Re: [MBZ] 123 with OM603 Was: It's Raining W123s

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Well mine has 268k miles & head has never been off.
YMMV

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On Nov 26, 2016 9:02 PM, "Max Dillon via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> I've heard of several 602's with cracked heads, so they are not immune.
> --
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> On November 26, 2016 7:32:02 PM EST, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >602 was a time bomb?
> >I thought only the 603s cracked heads?
> >Mitch.
> >
> >> On November 26, 2016 at 9:00 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> It was an easy car to drive.  No time bombs, thank you.  I wouldn’t
> >have
> >> gotten a good night’s sleep with that car around.  I would have been
> >waiting
> >> for it to grenade.
> >>
> >> I will say that if I look for a car for one of the boys in the future
> >it will
> >> be a W124 diesel.  They seem like a good compromise between more
> >modern and
> >> complex chassis’ and the efficiency of an older diesel platform.
> >>
> >> Dan
> >>
> >>
> >> > On Nov 26, 2016, at 8:54 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
> >> >  wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I think I prefer the 602 over the non turbo 606 in the 124. It gets
> >better
> >> > mileage for sure. Poos should have kept that one he had.
> >> >
> >> > Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] 123 with OM603 Was: It's Raining W123s

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I've heard of several 602's with cracked heads, so they are not immune.
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On November 26, 2016 7:32:02 PM EST, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>602 was a time bomb?
>I thought only the 603s cracked heads?
>Mitch. 
>
>> On November 26, 2016 at 9:00 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> It was an easy car to drive.  No time bombs, thank you.  I wouldn’t
>have
>> gotten a good night’s sleep with that car around.  I would have been
>waiting
>> for it to grenade.
>> 
>> I will say that if I look for a car for one of the boys in the future
>it will
>> be a W124 diesel.  They seem like a good compromise between more
>modern and
>> complex chassis’ and the efficiency of an older diesel platform.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>> > On Nov 26, 2016, at 8:54 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
>> >  wrote:
>> > 
>> > I think I prefer the 602 over the non turbo 606 in the 124. It gets
>better
>> > mileage for sure. Poos should have kept that one he had.
>> > 
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> > 
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Re: [MBZ] 123 with OM603 Was: It's Raining W123s

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

602 was a time bomb?
I thought only the 603s cracked heads?
Mitch. 

> On November 26, 2016 at 9:00 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> It was an easy car to drive.  No time bombs, thank you.  I wouldn’t have
> gotten a good night’s sleep with that car around.  I would have been waiting
> for it to grenade.
> 
> I will say that if I look for a car for one of the boys in the future it will
> be a W124 diesel.  They seem like a good compromise between more modern and
> complex chassis’ and the efficiency of an older diesel platform.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> > On Nov 26, 2016, at 8:54 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > I think I prefer the 602 over the non turbo 606 in the 124. It gets better
> > mileage for sure. Poos should have kept that one he had.
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
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Re: [MBZ] 123 with OM603 Was: It's Raining W123s

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Amen!

On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 8:03 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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> OM603.961 is preferable over both.
>

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Re: [MBZ] 123 with OM603 Was: It's Raining W123s

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OM603.961 is preferable over both.


Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
November 26, 2016 at 7:54 AM
I think I prefer the 602 over the non turbo 606 in the 124. It gets 
better mileage for sure. Poos should have kept that one he had.


Sent from my iPhone




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Re: [MBZ] 123 with OM603 Was: It's Raining W123s

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It was an easy car to drive.  No time bombs, thank you.  I wouldn’t have gotten 
a good night’s sleep with that car around.  I would have been waiting for it to 
grenade.

I will say that if I look for a car for one of the boys in the future it will 
be a W124 diesel.  They seem like a good compromise between more modern and 
complex chassis’ and the efficiency of an older diesel platform.

Dan


> On Nov 26, 2016, at 8:54 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think I prefer the 602 over the non turbo 606 in the 124. It gets better 
> mileage for sure. Poos should have kept that one he had.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 


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Re: [MBZ] 123 with OM603 Was: It's Raining W123s

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I think I prefer the 602 over the non turbo 606 in the 124. It gets better 
mileage for sure. Poos should have kept that one he had.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 26, 2016, at 7:03 AM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I agree Curt. The 602 is an awesome engine.
> 
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> On Nov 25, 2016 5:24 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
> 
>> Even a 602 produces the same power as a 617, starts easier in the winter,
>> uses less fuel and is so much more refined.
>> I was talking with a guy about an early Blazer with a dead engine and
>> thinking a 602 turned up a little might make a nice transplant...
>> Curt
>> 
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>>  On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 12:37 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes<
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> Has anyone seen an OM603 in a 123?  have the crazy Finns done it?  That
>> 240D in need of an engine is interesting, but I don't have a spare
>> OM616/617.  A 240D 3.0 is much more desirable than a 123 300D (US).  A
>> 240D 3.0 with an OM603 is in some ways theoretically better than with an
>> OM617.  I have spare OM603, no spare 616 without overhaul, and no 617
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Re: [MBZ] 123 with OM603 Was: It's Raining W123s

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

I agree Curt. The 602 is an awesome engine.

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2005 E320 4 matic
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On Nov 25, 2016 5:24 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Even a 602 produces the same power as a 617, starts easier in the winter,
> uses less fuel and is so much more refined.
> I was talking with a guy about an early Blazer with a dead engine and
> thinking a 602 turned up a little might make a nice transplant...
> Curt
>
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>   On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 12:37 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> Has anyone seen an OM603 in a 123?  have the crazy Finns done it?  That
> 240D in need of an engine is interesting, but I don't have a spare
> OM616/617.  A 240D 3.0 is much more desirable than a 123 300D (US).  A
> 240D 3.0 with an OM603 is in some ways theoretically better than with an
> OM617.  I have spare OM603, no spare 616 without overhaul, and no 617
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Re: [MBZ] 123 with OM603 Was: It's Raining W123s

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Even a 602 produces the same power as a 617, starts easier in the winter, uses 
less fuel and is so much more refined.
I was talking with a guy about an early Blazer with a dead engine and thinking 
a 602 turned up a little might make a nice transplant...
Curt

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  On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 12:37 AM, Curley McLain via 
Mercedes wrote:   
Has anyone seen an OM603 in a 123?  have the crazy Finns done it?  That 
240D in need of an engine is interesting, but I don't have a spare 
OM616/617.  A 240D 3.0 is much more desirable than a 123 300D (US).  A 
240D 3.0 with an OM603 is in some ways theoretically better than with an 
OM617.  I have spare OM603, no spare 616 without overhaul, and no 617

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Re: [MBZ] 123 with OM603 Was: It's Raining W123s

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

It looks like the usual problems like putting a MB engine into a shovey 
pickup, or SBC into a jag-U-wire.


Problems with linkages, motor mounts, trans mount, driveshaft, exhaust, 
intake etc.


It is not a direct bolt in.

From STD post:
-Making own engine mounts
needed a different trans crossmember
-Taking a front drive shaft from om617 because its the shortest and it 
works perfectly no imbalance, you can also send it to a shop to get it 
shortened but its not needed.
-Drilling new holes for the new Gear linkage/shift linkage and you have 
to modify them a bit making them longer.

-W124 gearbox fits good after switching output shaft



Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
November 25, 2016 at 8:14 AM
Lots of people have done this... look online.

For the effort, I think a 606 would be better. Or an M104.

Jaime



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Re: [MBZ] 123 with OM603 Was: It's Raining W123s

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Stock OM603 has plenty of power to propel a 123.123 to speeds well in 
excess of legal.   The 10 HP boost from swapping an OM616 for the OM621 
in a 110.110.10 makes a huge difference.


I did find a 602 crazy finn and a 123 with OM603 finn on Rolf's 
Superturbodiesel forum.

Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
November 25, 2016 at 8:25 AM
How many dependable horsepower is a turbo M104 good for?
I was planning on about 200-250 from OM602 when I though about doing 
it ten
years ago (I have a 2005 E320 CDI turbocharger, and one of the leading 
Finns at
the time told me that turbo could only flow about 250hp worth, I just 
wanted to
beat the 2.3-16), the black smokescreen crowd is now claiming around 
500-600
from 603s but I doubt those cars will go another 200k without another 
engine

swap.

Mitch.




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Re: [MBZ] 123 with OM603 Was: It's Raining W123s

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

How many dependable horsepower is a turbo M104 good for?
I was planning on about 200-250 from OM602 when I though about doing it ten
years ago (I have a 2005 E320 CDI turbocharger, and one of the leading Finns at
the time told me that turbo could only flow about 250hp worth, I just wanted to
beat the 2.3-16), the black smokescreen crowd is now claiming around 500-600
from 603s but I doubt those cars will go another 200k without another engine
swap. 

Mitch. 

> On November 25, 2016 at 9:14 AM Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Lots of people have done this... look online.
> 
> For the effort, I think a 606 would be better. Or an M104.

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Re: [MBZ] 123 with OM603 Was: It's Raining W123s

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

Lots of people have done this... look online.

For the effort, I think a 606 would be better. Or an M104.

Jaime

On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 12:37 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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>
> Has anyone seen an OM603 in a 123?  have the crazy Finns done it?   That
> 240D in need of an engine is interesting, but I don't have a spare
> OM616/617.  A 240D 3.0 is much more desirable than a 123 300D (US).  A
> 240D 3.0 with an OM603 is in some ways theoretically better than with an
> OM617.   I have spare OM603, no spare 616 without overhaul, and no 617
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Re: [MBZ] 123 with OM603 Was: It's Raining W123s

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Just because no one else has seen one doesn't mean that you shouldn't do
it. Go for it!

On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 11:37 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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>
> Has anyone seen an OM603 in a 123?  have the crazy Finns done it?   That
> 240D in need of an engine is interesting, but I don't have a spare
> OM616/617.  A 240D 3.0 is much more desirable than a 123 300D (US).  A 240D
> 3.0 with an OM603 is in some ways theoretically better than with an OM617.
>  I have spare OM603, no spare 616 without overhaul, and no 617
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Has anyone seen an OM603 in a 123?  have the crazy Finns done it?   That 
240D in need of an engine is interesting, but I don't have a spare 
OM616/617.  A 240D 3.0 is much more desirable than a 123 300D (US).  A 
240D 3.0 with an OM603 is in some ways theoretically better than with an 
OM617.   I have spare OM603, no spare 616 without overhaul, and no 617


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