Re: [MBZ] Belt tensioner arm OM603, vs OM602, VS OM606

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 23:56:03 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:

> yeah, the actual bearing is 5935xx, and somewhere between 26 and 30 mm 
> wide.   It is unobtanium.   Last year I found 2 FAG 6004s on fleabay
> for cheap. THose went in the 87.  I made a center spacer from the shell
> of the old bearing.   6004s are only 12mm wide.   I was thinking the
> spacer was about 3 mm.

I found your original email:
=
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Subject: [MBZ] OM601, OM602, OM603 belt tensioner bearing info
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The bearing is FAG 565592   (previous posting had the number wrong)

ID: 20mm
OD: 42MM
Width: 29/30

Mine measured 29.3mm

Meyle number: 014 098 0020

The problem is that none appear to be available, except a few in yurp 
for something in the area of 50 euro or 50 Bp when I can buy the whole 
assembly for $45 from FCP.

I took Jim's solution and ordered 2 6004-2RS FAG bearings for under $12 
delivered.
=


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Re: [MBZ] Belt tensioner arm OM603, vs OM602, VS OM606

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 20:43:24 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Just got the belt tensioner arm from AZ for the 91 OM602.   If is a 606 
> part number which autohaus shows as correct for the 91.  However it
> does not have the same roller bearing in the middle as I am used to
> with the 603 in 124 and 126.   THis has a much larger hole and what
> looks like spring steel inserts over front and rear bushings, where the
> bearing should be.   It also looks deeper front to back than the 603
> arm.   It would require a much larger diameter bolt.


From my file of the things I have done:

12 Jul 2019
Done - Call AutohausAZ, 1-800-240-4620: When will order ship? They said
the tensioner will come from one of their "sister"
warehouses and may not arrive until Wednesday/Thursday
Done - Ordered from AutohausAZ:
Genuine Mercedes Bolt Cover at Center Bolt of Belt Tensioner Lever
P/N: 6012020622 $ 1.44
Febi Bilstein Belt Tensioner Lever P/N: FB-6012001773   $44.21
  Parts Total   $45.65
USPS Priority Mail  $ 9.99
  Tax   $ 0.00
Total   $55.64

The tensioner lever does come with the bearing installed.



> Anyone had the arm off a 91 or newer OM602 turbo?   Does it have the 
> bearing retained by a internal circlip?  (roller bearing about 1/8" 
> wider than 2 of ball bearings of the same od/id as the roller bearing 
> that can't be purchased separately.   I wanna say it was 2 6004
> bearings with a spacer that I used last time to avoid buying the whole
> arm.

I don't recall what the part looked like, and I did not take pictures of
the part and how it went together. Perhaps looking for the part number
listed above on AutohausAZ's website will yield a picture.

I do recall your email about the bearings and put the information in a
file here on my system, but I cannot find it now.

I already have the radiator in and the other things assembled, so I
am very hesitant to take the car apart and photograph what the part looks
like.

However, I may still have the old tensioner arm (the one which came on
the car). If I find it, I can take a picture of it and post it to the
list -- tomorrow, I need to get to bed now.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Belt tensioner arm OM603, vs OM602, VS OM606

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

yeah, the actual bearing is 5935xx, and somewhere between 26 and 30 mm 
wide.   It is unobtanium.   Last year I found 2 FAG 6004s on fleabay for 
cheap. THose went in the 87.  I made a center spacer from the shell of 
the old bearing.   6004s are only 12mm wide.   I was thinking the spacer 
was about 3 mm.


Since I found one with a good bearing, i'll use it, but will look to 
procure a couple 6004s and get the next one ready to go in.


Yes, I think a good bronze bushing may do better.  But I have no way to 
machine one and I bet you can't buy one the right size.


fleabay has some double roller bearings the right ID and OD, but 30 mm 
wide.  might work, but they are $50 to $120, so you'd be as well of to 
just buy the new arm for $70.   I think I got the 2 6004s last year for $8.



OK Don via Mercedes 
March 20, 2020 at 11:36 PM
IIRC, for the 602 and 603, it was a double wide bearing, which was
expensive and hard to find. However, someone here pointed me to using two
regular bearings - which worked fine.
However, that use of a roller bearing is one of the worst cases for them -
frequent partial rotation/ I wonder if a nice brass bushing wouldn't do
better in that location?
Is there an engineer in the house???

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Re: [MBZ] Belt tensioner arm OM603, vs OM602, VS OM606

[OK Don via Mercedes]

IIRC, for the 602 and 603, it was a double wide bearing, which was
expensive and hard to find. However, someone here pointed me to using two
regular bearings - which worked fine.
However, that use of a roller bearing is one of the worst cases for them -
frequent partial rotation/ I wonder if a nice brass bushing wouldn't do
better in that location?
Is there an engineer in the house???

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 11:30 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Found my box of used belt tensioner arms.   I had marked on the box need
> 2x 6004 bearings.   I found one in there with a good bearing I was
> pretty sure I had salvaged from a 124 with a 606 in it.   I will put
> that one on tomorrow, then I don't have to mess with trying to find
> 6004, or wait a week to get bearings or a $70 arm.
>
> Want to do the tensioner arm, the fan clutch and change coolant all at
> once.
>
> Maybe late 606 or turbo 606 have that different tensionerarm?
>
> I found a youboob about changing the bearing, but he does not say where
> he got the bearing.  calls himself turbodieselweasel.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1Cc7XSHZlA
> I don't need a how to change the bearing, I need a "Where the H can you
> BUY the special roller bearing for it."   FAG does not even list the
> number in their crossover catalogs.   No bearing house can find it.  MB
> does not have it.Easy enough to change, if only you could find the
> bearing.
>
> > Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
> > March 20, 2020 at 9:14 PM
> > That is the 606 version, it will not work on a 602.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Belt tensioner arm OM603, vs OM602, VS OM606

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Found my box of used belt tensioner arms.   I had marked on the box need 
2x 6004 bearings.   I found one in there with a good bearing I was 
pretty sure I had salvaged from a 124 with a 606 in it.   I will put 
that one on tomorrow, then I don't have to mess with trying to find 
6004, or wait a week to get bearings or a $70 arm.


Want to do the tensioner arm, the fan clutch and change coolant all at once.

Maybe late 606 or turbo 606 have that different tensionerarm?

I found a youboob about changing the bearing, but he does not say where 
he got the bearing.  calls himself turbodieselweasel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1Cc7XSHZlA
I don't need a how to change the bearing, I need a "Where the H can you 
BUY the special roller bearing for it."   FAG does not even list the 
number in their crossover catalogs.   No bearing house can find it.  MB 
does not have it.    Easy enough to change, if only you could find the 
bearing.



Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
March 20, 2020 at 9:14 PM
That is the 606 version, it will not work on a 602.



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Re: [MBZ] Belt tensioner arm OM603, vs OM602, VS OM606

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

crap, I can't find the bearing number.   I changed one about a year ago 
and posted the bearing number.   I think  it was 6004.  but I may be 
confusing that with the driveshaft carrier bearing.   I changed that 
about the same time.


6004 is 20x42x12mm

Carrier bearing I found is 6006-2rs   30x55x13

so it is 2 6004 I need to rebuild one of the old tensioners.   Wonder 
who has a couple for cheep?   Local would be best!




Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
March 20, 2020 at 9:14 PM
That is the 606 version, it will not work on a 602.



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Re: [MBZ] I was at the Dr today

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Most likely yes. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 20, 2020, at 9:44 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> the next 2 big outbreaks will be in Kittyhawk NC and no water, OK.Weird! 
>  How could that happen?
> 
>> Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>> March 20, 2020 at 9:34 PM
>> Meanwhile, NYC is starting to go sideways, hospitals will be totally 
>> overwhelmed in the next few days. Let’s see how worried that makes you
>> 
>> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] I was at the Dr today

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>
> The wuhan foo virus was exposed to Chuck Norris!

>
The virus is now hospitalized for at least 14 days.

-MMM-
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Re: [MBZ] I was at the Dr today

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

the next 2 big outbreaks will be in Kittyhawk NC and no water, OK.    
Weird!  How could that happen?



Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
March 20, 2020 at 9:34 PM
Meanwhile, NYC is starting to go sideways, hospitals will be totally 
overwhelmed in the next few days. Let’s see how worried that makes you


--FT
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Re: [MBZ] Belt tensioner arm OM603, vs OM602, VS OM606

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I should probably have one on the shelf

--FT
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> On Mar 20, 2020, at 10:22 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Ok, thanks.   Guess I'd better find the bearing number and get a couple.   I 
> have 2 old tensioners I can rebuild.   That way I don't have to wait a week 
> and pay $60-70.
> 
> Anyone need a 606 tensioner?
> 
>> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>> March 20, 2020 at 9:14 PM
>> That is the 606 version, it will not work on a 602.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] I was at the Dr today

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Meanwhile, NYC is starting to go sideways, hospitals will be totally 
overwhelmed in the next few days. Let’s see how worried that makes you 

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Mar 20, 2020, at 8:31 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I’m not worried 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 20, 2020, at 7:22 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Read,some statistics & epidemiology experts
>> 
>> Dwight Giles Jr.
>> Wickford RI
>> 
 On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 8:19 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> You all are just feeding into the hysteria. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Mar 20, 2020, at 7:09 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Yes,seems like he hasn't read,any statistics or reports.
 
 Dwight Giles Jr.
 Wickford RI
 
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 7:05 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Your doc is full of sh*t.  Find a new doc.
> 
> --FT
> 
>> On 3/20/20 6:20 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> He says this whole covid deal is blown way out of proportion by the
> media. It has been around a long time and it’s just scare tactics.
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] I was at the Dr today

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Perfect.

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 8:54 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> There, I fixed it!
> > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> > March 20, 2020 at 8:18 PM
> > Glad we sorted that out! It's the New York Times Best Seller NOVEL:
> > corona virus.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Belt tensioner arm OM603, vs OM602, VS OM606

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Ok, thanks.   Guess I'd better find the bearing number and get a 
couple.   I have 2 old tensioners I can rebuild.   That way I don't have 
to wait a week and pay $60-70.


Anyone need a 606 tensioner?


Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
March 20, 2020 at 9:14 PM
That is the 606 version, it will not work on a 602.



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Re: [MBZ] Belt tensioner arm OM603, vs OM602, VS OM606

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

That is the 606 version, it will not work on a 602.

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> On Mar 20, 2020, at 8:44 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Just got the belt tensioner arm from AZ for the 91 OM602.   If is a 606 part 
> number which autohaus shows as correct for the 91.  However it does not have 
> the same roller bearing in the middle as I am used to with the 603 in 124 and 
> 126.   THis has a much larger hole and what looks like spring steel inserts 
> over front and rear bushings, where the bearing should be.   It also looks 
> deeper front to back than the 603 arm.   It would require a much larger 
> diameter bolt.
> 
> Anyone had the arm off a 91 or newer OM602 turbo?   Does it have the bearing 
> retained by a internal circlip?  (roller bearing about 1/8" wider than 2 of 
> ball bearings of the same od/id as the roller bearing that can't be purchased 
> separately.   I wanna say it was 2 6004 bearings with a spacer that I used 
> last time to avoid buying the whole arm.
> 
> I don't want to take it apart and have the car sit for a week while the right 
> arms gets here.   This would take a completely different bolt also.  Much 
> larger diameter.  I;m trying to figure out if this is just wrong, or if this 
> engine has been updated and this is the right arm.
> 
> THanks for any ideas.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Belt tensioner arm OM603, vs OM602, VS OM606

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Sort of.   What was under that big black plug?   A bearing, or a front 
and back bushing with spring steel sleeves?



Craig via Mercedes 
March 20, 2020 at 8:56 PM
On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 20:43:24 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes

Is the attached picture what you are looking for?


Craig



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Re: [MBZ] The paint is good

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Dunno why all these people give up on these cars.   Its only 277k miles 
on a million mile Mercedes, and its only 35 years old and still going 
strong!



Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
March 20, 2020 at 8:23 PM
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Re: [MBZ] I was at the Dr today

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

There, I fixed it!

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
March 20, 2020 at 8:18 PM
Glad we sorted that out! It's the New York Times Best Seller NOVEL: 
corona virus.




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Re: [MBZ] I was at the Dr today

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

May I remind you that a novel is fiction?   


Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
March 20, 2020 at 8:12 PM
Yeah coronavirus has been around for a long time. THIS coronavirus is 
new. Thats why its referred to as "novel".

-Curt



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Re: [MBZ] OT: C-41 process film/scan services

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I used to do quite a bit of film work at home, including C41 and E6
development.  C41 is very simple to do at home, even easier than black and
white in some ways, since its completely standardized and little you can do
to vary the output.

Lots of kits are available:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/For-Color-Film/ci/595/N/4288586380

The biggest challenge with C41 is most processes require temperature
control at 100F.  This means you need a good way to control temperature...
a sous vide might do the trick these days.  Or look for a use Jobo film
processor, I have a few of them.

Then you need to scan, which isn't as easy as it seems.  Color accuracy is
difficult and varies by film brand.

Heres a frame from one of the last rolls I shot:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/jaimekop/41987615885/in/dateposted-public/

Most of the photos on flickr were taken on film.  I haven't had much time
for it lately.

Dwanyes does a decent job, but also scratches negatives a lot.  Their
quality is very hit and miss.

Good luck,
Jaime


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> For the first time in years I shot a roll of film a few weeks ago. While
> I was happy with the results, I was shocked when the processing (with no
> prints -- only scanning to digital files) came out to nearly $30
> (including shipping).
>
> Anyone do this and have any more affordable options? Or done their own
> C-41 processing? I have done a fair amount of black and white film work,
> but never color. I always thought it was much more exacting and
> complicated in terms of chemistry, temperatures, and timings.
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[MBZ] Belt tensioner arm OM603, vs OM602, VS OM606

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Just got the belt tensioner arm from AZ for the 91 OM602.   If is a 606 
part number which autohaus shows as correct for the 91.  However it does 
not have the same roller bearing in the middle as I am used to with the 
603 in 124 and 126.   THis has a much larger hole and what looks like 
spring steel inserts over front and rear bushings, where the bearing 
should be.   It also looks deeper front to back than the 603 arm.   It 
would require a much larger diameter bolt.


Anyone had the arm off a 91 or newer OM602 turbo?   Does it have the 
bearing retained by a internal circlip?  (roller bearing about 1/8" 
wider than 2 of ball bearings of the same od/id as the roller bearing 
that can't be purchased separately.   I wanna say it was 2 6004 bearings 
with a spacer that I used last time to avoid buying the whole arm.


I don't want to take it apart and have the car sit for a week while the 
right arms gets here.   This would take a completely different bolt 
also.  Much larger diameter.  I;m trying to figure out if this is just 
wrong, or if this engine has been updated and this is the right arm.


THanks for any ideas.


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[MBZ] The paint is good

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

1984 Mercedes 300D Turbo

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Re: [MBZ] I was at the Dr today

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Correct. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 20, 2020, at 8:13 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> 
> Yeah coronavirus has been around for a long time. THIS coronavirus is new. 
> Thats why its referred to as "novel".
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Friday, March 20, 2020, 9:10:58 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Mar 20, 2020, at 7:38 PM, Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:
> > 
> > Your Doc said it’s been around for a long time? Is he for real?
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> >> On Mar 20, 2020, at 8:31 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >> I’m not worried 
> >> 
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> 
>  On Mar 20, 2020, at 7:22 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Read,some statistics & epidemiology experts
> >>> 
> >>> Dwight Giles Jr.
> >>> Wickford RI
> >>> 
> > On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 8:19 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
>  You all are just feeding into the hysteria. 
>  
>  Sent from my iPhone
>  
> > On Mar 20, 2020, at 7:09 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Yes,seems like he hasn't read,any statistics or reports.
> > 
> > Dwight Giles Jr.
> > Wickford RI
> > 
> >> On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 7:05 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Your doc is full of sh*t.  Find a new doc.
> >> 
> >> --FT
> >> 
> >>> On 3/20/20 6:20 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> He says this whole covid deal is blown way out of proportion by the
> >> media. It has been around a long time and it’s just scare tactics.
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] I was at the Dr today

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Glad we sorted that out!  It's the NOVEL corona virus.

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 9:15 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yes.
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 9:13 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> >  Yeah coronavirus has been around for a long time. THIS coronavirus is
> > new. Thats why its referred to as "novel".
> > -Curt
> >
> > On Friday, March 20, 2020, 9:10:58 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via
> Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> >  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Mar 20, 2020, at 7:38 PM, Dimitri Seretakis 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Your Doc said it’s been around for a long time? Is he for real?
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >> On Mar 20, 2020, at 8:31 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I’m not worried
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>
> >  On Mar 20, 2020, at 7:22 PM, Dwight Giles 
> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> 
> > >>> Read,some statistics & epidemiology experts
> > >>>
> > >>> Dwight Giles Jr.
> > >>> Wickford RI
> > >>>
> > > On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 8:19 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >  You all are just feeding into the hysteria.
> > 
> >  Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> > > On Mar 20, 2020, at 7:09 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes,seems like he hasn't read,any statistics or reports.
> > >
> > > Dwight Giles Jr.
> > > Wickford RI
> > >
> > >> On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 7:05 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Your doc is full of sh*t.  Find a new doc.
> > >>
> > >> --FT
> > >>
> > >>> On 3/20/20 6:20 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> > >>> He says this whole covid deal is blown way out of proportion by
> the
> > >> media. It has been around a long time and it’s just scare tactics.
> > >>>
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Re: [MBZ] I was at the Dr today

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Yes.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 9:13 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>  Yeah coronavirus has been around for a long time. THIS coronavirus is
> new. Thats why its referred to as "novel".
> -Curt
>
> On Friday, March 20, 2020, 9:10:58 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
>  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 20, 2020, at 7:38 PM, Dimitri Seretakis 
> wrote:
> >
> > Your Doc said it’s been around for a long time? Is he for real?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Mar 20, 2020, at 8:31 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I’m not worried
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
>  On Mar 20, 2020, at 7:22 PM, Dwight Giles 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>> Read,some statistics & epidemiology experts
> >>>
> >>> Dwight Giles Jr.
> >>> Wickford RI
> >>>
> > On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 8:19 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>  You all are just feeding into the hysteria.
> 
>  Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Mar 20, 2020, at 7:09 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Yes,seems like he hasn't read,any statistics or reports.
> >
> > Dwight Giles Jr.
> > Wickford RI
> >
> >> On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 7:05 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Your doc is full of sh*t.  Find a new doc.
> >>
> >> --FT
> >>
> >>> On 3/20/20 6:20 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> He says this whole covid deal is blown way out of proportion by the
> >> media. It has been around a long time and it’s just scare tactics.
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] I was at the Dr today

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Yeah coronavirus has been around for a long time. THIS coronavirus is new. 
Thats why its referred to as "novel".
-Curt

On Friday, March 20, 2020, 9:10:58 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 20, 2020, at 7:38 PM, Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:
> 
> Your Doc said it’s been around for a long time? Is he for real?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 20, 2020, at 8:31 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I’m not worried 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Mar 20, 2020, at 7:22 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Read,some statistics & epidemiology experts
>>> 
>>> Dwight Giles Jr.
>>> Wickford RI
>>> 
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 8:19 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 You all are just feeding into the hysteria. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Mar 20, 2020, at 7:09 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes,seems like he hasn't read,any statistics or reports.
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 7:05 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Your doc is full of sh*t.  Find a new doc.
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>>> On 3/20/20 6:20 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>> He says this whole covid deal is blown way out of proportion by the
>> media. It has been around a long time and it’s just scare tactics.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Corona Virus Information

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

There goes another great romantic dating hideaway.

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 3:20 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> I'm worried about this now
>
> https://allthatsinteresting.com/chlamydia-arctic-ocean
>
> WHEN WILL IT STOP
>
> --FT
>
> On 3/20/20 2:53 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:
> > I just ran across some information y'all might want to see.
> >
> >
> > Craig
> >
> >
> >
> https://www.dailywire.com/news/curl-covid-19-in-the-u-s-doomsday-numbers-just-dont-add-up
> >JOSEPH CURL: COVID-19 In The U.S.: Doomsday Numbers Just Don’t Add Up
> >
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpuBbuiSNKU
> >Coronavirus disease (COVID-19)
> >Dr. Drew Pinsky joins Colin to discuss and give updates on the
> >  coronavirusMar 19, 2020
> >The Hippocratic Oath says to do no harm -- the precautions are now
> >  doing much harm
> >
> >
> > https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/index.html
> > Get the latest information from the CDC about COVID-19
> >
> >
> >
> https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/03.16.20_coronavirus-guidance_8.5x11_315PM.pdf
> >Coronavirus Guidance Referenced on the CDC's page
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Re: [MBZ] I was at the Dr today

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus

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> On Mar 20, 2020, at 7:38 PM, Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:
> 
> Your Doc said it’s been around for a long time? Is he for real?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 20, 2020, at 8:31 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I’m not worried 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Mar 20, 2020, at 7:22 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Read,some statistics & epidemiology experts
>>> 
>>> Dwight Giles Jr.
>>> Wickford RI
>>> 
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 8:19 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 You all are just feeding into the hysteria. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Mar 20, 2020, at 7:09 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes,seems like he hasn't read,any statistics or reports.
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 7:05 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Your doc is full of sh*t.  Find a new doc.
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>>> On 3/20/20 6:20 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>> He says this whole covid deal is blown way out of proportion by the
>> media. It has been around a long time and it’s just scare tactics.
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] I was at the Dr today

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

It is not about worry-it's about data. I am not worried either but i am
taking the precautions

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

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> I’m not worried
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 20, 2020, at 7:22 PM, Dwight Giles 
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Read,some statistics & epidemiology experts
> >
> > Dwight Giles Jr.
> > Wickford RI
> >
> >> On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 8:19 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> You all are just feeding into the hysteria.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> > On Mar 20, 2020, at 7:09 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Yes,seems like he hasn't read,any statistics or reports.
> >> >
> >> > Dwight Giles Jr.
> >> > Wickford RI
> >> >
> >> >> On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 7:05 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> >> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Your doc is full of sh*t.  Find a new doc.
> >> >>
> >> >> --FT
> >> >>
> >> >>> On 3/20/20 6:20 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> >> >>> He says this whole covid deal is blown way out of proportion by the
> >> >> media. It has been around a long time and it’s just scare tactics.
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Re: [MBZ] OT Islands closing borders

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Haven't you met him? He's Doktor Booth's nephew.    His father is 
descended from the Law West of the Pecos.




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March 20, 2020 at 11:09 AM
“marshall law”

Who is he?



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Re: [MBZ] I was at the Dr today

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Your Doc said it’s been around for a long time? Is he for real?

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> On Mar 20, 2020, at 8:31 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I’m not worried 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 20, 2020, at 7:22 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Read,some statistics & epidemiology experts
>> 
>> Dwight Giles Jr.
>> Wickford RI
>> 
 On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 8:19 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> You all are just feeding into the hysteria. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Mar 20, 2020, at 7:09 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Yes,seems like he hasn't read,any statistics or reports.
 
 Dwight Giles Jr.
 Wickford RI
 
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 7:05 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Your doc is full of sh*t.  Find a new doc.
> 
> --FT
> 
>> On 3/20/20 6:20 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> He says this whole covid deal is blown way out of proportion by the
> media. It has been around a long time and it’s just scare tactics.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] I was at the Dr today

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I’m not worried 

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> On Mar 20, 2020, at 7:22 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
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> Read,some statistics & epidemiology experts
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
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> 
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 8:19 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> You all are just feeding into the hysteria. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Mar 20, 2020, at 7:09 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>> >  wrote:
>> > 
>> > Yes,seems like he hasn't read,any statistics or reports.
>> > 
>> > Dwight Giles Jr.
>> > Wickford RI
>> > 
>> >> On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 7:05 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> Your doc is full of sh*t.  Find a new doc.
>> >> 
>> >> --FT
>> >> 
>> >>> On 3/20/20 6:20 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> >>> He says this whole covid deal is blown way out of proportion by the
>> >> media. It has been around a long time and it’s just scare tactics.
>> >>> 
>> >>> 
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Re: [MBZ] I was at the Dr today

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Read,some statistics & epidemiology experts

Dwight Giles Jr.
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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> You all are just feeding into the hysteria.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Mar 20, 2020, at 7:09 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Yes,seems like he hasn't read,any statistics or reports.
> >
> > Dwight Giles Jr.
> > Wickford RI
> >
> >> On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 7:05 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Your doc is full of sh*t.  Find a new doc.
> >>
> >> --FT
> >>
> >>> On 3/20/20 6:20 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> He says this whole covid deal is blown way out of proportion by the
> >> media. It has been around a long time and it’s just scare tactics.
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] In this battle against the Woo Hoo Floo ...

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Like in Chicago?

-D

> On Mar 20, 2020, at 7:42 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> He needs to put up gun-free zone signs all over the city and pass some laws 
> against shooting people 
> 
> --FT
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>> wrote:
>> 
>> On Wednesday, after seven people were shot in Baltimore on Tuesday night,
>> Baltimore Mayor Jack Young pleaded with residents to stop shooting each
>> other so there would be beds available for victims of the coronavirus.
>> 
>> https://www.dailywire.com/news/baltimore-mayor-stop-shooting-each-other-we-need-the-hospital-beds
>> Baltimore Mayor: Stop Shooting Each Other. We Need The Hospital Beds.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] I was at the Dr today

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You all are just feeding into the hysteria. 

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> On Mar 20, 2020, at 7:09 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes,seems like he hasn't read,any statistics or reports.
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
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> 
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 7:05 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Your doc is full of sh*t.  Find a new doc.
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>>> On 3/20/20 6:20 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>> He says this whole covid deal is blown way out of proportion by the
>> media. It has been around a long time and it’s just scare tactics.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] I was at the Dr today

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Yes,seems like he hasn't read,any statistics or reports.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 7:05 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Your doc is full of sh*t.  Find a new doc.
>
> --FT
>
> On 3/20/20 6:20 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> > He says this whole covid deal is blown way out of proportion by the
> media. It has been around a long time and it’s just scare tactics.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT Stocks are on Sale!

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Craig asks:

>Do you have an update on this chart?


As a matter of fact, I do. Another massive drop, then time to buy. 


Rick


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Re: [MBZ] In this battle against the Woo Hoo Floo ...

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He needs to put up gun-free zone signs all over the city and pass some laws 
against shooting people 

--FT
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> On Mar 20, 2020, at 7:23 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Wednesday, after seven people were shot in Baltimore on Tuesday night,
> Baltimore Mayor Jack Young pleaded with residents to stop shooting each
> other so there would be beds available for victims of the coronavirus.
> 
> https://www.dailywire.com/news/baltimore-mayor-stop-shooting-each-other-we-need-the-hospital-beds
>  Baltimore Mayor: Stop Shooting Each Other. We Need The Hospital Beds.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Stocks are on Sale!

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On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 10:21:26 -0600 Rick Knoble via Mercedes
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> Interesting little comparison chart. 

Rick,

Do you have an update on this chart?


Craig

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[MBZ] In this battle against the Woo Hoo Floo ...

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wednesday, after seven people were shot in Baltimore on Tuesday night,
Baltimore Mayor Jack Young pleaded with residents to stop shooting each
other so there would be beds available for victims of the coronavirus.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/baltimore-mayor-stop-shooting-each-other-we-need-the-hospital-beds
  Baltimore Mayor: Stop Shooting Each Other. We Need The Hospital Beds.


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Re: [MBZ] I was at the Dr today

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Perfect Darwin moment.

Who gets the cars in the back 40?

-D

> On Mar 20, 2020, at 7:08 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
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> 
> What Floyd said ...
> 
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 6:05 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Your doc is full of sh*t.  Find a new doc.
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>> On 3/20/20 6:20 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>> He says this whole covid deal is blown way out of proportion by the
>> media. It has been around a long time and it’s just scare tactics.
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> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> 
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> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
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Re: [MBZ] I was at the Dr today

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What Floyd said ...

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 6:05 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Your doc is full of sh*t.  Find a new doc.
>
> --FT
>
> On 3/20/20 6:20 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> > He says this whole covid deal is blown way out of proportion by the
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> >
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learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
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Re: [MBZ] I was at the Dr today

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Your doc is full of sh*t.  Find a new doc.

--FT

On 3/20/20 6:20 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

He says this whole covid deal is blown way out of proportion by the media. It 
has been around a long time and it’s just scare tactics.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: A contrarian view on COVID-19, plus good news - there's a CURE!

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

"As the coronavirus spreads more widely around the globe, scientists are 
starting to use a powerful new tool: a blood test that identifies people who 
have previously been exposed to the virus. This kind of test is still under 
development in the United States, but it has been rolled out for use in 
Singapore and China...snip

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/02/28/810131079/how-a-coronavirus-blood-test-could-solve-some-medical-mysteries

..
> Karl writes:
> 
> >Let's all hope the true prevalence of asymptomatic infection is much higher 
> >than suspected and that the case fatality rates are wild overestimates.
> 
> Unfortunately, the only way to know that is if an antibody test is 
> administered. To my knowledge none has been developed, or is in the process 
> of being developed. Half the population could have had it already and 
> recovered, and we will never know. 
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Re: [MBZ] Case in point: How to lie with statistics

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Quinine can be dangerous:

https://www.peoplespharmacy.com/articles/is-quinine-in-tonic-water-safe
..
MG via Mercedes  wrote:

> It still comes in glass bottles? All I've looked 
> at in the stores are in plastic. In any case your 
> method will probably work quite well, unless you 
> don't want to buy a bottle just to find out.
> 
> MG
> 
> Craig via Mercedes wrote:
> > On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 11:55:36 -0500 MG via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > 
> >> If it says 'contains quinine' on the bottle then 
> >> it should. If I remember right quinine fluoresces 
> >> under UV light so you could hit it with your AC 
> >> leak detector light and see what happens
> > 
> > But you cannot aim the light at the bottle and see -- glass absorbs UV --
> > you have to pour some out and aim the light directly at the liquid.
> > 
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[MBZ] I was at the Dr today

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

He says this whole covid deal is blown way out of proportion by the media. It 
has been around a long time and it’s just scare tactics. 


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[MBZ] OT some Covid updates

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Not good, although now the doc who blew the whistle has been rehabilitated by 
the glorious party. 

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/coronavirus-live-updates-china-exonerates-whistleblower-doctor-warned/story?id=69702910


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Re: [MBZ] C41 processing

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Thanks -- better than what I paid!

Allan


Rick Hawkins Java Letterpress Cycles Photon via Mercedes
 writes:

> These folks are great for cheap processing
> https://www.dwaynesphoto.com/newsite2006/color-neg-processprint.html
>
> They were the last Kodachrome processor
>
> For b&w these people do a grea t job and deliver HUGE SCANS ... big files for 
> big prints
>
> VERY GOOD WORK
>
> And in 2020 $$ it is all very cheap
>
> https://www.memphisfilmlab.org/pricing
>
> There you go
>
> Xx rick
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[MBZ] C41 processing

[Rick Hawkins Java Letterpress Cycles Photon via Mercedes]

These folks are great for cheap processing
https://www.dwaynesphoto.com/newsite2006/color-neg-processprint.html

They were the last Kodachrome processor

For b&w these people do a grea t job and deliver HUGE SCANS ... big files for 
big prints

VERY GOOD WORK

And in 2020 $$ it is all very cheap

https://www.memphisfilmlab.org/pricing

There you go

Xx rick

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Re: [MBZ] Case in point: How to lie with statistics

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 11:58:23 -0500 MG via Mercedes
 wrote:

> It still comes in glass bottles? All I've looked 
> at in the stores are in plastic. In any case your 
> method will probably work quite well, unless you 
> don't want to buy a bottle just to find out.

Sorry, I presumed it came in glass bottles, since I have never bought any.

Plastic also absorbs UV, so my statement below is still accurate.


Craig

> Craig via Mercedes wrote:
> > On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 11:55:36 -0500 MG via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > 
> >> If it says 'contains quinine' on the bottle then 
> >> it should. If I remember right quinine fluoresces 
> >> under UV light so you could hit it with your AC 
> >> leak detector light and see what happens
> > 
> > But you cannot aim the light at the bottle and see -- glass absorbs
> > UV -- you have to pour some out and aim the light directly at the
> > liquid.

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Re: [MBZ] Corona Virus Information

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I'm worried about this now

https://allthatsinteresting.com/chlamydia-arctic-ocean

WHEN WILL IT STOP

--FT

On 3/20/20 2:53 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

I just ran across some information y'all might want to see.


Craig


https://www.dailywire.com/news/curl-covid-19-in-the-u-s-doomsday-numbers-just-dont-add-up
   JOSEPH CURL: COVID-19 In The U.S.: Doomsday Numbers Just Don’t Add Up


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpuBbuiSNKU
   Coronavirus disease (COVID-19)
   Dr. Drew Pinsky joins Colin to discuss and give updates on the
 coronavirusMar 19, 2020
   The Hippocratic Oath says to do no harm -- the precautions are now
 doing much harm


https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/index.html
Get the latest information from the CDC about COVID-19


https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/03.16.20_coronavirus-guidance_8.5x11_315PM.pdf
   Coronavirus Guidance Referenced on the CDC's page

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[MBZ] Corona Virus Information

[Craig via Mercedes]

I just ran across some information y'all might want to see.


Craig


https://www.dailywire.com/news/curl-covid-19-in-the-u-s-doomsday-numbers-just-dont-add-up
  JOSEPH CURL: COVID-19 In The U.S.: Doomsday Numbers Just Don’t Add Up


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpuBbuiSNKU
  Coronavirus disease (COVID-19)
  Dr. Drew Pinsky joins Colin to discuss and give updates on the
coronavirusMar 19, 2020
  The Hippocratic Oath says to do no harm -- the precautions are now
doing much harm


https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/index.html
Get the latest information from the CDC about COVID-19


https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/03.16.20_coronavirus-guidance_8.5x11_315PM.pdf
  Coronavirus Guidance Referenced on the CDC's page

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Re: [MBZ] OT Islands closing borders

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

There is likely a sizeable body of law regarding access to beaches and coastal 
islands that has been built up since WW-2 in coastal states; especially in 
Florida. Over the years I've read many stories about closed access to the St. 
Petersburg and Clearwater Florida beaches with variable decisions.
Under the current circumstances I would bet that they can get away with it.

> Two islands have just decided to close their borders to all except 
> residents, rental contracts, day workers, delivery vehicles (including 
> food), employees for 14 days and will reassess after that--so no beach 
> time y'all unless you live there.
> 
> The parks dept closed all the parks, which includes the one I use to get 
> to the beach down the road.  I have ways around it, but still...
> 
> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: OT: C-41 process film/scan services

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I tried color printing once with one of those tubular processors. The ones 
where you exposed the paper, put the paper in this plastic tube that had a 
light lock on one end, and you poured chemicals in and out.

The results were less than stellar. What little color film processing I needed 
to went Kodak. The color printing I left to a couple different labs I used, one 
that was really good in Milwaukee, but they’re gone now. Sucks, because you 
could send them just about anything with instructions on how you wanted it 
printed (burn in here, mask here, etc., etc.) and they would do it.

-D

> On Mar 20, 2020, at 2:14 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I did a lot of B&W processing back in the day, and even did a color print 
> once. I don't recall what the process was, but it was a lot of trouble and I 
> did not repeat the experiment.
> 
> I am thoroughly happy with digital and have no personal need for the old tech.
> 
> Greg
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Allan 
> Streib via Mercedes
> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 10:32 AM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: Allan Streib
> Subject: [MBZ] OT: C-41 process film/scan services
> 
> For the first time in years I shot a roll of film a few weeks ago. While
> I was happy with the results, I was shocked when the processing (with no
> prints -- only scanning to digital files) came out to nearly $30
> (including shipping).
> 
> Anyone do this and have any more affordable options? Or done their own
> C-41 processing? I have done a fair amount of black and white film work,
> but never color. I always thought it was much more exacting and
> complicated in terms of chemistry, temperatures, and timings.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: OT: C-41 process film/scan services

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Oh definitely, it's easy to see why digital killed film on cost alone.

There's just something a bit nostalgic that I like about the look of a
film image. If I do more I'll likely go back to B&W. I still have a full
darkroom packed away in the basement -- enlarger, safelights, tanks,
etc.

Allan


Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes  writes:

> I did a lot of B&W processing back in the day, and even did a color print 
> once. I don't recall what the process was, but it was a lot of trouble and I 
> did not repeat the experiment.
>
> I am thoroughly happy with digital and have no personal need for the old tech.
>
> Greg
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Allan 
> Streib via Mercedes
> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 10:32 AM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: Allan Streib
> Subject: [MBZ] OT: C-41 process film/scan services
>
> For the first time in years I shot a roll of film a few weeks ago. While
> I was happy with the results, I was shocked when the processing (with no
> prints -- only scanning to digital files) came out to nearly $30
> (including shipping).
>
> Anyone do this and have any more affordable options? Or done their own
> C-41 processing? I have done a fair amount of black and white film work,
> but never color. I always thought it was much more exacting and
> complicated in terms of chemistry, temperatures, and timings.
>
> Allan
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[MBZ] ***SPAM*** RE: OT: C-41 process film/scan services

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

I did a lot of B&W processing back in the day, and even did a color print once. 
I don't recall what the process was, but it was a lot of trouble and I did not 
repeat the experiment.

I am thoroughly happy with digital and have no personal need for the old tech.

Greg

-Original Message-
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via Mercedes
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 10:32 AM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Allan Streib
Subject: [MBZ] OT: C-41 process film/scan services

For the first time in years I shot a roll of film a few weeks ago. While
I was happy with the results, I was shocked when the processing (with no
prints -- only scanning to digital files) came out to nearly $30
(including shipping).

Anyone do this and have any more affordable options? Or done their own
C-41 processing? I have done a fair amount of black and white film work,
but never color. I always thought it was much more exacting and
complicated in terms of chemistry, temperatures, and timings.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] OT: C-41 process film/scan services

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I processed/printed B&W (Tri-X?) back in college. The school had the 
capability of doing color but the intro to photography class I took was only 
B&W.
-Curt

On Friday, March 20, 2020, 1:49:04 PM EDT, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 No, but I have this big-ass power supply I use to drive my CNC machine 
that I bought for $30 at the electronics surplus shop, came out of one 
of those big film processor machines they used to have a Walgreens, etc.

I think my uncle used to process color print film when he worked for a 
TV station as their photographer back in the early 70s, or it might have 
just been slides, and I vaguely recall a buddy of mine in high school 
would do it too, either at home in a darkroom closet (which really 
annoyed his mom) or at the camera shop where he worked.  I don't know 
any details (it has been awhile! and I probably never did anyway...)

--FT

On 3/20/20 1:38 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> I used to do B&W and E-4, but I don’t recall C-41 or any of the color 
> negative processes being something that was easy or could be done DIY.
>
> You’ll drop a small fortune for chemicals anyway, so just bite the bullet and 
> pay someone to process it for you if you’re going to use it.
>
> I did E-4 and E-6 because it wasn’t difficult to do in small batches, and I 
> also tinkered a lot with infrared Ektachrome, which Kodak and their labs 
> would not process, you had to do it yourself. Something about the processing 
> that exhausted the chemicals much quicker than regular E-4 or E-6 if I recall.
>
> Ahhh, the smell of fixer and Dektol…
>
> -D
>
>> On Mar 20, 2020, at 1:32 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> For the first time in years I shot a roll of film a few weeks ago. While
>> I was happy with the results, I was shocked when the processing (with no
>> prints -- only scanning to digital files) came out to nearly $30
>> (including shipping).
>>
>> Anyone do this and have any more affordable options? Or done their own
>> C-41 processing? I have done a fair amount of black and white film work,
>> but never color. I always thought it was much more exacting and
>> complicated in terms of chemistry, temperatures, and timings.
>>
>> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT: C-41 process film/scan services

[OK Don via Mercedes]

C-41 is easier (fewer steps) than E-4 or E-6. IIRC, the temps are a little
less critical as well - since you can correct in the printing. A JOBO water
tray processor makes it easy. However, the life of the chemistry is limited
once it's mixed up, so unless you shoot enough to exhaust the chemistry,
you'll probably be better off sending it out. Given the limited demand, and
inflation, I'm not surprised at the cost.

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 12:39 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I used to do B&W and E-4, but I don’t recall C-41 or any of the color
> negative processes being something that was easy or could be done DIY.
>
> You’ll drop a small fortune for chemicals anyway, so just bite the bullet
> and pay someone to process it for you if you’re going to use it.
>
> I did E-4 and E-6 because it wasn’t difficult to do in small batches, and
> I also tinkered a lot with infrared Ektachrome, which Kodak and their labs
> would not process, you had to do it yourself. Something about the
> processing that exhausted the chemicals much quicker than regular E-4 or
> E-6 if I recall.
>
> Ahhh, the smell of fixer and Dektol…
>
> -D
>
> > On Mar 20, 2020, at 1:32 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > For the first time in years I shot a roll of film a few weeks ago. While
> > I was happy with the results, I was shocked when the processing (with no
> > prints -- only scanning to digital files) came out to nearly $30
> > (including shipping).
> >
> > Anyone do this and have any more affordable options? Or done their own
> > C-41 processing? I have done a fair amount of black and white film work,
> > but never color. I always thought it was much more exacting and
> > complicated in terms of chemistry, temperatures, and timings.
> >
> > Allan
> >
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Re: [MBZ] TYBEE ISLAND

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

yep, doing it here too, everyone is home now going stir crazy so they 
want to go to the beach with the kids.  And then all the college kids 
furloughed who want to hang with their friends and get bored sitting at home


--FT

On 3/20/20 1:33 PM, Rick Hawkins Java Letterpress Cycles Photon via 
Mercedes wrote:

Folks,

They want to close Tybee Island to residents only but have not ... the beach is 
closed

Some bars etc are still open which maybe should not be

Here is the official story

https://www.cityoftybee.org/DocumentCenter/View/2009/Tybee-Emergency-Directive?bidId=

Here is a more complicated version:

City Council - my synopsis - March 18, 2020
FINAL DECISION: All businesses close at 11 pm, except restaurants may sell 
take-out food until 2:45 am, if the customer has called in the order. So the 
convenience stores and bars will close earlier than they normally do. Effective 
on Friday evening. Can be reviewed, but effective at least until April 1st. 
Unanimous vote to approve.  It was originally 10 pm, but 2 bar owners asked for 
11 pm.

No late fees on utility bills. No utility cut-off for "the time being."
Non-emergency City personnel are not working on-site this week.
If you usually go to the fire station for blood pressure checks, those will now 
be done outside of the building.
Volunteer fire fighters will not report until further notice.
DPW are disinfecting playgrounds, beach crossovers, and continuing to do 
emergency repair work.
Court has been postponed. Campground is at 50% capacity and won't accept any 
more campers. No activities at campground.
Residents can still get building permits and inspections. Jan Leviner, Clerk of 
Council, will continue to work remotely.
All meetings have been cancelled this week. We'll decide about next week at the 
end of this week.
IT department has everyone set up to work remotely.
Dump hours are normal this week. It's a health issue to keep it open.
Mayor Shirley encourages everyone to check the FB and web site pages to stay 
current.

City will allow restaurants to have 2 parking places for picking up take-out 
orders. They'll use cones and signs.
Mayor Shirley communicated with Carter, Petrie and Watson. Tybee CC asked them 
and Gov Kemp to defer sales taxes on businesses for the months of March and 
April. It would help all business owners. The City can waive late fees for 
upcoming business licenses. They can extend the deadline for another month. 
There are already procedures in place to assist residents with late fees, on a 
case-by-case basis.
Letter asks for their consideration in allowing a mobile testing unit on Tybee. 
Ben Watson is in the health field. Ben reiterated that people should follow the 
CDC recommendations.

The scheduled March 26, 202
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Re: [MBZ] OT: C-41 process film/scan services

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

No, but I have this big-ass power supply I use to drive my CNC machine 
that I bought for $30 at the electronics surplus shop, came out of one 
of those big film processor machines they used to have a Walgreens, etc.


I think my uncle used to process color print film when he worked for a 
TV station as their photographer back in the early 70s, or it might have 
just been slides, and I vaguely recall a buddy of mine in high school 
would do it too, either at home in a darkroom closet (which really 
annoyed his mom) or at the camera shop where he worked.  I don't know 
any details (it has been awhile! and I probably never did anyway...)


--FT

On 3/20/20 1:38 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I used to do B&W and E-4, but I don’t recall C-41 or any of the color negative 
processes being something that was easy or could be done DIY.

You’ll drop a small fortune for chemicals anyway, so just bite the bullet and 
pay someone to process it for you if you’re going to use it.

I did E-4 and E-6 because it wasn’t difficult to do in small batches, and I 
also tinkered a lot with infrared Ektachrome, which Kodak and their labs would 
not process, you had to do it yourself. Something about the processing that 
exhausted the chemicals much quicker than regular E-4 or E-6 if I recall.

Ahhh, the smell of fixer and Dektol…

-D


On Mar 20, 2020, at 1:32 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes  
wrote:

For the first time in years I shot a roll of film a few weeks ago. While
I was happy with the results, I was shocked when the processing (with no
prints -- only scanning to digital files) came out to nearly $30
(including shipping).

Anyone do this and have any more affordable options? Or done their own
C-41 processing? I have done a fair amount of black and white film work,
but never color. I always thought it was much more exacting and
complicated in terms of chemistry, temperatures, and timings.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] OT: C-41 process film/scan services

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I used to do B&W and E-4, but I don’t recall C-41 or any of the color negative 
processes being something that was easy or could be done DIY.

You’ll drop a small fortune for chemicals anyway, so just bite the bullet and 
pay someone to process it for you if you’re going to use it.

I did E-4 and E-6 because it wasn’t difficult to do in small batches, and I 
also tinkered a lot with infrared Ektachrome, which Kodak and their labs would 
not process, you had to do it yourself. Something about the processing that 
exhausted the chemicals much quicker than regular E-4 or E-6 if I recall.

Ahhh, the smell of fixer and Dektol…

-D

> On Mar 20, 2020, at 1:32 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> For the first time in years I shot a roll of film a few weeks ago. While
> I was happy with the results, I was shocked when the processing (with no
> prints -- only scanning to digital files) came out to nearly $30
> (including shipping).
> 
> Anyone do this and have any more affordable options? Or done their own
> C-41 processing? I have done a fair amount of black and white film work,
> but never color. I always thought it was much more exacting and
> complicated in terms of chemistry, temperatures, and timings.
> 
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[MBZ] TYBEE ISLAND

[Rick Hawkins Java Letterpress Cycles Photon via Mercedes]

Folks,

They want to close Tybee Island to residents only but have not ... the beach is 
closed

Some bars etc are still open which maybe should not be

Here is the official story

https://www.cityoftybee.org/DocumentCenter/View/2009/Tybee-Emergency-Directive?bidId=

Here is a more complicated version:

City Council - my synopsis - March 18, 2020
FINAL DECISION: All businesses close at 11 pm, except restaurants may sell 
take-out food until 2:45 am, if the customer has called in the order. So the 
convenience stores and bars will close earlier than they normally do. Effective 
on Friday evening. Can be reviewed, but effective at least until April 1st. 
Unanimous vote to approve.  It was originally 10 pm, but 2 bar owners asked for 
11 pm. 

No late fees on utility bills. No utility cut-off for "the time being."
Non-emergency City personnel are not working on-site this week.
If you usually go to the fire station for blood pressure checks, those will now 
be done outside of the building.
Volunteer fire fighters will not report until further notice.
DPW are disinfecting playgrounds, beach crossovers, and continuing to do 
emergency repair work.
Court has been postponed. Campground is at 50% capacity and won't accept any 
more campers. No activities at campground.
Residents can still get building permits and inspections. Jan Leviner, Clerk of 
Council, will continue to work remotely.
All meetings have been cancelled this week. We'll decide about next week at the 
end of this week.
IT department has everyone set up to work remotely.
Dump hours are normal this week. It's a health issue to keep it open.
Mayor Shirley encourages everyone to check the FB and web site pages to stay 
current. 

City will allow restaurants to have 2 parking places for picking up take-out 
orders. They'll use cones and signs. 
Mayor Shirley communicated with Carter, Petrie and Watson. Tybee CC asked them 
and Gov Kemp to defer sales taxes on businesses for the months of March and 
April. It would help all business owners. The City can waive late fees for 
upcoming business licenses. They can extend the deadline for another month. 
There are already procedures in place to assist residents with late fees, on a 
case-by-case basis.
Letter asks for their consideration in allowing a mobile testing unit on Tybee. 
Ben Watson is in the health field. Ben reiterated that people should follow the 
CDC recommendations. 

The scheduled March 26, 202
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[MBZ] OT: C-41 process film/scan services

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

For the first time in years I shot a roll of film a few weeks ago. While
I was happy with the results, I was shocked when the processing (with no
prints -- only scanning to digital files) came out to nearly $30
(including shipping).

Anyone do this and have any more affordable options? Or done their own
C-41 processing? I have done a fair amount of black and white film work,
but never color. I always thought it was much more exacting and
complicated in terms of chemistry, temperatures, and timings.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Case in point: How to lie with statistics

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I wonder -is there "quinine flavoring" that subverts this proposed remedy?

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 12:59 PM MG via Mercedes 
wrote:

> It still comes in glass bottles? All I've looked
> at in the stores are in plastic. In any case your
> method will probably work quite well, unless you
> don't want to buy a bottle just to find out.
>
> MG
>
> Craig via Mercedes wrote:
> > On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 11:55:36 -0500 MG via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> If it says 'contains quinine' on the bottle then
> >> it should. If I remember right quinine fluoresces
> >> under UV light so you could hit it with your AC
> >> leak detector light and see what happens
> >
> > But you cannot aim the light at the bottle and see -- glass absorbs UV --
> > you have to pour some out and aim the light directly at the liquid.
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] I guess they are worth more than $17k these days?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

St Louis dealer.

Anyone remember Schmitt classics?  How odd there are two such specialist
dealers in SL.
https://www.schmitt.com/


On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 11:11 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 21:07:40 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > wunnerful car if you have the M100 handshake.
> >
> > Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote on 3/19/20 8:00 PM:
> > >
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-300SEL-6-3/202940218373?hash=item2f402dfc05:g:sUcAAOSwZPVec9Vu
> > >
> > >
> > > I remember one for sale in Tulsa in the mid to late 90's that was
> > > like new that was for sale for around $8k or so.
>
>
> It's riding too high, especially in the front.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Case in point: How to lie with statistics

[MG via Mercedes]

It still comes in glass bottles? All I've looked 
at in the stores are in plastic. In any case your 
method will probably work quite well, unless you 
don't want to buy a bottle just to find out.


MG

Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 11:55:36 -0500 MG via Mercedes
 wrote:

If it says 'contains quinine' on the bottle then 
it should. If I remember right quinine fluoresces 
under UV light so you could hit it with your AC 
leak detector light and see what happens


But you cannot aim the light at the bottle and see -- glass absorbs UV --
you have to pour some out and aim the light directly at the liquid.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: A contrarian view on COVID-19, plus good news - there's a CURE!

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

That rings true. I would add two things.

Our hospital has a test that will go on line Monday and has a 24h or less
turnaround. This will help us move patients through the system and test
exposed healthcare workers more rapidly. Many other hospitals are doing the
same. California and the feds are supporting more on-demand community level
testing capacity, which is good, but late.

There is an ELISA for prior exposure. Cannot recall where it has been
developed. Spain perhaps. It was in the comments on tbe skeptic article.
Random sampling studies of the population would be required to get a
snapshot. I am sure someone will do that study eventually. Knowing who is
immune would help us assign caregivers within the hospital also. Lots to
learn about the strength of immunity resulting from acute infection and how
rapidly this immunity develops.



On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 7:12 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
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> Got this a few minutes ago, from a relative of an in-law who is an
> infectious disease doc in Denver CO:
>
> Notes from the field
> I thought I would update my Facebook friends on a few things about
> COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2 in our community. There is a lot of confusing
> information out there.
> 1) First, I want to say that cases in our metro-Denver area are increasing,
> but there is almost no testing available for people who are not sick enough
> to be in the hospital, so the numbers in the news do not reflect reality.
> There are likely thousands of cases around us of varying severity, and
> numbers will continue to increase before it gets better. The timing depends
> on how well we continue with “social distancing” and protecting our
> community. I have been keeping up with the cases at the 2 hospitals that I
> work in, and with cases in other local hospitals. While it is true that
> most people with COVID-19 can “ride it out” at home, about 14% of adults
> will have a severe disease leading to respiratory failure, kidney failure,
> prolonged illness and even death. There are several patients in the
> 50-year-old range with illness like this locally and their chance of full
> recovery is very unlikely. They do not have chronic health conditions. This
> is not always a “mild illness” and does not only cause death in the
> elderly. The good news is that we are not seeing many older patients in the
> hospital, so it seems we are doing a good job of protecting our elderly
> neighbors!
> 2) The lack of testing is a huge problem. Public Health has stopped testing
> in our area because an outbreak has already been established and they are
> limited in resources. ERs are no longer testing people who are not sick
> enough to be admitted, because they are already so busy caring for patients
> with this disease as well as influenza and pneumonia and other illness that
> circulate at this time. Doctors' offices do not have the protective
> equipment (PPE) to protect their staff when testing patients, and PPE is in
> short supply across the country. The test kits are in low supply. Because
> of this, there is no way to know who many are infected.
> 3) Hospitals are already stressed. Hospital docs, nurses, and other staff
> are accustomed to stressful situations, but I can feel the anxiety around
> me. The patients are sick, and it is taking too long (4-5 days) to get the
> COVID test back. While medical workers typically are reasonable about
> “germaphobia”, and while we are washing hands and using proper PPE when
> caring for COVID-19 patients; we are touching keyboards, phones and
> doorknobs that are touched by hundreds of people a day. The biggest source
> of stress is that we know we don’t have enough PPE to deal with the
> outbreak. We will run out of masks, gloves, etc., and then our patients may
> not get the care they need, or healthcare workers might get sick. Things in
> the hospital have changed. Exterior doors are locked, chairs in sitting
> areas are gone, salad bars are gone… it feels a little apocalyptical, but
> the changes are necessary. Docs who care for these patients (ER docs,
> critical care docs, Pulmonologists, and infectious Disease docs) are
> getting hundreds of emails daily. These are emails with case reports,
> potential treatments, numbers of deaths and cases... There is no way to
> keep up with them all, but we try to read them because we don’t want to
> miss something important that might help our patients. Patients are calling
> with many questions… a lot has changed. Don’t feel sorry for us though. We
> signed up for this, and I think I speak for most hospital providers when I
> say that we want to be doing what we do. I am so impressed by the medical
> community around me. Everyone is invested in figuring out how to help
> patients and in supporting each other.
> 4) With all this being said, I do not want to sound dismal. We are much
> better equipped than Italy as we have more Critical Care beds and
> ventilators, so the mortality will be much lower in th

Re: [MBZ] OT Islands closing borders

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Ahhh, I get it. Be sure to CHECK FUSES!

-D

> On Mar 20, 2020, at 12:35 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Marshall Booth’s cousin. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 20, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> “marshall law” 
>> 
>> Who is he?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 20, 2020, at 12:04 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The town councils made these decisions.  They will put cops at the bridges 
>>> and enforce the bans.  It's easy to do with choke points.  Now whether this 
>>> is (US) constitutional/legal for domestic travel or not is another question 
>>> since martial law or whatever has not been declared, but I guess that 
>>> remains to be sorted out.
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> 
 On 3/20/20 11:58 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
 Now wouldn't there be a hue and a cry if the reverse were the case? IE - 
 if the mainland closed the road so you folks couldn't leave the island?
 Who actually has the authority to decide something like this and how does 
 one enforce it? Do you have locals with guns behind barricades checking 
 for ID?
 
 Please consider the above somewhat "tongue in cheek" as I personally think 
 we all need to hunker down and stay away from other people for a time to 
 see how this all plays out rather than carry on as usual and potentially 
 spread this disease all over.
 
 RB
 
 
 On 20/03/2020 10:52 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
> Two islands have just decided to close their borders to all except 
> residents, rental contracts, day workers, delivery vehicles (including 
> food), employees for 14 days and will reassess after that--so no beach 
> time y'all unless you live there.
> 
> The parks dept closed all the parks, which includes the one I use to get 
> to the beach down the road.  I have ways around it, but still...
> 
> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Wuhan Flu: An Update from Mayo Clinic

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 08:14:50 -0400 Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
 wrote:

> The Mayo Clinic is incredibly racist for calling this the “Wuhan” flu  

And you are incredibly racist for calling them incredibly racist.


Craig

> > On Mar 19, 2020, at 11:32 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Wuhan Flu (Wuhan coronavirus)

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Re: [MBZ] OT Islands closing borders

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Marshall Booth’s cousin. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 20, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> “marshall law” 
> 
> Who is he?
> 
> 
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 20, 2020, at 12:04 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> The town councils made these decisions.  They will put cops at the bridges 
>> and enforce the bans.  It's easy to do with choke points.  Now whether this 
>> is (US) constitutional/legal for domestic travel or not is another question 
>> since martial law or whatever has not been declared, but I guess that 
>> remains to be sorted out.
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>>> On 3/20/20 11:58 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Now wouldn't there be a hue and a cry if the reverse were the case? IE - if 
>>> the mainland closed the road so you folks couldn't leave the island?
>>> Who actually has the authority to decide something like this and how does 
>>> one enforce it? Do you have locals with guns behind barricades checking for 
>>> ID?
>>> 
>>> Please consider the above somewhat "tongue in cheek" as I personally think 
>>> we all need to hunker down and stay away from other people for a time to 
>>> see how this all plays out rather than carry on as usual and potentially 
>>> spread this disease all over.
>>> 
>>> RB
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 20/03/2020 10:52 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
 Two islands have just decided to close their borders to all except 
 residents, rental contracts, day workers, delivery vehicles (including 
 food), employees for 14 days and will reassess after that--so no beach 
 time y'all unless you live there.
 
 The parks dept closed all the parks, which includes the one I use to get 
 to the beach down the road.  I have ways around it, but still...
 
 --FT
 
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[MBZ] Bored and locked down?

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

This will help you pass the time

https://www.mercedes-benz.com/en/vehicles/passenger-cars/design-sketches

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Re: [MBZ] OT Islands closing borders

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

“marshall law” 

Who is he?



-D



> On Mar 20, 2020, at 12:04 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The town councils made these decisions.  They will put cops at the bridges 
> and enforce the bans.  It's easy to do with choke points.  Now whether this 
> is (US) constitutional/legal for domestic travel or not is another question 
> since martial law or whatever has not been declared, but I guess that remains 
> to be sorted out.
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 3/20/20 11:58 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
>> Now wouldn't there be a hue and a cry if the reverse were the case? IE - if 
>> the mainland closed the road so you folks couldn't leave the island?
>> Who actually has the authority to decide something like this and how does 
>> one enforce it? Do you have locals with guns behind barricades checking for 
>> ID?
>> 
>> Please consider the above somewhat "tongue in cheek" as I personally think 
>> we all need to hunker down and stay away from other people for a time to see 
>> how this all plays out rather than carry on as usual and potentially spread 
>> this disease all over.
>> 
>> RB
>> 
>> 
>> On 20/03/2020 10:52 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Two islands have just decided to close their borders to all except 
>>> residents, rental contracts, day workers, delivery vehicles (including 
>>> food), employees for 14 days and will reassess after that--so no beach time 
>>> y'all unless you live there.
>>> 
>>> The parks dept closed all the parks, which includes the one I use to get to 
>>> the beach down the road.  I have ways around it, but still...
>>> 
>>> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] OT Islands closing borders

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

The town councils made these decisions.  They will put cops at the 
bridges and enforce the bans.  It's easy to do with choke points.  Now 
whether this is (US) constitutional/legal for domestic travel or not is 
another question since martial law or whatever has not been declared, 
but I guess that remains to be sorted out.


--FT

On 3/20/20 11:58 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
Now wouldn't there be a hue and a cry if the reverse were the case? IE 
- if the mainland closed the road so you folks couldn't leave the island?
Who actually has the authority to decide something like this and how 
does one enforce it? Do you have locals with guns behind barricades 
checking for ID?


Please consider the above somewhat "tongue in cheek" as I personally 
think we all need to hunker down and stay away from other people for a 
time to see how this all plays out rather than carry on as usual and 
potentially spread this disease all over.


RB


On 20/03/2020 10:52 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
Two islands have just decided to close their borders to all except 
residents, rental contracts, day workers, delivery vehicles 
(including food), employees for 14 days and will reassess after 
that--so no beach time y'all unless you live there.


The parks dept closed all the parks, which includes the one I use to 
get to the beach down the road.  I have ways around it, but still...


--FT

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Re: [MBZ] OT Islands closing borders

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Now wouldn't there be a hue and a cry if the reverse were the case? IE - 
if the mainland closed the road so you folks couldn't leave the island?
Who actually has the authority to decide something like this and how 
does one enforce it? Do you have locals with guns behind barricades 
checking for ID?


Please consider the above somewhat "tongue in cheek" as I personally 
think we all need to hunker down and stay away from other people for a 
time to see how this all plays out rather than carry on as usual and 
potentially spread this disease all over.


RB


On 20/03/2020 10:52 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
Two islands have just decided to close their borders to all except 
residents, rental contracts, day workers, delivery vehicles (including 
food), employees for 14 days and will reassess after that--so no beach 
time y'all unless you live there.


The parks dept closed all the parks, which includes the one I use to 
get to the beach down the road.  I have ways around it, but still...


--FT

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[MBZ] OT Islands closing borders

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Two islands have just decided to close their borders to all except 
residents, rental contracts, day workers, delivery vehicles (including 
food), employees for 14 days and will reassess after that--so no beach 
time y'all unless you live there.


The parks dept closed all the parks, which includes the one I use to get 
to the beach down the road.  I have ways around it, but still...


--FT

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Re: [MBZ] OT: A contrarian view on COVID-19, plus good news - there's a CURE!

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Dimitri wrote:

> Seems to me that Dr. Reem is a fear mongerer.

Yeah - statements like this throw red flags

> > It has been years since I have posted anything on this page.
> > As a physician at Harvard Medical School, I have amazing
> > access to the best information and resources for #Covid19

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Re: [MBZ] Case in point: How to lie with statistics

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On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 11:55:36 -0500 MG via Mercedes
 wrote:

> If it says 'contains quinine' on the bottle then 
> it should. If I remember right quinine fluoresces 
> under UV light so you could hit it with your AC 
> leak detector light and see what happens

But you cannot aim the light at the bottle and see -- glass absorbs UV --
you have to pour some out and aim the light directly at the liquid.


Craig

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[MBZ] && the truck doesn’t stay close

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https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/209810783599549

2000 Mercedes-Benz S-Class S 430 Sedan 4D
$900
Vehicles 
Listed 17 hours ago in Savannah, GA 




 About This Vehicle…

Driven 200,000 miles
Automatic transmission
Exterior color: Brown
Fuel type: Gasoline
15.0 MPG city · 22.0 MPG highway · 18.0 MPG combined
Poor condition 


 Typical Features…

 *
   Moon Roof
 *
   Navigation System
 *
   Alloy Wheels
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   ABS (4-Wheel)
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 Seller's description…

Car runs & drive but it has a message on the dash board that says ESP , 
a/c & radio doesn’t work && the truck doesn’t stay close



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[MBZ] Another dead 211 cheap

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

OBO h...  Doesn't look bad except for the torn seat cushion

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2683319325229343

2006 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 350 Sedan 4D
$1,500
Vehicles 
Listed 14 hours ago in Myrtle Beach, SC 




 About This Vehicle…

Driven 164,000 miles
Automatic transmission
Exterior color: Green · Interior color: Grey
Fuel type: Gasoline
17.0 MPG city · 25.0 MPG highway · 20.0 MPG combined
Poor condition 


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   AM/FM Stereo
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DOES NOT RUN, we DO NOT know what's wrong with it. Must tow vehicle. 
Needs to go ASAP. $1500 OBO.



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Re: [MBZ] Case in point: How to lie with statistics

[MG via Mercedes]

If it says 'contains quinine' on the bottle then 
it should. If I remember right quinine fluoresces 
under UV light so you could hit it with your AC 
leak detector light and see what happens


MG.

Clay via Mercedes wrote:
So,  I should increase intake of Gin and Tonic?


I wonder if Schweppes still uses original recipe in their tonic

clay


On Mar 19, 2020, at 5:16 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes  
wrote:

If chloroquine does prove to be the magic bullet that controls the coronavirus 
epidemic, it will be a remarkable coincidence since the organism it has been 
killing for 70+ years; a protzoan; is completely unrelated to the virus that 
causes coronavirus infection. That's based on current knowledge, but there may 
be biochemical similarities that explain it. The protozoan is easily seen via a 
clinical microscope such as below:




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Re: [MBZ] OT: A contrarian view on COVID-19, plus good news - there's a CURE!

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Got this a few minutes ago, from a relative of an in-law who is an
infectious disease doc in Denver CO:

Notes from the field
I thought I would update my Facebook friends on a few things about
COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2 in our community. There is a lot of confusing
information out there.
1) First, I want to say that cases in our metro-Denver area are increasing,
but there is almost no testing available for people who are not sick enough
to be in the hospital, so the numbers in the news do not reflect reality.
There are likely thousands of cases around us of varying severity, and
numbers will continue to increase before it gets better. The timing depends
on how well we continue with “social distancing” and protecting our
community. I have been keeping up with the cases at the 2 hospitals that I
work in, and with cases in other local hospitals. While it is true that
most people with COVID-19 can “ride it out” at home, about 14% of adults
will have a severe disease leading to respiratory failure, kidney failure,
prolonged illness and even death. There are several patients in the
50-year-old range with illness like this locally and their chance of full
recovery is very unlikely. They do not have chronic health conditions. This
is not always a “mild illness” and does not only cause death in the
elderly. The good news is that we are not seeing many older patients in the
hospital, so it seems we are doing a good job of protecting our elderly
neighbors!
2) The lack of testing is a huge problem. Public Health has stopped testing
in our area because an outbreak has already been established and they are
limited in resources. ERs are no longer testing people who are not sick
enough to be admitted, because they are already so busy caring for patients
with this disease as well as influenza and pneumonia and other illness that
circulate at this time. Doctors' offices do not have the protective
equipment (PPE) to protect their staff when testing patients, and PPE is in
short supply across the country. The test kits are in low supply. Because
of this, there is no way to know who many are infected.
3) Hospitals are already stressed. Hospital docs, nurses, and other staff
are accustomed to stressful situations, but I can feel the anxiety around
me. The patients are sick, and it is taking too long (4-5 days) to get the
COVID test back. While medical workers typically are reasonable about
“germaphobia”, and while we are washing hands and using proper PPE when
caring for COVID-19 patients; we are touching keyboards, phones and
doorknobs that are touched by hundreds of people a day. The biggest source
of stress is that we know we don’t have enough PPE to deal with the
outbreak. We will run out of masks, gloves, etc., and then our patients may
not get the care they need, or healthcare workers might get sick. Things in
the hospital have changed. Exterior doors are locked, chairs in sitting
areas are gone, salad bars are gone… it feels a little apocalyptical, but
the changes are necessary. Docs who care for these patients (ER docs,
critical care docs, Pulmonologists, and infectious Disease docs) are
getting hundreds of emails daily. These are emails with case reports,
potential treatments, numbers of deaths and cases... There is no way to
keep up with them all, but we try to read them because we don’t want to
miss something important that might help our patients. Patients are calling
with many questions… a lot has changed. Don’t feel sorry for us though. We
signed up for this, and I think I speak for most hospital providers when I
say that we want to be doing what we do. I am so impressed by the medical
community around me. Everyone is invested in figuring out how to help
patients and in supporting each other.
4) With all this being said, I do not want to sound dismal. We are much
better equipped than Italy as we have more Critical Care beds and
ventilators, so the mortality will be much lower in the US. Denver truly
has some of the best doctors and nurses in the country, probably because
this is a great place to live! Whether it is due to herd immunity, or a
reprieve in summer, or new treatments (a vaccine will take a while); we
will get through this. This is not nearly as bad as measles, smallpox,
Spanish flu, etc. Past experience with those helps us know what to do.
Someday, we will reach a new normal

-
Max
Charleston SC


On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 9:59 AM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Karl writes:
>
> >Let's all hope the true prevalence of asymptomatic infection is much
> higher than suspected and that the case fatality rates are wild
> overestimates.
>
> Unfortunately, the only way to know that is if an antibody test is
> administered. To my knowledge none has been developed, or is in the process
> of being developed. Half the population could have had it already and
> recovered, and we will never know.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: A contrarian view on COVID-19, plus good news - there's a CURE!

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Karl writes:

>Let's all hope the true prevalence of asymptomatic infection is much higher 
>than suspected and that the case fatality rates are wild overestimates.

Unfortunately, the only way to know that is if an antibody test is 
administered. To my knowledge none has been developed, or is in the process of 
being developed. Half the population could have had it already and recovered, 
and we will never know. 

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Re: [MBZ] OT: A contrarian view on COVID-19, plus good news - there's a CURE!

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

The boy says they are trying to figure out telemedicine for his clinic at 
Stanford so they can do remote “visits.”  Challenging. He said it was starting 
to get pretty busy there. 

The local hospital doing testing is now triaging tests on patients due to lack 
of tests and materials and equipment. Yesterday there were only 30-40 cases in 
the state but supplies are already getting stretched. 

Interesting I have heard nothing at all about conditions south of the southern 
border. Canada has locked down their border but I haven’t seen anything about 
spread there. 

A guy I know in Peru posted pics of Cusco, normally a bustling city, now 
deserted streets, no one out and about. They seem to be taking it seriously. 
That’s good I guess. 

Stay safe y’all 

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Mar 20, 2020, at 12:00 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Every medical center treating these patients, including ours, is using
> hydroxychloroquine. It is an old and well known drug. Not a cure by any
> means. We hope it helps.
> 
> The epideliologic evidence is extremely poor quality; I will give him
> that.  But the lack of high quality evidence applies to his position also.
> 
> As is so often the case, this situation boils down to what to do in the
> absence of evidence. If everybody taking it easy for a week or three gives
> us some time to get better data, I am all for it. The testing is ramping up
> by the day and it will not be long until we have on demand testing for
> everyone at drive throughs. That will give us a clear picture of true case
> fatality and how contagious it is. Those numbers can then drive policy.
> 
> If he is wrong, we could be the next Italy. If the feds and states and
> cities are being overly cautious, things will be back to normal pretty
> soon.
> 
> Garcetti put everyone in lockdown tonight, and then Newsom did the same for
> the entire state of CA, or something like 37 million people. Interesting
> times.
> 
> Still waiting for the wave to break at work. We have a few cases, all
> elective surgery is cancelled, all staff who can telecommute are doing so,
> all meetings that can be done by phone are being done by phone. Lots of
> contingency planning because Italy has lots of healthcare workers out with
> infection. We remain very short of N95 masks. Not sure when that situation
> will improve. Trump approved all the industrial n95 masks for sale to
> hospitals, but I think many of them had already been hoarded by
> individuals. Basically you need a bunny suit, an N95 and a face shield to
> stay healthy if dealing with large numbers of infected patients.
> 
> I dont have a problem with doing simple things to slow this down while we
> get a better handle on it. Most of us believe it is out there multiplying,
> because that is what contagious viruses do. Even if distancing only gives
> us some time to get n95 masks to hospitals to protect doctors, nurses and
> other staff, it will have been worth doing.
> 
> The hospitalized are pretty every divided age group wise. Young people are
> dying in this thing. Not as often as old people, but often enough for
> everyone to think seriously about it on a personal level. Not too many
> contagious things put 20, 30, 40, 50 and 60 year olds in the hospital at
> similar rates. That is what is happening. Old people are recovering less,
> but lots of young people are being hospitalized with viral pneumonia.
> 
> Let's all hope the true prevalence of asymptomatic infection is much higher
> than suspected and that the case fatality rates are wild overestimates.
> 
> Karl
> 
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020, 1:43 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> First the good new: Cure?
>> 
>> 
>> https://nypost.com/2020/03/19/old-malaria-drug-hydroxychloroquine-may-help-cure-coronavirus-study/
>> 
>> Next the contrarian.
>> 
>> 
>> https://www.thecollegefix.com/stanford-epidemiologist-warns-that-coronavirus-crackdown-is-based-on-bad-data/
>> 
>> "A population-wide case fatality rate of 0.05% is lower than seasonal
>> influenza. If that is the true rate, locking down the world with
>> potentially tremendous social and financial consequences may be totally
>> irrational. It’s like an elephant being attacked by a house cat. Frustrated
>> and trying to avoid the cat, the elephant accidentally jumps off a cliff
>> and dies."
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Wuhan Flu: An Update from Mayo Clinic

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

The Mayo Clinic is incredibly racist for calling this the “Wuhan” flu  

--FT
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> On Mar 19, 2020, at 11:32 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Wuhan Flu (Wuhan coronavirus)

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Re: [MBZ] OT: A contrarian view on COVID-19, plus good news - there's a CURE!

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Seems to me that Dr. Reem is a fear mongerer.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 19, 2020, at 5:54 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> FWIW
> 
> I presume this is accurate, from a coupla days ago, tracks with I am told by 
> Dr. Boy,  YMMV:
> 
> Public
> From one of the doctors here at Brigham and Women’s Hospital, Dr. Julie 
> Silver and her friend Dr. Reem Ghalib. Please read the whole thing, it is an 
> important summary about COVID19, flattening the curve and what will happen if 
> we don’t take strict precautions now:
> Julie said —“It has been years since I have posted anything on this page. As 
> a physician at Harvard Medical School, I have amazing access to the best 
> information and resources for #Covid19 
> .
>  I know people are getting a lot of information, and not all of it is 
> accurate. My friend Dr. Reem Ghalib summarized the situation in one of the 
> best social media posts to date on this topic (copied/pasted below). Please 
> read what she has to say and share with your loved ones, friends, and 
> colleagues. Urge people to be calm and logical in their decision making. Err 
> on the side of caution. Re the info below--note that "coronavirus" is used 
> generically to mean the specific strain Covid 19. I will apologize in advance 
> for not responding to comments as work is very hectic right now:
> Dear Friends,
> So much confusion, misinformation and denial is bouncing around on social 
> media about the coronavirus that I thought I would try to explain, in plain 
> language, why the experts see this as such an emergency.
> You will see the claim online that this virus is a lot like the viruses that 
> cause colds, and that if you get it, it will probably just seem like a bad 
> cold and you are very unlikely to die. Depending on who you are, these 
> statements are probably true. But they are incomplete, and the missing 
> information is the key to understanding the problem.
> This is a coronavirus that is new to the human population, jumping into 
> people late last year from some kind of animal, probably at a wildlife market 
> in Wuhan, China. It is related to the viruses that cause colds, and acts a 
> lot like them in many ways. It is very easy to transmit through the 
> respiratory droplets that all of us give off. But nobody has ever been 
> exposed to this before, which means nobody has any immunity to it.
> The virus is now moving explosively through the human population. While most 
> people will recover, about 20 percent of the people who catch it will wind up 
> with a serious disease. They will get pneumonia that causes shortness of 
> breath, and they may need hospitalization.
> Some of those people will get so sick that they cannot be saved and will die 
> of the pneumonia. The overall death rate for people who develop symptoms 
> seems to be 2 or 3 percent. Once we have enough testing to find out how many 
> people caught the virus but did not develop symptoms, that might come down to 
> about 1 percent, optimistically.
> This is a large number. It is at least 10 times higher than the mortality 
> rate for the seasonal flu, for instance, which in some years kills 60,000 or 
> 70,000 Americans. So just on that math, we could be looking at 600,000 or 
> 700,000 dead in the United States. But it gets worse.
> Older people with existing health problems are much more vulnerable, on 
> average. The mortality rate of coronavirus among people over age 80 may be 15 
> or 20 percent. It appears to have 7 or 8 percent mortality for people aged 70 
> to 79. Here is the terrible part: If you are a healthy younger person, you 
> can catch the virus and, without developing serious symptoms yourself, you 
> can pass it along to older people. In other words, as the virus spreads, it 
> is going to be very easy to go out and catch it, give it to your grandmother 
> and kill her, even though you will not die yourself. You can catch it by 
> touching a door knob or an elevator button.
> Scientists measure the spread of an epidemic by a number called R0, or “R 
> naught.” That number is calculated this way: for every person who develops 
> the illness, how many other people do they give it to before they are cured 
> (or dead) and no longer infectious? The R0 for coronavirus, in the absence of 
> a control strategy, appears to be a number close to 3 – maybe a bit higher or 
> lower, but in that ballpark. This is an extremely frightening number for such 
> a deadly disease.
> Suppose you catch the virus. You will give it to 3 other people, and they 
> will each give it to three others, and so forth. Here is how the math works, 
> where you, the “index case,” are the first line:
> 1
> 3
> 9
> 27
> 81
> 243
> 729
> 2,187
> 6,561
> 19,683
> 59,0

Re: [MBZ] OT: A contrarian view on COVID-19, plus good news - there's a CURE!

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Thanks for reporting in, Karl. You can’t imagine how comforting it is to hear 
unbiased observations from a professional on the front lines, good news or bad.

-D

> On Mar 19, 2020, at 11:59 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Every medical center treating these patients, including ours, is using
> hydroxychloroquine. It is an old and well known drug. Not a cure by any
> means. We hope it helps.
> 
> The epideliologic evidence is extremely poor quality; I will give him
> that.  But the lack of high quality evidence applies to his position also.
> 
> As is so often the case, this situation boils down to what to do in the
> absence of evidence. If everybody taking it easy for a week or three gives
> us some time to get better data, I am all for it. The testing is ramping up
> by the day and it will not be long until we have on demand testing for
> everyone at drive throughs. That will give us a clear picture of true case
> fatality and how contagious it is. Those numbers can then drive policy.
> 
> If he is wrong, we could be the next Italy. If the feds and states and
> cities are being overly cautious, things will be back to normal pretty
> soon.
> 
> Garcetti put everyone in lockdown tonight, and then Newsom did the same for
> the entire state of CA, or something like 37 million people. Interesting
> times.
> 
> Still waiting for the wave to break at work. We have a few cases, all
> elective surgery is cancelled, all staff who can telecommute are doing so,
> all meetings that can be done by phone are being done by phone. Lots of
> contingency planning because Italy has lots of healthcare workers out with
> infection. We remain very short of N95 masks. Not sure when that situation
> will improve. Trump approved all the industrial n95 masks for sale to
> hospitals, but I think many of them had already been hoarded by
> individuals. Basically you need a bunny suit, an N95 and a face shield to
> stay healthy if dealing with large numbers of infected patients.
> 
> I dont have a problem with doing simple things to slow this down while we
> get a better handle on it. Most of us believe it is out there multiplying,
> because that is what contagious viruses do. Even if distancing only gives
> us some time to get n95 masks to hospitals to protect doctors, nurses and
> other staff, it will have been worth doing.
> 
> The hospitalized are pretty every divided age group wise. Young people are
> dying in this thing. Not as often as old people, but often enough for
> everyone to think seriously about it on a personal level. Not too many
> contagious things put 20, 30, 40, 50 and 60 year olds in the hospital at
> similar rates. That is what is happening. Old people are recovering less,
> but lots of young people are being hospitalized with viral pneumonia.
> 
> Let's all hope the true prevalence of asymptomatic infection is much higher
> than suspected and that the case fatality rates are wild overestimates.
> 
> Karl
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020, 1:43 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> First the good new: Cure?
>> 
>> 
>> https://nypost.com/2020/03/19/old-malaria-drug-hydroxychloroquine-may-help-cure-coronavirus-study/
>> 
>> Next the contrarian.
>> 
>> 
>> https://www.thecollegefix.com/stanford-epidemiologist-warns-that-coronavirus-crackdown-is-based-on-bad-data/
>> 
>> "A population-wide case fatality rate of 0.05% is lower than seasonal
>> influenza. If that is the true rate, locking down the world with
>> potentially tremendous social and financial consequences may be totally
>> irrational. It’s like an elephant being attacked by a house cat. Frustrated
>> and trying to avoid the cat, the elephant accidentally jumps off a cliff
>> and dies."
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
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