Re: [MBZ] Taco Bell

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

yep!


Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
May 31, 2017 at 1:13 PM
So i am currently at Taco Bell and my total was less that I figured. 
Looked at the receipt and the girl gave me senior discount. I don't 
look that old do I?


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Re: [MBZ] I hate these kits

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

Yes, but how many of them are Maxwells?  ;)

-MMM-

On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 2:21 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Mitch,
>
> I just looked at my national Craigslist search at lunch. And out of maybe
> 300 ads for a Mercedes between 1959 and 1967 I got over 20 of the Gazelles
> in the results.
>
> -D
>
> > On May 31, 2017, at 3:17 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I'm halfway tempted to get a Gazelle, get rid of the Mercedes emblems and
> > put "Maxwell" on it instead in honor of Jack Benny...
> >
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Re: [MBZ] I hate these kits

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Mitch,

I just looked at my national Craigslist search at lunch. And out of maybe 300 
ads for a Mercedes between 1959 and 1967 I got over 20 of the Gazelles in the 
results.

-D

> On May 31, 2017, at 3:17 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes 
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> I'm halfway tempted to get a Gazelle, get rid of the Mercedes emblems and
> put "Maxwell" on it instead in honor of Jack Benny...
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 138, Issue 228

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On May 30, 2017 at 11:37 PM Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> 
> On Tue, 30 May 2017 15:18:57 -0700 G Mann via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> > Thanks for asking.
> > Nothing worthy just yet. Been focused on putting up the new shop, and
> > all the prep work for that [engineering, permits, etc, etc.]
> 
> Permits? Out in the middle of the boonies?

Good point. Who needs permits for outbuildings when you have a 14 mile 
driveway? Around here, if you have 40 acres and claim the outbuilding is for 
your farm, there's no requirement for a permit to build, but you might need an 
electrical permit to wire it for lights etc. 

Mitch.

Mitch. 
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> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] GM in hot water over diesel emissions

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Andrew wrote:
> General Motors under scrutiny for diesel emissions

Is this backlash against USA abanconment of global climate change accords?
mao.man

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Re: [MBZ] I hate these kits

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

I'm halfway tempted to get a Gazelle, get rid of the Mercedes emblems and
put "Maxwell" on it instead in honor of Jack Benny...

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Re: [MBZ] Bad news for Rich, great news for Fred and Curt

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Andrew, et al.

Just peachy!

Brooksby Farm, Peabody

Also New Jersey etc.

Smaller and not as juicy as Georgia's fabulous fruit, still highly edible.


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad news for Rich, great news for Fred and Curt

Might be imported from Woburn.

On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 3:02 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Well I don't know about the rest of SC but I got 'em at the end of my
> driveway.  I guess Sidi has connections in the peach producers sector of
> the economy.  Had my last one this morning, gotta go get more in a little
> while.
>
> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] Way beyond OT - Replacing CA avocado groves with coffee plantations

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Curley wrote:
> ... Now there are a lot of
> abandoned vineyards because they found out a few years into it that
> vineyards = horticulture.

Abandoned vineyards will retool to more lucrative crop.  THC
tin.man

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Re: [MBZ] One for Snook

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Don Snook wrote:
> ...while trying to find a new job and possibly move.

Liars are never without job?
...sorry... spell-check error...
tin.man

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Re: [MBZ] Bad news for Rich, great news for Fred and Curt

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Might be imported from Woburn.

On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 3:02 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Well I don't know about the rest of SC but I got 'em at the end of my
> driveway.  I guess Sidi has connections in the peach producers sector of
> the economy.  Had my last one this morning, gotta go get more in a little
> while.
>
> --FT
>
>
> On 5/31/17 2:53 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
>> With you or they is Fake news.  SC is supposed to be peach-deprived.
>>
>> On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
>>
>> The farmstand at the end of the driveway got fresh SC peaches in,
>> they are awesome and I am in heaven.  I did not even look at the
>> price.  Sidi's tomatoes should be ready any day now, I will be in
>> second heaven.
>>
>> --FT
>>
>> On 5/31/17 2:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>> Southern states face summer without peachesPublished:
>> Wednesday, May 31,
>> 2017
>>
>> A warm winter and a late spring cold snap have devastated the
>> peach crop
>> across the southern United States.
>>
>> Georgia's peach yield may be 25 percent of what it was last
>> year, according
>> to the Department of Agriculture.
>>
>> In South Carolina, which trails only California in peach
>> production, the
>> crop may be even worse compared with last year.
>>
>> "It's just really, really bad," said Juan Carlos Melgar, an
>> assistant
>> professor of pomology at Clemson University. "Historically bad."
>>
>> Workers, many of whom are from Mexico, are being laid off or
>> having their
>> contracts cut short.
>>
>> Much of the damage came from a three-day freeze in March that
>> wiped out the
>> blossoms and early fruit.
>>
>> The New England peach crop, however, looks great this year
>> (Kim Severson, *New
>> York Times*
>> > a-south-carolina.html
>> > a-south-carolina.html>>,
>> May 30). *— NB*
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>> small, large or petty,
>> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
>> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming
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Re: [MBZ] Bad news for Rich, great news for Fred and Curt

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Well I don't know about the rest of SC but I got 'em at the end of my 
driveway.  I guess Sidi has connections in the peach producers sector of 
the economy.  Had my last one this morning, gotta go get more in a 
little while.


--FT


On 5/31/17 2:53 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

With you or they is Fake news.  SC is supposed to be peach-deprived.

On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
> wrote:


The farmstand at the end of the driveway got fresh SC peaches in,
they are awesome and I am in heaven.  I did not even look at the
price.  Sidi's tomatoes should be ready any day now, I will be in
second heaven.

--FT

On 5/31/17 2:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Southern states face summer without peachesPublished:
Wednesday, May 31,
2017

A warm winter and a late spring cold snap have devastated the
peach crop
across the southern United States.

Georgia's peach yield may be 25 percent of what it was last
year, according
to the Department of Agriculture.

In South Carolina, which trails only California in peach
production, the
crop may be even worse compared with last year.

"It's just really, really bad," said Juan Carlos Melgar, an
assistant
professor of pomology at Clemson University. "Historically bad."

Workers, many of whom are from Mexico, are being laid off or
having their
contracts cut short.

Much of the damage came from a three-day freeze in March that
wiped out the
blossoms and early fruit.

The New England peach crop, however, looks great this year
(Kim Severson, *New
York Times*

>,
May 30). *— NB*
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never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming
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petty,
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Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] Taco Bell

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Why were you at the Mexican phone company?

-FT


On 5/31/17 2:13 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

So i am currently at Taco Bell and my total was less that I figured. Looked at 
the receipt and the girl gave me senior discount. I don't look that old do I?

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petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
enemy.”


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Re: [MBZ] Bad news for Rich, great news for Fred and Curt

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

With you or they is Fake news.  SC is supposed to be peach-deprived.

On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The farmstand at the end of the driveway got fresh SC peaches in, they are
> awesome and I am in heaven.  I did not even look at the price.  Sidi's
> tomatoes should be ready any day now, I will be in second heaven.
>
> --FT
>
> On 5/31/17 2:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Southern states face summer without peachesPublished: Wednesday, May 31,
>> 2017
>>
>> A warm winter and a late spring cold snap have devastated the peach crop
>> across the southern United States.
>>
>> Georgia's peach yield may be 25 percent of what it was last year,
>> according
>> to the Department of Agriculture.
>>
>> In South Carolina, which trails only California in peach production, the
>> crop may be even worse compared with last year.
>>
>> "It's just really, really bad," said Juan Carlos Melgar, an assistant
>> professor of pomology at Clemson University. "Historically bad."
>>
>> Workers, many of whom are from Mexico, are being laid off or having their
>> contracts cut short.
>>
>> Much of the damage came from a three-day freeze in March that wiped out
>> the
>> blossoms and early fruit.
>>
>> The New England peach crop, however, looks great this year (Kim Severson,
>> *New
>> York Times*
>> > a-south-carolina.html>,
>> May 30). *— NB*
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> large or petty,
> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of
> the enemy.”
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Re: [MBZ] Bad news for Rich, great news for Fred and Curt

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

The farmstand at the end of the driveway got fresh SC peaches in, they 
are awesome and I am in heaven.  I did not even look at the price.  
Sidi's tomatoes should be ready any day now, I will be in second heaven.


--FT

On 5/31/17 2:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Southern states face summer without peachesPublished: Wednesday, May 31,
2017

A warm winter and a late spring cold snap have devastated the peach crop
across the southern United States.

Georgia's peach yield may be 25 percent of what it was last year, according
to the Department of Agriculture.

In South Carolina, which trails only California in peach production, the
crop may be even worse compared with last year.

"It's just really, really bad," said Juan Carlos Melgar, an assistant
professor of pomology at Clemson University. "Historically bad."

Workers, many of whom are from Mexico, are being laid off or having their
contracts cut short.

Much of the damage came from a three-day freeze in March that wiped out the
blossoms and early fruit.

The New England peach crop, however, looks great this year (Kim Severson, *New
York Times*
,
May 30). *— NB*
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never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
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Re: [MBZ] Taco Bell

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I'm 53, think I can get discount in 7 years. I don't think you look as old as 
me. Maybe Curt or Craig could confirm that. 
Mitch.

> On May 31, 2017 at 2:13 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> So i am currently at Taco Bell and my total was less that I figured. Looked 
> at the receipt and the girl gave me senior discount. I don't look that old do 
> I?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Taco Bell

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

In your neck of the woods senior means 30+.

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> So i am currently at Taco Bell and my total was less that I figured.
> Looked at the receipt and the girl gave me senior discount. I don't look
> that old do I?
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Re: [MBZ] OT Old house projects

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> On May 31, 2017 at 2:08 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I remember my grandparents' old home in Cincinnati had these really cool
> push button light switches.  Is that the same thing?

Thanks for the memory. 
You just reminded me of the light switches my grandfather used when he built a 
new house in 1951. I assume they were new and somewhat exotic then. By the late 
1960s, they were fascinating to a kid (me) who hadn't seen them anywhere else 
(and I don't recall ever seeing them in any other house).

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Re: [MBZ] Bundt rims

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> On May 31, 2017 at 2:07 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 14" is standard. Oem 15s are $500 a copy.

If you can find a set of OE 15s they're probably less than $1000 used. 
The problem is finding them, there weren't that many 450 SEL 6.9s to begin 
with. 

Mitch.

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[MBZ] Taco Bell

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

So i am currently at Taco Bell and my total was less that I figured. Looked at 
the receipt and the girl gave me senior discount. I don't look that old do I?

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Re: [MBZ] Bundt rims

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Someone needs to find a way to arbitrage these wheels.  They were standard
issue on 00s of thousands of 123s that are still hanging around..

On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> 14" is standard. Oem 15s are $500 a copy.
>
> On May 31, 2017 11:06 AM, "Floyd Thursby via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Are 15inchers what is on 123s?  I should go look at the TD.
> >
> > --FT
> >
> >
> > On 5/31/17 2:03 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
> >
> >> Chinese replicas on ebay but supposedly decent ones rated by german
> >> transit
> >> authority. Search archives.
> >>
> >> On May 31, 2017 4:02 AM, "MG via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Who was it that had some 15" bundt wheels for sale?
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Re: [MBZ] OT Old house projects

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

You mean this car that is currently for sale?

http://okiebenz.com/sale/1990%20300D/

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> On May 31, 2017, at 12:20 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I remember that house - it was more impressive than the 300D 2.5T I was
> there to look at/buy. I was really surprised to hear that you'd moved,
> though I can understand that it was built for little people, not you.
> 
> On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 10:51 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> My former house was built in 1929 and had amazing wood details and lots of
>> craftsmanship.  Of course, being an old house, it had very little
>> insulation, weird wiring, nothing was standard like today, and I loved it.
>> When we remodeled the kitchen we also took down a small wall that lead to
>> a breakfast nook.  The contractor wore out several sawzall blades trying to
>> cut through the studs.  The wood was super dense and hard.   The difficult
>> things about the house were dealing with lath and plaster, wiring that had
>> been updated 3-4 times over 80 years, and small rooms.  It wasn't a huge
>> house. But, it was good size, but back then they built houses with small
>> rooms.  I did love all the character of an old house.
>> 
>> Don Snook
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Kaleb C. Striplin [mailto:ka...@striplin.net]
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 6:26 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Old house projects
>> 
>> I love old and big, I really love the wood work and details in this house.
>> It's amazing how well built old houses are. Do you think a house built
>> today will be standing in 70 years? 100 years? Hell a little wind blows
>> such as a baby f0 tornado and they are toast.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 30, 2017, at 2:33 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Old and big. Likely not well insulated. Old Windows as noted by Kaleb.
>> Expensive to heat and cool which may be why it has been abandoned by its
>> owners.
>>> 
>>> RB
>>> 
 On 30/05/2017 2:29 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:
 Could be a fantastic beautiful home or a moneypit.One thing I'm
>> sure you know is houses of this age used REAL WOOD.  Slow growth trees that
>> are as hard as iron.  The bones of the house are probably still good.  A
>> foundation issue would scare me a little.  It would definitely be a long
>> term project.  Would you try to restore and flip? Or turn it into a rental?
>> Or several apartments?
 
 Don Snook
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Kaleb C. Striplin [mailto:ka...@striplin.net]
 Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 6:06 PM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List 
 Subject: [MBZ] OT Old house projects
 
 I was scrolling thru local listings the other day out of curiosity on
>> the wifes MLS login.  Anyway, I saw this house in town and it looked
>> interesting.  I had her show it to me today. It is going to need a LOT of
>> work but it has a lot of potential. It is really a neat old house with
>> impressive wood work and detail you do not see anymore.  Alot or most of
>> the wood along the edge of the roof which attaches to the ends of the roof
>> studs (not sure what you call it) as well as sofet (sp) is rotted and will
>> require replacement.  Floors are uneven in some spots as you would expect
>> in an old house and that does not really concern me much.  All of the
>> windows in the house are the old original wood framed windows and have
>> storm windows installed on the outside.  These are these big old windows
>> you dont see in houses anymore.  Wife says they all need to be replaced but
>> I told her these unlike new windows can be repaired, or so I think.  Just
>> need to to have all the old paint scraped out, remove the old putty that
>> holds the glass in and replace.  No they are probably not as efficient as
>> new windows.  On one side of the house they have 2 or 3 huge concrete
>> pillars/supports of some sort which butt up against the foundation, almost
>> sort of like buttresses on a cathedral.  The only thing I can figure is the
>> foundation started pushing out like it does on old houses and these were
>> installed to hold it in.  I have seen other old houses where they have
>> drilled holes in the header plate or foundation with cables stretched
>> across from one side of the house to the other attached to metal plates on
>> the outside of the house which can then be tightened as needed to adjust
>> the foundation. The other side of the house looks like its going to need
>> attention as there is a section above the concrete/brick foundation that is
>> starting to move out.  Obviously will need a lot of cosmetics as well.
>> Since its a forclosure in need of a lot of work I thought about offering no
>> more than $15k, and turning it into a long term project.
 Crazy probably but interesting yes.
 
 

[MBZ] Bad news for Rich, great news for Fred and Curt

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Southern states face summer without peachesPublished: Wednesday, May 31,
2017

A warm winter and a late spring cold snap have devastated the peach crop
across the southern United States.

Georgia's peach yield may be 25 percent of what it was last year, according
to the Department of Agriculture.

In South Carolina, which trails only California in peach production, the
crop may be even worse compared with last year.

"It's just really, really bad," said Juan Carlos Melgar, an assistant
professor of pomology at Clemson University. "Historically bad."

Workers, many of whom are from Mexico, are being laid off or having their
contracts cut short.

Much of the damage came from a three-day freeze in March that wiped out the
blossoms and early fruit.

The New England peach crop, however, looks great this year (Kim Severson, *New
York Times*
,
May 30). *— NB*
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Re: [MBZ] Where's Gay Larry When You Need Him?

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No idea who that is but it is pretty close to me if you want me to knock on
the floorpans.

On May 30, 2017 3:11 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/cto/6150863379.html
>
> Interesting.  And it’s a diesel.
>
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] OT Old house projects

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I remember my grandparents' old home in Cincinnati had these really cool
push button light switches.  Is that the same thing?

On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 1:20 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I remember that house - it was more impressive than the 300D 2.5T I was
> there to look at/buy. I was really surprised to hear that you'd moved,
> though I can understand that it was built for little people, not you.
>
> On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 10:51 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > My former house was built in 1929 and had amazing wood details and lots
> of
> > craftsmanship.  Of course, being an old house, it had very little
> > insulation, weird wiring, nothing was standard like today, and I loved
> it.
> >  When we remodeled the kitchen we also took down a small wall that lead
> to
> > a breakfast nook.  The contractor wore out several sawzall blades trying
> to
> > cut through the studs.  The wood was super dense and hard.   The
> difficult
> > things about the house were dealing with lath and plaster, wiring that
> had
> > been updated 3-4 times over 80 years, and small rooms.  It wasn't a huge
> > house. But, it was good size, but back then they built houses with small
> > rooms.  I did love all the character of an old house.
> >
> > Don Snook
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Kaleb C. Striplin [mailto:ka...@striplin.net]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 6:26 PM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Old house projects
> >
> > I love old and big, I really love the wood work and details in this
> house.
> > It's amazing how well built old houses are. Do you think a house built
> > today will be standing in 70 years? 100 years? Hell a little wind blows
> > such as a baby f0 tornado and they are toast.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On May 30, 2017, at 2:33 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Old and big. Likely not well insulated. Old Windows as noted by Kaleb.
> > Expensive to heat and cool which may be why it has been abandoned by its
> > owners.
> > >
> > > RB
> > >
> > >> On 30/05/2017 2:29 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:
> > >> Could be a fantastic beautiful home or a moneypit.One thing I'm
> > sure you know is houses of this age used REAL WOOD.  Slow growth trees
> that
> > are as hard as iron.  The bones of the house are probably still good.  A
> > foundation issue would scare me a little.  It would definitely be a long
> > term project.  Would you try to restore and flip? Or turn it into a
> rental?
> > Or several apartments?
> > >>
> > >> Don Snook
> > >>
> > >> -Original Message-
> > >> From: Kaleb C. Striplin [mailto:ka...@striplin.net]
> > >> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 6:06 PM
> > >> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > >> Subject: [MBZ] OT Old house projects
> > >>
> > >> I was scrolling thru local listings the other day out of curiosity on
> > the wifes MLS login.  Anyway, I saw this house in town and it looked
> > interesting.  I had her show it to me today. It is going to need a LOT of
> > work but it has a lot of potential. It is really a neat old house with
> > impressive wood work and detail you do not see anymore.  Alot or most of
> > the wood along the edge of the roof which attaches to the ends of the
> roof
> > studs (not sure what you call it) as well as sofet (sp) is rotted and
> will
> > require replacement.  Floors are uneven in some spots as you would expect
> > in an old house and that does not really concern me much.  All of the
> > windows in the house are the old original wood framed windows and have
> > storm windows installed on the outside.  These are these big old windows
> > you dont see in houses anymore.  Wife says they all need to be replaced
> but
> > I told her these unlike new windows can be repaired, or so I think.  Just
> > need to to have all the old paint scraped out, remove the old putty that
> > holds the glass in and replace.  No they are probably not as efficient as
> > new windows.  On one side of the house they have 2 or 3 huge concrete
> > pillars/supports of some sort which butt up against the foundation,
> almost
> > sort of like buttresses on a cathedral.  The only thing I can figure is
> the
> > foundation started pushing out like it does on old houses and these were
> > installed to hold it in.  I have seen other old houses where they have
> > drilled holes in the header plate or foundation with cables stretched
> > across from one side of the house to the other attached to metal plates
> on
> > the outside of the house which can then be tightened as needed to adjust
> > the foundation. The other side of the house looks like its going to need
> > attention as there is a section above the concrete/brick foundation that
> is
> > starting to move out.  Obviously will need a lot of cosmetics as well.
> > Since its a forclosure in need of a lot of work I thought 

Re: [MBZ] Bundt rims

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

14" is standard. Oem 15s are $500 a copy.

On May 31, 2017 11:06 AM, "Floyd Thursby via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Are 15inchers what is on 123s?  I should go look at the TD.
>
> --FT
>
>
> On 5/31/17 2:03 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Chinese replicas on ebay but supposedly decent ones rated by german
>> transit
>> authority. Search archives.
>>
>> On May 31, 2017 4:02 AM, "MG via Mercedes"  wrote:
>>
>> Who was it that had some 15" bundt wheels for sale?
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> large or petty,
> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
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Re: [MBZ] Where's Gay Larry When You Need Him?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I can do the same but I'll need transport to get out there.

On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 12:58 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I'll be in Burbank next week. I could potentially look at the car for you
> Saturday afternoon or Sunday. I can't spend a ton of time as its a work
> trip but I could bird dog a little if you need.
> -Curt
>
>   From: Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
>  Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 10:19 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Where's Gay Larry When You Need Him?
>
> Rear ended?  My 200D was one of the first to hit the shores of the US
> of A.  It was sold in Nov of 1965 as a 66 model. It does not have the
> fender turn signals.  I'd do a VIN check for Mfg. date.  A 65 should be
> a 190Dc in the USA.  66 are all 200D.  I have never seen a holdover 65
> sold as a 66.  It could be a Yuro import, not imported by MBNA.  Check
> the engine number too.  Both are 621, but the subtypes are different.
>
> Looks nice, but something does not look right.
>
> > Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> > May 30, 2017 at 5:10 PM
> > https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/cto/6150863379.html
> >
> > Interesting. And it’s a diesel.
> >
> > -D
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Re: [MBZ] 15" bundts

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

On Apr 15, 2017 8:26 AM, "Karl Wittnebel"  wrote:

I have been waiting for the 15" upgrade as the fuchs bundts are like 500 a
copy. But my wait for a reasonable alternative may be over:

http://m.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Bundt-Alloy-Wheel-
15x7-W107-W111-W112-W114-W115-W116-W123-W124-W126-/282361970832?hash=
item41be15c090:g:3eQAAOSw44BYd4HU&_trkparms=pageci%253A7d8359b5-21ef-11e7-
8e8b-74dbd180623c%257Cparentrq%253A7236520b15b0a605d4b98fdeff
f5ea28%257Ciid%253A1

On Apr 15, 2017 8:21 AM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Nice!  But too far away and too  much money for me.  I am glad my 81 has
> them.  I'd like a set for the 80.  I want to pay about $15 each.  Junkyard
> prices
>
>
> Fred Moir via Mercedes 
>> April 15, 2017 at 10:13 AM
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/192158374585?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.
>> l2649=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
>>
>>
>> Fred Moir.
>> Lynn MA.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Solar update

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Does your pond have a fairly steady overflow?  If so: How about a 
hydraulic ram?  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydraulic_ram  In the 
tripics they build them out of bamboo.

https://www.amazon.com/Hydraulic-Ram-Pumps-Supply-Systems/dp/1853391727

http://www.watersanitationhygiene.org/References/EH_KEY_REFERENCES/WATER/Water%20Pumping/Ram%20Pumps/Hydraulic%20Ram%20Pump%20Manual%20(ITDG).pdf

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-12-PVC-Hydraulic-Ram-Hydram-shtf-Water-Pump-Homestead-Off-Grid-Remote-/262713334824?hash=item3d2aef5c28:g:GxsAAOSwImRYNNPE

Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
May 31, 2017 at 12:35 PM
Thats actually not a terrible idea. I've looked at some micro-hydro 
setups on ebay that I could produce a little power with. Again under 
the theory that 1-2 gallons an hour 24 hours a day would probably be 
plenty.
I'm thinking a 1/4hp 110v pump ought to do the job easy enough. This 
fall I'll start thinking about how/where to mount it. We've got a hand 
pump down there already, I should be able to tap off its intake. Maybe 
build a box that mounts to the 4x4s its on.

-Curt


From: Meade Dillon 
To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes 
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Solar update

OK, then you need a bigger dam with hydroelectric to run your pump to 
fill your water tank.


-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Curt Raymond  
wrote:


Any pump will need winterizing. The problem with a windmill is that 
the pond is down in a hole. Its man made, they dammed a stream to make 
the pond, its probably 30' below the surrounding fields. By the time I 
make enough tower to get significant wind I could have run power from 
the street.







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Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
May 31, 2017 at 12:25 PM
OK, then you need a bigger dam with hydroelectric to run your pump to fill
your water tank.

-
Max
Charleston SC

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Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
May 31, 2017 at 11:51 AM
Any pump will need winterizing. The problem with a windmill is that 
the pond is down in a hole. Its man made, they dammed a stream to make 
the pond, its probably 30' below the surrounding fields. By the time I 
make enough tower to get significant wind I could have run power from 
the street.
I like Mitch's idea of solar on the pump house but its another 
panel/charge controller and battery. Better to use 110v, its not a 
huge run, maybe 100 feet...

-Curt

From: Meade Dillon 
To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 


Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Solar update

How about a windmill?  Use the wind to drive the pump to fill the 
tank, have a powered version for back-up.


https://www.etsy.com/listing/257221071/build-your-own-windmill-diy-plans-water?_source=google_medium=cpc_campaign=shopping_us_b-craft_supplies_and_tools-tools_and_equipment_custom1=46053756-0188-4cd6-8794-323f32338a3c=CjwKEAjwsLTJBRCvibaW9bGLtUESJAC4wKw12UKmPkgbtgTis4ycOBxcHRYGsbSWeVoTYZAWBGw6SxoCKDTw_wcB

Hmm, may be a hassle to deal with winterizing, have to design it so 
easy to de-water for the winter.


-
Max
Charleston SC





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Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
May 30, 2017 at 6:05 PM
How about a windmill? Use the wind to drive the pump to fill the tank,
have a powered version for back-up.

https://www.etsy.com/listing/257221071/build-your-own-windmill-diy-plans-water?_source=google_medium=cpc_campaign=shopping_us_b-craft_supplies_and_tools-tools_and_equipment_custom1=46053756-0188-4cd6-8794-323f32338a3c=CjwKEAjwsLTJBRCvibaW9bGLtUESJAC4wKw12UKmPkgbtgTis4ycOBxcHRYGsbSWeVoTYZAWBGw6SxoCKDTw_wcB

Hmm, may be a hassle to deal with winterizing, have to design it so 
easy to

de-water for the winter.

-
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Charleston SC
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May 30, 2017 at 4:44 PM

Re: [MBZ] Bundt rims

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Are 15inchers what is on 123s?  I should go look at the TD.

--FT


On 5/31/17 2:03 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:

Chinese replicas on ebay but supposedly decent ones rated by german transit
authority. Search archives.

On May 31, 2017 4:02 AM, "MG via Mercedes"  wrote:


Who was it that had some 15" bundt wheels for sale?

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Re: [MBZ] Bundt rims

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Chinese replicas on ebay but supposedly decent ones rated by german transit
authority. Search archives.

On May 31, 2017 4:02 AM, "MG via Mercedes"  wrote:

> Who was it that had some 15" bundt wheels for sale?
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Solar update

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

We were in Argentina staying at this little hotel and they had a small 
turbine in a stream that ran past the place.  They had a small dam (like 
just a foot high, the stream was pretty steep and ran a good amount) up 
about 150ft from the little turbine house and ran a 4" PVC pipe down to 
it.  Maybe 6ft of head on it?  That thing spun like crazy.  I'm not sure 
how much they were getting off it or if they had grid power too, but it 
looked way cool.


--FT


On 5/31/17 1:25 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

OK, then you need a bigger dam with hydroelectric to run your pump to fill
your water tank.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:


Any pump will need winterizing. The problem with a windmill is that the
pond is down in a hole. Its man made, they dammed a stream to make the
pond, its probably 30' below the surrounding fields. By the time I make
enough tower to get significant wind I could have run power from the street.




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Re: [MBZ] OT: Solar update

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Thats actually not a terrible idea. I've looked at some micro-hydro setups on 
ebay that I could produce a little power with. Again under the theory that 1-2 
gallons an hour 24 hours a day would probably be plenty.
I'm thinking a 1/4hp 110v pump ought to do the job easy enough. This fall I'll 
start thinking about how/where to mount it. We've got a hand pump down there 
already, I should be able to tap off its intake. Maybe build a box that mounts 
to the 4x4s its on.
-Curt


  From: Meade Dillon 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes  
 Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 1:25 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Solar update
   
OK, then you need a bigger dam with hydroelectric to run your pump to fill your 
water tank.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

Any pump will need winterizing. The problem with a windmill is that the pond is 
down in a hole. Its man made, they dammed a stream to make the pond, its 
probably 30' below the surrounding fields. By the time I make enough tower to 
get significant wind I could have run power from the street.





   
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Solar update

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

OK, then you need a bigger dam with hydroelectric to run your pump to fill
your water tank.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Any pump will need winterizing. The problem with a windmill is that the
> pond is down in a hole. Its man made, they dammed a stream to make the
> pond, its probably 30' below the surrounding fields. By the time I make
> enough tower to get significant wind I could have run power from the street.
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Old house projects

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I remember that house - it was more impressive than the 300D 2.5T I was
there to look at/buy. I was really surprised to hear that you'd moved,
though I can understand that it was built for little people, not you.

On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 10:51 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> My former house was built in 1929 and had amazing wood details and lots of
> craftsmanship.  Of course, being an old house, it had very little
> insulation, weird wiring, nothing was standard like today, and I loved it.
>  When we remodeled the kitchen we also took down a small wall that lead to
> a breakfast nook.  The contractor wore out several sawzall blades trying to
> cut through the studs.  The wood was super dense and hard.   The difficult
> things about the house were dealing with lath and plaster, wiring that had
> been updated 3-4 times over 80 years, and small rooms.  It wasn't a huge
> house. But, it was good size, but back then they built houses with small
> rooms.  I did love all the character of an old house.
>
> Don Snook
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kaleb C. Striplin [mailto:ka...@striplin.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 6:26 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Old house projects
>
> I love old and big, I really love the wood work and details in this house.
> It's amazing how well built old houses are. Do you think a house built
> today will be standing in 70 years? 100 years? Hell a little wind blows
> such as a baby f0 tornado and they are toast.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On May 30, 2017, at 2:33 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Old and big. Likely not well insulated. Old Windows as noted by Kaleb.
> Expensive to heat and cool which may be why it has been abandoned by its
> owners.
> >
> > RB
> >
> >> On 30/05/2017 2:29 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Could be a fantastic beautiful home or a moneypit.One thing I'm
> sure you know is houses of this age used REAL WOOD.  Slow growth trees that
> are as hard as iron.  The bones of the house are probably still good.  A
> foundation issue would scare me a little.  It would definitely be a long
> term project.  Would you try to restore and flip? Or turn it into a rental?
> Or several apartments?
> >>
> >> Don Snook
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Kaleb C. Striplin [mailto:ka...@striplin.net]
> >> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 6:06 PM
> >> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> >> Subject: [MBZ] OT Old house projects
> >>
> >> I was scrolling thru local listings the other day out of curiosity on
> the wifes MLS login.  Anyway, I saw this house in town and it looked
> interesting.  I had her show it to me today. It is going to need a LOT of
> work but it has a lot of potential. It is really a neat old house with
> impressive wood work and detail you do not see anymore.  Alot or most of
> the wood along the edge of the roof which attaches to the ends of the roof
> studs (not sure what you call it) as well as sofet (sp) is rotted and will
> require replacement.  Floors are uneven in some spots as you would expect
> in an old house and that does not really concern me much.  All of the
> windows in the house are the old original wood framed windows and have
> storm windows installed on the outside.  These are these big old windows
> you dont see in houses anymore.  Wife says they all need to be replaced but
> I told her these unlike new windows can be repaired, or so I think.  Just
> need to to have all the old paint scraped out, remove the old putty that
> holds the glass in and replace.  No they are probably not as efficient as
> new windows.  On one side of the house they have 2 or 3 huge concrete
> pillars/supports of some sort which butt up against the foundation, almost
> sort of like buttresses on a cathedral.  The only thing I can figure is the
> foundation started pushing out like it does on old houses and these were
> installed to hold it in.  I have seen other old houses where they have
> drilled holes in the header plate or foundation with cables stretched
> across from one side of the house to the other attached to metal plates on
> the outside of the house which can then be tightened as needed to adjust
> the foundation. The other side of the house looks like its going to need
> attention as there is a section above the concrete/brick foundation that is
> starting to move out.  Obviously will need a lot of cosmetics as well.
> Since its a forclosure in need of a lot of work I thought about offering no
> more than $15k, and turning it into a long term project.
> >> Crazy probably but interesting yes.
> >>
> >> https://www.zillow.com/homes/350-s-cedar-nowata-ok_rb/
> >>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: VW Wilton Wheels

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Yep, umm--hmmm.

W

- Original Message - 
From: "Mitch Haley via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes List" 
Cc: "Mitch Haley" 
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 5:20 PM
Subject: [MBZ] OT: VW Wilton Wheels



I didn't notice the rims at first:
https://68.media.tumblr.com/93680ae9293d74af93c1cb87ef18d7fd/tumblr_olvrtk9LLu1ttxfeno1_500.jpg

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Re: [MBZ] Where's Gay Larry When You Need Him?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I'll be in Burbank next week. I could potentially look at the car for you 
Saturday afternoon or Sunday. I can't spend a ton of time as its a work trip 
but I could bird dog a little if you need.
-Curt

  From: Curley McLain via Mercedes 
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 Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 10:19 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Where's Gay Larry When You Need Him?
   
Rear ended?  My 200D was one of the first to hit the shores of the US 
of A.  It was sold in Nov of 1965 as a 66 model. It does not have the 
fender turn signals.  I'd do a VIN check for Mfg. date.  A 65 should be 
a 190Dc in the USA.  66 are all 200D.  I have never seen a holdover 65 
sold as a 66.  It could be a Yuro import, not imported by MBNA.  Check 
the engine number too.  Both are 621, but the subtypes are different.

Looks nice, but something does not look right.

> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> May 30, 2017 at 5:10 PM
> https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/cto/6150863379.html
>
> Interesting. And it’s a diesel.
>
> -D

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Solar update

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Any pump will need winterizing. The problem with a windmill is that the pond is 
down in a hole. Its man made, they dammed a stream to make the pond, its 
probably 30' below the surrounding fields. By the time I make enough tower to 
get significant wind I could have run power from the street.
I like Mitch's idea of solar on the pump house but its another panel/charge 
controller and battery. Better to use 110v, its not a huge run, maybe 100 
feet...
-Curt

  From: Meade Dillon 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 7:05 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Solar update
   
How about a windmill?  Use the wind to drive the pump to fill the tank, have a 
powered version for back-up.

https://www.etsy.com/listing/257221071/build-your-own-windmill-diy-plans-water?_source=google_medium=cpc_campaign=shopping_us_b-craft_supplies_and_tools-tools_and_equipment_custom1=46053756-0188-4cd6-8794-323f32338a3c=CjwKEAjwsLTJBRCvibaW9bGLtUESJAC4wKw12UKmPkgbtgTis4ycOBxcHRYGsbSWeVoTYZAWBGw6SxoCKDTw_wcB

Hmm, may be a hassle to deal with winterizing, have to design it so easy to 
de-water for the winter.

-
Max
Charleston SC




   
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 138, Issue 228

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 31/05/2017 10:05 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
damn boy you gonna have a regular compound out there in the boonies.  
I guess we can all drive our dizzels down there and camp out after the 
Brirriant Reader smokes us with an EMP.


Dizzels and guns, what more do we need?

--FT



Women?

RB

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Re: [MBZ] OT Old house projects

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

I have also seen new knob and tube in a retro look building.

RB

On 31/05/2017 11:38 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

I have heard that knob and tube that is in good shape is safer than the wiring 
they use today.




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Re: [MBZ] Seller in over their head

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

That rust spot looks really sinister...

On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Spot of rust not fixed?  How much more hiding?  Not on a $9k car...
>
> --FT
>
>
> On 5/30/17 5:39 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> https://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/6143514386.html
>>
>> Don Snook
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> Winston Churchill:
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> large or petty,
> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of
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Re: [MBZ] OT Old house projects

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I have heard that knob and tube that is in good shape is safer than the wiring 
they use today. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 31, 2017, at 10:02 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Knob and tube is quite safe, wonder why they have that policy?  I guess it is 
> really old so maybe insulation issues, but since the conductors are separated 
> it is not much of an issue as far as shorting.
> 
> --FT
> 
> 
>> On 5/31/17 12:41 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:
>> I found out that USAA won't insure a house with any knob-and-tube wiring.
>> 
>> 
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> Winston Churchill:
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> or petty,
> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
> enemy.”
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Re: [MBZ] OT Old house projects

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

I found out the same thing several years ago.   My old house had knob and tube 
wiring in the detached garage.  They agreed to insure the house but not the 
garage.  But, they did allow me to replace the knob and tube within 30 days and 
then they insured it also.  It wasn't so bad because the previous owner had 
replaced the wiring from the house to the garage, so I only had to replace the 
stuff in the garage and it wasn't that bad. 

Don Snook 

-Original Message-
From: Scott Ritchey [mailto:ritche...@nc.rr.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 11:42 PM
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Old house projects

I found out that USAA won't insure a house with any knob-and-tube wiring.




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[MBZ] GM in hot water over diesel emissions

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

General Motors under scrutiny for diesel emissions


Published: Friday, May 26, 2017[image: General Motors showroom]

General Motors Co. is denying claims that its heavy-duty diesel pickup
trucks cheated on emissions tests. Jose Ongpin/Flickr

Auto giant General Motors is now facing the same accusations as other
automakers about possible extra emissions from its diesel vehicles.

The same law firm that represented owners of Volkswagen and Fiat Chrysler
diesel vehicles, Hagens Berman, filed a class-action lawsuit
 in federal
court in Detroit yesterday against the automaker.

The complaint accuses General Motors of exceeding legal emissions limits in
2011-16 Chevrolet Silverado and Sierra heavy-duty pickup trucks. Around
705,000 vehicles on the road could contain the faulty emission control
systems, according to the complaint.

General Motors is denying claims that it used "defeat devices." Share
prices of the company dropped more than 3 percent on the news yesterday but
have partly recovered today.

"These claims are baseless, and we will vigorously defend ourselves," said
Dan Flores, a GM spokesman. He added that the Duramax Diesel Chevrolet
Silverado and GMC Sierra comply with U.S. EPA and California Air Resources
Board emissions regulations.

General Motors joins Volkswagen AG and at least four other automakers —
Mercedes-Benz parent Daimler AG, Fiat Chrysler Automobiles NV, Peugeot SA
and Renault SA — whose diesel vehicles have been scrutinized by regulators
or consumers. This week, the Justice Department sued Fiat Chrysler over
accusations that it used defeat devices on its diesel trucks, seeking to
join an existing class-action lawsuit.

The law firm behind the General Motors complaint did its own on-road
emissions testing to find that the trucks emit higher pollution at
temperatures below 68 degrees or above 86 degrees. The excess emissions
could reach four or five times allowable limits, according to the suit.

EPA and ARB have not yet made any move to further test the diesel trucks or
take any action against General Motors.

Brian Johnson, a financial analyst at Barclays Capital, wrote that the
lawsuit could be "fishing" for a settlement from GM in a research note to
clients.

"We'd only know that it's more serious if the EPA steps in," he wrote.

John German of the International Council on Clean Transportation said more
lab testing would be required to determine whether GM did deceive
regulators or exceed legal emissions limits.

"It's still unclear to me whether this is a genuine violation or something
that's conceivably part of a normal operating standard, but there's
certainly major questions being raised by the data," he said.

The increased scrutiny of diesel vehicles since Volkswagen was found to be
deliberately misleading regulators on emissions has largely focused on the
light-duty vehicles marketed as using "clean" diesel. Car companies have
increasingly introduced these vehicles in the past decade in part to meet
stringent standards — but they make up only a tiny fraction of total sales.

The use of diesel has been more common for a longer time in the heavy-duty
sector, which can range from large pickups like the Silverado and Sierra
identified in the complaint to 18-wheelers and garbage trucks.

That means regulators and heavy-duty manufacturers have presumably had more
time and experience to develop technologies that meet the standards, German
said.

In the late 1990s, EPA sued manufacturers of heavy-duty engines for using
defeat devices leading to nitrogen oxide emissions three times the
allowable level on highways. At the time, it was the largest Clean Air Act
enforcement action in history. Seven manufacturers of heavy-duty diesel
engines, comprising 95 percent of the U.S. heavy-duty diesel engine market,
spent more than $1 billion to settle the charges in 1998.
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 138, Issue 228

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

A way to grow oilseed and food, a press to squeeze the oil out of the 
seeds, (to burn in the dissels) cattle to eat the residue, and water.  
The last may be the downfall of the idea.



Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
May 31, 2017 at 10:05 AM
damn boy you gonna have a regular compound out there in the boonies.  
I guess we can all drive our dizzels down there and camp out after the 
Brirriant Reader smokes us with an EMP.


Dizzels and guns, what more do we need?

--FT



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Re: [MBZ] Way beyond OT - Replacing CA avocado groves with coffee plantations

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Never ate em.  Green grease.

Re: coffee,  they didn't say what elevation they are trying to grow the 
beans at.  Coffee needs elevation to be good.  With media in pocket, 
they will redefine "good" to be whatever the CAcoffee turns out to be,  
They will need plenty illegal aliens.  Coffee is a lot of hand labor.   
20 years ago the state sec'y of ag was in the pocket of some deep pocket 
winos, so went around trying to get everyone to plant vineyards.  Now 
there are a lot of abandoned vineyards because they found out a few 
years into it that vineyards = horticulture.  They didn't bother to find 
out ahead of time that the definition of horticulture is "labor 
intensive agriculture."


I suspect in 10-15 years there will be a lot of abandoned coffee 
plantations in CA.



Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
May 31, 2017 at 10:03 AM
I have pretty much quit eating avocados because I have learned that 
the big demand for them has incentivized Mexican farmers to cut down 
the monarch forest to plant avo trees.  Boo.


--FT


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Re: [MBZ] OT Old house projects

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Not sure what it is like where you are, but here, if one buys an older 
house with out dated wiring or plumbing, the insurance companis will 
normally take it on but require evidence that things have been brought 
up to date within a short time - 30 days? Knob and tube is bad and so 
are fuse panels. They want breaker panels installed. Galvanized plumbing 
is bad. Swap to copper or pex required.


RB

On 31/05/2017 7:20 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Really. Interesting.

Sent from my iPhone


On May 30, 2017, at 11:41 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
 wrote:

I found out that USAA won't insure a house with any knob-and-tube wiring.






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Re: [MBZ] OT Old house projects

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

My former house was built in 1929 and had amazing wood details and lots of 
craftsmanship.  Of course, being an old house, it had very little insulation, 
weird wiring, nothing was standard like today, and I loved it.   When we 
remodeled the kitchen we also took down a small wall that lead to a breakfast 
nook.  The contractor wore out several sawzall blades trying to cut through the 
studs.  The wood was super dense and hard.   The difficult things about the 
house were dealing with lath and plaster, wiring that had been updated 3-4 
times over 80 years, and small rooms.  It wasn't a huge house. But, it was good 
size, but back then they built houses with small rooms.  I did love all the 
character of an old house. 

Don Snook 

-Original Message-
From: Kaleb C. Striplin [mailto:ka...@striplin.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 6:26 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Old house projects

I love old and big, I really love the wood work and details in this house. It's 
amazing how well built old houses are. Do you think a house built today will be 
standing in 70 years? 100 years? Hell a little wind blows such as a baby f0 
tornado and they are toast. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 30, 2017, at 2:33 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Old and big. Likely not well insulated. Old Windows as noted by Kaleb. 
> Expensive to heat and cool which may be why it has been abandoned by its 
> owners.
> 
> RB
> 
>> On 30/05/2017 2:29 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:
>> Could be a fantastic beautiful home or a moneypit.One thing I'm sure you 
>> know is houses of this age used REAL WOOD.  Slow growth trees that are as 
>> hard as iron.  The bones of the house are probably still good.  A foundation 
>> issue would scare me a little.  It would definitely be a long term project.  
>> Would you try to restore and flip? Or turn it into a rental? Or several 
>> apartments?
>> 
>> Don Snook
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Kaleb C. Striplin [mailto:ka...@striplin.net]
>> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 6:06 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Subject: [MBZ] OT Old house projects
>> 
>> I was scrolling thru local listings the other day out of curiosity on the 
>> wifes MLS login.  Anyway, I saw this house in town and it looked 
>> interesting.  I had her show it to me today. It is going to need a LOT of 
>> work but it has a lot of potential. It is really a neat old house with 
>> impressive wood work and detail you do not see anymore.  Alot or most of the 
>> wood along the edge of the roof which attaches to the ends of the roof studs 
>> (not sure what you call it) as well as sofet (sp) is rotted and will require 
>> replacement.  Floors are uneven in some spots as you would expect in an old 
>> house and that does not really concern me much.  All of the windows in the 
>> house are the old original wood framed windows and have storm windows 
>> installed on the outside.  These are these big old windows you dont see in 
>> houses anymore.  Wife says they all need to be replaced but I told her these 
>> unlike new windows can be repaired, or so I think.  Just need to to have all 
>> the old paint scraped out, rem
 ove the old putty that holds the glass in and replace.  No they are probably 
not as efficient as new windows.  On one side of the house they have 2 or 3 
huge concrete pillars/supports of some sort which butt up against the 
foundation, almost sort of like buttresses on a cathedral.  The only thing I 
can figure is the foundation started pushing out like it does on old houses and 
these were installed to hold it in.  I have seen other old houses where they 
have drilled holes in the header plate or foundation with cables stretched 
across from one side of the house to the other attached to metal plates on the 
outside of the house which can then be tightened as needed to adjust the 
foundation. The other side of the house looks like its going to need attention 
as there is a section above the concrete/brick foundation that is starting to 
move out.  Obviously will need a lot of cosmetics as well.  Since its a 
forclosure in need of a lot of work I thought about offering no more than $15k, 
and 
 turning it into a long term project.
>> Crazy probably but interesting yes.
>> 
>> https://www.zillow.com/homes/350-s-cedar-nowata-ok_rb/
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] One for Snook

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

Ok. Now I see it.   Cool car.  But, my nostalgia for my first Mercedes is for a 
71 250.   But, it will have to wait I don't need a project now while trying to 
find a new job and possibly move. 

Don Snook 

-Original Message-
From: Dan Penoff [mailto:d...@penoff.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 5:21 PM
To: Mercedes List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] One for Snook

Works for me:

https://nashville.craigslist.org/cto/6143179567.html

Must have dropped the “l” on the end.

Try it now.

-D


> On May 30, 2017, at 6:14 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 30 May 2017 18:07:48 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Since you’re thinking about moving to Nashville?  Or Memphis?
>> 
>> https://nashville.craigslist.org/cto/6143179567.htm
> 
> 
>There is nothing here
> 
>No web page for this address
> 
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> 
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Re: [MBZ] One for Snook

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

It's Memphis. But, I am still waiting to hear.   The link was dead by the way. 

Don Snook 

-Original Message-
From: Dan Penoff [mailto:d...@penoff.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 5:08 PM
To: Mercedes List 
Subject: [MBZ] One for Snook

Since you’re thinking about moving to Nashville?  Or Memphis?

https://nashville.craigslist.org/cto/6143179567.htm

-D




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Re: [MBZ] Very nice 126

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

One of my BMWs is black and we certainly exceed 100F degrees here in Kansas - 
especially in August.   The other BMW looks black, but is technically Cosmos 
Black.  It is a metallic charcoal gray.   

Don Snook 

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Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 4:50 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Very nice 126

Nope, it's black - not an acceptable color where the temps exceed 100F

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 4:47 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes < 
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Looks nice, but no vergassers.
>
> I’m currently looking for a finnie, nothing else.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -D
>
>
> > On May 30, 2017, at 5:41 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > This looks pretty nice.  If I was in the market for a 126, I would 
> > be
> all over this.
> >
> > Dan, are you still looking for a 126?
> >
> > https://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/6148788595.html
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Poosing the Paints

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

Dan wrote: 

"You guys are doing this all wrong if it’s taking you more than 45 minutes to 
an hour to clay bar a whole car.  In most cases I’m done in 30 minutes. 
Vertical surfaces usually don’t benefit that much from a clay bar, as they 
don’t accumulate near as much dirt as a horizontal surface does.  Unless a 
finish is really, really dirty, I rarely clay bar the doors or fenders.  I’ll 
hit one spot and see if I can tell a difference to determine whether or not to 
do it." 


The one that took me the longest was a white Mercury Grand Marquis.  I think 
white paint is deceptive.  It doesn't show dirt.  But, I did have to do the 
sides because I could definitely feel dirt in the paint.  Maybe this car was 
especially dirty.  When I clayed my BMW, it didn't take near as long, probably 
because it had been taken care of by the previous owner. 

Don Snook 

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Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 4:39 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Poosing the Paints


Knead the clay into a flat piece about 2” x 3”.  Spray down an area about 2’ x 
2’ on the roof of the car, for example.  Just wet it, it doesn’t have to be 
soaking.

With the clay flat on the surface, move it back and forth the long dimension of 
the car with your fingers flat on the clay, moving from the center to the 
outside or vice versa.  Doesn’t matter where you start.  You don’t have to 
apply pressure, just make sure as much of the clay is in contact with the 
surface as possible.  If you feel the clay dragging or catching on the finish, 
you need more lubricant - just give it a spritz where it’s dragging to wet the 
surface down more.

When you have finished the area, flip the clay over and use the remaining clean 
side to do the next section.  When you’re done, fold the clay over onto itself 
several times and knead it out into another flat piece to expose a clean 
surface.

You should be able to do the roof with four turns, that is, only having to 
fold/knead the clay twice.

You can form the clay to fit in between trim or narrow areas of the paint.  
I’ll also run it along the edges of seals and weatherstripping where they meet 
the painted surfaces as well.

If the clay is dirty looking, fold it over several times, knead it out, make 
another flat piece and go at it.

Vertical surfaces usually don’t benefit that much from a clay bar, as they 
don’t accumulate near as much dirt as a horizontal surface does.  Unless a 
finish is really, really dirty, I rarely clay bar the doors or fenders.  I’ll 
hit one spot and see if I can tell a difference to determine whether or not to 
do it.

You can run your fingers across the (dry) surface of the paint on a “before” 
and “after” area of the car and you’ll know exactly how well it did.  There’s 
also what’s known as the ‘plastic bag test” that uses a plastic bag from 
WalMart or any other retailer that uses the disposable plastic bags to run over 
the surface, as they will “catch” on a dirty surface as well.  I’ve found my 
fingers do just fine and I don’t have to worry about tossing them in the trash 
or recycling them when I’m done.

-D



> On May 30, 2017, at 3:57 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> I tried using the clay bar once and resolved never to do this again.  Way too 
> painstaking.
> 
> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 12:02 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
> > wrote:
> I second the suggestion to use a Clay Bar.   I have tried it on a several 
> cars and it made a HUGE difference.  The paint afterward is smooth and slick 
> and this was even before putting any kind of wax on it.  All the warnings 
> about using a clay bar are very important.   Divide your bar into several 
> smaller pieces so if you drop it on the ground, you throw it away!  Make sure 
> you have some sort of lubricant -- whether it’s a specific clay bar solution 
> or just some nice soapy water.   It takes a long time, but it is well worth 
> it!
> 
> Don Snook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Dan Penoff [mailto:d...@penoff.com ]
> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 3:39 PM
> To: Mercedes List >
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Poosing the Paints
> 
> Wash it, clay bar it, then put a good coat of quality wax on it and be done.
> 
> The extreme finish recoveries I’ve done are outliers.  It’s very, very rare 
> that you’ll ever need to do something that extreme.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> > On May 26, 2017, at 4:33 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
> > > wrote:
> >
> > I'm going to wash it in the morning and I'll take some pics.  It looks like 
> > mostly carwash scratching and fading in general, it is all over the car, 
> > just dull.  There might be a few spots of clearcoat (I'm pretty sure it has 
> > clearcoat) that look like they might fail before long but 

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes V12s

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I have seen that these cars are fairly durable, though repair costs can 
be high due to there being 2 of everything in there. But if you do your 
own work on them, would that be much of an issue for the fun factor?


--FT


On 5/31/17 11:34 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:

I was.  But, I noticed that my original message said a normal person "can" 
afford to drive one.  That was the opposite of what I meant to say.

Don Snook
2000 BMW 740iL 232K miles
1999 BMW 103K miles
1992 Ford F-150 (ole red)

-Original Message-
From: OK Don [mailto:okd...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 4:37 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 138, Issue 228

If you are replying to my comment about a fun to drive AMG 600, then it was 
tongue-in-cheek. You are correct - couldn't afford to drive one . . . even my 
airplane is probably cheaper to operate.

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 4:06 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes < 
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


I meant for my original email to say CANNOT.  In other words, you
better be a mechanic or rich if you want to drive a 12 cyl MB.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:33 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 138, Issue 228

True, but only TO the repair shop not away from the repair shop.


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I thought the conventional wisdom was a normal person can afford to drive
a 12 Cyl. MB.   That's what my mechanic always told me.


Donald H. Snook



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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 138, Issue 228

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

I was.  But, I noticed that my original message said a normal person "can" 
afford to drive one.  That was the opposite of what I meant to say. 

Don Snook 
2000 BMW 740iL 232K miles 
1999 BMW 103K miles
1992 Ford F-150 (ole red) 

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 4:37 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 138, Issue 228

If you are replying to my comment about a fun to drive AMG 600, then it was 
tongue-in-cheek. You are correct - couldn't afford to drive one . . . even my 
airplane is probably cheaper to operate.

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 4:06 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes < 
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I meant for my original email to say CANNOT.  In other words, you 
> better be a mechanic or rich if you want to drive a 12 cyl MB.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: G Mann [mailto:g2ma...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:33 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 138, Issue 228
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 138, Issue 228

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Ammunition, fuel, booze.  If I carry that thought any further, I'll be in
trouble.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 11:05 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> damn boy you gonna have a regular compound out there in the boonies.  I
> guess we can all drive our dizzels down there and camp out after the
> Brirriant Reader smokes us with an EMP.
>
> Dizzels and guns, what more do we need?
>
> --FT
>
>
> On 5/30/17 6:18 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Thanks for asking.
>> Nothing worthy just yet. Been focused on putting up the new shop, and all
>> the prep work for that [engineering, permits, etc, etc.]  It is 120' x 70'
>> with 14' eve height. All the ground work is now done for that. Leveled 3
>> acres while I had the machinery on site to prep for the other 4 buildings
>> at the same time.
>>
>> Once it's up, will be on the bus project pretty much full time so should
>> produce a flood of progress pics then
>> Stand by ... Mercedes bus to come.. ;)))  Then the 82 300CD restoration,
>> then all the other projects...
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>>
>> Hey G-man, how's the bus project coming along?  Any piccies we can drool
>>> over?
>>>
>>> --FT
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 138, Issue 228

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

damn boy you gonna have a regular compound out there in the boonies.  I 
guess we can all drive our dizzels down there and camp out after the 
Brirriant Reader smokes us with an EMP.


Dizzels and guns, what more do we need?

--FT


On 5/30/17 6:18 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Thanks for asking.
Nothing worthy just yet. Been focused on putting up the new shop, and all
the prep work for that [engineering, permits, etc, etc.]  It is 120' x 70'
with 14' eve height. All the ground work is now done for that. Leveled 3
acres while I had the machinery on site to prep for the other 4 buildings
at the same time.

Once it's up, will be on the bus project pretty much full time so should
produce a flood of progress pics then
Stand by ... Mercedes bus to come.. ;)))  Then the 82 300CD restoration,
then all the other projects...


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Hey G-man, how's the bus project coming along?  Any piccies we can drool
over?

--FT


On 5/30/17 4:33 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:


True, but only TO the repair shop not away from the repair shop.


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Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of
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Re: [MBZ] Seller in over their head

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Spot of rust not fixed?  How much more hiding?  Not on a $9k car...

--FT


On 5/30/17 5:39 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:

https://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/6143514386.html

Don Snook
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Re: [MBZ] Way beyond OT - Replacing CA avocado groves with coffee plantations

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I have pretty much quit eating avocados because I have learned that the 
big demand for them has incentivized Mexican farmers to cut down the 
monarch forest to plant avo trees.  Boo.


--FT


On 5/30/17 6:52 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

But wait, so-called "climate change" is supposed to be BAD!  Who are these
people that would dare to actually try to make something positive out of it?

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 4:58 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


I just had to share this mind-boggling little news clip.
MEET THE CALIF. COFFEE CRAZE

Southern California avocado groves are finding economic revitalization in
coffee.

Farmers are confronting a problem of aging avocado trees in the region that
are producing less fruit. At the same time, many also are noting the ways
climate change is threatening to damage coffee crops in traditional export
areas. Southern California-grown coffee, many believe, is an answer to both
problems.



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Re: [MBZ] OT Old house projects

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Knob and tube is quite safe, wonder why they have that policy?  I guess 
it is really old so maybe insulation issues, but since the conductors 
are separated it is not much of an issue as far as shorting.


--FT


On 5/31/17 12:41 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:

I found out that USAA won't insure a house with any knob-and-tube wiring.



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“Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or 
petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] I hate these kits

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

"Has been used in lots of parades to carry queens."

Gay pride parades, etc.

--FT


On 5/30/17 5:43 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote:

These are the worst.  AND its built on a Chevette body?

https://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/6148904850.html

Don Snook
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petty,
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Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] Anyone in/near Richmond, VA?

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

That's right - thanks!

-D

> On May 31, 2017, at 7:59 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
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> Larry is in that area.
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 7:30 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Got a car I might want to check out there. Reached out to the Choirboy
>> since that used to be his old haunt, but no response from him.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] OT Old house projects

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Really. Interesting.

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 138, Issue 228

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

According to the EPA, the whole continent is under water, thus subject 
to WOTUS, in spite of the fact that there is NO law stating such.



G Mann via Mercedes 
May 31, 2017 at 12:05 AM
Permit for grading and drainage, because the EPA has dictated any water
shed area has to have an engineered study before the drainage can be
modified... [go figure... the government in action.. ]

Then... because the building covers ground by virtue of having a roof...
the run off has to be calculated and accounted for when it rains [The
government didn't get the memo that this is the desert and it only rains
0.20 inches per year... ]

Then... because it has a flush toilet.. which goes into a septic 
system.. I

have to have an "Approved Plan and Installation for Septic"

The list goes on and on... to date.. a bit more than $8,000 in permit
fees and another $12,000 in engineering fees to produce drawings with
engineers registered stamp for the various elements of the project.

All for a place to build Mercedes and restore them... and other 
projects...


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Re: [MBZ] Anyone in/near Richmond, VA?

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Larry is in that area.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 7:30 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
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> Got a car I might want to check out there. Reached out to the Choirboy
> since that used to be his old haunt, but no response from him.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dan
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[MBZ] Anyone in/near Richmond, VA?

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Got a car I might want to check out there. Reached out to the Choirboy since 
that used to be his old haunt, but no response from him.

Thanks,

Dan

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[MBZ] Bundt rims

[MG via Mercedes]

Who was it that had some 15" bundt wheels for sale?

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