Re: [MBZ] OT - RIP - Neal Peart

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Good read. Thanks!

-D

> On Jan 11, 2020, at 11:53 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Here is one BMWMOA News article.
> 
> http://neilpeart.net/files/5113/5307/9661/bmw.pdf
> 
> There is a more recent one also.While the band traveled by bus, he rode 
> to the next destination on the BMW, often overland, if there were not too 
> many fences in the way.
> 
>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> January 11, 2020 at 2:16 PM
>> If I recall, and it’s been some time, he transited Central America and 
>> nearly all of South America in the book, right? Pretty much just riding the 
>> bike and relying on the kindness of strangers.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] One for Clay

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I could see that. We would occasionally have -40F or colder in WI in the winter.

For those who have never experienced temperatures like this, understand that 
once it gets below about -20F you really can’t tell the difference. It’s just 
COLD.

-D

> On Jan 12, 2020, at 12:34 AM, Craig via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 11 Jan 2020 17:33:42 -0900 Clay via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> The more pressing issues seem to be freezing up of drain lines in the
>> -50c weather the past weeks.
> 
>   -70F ?  In Anchorage?
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] More windows 10 update

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
It's not "physical" off-site storage, but it is off-site nonetheless. And encrypted is good. I would think most encryption has back doors for our favorite three letter agencies. IIRC, PGP or one popular encryption software was killed due to the lack of access by said agencies. 


Rick




The feds are once again mad at Apple, because a dead Saudi 'mass shooter' won't 
unlock his iPhone for them and Apple can't. IIRC Barr is agitating for mandatory 
backdoors.


Mitch

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Re: [MBZ] One for Clay

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Sat, 11 Jan 2020 17:33:42 -0900 Clay via Mercedes
 wrote:


The more pressing issues seem to be freezing up of drain lines in the
-50c weather the past weeks.


   -70F ?  In Anchorage?



-40C=-40F
-50C=-58F

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Re: [MBZ] More windows 10 update

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Well, like last time all they have to do is hire a long haired maggot 
infested hacker kid.



Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
January 12, 2020 at 6:04 AM



The feds are once again mad at Apple, because a dead Saudi 'mass 
shooter' won't unlock his iPhone for them and Apple can't. IIRC Barr 
is agitating for mandatory backdoors.


Mitch


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[MBZ] watch out for gray smiley sprinters.

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Wherever you drive, (on any continent or island)  Watch out for moron 
drivers in gray sprinter vans with a goofy yellow "smile" on the sides 
and ends.   I saw one come on an onramp, cut in behind a semi, then 
immediately cut into the left land on a busy interstate.   The sprinter 
was going all of 35-45 mph, so everyone in the left lane had to jam on 
the brakes to keep from hitting the moron or someone behind it.    Left 
lane had been running along at 75.


It seems bozos (the boss) requires the drivers to deliver more packages 
than humanly possible within their shift, so drivers don't get breaks 
and believe they have to speed and drive like maniacs.   I believe after 
1-3 huge lawsuits are won or settled against amazBozos, that the 
behavior will be corrected eventually.  In the meantime, no telling how 
many people will be killed or maimed.   The one good thing for us is 
that there will be many wrecked sprinters showing up on copart.


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Re: [MBZ] More windows 10 update

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

If you’re referring to the San Bernadino shooter’s iPhone, they hired the 
Israeli firm (Cellebrite) that does mobile forensic software. No hacker kids 
involved.

-D


> On Jan 12, 2020, at 8:53 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well, like last time all they have to do is hire a long haired maggot 
> infested hacker kid.
> 
>> Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>> January 12, 2020 at 6:04 AM
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The feds are once again mad at Apple, because a dead Saudi 'mass shooter' 
>> won't unlock his iPhone for them and Apple can't. IIRC Barr is agitating for 
>> mandatory backdoors.
>> 
>> Mitch
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Re: [MBZ] watch out for gray smiley sprinters.

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Most likely lawsuits will not be directed at the Island of Large Wimmen or it’s 
owner. Many of the Amazonia sprinters you see are contractors who own the truck 
and routes they serve, much like FedEx Ground does.

-D


> On Jan 12, 2020, at 10:06 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Wherever you drive, (on any continent or island)  Watch out for moron drivers 
> in gray sprinter vans with a goofy yellow "smile" on the sides and ends.   I 
> saw one come on an onramp, cut in behind a semi, then immediately cut into 
> the left land on a busy interstate.   The sprinter was going all of 35-45 
> mph, so everyone in the left lane had to jam on the brakes to keep from 
> hitting the moron or someone behind it.Left lane had been running along 
> at 75.
> 
> It seems bozos (the boss) requires the drivers to deliver more packages than 
> humanly possible within their shift, so drivers don't get breaks and believe 
> they have to speed and drive like maniacs.   I believe after 1-3 huge 
> lawsuits are won or settled against amazBozos, that the behavior will be 
> corrected eventually.  In the meantime, no telling how many people will be 
> killed or maimed.   The one good thing for us is that there will be many 
> wrecked sprinters showing up on copart.
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Re: [MBZ] Replacement Key Head for 124

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I made one out of spruce. It lasted tolerably well considering my poor 
woodworking skills. I've still got it around somewhere.

Curt

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  On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 9:55 PM, Mitch Haley via 
Mercedes wrote:   Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
> I bought one of these for a 124 key that was missing the plastic head:
> 
> https://blenddoor.com/product/billet-aluminum-key-head/
> 
> Nice product, looks and feels good.  We'll see how long it will hold up,
> undoubtably a lot longer than the cheapo plastic replacements that are out
> there.
> 

For $30-40, I'd take the time to make one out of Walnut (didn't Wilton do this?)
or carbon fiber cloth. I think the carbon weave would be an interesting 
variation on the texture of the original. Maybe reinforce the original with 
carbon and epoxy (probably UV resistant epoxy) and vacuum bag it?
The issue with carbon would be not having any loose ends sticking through the 
epoxy, carbon slivers are no fun.

Mitch

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Re: [MBZ] One for Clay

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I usually suggest that -20F is, for me anyway, the point at which cold really 
starts to hurt. Beyond that, as you say, it's pretty much all the same. I think 
-30f is as cold as I've ever experienced.
Curt

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  On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 6:59 AM, Dan Penoff via 
Mercedes wrote:   I could see that. We would 
occasionally have -40F or colder in WI in the winter.

For those who have never experienced temperatures like this, understand that 
once it gets below about -20F you really can’t tell the difference. It’s just 
COLD.

-D

> On Jan 12, 2020, at 12:34 AM, Craig via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 11 Jan 2020 17:33:42 -0900 Clay via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> The more pressing issues seem to be freezing up of drain lines in the
>> -50c weather the past weeks.
> 
>  -70F ?  In Anchorage?
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] One for Clay

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

I experienced -28F one Christmas eve in Central NY. Old Subaru fired right
off.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Sun, Jan 12, 2020, 12:41 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I usually suggest that -20F is, for me anyway, the point at which cold
> really starts to hurt. Beyond that, as you say, it's pretty much all the
> same. I think -30f is as cold as I've ever experienced.
> Curt
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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>   On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 6:59 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   I could see that. We would occasionally
> have -40F or colder in WI in the winter.
>
> For those who have never experienced temperatures like this, understand
> that once it gets below about -20F you really can’t tell the difference.
> It’s just COLD.
>
> -D
>
> > On Jan 12, 2020, at 12:34 AM, Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, 11 Jan 2020 17:33:42 -0900 Clay via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> The more pressing issues seem to be freezing up of drain lines in the
> >> -50c weather the past weeks.
> >
> >  -70F ?  In Anchorage?
> >
> >
> > Craig
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Re: [MBZ] One for Clay

[OK Don via Mercedes]

-30F north of MPLS one January - we couldn't trun the prop of the radial
engine with two of us hanging on it. It took an hour of a big propane
heater on the engine and the gasoline powered cabin heater running before
we could turn it over - straight 50 wt. oil. Also a new battery - the old
one was frozen solid - came out in pieces.
Once we did get it started, I think it the shortest take-off run we ever
made in the fully loaded Cessna 195. (N9598A if you want to look it up).

On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 11:44 AM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I experienced -28F one Christmas eve in Central NY. Old Subaru fired right
> off.
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
> On Sun, Jan 12, 2020, 12:41 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I usually suggest that -20F is, for me anyway, the point at which cold
> > really starts to hurt. Beyond that, as you say, it's pretty much all the
> > same. I think -30f is as cold as I've ever experienced.
> > Curt
> >
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >
> >   On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 6:59 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes<
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   I could see that. We would occasionally
> > have -40F or colder in WI in the winter.
> >
> > For those who have never experienced temperatures like this, understand
> > that once it gets below about -20F you really can’t tell the difference.
> > It’s just COLD.
> >
> > -D
> >
> > > On Jan 12, 2020, at 12:34 AM, Craig via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sat, 11 Jan 2020 17:33:42 -0900 Clay via Mercedes
> > >  wrote:
> > >
> > >> The more pressing issues seem to be freezing up of drain lines in the
> > >> -50c weather the past weeks.
> > >
> > >  -70F ?  In Anchorage?
> > >
> > >
> > > Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Replacement Key Head for 124

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

I have run one of those aluminum key heads on a 123 key for a year or two
and aside from the black color wearing off the corners it is as good as the
day I put it on. I agree the price is steep. I was going to have a
machinist friend do a run in part because my mechanic always comments on
how nice it is. The mechanic is an older german guy who does a lot of high
dollar 50s 300sl etc cars and is not easily impressed.

On Sun, Jan 12, 2020, 9:38 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
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> I made one out of spruce. It lasted tolerably well considering my poor
> woodworking skills. I've still got it around somewhere.
>
> Curt
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
>   On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 9:55 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
> > I bought one of these for a 124 key that was missing the plastic head:
> >
> > https://blenddoor.com/product/billet-aluminum-key-head/
> >
> > Nice product, looks and feels good.  We'll see how long it will hold up,
> > undoubtably a lot longer than the cheapo plastic replacements that are
> out
> > there.
> >
>
> For $30-40, I'd take the time to make one out of Walnut (didn't Wilton do
> this?)
> or carbon fiber cloth. I think the carbon weave would be an interesting
> variation on the texture of the original. Maybe reinforce the original
> with
> carbon and epoxy (probably UV resistant epoxy) and vacuum bag it?
> The issue with carbon would be not having any loose ends sticking through
> the
> epoxy, carbon slivers are no fun.
>
> Mitch
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Re: [MBZ] Progress 300D 2.5

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

I have never welded sheet metal into a car before, but I might tear into
various spots soon. There is a little edge bender I saw that helps make a
little bevel on both sides so the weld ends up flush with the surface.

On Thu, Jan 9, 2020, 2:07 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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> I have finally been able to stop the process of tearing things up and
> welding on the 300D 2.5.   Today I was able to install the new brake
> lines.  I have more sheet metal patching to do, but I'm done welding. If
> I had Dimitri's skills and tools, i'd weld in patches, but these are
> getting glued and screwed, as they are non-structural, and underneath.
>
> Tomorrow I hope to take Wilton's subframe and the wheel carriers to get
> powerwashed and press in new bushings.After that I will do a trial
> fitting of the subframe.   Then I will start assembling the subframe.
> Not sure what day that will be, but it is supposed to rain for 40 days
> and 40 nights, so I can work on the assembly inside.
>
> I reversed, and decided to order MB hoses for the fuel  in and out of
> the tank.   Waiting for those and the prior order from CC to show up. CC
> sent the prior order to the wrong address, but the right address was
> clearly in the email I sent.   Need the hoses before I can put in the
> subframe.   Hopefully within a week or 2 the car will be back together.
>
> Well, actually there is one more spot I need to tear out the undercoat
> and dig out the rust flakes, but it is relatively easy to get to; just a
> complex shape.  Probably a 6" x 8" patch if I had to guess.
>
> I will order new rear calipers next week too, along with the axle boot
> tool and boots.
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Re: [MBZ] Replacement Key Head for 124

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Mitch - yes, Wilton made one from wood, for his 300D, and that ignition 
cylinder is now in my long languishing cabriolet, and I have the key too. It is 
very nice, I simply don't have time to replicate it.

Maybe Floyd can set up his DIY CNC machine to cut a batch from wood?

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jan 11, 2020 9:55:48 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes :

> Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
> 
> > I bought one of these for a 124 key that was missing the plastic head:
> > 
> > https://blenddoor.com/product/billet-aluminum-key-head/
> > 
> > Nice product, looks and feels good. We'll see how long it will hold up,
> > undoubtably a lot longer than the cheapo plastic replacements that are out
> > there.
> > 
> > 
> 
> For $30-40, I'd take the time to make one out of Walnut (didn't Wilton do 
> this?)
> or carbon fiber cloth. I think the carbon weave would be an interesting
> variation on the texture of the original. Maybe reinforce the original with
> carbon and epoxy (probably UV resistant epoxy) and vacuum bag it?
> The issue with carbon would be not having any loose ends sticking through the
> epoxy, carbon slivers are no fun.
> 
> Mitch
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Re: [MBZ] Replacement Key Head for 124

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Curt wrote:

> I made one out of spruce. It lasted tolerably well considering
> my poor woodworking skills. I've still got it around somewhere.

What about 3D print?  Not as elegant, for sure.  But easy and
effective.

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Re: [MBZ] One for Clay

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Yeah, probably - at least if you linger outside at all! Any exposed mucous 
membranes like your mouth or nose will tell you the minute the ambient air hits 
them. 

Another way to tell how *really* cold it is is to expectorate and see how 
quickly it freezes. If it turns to ice before it hits the ground, it’s very 
cold. I’ve done the cup of water thing, too. It’s actually pretty cool.

-D


> On Jan 12, 2020, at 12:40 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I usually suggest that -20F is, for me anyway, the point at which cold really 
> starts to hurt. Beyond that, as you say, it's pretty much all the same. I 
> think -30f is as cold as I've ever experienced.
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> 
>  On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 6:59 AM, Dan Penoff via 
> Mercedes wrote:   I could see that. We would 
> occasionally have -40F or colder in WI in the winter.
> 
> For those who have never experienced temperatures like this, understand that 
> once it gets below about -20F you really can’t tell the difference. It’s just 
> COLD.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jan 12, 2020, at 12:34 AM, Craig via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> On Sat, 11 Jan 2020 17:33:42 -0900 Clay via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> The more pressing issues seem to be freezing up of drain lines in the
>>> -50c weather the past weeks.
>> 
>>   -70F ?  In Anchorage?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Progress 300D 2.5

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I did not know Curley had a 2.5. 

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> On Jan 12, 2020, at 12:50 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have never welded sheet metal into a car before, but I might tear into
> various spots soon. There is a little edge bender I saw that helps make a
> little bevel on both sides so the weld ends up flush with the surface.
> 
>> On Thu, Jan 9, 2020, 2:07 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I have finally been able to stop the process of tearing things up and
>> welding on the 300D 2.5.   Today I was able to install the new brake
>> lines.  I have more sheet metal patching to do, but I'm done welding. If
>> I had Dimitri's skills and tools, i'd weld in patches, but these are
>> getting glued and screwed, as they are non-structural, and underneath.
>> 
>> Tomorrow I hope to take Wilton's subframe and the wheel carriers to get
>> powerwashed and press in new bushings.After that I will do a trial
>> fitting of the subframe.   Then I will start assembling the subframe.
>> Not sure what day that will be, but it is supposed to rain for 40 days
>> and 40 nights, so I can work on the assembly inside.
>> 
>> I reversed, and decided to order MB hoses for the fuel  in and out of
>> the tank.   Waiting for those and the prior order from CC to show up. CC
>> sent the prior order to the wrong address, but the right address was
>> clearly in the email I sent.   Need the hoses before I can put in the
>> subframe.   Hopefully within a week or 2 the car will be back together.
>> 
>> Well, actually there is one more spot I need to tear out the undercoat
>> and dig out the rust flakes, but it is relatively easy to get to; just a
>> complex shape.  Probably a 6" x 8" patch if I had to guess.
>> 
>> I will order new rear calipers next week too, along with the axle boot
>> tool and boots.
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Re: [MBZ] Progress 300D 2.5

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

For non structural rust repair, POR-15 and fiberglass makes a great repair if 
you don’t want to weld. It’s actually preferable in some cases where the weld 
can’t be protected from the backside.

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> On Jan 9, 2020, at 5:07 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have finally been able to stop the process of tearing things up and welding 
> on the 300D 2.5.   Today I was able to install the new brake lines.  I have 
> more sheet metal patching to do, but I'm done welding. If I had Dimitri's 
> skills and tools, i'd weld in patches, but these are getting glued and 
> screwed, as they are non-structural, and underneath.
> 
> Tomorrow I hope to take Wilton's subframe and the wheel carriers to get 
> powerwashed and press in new bushings.After that I will do a trial 
> fitting of the subframe.   Then I will start assembling the subframe. Not 
> sure what day that will be, but it is supposed to rain for 40 days and 40 
> nights, so I can work on the assembly inside.
> 
> I reversed, and decided to order MB hoses for the fuel  in and out of the 
> tank.   Waiting for those and the prior order from CC to show up. CC sent the 
> prior order to the wrong address, but the right address was clearly in the 
> email I sent.   Need the hoses before I can put in the subframe.   Hopefully 
> within a week or 2 the car will be back together.
> 
> Well, actually there is one more spot I need to tear out the undercoat and 
> dig out the rust flakes, but it is relatively easy to get to; just a complex 
> shape.  Probably a 6" x 8" patch if I had to guess.
> 
> I will order new rear calipers next week too, along with the axle boot tool 
> and boots.
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Re: [MBZ] One for Clay

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sun, 12 Jan 2020 07:06:42 -0500 Mitch Haley via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Craig via Mercedes wrote:
> > On Sat, 11 Jan 2020 17:33:42 -0900 Clay via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > 
> >> The more pressing issues seem to be freezing up of drain lines in the
> >> -50c weather the past weeks.
> > 
> >-70F ?  In Anchorage?
>
> -40C=-40F
> -50C=-58F

You are correct. It was operator error on my on-screen RPN calculator
with the negative number: not realizing I needed to hit enter after
changing the sign.

The coldest I have been in was -48F in Pullman, Washington.

My father asked my brother and me to go with him to the grocery store,
but when he could not get the car started ('54 Ford with 6 V battery),
he suggested walking there. About half-a-block later I said, "This is
nuts!" and turned around. Once inside, I looked at the outside
thermometer and saw only a speck of read at the bottom of the scale
which went to -50F.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] One for Clay

[Clay via Mercedes]

I was too lazy to transfer the temp F to C, as it was reported in the 
newspaper.  Not local ANC temp, this was out in the boonies where there are no 
reliable services the way there are in an urban setting.

clay

> On Jan 11, 2020, at 8:33 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 11 Jan 2020 17:33:42 -0900 Clay via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> The more pressing issues seem to be freezing up of drain lines in the
>> -50c weather the past weeks.
> 
>   -70F ?  In Anchorage?
> 
> 
> Craig

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Re: [MBZ] One for Clay

[Clay via Mercedes]

Hoar frost build up on road signs has rendered them unreadable.   Tree limbs 
are becoming exceedingly heavy with increased frost over the very dry snow 
cover.  I suspect the constant condensate from all the furnaces and power 
plant/vehicles is precipitating out.  There are frost rainbows to the south and 
it looks like gay pride parade glitter has been spewed by the chem trails out 
of all the bombers on their way to NK and Iran.


clay

> On Jan 12, 2020, at 2:58 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I could see that. We would occasionally have -40F or colder in WI in the 
> winter.
> 
> For those who have never experienced temperatures like this, understand that 
> once it gets below about -20F you really can’t tell the difference. It’s just 
> COLD.
> 
> -D

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Re: [MBZ] One for Clay

[Clay via Mercedes]

Viable cold is seeing your exhalation.  Very Cold is when your nose hairs 
freeze up and snap off at inhalation.   Balaclava helps, but you get icing and 
your eyebrows and lashes frost over.  Eyeballs get sucked dry and hurt.  
Exterior relative humidity runs around 75%, but interior falls to 3-4% if 
people are breathing and the humidifier is left running overnight.  

I see the forecast is for at least another dozen days of Very Cold.  Now the 
stuff is sliding to the south and will be infesting SEA and PDX this coming 
week.  Might be getting a Polar Vortex setting up for later this month.

clay


> On Jan 12, 2020, at 11:31 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Yeah, probably - at least if you linger outside at all! Any exposed mucous 
> membranes like your mouth or nose will tell you the minute the ambient air 
> hits them. 
> 
> Another way to tell how *really* cold it is is to expectorate and see how 
> quickly it freezes. If it turns to ice before it hits the ground, it’s very 
> cold. I’ve done the cup of water thing, too. It’s actually pretty cool.
> 
> -D

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