Re: [MBZ] Somebody crapped their pants on the interstate

2018-04-22 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
> > Curley wrote:
> >
> > ISU solar car team did that about 10 years ago on I35
> > somewhere around KC.   Smashed the big Dog van, the trailer,
> > the solar car, and a few kids. 

> Mitch wrote:
> 
> Educated Engineering Students did that?

Educated engineer != common sense.

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Re: [MBZ] Somebody crapped their pants on the interstate

2018-04-22 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
My observation of that incident is, it clearly demonstrates the disconnect
between "education" and "practical application".

"Education" of today give a false sense of "knowledge equals result", while
"Practical Application" frequently kicks "Educations" ass, via the
application of real world results.

YMMV,
Grant...

On Sun, Apr 22, 2018 at 8:36 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> yep Enginerroring   Well, to be fair, there is no requirement to be on the
> team.   Generally, most of them are in the kolledge of enginerroring.
>  (more properly called, College of computer simulation)
>
>
> Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> On April 22, 2018 at 10:59 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes<
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> ISU solar car team did that about 10 years ago on I35 somewhere around
>>> KC.   Smashed the big Dog van, the trailer, the solar car, and a few
>>> kids.
>>>
>>
>> Educated Engineering Students did that?
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Somebody crapped their pants on the interstate

2018-04-22 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
yep Enginerroring   Well, to be fair, there is no requirement to be on 
the team.   Generally, most of them are in the kolledge of 
enginerroring.   (more properly called, College of computer simulation)



Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

On April 22, 2018 at 10:59 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:


ISU solar car team did that about 10 years ago on I35 somewhere around
KC.   Smashed the big Dog van, the trailer, the solar car, and a few
kids.


Educated Engineering Students did that?



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Re: [MBZ] OT - but nice

2018-04-22 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

> On April 22, 2018 at 10:32 PM clay monroe via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> My supervisor at the place of employment, being a younger man, feels that the 
> youth of this day, will be  a boon to our future.  I disagree.  The theory is 
> that these children are more open to all the differences and will be more 
> supportive of the plethora of options.  That it may decrease discord.  I am 
> not able to vouch for his perceptions.

Neither am I.

What I'm seeing is virulent to violent intolerance towards:
1. Diversity of opinions. If you don't agree with them, you're evil and must 
die. 
2. Whiteness of skin. If you're white you can't be right. 
3. Christianity. All other religions must be tolerated, but that one must be 
destroyed, along with any backwards thinking racist who believes in it.

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Re: [MBZ] Somebody crapped their pants on the interstate

2018-04-22 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

> On April 22, 2018 at 10:59 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> ISU solar car team did that about 10 years ago on I35 somewhere around 
> KC.   Smashed the big Dog van, the trailer, the solar car, and a few 
> kids. 

Educated Engineering Students did that?

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Re: [MBZ] E320 question (1998)

2018-04-22 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
I'd have to check the fuse diagram tomorrow, but I bet he poked a coin down in 
to where he shorted out the socket and popped the fuse.

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Re: [MBZ] Education

2018-04-22 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
While I was in college, I talked to a guy living next door who was a 
brickmason.  I decided I shoulda found where to apprentice.   That FL 
dude made a LOT of money.


Now, if I had to recommend, I'd say learn how to teach  (with AI) or 
program machining centers.  A friend of mine does, and travels the world 
as he wishes.   He is at the post-doctorate level in the industry.


clay monroe via Mercedes wrote:

In looking around at the local market, as opposed to the AK schools for 
secondary education, there are almost NO programs for the non-prep students.  
Gone are shop classes, horticulture, anything that would engage the hands and 
minds of the bulk of the kids.  AK had all manner of cool programs, from 
electrician training, avionics, and all the trades/skills the economy up there 
requires.  The kids come out pretty much employable without needing more than 
training on the job.

clay

1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately&  well tailored crap
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers





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Re: [MBZ] OT: KitchenAid Commercial Score

2018-04-22 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes

Ditto,

But I also have had several 20 Qt hobarts, and one 30 Qt.  I use the 20 
qts for meat grinder, mixing bread dough, and cookie dough.   At 
Christmas, I normally only have to mix one type of cookie dough once.  
(We make lotsa cookies)   With the K5 or k45, KA, it takes a lot of batches.


Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

We splurged on a KitchenAid not long after we were first married.  I say 
splurged because it was a major purchase for us at the time.

We still have it today and it works like a champ.  I’ve had to replace the 
beater a couple of times since it’s some sort of coated metal that gets worn 
out, but the bowls and everything else we have for it are all original and 
still working.

-D



On Apr 22, 2018, at 8:32 PM, Greg Fiorentino via 
Mercedes  wrote:

My sons have set up households, bought houses and are getting married this 
year. I decided to buy each of them and their respective fiancées quality stand 
mixers and food processors. I had located a Japanese-made Cuisinart DLC-7 Super 
Pro on CL a while back, but put off getting it because it was located in an 
out-of-the-way area. But yesterday I located a vintage KitchenAid  Commercial 
mixer (KSMC50S) in an out-of-the-way spot near the other one. So I was able to 
get both on the same trip.



Bonus: the weather was great, and the drive took me through Portland's Forest 
Park!



Greg

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Re: [MBZ] OT: KitchenAid Commercial Score

2018-04-22 Thread clay monroe via Mercedes
Best thing I think we got were the knives.  SWMBA got a sewing machine from her 
folks.  Both served well, and we each kept out gifts.  The knives are used 
everyday, the machine, not so much.  We had to purchase the kitchen aid mixer 
on our own.  I kept the lift bowl mixer, and SWMBA got herself the secured bowl 
sort.

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1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers







> On Apr 22, 2018, at 5:36 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> We splurged on a KitchenAid not long after we were first married.  I say 
> splurged because it was a major purchase for us at the time.
> 
> We still have it today and it works like a champ.  I’ve had to replace the 
> beater a couple of times since it’s some sort of coated metal that gets worn 
> out, but the bowls and everything else we have for it are all original and 
> still working.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Apr 22, 2018, at 8:32 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> My sons have set up households, bought houses and are getting married this 
>> year. I decided to buy each of them and their respective fiancées quality 
>> stand mixers and food processors. I had located a Japanese-made Cuisinart 
>> DLC-7 Super Pro on CL a while back, but put off getting it because it was 
>> located in an out-of-the-way area. But yesterday I located a vintage 
>> KitchenAid  Commercial mixer (KSMC50S) in an out-of-the-way spot near the 
>> other one. So I was able to get both on the same trip.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Bonus: the weather was great, and the drive took me through Portland's 
>> Forest Park!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Greg
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Re: [MBZ] Somebody crapped their pants on the interstate

2018-04-22 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes



Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

It also takes the stupidity to accelerate instead of slowing when the shimmy 
starts, doesn't it?

YUP!

Or does it sometimes just hit you hard and fast without prior warning?
Depends on the level of stupidity.   Light tow/heavy load with no tongue 
weight could smack you fast.   Normally, with moderate attention to 
physics, you will have a warning to slow IMMEDIATELY.  (fishtailing)

Mitch.




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[MBZ] E320 question (1998)

2018-04-22 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
My friend messed up his E320 cigarette lighter, poking the cavity with a
toothpick to retrieve a small object.  Now it won't work at all so he can't
charge his phone while driving.  Has anyone BTDT or know how to fix this?
Replace the ash tray?  I doubt it's a fuse since everything else works.  I
would tackle this myself but he lives across the river.
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Re: [MBZ] Too Many Digits, But...

2018-04-22 Thread clay monroe via Mercedes
I think it is possible.  You can special order pretty much what you want I 
would assume.  At least back in the day.  Might have been some sort of 
restrictions that you had to choose a package, but I am not sure what the 
continental situation was.


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1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers







> On Apr 22, 2018, at 9:50 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Did any MBZ ever leave the factory with green seats and tan carpet?
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Somebody crapped their pants on the interstate

2018-04-22 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
ISU solar car team did that about 10 years ago on I35 somewhere around 
KC.   Smashed the big Dog van, the trailer, the solar car, and a few 
kids.  Not a happy day.   The disaster in moving sez to keep their 
trailers at 45 MPH or lass.


Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Just got home with the 190d. Earlier as I was coming out of Springfield Mo the 
speed goes from 60 up to 70. Right at the 70 zone I start getting up to speed 
to pass a truck pulling a car in the right lane. I am in the left lane. I think 
he may have had the car on a car dolly but it might have been a trailer. And he 
may have had the car loaded backward, as in, the rear of the car facing 
forward. Anyway, as I am passing him he decides to speed up. I hear him 
downshift as he is speeding up. Right as I get past him I see his load start to 
sway back and forth. By this time I’m going about 75 and I estimate him at 
around. I watch in the mirror as he loses control of his trailer. Next thing I 
know the trailer is dragging his truck into circles going down the highway and 
he comes to a complete stop facing the wrong direction but oriented across both 
lanes. In the mean time the cars behind him are hitting the ditch on both sides 
of the interstate. By now I am too far down the road so I am not sure what 
happened after that. If a semi came up in it at that point, or anybody pulling 
a trailer for that matter they probably would not be able to stop in time. 
Worse case somebody is dead. Best case the guy needs to clean out his shorts.






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Re: [MBZ] Somebody crapped their pants on the interstate

2018-04-22 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
Keep lots of weight on the tongue.   There is no truck too big for a 
load, but there are lots of "trucks" too small for a load.


Glad you were out of the way.

Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Just got home with the 190d. Earlier as I was coming out of Springfield Mo the 
speed goes from 60 up to 70. Right at the 70 zone I start getting up to speed 
to pass a truck pulling a car in the right lane. I am in the left lane. I think 
he may have had the car on a car dolly but it might have been a trailer. And he 
may have had the car loaded backward, as in, the rear of the car facing 
forward. Anyway, as I am passing him he decides to speed up. I hear him 
downshift as he is speeding up. Right as I get past him I see his load start to 
sway back and forth. By this time I’m going about 75 and I estimate him at 
around. I watch in the mirror as he loses control of his trailer. Next thing I 
know the trailer is dragging his truck into circles going down the highway and 
he comes to a complete stop facing the wrong direction but oriented across both 
lanes. In the mean time the cars behind him are hitting the ditch on both sides 
of the interstate. By now I am too far down the road so I am not sure what 
happened after that. If a semi came up in it at that point, or anybody pulling 
a trailer for that matter they probably would not be able to stop in time. 
Worse case somebody is dead. Best case the guy needs to clean out his shorts.

Sent from my iPhone





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Re: [MBZ] Education

2018-04-22 Thread clay monroe via Mercedes
In looking around at the local market, as opposed to the AK schools for 
secondary education, there are almost NO programs for the non-prep students.  
Gone are shop classes, horticulture, anything that would engage the hands and 
minds of the bulk of the kids.  AK had all manner of cool programs, from 
electrician training, avionics, and all the trades/skills the economy up there 
requires.  The kids come out pretty much employable without needing more than 
training on the job.

clay 

1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers







> On Apr 22, 2018, at 7:33 AM, tyee165 via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Most folks do not want their children to be blue collar workers but most of 
> the children would be better off if trained for a trade than if they just get 
> a liberal arts degree.
> Here in Manitoba, apprentices get tuition paid and get unemployment insurance 
> during the periods when they go back to school so they will not live high on 
> the hog, so to speak, but they can survive on their own if need be.
> My elder son is an architect with 7 years of university and a master's 
> degree. My younger one is a red seal journeyman auto tech. I paid to educate 
> the elder one so he had no student loans. The taxpayer paid to educate the 
> younger one. His investment was in tools but many trades do not require much 
> in that regard. His friend the electrician has very little in the way of 
> tools.
> RB
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Garden Hose Recommendations

2018-04-22 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
Go to the industrial hose shop.  They can sell you a real nose.  
Goodyear makes HD 3/4" yellow hoses that will take hot water up to 180 
or 200º F.   A 50 footer will set you back about $200, but you'll never 
need to buy another hose.  They will also sell  you regular hose for a 
lot less jack.   Surely your fair city has one or three.



On Sat, 21 Apr 2018 13:47:11 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
  wrote:


I am trying to find a 3/4” 50’ long garden hose that isn’t one of those
stupid “expandable” hoses and is fairly heavy duty.  My Crapsman hoses
of nearly 25 years have finally succumbed to the environment here in
Floriduh, so I need to find some replacements.  Looking around I am
overwhelmed at the choices, none of them terribly impressive to me.




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Re: [MBZ] OT - but nice

2018-04-22 Thread clay monroe via Mercedes
In talking with other old farts, it seems most of us were able to pull of a 
summer job to provide the bulk of funding our educations required.  At least to 
cover tuition.

Now, a kid would need to pull in close to $30k over three months so she could 
have a degree at a four year school.  

clay 

1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers







> On Apr 22, 2018, at 7:13 AM, tyee165 via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Education is a wonderful thing but people should not expect to borrow to 
> finance something that will not provide a career path and then expect to be 
> forgiven for not paying their debt.
> RB
> 
> 
> Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A
>  Original message From: Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  Date: 2018-04-22  8:31 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: Mercedes 
> Discussion List  Cc: Mitch Haley 
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - but nice 
> 
>> On April 21, 2018 at 11:17 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> It's a secret plot to enslave a whole generation with "education" loans that 
>> they can never repay.  It's important to keep them stupid so they don't 
>> figure out the plot.  In the future, these drones will be loyal to whoever 
>> promises (but never delivers) relief on these debts.  Debts, by the way, 
>> that can't be discharged through bankruptcy.
> 
> I think the old 7 year rule of the 1980s and 1990s was a happy medium between 
> the abuses of the 1970s (the first real world court experience for a new 
> attorney was often the filing of bankruptcy on his student loans) and the 
> current 'haunt you to your grave' situation. If the student was still unable 
> to pay his loans 7 years after his deferments expired, we'd admit the 
> education was a bad investment and let it go. 
> 
> I don't expect anything like 'make them non-dischargeable for 7-10 years' to 
> gain any traction legislatively these days. If they went back to that, 
> millions of low income asset free student loan debtors would file BK in the 
> first six months. 
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Re: [MBZ] Today’s 240D accomplishment

2018-04-22 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes

Waytago!

Dimitri via Mercedes wrote:

I’ve been driving my 240D with a nonfunctional driver’s side window since the 
fall. Manual window regulator broke and glass separated from the rubber lined 
channel which is bolted to regulator. The window would therefore no longer hold 
in place so with the door card removed, I wedged some wooden shims between the 
glass and metal slot in the door frame to keep it from sliding down. For 
further security, I duct taped the glass to the door frame. The result was 
pretty “ghetto”! I felt like a first class citizen opening a duct taped covered 
door in order to pay the toll booth operators, but hey, Maine is pretty redneck 
so I guess shouldn’t have been that embarrassed!

The channel in which the bottom of window sat was heavily rusted so I removed 
the rubber inner channel, scraped and sanded off the loose rust and painted it 
with miracle paint. I then replaced the regulator with a new one purchased from 
crock auto, slid the rubber back onto the bottom of the window, slid it into 
the newly painted channel and bolted it to the regulator. Works perfectly!





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Re: [MBZ] OT - but nice

2018-04-22 Thread clay monroe via Mercedes
The common excuse for pushing higher education upon the populace is that it 
“shows you can set your mind to something and accomplish a long term task”.  
So, you are able to take four years to learn something pretty much worthless, 
and end up with massive debt.   This is supposed to impress a potential 
employer?  He will bend over backward to give you a career?

ITT Tech will proclaim they have 95% employment for all graduates (pulled that 
out of my hat).  Those jobs will not be what the student paid for, but hey, 
Starbucks is a job, same as Wally world.


clay 

1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers







> On Apr 22, 2018, at 6:31 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On April 21, 2018 at 11:17 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> It's a secret plot to enslave a whole generation with "education" loans that 
>> they can never repay.  It's important to keep them stupid so they don't 
>> figure out the plot.  In the future, these drones will be loyal to whoever 
>> promises (but never delivers) relief on these debts.  Debts, by the way, 
>> that can't be discharged through bankruptcy.
> 
> I think the old 7 year rule of the 1980s and 1990s was a happy medium between 
> the abuses of the 1970s (the first real world court experience for a new 
> attorney was often the filing of bankruptcy on his student loans) and the 
> current 'haunt you to your grave' situation. If the student was still unable 
> to pay his loans 7 years after his deferments expired, we'd admit the 
> education was a bad investment and let it go. 
> 
> I don't expect anything like 'make them non-dischargeable for 7-10 years' to 
> gain any traction legislatively these days. If they went back to that, 
> millions of low income asset free student loan debtors would file BK in the 
> first six months. 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Copart 190d

2018-04-22 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes

I thought it was pronounced vulva

Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes wrote:

It's an OLVO!

-Original Message-
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Striplin via Mercedes
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Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Copart 190d

A photo for your viewing pleasure. I got to get me one of those





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Re: [MBZ] Cargo voltage regulator brush packs?

2018-04-22 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
Stealer's gotta pay for the yacht somehow.   The bigger the body of 
water, the bigger the boat/bill.  =  Bigger "stealer security" bolts.


13mm and 17mm is all I need for the MBs in my fleet.  No "stealer 
security" bolts here!


Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:


I hadn't seen that, but did figure out this morning that VRs of unknown origins 
might result in unknown voltages. So now, I need to remove the alternator and 
ascertain that it's a Bosch, and then find myself a Bosch/Hella/similar VR to 
put in it.

The manual I found says I need to use an external torx wrench on the tensioner 
pulley bolt to swing the tensioner to the left and remove the belt.
Looking at the tensioner on my ML, I see an internal security torx bolt of 
fairly large (T-50?) proportions. Why would anyone specify a security fastener 
for that application, forcing me to invest in some ridiculously large torx bits 
with holes in them? The USA brands like to make it as easy as possible to 
remove tension from the serpentine belt, they don't put security fasteners in 
place to prevent non-dealer belt replacement.

Mitch.





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Re: [MBZ] OT - but nice

2018-04-22 Thread clay monroe via Mercedes
My supervisor at the place of employment, being a younger man, feels that the 
youth of this day, will be  a boon to our future.  I disagree.  The theory is 
that these children are more open to all the differences and will be more 
supportive of the plethora of options.  That it may decrease discord.  I am not 
able to vouch for his perceptions.

The children of the higher educations will be vastly in debt.  Will have not 
gathered enough smarts to be of value to employers.  Will feel themselves to be 
deserving of rewards in excess of their efforts.  Will expect to be given the 
love they demand, but may not have gotten from mommy and daddy.  They will have 
put themselves in a level of debt that will preclude a life of future success 
or ability to support a family in a home of their own.  

College is a luxury, not a right, or a requirement to success.  There are more 
avocations with a need for employees than the colleges.  The business of 
business requires workers.  The business of education requires those who will 
pay to hear lies from the overly educated.

clay 

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1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
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1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers







> On Apr 21, 2018, at 8:17 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It's a secret plot to enslave a whole generation with "education" loans that 
> they can never repay.  It's important to keep them stupid so they don't 
> figure out the plot.  In the future, these drones will be loyal to whoever 
> promises (but never delivers) relief on these debts.  Debts, by the way, that 
> can't be discharged through bankruptcy.
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of clay
>> monroe via Mercedes
>> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 7:52 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Cc: clay monroe 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - but nice
>> 
>> I took youngest child for campus visit to a state college.  I was disgusted 
>> by the
>> whole milieu.  Complete abrogation of responsibility by the students and all
>> manner of SJW monkey pranks.  I am sure there will be trouble in our future 
>> if
>> this stuff goes on much longer.
>> 
>> And when did this forum devolve into the Hitler list?
>> 
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>>> On Apr 20, 2018, at 12:50 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Stop being so political. ;)
>>> 
>>> On Apr 20, 2018 12:24 PM, "Dwight Giles via Mercedes"
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 I thought no politics here?
 
 Dwight Giles Jr.
 Wickford RI
 
 On Apr 20, 2018 12:02 PM, "Mountain Man via Mercedes" <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 wrote:
 
> some people may not like it, but it was inspiring
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2qIXXafxCQ&app=desktop
> tin.man
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Re: [MBZ] Cargo voltage regulator brush packs?

2018-04-22 Thread clay monroe via Mercedes
When the oriental manufacturing concerns make real products instead of sad 
approximations that just might kill a person, maybe consumers will give 
respect.  Until then, they remain the Yugo of the world

clay 

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1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

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1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers







> On Apr 21, 2018, at 7:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Would it kill you to write "Chinese" properly?
> 
> On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 9:19 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Probably ok.   I used to get chinee ones from the local Auto Electric
>> before he  shut down.  They seemed to last at least as long as  the ones in
>> the Gen U Wine Bosch box.
>> 
>> Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>>> Ever heard of this brand?
>>> Sells for about the same as Bosch cost 15 years ago.
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/152970946216
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Listed in SantaBarbara, located in Huntsville - nice.

2018-04-22 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes

Scam

Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
It's clearly a nazi car, unclear if forced labor was involved in its 
production


"over built perhaps from being produced on the same assembly lines 
that produced German tanks during WW2 in Stuttgart"


But with this attribute we can overlook its fascist history:

"With the nature of mechanical diesel engines, the vehicles can be 
stored for prolonged periods of time and jumped back into service 
without any quarrels."


who could quarrel with that?

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Re: [MBZ] Ebay photographer of the week

2018-04-22 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
Yes,124 wheels. Forgot to! Zoom.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

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> Good enough picture to tell the wheels are wrong.
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Re: [MBZ] Ebay photographer of the week

2018-04-22 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
Good enough picture to tell the wheels are wrong.

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[MBZ] Ebay photographer of the week

2018-04-22 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1985-Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-coupe/152991901931?hash=item239f0728eb:g:T7sAAOSwKhta2zva&vxp=mtr


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Re: [MBZ] OT: KitchenAid Commercial Score

2018-04-22 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
We splurged on a KitchenAid not long after we were first married.  I say 
splurged because it was a major purchase for us at the time.

We still have it today and it works like a champ.  I’ve had to replace the 
beater a couple of times since it’s some sort of coated metal that gets worn 
out, but the bowls and everything else we have for it are all original and 
still working.

-D


> On Apr 22, 2018, at 8:32 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> My sons have set up households, bought houses and are getting married this 
> year. I decided to buy each of them and their respective fiancées quality 
> stand mixers and food processors. I had located a Japanese-made Cuisinart 
> DLC-7 Super Pro on CL a while back, but put off getting it because it was 
> located in an out-of-the-way area. But yesterday I located a vintage 
> KitchenAid  Commercial mixer (KSMC50S) in an out-of-the-way spot near the 
> other one. So I was able to get both on the same trip.
> 
> 
> 
> Bonus: the weather was great, and the drive took me through Portland's Forest 
> Park!
> 
> 
> 
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[MBZ] OT: KitchenAid Commercial Score

2018-04-22 Thread Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes
My sons have set up households, bought houses and are getting married this 
year. I decided to buy each of them and their respective fiancées quality stand 
mixers and food processors. I had located a Japanese-made Cuisinart DLC-7 Super 
Pro on CL a while back, but put off getting it because it was located in an 
out-of-the-way area. But yesterday I located a vintage KitchenAid  Commercial 
mixer (KSMC50S) in an out-of-the-way spot near the other one. So I was able to 
get both on the same trip.

 

Bonus: the weather was great, and the drive took me through Portland's Forest 
Park!

 

Greg

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Re: [MBZ] Somebody crapped their pants on the interstate

2018-04-22 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sun, 22 Apr 2018 09:09:32 -0500 tyee165 via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Back in 1982, my father was still alive and still had the sawmill. We
> bought a new house in the fall of 1981 and wanted to fence the yard
> that next spring. Dad gave us a load of 4x4s and some were 16 footers.
> I borrowed a utility trailer from a friend and set out to haul them
> home. 175 miles. We quickly learned that we could not exceed 40 mph as
> the trailer would start to wag the rear of the car. So long as we
> stayed at 40 mph, it was fine. We could not shift the load forward so
> we putted home slowly. A long trip but no one ran us over. Good thing
> it was daylight. RB

That's what we experienced when we were bringing three 20' lengths of 12"
galvanized pipe from Denver to Calhan, Colorado. We found out when we got
on I-25 and started to accelerate. When we decelerated, the wag went away.
We then quickly got off the Interstate and on to surface streets, going
less than 45 all the way home.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] The military 190d

2018-04-22 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes
On Sun, 22 Apr 2018 13:52:53 -0400 (EDT)
Mitch Haley via Mercedes  wrote:

> I went to school with a boy named Connie. 
> His legal name was Connell. 
> If he was in the military, I doubt he'd be identified as Cpt Connie on his 
> car's purchase contract. 
> OTOH, I don't know how many Captains were women 30 years ago, a female Cpt 
> Connie might be equally unusual at the time. 
> 
> Mitch.

Connie is a pet form of Constance, Cornelius, and Conrad
Gerry
https://www.google.com/search?q=connie+is+short+for+constance&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-1-ab

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Re: [MBZ] OT - but nice

2018-04-22 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
Based on my idiot grandson, these student loans are made with no regard to
scholarship (grades or chance of graduating) or ability to repay.  Liar
loans deja Vu.

On Sun, Apr 22, 2018, 10:13 tyee165 via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Education is a wonderful thing but people should not expect to borrow to
> finance something that will not provide a career path and then expect to be
> forgiven for not paying their debt.
> RB
>
>
> Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A
>  Original message From: Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> Date: 2018-04-22  8:31 AM  (GMT-06:00) To:
> Mercedes Discussion List  Cc: Mitch Haley <
> mi...@mitchellhaley.com> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - but nice
>
> > On April 21, 2018 at 11:17 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > It's a secret plot to enslave a whole generation with "education" loans
> that they can never repay.  It's important to keep them stupid so they
> don't figure out the plot.  In the future, these drones will be loyal to
> whoever promises (but never delivers) relief on these debts.  Debts, by the
> way, that can't be discharged through bankruptcy.
>
> I think the old 7 year rule of the 1980s and 1990s was a happy medium
> between the abuses of the 1970s (the first real world court experience for
> a new attorney was often the filing of bankruptcy on his student loans) and
> the current 'haunt you to your grave' situation. If the student was still
> unable to pay his loans 7 years after his deferments expired, we'd admit
> the education was a bad investment and let it go.
>
> I don't expect anything like 'make them non-dischargeable for 7-10 years'
> to gain any traction legislatively these days. If they went back to that,
> millions of low income asset free student loan debtors would file BK in the
> first six months.
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - but nice

2018-04-22 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Of our two daughters who got student loans to attend Ivy's, one has paid
hers off and the other is close. The third daughter screamed and threw fits
when we wouldn't let her take loans to go Ivy, but later learned that her
State school degree was just fine, and even got her into an Ivy masters
program - at no cost to her. Our son had learned from watching his sisters
and had no problem going to a State school for the undergrad degree, then
getting paid to get the Masters.

On Sun, Apr 22, 2018 at 8:41 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> You cannot discharge student load debt.  That is, Federal student loans.
> I don’t know about private student loans.
>
> The only way to get out of them is through death or forgiveness via one of
> the forgiveness programs they run, such as government service or teaching.
>
> I would add that the forgiveness programs are tricky, in that only certain
> types of Federally subsidized loans qualify.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Apr 22, 2018, at 9:38 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > As far as I know you can’t file bankruptcy on student loans at all.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Apr 22, 2018, at 8:31 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> On April 21, 2018 at 11:17 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> It's a secret plot to enslave a whole generation with "education"
> loans that they can never repay.  It's important to keep them stupid so
> they don't figure out the plot.  In the future, these drones will be loyal
> to whoever promises (but never delivers) relief on these debts.  Debts, by
> the way, that can't be discharged through bankruptcy.
> >>
> >> I think the old 7 year rule of the 1980s and 1990s was a happy medium
> between the abuses of the 1970s (the first real world court experience for
> a new attorney was often the filing of bankruptcy on his student loans) and
> the current 'haunt you to your grave' situation. If the student was still
> unable to pay his loans 7 years after his deferments expired, we'd admit
> the education was a bad investment and let it go.
> >>
> >> I don't expect anything like 'make them non-dischargeable for 7-10
> years' to gain any traction legislatively these days. If they went back to
> that, millions of low income asset free student loan debtors would file BK
> in the first six months.
> >> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] The military 190d

2018-04-22 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
More than 30 years ago I served with a bunch of female Captains... all were
nurses or doctors. So have to say, not all that rare.

On Sun, Apr 22, 2018 at 10:52 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I went to school with a boy named Connie.
> His legal name was Connell.
> If he was in the military, I doubt he'd be identified as Cpt Connie on his
> car's purchase contract.
> OTOH, I don't know how many Captains were women 30 years ago, a female Cpt
> Connie might be equally unusual at the time.
>
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Re: [MBZ] The military 190d

2018-04-22 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
I went to school with a boy named Connie. 
His legal name was Connell. 
If he was in the military, I doubt he'd be identified as Cpt Connie on his 
car's purchase contract. 
OTOH, I don't know how many Captains were women 30 years ago, a female Cpt 
Connie might be equally unusual at the time. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] The military 190d

2018-04-22 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I think it might be a guy. I can’t say as I can’t reveal the data sources I 
have seen, but it looks like it could potentially be a man named “Connie”.

-D


> On Apr 22, 2018, at 1:42 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Kleb oughtta ring her up
> 
> --R
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 22, 2018, at 1:33 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> This is probably them:
>> 
>> https://www.mylife.com/connie-labadie/e459519091092
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 22, 2018, at 1:26 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> So messed with the 190 for a few minutes. Popped a battery in and it just 
>>> clicks, does not turn over. Thinking either the starter is bad or the 
>>> safety switch is bad. So then I figured I would jump it at the terminal 
>>> block. IIRC you just the terminal with the big red wire to the terminal 
>>> with the small screw. In this case the terminal with the small screw has a 
>>> white cloth covered wire that looks like it goes down toward the 
>>> alternator, and a blue wire that goes into the harness that goes into the 
>>> car. On this car they have these 2 cut and spliced to each other. I am not 
>>> sure what the point of that would be as that simply bypasses the terminal 
>>> block. I tried jumping these to the red wire and I didn’t get anything, not 
>>> even a click. I did not spend a whole lot of time with it as it’s cold and 
>>> rainy out today. Sounds like the starter may be dead. I need to hunt for my 
>>> remote starter switch and maybe try it directly on the starter. 
>>> 
>>> So the original warranty book and service book was in the car. Below is a 
>>> photo of the original owner and selling dealer info. Very interesting. The 
>>> stamps in the book start out in Germany, then to tacoma, wa, back to 
>>> Germany a few more times, then all over the US. So the car appears to have 
>>> been back and forth to the fatherland at least 2-3 times. 
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Re: [MBZ] The military 190d

2018-04-22 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
Kleb oughtta ring her up

--R
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> On Apr 22, 2018, at 1:33 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> This is probably them:
> 
> https://www.mylife.com/connie-labadie/e459519091092
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 22, 2018, at 1:26 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> So messed with the 190 for a few minutes. Popped a battery in and it just 
>> clicks, does not turn over. Thinking either the starter is bad or the safety 
>> switch is bad. So then I figured I would jump it at the terminal block. IIRC 
>> you just the terminal with the big red wire to the terminal with the small 
>> screw. In this case the terminal with the small screw has a white cloth 
>> covered wire that looks like it goes down toward the alternator, and a blue 
>> wire that goes into the harness that goes into the car. On this car they 
>> have these 2 cut and spliced to each other. I am not sure what the point of 
>> that would be as that simply bypasses the terminal block. I tried jumping 
>> these to the red wire and I didn’t get anything, not even a click. I did not 
>> spend a whole lot of time with it as it’s cold and rainy out today. Sounds 
>> like the starter may be dead. I need to hunt for my remote starter switch 
>> and maybe try it directly on the starter. 
>> 
>> So the original warranty book and service book was in the car. Below is a 
>> photo of the original owner and selling dealer info. Very interesting. The 
>> stamps in the book start out in Germany, then to tacoma, wa, back to Germany 
>> a few more times, then all over the US. So the car appears to have been back 
>> and forth to the fatherland at least 2-3 times. 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] The military 190d

2018-04-22 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
This is probably them:

https://www.mylife.com/connie-labadie/e459519091092

-D




> On Apr 22, 2018, at 1:26 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So messed with the 190 for a few minutes. Popped a battery in and it just 
> clicks, does not turn over. Thinking either the starter is bad or the safety 
> switch is bad. So then I figured I would jump it at the terminal block. IIRC 
> you just the terminal with the big red wire to the terminal with the small 
> screw. In this case the terminal with the small screw has a white cloth 
> covered wire that looks like it goes down toward the alternator, and a blue 
> wire that goes into the harness that goes into the car. On this car they have 
> these 2 cut and spliced to each other. I am not sure what the point of that 
> would be as that simply bypasses the terminal block. I tried jumping these to 
> the red wire and I didn’t get anything, not even a click. I did not spend a 
> whole lot of time with it as it’s cold and rainy out today. Sounds like the 
> starter may be dead. I need to hunt for my remote starter switch and maybe 
> try it directly on the starter. 
> 
> So the original warranty book and service book was in the car. Below is a 
> photo of the original owner and selling dealer info. Very interesting. The 
> stamps in the book start out in Germany, then to tacoma, wa, back to Germany 
> a few more times, then all over the US. So the car appears to have been back 
> and forth to the fatherland at least 2-3 times. 
> 
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[MBZ] The military 190d

2018-04-22 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
So messed with the 190 for a few minutes. Popped a battery in and it just 
clicks, does not turn over. Thinking either the starter is bad or the safety 
switch is bad. So then I figured I would jump it at the terminal block. IIRC 
you just the terminal with the big red wire to the terminal with the small 
screw. In this case the terminal with the small screw has a white cloth covered 
wire that looks like it goes down toward the alternator, and a blue wire that 
goes into the harness that goes into the car. On this car they have these 2 cut 
and spliced to each other. I am not sure what the point of that would be as 
that simply bypasses the terminal block. I tried jumping these to the red wire 
and I didn’t get anything, not even a click. I did not spend a whole lot of 
time with it as it’s cold and rainy out today. Sounds like the starter may be 
dead. I need to hunt for my remote starter switch and maybe try it directly on 
the starter. 

So the original warranty book and service book was in the car. Below is a photo 
of the original owner and selling dealer info. Very interesting. The stamps in 
the book start out in Germany, then to tacoma, wa, back to Germany a few more 
times, then all over the US. So the car appears to have been back and forth to 
the fatherland at least 2-3 times. 



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Re: [MBZ] OT - but nice

2018-04-22 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

> On April 22, 2018 at 9:41 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> You cannot discharge student load debt.  That is, Federal student loans.  I 
> don’t know about private student loans.

Private and government loans are presumed nondischargeable. That does not mean 
they cannot be discharged. 

In the beginning, student loans were just like any other unsecured debt. 
As I mentioned earlier, it was possible to graduate from law school, file for 
bankruptcy, and never make a payment on 7 years of student loans. 

In 1976, they changed the law to make government backed student loans presumed 
nondischargeable for 5 years after repayment started. Until the five years were 
up, the borrower had to prove repayment constituted 'undue hardship'. Ordinary 
hardship was OK. 
In 1984, private loans were also presumed non-dischargeable. 

Somewhere along the line, five years became 7 years, then in 2005 they 
massively overhauled bankruptcy law, imposing income limits on chapter 7 
bankruptcy filings and making all student loans nondischargeable for life. 

They kept the rare exception for 'undue hardship', which usually means you're 
disabled and can't engage in any substantial economic activity, or you had 
children you couldn't afford to feed and making you repay your loans would 
impose undue hardship on the kids you shouldn't have had in the first place. 
Under the law, it's OK if repayment imposes a hardship, even a severe hardship, 
but if it's undue hardship then you can do something about it. Proving undue 
hardship is normally about as easy as proving your prison sentence constitutes 
cruel and unusual punishment. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Too Many Zeros

2018-04-22 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Paint looks to me like it's oxidized or dusty which distorts the color
in picture. Needs a good wash and a full "Martha" to shine properly.. I'm
betting the Mercedes single stage paint would buff right up to a full shine
and make the car look the right color.

Otherwise, looks like a good car.

On Sun, Apr 22, 2018 at 9:48 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> 1400km per year?
> Is that credible?
> Mitch.
> > On April 22, 2018 at 10:00 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Weird exterior color, looks sort of Earl Sheib-ish:
> >
> > https://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/d/mercedes-benz-1967-
> original/6530642706.html
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Too Many Digits, But...

2018-04-22 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
Did any MBZ ever leave the factory with green seats and tan carpet?
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Too Many Zeros

2018-04-22 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
1400km per year?
Is that credible?
Mitch. 
> On April 22, 2018 at 10:00 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Weird exterior color, looks sort of Earl Sheib-ish:
> 
> https://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/d/mercedes-benz-1967-original/6530642706.html
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Re: [MBZ] OT - but nice

2018-04-22 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Hey, no worse than my Dad wanting me to go into banking like him and my 
brother.  As an executive VP of the bank, he tried to set me up to intern the 
summer after I graduated from high school.  No joy.  Nobody wanted the boss’s 
son hanging around looking over their shoulder.  He knew I was a “nuts and 
bolts” sort of person, but didn’t want to hear it at the time.  After I blew 
off a semester in college he finally faced up to the fact and I enrolled in 
trade school.  Best thing I ever did.

The worst thing was that the high school I went to, which drew from a fairly 
upper middle class area, would only send the “burnouts” to our local 
technical/trade school.  Anyone who didn’t want to go to college was a 
“looser", and not worthy of their educational efforts.  This chafed me big 
time, and surprisingly, my parents realized this.

I signed up for a two year program in printing and graphic arts, something that 
really interested me at the time, and guess what?  My high school “lost” my 
paperwork.  Yup, I’m waiting for my acceptance to the tech school and it never 
comes (I was an A/B student, mind you.)  They deep sixed my paperwork because 
they thought I shouldn’t go there and “waste my education” as my advisor later 
told my parents.

At that point I was done with high school.  I pretty much blew off my last two 
years in an effort to get out as quickly as possible.  I’m still somewhat 
bitter about it. Amazingly enough, a couple of the “burnouts” I knew in high 
school that went to the tech school are now very successful businessmen in the 
local community.  Go figure.

My future wife went to the technical school as well, taking computer 
programming.  She’s been quite successful in her field as well without having 
to obtain a college degree (which she now has having done it well after the 
fact.)

-D


> On Apr 22, 2018, at 12:01 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Drafting, something I had zero skill or interest in. Also a field just about 
> to go through huge upheaval, I'd have learned pencil and paper drafting just 
> in time to have to go back and learn CAD.
> 
> CurtStill no cad skills
> 
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[MBZ] Updated the 400E Blog

2018-04-22 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Added an entry on mirror boot replacement I did yesterday.  Wanted to take on 
the headliner today, just can’t get motivated to do it… oh well.

http://penoff.com/400E_Blog/400E_Blog.html

-D


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Re: [MBZ] OT - but nice

2018-04-22 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Drafting, something I had zero skill or interest in. Also a field just about to 
go through huge upheaval, I'd have learned pencil and paper drafting just in 
time to have to go back and learn CAD.

CurtStill no cad skills

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Mercedes wrote:   What did your dad want you to take?
Gerry
~
> I reckon this has been going on forever. When I picked my major my dad gave 
> me hell "You're going for TELEVISION production?" The next sentence is 
> censored for a family list but I feel like I've done alright...
> -Curt
>  
> G Mann wrote:  
>  >  But, But, But does this mean my "Alternate gender muliti racial
> underwater basket weaving Phd" will not be viable in the work place?  After
> I take on 40 year payback terms for my student loans?
> 
> Oh... the infamy of it all Bad people point out my life choices
> have no viable value.
> 
> What the world needs are more Mercedes mechanics who actually KNOW how to
> fix something.
> (Lite sarcasm folks)These are the children who will become adult age
> and be responsible for caring for us in just a few years... [that should
> scare the be-juzzzus out of us all].
> 
> On Sat, Apr 21, 2018 at 6:30 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > Selective Service registration is required by law.  If he doesn’t register
> > he’s in for some serious trouble. You did him a favor.
> >
> > College is a very, very different place now from what it was when many of
> > us attended.  Rather than a “knuckle down and get your sh*t together
> > because Mom and Dad aren’t here to bail your ass out” sort of place, it’s
> > become a kinder, gentler place for the “life experience”.
> >
> > Ugh.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >
> > > On Apr 21, 2018, at 9:25 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I was aghast at the massive plastering of all manner of “snowflake”
> > posters on any vertical surface.  From hurt feeling issues, to some actual
> > violence, issues, but mostly fear engendering propaganda for all the
> > “support” services on offer.
> > >
> > > This, coupled with the inability of the students to read and obey the
> > posted regulations made me want to jump up and smack some sense into the
> > kids.  There were permanent signage on the central square that bikes should
> > be walked and no skateboards.  Seems simple enough.  The idiot kids were
> > blasting through the wandering children whose noses were suctioned to the
> > phones in their paws.
> > >
> > > To top it off, all manner of gender confused or militant genderists
> > would look at me with abject disgust and snarling because I dared to
> > accompany my male child into their magical safe spaces where he might
> > continue the malign patriarchy is he pursued a technical degree that did
> > not save an endangered ecosystem or right a perceived slight where there
> > never was.  Or, he or I might consume some form of non-locovore, PETA
> > unsanctioned, gluten infused, white guilt nummies.
> > >
> > > Then I had to bite my tongue as SWMBA had a hissy fit that youngest
> > child did not want to share his insights with her, and she was certain I
> > had poisoned his mind against higher learning in an attempt to undermine
> > her.  All I had done was to give the kid the form so he could register for
> > Selective Service, which would allow the financial aid folks to disburse
> > funding should he avail himself of their dollars.
> > >
> > >
> > > clay
> > >
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> > > 1986 SDL - Polei
> > > 1982 300 SD - Allen
> > >
> > > retired models-
> > > 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
> > > 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> > > 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> > > 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> > > POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] Somebody crapped their pants on the interstate

2018-04-22 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
My first snowmobile trailer was slightly tail heavy so it would watch empty. I 
had a couple concrete blocks I would strap to the front so I could drag it 
empty or to help balance a load.

Curt

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  On Sun, Apr 22, 2018 at 10:09 AM, tyee165 via Mercedes 
wrote:   Back in 1982, my father was still alive and still had the sawmill. We 
bought a new house in the fall of 1981 and wanted to fence the yard that next 
spring. Dad gave us a load of 4x4s and some were 16 footers. I borrowed a 
utility trailer from a friend and set out to haul them home. 175 miles. We 
quickly learned that we could not exceed 40 mph as the trailer would start to 
wag the rear of the car. So long as we stayed at 40 mph, it was fine. We could 
not shift the load forward so we putted home slowly. A long trip but no one ran 
us over. Good thing it was daylight.
RB


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 Date: 2018-04-22  8:20 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: Mercedes 
Discussion List  Cc: Mitch Haley 
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Somebody crapped their pants on 
the interstate 

> On April 21, 2018 at 9:56 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I learned this the first time I towed a snowmobile trailer, I didn't have 
> enough tongue weight and it wanted to wag something fierce above about 45mph. 
> Pulled over and shifted the machines forward and all was well. Fortunately I 
> didn't try to go any faster...

I still think that's the *normal* failure mode. But Karl and others have 
convinced me that it's not the only way it can announce itself. 
Mitch

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Re: [MBZ] OT - but nice

2018-04-22 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes
What did your dad want you to take?
Gerry
~
> I reckon this has been going on forever. When I picked my major my dad gave 
> me hell "You're going for TELEVISION production?" The next sentence is 
> censored for a family list but I feel like I've done alright...
> -Curt
>  
> G Mann wrote:  
>  >  But, But, But does this mean my "Alternate gender muliti racial
> underwater basket weaving Phd" will not be viable in the work place?  After
> I take on 40 year payback terms for my student loans?
> 
> Oh... the infamy of it all Bad people point out my life choices
> have no viable value.
> 
> What the world needs are more Mercedes mechanics who actually KNOW how to
> fix something.
> (Lite sarcasm folks)These are the children who will become adult age
> and be responsible for caring for us in just a few years... [that should
> scare the be-juzzzus out of us all].
> 
> On Sat, Apr 21, 2018 at 6:30 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > Selective Service registration is required by law.  If he doesn’t register
> > he’s in for some serious trouble. You did him a favor.
> >
> > College is a very, very different place now from what it was when many of
> > us attended.  Rather than a “knuckle down and get your sh*t together
> > because Mom and Dad aren’t here to bail your ass out” sort of place, it’s
> > become a kinder, gentler place for the “life experience”.
> >
> > Ugh.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >
> > > On Apr 21, 2018, at 9:25 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I was aghast at the massive plastering of all manner of “snowflake”
> > posters on any vertical surface.  From hurt feeling issues, to some actual
> > violence, issues, but mostly fear engendering propaganda for all the
> > “support” services on offer.
> > >
> > > This, coupled with the inability of the students to read and obey the
> > posted regulations made me want to jump up and smack some sense into the
> > kids.  There were permanent signage on the central square that bikes should
> > be walked and no skateboards.  Seems simple enough.  The idiot kids were
> > blasting through the wandering children whose noses were suctioned to the
> > phones in their paws.
> > >
> > > To top it off, all manner of gender confused or militant genderists
> > would look at me with abject disgust and snarling because I dared to
> > accompany my male child into their magical safe spaces where he might
> > continue the malign patriarchy is he pursued a technical degree that did
> > not save an endangered ecosystem or right a perceived slight where there
> > never was.  Or, he or I might consume some form of non-locovore, PETA
> > unsanctioned, gluten infused, white guilt nummies.
> > >
> > > Then I had to bite my tongue as SWMBA had a hissy fit that youngest
> > child did not want to share his insights with her, and she was certain I
> > had poisoned his mind against higher learning in an attempt to undermine
> > her.  All I had done was to give the kid the form so he could register for
> > Selective Service, which would allow the financial aid folks to disburse
> > funding should he avail himself of their dollars.
> > >
> > >
> > > clay
> > >
> > > 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> > > 1986 SDL - Polei
> > > 1982 300 SD - Allen
> > >
> > > retired models-
> > > 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
> > > 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> > > 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> > > 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> > > POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> > >
> > >
> >
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[MBZ] Education

2018-04-22 Thread tyee165 via Mercedes
Most folks do not want their children to be blue collar workers but most of the 
children would be better off if trained for a trade than if they just get a 
liberal arts degree.
Here in Manitoba, apprentices get tuition paid and get unemployment insurance 
during the periods when they go back to school so they will not live high on 
the hog, so to speak, but they can survive on their own if need be.
My elder son is an architect with 7 years of university and a master's degree. 
My younger one is a red seal journeyman auto tech. I paid to educate the elder 
one so he had no student loans. The taxpayer paid to educate the younger one. 
His investment was in tools but many trades do not require much in that regard. 
His friend the electrician has very little in the way of tools.
RB





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Re: [MBZ] Too Many Digits, But...

2018-04-22 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
 Nice

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> On Apr 22, 2018, at 8:57 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Dig that interior!! (And it’s a stick!!))
> 
> https://sarasota.craigslist.org/cto/d/mercedes-benz-250/6557037651.html
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Re: [MBZ] OT - but nice

2018-04-22 Thread tyee165 via Mercedes
Education is a wonderful thing but people should not expect to borrow to 
finance something that will not provide a career path and then expect to be 
forgiven for not paying their debt.
RB


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 Original message From: Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
 Date: 2018-04-22  8:31 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: Mercedes 
Discussion List  Cc: Mitch Haley 
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - but nice 

> On April 21, 2018 at 11:17 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> It's a secret plot to enslave a whole generation with "education" loans that 
> they can never repay.  It's important to keep them stupid so they don't 
> figure out the plot.  In the future, these drones will be loyal to whoever 
> promises (but never delivers) relief on these debts.  Debts, by the way, that 
> can't be discharged through bankruptcy.

I think the old 7 year rule of the 1980s and 1990s was a happy medium between 
the abuses of the 1970s (the first real world court experience for a new 
attorney was often the filing of bankruptcy on his student loans) and the 
current 'haunt you to your grave' situation. If the student was still unable to 
pay his loans 7 years after his deferments expired, we'd admit the education 
was a bad investment and let it go. 

I don't expect anything like 'make them non-dischargeable for 7-10 years' to 
gain any traction legislatively these days. If they went back to that, millions 
of low income asset free student loan debtors would file BK in the first six 
months. 
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Somebody crapped their pants on the interstate

2018-04-22 Thread tyee165 via Mercedes
Back in 1982, my father was still alive and still had the sawmill. We bought a 
new house in the fall of 1981 and wanted to fence the yard that next spring. 
Dad gave us a load of 4x4s and some were 16 footers. I borrowed a utility 
trailer from a friend and set out to haul them home. 175 miles. We quickly 
learned that we could not exceed 40 mph as the trailer would start to wag the 
rear of the car. So long as we stayed at 40 mph, it was fine. We could not 
shift the load forward so we putted home slowly. A long trip but no one ran us 
over. Good thing it was daylight.
RB


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 Date: 2018-04-22  8:20 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: Mercedes 
Discussion List  Cc: Mitch Haley 
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Somebody crapped their pants on 
the interstate 

> On April 21, 2018 at 9:56 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I learned this the first time I towed a snowmobile trailer, I didn't have 
> enough tongue weight and it wanted to wag something fierce above about 45mph. 
> Pulled over and shifted the machines forward and all was well. Fortunately I 
> didn't try to go any faster...

I still think that's the *normal* failure mode. But Karl and others have 
convinced me that it's not the only way it can announce itself. 
Mitch

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[MBZ] Too Many Zeros

2018-04-22 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Weird exterior color, looks sort of Earl Sheib-ish:

https://orlando.craigslist.org/cto/d/mercedes-benz-1967-original/6530642706.html

-D


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[MBZ] Too Many Digits, But...

2018-04-22 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Dig that interior!! (And it’s a stick!!))

https://sarasota.craigslist.org/cto/d/mercedes-benz-250/6557037651.html

-D
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Re: [MBZ] OT - but nice

2018-04-22 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
You cannot discharge student load debt.  That is, Federal student loans.  I 
don’t know about private student loans.

The only way to get out of them is through death or forgiveness via one of the 
forgiveness programs they run, such as government service or teaching.

I would add that the forgiveness programs are tricky, in that only certain 
types of Federally subsidized loans qualify.

-D


> On Apr 22, 2018, at 9:38 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> As far as I know you can’t file bankruptcy on student loans at all.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Apr 22, 2018, at 8:31 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On April 21, 2018 at 11:17 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> It's a secret plot to enslave a whole generation with "education" loans 
>>> that they can never repay.  It's important to keep them stupid so they 
>>> don't figure out the plot.  In the future, these drones will be loyal to 
>>> whoever promises (but never delivers) relief on these debts.  Debts, by the 
>>> way, that can't be discharged through bankruptcy.
>> 
>> I think the old 7 year rule of the 1980s and 1990s was a happy medium 
>> between the abuses of the 1970s (the first real world court experience for a 
>> new attorney was often the filing of bankruptcy on his student loans) and 
>> the current 'haunt you to your grave' situation. If the student was still 
>> unable to pay his loans 7 years after his deferments expired, we'd admit the 
>> education was a bad investment and let it go. 
>> 
>> I don't expect anything like 'make them non-dischargeable for 7-10 years' to 
>> gain any traction legislatively these days. If they went back to that, 
>> millions of low income asset free student loan debtors would file BK in the 
>> first six months. 
>> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - but nice

2018-04-22 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
As far as I know you can’t file bankruptcy on student loans at all.

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> On Apr 22, 2018, at 8:31 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On April 21, 2018 at 11:17 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> It's a secret plot to enslave a whole generation with "education" loans that 
>> they can never repay.  It's important to keep them stupid so they don't 
>> figure out the plot.  In the future, these drones will be loyal to whoever 
>> promises (but never delivers) relief on these debts.  Debts, by the way, 
>> that can't be discharged through bankruptcy.
> 
> I think the old 7 year rule of the 1980s and 1990s was a happy medium between 
> the abuses of the 1970s (the first real world court experience for a new 
> attorney was often the filing of bankruptcy on his student loans) and the 
> current 'haunt you to your grave' situation. If the student was still unable 
> to pay his loans 7 years after his deferments expired, we'd admit the 
> education was a bad investment and let it go. 
> 
> I don't expect anything like 'make them non-dischargeable for 7-10 years' to 
> gain any traction legislatively these days. If they went back to that, 
> millions of low income asset free student loan debtors would file BK in the 
> first six months. 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - but nice

2018-04-22 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
The problem is, they are slowly but surely trying to make the rest of the world 
their artificial environment.

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> On Apr 21, 2018, at 9:04 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> What they are learning there has near nothing to do with the real world or 
> life.  It is an artificial environment no more viable than a goldfish bowl or 
> a glass of Sea Monkeys.  When they exit the play pen, they have no clue how 
> to function in society.  As if they never were taught the skills at home, and 
> ended up on the island for Lord of the Flies.
> 
> clay 
> 
>> On Apr 21, 2018, at 6:30 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Selective Service registration is required by law.  If he doesn’t register 
>> he’s in for some serious trouble. You did him a favor.
>> 
>> College is a very, very different place now from what it was when many of us 
>> attended.  Rather than a “knuckle down and get your sh*t together because 
>> Mom and Dad aren’t here to bail your ass out” sort of place, it’s become a 
>> kinder, gentler place for the “life experience”.
>> 
>> Ugh.
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] OT - but nice

2018-04-22 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

> On April 21, 2018 at 11:17 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> It's a secret plot to enslave a whole generation with "education" loans that 
> they can never repay.  It's important to keep them stupid so they don't 
> figure out the plot.  In the future, these drones will be loyal to whoever 
> promises (but never delivers) relief on these debts.  Debts, by the way, that 
> can't be discharged through bankruptcy.

I think the old 7 year rule of the 1980s and 1990s was a happy medium between 
the abuses of the 1970s (the first real world court experience for a new 
attorney was often the filing of bankruptcy on his student loans) and the 
current 'haunt you to your grave' situation. If the student was still unable to 
pay his loans 7 years after his deferments expired, we'd admit the education 
was a bad investment and let it go. 

I don't expect anything like 'make them non-dischargeable for 7-10 years' to 
gain any traction legislatively these days. If they went back to that, millions 
of low income asset free student loan debtors would file BK in the first six 
months. 
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Somebody crapped their pants on the interstate

2018-04-22 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

> On April 21, 2018 at 9:56 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I learned this the first time I towed a snowmobile trailer, I didn't have 
> enough tongue weight and it wanted to wag something fierce above about 45mph. 
> Pulled over and shifted the machines forward and all was well. Fortunately I 
> didn't try to go any faster...

I still think that's the *normal* failure mode. But Karl and others have 
convinced me that it's not the only way it can announce itself. 
Mitch

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Re: [MBZ] Nice Little 350 sl coupe

2018-04-22 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Might be a good BaT candidate, depending on the rate of tin worm infection.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On April 21, 2018 11:07:41 PM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Potentially an easy BAT flipper.
>
>On Sat, Apr 21, 2018 at 9:08 PM, OK Don via Mercedes
>
>wrote:
>
>> I'm sure that he does . . .
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 21, 2018 at 7:46 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I think Kaleb needs this.
>> > --
>> > Max Dillon
>> > Charleston SC
>> > '87 300TD
>> > '95 E300
>> >
>> > On April 21, 2018 8:38:38 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> > >The green is a plus.  Not sure what the interior color is, though.
>> > >
>> > >-D
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >> On Apr 21, 2018, at 8:37 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes
>> > > wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> Maybe the green?
>> > >>
>> > >> Dwight Giles Jr.
>> > >> Wickford RI
>> > >>
>> > >> On Apr 21, 2018 7:13 PM, "Meade Dillon via Mercedes"
>> > >
>> > >> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>> " Clean nice little Benz. Has the removable top auto trans.
>Come n
>> > >see
>> > >>> asking 3300 obo. NO SPAMMERS "
>> > >>>
>> > >>> https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/1972-benz-350-sl-
>> > >>> coupe/6567411723.html
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Seems too good to be true?
>> > >>> -
>> > >>> Max
>> > >>> Charleston SC
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>>
>> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and
>many of
>> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
>>
>> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The
>few who
>> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric
>fence
>> for themselves."
>>
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Re: [MBZ] W124 Differential Mounts

2018-04-22 Thread Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
No, but I watched this video about it:

https://youtu.be/bSYM69HD-Hs

Apparently measuring the positions before removal is advisable.

I keep looking for a way to use the 500sl diff backing plate with one
bushing way out to the side, to better deal with reactive torque loads. But
the 500sl rear subframe is apparently quite different from the v8 w124.

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> Anyone every done these?  Looks like the E300D needs a set, as one is
> really off center due to wear and age.
>
> Looks like they could be a PITA, hoping the diff doesn’t have to come
> out.  I do see that Baum has a tool for it, but then again they’ve got a
> tool for just about everything…
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