[MBZ] OT: We talked a long time ago about the right way to make pizza ...

[Craig via Mercedes]

and why all the chain stuff tastes like cardboard.

Well, here is a way to do it right, yourself:

https://www.amazon.com/Pizzacraft-Pizzeria-Pronto-Outdoor-Pizza/dp/B00FKWLWWI/
Pizzacraft PC6000 Pizzeria Pronto Portable Outdoor Pizza Oven 


Free Amazon tech support included

 * Pre-heats to 700F in 10 minutes, pizza cooks in only 5 minutes
 * Heat-diffusing hollow-core pizza stone cooks crust evenly
 * Lid reflects heat back on to pizza, vent at top prevents soggy results
 * Light weight, portable, safe on virtually any solid surface
 * Built in thermometer, matchless starter, and gas hose
 * Uses standard 20 lb. propane tank, adaptor (included)
 allows use of 1 lb tank

This item:
Pizzacraft PC6000 Pizzeria Pronto Portable Outdoor Pizza Oven $249.15
Pizzacraft Pizza Oven Accessories/Folding Peel & Stone Brush -
PC0217 $23.05
Pizzacraft Pizza Oven Leg Kit - PC6011 $41.99


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Re: [MBZ] Hearing test

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 25 Dec 2019 00:54:55 -0600 fmiser via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I refer to that as "PCLS" - Permanent Critical Listening
> Syndrome.  It can apply to intonation, but also to the mix, mic
> placement (or mic selection), fret/finger technique, reed control,
> mechanical troubles, instrument damage, gain structure, and many
> other factors that effect intentional sound.

In the last few days, I heard a recording of a choir and said to myself,
"That sounds bad -- the mics are not in the right places!"


> That said, when it is really good, those who are effected are able
> to truly enjoy how wonderful it really is!

Ah, yes! I have had, thankfully, a few moments like that recently.
Thank you for the comments.


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Re: [MBZ] Hearing test

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> > Peter wrote:

> > I also, sadly, notice almost every off note in a musical
> > performance. I can't produce music worth a hoot, no sense of
> > pitch to speak of, but I can sure hear a sour note.  Takes a
> > lot of the enjoyment out of it.


> Craig wrote:
> 
> ... I, too, can notice off notes. 

>... Yes, I have to try to consciously ignore the foibles.

I refer to that as "PCLS" - Permanent Critical Listening
Syndrome.  It can apply to intonation, but also to the mix, mic
placement (or mic selection), fret/finger technique, reed control,
mechanical troubles, instrument damage, gain structure, and many
other factors that effect intentional sound.

That said, when it is really good, those who are effected are able
to truly enjoy how wonderful it really is!

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Re: [MBZ] 124 monovalve variations

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 25 Dec 2019 04:37:07 + (UTC) Max Dillon
 wrote:

> 
> The SPDT function seems to be done mechanically in the base. I haven't
> taken one apart yet, but I surmise that the solenoid moves a rod that
> has two valve seats, which are opposed so that only one can be open at
> a time.

You missed my point: From what I have seen, the monovalve has one inlet
 and one outlet. There is no way for it to do an
 SPDT function.


> The part is the entire assembly. Only the circulation pump is available
> as a separate part.

That's why it's so expensive, as I suspected!


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Re: [MBZ] 124 monovalve variations

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

The SPDT function seems to be done mechanically in the base. I haven't taken 
one apart yet, but I surmise that the solenoid moves a rod that has two valve 
seats, which are opposed so that only one can be open at a time.

The part is the entire assembly. Only the circulation pump is available as a 
separate part.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Dec 24, 2019 5:45:16 PM Craig via Mercedes :

> On Tue, 24 Dec 2019 17:22:56 -0500 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> > Craig - your VIN brings up the same $$$ monovalve as my '95 E300. The
> > Daytona FL dealer I've been using has a list price of $520 for it.
> > 001-830-40-84
> > 
> > 004-830-20-84 seems to be for non-heated washer bottles, and lists for
> > $153 at same dealer. I'm going to poke around a bit more to see what I
> > can learn about this valve, and then I'm probably going to order it and
> > try it.
> > 
> > 
> > Another possibility is 001 830 38 84, which is about $275, and seems to
> > be appropriate for late model 124 gassers as well as diesels. Maybe
> > this valve doesn't have the bypass option, but does have fitting for
> > heated washer bottle? Very strange. This is the valve that should
> > work in my '94 gasser wagon.
> > 
> 
> Have you seen the pictures and questions in my email of 13:12:20 -0700
> today?
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Hearing test

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Power diversity is a good thing, what was the other guy's objection to having 
both power supplies online? I hope you have the second power supply on a 
different circuit.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Dec 24, 2019 7:03:19 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes :

> I shared a machine room at work for a couple years, the other guy couldn't 
> hear the screech some of the servers make when only one power supply was 
> plugged in but it drove me up the wall.A couple years ago he moved to a 
> different position so its my show now and the first thing I did was work out 
> how to plug in the second power supply on each server...
> -Curt
> 
> On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 3:18:53 PM EST, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 22 kHz. No one can hear 222kHz!
> 
> Hearing like that has made for an interesting life. I used to shut off the 
> mower and go in the house to answer the phone in graduate school, drove my 
> housemate nuts (she was partially deaf and the phone had an extra loud 
> ringer, but it was still a mechanical bell). Other than the fact it was 
> actually ringing she would have accused me of making things up.
> 
> Ultrasonic alarms are not ultrasonic for me, they used to run around 20kHz. 
> Loud bastards.
> 
> I hear all sorts of things at work no one else does, too -- I can tell when 
> one of my HPLC pumps isn't working right by the "screeech" it makes, when the 
> pressure is low or oscillating, the sound changes on the fill (fast) stroke. 
> I can also hear some sort of interference pattern in front of one of the 
> computers, get a a "ning ning ning" ringing sound similar to the pumps on the 
> HPLC, but they aren't running.
> 
> Over driven transistor amps have been known to run me out of the room with my 
> hands over my ears -- clipping causes very loud transient harmonics in that 
> situation, and while it wasn't bothering anyone else, it was so freaking loud 
> it was painful to me. The guys on the dorm floor thought I hated rock and 
> roll, especially Yes. Not my favorite music for sure, but it's unbearable 
> with the ear-spitting high frequency noise.
> 
> I also, sadly, notice almost every off note in a musical performance. I can't 
> produce music worth a hoot, no sense of pitch to speak of, but I can sure 
> hear a sour note. Takes a lot of the enjoyment out of it.
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Re: [MBZ] Maybe I should buy this

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Bzzt wrong ones!


Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
December 24, 2019 at 8:27 PM
I love Ricardo, both Kahn and Roark.



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Re: [MBZ] Maybe I should buy this

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I love Ricardo, both Kahn and Roark.

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>  wrote:
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> All you'd need is Ricardo!
> 
>> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>> December 24, 2019 at 8:23 PM
>> https://barnfinds.com/no-corinthian-leather-1979-cordoba-survivor/
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Re: [MBZ] Maybe I should buy this

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All you'd need is Ricardo!


Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
December 24, 2019 at 8:23 PM
https://barnfinds.com/no-corinthian-leather-1979-cordoba-survivor/



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[MBZ] Maybe I should buy this

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https://barnfinds.com/no-corinthian-leather-1979-cordoba-survivor/

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Re: [MBZ] 124 monovalve variations

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Do you need the heated washer bottle in balmy SC?   My cars never had 
it.  I had to  make sure to use fluid rated to -40 in the winter.  (Or 
do without washers.) Could you delete the flow to the washer bottle and 
use the cheaper valve?   I salvaged a heated 126 washer bottle, but I 
don't remember what year it was from.  Dan got part of it when he had a 126.



Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
December 24, 2019 at 4:22 PM
Craig - your VIN brings up the same $$$ monovalve as my '95 E300. The
Daytona FL dealer I've been using has a list price of $520 for it.
001-830-40-84

004-830-20-84 seems to be for non-heated washer bottles, and lists for 
$153

at same dealer. I'm going to poke around a bit more to see what I can
learn about this valve, and then I'm probably going to order it and 
try it.



Another possibility is 001 830 38 84, which is about $275, and seems to be
appropriate for late model 124 gassers as well as diesels. Maybe this
valve doesn't have the bypass option, but does have fitting for heated
washer bottle? Very strange. This is the valve that should work in my '94
gasser wagon.
-
Max
Charleston SC


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Re: [MBZ] OT: We talked about socks, how about blue jeans?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

That's un-American!


Clay Monroe via Mercedes 
December 24, 2019 at 3:42 PM
Since 1978 I have been using Levi’s 501 shrink to fit button fly. Had 
a minor error time with designer jeans for a year in 1980, then 
returned to Levi’s 501. There are four or five in rotation at a time. 
This gives them a lifetime wear of around 4 years. Best fit I have 
found for any trousers to date for my lumpy form


clay



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Re: [MBZ] OT: We talked about socks, how about blue jeans?

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My scraper is 1.5 " - but as you say, a very useful tool. I am usually
carrying a screw driver, torch igniter, pliers, and a pair of aviation
snips. Other tools rotate depending on the project at hand. I've found the
Duluth carpenter pants the best so far for working in the hangar/shop. They
fit well yet are loose, and stretch - never limiting movement.

On Tue, Dec 24, 2019 at 12:20 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I usually carry a 1" rigid blade scraper and pencils/pens when I am
> working.  A 1" rigid scraper is about the most useful tool ever
> invented.  If you have one it becomes a universal tool.
>
> --FT
>
> On 12/24/19 10:20 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
> >> On December 24, 2019 at 8:48 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Wranglers fit/feel better. El Mercado de Wal sells them cheap enough.
> Levi lost its way ages ago. Try carpenter pants, the fabric is a bit
> thicker and the fit is looser (loser) and they have the pencil/tool pocket
> and hammer loop for added utility. If you want to look like an old geek
> cargo pants are great!
> > That side pocket which is sized for a torpedo level works great for an
> iPhone SE or 5S.
> > 6S fits but it's a bit tight.
> > Might work for a larger phone with skinny 2:1 screen like a G6.
> > 5" 16:9 fits but can be hard to pull out quickly. 5.5-6" 16:9 just won't
> fit.
> > Feels much better than having a rigid smart phone in a front or back
> pocket.
> >
> > Torpedo level:
> >
> https://www.harborfreight.com/6-inch-level-with-magnetic-strip-37588.html
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Re: [MBZ] Hearing test

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I shared a machine room at work for a couple years, the other guy couldn't 
hear the screech some of the servers make when only one power supply was 
plugged in but it drove me up the wall.A couple years ago he moved to a 
different position so its my show now and the first thing I did was work out 
how to plug in the second power supply on each server...
-Curt

On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 3:18:53 PM EST, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 22 kHz.  No one can hear 222kHz!

Hearing like that has made for an interesting life.  I used to shut off the 
mower and go in the house to answer the phone in graduate school, drove my 
housemate nuts (she was partially deaf and the phone had an extra loud ringer, 
but it was still a mechanical bell).  Other than the fact it was actually 
ringing she would have accused me of making things up.  

Ultrasonic alarms are not ultrasonic for me, they used to run around 20kHz.  
Loud bastards.

I hear all sorts of things at work no one else does, too -- I can tell when one 
of my HPLC pumps isn't working right by the "screeech" it makes, when the 
pressure is low or oscillating, the sound changes on the fill (fast) stroke.  I 
can also hear some sort of interference pattern in front of one of the 
computers, get a a "ning ning ning" ringing sound similar to the pumps on the 
HPLC, but they aren't running.

Over driven transistor amps have been known to run me out of the room with my 
hands over my ears -- clipping causes very loud transient harmonics in that 
situation, and while it wasn't bothering anyone else, it was so freaking loud 
it was painful to me.  The guys on the dorm floor thought I hated rock and 
roll, especially Yes.  Not my favorite music for sure, but it's unbearable with 
the ear-spitting high frequency noise.

I also, sadly, notice almost every off note in a musical performance.  I can't 
produce music worth a hoot, no sense of pitch to speak of, but I can sure hear 
a sour note.  Takes a lot of the enjoyment out of it.
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Re: [MBZ] 124 monovalve variations

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 24 Dec 2019 17:22:56 -0500 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Craig - your VIN brings up the same $$$ monovalve as my '95 E300.  The
> Daytona FL dealer I've been using has a list price of $520 for it.
> 001-830-40-84
> 
> 004-830-20-84 seems to be for non-heated washer bottles, and lists for
> $153 at same dealer.  I'm going to poke around a bit more to see what I
> can learn about this valve, and then I'm probably going to order it and
> try it.
> 
> 
> Another possibility is 001 830 38 84, which is about $275, and seems to
> be appropriate for late model 124 gassers as well as diesels.  Maybe
> this valve doesn't have the bypass option, but does have fitting for
> heated washer bottle?  Very strange.  This is the valve that should
> work in my '94 gasser wagon.

Have you seen the pictures and questions in my email of 13:12:20 -0700
today?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 124 monovalve variations

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Craig - your VIN brings up the same $$$ monovalve as my '95 E300.  The
Daytona FL dealer I've been using has a list price of $520 for it.
001-830-40-84

004-830-20-84 seems to be for non-heated washer bottles, and lists for $153
at same dealer.  I'm going to poke around a bit more to see what I can
learn about this valve, and then I'm probably going to order it and try it.


Another possibility is 001 830 38 84, which is about $275, and seems to be
appropriate for late model 124 gassers as well as diesels.  Maybe this
valve doesn't have the bypass option, but does have fitting for heated
washer bottle?  Very strange.  This is the valve that should work in my '94
gasser wagon.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Tue, Dec 24, 2019 at 2:33 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Tue, 24 Dec 2019 09:46:43 -0500 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > Craig - Send me your VIN so I can see which part number comes up for
> > your replacement monovalve.
>
> More than you wanted ...
>
> Craig
>
>
> VIN WDBEB28E1PB934645
>
> 1990-1993 300D 2.5 Turbo Chassis Type 124.128 Engine Type 602.962
>
> Model designation:
> Model: 300 D 2.5 TURBO USA (124.128)
> Market: North America
> Catalog: 15V
> ~ As of 09/89 ~
>
> - Datacard -
> Identification number:  WDB1241281B934645
>   VIN:  WDBEB28E1PB934645
>
> Chassis
>
>Market: NA,North America
>  Order number: 0 2 705 38872
> Delivery date:
> Sales designation: 250 D TURBO[MODEL_IDX = 0]
>  Paint code 1: 702
>  Paint code 5: 75
> Equipment: 175
>Engine no.: 602962 12 017248
>  Transmission: 722418 03 302799 [transmissionType = GA]
>
> SA code
> 221 - LEFT FRONT SEAT, ELECTRICALLY ADJUSTABLE
> 222 - RIGHT FRONT SEAT, ELECTRICALLY ADJUSTABLE
> 240 - OUTSIDE TEMPERATURE INDICATOR
> 280 - LEATHER STEERING WHEEL AND LEATHER GEAR SHIFT KNOB
> 291 - AIRBAG FOR FRONT PASSENGER
> 300 - STORAGE BOX IN FRONT TRAY
> 340 - ADDITIONAL 3RD STOP LAMP
> 412 - ELECTRIC SLIDING ROOF WITH TILTING DEVICE
> 420 - AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION 4-GEAR
> 430 - HEADREST IN THE REAR, LEFT AND RIGHT
> 440 - TEMPOMAT (CRUISE CONTROL)
> 467 - ELECTRONIC LOCKING DIFFERENTIAL
> 491 - U.S. VERSION
> 524 - PAINTWORK - PRESERVATION
> 543 - SUN VISOR WITH MAKE-UP MIRROR L. AND R., BE-
> 551 - ANTI-THEFT/ANTI-BREAK-IN WARNING SYSTEM
> 588
> 593 - ALL-ROUND WD-GREEN GLASS, HEATED REAR WINDOW-ESG, BF
> 611 - EXIT LIGHTS FOR DRIVER DOORS
> 639
> 640 - 15-HOLE LIGHT ALLOY RIMS
> 664 - LIGHT ALLOY WHEEL 7-HOLE STAR DESIGN 17 INCH
> 673 - HIGH-CAPACITY BATTERY
> 757
> 803 - AEJ 06/1/M/X
> 814
> 702 - RANGE OF DELIVERY OF SKD VEHICLES - VIETNAM
> 75
> 175A
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Re: [MBZ] OT: We talked about socks, how about blue jeans?

[Clay Monroe via Mercedes]

Since 1978 I have been using Levi’s 501 shrink to fit button fly.  Had a minor 
error time with designer jeans for a year in 1980, then returned to Levi’s 501. 
 There are four or five in rotation at a time.  This gives them a lifetime wear 
of around 4 years.  Best fit I have found for any trousers to date for my lumpy 
form

clay


> On Dec 23, 2019, at 8:44 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> I have had different brands of blue jeans with various
> lengths of usable life and comfort of fit.
> 
> Have any of you found a particular brand to wear longer
> than others? Fit better than others?
> 
> How about places to buy them? Are the ones sold at Wally World worse
> quality than those sold at other places? How about Tractor Supply?
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Hearing test

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Our band director in high school never did figure out that temperature has an 
effect on the tune of brass instruments (all instruments really, but wood moves 
less).  He insisted on tuning up the band in the un-airconditioned band room 
and then had them perform in the auditorium, with AC and usually 10 degrees 
cooler (at least).  Screeching brass going sharper as the evening wore on.  
Very painful.  

Of course students didn't know anything
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Re: [MBZ] Hearing test

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 24 Dec 2019 14:13:57 -0600 Peter Frederick via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Ultrasonic alarms are not ultrasonic for me, they used to run around
> 20kHz.  Loud bastards.

When I was working at LANL, I was assigned to a particular room for my
office. I noticed nothing out of the ordinary, but the fellow who had
the office after me (much younger) complained about the noise the
fluorescent lights made ...


> I also, sadly, notice almost every off note in a musical performance.
> I can't produce music worth a hoot, no sense of pitch to speak of, but
> I can sure hear a sour note.  Takes a lot of the enjoyment out of it.

Being a trained musician on an instrument which is not restricted to the
keyboard notes (voice), I, too, can notice off notes. In addition, I do
notice when singers are using poor technique. Yes, I have to try to
consciously ignore the foibles.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Hearing test

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Peter is Batman -- indeed, I can also hear bats up close if they are agitated 
(as in being held, we got one in the shop they other year, he was spitting mad 
and cheeping).  No one else heard it.


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Re: [MBZ] Hearing test

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

22 kHz.  No one can hear 222kHz!

Hearing like that has made for an interesting life.  I used to shut off the 
mower and go in the house to answer the phone in graduate school, drove my 
housemate nuts (she was partially deaf and the phone had an extra loud ringer, 
but it was still a mechanical bell).  Other than the fact it was actually 
ringing she would have accused me of making things up.  

Ultrasonic alarms are not ultrasonic for me, they used to run around 20kHz.  
Loud bastards.

I hear all sorts of things at work no one else does, too -- I can tell when one 
of my HPLC pumps isn't working right by the "screeech" it makes, when the 
pressure is low or oscillating, the sound changes on the fill (fast) stroke.  I 
can also hear some sort of interference pattern in front of one of the 
computers, get a a "ning ning ning" ringing sound similar to the pumps on the 
HPLC, but they aren't running.

Over driven transistor amps have been known to run me out of the room with my 
hands over my ears -- clipping causes very loud transient harmonics in that 
situation, and while it wasn't bothering anyone else, it was so freaking loud 
it was painful to me.  The guys on the dorm floor thought I hated rock and 
roll, especially Yes.  Not my favorite music for sure, but it's unbearable with 
the ear-spitting high frequency noise.

I also, sadly, notice almost every off note in a musical performance.  I can't 
produce music worth a hoot, no sense of pitch to speak of, but I can sure hear 
a sour note.  Takes a lot of the enjoyment out of it.
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Re: [MBZ] Hearing test

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 24 Dec 2019 14:54:15 -0500 (EST) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
 wrote:

> 
> > On December 24, 2019 at 1:38 PM Craig via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > 222 kHz or 22 kHz?
> 
> Peter is Batman.

I wasn't sure of the hearing range of bats, so I looked it up:

https://dnr.maryland.gov/wildlife/Pages/plants_wildlife/bats/batelocu.aspx

Shouting Bats & Whispering Bats

Bats can be broadly characterized by their echolocation calls as
shouting bats and whispering bats. Big brown bats and little brown
bats are shouters and produce sounds (if we could hear them) of 110
decibels or similar to the loudness of a smoke alarm. Northern
long-eared bats are whispering bats and produce sounds of 60 decibels
(similar to the levels of normal human conversation). Shouters tend to
forage for food in open spaces; whisperers glean insects from the
foliage of trees and forage in the cluttered environments of forest
interiors. Not All Bats Echolocate

About 70% of all bat species worldwide have this ability. Also, bats
aren't the only animals that use echolocation. Whales, dolphins,
porpoises, oilbirds and several species of shrews, tenrecs, and
swiftlets use a similar technique.

Most bat echolocation occurs beyond the range of human hearing.
Humans can hear from 20 Hz to 15-20 kHz depending on age. Bat calls
can range from 9 kHz to to 200 kHz.

Some bat sounds humans can hear. The squeaks and squawks that bats
make in their roosts or which occur between females and their pups can
be detected by human ears, but these noises aren't considered to be
echolocation sounds.

So I learned something new today!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Hearing test

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> On December 24, 2019 at 1:38 PM Craig via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 222 kHz or 22 kHz?

Peter is Batman.

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Re: [MBZ] 124 monovalve variations

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On Tue, 24 Dec 2019 09:46:43 -0500 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Craig - Send me your VIN so I can see which part number comes up for
> your replacement monovalve.

More than you wanted ...

Craig


VIN WDBEB28E1PB934645

1990-1993 300D 2.5 Turbo Chassis Type 124.128 Engine Type 602.962

Model designation:
Model: 300 D 2.5 TURBO USA (124.128)
Market: North America
Catalog: 15V
~ As of 09/89 ~

- Datacard -
Identification number:  WDB1241281B934645
  VIN:  WDBEB28E1PB934645

Chassis

   Market: NA,North America
 Order number: 0 2 705 38872
Delivery date:
Sales designation: 250 D TURBO[MODEL_IDX = 0]
 Paint code 1: 702
 Paint code 5: 75
Equipment: 175
   Engine no.: 602962 12 017248
 Transmission: 722418 03 302799 [transmissionType = GA]

SA code
221 - LEFT FRONT SEAT, ELECTRICALLY ADJUSTABLE
222 - RIGHT FRONT SEAT, ELECTRICALLY ADJUSTABLE
240 - OUTSIDE TEMPERATURE INDICATOR
280 - LEATHER STEERING WHEEL AND LEATHER GEAR SHIFT KNOB
291 - AIRBAG FOR FRONT PASSENGER
300 - STORAGE BOX IN FRONT TRAY
340 - ADDITIONAL 3RD STOP LAMP
412 - ELECTRIC SLIDING ROOF WITH TILTING DEVICE
420 - AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION 4-GEAR
430 - HEADREST IN THE REAR, LEFT AND RIGHT
440 - TEMPOMAT (CRUISE CONTROL)
467 - ELECTRONIC LOCKING DIFFERENTIAL
491 - U.S. VERSION
524 - PAINTWORK - PRESERVATION
543 - SUN VISOR WITH MAKE-UP MIRROR L. AND R., BE-
551 - ANTI-THEFT/ANTI-BREAK-IN WARNING SYSTEM
588
593 - ALL-ROUND WD-GREEN GLASS, HEATED REAR WINDOW-ESG, BF
611 - EXIT LIGHTS FOR DRIVER DOORS
639
640 - 15-HOLE LIGHT ALLOY RIMS
664 - LIGHT ALLOY WHEEL 7-HOLE STAR DESIGN 17 INCH
673 - HIGH-CAPACITY BATTERY
757
803 - AEJ 06/1/M/X
814
702 - RANGE OF DELIVERY OF SKD VEHICLES - VIETNAM
75
175A

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Re: [MBZ] Amazon

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 24 Dec 2019 09:55:52 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Happens all the time. I would say that maybe 1 out of 10 or 15 orders
> I’ve placed won’t arrive as promised.

And New Mexico continues to be the unloved stepchild ...


> I contact them and bitch every time. It usually yields a gift credit or
> maybe a free item.

I will try to remember that.


> In this new house there’s a fancy WiFi capable Chamberlain garage door
> opener. To access it through the phone app you have to have a bridge.
> Checked on the Island of Large Wimmen and found one for $28 new. Tossed
> some other stuff I had on a list to bump the order over $35 and got it
> the same day.
> 
> Ahh, instant gratification.

Amazing. I would be satisfied for a couple of days to receive things.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Hearing test

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 24 Dec 2019 12:20:17 -0600 Peter Frederick via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Anything digitized at less than 50k Hz sounds flat to me because I can
> clearly hear up to 222kHz, or at least I could back in the day.

222 kHz or 22 kHz?

I'm guessing a typo and it is the latter.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Hearing test

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

By total chance, I just replaced the suspension foam in my Pioneer HPM 500 
speakers after a couple decades of procrastination.  I bought them originally 
because they have essentially flat frequency response from 50 to 50k Hz -- well 
beyond "normal" human hearing range, but not that far from mine.  I'd forgotten 
how good they sound, wish I'd done this decades ago.

Car and computer audio stinks.  Anything digitized at less than 50k Hz sounds 
flat to me because I can clearly hear up to 222kHz, or at least I could back in 
the day.  Probably not so good now, but I can still tell the difference between 
digital and analog mastering.  
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Re: [MBZ] Hearing test

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I can hear from 35 to 8K with my over-the-ear Sades headset (cheap) - which
surprises me, I thought me hearing was worse than that with all the abuse
it's gotten since I was kids - guns and un-muffled engines. With the
Sennheiser on-the-ear headset, I can hear from 30 to 10K.

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> My speakers seem to be OK from 60-11K, more or less.
>
> On Tue, Dec 24, 2019 at 10:23 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Or maybe speaker test.
> > I'm pretty sure it's my computer speakers, not my ears, that are totally
> > useless below 150Hz.
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-iCZElJ8m0
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OK Don

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
pause and reflect." Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] OT: We talked about socks, how about blue jeans?

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I usually carry a 1" rigid blade scraper and pencils/pens when I am 
working.  A 1" rigid scraper is about the most useful tool ever 
invented.  If you have one it becomes a universal tool.


--FT

On 12/24/19 10:20 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

On December 24, 2019 at 8:48 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
 wrote:


Wranglers fit/feel better. El Mercado de Wal sells them cheap enough. Levi lost 
its way ages ago. Try carpenter pants, the fabric is a bit thicker and the fit 
is looser (loser) and they have the pencil/tool pocket and hammer loop for 
added utility. If you want to look like an old geek cargo pants are great!

That side pocket which is sized for a torpedo level works great for an iPhone 
SE or 5S.
6S fits but it's a bit tight.
Might work for a larger phone with skinny 2:1 screen like a G6.
5" 16:9 fits but can be hard to pull out quickly. 5.5-6" 16:9 just won't fit.
Feels much better than having a rigid smart phone in a front or back pocket.

Torpedo level:
https://www.harborfreight.com/6-inch-level-with-magnetic-strip-37588.html

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Re: [MBZ] OT: We talked about socks, how about blue jeans?

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

70s prices for Levis were like $20 or more, I remember my mom would let 
me get one pair a year.  A buddy of mine who was in a 9kid family 
borrowed a pair once in high school to go to a dance as he had nothing 
like that (and we were amazingly the same tall skinny size) and he was 
in absolute heaven.  I thought he was going to cry when he had to give 
them back.


But now you can buy a pair of Levis for about the same price almost 
50years ( wait, what?) on, so that says something about offshoring, 
onshoring, quality, etc. I guess.  I used to work with a guy who had 
been CFO for Levis when they were based in Seattle or somewhere out that 
way, he was an a*e but he had some interesting stories about that 
particular rag business.


--FT

On 12/24/19 10:05 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

I mean if you want to talk about bringing back American manufacturing you can't 
simultaneously pay 1970s prices for pants.
-Curt


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[MBZ] 300TD on BAT

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Boring color combo but otherwise looks awfully nice for under $10K.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1984-mercedes-benz-300td-turbo-22/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2019-12-24
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Re: [MBZ] Amazon

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Depends. Mine didn’t have WiFi access, so I needed the bridge for it to work 
with the app.This is what I bought:

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B075H7Z5L8/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8=1
 


The app walked me through the installation process, which took all of about 5 
minutes, if that. The Chamberlain documentation said I had to use the G0303 
hub, but everything I found online pointed at this model (G0301) so I bought it.

I don’t really care about the remote access, but I do like the notifications 
that the door is being opened or closed.

-D





> On Dec 24, 2019, at 11:56 AM, Kevin Kraly via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I had two of those Chamberlain garage door openers installed a couple years 
> ago. What bridge would I need to purchase, and how easy is it to set up? I 
> have already downloaded the Myq app to my phone.
> Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
> 2019 Sprinter Passenger 144WB 133 miles, Der Doodlewagen
> 1982 240D High Mileage Hildegard
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 24, 2019, at 6:56 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Happens all the time. I would say that maybe 1 out of 10 or 15 orders I’ve 
>> placed won’t arrive as promised.
>> 
>> I contact them and bitch every time. It usually yields a gift credit or 
>> maybe a free item.
>> 
>> In this new house there’s a fancy WiFi capable Chamberlain garage door 
>> opener. To access it through the phone app you have to have a bridge. 
>> Checked on the Island of Large Wimmen and found one for $28 new. Tossed some 
>> other stuff I had on a list to bump the order over $35 and got it the same 
>> day.
>> 
>> Ahh, instant gratification.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Dec 24, 2019, at 9:46 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I order something from Amazon about 3pm yesterday afternoon that said it 
>>> would arrive today. This morning I got notification it shipped today and 
>>> will arrive today. How the heck can they do that? Wow. 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Seems like a crack price to me but maybe not with the crack prices people are paying these days

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Yea I bet. 

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> On Dec 24, 2019, at 10:09 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> He's accepting all feedback, good or bad.
> 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> 
> Dec 24, 2019 10:58:43 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes :
> 
>> What a total and complete dumb ass. So we take away the factory setup that 
>> already pulls in cold air from outside the engine compartment. He is then 
>> going to remove the fog light so it gets cold air to the air filter thru his 
>> rigged up system. Are these people really this stupid?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
 On Dec 24, 2019, at 9:32 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hood stack boy is still there.
>>> 
>>> https://m.facebook.com/groups/1444767035590031?view=permalink=2627000437366679=2_composer=0=m_notif_t=feedback_reaction_generic
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Amazon

[Kevin Kraly via Mercedes]

I had two of those Chamberlain garage door openers installed a couple years 
ago. What bridge would I need to purchase, and how easy is it to set up? I have 
already downloaded the Myq app to my phone.
Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
2019 Sprinter Passenger 144WB 133 miles, Der Doodlewagen
1982 240D High Mileage Hildegard

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 24, 2019, at 6:56 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Happens all the time. I would say that maybe 1 out of 10 or 15 orders I’ve 
> placed won’t arrive as promised.
> 
> I contact them and bitch every time. It usually yields a gift credit or maybe 
> a free item.
> 
> In this new house there’s a fancy WiFi capable Chamberlain garage door 
> opener. To access it through the phone app you have to have a bridge. Checked 
> on the Island of Large Wimmen and found one for $28 new. Tossed some other 
> stuff I had on a list to bump the order over $35 and got it the same day.
> 
> Ahh, instant gratification.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Dec 24, 2019, at 9:46 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I order something from Amazon about 3pm yesterday afternoon that said it 
>> would arrive today. This morning I got notification it shipped today and 
>> will arrive today. How the heck can they do that? Wow. 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Hearing test

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I have a set of JBL “Creature Speakers” on my Mac Pro, and could hear the 
sounds around 30 Hz and up.

-D


> On Dec 24, 2019, at 11:30 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes 
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> 
> My speakers seem to be OK from 60-11K, more or less.
> 
> On Tue, Dec 24, 2019 at 10:23 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Or maybe speaker test.
>> I'm pretty sure it's my computer speakers, not my ears, that are totally
>> useless below 150Hz.
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-iCZElJ8m0
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Re: [MBZ] Hearing test

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Comments on this one are priceless.

https://youtu.be/_gyvipBs6Vs 

-D

> On Dec 24, 2019, at 11:22 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
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> Or maybe speaker test. 
> I'm pretty sure it's my computer speakers, not my ears, that are totally 
> useless below 150Hz. 
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-iCZElJ8m0
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Re: [MBZ] Hearing test

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

My speakers seem to be OK from 60-11K, more or less.

On Tue, Dec 24, 2019 at 10:23 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
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> Or maybe speaker test.
> I'm pretty sure it's my computer speakers, not my ears, that are totally
> useless below 150Hz.
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> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-iCZElJ8m0
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[MBZ] Hearing test

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Or maybe speaker test. 
I'm pretty sure it's my computer speakers, not my ears, that are totally 
useless below 150Hz. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-iCZElJ8m0

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Re: [MBZ] Seems like a crack price to me but maybe not with the crack prices people are paying these days

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

yes!!!
That way they can be herded like sheep to slaughter.   It is intentional.

Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
December 24, 2019 at 9:58 AM
What a total and complete dumb ass. So we take away the factory setup 
that already pulls in cold air from outside the engine compartment. He 
is then going to remove the fog light so it gets cold air to the air 
filter thru his rigged up system. Are these people really this stupid?




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Re: [MBZ] Seems like a crack price to me but maybe not with the crack prices people are paying these days

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

You should post this:
Hey dumba$$,  the original air cleaner drew cool air from the front of 
the car, filtered it better than your psycho mushroom, and protected the 
engine.



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December 24, 2019 at 9:31 AM
Hood stack boy is still there.

https://m.facebook.com/groups/1444767035590031?view=permalink=2627000437366679=2_composer=0=m_notif_t=feedback_reaction_generic


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Re: [MBZ] Seems like a crack price to me but maybe not with the crack prices people are paying these days

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He's accepting all feedback, good or bad.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Dec 24, 2019 10:58:43 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes :

> What a total and complete dumb ass. So we take away the factory setup that 
> already pulls in cold air from outside the engine compartment. He is then 
> going to remove the fog light so it gets cold air to the air filter thru his 
> rigged up system. Are these people really this stupid?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> > On Dec 24, 2019, at 9:32 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
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> > 
> > Hood stack boy is still there.
> > 
> > https://m.facebook.com/groups/1444767035590031?view=permalink=2627000437366679=2_composer=0=m_notif_t=feedback_reaction_generic
> > 
> > 
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Re: [MBZ] Seems like a crack price to me but maybe not with the crack prices people are paying these days

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What a total and complete dumb ass. So we take away the factory setup that 
already pulls in cold air from outside the engine compartment. He is then going 
to remove the fog light so it gets cold air to the air filter thru his rigged 
up system. Are these people really this stupid?

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> On Dec 24, 2019, at 9:32 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
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> Hood stack boy is still there.
> 
> https://m.facebook.com/groups/1444767035590031?view=permalink=2627000437366679=2_composer=0=m_notif_t=feedback_reaction_generic
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Re: [MBZ] OT: We talked about socks, how about blue jeans?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

This:

> On Dec 24, 2019, at 10:23 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> but the older I get the less I care about such things. 

I was at my local Ace Hardware the other day, keeping my money at home, and as 
I walked in and saw myself in the reflection of the front doors thought, “15-20 
years ago there’s no way I would have left the house looking like this.”

Yup. Just don’t care. Don’t like my Chevrolet T shirt with the big hole in the 
right armpit and my ratty cargo shorts?

Bite me.

-D



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Re: [MBZ] OT: We talked about socks, how about blue jeans?

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

I bought some used work jeans for working around the house and garage a couple 
years ago. Red Kap. 
They are very good. Not much of a fashion statement, but the older I get the 
less I care about such things. 

https://www.redkap.com/products/pants/jeans

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Re: [MBZ] Seems like a crack price to me but maybe not with the crack prices people are paying these days

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Maybe since they have run off anybody who actually knows anything about these 
cars they have exhausted their hood stack and other dumb ass topics. 

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> On Dec 24, 2019, at 9:17 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> I have not been on there in quite a while. Are they still a bunch of morons?
> 
> Quiet lately. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: We talked about socks, how about blue jeans?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

They are often very expensive in some items also. I needed some trailer wheel 
bearing caps and theirs were $20. At Atwood’s our local farm chain place they 
were around $8.

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> On Dec 24, 2019, at 9:03 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
>  I dislike Tractor Supply on principle, they sell some of the worst garbage 
> available. Their house branded tools especially.
> I'm wearing All American Clothing Company jeans almost exclusively. Made in 
> USA, and not that much more expensive than shipping jobs overseas.
> I walk the walk on the Made in USA thing. I can wear an entirely Made in USA 
> outfit with the exception of a coat and that'll change the next time I'm due 
> to buy one.
> -Curt
> 
>On Monday, December 23, 2019, 11:45:21 PM EST, Craig via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> I have had different brands of blue jeans with various
> lengths of usable life and comfort of fit.
> 
> Have any of you found a particular brand to wear longer
> than others? Fit better than others?
> 
> How about places to buy them? Are the ones sold at Wally World worse
> quality than those sold at other places? How about Tractor Supply?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: We talked about socks, how about blue jeans?

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> On December 24, 2019 at 8:48 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Wranglers fit/feel better. El Mercado de Wal sells them cheap enough. Levi 
> lost its way ages ago. Try carpenter pants, the fabric is a bit thicker and 
> the fit is looser (loser) and they have the pencil/tool pocket and hammer 
> loop for added utility. If you want to look like an old geek cargo pants are 
> great!

That side pocket which is sized for a torpedo level works great for an iPhone 
SE or 5S.
6S fits but it's a bit tight.  
Might work for a larger phone with skinny 2:1 screen like a G6.
5" 16:9 fits but can be hard to pull out quickly. 5.5-6" 16:9 just won't fit. 
Feels much better than having a rigid smart phone in a front or back pocket. 

Torpedo level:
https://www.harborfreight.com/6-inch-level-with-magnetic-strip-37588.html

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Re: [MBZ] OT: We talked about socks, how about blue jeans?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Actually, I thought the cheaper Wrangler cuts have been made from better 
cloth the past 10-15 years.  There was a while when they would tear 
easily, but the ones I've had lately have not.  They usually wear 
through at the thighs. Pre-2000 they'd wear through at the knees.  The 
thin denim is in the Key Bibs.   It seems to keep getting thinner.  But 
I like all the pockets for trades work.




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Re: [MBZ] Seems like a crack price to me but maybe not with the crack prices people are paying these days

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>I have not been on there in quite a while. Are they still a bunch of morons?

Quiet lately. 

Rick


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Re: [MBZ] OT: We talked about socks, how about blue jeans?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Man I must be buying at the wrong place, I haven't seen jeans under $30 in 20 
years. I used to be pleased to buy irregular Wranglers for $25.
At that price you know you're sending your money offshore right? I mean if you 
want to talk about bringing back American manufacturing you can't 
simultaneously pay 1970s prices for pants.
-Curt

On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 8:37:06 AM EST, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 
40 years ago, $20 Sedgefield (Wrangler's premium brand) were substantially 
better than $12 Wranglers.
They fit better (more human shaped but less efficient use of material), the 
material was heavier and more densely woven, and the seams were triple or 
quadruple stitched. And those 1980 Wranglers were better than today's Wranglers 
IMO.

Now I'll just wear $20 Wranglers or $30 Dickies or sometimes Carhardts. 
I buy the Wranglers when they're on sake for $15 or less. They're fine for 
casual wear, but they snag/tear easily if you're around exposed nails or 
thorns. Wore a brand new pair to my parents house, mom need a light bulb 
changed. 
I didn't notice her ladder had a small nail head sticking out, and poked a hole 
in my Wranglers. I darned it and still wear them 2 years later, but I don't 
think Carhardts would have ripped in the first place. 
Wouldn't buy crappy imported $50 Levis even if I hadn't started boycotting 
Levi/Dockers/etc in the 1990s.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: We talked about socks, how about blue jeans?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I dislike Tractor Supply on principle, they sell some of the worst garbage 
available. Their house branded tools especially.
I'm wearing All American Clothing Company jeans almost exclusively. Made in 
USA, and not that much more expensive than shipping jobs overseas.
I walk the walk on the Made in USA thing. I can wear an entirely Made in USA 
outfit with the exception of a coat and that'll change the next time I'm due to 
buy one.
-Curt

On Monday, December 23, 2019, 11:45:21 PM EST, Craig via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I have had different brands of blue jeans with various
lengths of usable life and comfort of fit.

Have any of you found a particular brand to wear longer
than others? Fit better than others?

How about places to buy them? Are the ones sold at Wally World worse
quality than those sold at other places? How about Tractor Supply?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Amazon

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Couple of them. One for small stuff about 15-20 miles, one for larger stuff 
about 35 miles.

-D


> On Dec 24, 2019, at 9:55 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Must be a warehouse very close to you.
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> 
> On Tue, Dec 24, 2019 at 9:46 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I order something from Amazon about 3pm yesterday afternoon that said it
>> would arrive today. This morning I got notification it shipped today and
>> will arrive today. How the heck can they do that? Wow.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Amazon

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Happens all the time. I would say that maybe 1 out of 10 or 15 orders I’ve 
placed won’t arrive as promised.

I contact them and bitch every time. It usually yields a gift credit or maybe a 
free item.

In this new house there’s a fancy WiFi capable Chamberlain garage door opener. 
To access it through the phone app you have to have a bridge. Checked on the 
Island of Large Wimmen and found one for $28 new. Tossed some other stuff I had 
on a list to bump the order over $35 and got it the same day.

Ahh, instant gratification.

-D
  
> On Dec 24, 2019, at 9:46 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I order something from Amazon about 3pm yesterday afternoon that said it 
> would arrive today. This morning I got notification it shipped today and will 
> arrive today. How the heck can they do that? Wow. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Amazon

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Must be a warehouse very close to you.
-
Max
Charleston SC


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> I order something from Amazon about 3pm yesterday afternoon that said it
> would arrive today. This morning I got notification it shipped today and
> will arrive today. How the heck can they do that? Wow.
>
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Re: [MBZ] 124 monovalve variations

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Craig - Send me your VIN so I can see which part number comes up for your
replacement monovalve.
-
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[MBZ] Amazon

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I order something from Amazon about 3pm yesterday afternoon that said it would 
arrive today. This morning I got notification it shipped today and will arrive 
today. How the heck can they do that? Wow. 

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Re: [MBZ] OT: We talked about socks, how about blue jeans?

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I bought my Vertx pants around 2010 or so.  Nine years of service long
enough for you?  The price is rather steep, some re-sellers will have a
sale now and then for 20% off or so, but given the long life, I'm not going
to hesitate too much when I buy some replacement pairs.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Tue, Dec 24, 2019 at 9:39 AM Meade Dillon  wrote:

> I really like Vertx cargo pants, because the cargo pockets are more
> discrete and perfect for carrying a smart phone and a small notebook.  I
> wear these with a nice shirt to work (unless I need to wear a jacket and
> tie, then I put on real dress slacks).
>
> https://vertx.com/f1-vtx8001-nv
>
> It looks like they have replace the model I bought with the linked
> version.  I bought six pairs of the originals in three different colors,
> and still have all six.  The two that I wore most often are starting to
> fray and come apart a little but are still very serviceable.  Mine are a
> poly-cotton blend, so wash and wear.  The additional cargo pockets are the
> big sell for me, plus they look smart enough to wear at work and other
> places that blue jeans would not be appropriate.
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 11:45 PM Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>
>> I have had different brands of blue jeans with various
>> lengths of usable life and comfort of fit.
>>
>> Have any of you found a particular brand to wear longer
>> than others? Fit better than others?
>>
>> How about places to buy them? Are the ones sold at Wally World worse
>> quality than those sold at other places? How about Tractor Supply?
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Seems like a crack price to me but maybe not with the crack prices people are paying these days

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I have not been on there in quite a while. Are they still a bunch of morons?

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> On Dec 24, 2019, at 6:09 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Could flip that to the FB boys for at least $3k and the sedans for $1500 
> each. Quadruple your money in no time. 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 23, 2019, at 9:34 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Well isn't the wagon sort of rare?
>> 
>> Dwight Giles Jr.
>> Wickford RI
>> 
>>> On Mon, Dec 23, 2019, 9:07 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Mercedes W123 X 3
>>> 
>>> 
>>> https://columbiamo.craigslist.org/pts/d/wooldridge-mercedes-w123-3/7043118028.html
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Re: [MBZ] OT: We talked about socks, how about blue jeans?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I usually buy the $9 ones at Atwood’s. I also recently bought a couple of pairs 
of cheap wranglers and rustlers at Wally World recently. 

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> On Dec 23, 2019, at 11:28 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Real Merkuns wear Blue Bell brands:  Wrangler, Rustler etc. or bib overalls. 
>  (or carrhart if you want to flash you used to have cash)
> I wear wranglers.   They have "outlet" stores all over.  Or you can buy the 
> cheap ones without the W on the back pockets at places like wallyland.
> I figure I get about 1 year out of a $17 pair.   When I was in HS, Wrangler 
> supported the rodeo circuit, and Billy Minnick had his signature on Wrangler 
> cowboy cut and boot cut.  They also fit well.
> 
> Real men wear wranglers, (or carrhart)   Pencil neck geeks and q ueers in NY 
> and SF wear le vis
> 
> For Bibs, I've been getting Key, because that is the only brand I can find.  
> About $34, and they also last about 1 year of everyday wear.  THe new ones 
> are Sunday Bibs, the next newest are Saturday Bibs.  Then there are Everyday 
> Bibs, and when patched they become undercar work bibs.
> 
> I've also had wrangler Khakis, and their tan work jeans that are sorta 
> competing with carrhart.  The lightweight ones wear also about a year for 
> $14-15.   I've not bought the heavy weight ones tht really compete with 
> carrhart.
> 
> I will never buy anything made by Le vi, the commie lovers.   When they made 
> a big deal of announcing they would not donate to the Boy Scouts, 20 yrs ago 
> or so, I swore off their overpriced crap.  I never bought their overpriced 
> jeans anyway.   They could have quietly quit supporting BSA, but rather than 
> that they attempted to inflict as much damage as they could to BSA.  Screw 
> them!
> 
> I never could justify the price of carrhart, but have considered them from 
> time to time.
> 
>> Craig via Mercedes 
>> December 23, 2019 at 10:44 PM
>> I have had different brands of blue jeans with various
>> lengths of usable life and comfort of fit.
>> 
>> Have any of you found a particular brand to wear longer
>> than others? Fit better than others?
>> 
>> How about places to buy them? Are the ones sold at Wally World worse
>> quality than those sold at other places? How about Tractor Supply?
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: We talked about socks, how about blue jeans?

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I really like Vertx cargo pants, because the cargo pockets are more
discrete and perfect for carrying a smart phone and a small notebook.  I
wear these with a nice shirt to work (unless I need to wear a jacket and
tie, then I put on real dress slacks).

https://vertx.com/f1-vtx8001-nv

It looks like they have replace the model I bought with the linked
version.  I bought six pairs of the originals in three different colors,
and still have all six.  The two that I wore most often are starting to
fray and come apart a little but are still very serviceable.  Mine are a
poly-cotton blend, so wash and wear.  The additional cargo pockets are the
big sell for me, plus they look smart enough to wear at work and other
places that blue jeans would not be appropriate.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 11:45 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I have had different brands of blue jeans with various
> lengths of usable life and comfort of fit.
>
> Have any of you found a particular brand to wear longer
> than others? Fit better than others?
>
> How about places to buy them? Are the ones sold at Wally World worse
> quality than those sold at other places? How about Tractor Supply?
>
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Re: [MBZ] 124 monovalve variations

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

This is different than the 87 -- circ pump is under the washer reservior on 
that car, monovalve is by the battery.
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Re: [MBZ] 124 monovalve variations

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Probably.  Will have hoses attached.  Doesn't look like what I remember from 
mine, but mine is an 87.
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Re: [MBZ] Axle boot replacement

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Did you see Allen's reply?  He has the tool.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 11:22 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> the the boots and funnel are available on fleabay and mean wimmin.
> Since I have 12 to do right off the start, I think the expander is worth
> the price.
>
> > Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
> > December 23, 2019 at 4:41 PM
> > I saw that video too
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT: We talked about socks, how about blue jeans?

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Wranglers fit/feel better. El Mercado de Wal sells them cheap enough. Levi lost 
its way ages ago. Try carpenter pants, the fabric is a bit thicker and the fit 
is looser (loser) and they have the pencil/tool pocket and hammer loop for 
added utility. If you want to look like an old geek cargo pants are great!

I have some bibs somewhere I need to dig out. 

All this is predicated on not giving a sh*t about being a fashion statement. 
Except maybe if you wear proper boots, then you might need to rethink all that 
a bit. 

--FT
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> On Dec 23, 2019, at 11:45 PM, Craig via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I have had different brands of blue jeans with various
> lengths of usable life and comfort of fit.
> 
> Have any of you found a particular brand to wear longer
> than others? Fit better than others?
> 
> How about places to buy them? Are the ones sold at Wally World worse
> quality than those sold at other places? How about Tractor Supply?
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: We talked about socks, how about blue jeans?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

40 years ago, $20 Sedgefield (Wrangler's premium brand) were substantially 
better than $12 Wranglers.
They fit better (more human shaped but less efficient use of material), the 
material was heavier and more densely woven, and the seams were triple or 
quadruple stitched. And those 1980 Wranglers were better than today's Wranglers 
IMO.

Now I'll just wear $20 Wranglers or $30 Dickies or sometimes Carhardts. 
I buy the Wranglers when they're on sake for $15 or less. They're fine for 
casual wear, but they snag/tear easily if you're around exposed nails or 
thorns. Wore a brand new pair to my parents house, mom need a light bulb 
changed. 
I didn't notice her ladder had a small nail head sticking out, and poked a hole 
in my Wranglers. I darned it and still wear them 2 years later, but I don't 
think Carhardts would have ripped in the first place. 
Wouldn't buy crappy imported $50 Levis even if I hadn't started boycotting 
Levi/Dockers/etc in the 1990s.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Seems like a crack price to me but maybe not with the crack prices people are paying these days

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Could flip that to the FB boys for at least $3k and the sedans for $1500 each. 
Quadruple your money in no time. 

--FT
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> On Dec 23, 2019, at 9:34 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well isn't the wagon sort of rare?
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
>> On Mon, Dec 23, 2019, 9:07 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Mercedes W123 X 3
>> 
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>> https://columbiamo.craigslist.org/pts/d/wooldridge-mercedes-w123-3/7043118028.html
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Re: [MBZ] OT: We talked about socks, how about blue jeans?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I used to be a Levi’s guy, as I had an uncle that worked for them his whole 
life and often passed me freebies as I was his sample size when I was younger. 
I noticed maybe 10-15 years ago that the fabric was noticeably lighter and that 
they didn’t wear nearly as long - but the prices weren’t any different.

At that point I went to name-brand Wranglers and have been far more pleased at 
the durability and longevity.

I wear jeans for working, not a fashion statement. If they’re going to wear out 
prematurely, I’ll find others that won’t.

-D


> On Dec 24, 2019, at 12:28 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Real Merkuns wear Blue Bell brands:  Wrangler, Rustler etc. or bib overalls.  
> (or carrhart if you want to flash you used to have cash)
> I wear wranglers.   They have "outlet" stores all over.  Or you can buy the 
> cheap ones without the W on the back pockets at places like wallyland.
> I figure I get about 1 year out of a $17 pair.   When I was in HS, Wrangler 
> supported the rodeo circuit, and Billy Minnick had his signature on Wrangler 
> cowboy cut and boot cut.  They also fit well.
> 
> Real men wear wranglers, (or carrhart)   Pencil neck geeks and q ueers in NY 
> and SF wear le vis
> 
> For Bibs, I've been getting Key, because that is the only brand I can find.  
> About $34, and they also last about 1 year of everyday wear.  THe new ones 
> are Sunday Bibs, the next newest are Saturday Bibs.  Then there are Everyday 
> Bibs, and when patched they become undercar work bibs.
> 
> I've also had wrangler Khakis, and their tan work jeans that are sorta 
> competing with carrhart.  The lightweight ones wear also about a year for 
> $14-15.   I've not bought the heavy weight ones tht really compete with 
> carrhart.
> 
> I will never buy anything made by Le vi, the commie lovers.   When they made 
> a big deal of announcing they would not donate to the Boy Scouts, 20 yrs ago 
> or so, I swore off their overpriced crap.  I never bought their overpriced 
> jeans anyway.   They could have quietly quit supporting BSA, but rather than 
> that they attempted to inflict as much damage as they could to BSA.  Screw 
> them!
> 
> I never could justify the price of carrhart, but have considered them from 
> time to time.
> 
>> Craig via Mercedes 
>> December 23, 2019 at 10:44 PM
>> I have had different brands of blue jeans with various
>> lengths of usable life and comfort of fit.
>> 
>> Have any of you found a particular brand to wear longer
>> than others? Fit better than others?
>> 
>> How about places to buy them? Are the ones sold at Wally World worse
>> quality than those sold at other places? How about Tractor Supply?
>> 
>> 
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