the last 4 weekends, the toll of dead/wounded in iraq or 
afganistan waa

6/25
6/15
4/34
5/49
 The media would be in a tizzy showing flag draped coffins and endless 
panels  on the tube about what has gone wrong with our wars.

But it is not iraq or afganistan or any other country.


This is the toll of dead/wounded in Chit ca go under Mayor rumdum immanuel:
6/25
6/15
4/34 including one 9 yr old
5/49
Does it look familiar?   21 dead in chit ca go only on weekends in May.  
With about 125 wounded.


But nothing is said because mayor rumdum is a barry boy.

235 for the year to date.  Nice record Mayor!   The mayors office is all 
excited because the number of wounded is almist half of last year's 
record for the Memorial Weekend, and the batting average is up to 200.





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Re: [MBZ] OT: Solar update

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

The hassle of getting out the generator, getting it started, pumping the water, 
putting it away... We could set up a permanent generator station and in fact we 
probably will at some point but this should work with less energy input.
If you change your mindset from a normal household pump this idea works better, 
a lower capacity pump running longer to fill a larger tank that then gravity 
feeds. The goal here is not to have water running out of a tap but to be able 
to fill buckets from the porch and just bring them into the camp.
Oh I should also mention that we're pulling from the pond, not a well so we 
don't need the pump output we would otherwise.
-Curt

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Cc: OK Don 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 5:10 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Solar update
   
Why not just run a small generator when you need to pump water? Should be
simpler than running a 115v motor from solar/batteries.

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Tue, 30 May 2017 07:09:04 -0700 Jim Cathey via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > LED lights have gotten there, IMHO.  I hope that all of your lighting is
> > non-incandescent.  If not, that'd help.  Fans and pumps you can't do
> > much about.
>
> What about the power-factor controllers for inductive loads?
>
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[MBZ] OT: VW Wilton Wheels

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I didn't notice the rims at first:
https://68.media.tumblr.com/93680ae9293d74af93c1cb87ef18d7fd/tumblr_olvrtk9LLu1ttxfeno1_500.jpg

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Solar update

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Back in the 50's cottagers on Lake of the Woods had water towers with 
big galvanized tanks on top (or had the tank on the roof of the 
cottage). They would use a gasoline engine powered pump to fill the tank 
periodically from the lake and then gravity would provide water in the 
cottage sink and shower etc. A further advantage was that the water got 
quite warm on a summer day so not much heating was required if one 
showered in the evening rather than the morning.


RB

On 30/05/2017 4:10 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

Why not just run a small generator when you need to pump water? Should be
simpler than running a 115v motor from solar/batteries.

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:


On Tue, 30 May 2017 07:09:04 -0700 Jim Cathey via Mercedes
 wrote:


LED lights have gotten there, IMHO.  I hope that all of your lighting is
non-incandescent.  If not, that'd help.  Fans and pumps you can't do
much about.

What about the power-factor controllers for inductive loads?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Solar update

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Why not just run a small generator when you need to pump water? Should be
simpler than running a 115v motor from solar/batteries.

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Tue, 30 May 2017 07:09:04 -0700 Jim Cathey via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > LED lights have gotten there, IMHO.  I hope that all of your lighting is
> > non-incandescent.  If not, that'd help.  Fans and pumps you can't do
> > much about.
>
> What about the power-factor controllers for inductive loads?
>
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 138, Issue 228

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

OR anything else with 12 cylinders.

RB

On 30/05/2017 4:06 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:

I meant for my original email to say CANNOT.  In other words, you better be a 
mechanic or rich if you want to drive a 12 cyl MB.

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True, but only TO the repair shop not away from the repair shop.


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I thought the conventional wisdom was a normal person can afford to drive
a 12 Cyl. MB.   That's what my mechanic always told me.


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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 138, Issue 228

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

I meant for my original email to say CANNOT.  In other words, you better be a 
mechanic or rich if you want to drive a 12 cyl MB. 

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True, but only TO the repair shop not away from the repair shop.


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> I thought the conventional wisdom was a normal person can afford to drive
> a 12 Cyl. MB.   That's what my mechanic always told me.
>
>
> Donald H. Snook
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[MBZ] Way beyond OT - Replacing CA avocado groves with coffee plantations

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I just had to share this mind-boggling little news clip.
MEET THE CALIF. COFFEE CRAZE

Southern California avocado groves are finding economic revitalization in
coffee.

Farmers are confronting a problem of aging avocado trees in the region that
are producing less fruit. At the same time, many also are noting the ways
climate change is threatening to damage coffee crops in traditional export
areas. Southern California-grown coffee, many believe, is an answer to both
problems.

"You have colder nights and warmer days pretty consistently, and the
temperature rarely gets close to freezing," Willem Boot, a consultant to
the coffee industry, said of the California southern coast climate, which
he said is ideal for growing the beans.

Even Grammy Award-winning singer and songwriter Jason Mraz is getting in on
the California coffee craze. Mraz, who planted about 2,500 coffee bushes on
a 1,700-acre farm currently serving as an avocado grove in San Diego, said
he expects to produce his first significant coffee crop in about two years.

"I started my career in a coffeehouse, and I love the coffee culture," he
said. "I knew right away that California coffee could be special"
(Stephanie Strom, *New York Times*
,
May 26)
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Re: [MBZ] OT Old house projects

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

You could air freight it and still come out ahead.

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 4:48 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Tue, 30 May 2017 15:31:50 -0500 Randy Bennell via Mercedes
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>
> > But, how much for a good sized vacant lot in McLean VA?
>
> And how much to move it the 1172 miles to McLean?
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Old house projects

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On Tue, 30 May 2017 15:31:50 -0500 Randy Bennell via Mercedes
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> But, how much for a good sized vacant lot in McLean VA?

And how much to move it the 1172 miles to McLean?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Poosing the Paints

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On the other hand, I was trying to get it done as quickly as possible.

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 4:42 PM, Donald Snook  wrote:

> I really didn't think it was that bad.  It took me a long time because I
> was trying to make it perfect.  On the first pass, I could tell it was
> working.
>
> Don Snook
>
> -Original Message-
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Poosing the Paints
>
> I tried using the clay bar once and resolved never to do this again.  Way
> too painstaking.
>
> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 12:02 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I second the suggestion to use a Clay Bar.   I have tried it on a several
> > cars and it made a HUGE difference.  The paint afterward is smooth and
> > slick and this was even before putting any kind of wax on it.  All the
> > warnings about using a clay bar are very important.   Divide your bar
> into
> > several smaller pieces so if you drop it on the ground, you throw it
> away!
> > Make sure you have some sort of lubricant -- whether it’s a specific clay
> > bar solution or just some nice soapy water.   It takes a long time, but
> it
> > is well worth it!
> >
> > Don Snook
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Dan Penoff [mailto:d...@penoff.com]
> > Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 3:39 PM
> > To: Mercedes List 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Poosing the Paints
> >
> > Wash it, clay bar it, then put a good coat of quality wax on it and be
> > done.
> >
> > The extreme finish recoveries I’ve done are outliers.  It’s very, very
> > rare that you’ll ever need to do something that extreme.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >
> > > On May 26, 2017, at 4:33 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm going to wash it in the morning and I'll take some pics.  It
> > > looks
> > like mostly carwash scratching and fading in general, it is all over
> > the car, just dull.  There might be a few spots of clearcoat (I'm
> > pretty sure it has clearcoat) that look like they might fail before
> > long but otherwise no failures.
> > >
> > > --FT
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Re: [MBZ] OT BMW diagnosis Question

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Yes, your cap might not seal any more, or a line could be leaking in the evap 
system, or...

Did you write down the OBDII code number for the fault?

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Re: [MBZ] Poosing the Paints

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

I really didn't think it was that bad.  It took me a long time because I was 
trying to make it perfect.  On the first pass, I could tell it was working.   

Don Snook 

-Original Message-
From: Andrew Strasfogel [mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 2:58 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Dan Penoff ; Donald Snook 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Poosing the Paints

I tried using the clay bar once and resolved never to do this again.  Way too 
painstaking.

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 12:02 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes < 
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I second the suggestion to use a Clay Bar.   I have tried it on a several
> cars and it made a HUGE difference.  The paint afterward is smooth and 
> slick and this was even before putting any kind of wax on it.  All the
> warnings about using a clay bar are very important.   Divide your bar into
> several smaller pieces so if you drop it on the ground, you throw it away!
> Make sure you have some sort of lubricant -- whether it’s a specific clay
> bar solution or just some nice soapy water.   It takes a long time, but it
> is well worth it!
>
> Don Snook
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dan Penoff [mailto:d...@penoff.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 3:39 PM
> To: Mercedes List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Poosing the Paints
>
> Wash it, clay bar it, then put a good coat of quality wax on it and be 
> done.
>
> The extreme finish recoveries I’ve done are outliers.  It’s very, very 
> rare that you’ll ever need to do something that extreme.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On May 26, 2017, at 4:33 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I'm going to wash it in the morning and I'll take some pics.  It 
> > looks
> like mostly carwash scratching and fading in general, it is all over 
> the car, just dull.  There might be a few spots of clearcoat (I'm 
> pretty sure it has clearcoat) that look like they might fail before 
> long but otherwise no failures.
> >
> > --FT
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] This Looks Familiar

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I didn’t catch that either.

I rest my case about the guy’s integrity.

-D


> On May 30, 2017, at 4:36 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Somehow I missed the punch line, or maybe I didn't read the ad last night:
> "Driven 1300 miles with no issues."
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Re: [MBZ] I need to pay for my meth and can only afford Walmart tires.

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

$10k is psycho money for that car in its current condition.

It’s been resprayed, at least around the radiator support, as you can see where 
there are parts that have been masked off.  They would be standard black if 
they were original.  Hinges and sills are correct, so whoever repainted it 
either did a very thorough job or that’s the original color.

Not a bad looking car, but things like the corrosion on the battery terminals 
tells me this has not been maintained as well as the seller might suggest.

-D

 
> On May 30, 2017, at 3:59 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Good point.  If the owner repainted with a "pretty close to matching red"
> color then the value plummets.
> 
> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Under the hood does not look like the same color as the exterior of the
>> car. The exterior looks to be about the same as my 76 300D.
>> 
>> RB
>> 
>> 
>> On 30/05/2017 11:10 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>>> It is a crazy price.  But, I love these 250 coupes.   That can't be the
>>> original paint, can it?  My 71 250 was RED like sports car red. This looks
>>> like a much more modern red.   I still like it.
>>> 
>>> Don Snook
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Kaleb C. Striplin [mailto:ka...@striplin.net]
>>> Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2017 8:01 PM
>>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> Subject: [MBZ] I need to pay for my meth and can only afford Walmart
>>> tires.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 1971 Mercedes 250c
>>> http://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/6150781811.html
>>> 
>>> via cPro for Craigslist
>>> iOS: http://tinyurl.com/cPro-iDevice
>>> Android: http://tinyurl.com/CL-Android
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] This Looks Familiar

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Somehow I missed the punch line, or maybe I didn't read the ad last night:
"Driven 1300 miles with no issues."

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 138, Issue 228

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Hey G-man, how's the bus project coming along?  Any piccies we can drool 
over?


--FT


On 5/30/17 4:33 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

True, but only TO the repair shop not away from the repair shop.


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Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Old house projects

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

A buddy of mine had a scheme to move this old church from Sullivans 
Island to Mt. Plastic (where Max lives), had the structure movers and a 
huge barge all lined up, then for some reasons not entirely clear 
(various Town Fathers got upset maybe) he decided not to do it and built 
onto it instead, turning the church into Castle Mugdock.  He spared no 
expense on the work, it is amazing craftsmanship throughout.  I think 
him to be mildly insane but in his mind it made perfect sense, and was 
quite intriguing from an engineering standpoint.


it is quite a place, you can rent it for a week or a month or buy it if 
you want, he would entertain offers.  It is an awesome party venue, he 
hosts plays and debates and various other things there in the "great 
room."  Another friend did the stone carving for the fireplace (it will 
run you out of the place when it is cranked up).
http://www.castlemugdock.com/


==FT


On 5/30/17 4:24 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

Fix it up, then jack it up and move it to McLean, VA.  Flip for $2 mm.

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 4:22 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:


That is a gorgeous old house.  Reminds me of my second
fixer-upper, an old Victorian.  I have no idea what a "fixed-up"
value would be on it but it looks like 2 bathrooms and a kitchen
would need to be upgraded.  The rest looks mostly cosmetic,
stripping, paint, etc. and sand the floors and refinish. I'm sure
the wiring is ancient, the plumbing too, so that would need to be
upgraded.  These are all spendy things. How's the roof and paint? 
I'm presuming no insulation anywhere you can do blow-in for that. 
If windows are also original you would probably want at least new

sashes with double ("bulletproof") glass, those can go into the
existing frames and work very nicely.  And whatever the foundation
issues are, those can likely be addressed fairly easily with some
footers and jacks as long as there is not a lot of rot in the
sills and joists, we have foundation services all over the place
here that do that sort of thing.

If I was doing it I'd probably be looking at $25k in materials
easy for the bathrooms/kitchen, wiring and plumbing might add up. 
It would be easy to dump $100k into it if you wanted a nice place,

but the market probably suggests cheaping out and basically
abandoning a beautiful old house to turn it into a cheap rental or
something. Kinda like a cheap Mercedes...

Not knowing Mao's skills and tenacity, it might be beyond a
weekender kind of project, which is a shame.  If Mao is capable of
doing some serious work on it (like the electrical and plumbing)
then maybe you could work something out, buy materials and pay him
some rate to work on it.

-- 
--FT

Winston Churchill:
“Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or
small, large or petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming
might of the enemy.”

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Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 138, Issue 228

[G Mann via Mercedes]

True, but only TO the repair shop not away from the repair shop.


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> I thought the conventional wisdom was a normal person can afford to drive
> a 12 Cyl. MB.   That's what my mechanic always told me.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Old house projects

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Don't forget the granite countertops and stainless steel appliances 
(unless it takes 10 years to renovate in which case those will be passed 
their best before date)


RB

On 30/05/2017 3:22 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
That is a gorgeous old house.  Reminds me of my second fixer-upper, an 
old Victorian.  I have no idea what a "fixed-up" value would be on it 
but it looks like 2 bathrooms and a kitchen would need to be 
upgraded.  The rest looks mostly cosmetic, stripping, paint, etc. and 
sand the floors and refinish.  I'm sure the wiring is ancient, the 
plumbing too, so that would need to be upgraded.  These are all spendy 
things.  How's the roof and paint?  I'm presuming no insulation 
anywhere you can do blow-in for that.  If windows are also original 
you would probably want at least new sashes with double 
("bulletproof") glass, those can go into the existing frames and work 
very nicely.  And whatever the foundation issues are, those can likely 
be addressed fairly easily with some footers and jacks as long as 
there is not a lot of rot in the sills and joists, we have foundation 
services all over the place here that do that sort of thing.


If I was doing it I'd probably be looking at $25k in materials easy 
for the bathrooms/kitchen, wiring and plumbing might add up. It would 
be easy to dump $100k into it if you wanted a nice place, but the 
market probably suggests cheaping out and basically abandoning a 
beautiful old house to turn it into a cheap rental or something. Kinda 
like a cheap Mercedes...


Not knowing Mao's skills and tenacity, it might be beyond a weekender 
kind of project, which is a shame.  If Mao is capable of doing some 
serious work on it (like the electrical and plumbing) then maybe you 
could work something out, buy materials and pay him some rate to work 
on it.





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Re: [MBZ] OT Old house projects

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

But, how much for a good sized vacant lot in McLean VA?

RB


On 30/05/2017 3:24 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Fix it up, then jack it up and move it to McLean, VA.  Flip for $2 mm.

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 4:22 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


That is a gorgeous old house.  Reminds me of my second fixer-upper, an old
Victorian.  I have no idea what a "fixed-up" value would be on it but it
looks like 2 bathrooms and a kitchen would need to be upgraded.  The rest
looks mostly cosmetic, stripping, paint, etc. and sand the floors and
refinish.  I'm sure the wiring is ancient, the plumbing too, so that would
need to be upgraded.  These are all spendy things.  How's the roof and
paint?  I'm presuming no insulation anywhere you can do blow-in for that.
If windows are also original you would probably want at least new sashes
with double ("bulletproof") glass, those can go into the existing frames
and work very nicely.  And whatever the foundation issues are, those can
likely be addressed fairly easily with some footers and jacks as long as
there is not a lot of rot in the sills and joists, we have foundation
services all over the place here that do that sort of thing.

If I was doing it I'd probably be looking at $25k in materials easy for
the bathrooms/kitchen, wiring and plumbing might add up.  It would be easy
to dump $100k into it if you wanted a nice place, but the market probably
suggests cheaping out and basically abandoning a beautiful old house to
turn it into a cheap rental or something. Kinda like a cheap Mercedes...

Not knowing Mao's skills and tenacity, it might be beyond a weekender kind
of project, which is a shame.  If Mao is capable of doing some serious work
on it (like the electrical and plumbing) then maybe you could work
something out, buy materials and pay him some rate to work on it.

--
--FT
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“Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small,
large or petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of
the enemy.”

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Re: [MBZ] OT Old house projects

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Fix it up, then jack it up and move it to McLean, VA.  Flip for $2 mm.

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 4:22 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> That is a gorgeous old house.  Reminds me of my second fixer-upper, an old
> Victorian.  I have no idea what a "fixed-up" value would be on it but it
> looks like 2 bathrooms and a kitchen would need to be upgraded.  The rest
> looks mostly cosmetic, stripping, paint, etc. and sand the floors and
> refinish.  I'm sure the wiring is ancient, the plumbing too, so that would
> need to be upgraded.  These are all spendy things.  How's the roof and
> paint?  I'm presuming no insulation anywhere you can do blow-in for that.
> If windows are also original you would probably want at least new sashes
> with double ("bulletproof") glass, those can go into the existing frames
> and work very nicely.  And whatever the foundation issues are, those can
> likely be addressed fairly easily with some footers and jacks as long as
> there is not a lot of rot in the sills and joists, we have foundation
> services all over the place here that do that sort of thing.
>
> If I was doing it I'd probably be looking at $25k in materials easy for
> the bathrooms/kitchen, wiring and plumbing might add up.  It would be easy
> to dump $100k into it if you wanted a nice place, but the market probably
> suggests cheaping out and basically abandoning a beautiful old house to
> turn it into a cheap rental or something. Kinda like a cheap Mercedes...
>
> Not knowing Mao's skills and tenacity, it might be beyond a weekender kind
> of project, which is a shame.  If Mao is capable of doing some serious work
> on it (like the electrical and plumbing) then maybe you could work
> something out, buy materials and pay him some rate to work on it.
>
> --
> --FT
> Winston Churchill:
> “Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small,
> large or petty,
> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of
> the enemy.”
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Re: [MBZ] OT Old house projects

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

That is a gorgeous old house.  Reminds me of my second fixer-upper, an 
old Victorian.  I have no idea what a "fixed-up" value would be on it 
but it looks like 2 bathrooms and a kitchen would need to be upgraded.  
The rest looks mostly cosmetic, stripping, paint, etc. and sand the 
floors and refinish.  I'm sure the wiring is ancient, the plumbing too, 
so that would need to be upgraded.  These are all spendy things.  How's 
the roof and paint?  I'm presuming no insulation anywhere you can do 
blow-in for that.  If windows are also original you would probably want 
at least new sashes with double ("bulletproof") glass, those can go into 
the existing frames and work very nicely.  And whatever the foundation 
issues are, those can likely be addressed fairly easily with some 
footers and jacks as long as there is not a lot of rot in the sills and 
joists, we have foundation services all over the place here that do that 
sort of thing.


If I was doing it I'd probably be looking at $25k in materials easy for 
the bathrooms/kitchen, wiring and plumbing might add up.  It would be 
easy to dump $100k into it if you wanted a nice place, but the market 
probably suggests cheaping out and basically abandoning a beautiful old 
house to turn it into a cheap rental or something. Kinda like a cheap 
Mercedes...


Not knowing Mao's skills and tenacity, it might be beyond a weekender 
kind of project, which is a shame.  If Mao is capable of doing some 
serious work on it (like the electrical and plumbing) then maybe you 
could work something out, buy materials and pay him some rate to work on it.


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or petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] I need to pay for my meth and can only afford Walmart tires.

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Good point.  If the owner repainted with a "pretty close to matching red"
color then the value plummets.

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Under the hood does not look like the same color as the exterior of the
> car. The exterior looks to be about the same as my 76 300D.
>
> RB
>
>
> On 30/05/2017 11:10 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> It is a crazy price.  But, I love these 250 coupes.   That can't be the
>> original paint, can it?  My 71 250 was RED like sports car red. This looks
>> like a much more modern red.   I still like it.
>>
>> Don Snook
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Kaleb C. Striplin [mailto:ka...@striplin.net]
>> Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2017 8:01 PM
>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Subject: [MBZ] I need to pay for my meth and can only afford Walmart
>> tires.
>>
>>
>>
>> 1971 Mercedes 250c
>> http://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/6150781811.html
>>
>> via cPro for Craigslist
>> iOS: http://tinyurl.com/cPro-iDevice
>> Android: http://tinyurl.com/CL-Android
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Poosing the Paints

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I tried using the clay bar once and resolved never to do this again.  Way
too painstaking.

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 12:02 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I second the suggestion to use a Clay Bar.   I have tried it on a several
> cars and it made a HUGE difference.  The paint afterward is smooth and
> slick and this was even before putting any kind of wax on it.  All the
> warnings about using a clay bar are very important.   Divide your bar into
> several smaller pieces so if you drop it on the ground, you throw it away!
> Make sure you have some sort of lubricant -- whether it’s a specific clay
> bar solution or just some nice soapy water.   It takes a long time, but it
> is well worth it!
>
> Don Snook
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dan Penoff [mailto:d...@penoff.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 3:39 PM
> To: Mercedes List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Poosing the Paints
>
> Wash it, clay bar it, then put a good coat of quality wax on it and be
> done.
>
> The extreme finish recoveries I’ve done are outliers.  It’s very, very
> rare that you’ll ever need to do something that extreme.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On May 26, 2017, at 4:33 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I'm going to wash it in the morning and I'll take some pics.  It looks
> like mostly carwash scratching and fading in general, it is all over the
> car, just dull.  There might be a few spots of clearcoat (I'm pretty sure
> it has clearcoat) that look like they might fail before long but otherwise
> no failures.
> >
> > --FT
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT BMW diagnosis Question

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Did they turn the light off and did it then come back on shortly after 
you started to drive it?


I think that if it is the gas cap, and you have tightened it,  you may 
have to drive it several times before the system resets itself.


RB

On 30/05/2017 2:22 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:

My 2000 BMW 740iL has the Service Engine Soon light on.   I went to Autozone 
and had them check it.  It was the evap emission code and their system said 
check the gas cap.  I know that's a common fault for some people.  But, I 
checked it and my gas cap was on tight.  I took it off and put it back on 
again.  But, the light is still on. I took it on a 100 mile round trip thinking 
it might have to reset after so many cycles/miles.   It is still on.

Could the gas cap be bad?

Don Snook
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Re: [MBZ] OT Old house projects

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Old and big. Likely not well insulated. Old Windows as noted by Kaleb. 
Expensive to heat and cool which may be why it has been abandoned by its 
owners.


RB

On 30/05/2017 2:29 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:

Could be a fantastic beautiful home or a moneypit.One thing I'm sure you 
know is houses of this age used REAL WOOD.  Slow growth trees that are as hard 
as iron.  The bones of the house are probably still good.  A foundation issue 
would scare me a little.  It would definitely be a long term project.  Would 
you try to restore and flip? Or turn it into a rental? Or several apartments?

Don Snook

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Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 6:06 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: [MBZ] OT Old house projects

I was scrolling thru local listings the other day out of curiosity on the wifes 
MLS login.  Anyway, I saw this house in town and it looked interesting.  I had 
her show it to me today. It is going to need a LOT of work but it has a lot of 
potential. It is really a neat old house with impressive wood work and detail 
you do not see anymore.  Alot or most of the wood along the edge of the roof 
which attaches to the ends of the roof studs (not sure what you call it) as 
well as sofet (sp) is rotted and will require replacement.  Floors are uneven 
in some spots as you would expect in an old house and that does not really 
concern me much.  All of the windows in the house are the old original wood 
framed windows and have storm windows installed on the outside.  These are 
these big old windows you dont see in houses anymore.  Wife says they all need 
to be replaced but I told her these unlike new windows can be repaired, or so I 
think.  Just need to to have all the old paint scraped out, remo

ve the old putty that holds the glass in and replace.  No they are probably not 
as efficient as new windows.  On one side of the house they have 2 or 3 huge 
concrete pillars/supports of some sort which butt up against the foundation, 
almost sort of like buttresses on a cathedral.  The only thing I can figure is 
the foundation started pushing out like it does on old houses and these were 
installed to hold it in.  I have seen other old houses where they have drilled 
holes in the header plate or foundation with cables stretched across from one 
side of the house to the other attached to metal plates on the outside of the 
house which can then be tightened as needed to adjust the foundation. The other 
side of the house looks like its going to need attention as there is a section 
above the concrete/brick foundation that is starting to move out.  Obviously 
will need a lot of cosmetics as well.  Since its a forclosure in need of a lot 
of work I thought about offering no more than $15k, and t
urning it into a long term project.

Crazy probably but interesting yes.

https://www.zillow.com/homes/350-s-cedar-nowata-ok_rb/



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Re: [MBZ] OT Old house projects

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

Could be a fantastic beautiful home or a moneypit.One thing I'm sure you 
know is houses of this age used REAL WOOD.  Slow growth trees that are as hard 
as iron.  The bones of the house are probably still good.  A foundation issue 
would scare me a little.  It would definitely be a long term project.  Would 
you try to restore and flip? Or turn it into a rental? Or several apartments?  

Don Snook 

-Original Message-
From: Kaleb C. Striplin [mailto:ka...@striplin.net] 
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 6:06 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: [MBZ] OT Old house projects

I was scrolling thru local listings the other day out of curiosity on the wifes 
MLS login.  Anyway, I saw this house in town and it looked interesting.  I had 
her show it to me today. It is going to need a LOT of work but it has a lot of 
potential. It is really a neat old house with impressive wood work and detail 
you do not see anymore.  Alot or most of the wood along the edge of the roof 
which attaches to the ends of the roof studs (not sure what you call it) as 
well as sofet (sp) is rotted and will require replacement.  Floors are uneven 
in some spots as you would expect in an old house and that does not really 
concern me much.  All of the windows in the house are the old original wood 
framed windows and have storm windows installed on the outside.  These are 
these big old windows you dont see in houses anymore.  Wife says they all need 
to be replaced but I told her these unlike new windows can be repaired, or so I 
think.  Just need to to have all the old paint scraped out, remove
  the old putty that holds the glass in and replace.  No they are probably not 
as efficient as new windows.  On one side of the house they have 2 or 3 huge 
concrete pillars/supports of some sort which butt up against the foundation, 
almost sort of like buttresses on a cathedral.  The only thing I can figure is 
the foundation started pushing out like it does on old houses and these were 
installed to hold it in.  I have seen other old houses where they have drilled 
holes in the header plate or foundation with cables stretched across from one 
side of the house to the other attached to metal plates on the outside of the 
house which can then be tightened as needed to adjust the foundation. The other 
side of the house looks like its going to need attention as there is a section 
above the concrete/brick foundation that is starting to move out.  Obviously 
will need a lot of cosmetics as well.  Since its a forclosure in need of a lot 
of work I thought about offering no more than $15k, and tur
 ning it into a long term project.  
Crazy probably but interesting yes.

https://www.zillow.com/homes/350-s-cedar-nowata-ok_rb/



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Re: [MBZ] OT BMW diagnosis Question

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Possibly.

Another reason could be that the system isn't sealed or is leaking elsewhere.

The W140s will do this, and if it's not the cap it's a leak in the lines back 
to the tank from the recirculation system or a bad valve that controls vacuum 
into that system.

-D

> On May 30, 2017, at 3:22 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> My 2000 BMW 740iL has the Service Engine Soon light on.   I went to Autozone 
> and had them check it.  It was the evap emission code and their system said 
> check the gas cap.  I know that's a common fault for some people.  But, I 
> checked it and my gas cap was on tight.  I took it off and put it back on 
> again.  But, the light is still on. I took it on a 100 mile round trip 
> thinking it might have to reset after so many cycles/miles.   It is still on.
> 
> Could the gas cap be bad?
> 
> Don Snook
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[MBZ] OT BMW diagnosis Question

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

My 2000 BMW 740iL has the Service Engine Soon light on.   I went to Autozone 
and had them check it.  It was the evap emission code and their system said 
check the gas cap.  I know that's a common fault for some people.  But, I 
checked it and my gas cap was on tight.  I took it off and put it back on 
again.  But, the light is still on. I took it on a 100 mile round trip thinking 
it might have to reset after so many cycles/miles.   It is still on.

Could the gas cap be bad?

Don Snook
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Re: [MBZ] Tars

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

My local Craigslist has a couple of places that are always advertising used 
tires for cheep.  I've looked at their ads and they seem to have a good range 
of brands and sizes that are pretty reasonable based on the brand/type/amount 
of tread depth.

They are physical businesses, not in the best of neighborhoods, but 
nevertheless seem to offer some good deals.

-D

> On May 30, 2017, at 1:52 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That's a good tip Don, I'll remember that.
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 12:50 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I purchased a set of used tires on ebay for my old BMW.  They had the
>> tread depth measurements shown in the pictures.  Assuming a new tire is
>> approximately 10/32", then the tires I bought were new or very nearly new.
>> It was a set of Sumitomo all season performance tires.  I have been very
>> happy with them.  They were quite a bit cheaper than the other options.
>> About a year ago I bought two Michelins on ebay for my other 7 series.  It
>> had 18 inch wheels and they were staggered. So, the front tires were 235 50
>> series and the rear were 255 45 series.  So, they were very pricey.  I
>> found two nearly new Michelins MUCH cheaper.   I know buying tires on ebay
>> seems a little risky, but they were big sellers and had great feedback.
>> 
>> Its another option if you someone wants some cheaper tires especially if
>> it’s a second or third car.
>> 
>> Don Snook
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Tars

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

That's a good tip Don, I'll remember that.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 12:50 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I purchased a set of used tires on ebay for my old BMW.  They had the
> tread depth measurements shown in the pictures.  Assuming a new tire is
> approximately 10/32", then the tires I bought were new or very nearly new.
> It was a set of Sumitomo all season performance tires.  I have been very
> happy with them.  They were quite a bit cheaper than the other options.
> About a year ago I bought two Michelins on ebay for my other 7 series.  It
> had 18 inch wheels and they were staggered. So, the front tires were 235 50
> series and the rear were 255 45 series.  So, they were very pricey.  I
> found two nearly new Michelins MUCH cheaper.   I know buying tires on ebay
> seems a little risky, but they were big sellers and had great feedback.
>
> Its another option if you someone wants some cheaper tires especially if
> it’s a second or third car.
>
> Don Snook
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Tars

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

I purchased a set of used tires on ebay for my old BMW.  They had the tread 
depth measurements shown in the pictures.  Assuming a new tire is approximately 
10/32", then the tires I bought were new or very nearly new.  It was a set of 
Sumitomo all season performance tires.  I have been very happy with them.  They 
were quite a bit cheaper than the other options.About a year ago I bought 
two Michelins on ebay for my other 7 series.  It had 18 inch wheels and they 
were staggered. So, the front tires were 235 50 series and the rear were 255 45 
series.  So, they were very pricey.  I found two nearly new Michelins MUCH 
cheaper.   I know buying tires on ebay seems a little risky, but they were big 
sellers and had great feedback.  

Its another option if you someone wants some cheaper tires especially if it’s a 
second or third car. 

Don Snook 

-Original Message-
From: Dan Penoff [mailto:d...@penoff.com] 
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 9:11 AM
To: Mercedes List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tars

I am not keen about tire retailers, as I have often held them up alongside used 
car dealers and real estate agents.

That being said, I found a really good Tires Plus, a national chain, near my 
house that has a pretty serious following in the local BMW community.  I’ve 
found that the tire place does a good job recommending various tires based on 
application and consideration for the owner’s concerns.

Case in point:

When I changed the SL500 over to 2003 SLK 17” staggered wheels, they worked 
with me to find a reasonably priced set of low profile tires that had good 
handling and wear characteristics.  Tires in this size range are limited, 
especially for the rear wheels, and while I ended up dropping over $1,000 for 
the set of four it’s been two years and we’ve been very pleased with them.

They also do excellent alignments with the proper tools (spreader bar).

I look up what they offer online and then go into the store and talk with them 
when I’m looking for tires.  If my choice is questionable for whatever reason 
they’ll tell me why and offer alternatives that are similar.

-D



> On May 28, 2017, at 9:56 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I've never purchased tires locally, they are just so darn expensive 
> and research requires back-and-forth to find out what the seller 
> offers, back home to internet to decide what is acceptable.  Add in 
> the numerous tire shops, and some sell tires for which there are no 
> comparison tests.
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 9:51 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes < 
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> This is good to know.  I’m wondering how my local tire guy feels 
>> about installing someone else’s tires.  They do it for Tire Rack, so 
>> I’m assuming it’s not an issue.
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] I need to pay for my meth and can only afford Walmart tires.

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Under the hood does not look like the same color as the exterior of the 
car. The exterior looks to be about the same as my 76 300D.


RB

On 30/05/2017 11:10 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:

It is a crazy price.  But, I love these 250 coupes.   That can't be the 
original paint, can it?  My 71 250 was RED like sports car red. This looks like 
a much more modern red.   I still like it.

Don Snook

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Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2017 8:01 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] I need to pay for my meth and can only afford Walmart tires.



1971 Mercedes 250c
http://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/6150781811.html

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Re: [MBZ] OT Old house projects

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 29/05/2017 9:48 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

If, and I do mean a big if, I did explore it further I would have an inspector 
or structural engineer look at it first.



Engineer sounds good. Home Inspectors are often not worth much. Some 
have no real idea about construction issues. Generally, the contract 
with them says that if they are wrong, they are only liable to the 
extent of the monies that you paid for the inspection.



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Re: [MBZ] I need to pay for my meth and can only afford Walmart tires.

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

It is a crazy price.  But, I love these 250 coupes.   That can't be the 
original paint, can it?  My 71 250 was RED like sports car red. This looks like 
a much more modern red.   I still like it.  

Don Snook 

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Subject: [MBZ] I need to pay for my meth and can only afford Walmart tires.



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Solar update

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 30 May 2017 07:09:04 -0700 Jim Cathey via Mercedes
 wrote:

> LED lights have gotten there, IMHO.  I hope that all of your lighting is
> non-incandescent.  If not, that'd help.  Fans and pumps you can't do
> much about.

What about the power-factor controllers for inductive loads?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 138, Issue 228

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

I thought the conventional wisdom was a normal person can afford to drive a 12 
Cyl. MB.   That's what my mechanic always told me.  


Donald H. Snook 



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Re: [MBZ] Poosing the Paints

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

I second the suggestion to use a Clay Bar.   I have tried it on a several cars 
and it made a HUGE difference.  The paint afterward is smooth and slick and 
this was even before putting any kind of wax on it.  All the warnings about 
using a clay bar are very important.   Divide your bar into several smaller 
pieces so if you drop it on the ground, you throw it away!  Make sure you have 
some sort of lubricant -- whether it’s a specific clay bar solution or just 
some nice soapy water.   It takes a long time, but it is well worth it! 

Don Snook 

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Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 3:39 PM
To: Mercedes List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Poosing the Paints

Wash it, clay bar it, then put a good coat of quality wax on it and be done.

The extreme finish recoveries I’ve done are outliers.  It’s very, very rare 
that you’ll ever need to do something that extreme.

-D

 
> On May 26, 2017, at 4:33 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm going to wash it in the morning and I'll take some pics.  It looks like 
> mostly carwash scratching and fading in general, it is all over the car, just 
> dull.  There might be a few spots of clearcoat (I'm pretty sure it has 
> clearcoat) that look like they might fail before long but otherwise no 
> failures.
> 
> --FT
> 
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