Re: [MBZ] Pics (maybe) of 280SEL by turnip cam -- 1970 Mercedes-Benz 400sel Sedan 4D, $3, 500

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Flesh eating microbes that have evolved to devour MB Tex.

On Fri, Nov 11, 2022 at 5:41 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Wow! That is one nasty looking car, both inside and out.
>
> -D
>
> > On Nov 11, 2022, at 3:26 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > maybe a SCAMER although it is in Georgia so who knows
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: EV kisses.

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Great review 

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> On Nov 11, 2022, at 10:42 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Man the stereo is insane though. Almost makes up for the fact that it
> handles like a RedBull soap box derby racer.
> 
> View out the front is beautiful.
> 
> Climate is controlled very well.
> 
> Definitely a computer with wheels and a motor.
> 
> It shows little diagrams of everything you are driving by, for no apparent
> reason, as it doesnt seem to do much with the info. It beeps at you when
> the light turns green, which helps you get a text sent at the red light
> without slowing anyone else down, which I am not sure is any kind of
> technical victory but more like enabling an alcoholic.
> 
> Unbelievably crappy ride.  And it makes some sort of a clunk which sounds
> like a suspension component gone rogue. This has been a known issue with
> some of the early forgings and ball joints. I mean come on - if you are
> going to skimp, do it somewhere else.
> 
> Combustion engines definitely save people from themselves. Max torque at
> zero rpm is kind of insane. And pedestrians tend to underestimate your
> speed or think you are farther away than you are because it makes no sound
> speeding up. It slows really fast and intuitively with just the accelerator
> pedal so it moves like something out of the Matrix speeding up and slowing
> down so much more readily and naturally than a gas car. To get a gas car to
> do the same thing, you have to burn immense amounts of gas through gear 1
> and high rpm, which is not reclaimed with braking and you think "hey I'll
> just take it easy and save some fuel". But it seems free on batteries with
> regen braking, as I am paying squat for the energy. So this is just another
> level of around town speed up and slow down, as I expected but no one
> including me seems ready for the capability of the thing. We are in close
> traffic through Beverly Hills and honestly the car tempts you to do things
> you should not and makes them seem perfectly reasonable. It does not need
> 400 or 700hp or whatever it has. If they get that Aptera thing figured out
> and it has real controls and no gimmicks I would probably prefer it.
> Actually I would prefer a bike maybe with some electric assist, but I
> prefer to live longer than LA traffic would allow, if I can.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Nov 11, 2022, 6:03 PM mitch--- via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> If I'm understanding Karl correctly, my hate for the touchscreen crap
>> has multiplied tenfold.
>> Having to take my eyes off the road and focus on a tactile free screen
>> to do anything is a safety hazard.
>> What pisses me off to no end is when my Chevy puts up a long paragraph
>> of verbiage on the screen, and requires me to hit the "OK, I actually
>> read all that bullshit while driving" button to bring the radio display
>> back up. What's all the verbiage? A warning to not read the damn screen
>> while driving!!!
>> Makes me want to drive into a tree just so I can sue GM.
>> 
>> But aside from the aforementioned horribly unsafe safety warning, I can
>> live with the Chevy. The channel preset buttons are big, you can
>> eventually learn approximately where they are, and you're better off
>> using the buttons on the back of the steering wheel to just jump up/down
>> the channel list anyway.
>> 
>> Having to negotiate levels of menus while driving makes me think the
>> best use of the Tesla would be to puncture the batteries, throw it off a
>> bridge an enjoy the fireworks when it hits the water.
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: EV kisses.

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Man the stereo is insane though. Almost makes up for the fact that it
handles like a RedBull soap box derby racer.

View out the front is beautiful.

Climate is controlled very well.

Definitely a computer with wheels and a motor.

It shows little diagrams of everything you are driving by, for no apparent
reason, as it doesnt seem to do much with the info. It beeps at you when
the light turns green, which helps you get a text sent at the red light
without slowing anyone else down, which I am not sure is any kind of
technical victory but more like enabling an alcoholic.

Unbelievably crappy ride.  And it makes some sort of a clunk which sounds
like a suspension component gone rogue. This has been a known issue with
some of the early forgings and ball joints. I mean come on - if you are
going to skimp, do it somewhere else.

Combustion engines definitely save people from themselves. Max torque at
zero rpm is kind of insane. And pedestrians tend to underestimate your
speed or think you are farther away than you are because it makes no sound
speeding up. It slows really fast and intuitively with just the accelerator
pedal so it moves like something out of the Matrix speeding up and slowing
down so much more readily and naturally than a gas car. To get a gas car to
do the same thing, you have to burn immense amounts of gas through gear 1
and high rpm, which is not reclaimed with braking and you think "hey I'll
just take it easy and save some fuel". But it seems free on batteries with
regen braking, as I am paying squat for the energy. So this is just another
level of around town speed up and slow down, as I expected but no one
including me seems ready for the capability of the thing. We are in close
traffic through Beverly Hills and honestly the car tempts you to do things
you should not and makes them seem perfectly reasonable. It does not need
400 or 700hp or whatever it has. If they get that Aptera thing figured out
and it has real controls and no gimmicks I would probably prefer it.
Actually I would prefer a bike maybe with some electric assist, but I
prefer to live longer than LA traffic would allow, if I can.




On Fri, Nov 11, 2022, 6:03 PM mitch--- via Mercedes 
wrote:

> If I'm understanding Karl correctly, my hate for the touchscreen crap
> has multiplied tenfold.
> Having to take my eyes off the road and focus on a tactile free screen
> to do anything is a safety hazard.
> What pisses me off to no end is when my Chevy puts up a long paragraph
> of verbiage on the screen, and requires me to hit the "OK, I actually
> read all that bullshit while driving" button to bring the radio display
> back up. What's all the verbiage? A warning to not read the damn screen
> while driving!!!
> Makes me want to drive into a tree just so I can sue GM.
>
> But aside from the aforementioned horribly unsafe safety warning, I can
> live with the Chevy. The channel preset buttons are big, you can
> eventually learn approximately where they are, and you're better off
> using the buttons on the back of the steering wheel to just jump up/down
> the channel list anyway.
>
> Having to negotiate levels of menus while driving makes me think the
> best use of the Tesla would be to puncture the batteries, throw it off a
> bridge an enjoy the fireworks when it hits the water.
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Re: [MBZ] Not a bad deal for a mild hybrid -- 2010 Mercedes-Benz S400H - $13, 995 (Vero Beach, FL)

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Make that weeks, buddy. Cars are just starting to come out of SW Florida where 
Ian went through.

-D

> On Nov 11, 2022, at 7:51 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On 2022-11-11 16:37, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote:
>> or water logged in Vero Beach
> 
> Good point.
> Does anybody really want a used Florida car when it's been less than a year 
> since the last MAJOR flood event?
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Re: [MBZ] Not a bad deal for a mild hybrid -- 2010 Mercedes-Benz S400H - $13, 995 (Vero Beach, FL)

[mitch--- via Mercedes]

On 2022-11-11 16:37, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote:

or water logged in Vero Beach



Good point.
Does anybody really want a used Florida car when it's been less than a 
year since the last MAJOR flood event?


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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: EV kisses.

[mitch--- via Mercedes]

If I'm understanding Karl correctly, my hate for the touchscreen crap 
has multiplied tenfold.
Having to take my eyes off the road and focus on a tactile free screen 
to do anything is a safety hazard.
What pisses me off to no end is when my Chevy puts up a long paragraph 
of verbiage on the screen, and requires me to hit the "OK, I actually 
read all that bullshit while driving" button to bring the radio display 
back up. What's all the verbiage? A warning to not read the damn screen 
while driving!!!

Makes me want to drive into a tree just so I can sue GM.

But aside from the aforementioned horribly unsafe safety warning, I can 
live with the Chevy. The channel preset buttons are big, you can 
eventually learn approximately where they are, and you're better off 
using the buttons on the back of the steering wheel to just jump up/down 
the channel list anyway.


Having to negotiate levels of menus while driving makes me think the 
best use of the Tesla would be to puncture the batteries, throw it off a 
bridge an enjoy the fireworks when it hits the water.


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Re: [MBZ] TEMPTATION: Will not start, 2007 Mercedes-Benz s550, $3, 200

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

“ Mercedes dealer said esp module and trans module was not communicating”

“ It’s not stuck , just put a new neutral safety switch on it at Mercedes 
thinking that was the problem. It goes in and out of gear fine now”

He says the tranny will shift and it comes alive but engine won’t start. Would 
be interesting to put the computer on it and see what comes up. I wonder if 
some other bits are upsetting the ESP module. 

--FT
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> On Nov 11, 2022, at 5:39 PM, Floyd Thursby  wrote:
> 
> 
> I don't think that is an issue with the 550 but maybe I'm wrong.  Sent the 
> guy a msg asking if it would come alive when you pushed the start button, at 
> least that would allow the car to be scanned
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 11/11/22 5:27 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> Won’t start due to bad timing chain and balance shaft 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 11, 2022, at 4:13 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Will not start, engine and transmission good. Maybe easy fix but I don’t 
>>> have time to mess with it. $3200 or best offer. Clean title. Has to be towed
>>> 
>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1182403415677957
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Re: [MBZ] Seems like I might need this

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Coupla 5gal buckets should work ok

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> On Nov 11, 2022, at 7:06 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Just have to figure out a tank, which I have my old diesel 
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/529533498670242/
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Re: [MBZ] True barn find 77 300D with 33, 824 original miles. 1977 Mercedes-Benz 300d Sedan 4D, $10, 000

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

So, how do they know it runs and drives fine? I am assuming they didn't 
drive it down the highway with the windshield that dirty.


Randy

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https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/829020478431126



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Re: [MBZ] Yeaaaaah, A Bit Too Much Methinks

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Looks half decent but for that ask should be really nice. Boring colors but 
maybe work for Florida 

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> On Nov 11, 2022, at 7:20 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Interesting, but too much for the condition in my opinion. Not far from the 
> Florida casita.
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1681388558921808/
> 
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[MBZ] Yeaaaaah, A Bit Too Much Methinks

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Interesting, but too much for the condition in my opinion. Not far from the 
Florida casita.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1681388558921808/

-D
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[MBZ] Seems like I might need this

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Just have to figure out a tank, which I have my old diesel 

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/529533498670242/


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[MBZ] Seems like I might need this

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Just have to figure out a tank, which I have my old diesel transfer tank I 
could use 

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/529533498670242/


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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 1959 Mercedes ponton 190 gas

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

"stuck motor" which could be anything.  Maybe a transplant candidate?  
But $4500 is kinda high for bad engine car unless you have a spare 
sitting around gathering dust


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On 11/11/22 6:01 PM, Frederick Moir via Mercedes wrote:

H?

-- Forwarded message -
From: Frederick Moir
Date: Fri, Nov 11, 2022 at 4:33 PM
Subject: 1959 Mercedes ponton 190 gas
To: Frederick Moir


https://boston.craigslist.org/nos/cto/7556251740.html

Sent from Mail  for Windows





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[MBZ] Fwd: 1959 Mercedes ponton 190 gas

[Frederick Moir via Mercedes]

H?

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From: Frederick Moir 
Date: Fri, Nov 11, 2022 at 4:33 PM
Subject: 1959 Mercedes ponton 190 gas
To: Frederick Moir 


https://boston.craigslist.org/nos/cto/7556251740.html

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Re: [MBZ] True barn find 77 300D with 33, 824 original miles. 1977 Mercedes-Benz 300d Sedan 4D, $10, 000

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

That’s a real time capsule. Nice. I bet it would flip for a lot more on BaT, 
where odometers are sold with cars attached to them.

-D

> On Nov 11, 2022, at 3:14 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/829020478431126
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Pics (maybe) of 280SEL by turnip cam -- 1970 Mercedes-Benz 400sel Sedan 4D, $3, 500

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Wow! That is one nasty looking car, both inside and out.

-D

> On Nov 11, 2022, at 3:26 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> maybe a SCAMER although it is in Georgia so who knows
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/454193503451843
> 
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Re: [MBZ] TEMPTATION: Will not start, 2007 Mercedes-Benz s550, $3, 200

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I don't think that is an issue with the 550 but maybe I'm wrong.  Sent 
the guy a msg asking if it would come alive when you pushed the start 
button, at least that would allow the car to be scanned


--FT

On 11/11/22 5:27 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Won’t start due to bad timing chain and balance shaft

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 11, 2022, at 4:13 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  
wrote:

Will not start, engine and transmission good. Maybe easy fix but I don’t have 
time to mess with it. $3200 or best offer. Clean title. Has to be towed

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1182403415677957

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Re: [MBZ] TEMPTATION: Will not start, 2007 Mercedes-Benz s550, $3, 200

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Won’t start due to bad timing chain and balance shaft 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 11, 2022, at 4:13 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Will not start, engine and transmission good. Maybe easy fix but I don’t 
> have time to mess with it. $3200 or best offer. Clean title. Has to be towed
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1182403415677957
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[MBZ] Pics (maybe) of 280SEL by turnip cam -- 1970 Mercedes-Benz 400sel Sedan 4D, $3, 500

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

maybe a SCAMER although it is in Georgia so who knows

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/454193503451843

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[MBZ] My brain is addled and I am a marginally-sentient moron 2008 Mercedes-Benz amg gt, $32, 000

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Probably not even his car

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/524558269580980

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Re: [MBZ] True barn find 77 300D with 33, 824 original miles. 1977 Mercedes-Benz 300d Sedan 4D, $10, 000

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Geez, might actually be close to worth it. Needs to clean it up and fix that 
trim piece though. 

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> On Nov 11, 2022, at 4:15 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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[MBZ] True barn find 77 300D with 33, 824 original miles. 1977 Mercedes-Benz 300d Sedan 4D, $10, 000

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/829020478431126

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: EV kisses.

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

I suspect that when Mercedes ups their EV game, Tesla will be relegated to the 
minor league of auto makers. It was basically a tax farm anyway.


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[MBZ] TEMPTATION: Will not start, 2007 Mercedes-Benz s550,$3,200

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Will not start, engine and transmission good. Maybe easy fix but I don’t 
have time to mess with it. $3200 or best offer. Clean title. Has to be 
towed


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Re: [MBZ] Not a bad deal for a mild hybrid -- 2010 Mercedes-Benz S400H - $13, 995 (Vero Beach, FL)

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

or water logged in Vero Beach

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> 55kmi, barely broken in (or broken)
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Not a bad deal for a mild hybrid -- 2010 Mercedes-Benz S400H - $13, 995 (Vero Beach, FL)

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The battery and motor on this one are not very powerful, it appears the 
idea was to help launch the car from a standstill, give a little boost 
until the engine (a V6) was needed, make it feel a little peppier 
maybe.  Since most drivers of these things (I am extrapolating from like 
3 or 4 I have seen) are geezers who probably have no clue whatsoever, 
and care nothing about performance, but they were cheaper and would get 
better fuel mileage on the way to visit the grandkids, so that was the 
attraction. And maybe the feel-good of "hybrid" warms their green 
souls.  And maybe it would boost MB's CAFE a bit so we could get S65s 
and what not.


--FT

On 11/11/22 1:20 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes wrote:

On 2022-11-11 13:03, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

Hybrids don't help much if any on the highway.


Best they can do is allow a taller cruising gear with fewer downshifts.
But "highway cycle" ratings aren't steady state cruise. Although they 
might have been 45 years ago when small cars with carburetors got 40+ 
EPA hwy and 35+ on actual freeway trips.


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[MBZ] Fwd: EV kisses.

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

See below for day 2 report Somehow it went only to Andrew.

For Day 3 I will only add that the fore and aft hobby horsing is super
annoying and I dont know what their chassis dynamics people are smoking.

Still have not charged it.

No key or off switch still annoying. I leave my kid inside and if I take
the key along I am worried it is going to lock him in or some other dumb
unforeseen consequence.

Headlights are exceptionally good.

Very quiet.

Sitting parked with all climate stuff still running is handy.

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From: Karl Wittnebel 
Date: Thu, Nov 10, 2022, 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] EV kisses.
To: Andrew Strasfogel 


Day 2:

Driving a Tesla is sort of like having a business partner. You kind of
negotiate with it to get it to do what you want, which is usually 3 menus
deep. I think if they just simplified this thing and put all the controls
for climate and seat heaters and cameras somewhere intuitive, it would be a
lot easier to operate.

The steering is OK but the chassis dynamics over bumps are truly abysmal.
If you get it porpoising it has a fast resonance fore and aft like a car
with no suspension. Randy Pobst wrecked one at Pikes Peak two years ago for
this reason; when the whole car goes up it has a ton of momentum from the
battery and doesnt want to settle back down. He almost wrecked the model S
this year for similar reasons; bounced in a corner.

Interior quality feels about like a lower end Toyota. It seems like the
Ford of electric cars. I see a ton of Audi E-trons here and Taycans and now
I know why; the Tesla interior is very average. Fine, but not for 50k.
Electrics are still too expensive for what they do.

No gas station is definitely a win. Not sure it is worth the headache of
this thing.

My kid is doing an air particulate project for 6th grade and cars do
produce a lot of 2.5 micron particles that are associated with all kinds of
poor health outcomes. He is making filters to reduce that stuff and
measuring it in the classroom, comparing filter designs. So the electric
cars probably win there. Not a big deal outside the city but here there are
thousands of cars passing his school twice a day stop and go idling with
brake dust etc. So an interesting thing to consider but definitely point
source emissions are a plus for the electrics in densely populated areas.

Would be fun to try a Lucid Air. But expensive. The Aptera might be cool as
a sort of motorcycle substitute. But the Checy Bolt has to be the best deal
in electrics for commuting. Another 7500 spif from the feds coming in Jan.

On Wed, Nov 9, 2022, 11:42 AM Andrew Strasfogel 
wrote:

> Are those other vehicles you mentioned EV or gas?
>
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2022 at 2:39 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> The wagon got swiped by some dude at school dropoff, so his insurance is
>> paying for me to drive a Tesla for a couple weeks. Model Y. Basic model.
>>
>> There are some things to get used to, for instance you dont turn the car
>> off. You just put it into park and get out and walk away and it locks
>> itself up.
>>
>>  The screen is like learning a new software program. Works well for t gh e
>> mostpart but not what I am looking for when I get in a car. It would be
>> better with some manual a/c controls.
>>
>> Rarely use the brakes at all. Taking foot off accelerator brings the car
>> to
>> a halt more aggressively than I usually brake.
>>
>> The auto steer chirps for no apparent reason sometimes to save me from
>> myself I guess.
>>
>> Handling is like driving a stiffly sprung SUV. Definitely not a luxury
>> ride.
>>
>> Ridiculously quick. I find myself accelerating to speeds I would never
>> consider in the diesel between stop signs for example.
>>
>> The driver assist stuff is all helpful to keep you from running into stuff
>> and make you aware of your surroundings. These cars are going to be
>> involved in fewer acceidents than normal cars, for sure.
>>
>> So yes they make speed boring but in general it seems hard to argue with
>> it
>> for a city car: no point source emissions, quiet, crashworthy, less brake
>> dust, cameras all over constantly recording, never go to a gas station or
>> get your oil changed. If you dont need a truck and can spend 50k on a car
>> there are far dumber vehicles to buy for most americans. Radio is truly
>> excellent and kids love the glass roof.
>>
>> I really want one of those new corolla grx things though. 300hp on 1.6L
>> has
>> to be some kind of record for a production car and they probably will not
>> make them very long. Owning a Lexus gx460 for four years has made me a
>> toyota fan.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2022, 5:00 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I drove a Tesla model S a couple years ago. Dimitri only says the
>> driving
>> > experience is insipid because he's never driven one.
>> > Curt
>> >
>> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>> >
>> >   On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 7:58 PM, OK 

Re: [MBZ] Not a bad deal for a mild hybrid -- 2010 Mercedes-Benz S400H - $13, 995 (Vero Beach, FL)

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On 2022-11-11 13:03, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

Hybrids don't help much if any on the highway.


Best they can do is allow a taller cruising gear with fewer downshifts.
But "highway cycle" ratings aren't steady state cruise. Although they 
might have been 45 years ago when small cars with carburetors got 40+ 
EPA hwy and 35+ on actual freeway trips.


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Re: [MBZ] Not a bad deal for a mild hybrid -- 2010 Mercedes-Benz S400H - $13, 995 (Vero Beach, FL)

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Hybrids don't help much if any on the highway. 

On Fri, Nov 11, 2022, at 11:05, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> Interesting!  Based on fuel savings, I would call it "tepid" instead.  27
> mpg on the highway is nothing to brag about:
>
> *Speaking of which, EPA fuel economy jumps from 15 mpg city and 23 
> highway
> to 19 and 26, respectively. On a mostly highway trip—but with no 
> shortage
> of wide-open-throttle on-ramp charges—we averaged a remarkable 27 mpg.
> Overall, we got 24 mpg, same as the last VW GTI
> 
> we tested.*
>
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2022 at 10:55 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a16579313/2010-mercedes-benz-s400-hybrid-instrumented-test/
>>
>> On 11/11/22 10:49 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>> > WTF I had no idea Mercedes made hybrids.  Why is it "
>> > mild"?
>> >
>> > On Fri, Nov 11, 2022 at 10:47 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> > Good question.  Not sure if XENTRY could determine that or not.
>> > Maybe a
>> > stealer has some way to check it.
>> >
>> > --FT
>> >
>> > On 11/11/22 10:39 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes wrote:
>> > > On 2022-11-11 10:30, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>> > >> 55kmi, barely broken in (or broken)
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> >
>> https://treasure.craigslist.org/ctd/d/vero-beach-2010-mercedes-benz-s400h/7556153102.html
>> >
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > > 13 year old Hybrid.
>> > > Is there a handy computer check to gauge battery condition?
>> > >

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Re: [MBZ] Comes with a billion-year contract -- 2006 Mercedes-Benz S Class - $99, 750 (_Mercedes-Benz_ _S Class_ _Sedan_)

[G Mann via Mercedes]

"Online test drive" ... isn't that on par with a mail order bride from back
in the 1880's during the "wild west"..?
Pass.. tyvm

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>
> --FT
>
> On 11/11/22 10:29 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> > What's clear is the typo inputting an extra 9.
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 11, 2022 at 10:27 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> > And it's clear!
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Not a bad deal for a mild hybrid -- 2010 Mercedes-Benz S400H - $13, 995 (Vero Beach, FL)

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Interesting!  Based on fuel savings, I would call it "tepid" instead.  27
mpg on the highway is nothing to brag about:

*Speaking of which, EPA fuel economy jumps from 15 mpg city and 23 highway
to 19 and 26, respectively. On a mostly highway trip—but with no shortage
of wide-open-throttle on-ramp charges—we averaged a remarkable 27 mpg.
Overall, we got 24 mpg, same as the last VW GTI

we tested.*

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>
> https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a16579313/2010-mercedes-benz-s400-hybrid-instrumented-test/
>
> On 11/11/22 10:49 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> > WTF I had no idea Mercedes made hybrids.  Why is it "
> > mild"?
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 11, 2022 at 10:47 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> > Good question.  Not sure if XENTRY could determine that or not.
> > Maybe a
> > stealer has some way to check it.
> >
> > --FT
> >
> > On 11/11/22 10:39 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes wrote:
> > > On 2022-11-11 10:30, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
> > >> 55kmi, barely broken in (or broken)
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> https://treasure.craigslist.org/ctd/d/vero-beach-2010-mercedes-benz-s400h/7556153102.html
> >
> > >>
> > >
> > > 13 year old Hybrid.
> > > Is there a handy computer check to gauge battery condition?
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Re: [MBZ] Not a bad deal for a mild hybrid -- 2010 Mercedes-Benz S400H - $13, 995 (Vero Beach, FL)

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a16579313/2010-mercedes-benz-s400-hybrid-instrumented-test/

On 11/11/22 10:49 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

WTF I had no idea Mercedes made hybrids.  Why is it "
mild"?

On Fri, Nov 11, 2022 at 10:47 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 wrote:


Good question.  Not sure if XENTRY could determine that or not.
Maybe a
stealer has some way to check it.

--FT

On 11/11/22 10:39 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes wrote:
> On 2022-11-11 10:30, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>> 55kmi, barely broken in (or broken)
>>
>>

https://treasure.craigslist.org/ctd/d/vero-beach-2010-mercedes-benz-s400h/7556153102.html

>>
>
> 13 year old Hybrid.
> Is there a handy computer check to gauge battery condition?
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Re: [MBZ] Not a bad deal for a mild hybrid -- 2010 Mercedes-Benz S400H - $13, 995 (Vero Beach, FL)

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

WTF I had no idea Mercedes made hybrids.  Why is it "
mild"?

On Fri, Nov 11, 2022 at 10:47 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> Good question.  Not sure if XENTRY could determine that or not. Maybe a
> stealer has some way to check it.
>
> --FT
>
> On 11/11/22 10:39 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes wrote:
> > On 2022-11-11 10:30, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
> >> 55kmi, barely broken in (or broken)
> >>
> >>
> https://treasure.craigslist.org/ctd/d/vero-beach-2010-mercedes-benz-s400h/7556153102.html
> >>
> >
> > 13 year old Hybrid.
> > Is there a handy computer check to gauge battery condition?
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Good question.  Not sure if XENTRY could determine that or not. Maybe a 
stealer has some way to check it.


--FT

On 11/11/22 10:39 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes wrote:

On 2022-11-11 10:30, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:

55kmi, barely broken in (or broken)

https://treasure.craigslist.org/ctd/d/vero-beach-2010-mercedes-benz-s400h/7556153102.html 



13 year old Hybrid.
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On 2022-11-11 10:30, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:

55kmi, barely broken in (or broken)

https://treasure.craigslist.org/ctd/d/vero-beach-2010-mercedes-benz-s400h/7556153102.html


13 year old Hybrid.
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Re: [MBZ] Comes with a billion-year contract -- 2006 Mercedes-Benz S Class - $99, 750 (_Mercedes-Benz_ _S Class_ _Sedan_)

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

DONT LOBALL THEM BRO THEY NO WHAT THEY GOT

--FT

On 11/11/22 10:29 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

What's clear is the typo inputting an extra 9.

On Fri, Nov 11, 2022 at 10:27 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 wrote:


And it's clear!


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Re: [MBZ] Rode hard -- previously stolen/recovered but with Clean/Clear NC title in hand-- 2008 Mercedes CL 550 S Class Coupe - $7, 995 (Warrenton)

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Because the seller is a moron

--FT

On 11/11/22 10:25 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
Holy cr*p. These cars don't depreciate like they used to.  Why is RWD 
"rare"?  I thought AWD was the preferred option and therefore rare-r.


On Fri, Nov 11, 2022 at 10:24 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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https://raleigh.craigslist.org/cto/d/warrenton-2008-mercedes-cl-550-class/7555994297.html

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55kmi, barely broken in (or broken)

https://treasure.craigslist.org/ctd/d/vero-beach-2010-mercedes-benz-s400h/7556153102.html

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What's clear is the typo inputting an extra 9.

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> And it's clear!
>
>
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And it's clear!

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Re: [MBZ] Rode hard -- previously stolen/recovered but with Clean/Clear NC title in hand-- 2008 Mercedes CL 550 S Class Coupe - $7, 995 (Warrenton)

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Holy cr*p.  These cars don't depreciate like they used to.  Why is RWD
"rare"?  I thought AWD was the preferred option and therefore rare-r.

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[MBZ] Rode hard -- previously stolen/recovered but with Clean/Clear NC title in hand-- 2008 Mercedes CL 550 S Class Coupe - $7, 995 (Warrenton)

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

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Re: [MBZ] Onboard Mercedes-AMG ONE | Record Drive at Nürburgring Nordschleife

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On 2022-11-10 18:06, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 16:01:46 -0500 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
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How did the commenters know it was damp?


Watch again, starting at 3:20.

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Re: [MBZ] This is an 1964 Mercedes Benz 220se euro Speck car

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Englitch ass a tird lingwidge 

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> On Nov 10, 2022, at 11:49 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
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> The ebay listing goes into more details:
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> "Everything is in good to fare shap"
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>> On Thu, Nov 10, 2022, at 23:45, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>> $10 restoration cost down, $15k to go.
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>>> On Thu, Nov 10, 2022 at 11:42 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes 
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>>> a ture head tunner
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