[MBZ] 2006 CLS55 AMG - 106k miles - $22,000

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

It's a nice looking car but am I wrong that the price seems crazy?

https://lexington.craigslist.org/cto/d/lexington-2006-mercedes-benz-cls55-amg/7766077466.html



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Re: [MBZ] sagging headliner repair

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

I’ve done my own as well as paid for it to be done, and all I can say is it was 
far cheaper in so many ways to have it done I would never DIY it again, except 
maybe for an R129. They’re really simple since the top is removable. That said, 
it’s a mess and you’ll never, ever get all the old glue off the headliner 
board. You can save some money by R&R’ing it and taking it to your 
headliner/upholstery shop, but to be honest, they’re so good at it I found the 
difference in price to be marginal at best. 

-D

> On Jul 14, 2024, at 3:09 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> What has happened is that the rubber foam under the fabric has fallen apart, 
> and glue won't do you much good, more dead foam will simply peel off.
> 
> The fix is to remove the headliner panel, scrape all the dead foam and old 
> glue off, and glue fresh material in it's place.  JoAnn used to have the 
> correct material, but you may have to source it somewhere else.
> 
> Someday I may do this in the Golf, this one is coming down (the older one was 
> still fine), but as long as it doesn't interfere with vision I'll leave it.  
> More serious things to worry about on that car.
> 
> Peter
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Sent: Jul 14, 2024 2:04 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Allan Streib 
> Subject: [MBZ] sagging headliner repair
> 
> I think the answer is "no" but is there an effective DIY approach to dealing 
> with a sagging headliner? In the past I've tried 3M sticky spray and it 
> initially works but not for long.
> 
> If not, what sort of shop do I look for? There's one shop locally that 
> advertises repairs that are typically in the $250-$500 range.
> 
> Car in question is my W211 E500. Headliner is not down but it's sagging over 
> the rear window shelf and seat back area, it flaps around in the breeze if I 
> have the rear windows open.
> 
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] 2002 CL 500 - 128k miles -$4,500

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Not unreasonable. The head unit kinda butchers up the wood panel though

--FT
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> On Jul 14, 2024, at 3:15 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Looks nice enough, black/black and miles are pretty low. Coupe. Looks like 
> it has an aftermarket audio head/screen unit.
> 
> https://stlouis.craigslist.org/cto/d/saint-charles-2002-mercedes-cl-500/7765946662.html
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Re: [MBZ] sagging headliner repair

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

What has happened is that the rubber foam under the fabric has fallen apart, 
and glue won't do you much good, more dead foam will simply peel off.

The fix is to remove the headliner panel, scrape all the dead foam and old glue 
off, and glue fresh material in it's place.  JoAnn used to have the correct 
material, but you may have to source it somewhere else.

Someday I may do this in the Golf, this one is coming down (the older one was 
still fine), but as long as it doesn't interfere with vision I'll leave it.  
More serious things to worry about on that car.

Peter
-Original Message-
From: Mercedes Discussion List 
Sent: Jul 14, 2024 2:04 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Allan Streib 
Subject: [MBZ] sagging headliner repair

I think the answer is "no" but is there an effective DIY approach to dealing 
with a sagging headliner? In the past I've tried 3M sticky spray and it 
initially works but not for long.

If not, what sort of shop do I look for? There's one shop locally that 
advertises repairs that are typically in the $250-$500 range.

Car in question is my W211 E500. Headliner is not down but it's sagging over 
the rear window shelf and seat back area, it flaps around in the breeze if I 
have the rear windows open.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] sagging headliner repair

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

The seller is firm at $4k, b/c it's "all original".  But he's unwilling to
get it started/moving.

On Sun, Jul 14, 2024 at 5:27 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I would add that while implied, I didn’t point out that the headliner is
> glued down to the roof at the top of the windshield and rear window. The
> dark brown stuff you see is old glue, probably hide glue (as in made out of
> rendered animals.) You can’t really do a proper headliner install on these
> cars without removing the windshield and rear window seals. The fabric
> actually wraps around the weldment of the window opening in some places, so
> trhying to “cheat” and jus ttuck it under means having to try and jam a
> bunch of fabric where it doesn’t belong, or trimming it during installation
> (very risky!)
>
> And again, it’s the perfect opportunity to replace the windshield and rear
> window seals, too. With OE rubber, of course!
>
> -D
>
> On Jul 14, 2024, at 2:17 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> Common, mainly because the back corners are anchored to the rear (C)
> pillar under the paneling that covers the pillar, and as the material ages
> it shrinks and pulls out. It’s probably got some of the brown discoloration
> on it as well.
>
> I can’t speak to the W108s, but four years ago or thereabouts when I was
> doing the W111 220SEb a new headliner, complete from Mercedes, was under
> $200 and on the shelf in Germany.
>
> But - it cost quite a bit to have it replaced. That’s mainly because I had
> both from and rear glass removed so new seals could be installed. Money
> well spent and the ideal time to do it all.
>
> -D
>
>
> On Jul 14, 2024, at 2:00 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  > wrote:
>
> 
> The headliner in the local W108 4.5 is sagging in the rear.  Otherwise, is
> taut.
>
> On Sun, Jul 14, 2024 at 3:34 PM dan penoff.com<
> http://penoff.com> via Mercedes  > wrote:
> Older cars with headliners that were installed with bows.
>
> -D
>
> On Jul 14, 2024, at 12:31 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>
> These are problems older cars never had.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 14, 2024, at 2:18 PM, dan penoff.com<
> http://penoff.com> via Mercedes  > wrote:
>
> These:
>
>
> <
> https://www.amazon.com/Attmu-Upholstery-Slipcovers-Bedskirts-Inches/dp/B00Q87O00U/?th=1
> >
>
> [41aGnOJcKrL._SR600,315_PIWhiteStrip,BottomLeft,0,35_PIStarRatingFOURANDHALF,BottomLeft,360,-6_SR600,315_ZA9%2C272,445,290,400,400,AmazonEmberBold,12,4,0,0,5_SCLZZZ_FMpng_BG255,255,255.jpg]
> Attmu 50 Pcs Upholstery Tacks Headliner Pins Clear Heads Twist Pins for
> Slipcovers and Bedskirts, 0.5 Inches Bed Skirt Pins<
> https://www.amazon.com/Attmu-Upholstery-Slipcovers-Bedskirts-Inches/dp/B00Q87O00U/?th=1
> >
> amazon.com><
> https://www.amazon.com/Attmu-Upholstery-Slipcovers-Bedskirts-Inches/dp/B00Q87O00U/?th=1
> >
>
> -D
>
>
>
> On Jul 14, 2024, at 12:07 PM, dan penoff.com<
> http://penoff.com> via Mercedes  > wrote:
>
> Very common in W210 and W211s, especially if they’ve lived in a hot
> climate.
>
> I’ve seen people use the little “corkscrew” pins to hold it up, but
> remember, you’re poking into a fiberglass panel in most cases, and it’s not
> going to like it.
>
> -D
>
> On Jul 14, 2024, at 12:02 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>
> I think the answer is "no" but is there an effective DIY approach to
> dealing with a sagging headliner? In the past I've tried 3M sticky spray
> and it initially works but not for long.
>
> If not, what sort of shop do I look for? There's one shop locally that
> advertises repairs that are typically in the $250-$500 range.
>
> Car in question is my W211 E500. Headliner is not down but it's sagging
> over the rear window shelf and seat back area, it flaps around in the
> breeze if I have the rear windows open.
>
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] sagging headliner repair

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

I would add that while implied, I didn’t point out that the headliner is glued 
down to the roof at the top of the windshield and rear window. The dark brown 
stuff you see is old glue, probably hide glue (as in made out of rendered 
animals.) You can’t really do a proper headliner install on these cars without 
removing the windshield and rear window seals. The fabric actually wraps around 
the weldment of the window opening in some places, so trhying to “cheat” and 
jus ttuck it under means having to try and jam a bunch of fabric where it 
doesn’t belong, or trimming it during installation (very risky!)

And again, it’s the perfect opportunity to replace the windshield and rear 
window seals, too. With OE rubber, of course!

-D

On Jul 14, 2024, at 2:17 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Common, mainly because the back corners are anchored to the rear (C) pillar 
under the paneling that covers the pillar, and as the material ages it shrinks 
and pulls out. It’s probably got some of the brown discoloration on it as well.

I can’t speak to the W108s, but four years ago or thereabouts when I was doing 
the W111 220SEb a new headliner, complete from Mercedes, was under $200 and on 
the shelf in Germany.

But - it cost quite a bit to have it replaced. That’s mainly because I had both 
from and rear glass removed so new seals could be installed. Money well spent 
and the ideal time to do it all.

-D


On Jul 14, 2024, at 2:00 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com>> wrote:


The headliner in the local W108 4.5 is sagging in the rear.  Otherwise, is taut.

On Sun, Jul 14, 2024 at 3:34 PM dan 
penoff.com> via 
Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
 wrote:
Older cars with headliners that were installed with bows.

-D

On Jul 14, 2024, at 12:31 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
 wrote:

These are problems older cars never had.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 14, 2024, at 2:18 PM, dan 
penoff.com> via 
Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
 wrote:

These:



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Attmu 50 Pcs Upholstery Tacks Headliner Pins Clear Heads Twist Pins for 
Slipcovers and Bedskirts, 0.5 Inches Bed Skirt 
Pins
amazon.com>

-D



On Jul 14, 2024, at 12:07 PM, dan 
penoff.com> via 
Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
 wrote:

Very common in W210 and W211s, especially if they’ve lived in a hot climate.

I’ve seen people use the little “corkscrew” pins to hold it up, but remember, 
you’re poking into a fiberglass panel in most cases, and it’s not going to like 
it.

-D

On Jul 14, 2024, at 12:02 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
 wrote:

I think the answer is "no" but is there an effective DIY approach to dealing 
with a sagging headliner? In the past I've tried 3M sticky spray and it 
initially works but not for long.

If not, what sort of shop do I look for? There's one shop locally that 
advertises repairs that are typically in the $250-$500 range.

Car in question is my W211 E500. Headliner is not down but it's sagging over 
the rear window shelf and seat back area, it flaps around in the breeze if I 
have the rear windows open.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] sagging headliner repair

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Common, mainly because the back corners are anchored to the rear (C) pillar 
under the paneling that covers the pillar, and as the material ages it shrinks 
and pulls out. It’s probably got some of the brown discoloration on it as well.

I can’t speak to the W108s, but four years ago or thereabouts when I was doing 
the W111 220SEb a new headliner, complete from Mercedes, was under $200 and on 
the shelf in Germany.

But - it cost quite a bit to have it replaced. That’s mainly because I had both 
from and rear glass removed so new seals could be installed. Money well spent 
and the ideal time to do it all.

-D


On Jul 14, 2024, at 2:00 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:


The headliner in the local W108 4.5 is sagging in the rear.  Otherwise, is taut.

On Sun, Jul 14, 2024 at 3:34 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
Older cars with headliners that were installed with bows.

-D

> On Jul 14, 2024, at 12:31 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>
> These are problems older cars never had.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 14, 2024, at 2:18 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>>
>> These:
>>
>>
>> 
>> [41aGnOJcKrL._SR600,315_PIWhiteStrip,BottomLeft,0,35_PIStarRatingFOURANDHALF,BottomLeft,360,-6_SR600,315_ZA9%2C272,445,290,400,400,AmazonEmberBold,12,4,0,0,5_SCLZZZ_FMpng_BG255,255,255.jpg]
>> Attmu 50 Pcs Upholstery Tacks Headliner Pins Clear Heads Twist Pins for 
>> Slipcovers and Bedskirts, 0.5 Inches Bed Skirt 
>> Pins
>> amazon.com
>>
>> -D
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 14, 2024, at 12:07 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Very common in W210 and W211s, especially if they’ve lived in a hot climate.
>>
>> I’ve seen people use the little “corkscrew” pins to hold it up, but 
>> remember, you’re poking into a fiberglass panel in most cases, and it’s not 
>> going to like it.
>>
>> -D
>>
>> On Jul 14, 2024, at 12:02 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I think the answer is "no" but is there an effective DIY approach to dealing 
>> with a sagging headliner? In the past I've tried 3M sticky spray and it 
>> initially works but not for long.
>>
>> If not, what sort of shop do I look for? There's one shop locally that 
>> advertises repairs that are typically in the $250-$500 range.
>>
>> Car in question is my W211 E500. Headliner is not down but it's sagging over 
>> the rear window shelf and seat back area, it flaps around in the breeze if I 
>> have the rear windows open.
>>
>> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] FBMPClown

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Either not serious or this is a catfish-mobile.

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> At some point you have to realize he's not serious about selling the car.
>
> Let it go, there are others out there.
>
> On Sun, Jul 14, 2024, at 16:20, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
> > I’m still attempting to get this clown to engage:
> >
> > 442492614_122100670544337180_968688003151781952_n.jpg
> > 2008 Mercedes-Benz M-Class · ML 320 CDI Sport Utility 4D <
> https://www.facebook.com/share/8UcZVkSuxFMhrFpw/?mibextid=79PoIi>
> > facebook.com <
> https://www.facebook.com/share/8UcZVkSuxFMhrFpw/?mibextid=79PoIi>
> >
> > He doesn’t answer question on condition. His only replies to me have
> been “tomorrow” when I asked yesterday morning if I could see the car
> yesterday, and then when I asked him what time he answered 9 hours later,
> “12pm”.  So I instantly asked for a meeting place…..crickets. I asked three
> more times last night and six times before 1100 today and no response.
> > This is the first 100% FBMP idiot I’ve dealt with. Guess I’ve been lucky.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] sagging headliner repair

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

The headliner in the local W108 4.5 is sagging in the rear.  Otherwise, is
taut.

On Sun, Jul 14, 2024 at 3:34 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Older cars with headliners that were installed with bows.
>
> -D
>
> > On Jul 14, 2024, at 12:31 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > These are problems older cars never had.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jul 14, 2024, at 2:18 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> These:
> >>
> >>
> >> <
> https://www.amazon.com/Attmu-Upholstery-Slipcovers-Bedskirts-Inches/dp/B00Q87O00U/?th=1
> >
> >>
> [41aGnOJcKrL._SR600,315_PIWhiteStrip,BottomLeft,0,35_PIStarRatingFOURANDHALF,BottomLeft,360,-6_SR600,315_ZA9%2C272,445,290,400,400,AmazonEmberBold,12,4,0,0,5_SCLZZZ_FMpng_BG255,255,255.jpg]
> >> Attmu 50 Pcs Upholstery Tacks Headliner Pins Clear Heads Twist Pins for
> Slipcovers and Bedskirts, 0.5 Inches Bed Skirt Pins<
> https://www.amazon.com/Attmu-Upholstery-Slipcovers-Bedskirts-Inches/dp/B00Q87O00U/?th=1
> >
> >> amazon.com<
> https://www.amazon.com/Attmu-Upholstery-Slipcovers-Bedskirts-Inches/dp/B00Q87O00U/?th=1
> >
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jul 14, 2024, at 12:07 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Very common in W210 and W211s, especially if they’ve lived in a hot
> climate.
> >>
> >> I’ve seen people use the little “corkscrew” pins to hold it up, but
> remember, you’re poking into a fiberglass panel in most cases, and it’s not
> going to like it.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >> On Jul 14, 2024, at 12:02 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I think the answer is "no" but is there an effective DIY approach to
> dealing with a sagging headliner? In the past I've tried 3M sticky spray
> and it initially works but not for long.
> >>
> >> If not, what sort of shop do I look for? There's one shop locally that
> advertises repairs that are typically in the $250-$500 range.
> >>
> >> Car in question is my W211 E500. Headliner is not down but it's sagging
> over the rear window shelf and seat back area, it flaps around in the
> breeze if I have the rear windows open.
> >>
> >> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] This could be a good deal

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DG = DQ?

On Sun, Jul 14, 2024 at 1:16 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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> Actually I got here (actually to a DG about 1/4mi from where the car is)
> about an hour ago then the guy tells me he is on his way from Charlotte and
> had to feed a turtle or something. (YCMTSU) Apparently his son was handling
> the messages. so anyway I talked to him and I’m waiting for him, the car is
> at this property in the country he bought just down the road but there’s a
> locked gate. He should be here in 20min or so. Apparently the thing drives
> as he said he would drive it to the DG and meet me but I said I could go
> back to wherever it is. I’m in the GL so offroad time!
>
> He said a guy offered $3k sight unseen last night so I guess that’s my
> number. That’s what I was thinking anyway if it checks out.  I’ll have to
> figure out logistics of getting it from here to wherever, I don’t have the
> trailer with me.
>
> Turns out I’m only about 40mi from where my daughter lives, a drive
> through the country. There’s not a lot around here. The nearest little town
> is basically a shithole. I stopped at a ratty gas station convenience store
> to pee and get a drank, gave the woman a fidolla bill, she gave that back
> and dollar 36 change. Sigh. It took awhile to get her to understand why I
> was giving her the fiver and asking for a one. Sigh. The crackhead in there
> was all chatty though so there’s that. Friendly place!
>
> Adventures!
>
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
>
> > On Jul 14, 2024, at 11:50 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I believe he is enroute as we converse.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >> On Jul 14, 2024, at 8:06 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Good luck on your trip today…or how did it turn out?
> >>
> >> AZBob
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
>  On Jul 13, 2024, at 10:29 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Brilliant.
> >>>
>  On Sat, Jul 13, 2024 at 1:23 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  Thanks.
> 
>  I got the VIN from the guy and ran it on the MBUSA site.  Looks like
> all
>  these repairs were done last year 2/7/23 but he's saying DPF needs to
> be
>  cleaned.  The report says there is a warranty of 4yr 48kmi on the
>  repair, he says the car has 165,000 miles so that would still be
> covered
>  since the repairs were only 9kmi ago.  Weird, maybe he bought it after
>  the repairs were done and he is unaware or there is something else
> wrong
>  with it.  I'll take the computer and scan it and see what else pops up
>  for faults, but I would think with all this work the thing should be
> in
>  good shape.  From the pics it looks pretty nice.
> 
>  I'm going to drive up there and look at it tomorrow and see if I can
>  make a deal, maybe offer $3k, it was listed a week ago and I think he
>  dropped the price already.  It's not too far from Columbia, I'll check
>  with MBUSA on Monday and see if there is still coverage on it and if I
>  buy it get it to the stealer in Columbia which isn't too far and let
>  them deal with it under the warranty. Maybe they'll even send a
> flatbed
>  to pick it up!
> 
>  Hopes not too high but worth a little road trip, could turn out to be
> an
>  excellent deal.
> 
>  Has it here for $3500
>  https://offerup.com/item/detail/cb6d81b0-fb96-3061-99d2-2e562d0d6995
> 
>  hahaha I wonder if this is the same guy
> 
> 
> https://cabarrusnc.mugshots.zone/quartrone-gabriel-angelo-mugshot-04-30-2021/
> 
>  --FT
> 
> 
>  4JGBB25E19A522481 2009 Mercedes-Benz ML320
>  Status
>  Vehicle (VIN) Eligible for Emissions Modification?
>  Yes
>  Emissions Modification Approved by EPA and CARB?
>  Yes
> 
>  Emissions Modification Completed?
> 
>  Parts
>  Replaced
>  Software Update
>  NOx Sensor
>  DPF + DOC
>  SCR-Catalyst
>  Lambda Sensor
>  ECU
>  Crankcase Ventilation Valve
>  Charge Air Distribution Lines with Transverse Tubes
>  Intake Port Shutoff Actuator
>  Clean Air Duct with Mass Air Flow Sensors
>  EGR Valve with Cooler and Line
>  Yes
> 
>  Vehicle has Extended Emissions Warranty?
> 
>  This vehicle had an emission modification performed on 2023-02-07 and
>  mileage at 156515 miles. This vehicle has an extended warranty of 10
>  years/120,000 miles from the initial sale date or 4 years/48,000 miles
>  from the date of installation of the Emission Modification. Please
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Re: [MBZ] FBMPClown

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

At some point you have to realize he's not serious about selling the car.

Let it go, there are others out there.

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> I’m still attempting to get this clown to engage:
> 
> 442492614_122100670544337180_968688003151781952_n.jpg
> 2008 Mercedes-Benz M-Class · ML 320 CDI Sport Utility 4D 
> 
> facebook.com 
> 
> 
> He doesn’t answer question on condition. His only replies to me have been 
> “tomorrow” when I asked yesterday morning if I could see the car yesterday, 
> and then when I asked him what time he answered 9 hours later, “12pm”.  So I 
> instantly asked for a meeting place…..crickets. I asked three more times last 
> night and six times before 1100 today and no response. 
> This is the first 100% FBMP idiot I’ve dealt with. Guess I’ve been lucky.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] FBMPClown

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That’s pretty typical. I am convinced the IQ if the general population is greatly decreasing.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jul 14, 2024, at 3:28 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  wrote:I’m still attempting to get this clown to engage:<442492614_122100670544337180_968688003151781952_n.jpg>2008 Mercedes-Benz M-Class · ML 320 CDI Sport Utility 4Dfacebook.comHe doesn’t answer question on condition. His only replies to me have been “tomorrow” when I asked yesterday morning if I could see the car yesterday, and then when I asked him what time he answered 9 hours later, “12pm”.  So I instantly asked for a meeting place…..crickets. I asked three more times last night and six times before 1100 today and no response. This is the first 100% FBMP idiot I’ve dealt with. Guess I’ve been lucky.AZBobSent from my iPhone___http://www.okiebenz.comTo search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com___
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[MBZ] FBMPClown

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I’m still attempting to get this clown to engage:2008 Mercedes-Benz M-Class · ML 320 CDI Sport Utility 4Dfacebook.comHe doesn’t answer question on condition. His only replies to me have been “tomorrow” when I asked yesterday morning if I could see the car yesterday, and then when I asked him what time he answered 9 hours later, “12pm”.  So I instantly asked for a meeting place…..crickets. I asked three more times last night and six times before 1100 today and no response. This is the first 100% FBMP idiot I’ve dealt with. Guess I’ve been lucky.AZBobSent from my iPhone___
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Re: [MBZ] sagging headliner repair

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Older cars with headliners that were installed with bows.

-D

> On Jul 14, 2024, at 12:31 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> These are problems older cars never had.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 14, 2024, at 2:18 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> These:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> [41aGnOJcKrL._SR600,315_PIWhiteStrip,BottomLeft,0,35_PIStarRatingFOURANDHALF,BottomLeft,360,-6_SR600,315_ZA9%2C272,445,290,400,400,AmazonEmberBold,12,4,0,0,5_SCLZZZ_FMpng_BG255,255,255.jpg]
>> Attmu 50 Pcs Upholstery Tacks Headliner Pins Clear Heads Twist Pins for 
>> Slipcovers and Bedskirts, 0.5 Inches Bed Skirt 
>> Pins
>> amazon.com
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 14, 2024, at 12:07 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Very common in W210 and W211s, especially if they’ve lived in a hot climate.
>> 
>> I’ve seen people use the little “corkscrew” pins to hold it up, but 
>> remember, you’re poking into a fiberglass panel in most cases, and it’s not 
>> going to like it.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> On Jul 14, 2024, at 12:02 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I think the answer is "no" but is there an effective DIY approach to dealing 
>> with a sagging headliner? In the past I've tried 3M sticky spray and it 
>> initially works but not for long.
>> 
>> If not, what sort of shop do I look for? There's one shop locally that 
>> advertises repairs that are typically in the $250-$500 range.
>> 
>> Car in question is my W211 E500. Headliner is not down but it's sagging over 
>> the rear window shelf and seat back area, it flaps around in the breeze if I 
>> have the rear windows open.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] sagging headliner repair

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

These are problems older cars never had.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 14, 2024, at 2:18 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> These:
> 
> 
> 
> [41aGnOJcKrL._SR600,315_PIWhiteStrip,BottomLeft,0,35_PIStarRatingFOURANDHALF,BottomLeft,360,-6_SR600,315_ZA9%2C272,445,290,400,400,AmazonEmberBold,12,4,0,0,5_SCLZZZ_FMpng_BG255,255,255.jpg]
> Attmu 50 Pcs Upholstery Tacks Headliner Pins Clear Heads Twist Pins for 
> Slipcovers and Bedskirts, 0.5 Inches Bed Skirt 
> Pins
> amazon.com
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 14, 2024, at 12:07 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Very common in W210 and W211s, especially if they’ve lived in a hot climate.
> 
> I’ve seen people use the little “corkscrew” pins to hold it up, but remember, 
> you’re poking into a fiberglass panel in most cases, and it’s not going to 
> like it.
> 
> -D
> 
> On Jul 14, 2024, at 12:02 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think the answer is "no" but is there an effective DIY approach to dealing 
> with a sagging headliner? In the past I've tried 3M sticky spray and it 
> initially works but not for long.
> 
> If not, what sort of shop do I look for? There's one shop locally that 
> advertises repairs that are typically in the $250-$500 range.
> 
> Car in question is my W211 E500. Headliner is not down but it's sagging over 
> the rear window shelf and seat back area, it flaps around in the breeze if I 
> have the rear windows open.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] sagging headliner repair

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These:



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Attmu 50 Pcs Upholstery Tacks Headliner Pins Clear Heads Twist Pins for 
Slipcovers and Bedskirts, 0.5 Inches Bed Skirt 
Pins
amazon.com

-D



On Jul 14, 2024, at 12:07 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Very common in W210 and W211s, especially if they’ve lived in a hot climate.

I’ve seen people use the little “corkscrew” pins to hold it up, but remember, 
you’re poking into a fiberglass panel in most cases, and it’s not going to like 
it.

-D

On Jul 14, 2024, at 12:02 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes  
wrote:

I think the answer is "no" but is there an effective DIY approach to dealing 
with a sagging headliner? In the past I've tried 3M sticky spray and it 
initially works but not for long.

If not, what sort of shop do I look for? There's one shop locally that 
advertises repairs that are typically in the $250-$500 range.

Car in question is my W211 E500. Headliner is not down but it's sagging over 
the rear window shelf and seat back area, it flaps around in the breeze if I 
have the rear windows open.

Allan
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[MBZ] 2002 CL 500 - 128k miles -$4,500

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Looks nice enough, black/black and miles are pretty low. Coupe. Looks like it 
has an aftermarket audio head/screen unit.

https://stlouis.craigslist.org/cto/d/saint-charles-2002-mercedes-cl-500/7765946662.html

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Re: [MBZ] sagging headliner repair

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Very common in W210 and W211s, especially if they’ve lived in a hot climate.

I’ve seen people use the little “corkscrew” pins to hold it up, but remember, 
you’re poking into a fiberglass panel in most cases, and it’s not going to like 
it.

-D

> On Jul 14, 2024, at 12:02 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think the answer is "no" but is there an effective DIY approach to dealing 
> with a sagging headliner? In the past I've tried 3M sticky spray and it 
> initially works but not for long.
> 
> If not, what sort of shop do I look for? There's one shop locally that 
> advertises repairs that are typically in the $250-$500 range.
> 
> Car in question is my W211 E500. Headliner is not down but it's sagging over 
> the rear window shelf and seat back area, it flaps around in the breeze if I 
> have the rear windows open.
> 
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[MBZ] 1998 E430 - 229k miles -$4,500

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Looks pretty clean. Sunroof doesn't work, but as long as it doesn't leak that's 
not an issue in my book -- I never use them.

https://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/cto/d/darien-mercedes-benz-e430-sport/7765976088.html
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[MBZ] sagging headliner repair

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I think the answer is "no" but is there an effective DIY approach to dealing 
with a sagging headliner? In the past I've tried 3M sticky spray and it 
initially works but not for long.

If not, what sort of shop do I look for? There's one shop locally that 
advertises repairs that are typically in the $250-$500 range.

Car in question is my W211 E500. Headliner is not down but it's sagging over 
the rear window shelf and seat back area, it flaps around in the breeze if I 
have the rear windows open.

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Re: [MBZ] Undrcover

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I use a Coverking on my 300CD for Winter in driveway. don't drive it during
winter.

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> The Noahs are nice, but very pricey compared to everyone else, or so it
> seemed when I was shopping. I went with the SealSkin as I didn’t expect to
> have to use mine for more than a year.
>
> Thanks for sharing!
>
> -D
>
> > On Jul 14, 2024, at 9:08 AM, ned kleinhenz via Mercedes <
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> >
> > I have an old Bimmer Z3 Roadster that I have been covering outdoors for
> > most of each year for about 18 years now.  My family gave me a Noah (I
> > think I got that name correct) cover that lasted about 10 years before it
> > started to decay.  I replaced it with an identical one.  The newer one
> now
> > failed mostly because squirrels and other critters chewed and scratched
> big
> > holes in it.   This cover was a thick, moisture resistant fabric with a
> > very soft car-side surface.  All things considered it did an amazingly
> good
> > job of protecting the paint.  It breathed well enough that nothing
> rusted,
> > corroded or showed any type of water damage.  This car still has its
> > original 24 year old rag top.  Bird dropping seemed to be the most
> > detrimental element to the cover itself.  They stained and rotted it.  A
> > few times I laundered the covers in a large horizontal machine at a
> > laundromat, then air dried it.  It cleaned up nicely.  The Noah’s were
> > expensive, like $300 if I recall correctly.  I recently ordered a
> SealSkin
> > to replace it for about half that Noah price.  To be fair, I didn’t even
> > look up how much Noah’s now cost.  I just got an offer for a SealSkin and
> > ordered it.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] This could be a good deal

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Actually I got here (actually to a DG about 1/4mi from where the car is) about 
an hour ago then the guy tells me he is on his way from Charlotte and had to 
feed a turtle or something. (YCMTSU) Apparently his son was handling the 
messages. so anyway I talked to him and I’m waiting for him, the car is at this 
property in the country he bought just down the road but there’s a locked gate. 
He should be here in 20min or so. Apparently the thing drives as he said he 
would drive it to the DG and meet me but I said I could go back to wherever it 
is. I’m in the GL so offroad time!

He said a guy offered $3k sight unseen last night so I guess that’s my number. 
That’s what I was thinking anyway if it checks out.  I’ll have to figure out 
logistics of getting it from here to wherever, I don’t have the trailer with 
me. 

Turns out I’m only about 40mi from where my daughter lives, a drive through the 
country. There’s not a lot around here. The nearest little town is basically a 
shithole. I stopped at a ratty gas station convenience store to pee and get a 
drank, gave the woman a fidolla bill, she gave that back and dollar 36 change. 
Sigh. It took awhile to get her to understand why I was giving her the fiver 
and asking for a one. Sigh. The crackhead in there was all chatty though so 
there’s that. Friendly place!

Adventures!

--FT
Sent from iFōn

> On Jul 14, 2024, at 11:50 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I believe he is enroute as we converse.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jul 14, 2024, at 8:06 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Good luck on your trip today…or how did it turn out?
>> 
>> AZBob
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jul 13, 2024, at 10:29 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Brilliant.
>>> 
 On Sat, Jul 13, 2024 at 1:23 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 Thanks.
 
 I got the VIN from the guy and ran it on the MBUSA site.  Looks like all
 these repairs were done last year 2/7/23 but he's saying DPF needs to be
 cleaned.  The report says there is a warranty of 4yr 48kmi on the
 repair, he says the car has 165,000 miles so that would still be covered
 since the repairs were only 9kmi ago.  Weird, maybe he bought it after
 the repairs were done and he is unaware or there is something else wrong
 with it.  I'll take the computer and scan it and see what else pops up
 for faults, but I would think with all this work the thing should be in
 good shape.  From the pics it looks pretty nice.
 
 I'm going to drive up there and look at it tomorrow and see if I can
 make a deal, maybe offer $3k, it was listed a week ago and I think he
 dropped the price already.  It's not too far from Columbia, I'll check
 with MBUSA on Monday and see if there is still coverage on it and if I
 buy it get it to the stealer in Columbia which isn't too far and let
 them deal with it under the warranty. Maybe they'll even send a flatbed
 to pick it up!
 
 Hopes not too high but worth a little road trip, could turn out to be an
 excellent deal.
 
 Has it here for $3500
 https://offerup.com/item/detail/cb6d81b0-fb96-3061-99d2-2e562d0d6995
 
 hahaha I wonder if this is the same guy
 
 https://cabarrusnc.mugshots.zone/quartrone-gabriel-angelo-mugshot-04-30-2021/
 
 --FT
 
 
 4JGBB25E19A522481 2009 Mercedes-Benz ML320
 Status
 Vehicle (VIN) Eligible for Emissions Modification?
 Yes
 Emissions Modification Approved by EPA and CARB?
 Yes
 
 Emissions Modification Completed?
 
 Parts
 Replaced
 Software Update
 NOx Sensor
 DPF + DOC
 SCR-Catalyst
 Lambda Sensor
 ECU
 Crankcase Ventilation Valve
 Charge Air Distribution Lines with Transverse Tubes
 Intake Port Shutoff Actuator
 Clean Air Duct with Mass Air Flow Sensors
 EGR Valve with Cooler and Line
 Yes
 
 Vehicle has Extended Emissions Warranty?
 
 This vehicle had an emission modification performed on 2023-02-07 and
 mileage at 156515 miles. This vehicle has an extended warranty of 10
 years/120,000 miles from the initial sale date or 4 years/48,000 miles
 from the date of installation of the Emission Modification. Please call
 the Customer Assistance center at 833-841-9362 or your local Authorized
 Mercedes-Benz Dealer for information on your coverage. You can find
 additional information on the terms and covered components by clicking
 on the link below.
 
 EXTENDED MODIFICATION WARRANTY
 <
 https://bluetecupdate.mbusa.com/content/dam/bluetec-emp/documents/warranty/warranty-extension-covered-components.pdf
> 
 
 Yes
 
 
 This is the whole warranty statement:
 
 Extended Modification Warranty MY 2009-2016 OM642 and OM651 BlueTEC II
 Diesel Vehicles
 
 Mercedes-Benz U

Re: [MBZ] Undrcover

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

The Noahs are nice, but very pricey compared to everyone else, or so it seemed 
when I was shopping. I went with the SealSkin as I didn’t expect to have to use 
mine for more than a year.

Thanks for sharing!

-D

> On Jul 14, 2024, at 9:08 AM, ned kleinhenz via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have an old Bimmer Z3 Roadster that I have been covering outdoors for
> most of each year for about 18 years now.  My family gave me a Noah (I
> think I got that name correct) cover that lasted about 10 years before it
> started to decay.  I replaced it with an identical one.  The newer one now
> failed mostly because squirrels and other critters chewed and scratched big
> holes in it.   This cover was a thick, moisture resistant fabric with a
> very soft car-side surface.  All things considered it did an amazingly good
> job of protecting the paint.  It breathed well enough that nothing rusted,
> corroded or showed any type of water damage.  This car still has its
> original 24 year old rag top.  Bird dropping seemed to be the most
> detrimental element to the cover itself.  They stained and rotted it.  A
> few times I laundered the covers in a large horizontal machine at a
> laundromat, then air dried it.  It cleaned up nicely.  The Noah’s were
> expensive, like $300 if I recall correctly.  I recently ordered a SealSkin
> to replace it for about half that Noah price.  To be fair, I didn’t even
> look up how much Noah’s now cost.  I just got an offer for a SealSkin and
> ordered it.
> 
> 
> 
> Ned Kleinhenz
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Re: [MBZ] Undrcover

[ned kleinhenz via Mercedes]

I have an old Bimmer Z3 Roadster that I have been covering outdoors for
most of each year for about 18 years now.  My family gave me a Noah (I
think I got that name correct) cover that lasted about 10 years before it
started to decay.  I replaced it with an identical one.  The newer one now
failed mostly because squirrels and other critters chewed and scratched big
holes in it.   This cover was a thick, moisture resistant fabric with a
very soft car-side surface.  All things considered it did an amazingly good
job of protecting the paint.  It breathed well enough that nothing rusted,
corroded or showed any type of water damage.  This car still has its
original 24 year old rag top.  Bird dropping seemed to be the most
detrimental element to the cover itself.  They stained and rotted it.  A
few times I laundered the covers in a large horizontal machine at a
laundromat, then air dried it.  It cleaned up nicely.  The Noah’s were
expensive, like $300 if I recall correctly.  I recently ordered a SealSkin
to replace it for about half that Noah price.  To be fair, I didn’t even
look up how much Noah’s now cost.  I just got an offer for a SealSkin and
ordered it.



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Re: [MBZ] This could be a good deal

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

I believe he is enroute as we converse.

-D

> On Jul 14, 2024, at 8:06 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Good luck on your trip today…or how did it turn out?
> 
> AZBob
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 13, 2024, at 10:29 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Brilliant.
>> 
>>> On Sat, Jul 13, 2024 at 1:23 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> I got the VIN from the guy and ran it on the MBUSA site.  Looks like all
>>> these repairs were done last year 2/7/23 but he's saying DPF needs to be
>>> cleaned.  The report says there is a warranty of 4yr 48kmi on the
>>> repair, he says the car has 165,000 miles so that would still be covered
>>> since the repairs were only 9kmi ago.  Weird, maybe he bought it after
>>> the repairs were done and he is unaware or there is something else wrong
>>> with it.  I'll take the computer and scan it and see what else pops up
>>> for faults, but I would think with all this work the thing should be in
>>> good shape.  From the pics it looks pretty nice.
>>> 
>>> I'm going to drive up there and look at it tomorrow and see if I can
>>> make a deal, maybe offer $3k, it was listed a week ago and I think he
>>> dropped the price already.  It's not too far from Columbia, I'll check
>>> with MBUSA on Monday and see if there is still coverage on it and if I
>>> buy it get it to the stealer in Columbia which isn't too far and let
>>> them deal with it under the warranty. Maybe they'll even send a flatbed
>>> to pick it up!
>>> 
>>> Hopes not too high but worth a little road trip, could turn out to be an
>>> excellent deal.
>>> 
>>> Has it here for $3500
>>> https://offerup.com/item/detail/cb6d81b0-fb96-3061-99d2-2e562d0d6995
>>> 
>>> hahaha I wonder if this is the same guy
>>> 
>>> https://cabarrusnc.mugshots.zone/quartrone-gabriel-angelo-mugshot-04-30-2021/
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 4JGBB25E19A522481 2009 Mercedes-Benz ML320
>>> Status
>>> Vehicle (VIN) Eligible for Emissions Modification?
>>> Yes
>>> Emissions Modification Approved by EPA and CARB?
>>> Yes
>>> 
>>> Emissions Modification Completed?
>>> 
>>> Parts
>>> Replaced
>>> Software Update
>>> NOx Sensor
>>> DPF + DOC
>>> SCR-Catalyst
>>> Lambda Sensor
>>> ECU
>>> Crankcase Ventilation Valve
>>> Charge Air Distribution Lines with Transverse Tubes
>>> Intake Port Shutoff Actuator
>>> Clean Air Duct with Mass Air Flow Sensors
>>> EGR Valve with Cooler and Line
>>> Yes
>>> 
>>> Vehicle has Extended Emissions Warranty?
>>> 
>>> This vehicle had an emission modification performed on 2023-02-07 and
>>> mileage at 156515 miles. This vehicle has an extended warranty of 10
>>> years/120,000 miles from the initial sale date or 4 years/48,000 miles
>>> from the date of installation of the Emission Modification. Please call
>>> the Customer Assistance center at 833-841-9362 or your local Authorized
>>> Mercedes-Benz Dealer for information on your coverage. You can find
>>> additional information on the terms and covered components by clicking
>>> on the link below.
>>> 
>>> EXTENDED MODIFICATION WARRANTY
>>> <
>>> https://bluetecupdate.mbusa.com/content/dam/bluetec-emp/documents/warranty/warranty-extension-covered-components.pdf
 
>>> 
>>> Yes
>>> 
>>> 
>>> This is the whole warranty statement:
>>> 
>>> Extended Modification Warranty MY 2009-2016 OM642 and OM651 BlueTEC II
>>> Diesel Vehicles
>>> 
>>> Mercedes-Benz USA, LLC will provide an Extended Modification Warranty
>>> for each vehicle that has received the Approved Emission Modification.
>>> The Extended Modification Warranty period shall be the greater of: (i)
>>> 10 years from the date of initial sale or 120,000 miles on the odometer,
>>> whichever occurs first; or (ii) 4 years or 48,000 miles from the date of
>>> installation of the Approved Emission Modification, whichever occurs
>>> first. If an owner or lessee has already paid to a have a repair
>>> performed related to any of the components listed below prior to the
>>> effective date of this Extended Modification Warranty, those repairs are
>>> not eligible for reimbursement.
>>> 
>>> The Extended Modification Warranty coverage may be denied if an Eligible
>>> Vehicle has been altered with the use of any after-market emission
>>> related components, parts, and/or software, or with the removal of any
>>> original emission related components, parts, and/or software, and such
>>> alteration(s) are likely to substantially affect the operation of the
>>> vehicle with the Approved Emission Modification, until the owner of such
>>> vehicle, at his or her expense, has reversed the alteration(s) such that
>>> the Approved Emission Modification will not be substantially affected.
>>> 
>>> The Extended Modification Warranty will not cover:
>>> 
>>> *
>>> 
>>>    Any damage or malfunctions caused by the installation of non-EPA
>>>   or non-CARB certified emission related parts, including damage or
>>>   malfunction to parts needed for p

Re: [MBZ] This could be a good deal

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Good luck on your trip today…or how did it turn out?

AZBob

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 13, 2024, at 10:29 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Brilliant.
> 
>> On Sat, Jul 13, 2024 at 1:23 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> I got the VIN from the guy and ran it on the MBUSA site.  Looks like all
>> these repairs were done last year 2/7/23 but he's saying DPF needs to be
>> cleaned.  The report says there is a warranty of 4yr 48kmi on the
>> repair, he says the car has 165,000 miles so that would still be covered
>> since the repairs were only 9kmi ago.  Weird, maybe he bought it after
>> the repairs were done and he is unaware or there is something else wrong
>> with it.  I'll take the computer and scan it and see what else pops up
>> for faults, but I would think with all this work the thing should be in
>> good shape.  From the pics it looks pretty nice.
>> 
>> I'm going to drive up there and look at it tomorrow and see if I can
>> make a deal, maybe offer $3k, it was listed a week ago and I think he
>> dropped the price already.  It's not too far from Columbia, I'll check
>> with MBUSA on Monday and see if there is still coverage on it and if I
>> buy it get it to the stealer in Columbia which isn't too far and let
>> them deal with it under the warranty. Maybe they'll even send a flatbed
>> to pick it up!
>> 
>> Hopes not too high but worth a little road trip, could turn out to be an
>> excellent deal.
>> 
>> Has it here for $3500
>> https://offerup.com/item/detail/cb6d81b0-fb96-3061-99d2-2e562d0d6995
>> 
>> hahaha I wonder if this is the same guy
>> 
>> https://cabarrusnc.mugshots.zone/quartrone-gabriel-angelo-mugshot-04-30-2021/
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>> 
>> 4JGBB25E19A522481 2009 Mercedes-Benz ML320
>> Status
>> Vehicle (VIN) Eligible for Emissions Modification?
>> Yes
>> Emissions Modification Approved by EPA and CARB?
>> Yes
>> 
>> Emissions Modification Completed?
>> 
>> Parts
>> Replaced
>> Software Update
>> NOx Sensor
>> DPF + DOC
>> SCR-Catalyst
>> Lambda Sensor
>> ECU
>> Crankcase Ventilation Valve
>> Charge Air Distribution Lines with Transverse Tubes
>> Intake Port Shutoff Actuator
>> Clean Air Duct with Mass Air Flow Sensors
>> EGR Valve with Cooler and Line
>> Yes
>> 
>> Vehicle has Extended Emissions Warranty?
>> 
>> This vehicle had an emission modification performed on 2023-02-07 and
>> mileage at 156515 miles. This vehicle has an extended warranty of 10
>> years/120,000 miles from the initial sale date or 4 years/48,000 miles
>> from the date of installation of the Emission Modification. Please call
>> the Customer Assistance center at 833-841-9362 or your local Authorized
>> Mercedes-Benz Dealer for information on your coverage. You can find
>> additional information on the terms and covered components by clicking
>> on the link below.
>> 
>> EXTENDED MODIFICATION WARRANTY
>> <
>> https://bluetecupdate.mbusa.com/content/dam/bluetec-emp/documents/warranty/warranty-extension-covered-components.pdf
>>> 
>> 
>> Yes
>> 
>> 
>> This is the whole warranty statement:
>> 
>> Extended Modification Warranty MY 2009-2016 OM642 and OM651 BlueTEC II
>> Diesel Vehicles
>> 
>> Mercedes-Benz USA, LLC will provide an Extended Modification Warranty
>> for each vehicle that has received the Approved Emission Modification.
>> The Extended Modification Warranty period shall be the greater of: (i)
>> 10 years from the date of initial sale or 120,000 miles on the odometer,
>> whichever occurs first; or (ii) 4 years or 48,000 miles from the date of
>> installation of the Approved Emission Modification, whichever occurs
>> first. If an owner or lessee has already paid to a have a repair
>> performed related to any of the components listed below prior to the
>> effective date of this Extended Modification Warranty, those repairs are
>> not eligible for reimbursement.
>> 
>> The Extended Modification Warranty coverage may be denied if an Eligible
>> Vehicle has been altered with the use of any after-market emission
>> related components, parts, and/or software, or with the removal of any
>> original emission related components, parts, and/or software, and such
>> alteration(s) are likely to substantially affect the operation of the
>> vehicle with the Approved Emission Modification, until the owner of such
>> vehicle, at his or her expense, has reversed the alteration(s) such that
>> the Approved Emission Modification will not be substantially affected.
>> 
>> The Extended Modification Warranty will not cover:
>> 
>>  *
>> 
>> Any damage or malfunctions caused by the installation of non-EPA
>>or non-CARB certified emission related parts, including damage or
>>malfunction to parts needed for proper diagnosis of a covered part.
>> 
>>  *
>> 
>> Damage or malfunctions caused by or related to outside influence,
>>such as damage due to an accident, or vehicle misuse or neglect.
>> 
>>The Extended Modification Warranty 

Re: [MBZ] Local W108 in MD

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

I’ve owned several of the 6 cylinder W108s, and they were great cars. Never had 
a V8 version, never wanted one for just the reasons Jaime stated. That, and I 
suspect they’re tough to work on with the limited space in the engine 
compartment.

-D

> On Jul 14, 2024, at 5:11 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 108s are expensive to sort out, especially 4.5s.  They all need all the
> fuel hoses, timing chain, wiring harness repairs - none of these things
> impact the 6 cylinder cars.  Running 4.5s in nice cosmetic condition are
> worth mid to high teens, but often sell for more at auction.
> 
> I often recommend 6 cylinder cars over 4.5s, unless someone really wants
> the extra power and has the means to spend an extra $10-20k to sort out the
> car.
> 
> I have two 4.5s right now... gotta sell one at least
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Jul 13, 2024 at 4:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> What would a reasonable amount to pay for one in decent cosmetic shape
>> that might need some reasonable mechanical work? I would prefer a 4.5, I
>> think. I have never had a 108 aside from a few parts cars.  I know there is
>> some sort of issue with hydraulic suspension compensator something or other.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 13, 2024, at 2:41 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It’s likely more dependent on condition than anything else. Nice ones
>> are going to command big bucks, but maybe buyers are starting to realize
>> what a nightmare they can be to restore?
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Jul 13, 2024, at 9:25 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 I wish I would have bought one years ago when they were much cheaper.
>> According to some people, they say the demand and prices for them are
>> dropping like a rock. Anyone seeing that?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Jul 13, 2024, at 11:15 AM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> For perspective: my less-than-100k-original-miles California 1972 W108
> 280SEL 4.5 with original paint and no accidents, full leather interior,
> cost $3800 when I bought it in 2007.
> 
> I wouldn't drive it ONE FOOT before replacing all the rubber underhood
>> fuel
> injection hoses. Any D-Jetronic-equipped engine is a flamethrower
>> waiting
> to happen unless those hoses are serviceable.
> 
> 
>>> On Sat, Jul 13, 2024, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> If it were running and moving I might be tempted...
>> 
>> On Fri, Jul 12, 2024 at 8:45?PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> That doesn?t seem like a $4900 car even though it looks pretty nice.
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> Sent from iF?n
>>> 
 On Jul 12, 2024, at 8:15?PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 ?The seller writes:  "I don't have any time [to put the car in
>> running
 condition].  The car runs. Selling as is.  The engine turns.  Needs
>> new
 gas."
 
> On Fri, Jul 12, 2024 at 8:31?AM Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> All 108s, including 4.5s, could be had with leather and MB Tex.  I
>>> current
> own one of each with a 4.5, both short wheelbase.
> 
> Even a 250S could have leather.  Only exception might be the odd
>> ball
> 108.015 300SE? the steel sprung M189 powered car?. They might all
>> have
> leather.  I have one in the shop now, it?s quite a machine!
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
> Jaime Kopchinski
> https://classicworkshop.com/
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jul 11, 2024 at 4:45?PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I drove over to have a look. Rust issues  include gaping hole in
>> trunk
>> spare tire well, corroded battery tray, holes in rear of both
>> front
>> fenders.  Has been sitting in the sun so all door seals are
>> rotted.
> Still,
>> the interior is surprisingly fresh and there is no bad smell.
>> Owner
>> is
>> going to get it running but front right brake caliper is seized
>> so it
> must
>> be towed away.  Has been in same family for 30+ years and there
>> is a
> paper
>> trail + documents.  Biggest issue would probably be the rust,
>> assuming
> the
>> drive train checks out.
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Jul 11, 2024 at 10:07?AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I like that. Could be a nice rolling resto.
>>> 
>>> ?FT
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
 On Jul 10, 2024, 

Re: [MBZ] Local W108 in MD

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

108s are expensive to sort out, especially 4.5s.  They all need all the
fuel hoses, timing chain, wiring harness repairs - none of these things
impact the 6 cylinder cars.  Running 4.5s in nice cosmetic condition are
worth mid to high teens, but often sell for more at auction.

I often recommend 6 cylinder cars over 4.5s, unless someone really wants
the extra power and has the means to spend an extra $10-20k to sort out the
car.

I have two 4.5s right now... gotta sell one at least

Jaime


On Sat, Jul 13, 2024 at 4:11 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> What would a reasonable amount to pay for one in decent cosmetic shape
> that might need some reasonable mechanical work? I would prefer a 4.5, I
> think. I have never had a 108 aside from a few parts cars.  I know there is
> some sort of issue with hydraulic suspension compensator something or other.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 13, 2024, at 2:41 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > It’s likely more dependent on condition than anything else. Nice ones
> are going to command big bucks, but maybe buyers are starting to realize
> what a nightmare they can be to restore?
> >
> > -D
> >
> >> On Jul 13, 2024, at 9:25 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I wish I would have bought one years ago when they were much cheaper.
> According to some people, they say the demand and prices for them are
> dropping like a rock. Anyone seeing that?
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
>  On Jul 13, 2024, at 11:15 AM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> For perspective: my less-than-100k-original-miles California 1972 W108
> >>> 280SEL 4.5 with original paint and no accidents, full leather interior,
> >>> cost $3800 when I bought it in 2007.
> >>>
> >>> I wouldn't drive it ONE FOOT before replacing all the rubber underhood
> fuel
> >>> injection hoses. Any D-Jetronic-equipped engine is a flamethrower
> waiting
> >>> to happen unless those hoses are serviceable.
> >>>
> >>>
> > On Sat, Jul 13, 2024, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> 
> 
>  If it were running and moving I might be tempted...
> 
>  On Fri, Jul 12, 2024 at 8:45?PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > That doesn?t seem like a $4900 car even though it looks pretty nice.
> >
> > --FT
> > Sent from iF?n
> >
> >> On Jul 12, 2024, at 8:15?PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?The seller writes:  "I don't have any time [to put the car in
> running
> >> condition].  The car runs. Selling as is.  The engine turns.  Needs
> new
> >> gas."
> >>
> >>> On Fri, Jul 12, 2024 at 8:31?AM Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> All 108s, including 4.5s, could be had with leather and MB Tex.  I
> > current
> >>> own one of each with a 4.5, both short wheelbase.
> >>>
> >>> Even a 250S could have leather.  Only exception might be the odd
> ball
> >>> 108.015 300SE? the steel sprung M189 powered car?. They might all
> have
> >>> leather.  I have one in the shop now, it?s quite a machine!
> >>>
> >>> Jaime
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Jaime Kopchinski
> >>> https://classicworkshop.com/
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Jul 11, 2024 at 4:45?PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
>  I drove over to have a look. Rust issues  include gaping hole in
>  trunk
>  spare tire well, corroded battery tray, holes in rear of both
> front
>  fenders.  Has been sitting in the sun so all door seals are
> rotted.
> >>> Still,
>  the interior is surprisingly fresh and there is no bad smell.
> Owner
>  is
>  going to get it running but front right brake caliper is seized
> so it
> >>> must
>  be towed away.  Has been in same family for 30+ years and there
> is a
> >>> paper
>  trail + documents.  Biggest issue would probably be the rust,
>  assuming
> >>> the
>  drive train checks out.
> 
> 
>  On Thu, Jul 11, 2024 at 10:07?AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > I like that. Could be a nice rolling resto.
> >
> > ?FT
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >> On Jul 10, 2024, at 4:47 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?Might be worth a look.  Red interior is special, although the
>  engine
>  bay
> >> seems quite corroded.  Thoughts?
> >>
> >
> 
> >>>
> >
> 
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