Re: [MBZ] 240D rehab/clutch
Max Dillon via Mercedes writes: > The idea of that hook is, I think, to engage the clutch so the clutch > disk is not touching the fly wheel or pressure plate, so they can't > rust together. Yes, in that situation it makes sense. I misread earlier. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D rehab/clutch
The problem is the clutch plate rusting and freezing to the pressure plate and flywheel. Depending on location it is not unusual for tractors to set idle for many months. On Mon, May 18, 2020, 11:28 Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: > Scott Ritchey via Mercedes writes: > > > Many tractors have a hook to hold the clutch pedal in the down > > position and disengage the clutch during long-idle periods. These, of > > course, have mechanical linkages. > > Why not just put it in neutral and save the wear on the throwout > bearing? > > Allan > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D rehab/clutch
The idea of that hook is, I think, to engage the clutch so the clutch disk is not touching the fly wheel or pressure plate, so they can't rust together. Max Dillon Charleston SC May 18, 2020 5:17:07 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes : > I may have misunderstood, on first read I thought he was saying you > > could hook the clutch pedal down while the tractor was idling for a long > > time. > > > But to hook it down while the tractor *is idle* (i.e. not running) is > > probably what was meant, now that I read it again, and that makes more > > sense than my initial interpretation. > > > Allan > > > Max Dillon via Mercedes writes: > > > > > > >Neutral is a transmission internal condition. Clutch in or out is > > at the fly wheel / clutch disc / pressure plate, which is between engine > > and transmission. > > > > > > Max Dillon > > > > Charleston SC > > > > May 18, 2020 11:28:22 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes : > > > > > > > > > > > > > Scott Ritchey via Mercedes writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many tractors have a hook to hold the clutch pedal in > > > > the down > > > > > > > > > > > > position and disengage the clutch during long-idle periods. > > > > These, of > > > > > > > > > > > > course, have mechanical linkages. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why not just put it in neutral and save the wear on the > > > throwout > > > > > > > > >bearing? > > > > > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > > > > > >http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > > > > > > >http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Allan Streib > > Indiana University > > Luddy School of Informatics, Computing, and Engineering > > Digital Science Center | Intelligent Systems Engineering | FutureSystems > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D rehab/clutch
I may have misunderstood, on first read I thought he was saying you could hook the clutch pedal down while the tractor was idling for a long time. But to hook it down while the tractor *is idle* (i.e. not running) is probably what was meant, now that I read it again, and that makes more sense than my initial interpretation. Allan Max Dillon via Mercedes writes: > Neutral is a transmission internal condition. Clutch in or out is at the fly > wheel / clutch disc / pressure plate, which is between engine and > transmission. > > Max Dillon > Charleston SC > May 18, 2020 11:28:22 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes : > >> Scott Ritchey via Mercedes writes: >> >> >> >> >> >> >Many tractors have a hook to hold the clutch pedal in the down >> > >> > position and disengage the clutch during long-idle periods. These, of >> > >> > course, have mechanical linkages. >> > >> > >> > >> >> Why not just put it in neutral and save the wear on the throwout >> >> bearing? >> >> >> Allan >> >> >> ___ >> >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- Allan Streib Indiana University Luddy School of Informatics, Computing, and Engineering Digital Science Center | Intelligent Systems Engineering | FutureSystems ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D rehab/clutch
Neutral is a transmission internal condition. Clutch in or out is at the fly wheel / clutch disc / pressure plate, which is between engine and transmission. Max Dillon Charleston SC May 18, 2020 11:28:22 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes : > Scott Ritchey via Mercedes writes: > > > > > > >Many tractors have a hook to hold the clutch pedal in the down > > > > position and disengage the clutch during long-idle periods. These, of > > > > course, have mechanical linkages. > > > > > > > > Why not just put it in neutral and save the wear on the throwout > > bearing? > > > Allan > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D rehab/clutch
Scott Ritchey via Mercedes writes: > Many tractors have a hook to hold the clutch pedal in the down > position and disengage the clutch during long-idle periods. These, of > course, have mechanical linkages. Why not just put it in neutral and save the wear on the throwout bearing? Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D rehab/clutch
> Many tractors have a hook to hold the clutch pedal in the down position... Or a hand-operated clutch, like the Minneapolis Moline. You could tie a rope to it, and yourself, so that if you fell off the back it'd stop the machine. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D rehab/clutch
Many tractors have a hook to hold the clutch pedal in the down position and disengage the clutch during long-idle periods. These, of course, have mechanical linkages. > -Original Message- > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK > Don via Mercedes > Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2020 1:03 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Cc: OK Don > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D rehab/clutch > > Ah - true! I'd forgotten that little detail. > > On Sun, May 17, 2020 at 10:40 AM MG via Mercedes > > wrote: > > > If the car hasn't been used for a long time it may be that the disk is > > rusted to the flywheel. That has happened more then once on some cars > > I have had. > > > > If you can start it in gear you should be able to break it loose by > > sudden acceleration deceleration while holding the clutch down. > > > > MG > > > > > -- > OK Don > > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause > and reflect." Mark Twain > > “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” > Wernher Von Braun > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D rehab/clutch
Ah - true! I'd forgotten that little detail. On Sun, May 17, 2020 at 10:40 AM MG via Mercedes wrote: > If the car hasn't been used for a long time it may be > that the disk is rusted to the flywheel. That has > happened more then once on some cars I have had. > > If you can start it in gear you should be able to break > it loose by sudden acceleration deceleration while > holding the clutch down. > > MG > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D rehab/clutch
If the car hasn't been used for a long time it may be that the disk is rusted to the flywheel. That has happened more then once on some cars I have had. If you can start it in gear you should be able to break it loose by sudden acceleration deceleration while holding the clutch down. MG Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: Yea but in this case noting does happen, can’t shift it into gear. Sent from my iPhone On May 16, 2020, at 5:02 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes wrote: When the clutches are really good, pressing the pedal does feel like nothing is connected. If the pedal comes back up when you push it down, that’s a really good sign. Jaime On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 5:07 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: Got this 81 240D moved into the shop and jacked up. I examined the underside and discovered it’s going to need all the typical 123 front end work. Will need ball joints, tie rods, and control arm bushings for sure. Have not looked at the upper control arms yet. Basically I probably need to just redo the entire front end. Also needs at least a front flex disk and center support. Moved on to the clutch. I hooked my pressure bleeder up to the brake reservoir then opened the bleeder on the slave cylinder and got a good steady stream of fluid out, no bubbles. Let it run for a while. Does this mean my issue is not air on the system? When pressing the clutch it pushed down and comes right back up but does not feel like it is actually doing doing anything. I pulled the under dash cover and nothing is disconnected there. How do I go about figuring out what the actual issue is as far as if it’s a master cylinder issue, slave cylinder or something else? I want to get the clutch fixed first so I can at least move the car around. After I do that the next priority is getting the lift going because I do not want to do all this front end and driveshaft working laying on my back under the car. Screw that. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D rehab/clutch
> OK wrote: > ah, grasshopper. Did no one teach you to drive a manual without > a clutch?? > You have to "match shift" going up and down the gears - match > the engine speed as closely as you can to the next gear - With the synchromesh it's easy. The shifter won't move into the next gate until the speeds match. Just apply a bit of pressure until it moves, then snap it into gear. > I learned this way back when - the clutch cable in my 1951 VW > broke while I was on the other side of town - figured it out and > drove home without incident. It helped that this tranny had NO > synchromesh - Without synchromesh, the shifts can be faster because the matching speed can be anticipated just a bit. But it's also a lot easier to miss and make a lot of noise. "Just lightening the truck a bit by taking some metal off the gears." With 7 (rare) 9, 10, 13, 15, or 18 speed transmissions there is lots of opportunity to practice. Truck driver call this clutch-less shifting "floating" and many, many of them do it. Most truck still use manual transmissions without synchromsh - but that is changing... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D rehab/clutch
> learned to drive without a clutch - just in case. I've done it, in the Falcon. Also learned to drive without brakes! (That one, 'live'.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D rehab/clutch
PS - all my kids who learned to drive a manual tranny (3 of the 4) learned to drive without a clutch - just in case. No sense being stranded somewhere because you don't know how to drive it ... On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 6:51 PM OK Don wrote: > ah, grasshopper. Did no one teach you to drive a manual without a clutch??? > It can be done, but requires a good battery and starter. > You basically start the car in gear - 1st of reverse as desired. > You can pop it out of gear with little throttle applied, and stop with the > brakes as usual. > You have to "match shift" going up and down the gears - match the engine > speed as closely as you can to the next gear - either up or down. > > I learned this way back when - the clutch cable in my 1951 VW broke while > I was on the other side of town - figured it out and drove home without > incident. It helped that this tranny had NO synchromesh - VW hadn;t figured > that out yet, so I used to matching the RPM's/gears anyway. > > The technique works even better with an MB tranny - so smooth either with > or without the clutch. > > On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 5:07 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> Yea but in this case noting does happen, can’t shift it into gear. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On May 16, 2020, at 5:02 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> > >> > When the clutches are really good, pressing the pedal does feel like >> > nothing is connected. If the pedal comes back up when you push it down, >> > that’s a really good sign. >> > >> > Jaime >> > >> > >> >> On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 5:07 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < >> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> Got this 81 240D moved into the shop and jacked up. I examined the >> >> underside and discovered it’s going to need all the typical 123 front >> end >> >> work. Will need ball joints, tie rods, and control arm bushings for >> sure. >> >> Have not looked at the upper control arms yet. Basically I probably >> need to >> >> just redo the entire front end. Also needs at least a front flex disk >> and >> >> center support. Moved on to the clutch. I hooked my pressure bleeder >> up to >> >> the brake reservoir then opened the bleeder on the slave cylinder and >> got a >> >> good steady stream of fluid out, no bubbles. Let it run for a while. >> Does >> >> this mean my issue is not air on the system? When pressing the clutch >> it >> >> pushed down and comes right back up but does not feel like it is >> actually >> >> doing doing anything. I pulled the under dash cover and nothing is >> >> disconnected there. How do I go about figuring out what the actual >> issue is >> >> as far as if it’s a master cylinder issue, slave cylinder or something >> else? >> >> >> >> I want to get the clutch fixed first so I can at least move the car >> >> around. After I do that the next priority is getting the lift going >> because >> >> I do not want to do all this front end and driveshaft working laying >> on my >> >> back under the car. Screw that. >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> >> -- >> > Jaime Kopchinski >> > http://www.jaimekop.com/ >> > ___ >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > >> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > > -- > OK Don > > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to > pause and reflect." Mark Twain > > “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher > Von Braun > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D rehab/clutch
Last time a 240D didn’t switch into gear for me it was a slave cylinder. Cheap and easy repair. Sent from my iPhone > On May 16, 2020, at 6:07 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > Yea but in this case noting does happen, can’t shift it into gear. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 16, 2020, at 5:02 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> When the clutches are really good, pressing the pedal does feel like >> nothing is connected. If the pedal comes back up when you push it down, >> that’s a really good sign. >> >> Jaime >> >> >>> On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 5:07 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> >>> Got this 81 240D moved into the shop and jacked up. I examined the >>> underside and discovered it’s going to need all the typical 123 front end >>> work. Will need ball joints, tie rods, and control arm bushings for sure. >>> Have not looked at the upper control arms yet. Basically I probably need to >>> just redo the entire front end. Also needs at least a front flex disk and >>> center support. Moved on to the clutch. I hooked my pressure bleeder up to >>> the brake reservoir then opened the bleeder on the slave cylinder and got a >>> good steady stream of fluid out, no bubbles. Let it run for a while. Does >>> this mean my issue is not air on the system? When pressing the clutch it >>> pushed down and comes right back up but does not feel like it is actually >>> doing doing anything. I pulled the under dash cover and nothing is >>> disconnected there. How do I go about figuring out what the actual issue is >>> as far as if it’s a master cylinder issue, slave cylinder or something else? >>> >>> I want to get the clutch fixed first so I can at least move the car >>> around. After I do that the next priority is getting the lift going because >>> I do not want to do all this front end and driveshaft working laying on my >>> back under the car. Screw that. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> -- >> Jaime Kopchinski >> http://www.jaimekop.com/ >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D rehab/clutch
ah, grasshopper. Did no one teach you to drive a manual without a clutch??? It can be done, but requires a good battery and starter. You basically start the car in gear - 1st of reverse as desired. You can pop it out of gear with little throttle applied, and stop with the brakes as usual. You have to "match shift" going up and down the gears - match the engine speed as closely as you can to the next gear - either up or down. I learned this way back when - the clutch cable in my 1951 VW broke while I was on the other side of town - figured it out and drove home without incident. It helped that this tranny had NO synchromesh - VW hadn;t figured that out yet, so I used to matching the RPM's/gears anyway. The technique works even better with an MB tranny - so smooth either with or without the clutch. On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 5:07 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Yea but in this case noting does happen, can’t shift it into gear. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 16, 2020, at 5:02 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > When the clutches are really good, pressing the pedal does feel like > > nothing is connected. If the pedal comes back up when you push it down, > > that’s a really good sign. > > > > Jaime > > > > > >> On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 5:07 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> Got this 81 240D moved into the shop and jacked up. I examined the > >> underside and discovered it’s going to need all the typical 123 front > end > >> work. Will need ball joints, tie rods, and control arm bushings for > sure. > >> Have not looked at the upper control arms yet. Basically I probably > need to > >> just redo the entire front end. Also needs at least a front flex disk > and > >> center support. Moved on to the clutch. I hooked my pressure bleeder up > to > >> the brake reservoir then opened the bleeder on the slave cylinder and > got a > >> good steady stream of fluid out, no bubbles. Let it run for a while. > Does > >> this mean my issue is not air on the system? When pressing the clutch it > >> pushed down and comes right back up but does not feel like it is > actually > >> doing doing anything. I pulled the under dash cover and nothing is > >> disconnected there. How do I go about figuring out what the actual > issue is > >> as far as if it’s a master cylinder issue, slave cylinder or something > else? > >> > >> I want to get the clutch fixed first so I can at least move the car > >> around. After I do that the next priority is getting the lift going > because > >> I do not want to do all this front end and driveshaft working laying on > my > >> back under the car. Screw that. > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> -- > > Jaime Kopchinski > > http://www.jaimekop.com/ > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D rehab/clutch
So basically I need to get under the car and open the bleed screw while having somebody push the pedal to see if I get pressure? I assume it I do then they points to dead slave cylinder. If not then dead master cylinder? Sent from my iPhone > On May 16, 2020, at 4:36 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > I'd guess the slave cylinder is dead. When you press the pedal in, do you > get pressure (fluid output) at the slave bleeder? If yes, the slave cylinder > is probably dead. > > Max Dillon > Charleston SC > May 16, 2020 5:07:28 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes : > >> Got this 81 240D moved into the shop and jacked up. I examined the >> underside and discovered it’s going to need all the typical 123 front end >> work. Will need ball joints, tie rods, and control arm bushings for sure. >> Have not looked at the upper control arms yet. Basically I probably need to >> just redo the entire front end. Also needs at least a front flex disk and >> center support. Moved on to the clutch. I hooked my pressure bleeder up to >> the brake reservoir then opened the bleeder on the slave cylinder and got a >> good steady stream of fluid out, no bubbles. Let it run for a while. Does >> this mean my issue is not air on the system? When pressing the clutch it >> pushed down and comes right back up but does not feel like it is actually >> doing doing anything. I pulled the under dash cover and nothing is >> disconnected there. How do I go about figuring out what the actual issue is >> as far as if it’s a master cylinder issue, slave cylinder or something else? >> >> >> I want to get the clutch fixed first so I can at least move the car >> around. After I do that the next priority is getting the lift going because >> I do not want to do all this front end and driveshaft working laying on my >> back under the car. Screw that. >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> ___ >> >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D rehab/clutch
Yea but in this case noting does happen, can’t shift it into gear. Sent from my iPhone > On May 16, 2020, at 5:02 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes > wrote: > > When the clutches are really good, pressing the pedal does feel like > nothing is connected. If the pedal comes back up when you push it down, > that’s a really good sign. > > Jaime > > >> On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 5:07 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> Got this 81 240D moved into the shop and jacked up. I examined the >> underside and discovered it’s going to need all the typical 123 front end >> work. Will need ball joints, tie rods, and control arm bushings for sure. >> Have not looked at the upper control arms yet. Basically I probably need to >> just redo the entire front end. Also needs at least a front flex disk and >> center support. Moved on to the clutch. I hooked my pressure bleeder up to >> the brake reservoir then opened the bleeder on the slave cylinder and got a >> good steady stream of fluid out, no bubbles. Let it run for a while. Does >> this mean my issue is not air on the system? When pressing the clutch it >> pushed down and comes right back up but does not feel like it is actually >> doing doing anything. I pulled the under dash cover and nothing is >> disconnected there. How do I go about figuring out what the actual issue is >> as far as if it’s a master cylinder issue, slave cylinder or something else? >> >> I want to get the clutch fixed first so I can at least move the car >> around. After I do that the next priority is getting the lift going because >> I do not want to do all this front end and driveshaft working laying on my >> back under the car. Screw that. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> -- > Jaime Kopchinski > http://www.jaimekop.com/ > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D rehab/clutch
When the clutches are really good, pressing the pedal does feel like nothing is connected. If the pedal comes back up when you push it down, that’s a really good sign. Jaime On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 5:07 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Got this 81 240D moved into the shop and jacked up. I examined the > underside and discovered it’s going to need all the typical 123 front end > work. Will need ball joints, tie rods, and control arm bushings for sure. > Have not looked at the upper control arms yet. Basically I probably need to > just redo the entire front end. Also needs at least a front flex disk and > center support. Moved on to the clutch. I hooked my pressure bleeder up to > the brake reservoir then opened the bleeder on the slave cylinder and got a > good steady stream of fluid out, no bubbles. Let it run for a while. Does > this mean my issue is not air on the system? When pressing the clutch it > pushed down and comes right back up but does not feel like it is actually > doing doing anything. I pulled the under dash cover and nothing is > disconnected there. How do I go about figuring out what the actual issue is > as far as if it’s a master cylinder issue, slave cylinder or something else? > > I want to get the clutch fixed first so I can at least move the car > around. After I do that the next priority is getting the lift going because > I do not want to do all this front end and driveshaft working laying on my > back under the car. Screw that. > > Sent from my iPhone > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D rehab/clutch
I'd guess the slave cylinder is dead. When you press the pedal in, do you get pressure (fluid output) at the slave bleeder? If yes, the slave cylinder is probably dead. Max Dillon Charleston SC May 16, 2020 5:07:28 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes : > Got this 81 240D moved into the shop and jacked up. I examined the > underside and discovered it’s going to need all the typical 123 front end > work. Will need ball joints, tie rods, and control arm bushings for sure. > Have not looked at the upper control arms yet. Basically I probably need to > just redo the entire front end. Also needs at least a front flex disk and > center support. Moved on to the clutch. I hooked my pressure bleeder up to > the brake reservoir then opened the bleeder on the slave cylinder and got a > good steady stream of fluid out, no bubbles. Let it run for a while. Does > this mean my issue is not air on the system? When pressing the clutch it > pushed down and comes right back up but does not feel like it is actually > doing doing anything. I pulled the under dash cover and nothing is > disconnected there. How do I go about figuring out what the actual issue is > as far as if it’s a master cylinder issue, slave cylinder or something else? > > > I want to get the clutch fixed first so I can at least move the car > around. After I do that the next priority is getting the lift going because I > do not want to do all this front end and driveshaft working laying on my back > under the car. Screw that. > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D rehab/clutch
I don’t have much experience with Mercedes clutches, but if the pedal moves up and down without resistance I would assume the clutch cylinder is toast. -D > On May 16, 2020, at 5:13 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > Btw I saw no evidence of any leaks either. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 16, 2020, at 4:07 PM, Kaleb Striplin wrote: >> >> Got this 81 240D moved into the shop and jacked up. I examined the >> underside and discovered it’s going to need all the typical 123 front end >> work. Will need ball joints, tie rods, and control arm bushings for sure. >> Have not looked at the upper control arms yet. Basically I probably need to >> just redo the entire front end. Also needs at least a front flex disk and >> center support. Moved on to the clutch. I hooked my pressure bleeder up to >> the brake reservoir then opened the bleeder on the slave cylinder and got a >> good steady stream of fluid out, no bubbles. Let it run for a while. Does >> this mean my issue is not air on the system? When pressing the clutch it >> pushed down and comes right back up but does not feel like it is actually >> doing doing anything. I pulled the under dash cover and nothing is >> disconnected there. How do I go about figuring out what the actual issue is >> as far as if it’s a master cylinder issue, slave cylinder or something else? >> >> I want to get the clutch fixed first so I can at least move the car around. >> After I do that the next priority is getting the lift going because I do not >> want to do all this front end and driveshaft working laying on my back under >> the car. Screw that. >> >> Sent from my iPhone > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D rehab/clutch
Btw I saw no evidence of any leaks either. Sent from my iPhone > On May 16, 2020, at 4:07 PM, Kaleb Striplin wrote: > > Got this 81 240D moved into the shop and jacked up. I examined the underside > and discovered it’s going to need all the typical 123 front end work. Will > need ball joints, tie rods, and control arm bushings for sure. Have not > looked at the upper control arms yet. Basically I probably need to just redo > the entire front end. Also needs at least a front flex disk and center > support. Moved on to the clutch. I hooked my pressure bleeder up to the brake > reservoir then opened the bleeder on the slave cylinder and got a good steady > stream of fluid out, no bubbles. Let it run for a while. Does this mean my > issue is not air on the system? When pressing the clutch it pushed down and > comes right back up but does not feel like it is actually doing doing > anything. I pulled the under dash cover and nothing is disconnected there. > How do I go about figuring out what the actual issue is as far as if it’s a > master cylinder issue, slave cylinder or something else? > > I want to get the clutch fixed first so I can at least move the car around. > After I do that the next priority is getting the lift going because I do not > want to do all this front end and driveshaft working laying on my back under > the car. Screw that. > > Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 240D rehab/clutch
Got this 81 240D moved into the shop and jacked up. I examined the underside and discovered it’s going to need all the typical 123 front end work. Will need ball joints, tie rods, and control arm bushings for sure. Have not looked at the upper control arms yet. Basically I probably need to just redo the entire front end. Also needs at least a front flex disk and center support. Moved on to the clutch. I hooked my pressure bleeder up to the brake reservoir then opened the bleeder on the slave cylinder and got a good steady stream of fluid out, no bubbles. Let it run for a while. Does this mean my issue is not air on the system? When pressing the clutch it pushed down and comes right back up but does not feel like it is actually doing doing anything. I pulled the under dash cover and nothing is disconnected there. How do I go about figuring out what the actual issue is as far as if it’s a master cylinder issue, slave cylinder or something else? I want to get the clutch fixed first so I can at least move the car around. After I do that the next priority is getting the lift going because I do not want to do all this front end and driveshaft working laying on my back under the car. Screw that. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
