Re: [MBZ] 2006 E320 CDI

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I will probably do that since there is no warranty...

On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 8:37 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> You should take it to an indy mechanic for a pre-buy inspection - see if he
> finds the same things the dealer is telling you about.
>
> On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 7:27 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Wow, the 2006 CDI for $4K looks like a steal.  Thanks!
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 5:11 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Not sure how far afield Andrew wants to go, but here are a couple of
> > > possibilites
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/d/louisville-2006-mercedes-miles-diesel/7217548994.html
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://lexington.craigslist.org/cto/d/somerset-2005-mercedes-diesel-e320-cdi/7218894748.html
> > >
> > >
> > > Mitch Haley via Mercedes  writes:
> > >
> > > > I have reservations about dealers who put up cars for sale with
> > > > unresolved CELs, but maybe I'm just an old fogy.
> > > > Mitch.
> > > >
> > > > On 2020-11-05 16:31, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> > > >> If you ask me, a CEL that is unresolved plus the neglected
> suspension
> > > >> work indicates a neglectful prior owner. I would expect additional
> > > >> undiscovered problems related to lack of maintenance.
> > > >
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Re: [MBZ] 2006 E320 CDI

[OK Don via Mercedes]

You should take it to an indy mechanic for a pre-buy inspection - see if he
finds the same things the dealer is telling you about.

On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 7:27 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Wow, the 2006 CDI for $4K looks like a steal.  Thanks!
>
> On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 5:11 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Not sure how far afield Andrew wants to go, but here are a couple of
> > possibilites
> >
> >
> >
> https://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/d/louisville-2006-mercedes-miles-diesel/7217548994.html
> >
> >
> >
> https://lexington.craigslist.org/cto/d/somerset-2005-mercedes-diesel-e320-cdi/7218894748.html
> >
> >
> > Mitch Haley via Mercedes  writes:
> >
> > > I have reservations about dealers who put up cars for sale with
> > > unresolved CELs, but maybe I'm just an old fogy.
> > > Mitch.
> > >
> > > On 2020-11-05 16:31, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> > >> If you ask me, a CEL that is unresolved plus the neglected suspension
> > >> work indicates a neglectful prior owner. I would expect additional
> > >> undiscovered problems related to lack of maintenance.
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] Foggy Headlights

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Spar varnish does block UV for about a year, maybe two if you're lucky. The
marine guys I know repaint every year.

On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 3:59 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
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> I do believe some vanishes block UV.
> Mitch
>
> On 2020-11-05 16:36, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> > Thanks!
> >
> > I have read about people doing roughly the same thing, but using
> > several
> > coats of thinned urethane spar varnish instead of film for the final
> > protective coating. IDK if this is any better than the clear coat you
> > used though.
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Re: [MBZ] 2006 E320 CDI

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

We really like the rear view camera in the 2014 GLK 250.  Does anyone know
whether the sedans were so equipped, and if so, starting in which model
year?

On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 8:26 PM Andrew Strasfogel 
wrote:

> Wow, the 2006 CDI for $4K looks like a steal.  Thanks!
>
> On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 5:11 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Not sure how far afield Andrew wants to go, but here are a couple of
>> possibilites
>>
>>
>> https://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/d/louisville-2006-mercedes-miles-diesel/7217548994.html
>>
>>
>> https://lexington.craigslist.org/cto/d/somerset-2005-mercedes-diesel-e320-cdi/7218894748.html
>>
>>
>> Mitch Haley via Mercedes  writes:
>>
>> > I have reservations about dealers who put up cars for sale with
>> > unresolved CELs, but maybe I'm just an old fogy.
>> > Mitch.
>> >
>> > On 2020-11-05 16:31, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>> >> If you ask me, a CEL that is unresolved plus the neglected suspension
>> >> work indicates a neglectful prior owner. I would expect additional
>> >> undiscovered problems related to lack of maintenance.
>> >
>> >
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Re: [MBZ] 2006 E320 CDI

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Wow, the 2006 CDI for $4K looks like a steal.  Thanks!

On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 5:11 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Not sure how far afield Andrew wants to go, but here are a couple of
> possibilites
>
>
> https://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/d/louisville-2006-mercedes-miles-diesel/7217548994.html
>
>
> https://lexington.craigslist.org/cto/d/somerset-2005-mercedes-diesel-e320-cdi/7218894748.html
>
>
> Mitch Haley via Mercedes  writes:
>
> > I have reservations about dealers who put up cars for sale with
> > unresolved CELs, but maybe I'm just an old fogy.
> > Mitch.
> >
> > On 2020-11-05 16:31, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> >> If you ask me, a CEL that is unresolved plus the neglected suspension
> >> work indicates a neglectful prior owner. I would expect additional
> >> undiscovered problems related to lack of maintenance.
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] antifreeze testers

[tyee165 via Mercedes]

My guess would be that it was gas line antifreeze- methyl hydrate - and they 
assumed it to be vodkaSent from my Galaxy Tab® A
 Original message From: Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
 Date: 2020-11-05  16:40  (GMT-06:00) To: Mercedes 
Discussion List  Cc: mi...@mitchellhaley.com Subject: 
Re: [MBZ] antifreeze testers On 2020-11-05 17:34, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
wrote:> Not recommended. Though my dad once told me about the transmission guy> 
he knew who diagnosed problems by tasting the transmission fluid.Friend of mine 
worked summers at a beach when he was young.One night a HS swimmer stole a 
whiskey bottle full of antifreeze out of dad's garage shelves, took it to a 
team party at the beach.My friend got to ride in an ambulance with one of the 
kids that didn't make it. Not a fond memory of 
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Re: [MBZ] antifreeze testers

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

That too. Have to be careful as dogs love to taste antifreeze

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Thu, Nov 5, 2020, 5:29 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I looked at that and saw "tasters"
>
> --FT
>
> On 11/4/20 6:56 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> > I need to test antifreeze before it gets really cold. I have a suspicion
> > that a batch got over-diluted.
> >
> > I've used the specific gravity type float testers and found them hard to
> > read.
> >
> > There's a "refractor" type that I had not seen before. Example
> > linked. Anyone used something like this?
> >
> >
> https://www.amazon.com/Gain-Express-Automotive-Refractometer-Antifreeze/dp/B07FQRZSVK
> >
> > Allan
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Re: [MBZ] antifreeze testers

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Mitch Haley via Mercedes  writes:

> Friend of mine worked summers at a beach when he was young.
> One night a HS swimmer stole a whiskey bottle full of antifreeze out of 
> dad's garage shelves, took it to a team party at the beach.
> My friend got to ride in an ambulance with one of the kids that didn't 
> make it. Not a fond memory of his.

That's awful. Good lesson to never reuse food or beverage containers for
toxic stuff.

The opposite rule is in laboratories, never use lab glassware as drink
cups or for cooking food. Though in the chemistry dept here where my
parents worked, they used to make coffee in a big pyrex flask. Certainly
not permitted today.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Ran good until recently it wont turn over cranks and will turn with starting fluid

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On 2020-11-05 17:39, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

He said the pics were "stock photo" not of the actual car.

My daily CL search is a 200 mile radius. If I get really serious
(something specific in mind) I will look more south.

Right now it's mostly for fun. Is there a limit on how far CL will
search? Seems like if I put in 400 miles it doesn't find any more.


I don't know about long radius searches, but the ones I do on my local 
CL add nearby results until I get 100 hits.
So I suspect once you hit 100 ads, increasing your radius won't add 
more.


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Re: [MBZ] antifreeze testers

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On 2020-11-05 17:34, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

Not recommended. Though my dad once told me about the transmission guy
he knew who diagnosed problems by tasting the transmission fluid.


Friend of mine worked summers at a beach when he was young.
One night a HS swimmer stole a whiskey bottle full of antifreeze out of 
dad's garage shelves, took it to a team party at the beach.
My friend got to ride in an ambulance with one of the kids that didn't 
make it. Not a fond memory of his.


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Re: [MBZ] Ran good until recently it wont turn over cranks and will turn with starting fluid

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

He said the pics were "stock photo" not of the actual car.

My daily CL search is a 200 mile radius. If I get really serious
(something specific in mind) I will look more south.

Right now it's mostly for fun. Is there a limit on how far CL will
search? Seems like if I put in 400 miles it doesn't find any more.

Allan

Rick Knoble via Mercedes  writes:

> I saw that. If I didn't have a full plate I would be all over that. There are 
> pictures
>
> Just curious, why aren't you looking outside of the rust belt for cars?  
> Nashville, TN would be about the same distance from you as Northern 
> Chicagoland.
>
> Rick
>
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: November 5, 2020 4:23 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: astr...@indiana.edu
> Subject: [MBZ] Ran good until recently it wont turn over cranks and will turn 
> with starting fluid
>
> No pics either
>
> https://chicago.craigslist.org/nch/cto/d/chicago-1996-mercedes-e300d-diesel/7225669013.html
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Re: [MBZ] antifreeze testers

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Not recommended. Though my dad once told me about the transmission guy
he knew who diagnosed problems by tasting the transmission fluid.

Allan

Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  writes:

> I looked at that and saw "tasters"
>
> --FT
>
> On 11/4/20 6:56 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>> I need to test antifreeze before it gets really cold. I have a suspicion
>> that a batch got over-diluted.
>>
>> I've used the specific gravity type float testers and found them hard to
>> read.
>>
>> There's a "refractor" type that I had not seen before. Example
>> linked. Anyone used something like this?
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/Gain-Express-Automotive-Refractometer-Antifreeze/dp/B07FQRZSVK
>>
>> Allan

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Re: [MBZ] antifreeze testers

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I looked at that and saw "tasters"

--FT

On 11/4/20 6:56 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

I need to test antifreeze before it gets really cold. I have a suspicion
that a batch got over-diluted.

I've used the specific gravity type float testers and found them hard to
read.

There's a "refractor" type that I had not seen before. Example
linked. Anyone used something like this?

https://www.amazon.com/Gain-Express-Automotive-Refractometer-Antifreeze/dp/B07FQRZSVK

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Ran good until recently it wont turn over cranks and will turn with starting fluid

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

'it wont turn over cranks and will turn with starting fluid'

IOW the glow plugs aren't glowing and won't light off so I squirt in 
some ether to blow it up


$300

-_FT

On 11/5/20 5:23 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

No pics either

https://chicago.craigslist.org/nch/cto/d/chicago-1996-mercedes-e300d-diesel/7225669013.html

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Re: [MBZ] Ran good until recently it wont turn over cranks and will turn with starting fluid

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Ran good until prechambers damaged by ether.

Mitch

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[MBZ] Ran good until recently it wont turn over cranks and will turn with starting fluid

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

No pics either

https://chicago.craigslist.org/nch/cto/d/chicago-1996-mercedes-e300d-diesel/7225669013.html

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Re: [MBZ] unimog... why get rid of the useful accessories though...

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I appreciate his honesty.
I don't think I would have had the guts to say "Low miles but worked 
hard as an excavator. Truck chassis is left over from lucrative sale of 
backhoe"


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[MBZ] unimog... why get rid of the useful accessories though...

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

https://cincinnati.craigslist.org/cto/d/mason-unimog/7225832327.html

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Re: [MBZ] 2006 E320 CDI

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Not sure how far afield Andrew wants to go, but here are a couple of
possibilites

https://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/d/louisville-2006-mercedes-miles-diesel/7217548994.html

https://lexington.craigslist.org/cto/d/somerset-2005-mercedes-diesel-e320-cdi/7218894748.html


Mitch Haley via Mercedes  writes:

> I have reservations about dealers who put up cars for sale with 
> unresolved CELs, but maybe I'm just an old fogy.
> Mitch.
>
> On 2020-11-05 16:31, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
>> If you ask me, a CEL that is unresolved plus the neglected suspension
>> work indicates a neglectful prior owner. I would expect additional
>> undiscovered problems related to lack of maintenance.
>
>

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Re: [MBZ] 2006 E320 CDI

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I agree, fix it before you offer it for sale...
-Curt

On Thursday, November 5, 2020, 5:01:05 PM EST, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I have reservations about dealers who put up cars for sale with 
unresolved CELs, but maybe I'm just an old fogy.
Mitch.

On 2020-11-05 16:31, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> If you ask me, a CEL that is unresolved plus the neglected suspension
> work indicates a neglectful prior owner. I would expect additional
> undiscovered problems related to lack of maintenance.


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Re: [MBZ] 2006 E320 CDI

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Does she drive enough to make a diesel worth it? If she makes mostly short 
trips around town the extra expense of a diesel makes no sense. I prefer a 
diesel but I kind of feel bad for my TDI right now, it makes mostly short trips.

-Curt

On Thursday, November 5, 2020, 4:26:48 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via 
Mercedes  wrote:  
 
 Diesel CDIs/bluetec sedans or small SUVs are very scarce to find in this
area.

On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 4:17 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Find a better example, or double the estimate for repairs and deduct
> from the asking price.
>
> Does not seem to me that it should be impossible to find a nice E320 of
> that vintage that doesn't need any immediate work.
>
> Allan
>
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:
>
> > I test drove this car today as a potential replacement for SWMBO's Frod.
> > Very clean and handled just fine, with plenty of pep.  the 5 speed AT
> > shifted smoothly.  Here are the potential issues:
> >
> > 1. Unresolved CEL that selling dealer says they will take care of
> > 2. Needs: rear shocks, rear control arm and LF ball point in order to
> pass inspection (approx. $1650 cost).
> > 3. High mileage (188K) but the interior doesn't show much wear.  Clean
> carfax report.
> > 4. Rear cup holder (middle of rear bench) won't retract and stay closed.
> >
> > Any caveats?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > rear shocks,a rear control arm, and the left front ball joint replaced
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Re: [MBZ] 2006 E320 CDI

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

NO HAGGLE & STRESS FREE

On 11/5/20 5:00 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
I have reservations about dealers who put up cars for sale with 
unresolved CELs, but maybe I'm just an old fogy.

Mitch.

On 2020-11-05 16:31, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

If you ask me, a CEL that is unresolved plus the neglected suspension
work indicates a neglectful prior owner. I would expect additional
undiscovered problems related to lack of maintenance.



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Re: [MBZ] 2006 E320 CDI

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Its 14 years old, I don't consider 188,000 to be high miles. Thats 13,428 per 
year. Maybe on the high side of normal. Aren't leases usually based on 10,000 a 
year?
You've got to ask yourself if the car is worth the selling price plus the work 
that needs to be done. I don't see anything there I couldn't do myself at 
considerably discounted cost although I'd want to check on the price of the 
control arm.

-Curt

On Thursday, November 5, 2020, 4:14:45 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via 
Mercedes  wrote:  
 
 With 188K miles I doubt it is susceptible to "black death".

On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 4:13 PM Andrew Strasfogel 
wrote:

>
> https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/820715960/overview/?aff=acqem103=acqem103_source=Iterable_medium=email_campaign=campaign_ThankYou_InventoryLead=20200407112404
>
> On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 4:07 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Link?  Is the stealer discounting it $1650 for the work needed? Has
>> someone scanned it to find out what the CEL is about?  Make sure they
>> don't just remove the bulb...
>>
>> Do these engines have the Black Death (Dan would know)?
>>
>> --FT
>>
>> On 11/5/20 3:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> > I test drove this car today as a potential replacement for SWMBO's Frod.
>> > Very clean and handled just fine, with plenty of pep.  the 5 speed AT
>> > shifted smoothly.  Here are the potential issues:
>> >
>> > 1. Unresolved CEL that selling dealer says they will take care of
>> > 2. Needs: rear shocks, rear control arm and LF ball point in order to
>> pass
>> > inspection (approx. $1650 cost).
>> > 3. High mileage (188K) but the interior doesn't show much wear.  Clean
>> > carfax report.
>> > 4. Rear cup holder (middle of rear bench) won't retract and stay closed.
>> >
>> > Any caveats?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > rear shocks,a rear control arm, and the left front ball joint replaced
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Re: [MBZ] 2006 E320 CDI

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I have reservations about dealers who put up cars for sale with 
unresolved CELs, but maybe I'm just an old fogy.

Mitch.

On 2020-11-05 16:31, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

If you ask me, a CEL that is unresolved plus the neglected suspension
work indicates a neglectful prior owner. I would expect additional
undiscovered problems related to lack of maintenance.



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Re: [MBZ] Foggy Headlights

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I do believe some vanishes block UV.
Mitch

On 2020-11-05 16:36, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

Thanks!

I have read about people doing roughly the same thing, but using 
several

coats of thinned urethane spar varnish instead of film for the final
protective coating. IDK if this is any better than the clear coat you
used though.



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Re: [MBZ] Foggy Headlights

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Thanks!

I have read about people doing roughly the same thing, but using several
coats of thinned urethane spar varnish instead of film for the final
protective coating. IDK if this is any better than the clear coat you
used though.

I wish automakers would just use glass for the headlights. The few
pounds of extra weight would be worth it in long-term satisfaction, I
think.

Allan


ned kleinhenz via Mercedes  writes:

> I remember a recent thread about correcting foggy headlight lenses.  I have
> some recent experience to share.   Last spring I had two 2006 model year
> cars with headlights that had yellowing, becoming brown lenses.  One car is
> a Sienna minivan and the other is an E320 CDI.
>
>
>
> About 7 months ago I restored the Sienna lenses using a Sylvania Headlight
> Restoration Kit.  This kit uses three successive wet sand paper steps
> followed by hand polishing.  The polished lens is finally sealed with a UV
> block clear coat.   The procedure was fairly quick and easy and the results
> looked very good.  But after about 6 months the lenses started fogging and
> they are now decaying quickly.
>
>
>
> About 5 months ago I restored the Mercedes lenses using an approach
> recommended by my brother who used it on his older Lexus about six years
> ago.  My brother reports that his Lexus lenses have remained clear since
> using this procedure.  The procedure involves wet sanding by hand using
> grits starting at 400 or 800 and then 1000 or 1500 and finally 2000 or
> 3000.   Then, using a small electric drill polishing pad, polish the lenses
> using rubbing compound.  Then using the same drill and pad polish each lens
> again using “mirror finishing polish” compound.  Finally, protect the
> lenses by covering them with XPEL Protective Film.
>
>
>
> XPEL makes films already cut to exact size for some headlights like my
> Mercedes.  Otherwise, XPEL can be bought in sheets at various sizes and
> thicknesses that can be applied and then trimmed with a razor to the exact
> size of the lens.   I was bothered that XPEL does not identify any UV
> resistance characteristic in their product descriptions.  But the product
> must be UV resistant because my Mercedes headlights have not decayed in 5
> months.  And my brother has not replaced the film on his headlights in 6
> years and his lenses remain clear.
>
>
> Ned

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Re: [MBZ] 2006 E320 CDI

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Thanks,  I guess I could ask for the scanner report on the CEL analysis to
make sure they don't simply reset the indicator light.

On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 4:32 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> If you ask me, a CEL that is unresolved plus the neglected suspension
> work indicates a neglectful prior owner. I would expect additional
> undiscovered problems related to lack of maintenance.
>
> Allan
>
>
> Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  writes:
>
> > Link?  Is the stealer discounting it $1650 for the work needed? Has
> > someone scanned it to find out what the CEL is about?  Make sure they
> > don't just remove the bulb...
> >
> > Do these engines have the Black Death (Dan would know)?
> >
> > --FT
> >
> > On 11/5/20 3:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> >> I test drove this car today as a potential replacement for SWMBO's Frod.
> >> Very clean and handled just fine, with plenty of pep.  the 5 speed AT
> >> shifted smoothly.  Here are the potential issues:
> >>
> >> 1. Unresolved CEL that selling dealer says they will take care of
> >> 2. Needs: rear shocks, rear control arm and LF ball point in order to
> pass
> >> inspection (approx. $1650 cost).
> >> 3. High mileage (188K) but the interior doesn't show much wear.  Clean
> >> carfax report.
> >> 4. Rear cup holder (middle of rear bench) won't retract and stay closed.
> >>
> >> Any caveats?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> rear shocks,a rear control arm, and the left front ball joint replaced
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Re: [MBZ] 2006 E320 CDI

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Up to and including the "black death".


Rick

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 2006 E320 CDI

If you ask me, a CEL that is unresolved plus the neglected suspension
work indicates a neglectful prior owner. I would expect additional
undiscovered problems related to lack of maintenance.

Allan


Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  writes:

> Link?  Is the stealer discounting it $1650 for the work needed? Has
> someone scanned it to find out what the CEL is about?  Make sure they
> don't just remove the bulb...
>
> Do these engines have the Black Death (Dan would know)?
>
> --FT
>
> On 11/5/20 3:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> I test drove this car today as a potential replacement for SWMBO's Frod.
>> Very clean and handled just fine, with plenty of pep.  the 5 speed AT
>> shifted smoothly.  Here are the potential issues:
>>
>> 1. Unresolved CEL that selling dealer says they will take care of
>> 2. Needs: rear shocks, rear control arm and LF ball point in order to pass
>> inspection (approx. $1650 cost).
>> 3. High mileage (188K) but the interior doesn't show much wear.  Clean
>> carfax report.
>> 4. Rear cup holder (middle of rear bench) won't retract and stay closed.
>>
>> Any caveats?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> rear shocks,a rear control arm, and the left front ball joint replaced
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Re: [MBZ] 2006 E320 CDI

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

If you ask me, a CEL that is unresolved plus the neglected suspension
work indicates a neglectful prior owner. I would expect additional
undiscovered problems related to lack of maintenance.

Allan


Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  writes:

> Link?  Is the stealer discounting it $1650 for the work needed? Has 
> someone scanned it to find out what the CEL is about?  Make sure they 
> don't just remove the bulb...
>
> Do these engines have the Black Death (Dan would know)?
>
> --FT
>
> On 11/5/20 3:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> I test drove this car today as a potential replacement for SWMBO's Frod.
>> Very clean and handled just fine, with plenty of pep.  the 5 speed AT
>> shifted smoothly.  Here are the potential issues:
>>
>> 1. Unresolved CEL that selling dealer says they will take care of
>> 2. Needs: rear shocks, rear control arm and LF ball point in order to pass
>> inspection (approx. $1650 cost).
>> 3. High mileage (188K) but the interior doesn't show much wear.  Clean
>> carfax report.
>> 4. Rear cup holder (middle of rear bench) won't retract and stay closed.
>>
>> Any caveats?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> rear shocks,a rear control arm, and the left front ball joint replaced
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Re: [MBZ] 2006 E320 CDI

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Diesel CDIs/bluetec sedans or small SUVs are very scarce to find in this
area.

On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 4:17 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Find a better example, or double the estimate for repairs and deduct
> from the asking price.
>
> Does not seem to me that it should be impossible to find a nice E320 of
> that vintage that doesn't need any immediate work.
>
> Allan
>
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:
>
> > I test drove this car today as a potential replacement for SWMBO's Frod.
> > Very clean and handled just fine, with plenty of pep.  the 5 speed AT
> > shifted smoothly.  Here are the potential issues:
> >
> > 1. Unresolved CEL that selling dealer says they will take care of
> > 2. Needs: rear shocks, rear control arm and LF ball point in order to
> pass inspection (approx. $1650 cost).
> > 3. High mileage (188K) but the interior doesn't show much wear.  Clean
> carfax report.
> > 4. Rear cup holder (middle of rear bench) won't retract and stay closed.
> >
> > Any caveats?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > rear shocks,a rear control arm, and the left front ball joint replaced
>
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Re: [MBZ] 2006 E320 CDI

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Find a better example, or double the estimate for repairs and deduct
from the asking price.

Does not seem to me that it should be impossible to find a nice E320 of
that vintage that doesn't need any immediate work.

Allan

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:

> I test drove this car today as a potential replacement for SWMBO's Frod.
> Very clean and handled just fine, with plenty of pep.  the 5 speed AT
> shifted smoothly.  Here are the potential issues:
>
> 1. Unresolved CEL that selling dealer says they will take care of
> 2. Needs: rear shocks, rear control arm and LF ball point in order to pass 
> inspection (approx. $1650 cost).
> 3. High mileage (188K) but the interior doesn't show much wear.  Clean carfax 
> report.
> 4. Rear cup holder (middle of rear bench) won't retract and stay closed.
>
> Any caveats?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> rear shocks,a rear control arm, and the left front ball joint replaced

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Re: [MBZ] 2006 E320 CDI

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

With 188K miles I doubt it is susceptible to "black death".

On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 4:13 PM Andrew Strasfogel 
wrote:

>
> https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/820715960/overview/?aff=acqem103=acqem103_source=Iterable_medium=email_campaign=campaign_ThankYou_InventoryLead=20200407112404
>
> On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 4:07 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Link?  Is the stealer discounting it $1650 for the work needed? Has
>> someone scanned it to find out what the CEL is about?  Make sure they
>> don't just remove the bulb...
>>
>> Do these engines have the Black Death (Dan would know)?
>>
>> --FT
>>
>> On 11/5/20 3:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> > I test drove this car today as a potential replacement for SWMBO's Frod.
>> > Very clean and handled just fine, with plenty of pep.  the 5 speed AT
>> > shifted smoothly.  Here are the potential issues:
>> >
>> > 1. Unresolved CEL that selling dealer says they will take care of
>> > 2. Needs: rear shocks, rear control arm and LF ball point in order to
>> pass
>> > inspection (approx. $1650 cost).
>> > 3. High mileage (188K) but the interior doesn't show much wear.  Clean
>> > carfax report.
>> > 4. Rear cup holder (middle of rear bench) won't retract and stay closed.
>> >
>> > Any caveats?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > rear shocks,a rear control arm, and the left front ball joint replaced
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Re: [MBZ] 2006 E320 CDI

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On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 4:07 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Link?  Is the stealer discounting it $1650 for the work needed? Has
> someone scanned it to find out what the CEL is about?  Make sure they
> don't just remove the bulb...
>
> Do these engines have the Black Death (Dan would know)?
>
> --FT
>
> On 11/5/20 3:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > I test drove this car today as a potential replacement for SWMBO's Frod.
> > Very clean and handled just fine, with plenty of pep.  the 5 speed AT
> > shifted smoothly.  Here are the potential issues:
> >
> > 1. Unresolved CEL that selling dealer says they will take care of
> > 2. Needs: rear shocks, rear control arm and LF ball point in order to
> pass
> > inspection (approx. $1650 cost).
> > 3. High mileage (188K) but the interior doesn't show much wear.  Clean
> > carfax report.
> > 4. Rear cup holder (middle of rear bench) won't retract and stay closed.
> >
> > Any caveats?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > rear shocks,a rear control arm, and the left front ball joint replaced
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Re: [MBZ] 2006 E320 CDI

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Link?  Is the stealer discounting it $1650 for the work needed? Has 
someone scanned it to find out what the CEL is about?  Make sure they 
don't just remove the bulb...


Do these engines have the Black Death (Dan would know)?

--FT

On 11/5/20 3:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

I test drove this car today as a potential replacement for SWMBO's Frod.
Very clean and handled just fine, with plenty of pep.  the 5 speed AT
shifted smoothly.  Here are the potential issues:

1. Unresolved CEL that selling dealer says they will take care of
2. Needs: rear shocks, rear control arm and LF ball point in order to pass
inspection (approx. $1650 cost).
3. High mileage (188K) but the interior doesn't show much wear.  Clean
carfax report.
4. Rear cup holder (middle of rear bench) won't retract and stay closed.

Any caveats?






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[MBZ] Foggy Headlights

[ned kleinhenz via Mercedes]

I remember a recent thread about correcting foggy headlight lenses.  I have
some recent experience to share.   Last spring I had two 2006 model year
cars with headlights that had yellowing, becoming brown lenses.  One car is
a Sienna minivan and the other is an E320 CDI.



About 7 months ago I restored the Sienna lenses using a Sylvania Headlight
Restoration Kit.  This kit uses three successive wet sand paper steps
followed by hand polishing.  The polished lens is finally sealed with a UV
block clear coat.   The procedure was fairly quick and easy and the results
looked very good.  But after about 6 months the lenses started fogging and
they are now decaying quickly.



About 5 months ago I restored the Mercedes lenses using an approach
recommended by my brother who used it on his older Lexus about six years
ago.  My brother reports that his Lexus lenses have remained clear since
using this procedure.  The procedure involves wet sanding by hand using
grits starting at 400 or 800 and then 1000 or 1500 and finally 2000 or
3000.   Then, using a small electric drill polishing pad, polish the lenses
using rubbing compound.  Then using the same drill and pad polish each lens
again using “mirror finishing polish” compound.  Finally, protect the
lenses by covering them with XPEL Protective Film.



XPEL makes films already cut to exact size for some headlights like my
Mercedes.  Otherwise, XPEL can be bought in sheets at various sizes and
thicknesses that can be applied and then trimmed with a razor to the exact
size of the lens.   I was bothered that XPEL does not identify any UV
resistance characteristic in their product descriptions.  But the product
must be UV resistant because my Mercedes headlights have not decayed in 5
months.  And my brother has not replaced the film on his headlights in 6
years and his lenses remain clear.


Ned
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[MBZ] 2006 E320 CDI

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I test drove this car today as a potential replacement for SWMBO's Frod.
Very clean and handled just fine, with plenty of pep.  the 5 speed AT
shifted smoothly.  Here are the potential issues:

1. Unresolved CEL that selling dealer says they will take care of
2. Needs: rear shocks, rear control arm and LF ball point in order to pass
inspection (approx. $1650 cost).
3. High mileage (188K) but the interior doesn't show much wear.  Clean
carfax report.
4. Rear cup holder (middle of rear bench) won't retract and stay closed.

Any caveats?






rear shocks,a rear control arm, and the left front ball joint replaced
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[MBZ] IN 02 ML320 for sale $1800

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

   Reasonable price it seems though I would look carefully at the
   rust. Could be a good winter beater though

   Alex Ulrich-Wahl
   

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**3h**r**s** 
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Thinking about putting my 02 ML320 up for sale just to thin the herd a 
bit. Haven’t really thought about a price but $1800 seems to be a good 
starting point. Just seeing what people think and seeing if I’m in the 
right ballpark or not. Located in South Bend IN, USA

2002 ML320
212k miles
VIN- 4JGAB54E12A326836
Sport package
Memory package
Factory Bi-Xenon’s
2 keys- 1 functioning remote and 1 Mickey Mouse key
New Verdestein tires with less than 1000 miles on them
New plugs, couple of coil packs replaced
Aftermarket radio with Bluetooth has been wired in and all speakers 
replaced, along with wiring for a amp/subwoofer if need be.

Newer xenon ballasts and bulbs
AC works, Heated seats work, windows work.
The car is far from perfect. It has little places of rust starting, 
probably needs breathers resealed, couple of the small trim pieces for 
the front bumper need to be sourced (headlamp washer cover, and fog 
light trim ring), small crack in front bumper. Recently got louder, 
sounds like a catalytic converter split, no CEL though yet.
Runs and drives great, just have way too many cars and thought about 
keeping this through the winter but probably should just pick up snow 
tires for another car.
Let me know thoughts and if anyone has any interest. Would rather it go 
to someone who knows about the W163.


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Re: [MBZ] Hoovie's G55 Hooptie

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

There was some discussion about the engine in the previous vid, 
apparently the 55s are installed canted at an angle for clearances on 
steering shaft or something, seems to be that way in various vehicles.


-_FT

On 11/5/20 10:55 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
Holy crap, your torque converter bolts aren't even finger tight. I can 
tighten them by hand...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=me1Vi1aoDVM

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Re: [MBZ] OT Case 150 steam tractor

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Yeah I noticed that, I guess they had all signed their waivers...

--FT

On 11/5/20 10:37 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:


Dyno run was cool.
Belt was incredibly long.
As he starts the dyno run, somebody standing next to the tractor puts 
a 3 year old on his shoulders, to make sure the kid's in good position 
for decapitation. There's no guarantee a broken belt is going to 
remain in the plane of the pulleys.


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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 1964 MERCEDES 190D

[G Mann via Mercedes]

All that happened before the EPA, so it wasn't deadly then. No government
specialist came to tell you that you were going to die from it, so you
didn't.
After all, you drove to work in the body shop to spread lead all day in a
car without seat belts, right?

Safe, because you survived WW2 and came back to go to work, raise a family,
and die of old age at 65, In your bedroom painted with lead paint.

On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 9:50 AM OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> What about all those who soldered the pont-to-point wired chassis for
> radios and TVs back in the day when they all glowed in the dark? I know I
> did my share with Heath Kits, an HH Scott amp, and my home brewed ham radio
> transmitter and amp.
>
> On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 8:23 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Hatters were mercury, but any heavy metal poisoning is Not Good.
> >
> > -_FT
> >
> > On 11/5/20 6:59 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
> > > On 2020-11-04 21:25, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> > >> Thats what I was thinking, he's leaned right over the fender, adding
> > >> heat, rubbing on the lead, breathing...
> > >> -Curt
> > >
> > > I can remember the PBS show, Stained Glass with Vickie Paine I think
> > > it was called.
> > > She mentioned her lead vapor protection every time she turned on an
> iron.
> > >
> > > Makes me wonder, back in the old days, were bodymen mad as a hatter?
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 1964 MERCEDES 190D

[OK Don via Mercedes]

What about all those who soldered the pont-to-point wired chassis for
radios and TVs back in the day when they all glowed in the dark? I know I
did my share with Heath Kits, an HH Scott amp, and my home brewed ham radio
transmitter and amp.

On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 8:23 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Hatters were mercury, but any heavy metal poisoning is Not Good.
>
> -_FT
>
> On 11/5/20 6:59 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
> > On 2020-11-04 21:25, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Thats what I was thinking, he's leaned right over the fender, adding
> >> heat, rubbing on the lead, breathing...
> >> -Curt
> >
> > I can remember the PBS show, Stained Glass with Vickie Paine I think
> > it was called.
> > She mentioned her lead vapor protection every time she turned on an iron.
> >
> > Makes me wonder, back in the old days, were bodymen mad as a hatter?
> >
> > Mitch.
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pause and reflect." Mark Twain

“Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”  Wernher
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2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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[MBZ] Hoovie's G55 Hooptie

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Holy crap, your torque converter bolts aren't even finger tight. I can 
tighten them by hand...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=me1Vi1aoDVM

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Re: [MBZ] OT Case 150 steam tractor

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Dyno run was cool.
Belt was incredibly long.
As he starts the dyno run, somebody standing next to the tractor puts a 
3 year old on his shoulders, to make sure the kid's in good position for 
decapitation. There's no guarantee a broken belt is going to remain in 
the plane of the pulleys.


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[MBZ] OT Case 150 steam tractor

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

5000+ ftlb torques 

https://youtu.be/ROv7wKFe5BM

https://youtu.be/JifNN9y6HSs

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[MBZ] cheap 124 300SD

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Some rust but nice interior

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/859846411489235

1986 Mercedes-Benz Mercedes-Benz 300 SD Sedan 4D
$1,000
Vehicles 
Listed 2 hours ago in Byron, GA 




   About This Vehicle…

Driven 335,000 miles
Automatic transmission
Exterior color: Blue · Interior color: Blue
Fuel type: Diesel


   Seller's description…

Needing gone still runs and drives just need it gone to save for 
Christmas gifts


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[MBZ] I collected Mercedes but now I need to let them go.

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

With pics of everything that is falling apart, and the new AC system

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/352132142539254

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 1964 MERCEDES 190D

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Hatters were mercury, but any heavy metal poisoning is Not Good.

-_FT

On 11/5/20 6:59 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

On 2020-11-04 21:25, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Thats what I was thinking, he's leaned right over the fender, adding
heat, rubbing on the lead, breathing...
-Curt


I can remember the PBS show, Stained Glass with Vickie Paine I think 
it was called.

She mentioned her lead vapor protection every time she turned on an iron.

Makes me wonder, back in the old days, were bodymen mad as a hatter?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 1964 MERCEDES 190D

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On 2020-11-04 21:25, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

Thats what I was thinking, he's leaned right over the fender, adding
heat, rubbing on the lead, breathing...
-Curt


I can remember the PBS show, Stained Glass with Vickie Paine I think it 
was called.
She mentioned her lead vapor protection every time she turned on an 
iron.


Makes me wonder, back in the old days, were bodymen mad as a hatter?

Mitch.

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