Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and politicians
beyond the pale The phrase beyond the pale dates back to the 14th century, when the part of Ireland that was under English rule was delineated by a boundary made of such stakes or fences, and known as the English Pale. To travel outside of that boundary, beyond the pale, was to leave behind all the rules and institutions of English society, which the English modestly considered synonymous with civilization itself. In the US of A now, it means beyond the beltway or thinking as a Merkun, not as a washington insider. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Or perhaps: undereducated, opinionated rednecks, clinging o their guns and religion.. On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 5:07 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: beyond the pale The phrase beyond the pale dates back to the 14th century, when the part of Ireland that was under English rule was delineated by a boundary made of such stakes or fences, and known as the English Pale. To travel outside of that boundary, beyond the pale, was to leave behind all the rules and institutions of English society, which the English modestly considered synonymous with civilization itself. In the US of A now, it means beyond the beltway or thinking as a Merkun, not as a washington insider. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and politicians
very. i was responding to Diesel head' On Jan 27, 2014 12:18 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 20:03:16 -0600 Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Andrew wrote: Over the top; inexcusable; beyond the bounds of civilized discourse. Totally. But, that is the context of the answer Japan gave 70 years ago, supposedly. That context has no reality today, I suspect. mao Andrew wasn't commenting about your posting, Dan. He was answering Rick Knoble's question from a different sub-thread. He replied to your posting instead of directly replying to Rick's posting where the question was asked. Why? I don't know. He apparently likes to do that since this was the second time in a couple of days he has done it. It does make things confusing, doesn't it? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and politicians
beyond the pale The phrase beyond the pale dates back to the 14th century, when the part of Ireland that was under English rule was delineated by a boundary made of such stakes or fences, and known as the English Pale. To travel outside of that boundary, beyond the pale, was to leave behind all the rules and institutions of English society, which the English modestly considered synonymous with civilization itself. On Jan 26, 2014, at 5:58 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Over the top; inexcusable; beyond the bounds of civilized discourse. On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 8:34 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Dieselhead wrote: After WWII, the japanese were asked about plans to invade the US. They said they had no plans to invade because of the armed population. Guns are not much fear today. Plenty of guns among us, but little if any cohesive ability to rally troops to any cause due to myriad interweb/tv/radio leads. Who do we shoot? Who are the bad guys? So we sit loaded and ready but insecure which is the bad guy we are readying to shoot. Add in zero interpersonal communications at church/tavern/club - its all at FB/TW/... mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and politicians
Fascinating. I never gave it any thought. On Monday, January 27, 2014, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: beyond the pale The phrase beyond the pale dates back to the 14th century, when the part of Ireland that was under English rule was delineated by a boundary made of such stakes or fences, and known as the English Pale. To travel outside of that boundary, beyond the pale, was to leave behind all the rules and institutions of English society, which the English modestly considered synonymous with civilization itself. On Jan 26, 2014, at 5:58 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Over the top; inexcusable; beyond the bounds of civilized discourse. On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 8:34 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.comjavascript:; wrote: Dieselhead wrote: After WWII, the japanese were asked about plans to invade the US. They said they had no plans to invade because of the armed population. Guns are not much fear today. Plenty of guns among us, but little if any cohesive ability to rally troops to any cause due to myriad interweb/tv/radio leads. Who do we shoot? Who are the bad guys? So we sit loaded and ready but insecure which is the bad guy we are readying to shoot. Add in zero interpersonal communications at church/tavern/club - its all at FB/TW/... mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and politicians
Andrew wrote: very. i was responding to Diesel head' Gotcha - thanks for the clarify. I will watch for that next time, Mr. Confuser... mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and politicians
Cousin attended the U.S. War College after WW-2. The theory then was that Hitlers decisions to bomb Britain into submission instead of invading it probably lost the war for Germany when it had barely begun. Had Hitler occupied Britain, which would have been little more trouble than occupying Europe (which was done in a matter of days), dictator Franco of Spain would have joined him and Nazi Europe would have been in no danger of invasion. The U.S. would have signed an armistice with Germany, and Hitler would have been free to turn the full force of his military on Russia which would probably have been defeated. Germany and Japan together would have defeated Mao Tse Tung and China would have become a protectorate of Japan. Germany and Japan would have dominated the eastern hemisphere and the U.S. would have continued to dominate the western hemisphere. What would have happened after that was anyones guess, according to the generals. Gerry P.S. I'd like to be a little mouse and hear what the War College generals are predicting now. On 1/26/2014 9:46 AM, Larry T wrote: One of the many programs the military channel focused on Hitlers commands during WW2. They said there were a number of attempts to assassinate him but the Allies decided his directions of the military would help the Allies win more than removing him from the picture. They may be right as he made some dumb commands that probably cost them way to many lives. Often when his Army got in trouble and needed to retreat and regroup Hitler's standard command was to never retreat. Several of his armies might have survived to fight another day if he had allowed them to retreat. He was also indecisive and changed his mind often. Possibly, if one of his Generals/Admirals had taken over they may have made better tactical decisions. The guy running the U-Boat program (Carnais - misspelled?) was put in charge at the end and he was infinitely better at running military operations than Hitler. Hitler managed some spectacular victories early in the war but the wins were more about their opponents lack of preparation for a modern mechanical war surprise than brilliant tactics. The Polish army was a match for the Germans but they tried to fight tanks while on horses. Also, the French had a larger army and more tanks but their tactics was lacking, often using their tanks in too small numbers. But I'm not so sure the masses of Germans would follow someone like they did Hitler... Sincerely, Larry On 1/25/2014 10:01 PM, Hendrik and Fay wrote: Well for one thing the US might not have made shiploads of cash from WW2. Or worse still, someone with some real brains and talent, instead of a self deluded nutjob might have risen to power in Germany and won the war. Hitlers insanity is arguably the key reason that Germany lost the war. Hendrik who is mildly suffering from nutjobosis On 23/01/14 21:37, Mitch Haley wrote: arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Some are of great value to the citizens in their realm such as was the plutocracy that controlled Venice, the richest city in Europe during the Middle Ages. It's citizens prospered due to the decisions of the wealthy families of Venice. And then, the fatal error. They decided Hitler's artwork wasn't worth buying. Imagine how different the world would be if that nutbag had been an impoverished artist instead of a starving artist. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and politicians
One of the many programs the military channel focused on Hitlers commands during WW2. They said there were a number of attempts to assassinate him but the Allies decided his directions of the military would help the Allies win more than removing him from the picture. They may be right as he made some dumb commands that probably cost them way to many lives. Often when his Army got in trouble and needed to retreat and regroup Hitler's standard command was to never retreat. Several of his armies might have survived to fight another day if he had allowed them to retreat. He was also indecisive and changed his mind often. Possibly, if one of his Generals/Admirals had taken over they may have made better tactical decisions. The guy running the U-Boat program (Carnais - misspelled?) was put in charge at the end and he was infinitely better at running military operations than Hitler. Hitler managed some spectacular victories early in the war but the wins were more about their opponents lack of preparation for a modern mechanical war surprise than brilliant tactics. The Polish army was a match for the Germans but they tried to fight tanks while on horses. Also, the French had a larger army and more tanks but their tactics was lacking, often using their tanks in too small numbers. But I'm not so sure the masses of Germans would follow someone like they did Hitler... Sincerely, Larry On 1/25/2014 10:01 PM, Hendrik and Fay wrote: Well for one thing the US might not have made shiploads of cash from WW2. Or worse still, someone with some real brains and talent, instead of a self deluded nutjob might have risen to power in Germany and won the war. Hitlers insanity is arguably the key reason that Germany lost the war. Hendrik who is mildly suffering from nutjobosis On 23/01/14 21:37, Mitch Haley wrote: arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Some are of great value to the citizens in their realm such as was the plutocracy that controlled Venice, the richest city in Europe during the Middle Ages. It's citizens prospered due to the decisions of the wealthy families of Venice. And then, the fatal error. They decided Hitler's artwork wasn't worth buying. Imagine how different the world would be if that nutbag had been an impoverished artist instead of a starving artist. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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But I'm not so sure the masses of Germans would follow someone like they did Hitler... Sincerely, Larry obungler had the masses on oratory, not substance, just as 'Dolfie did. obungler's rise to power is a combination of Dolfie's and Yosef's tactics. Fortunately sheeple have begin to see the light and are leaving in droves. Next will be the burning of the reichstag, or an equivalent action I often wondered how so many people could be misled so much by Dolfie. But deluding people and whipping them up into a frenzy can be done by any deranged narcissist. After WWII, the japanese were asked about plans to invade the US. They said they had no plans to invade because of the armed population. That same fact, and amendment, is what is keeping the current deranged narcissist from following in Dolfie's footsteps. The list of en emies of the st ate has already been published by ja net neo politan. those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That is beyond the pale. Keep your wretched rantings to yourself. On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 10:17 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: But I'm not so sure the masses of Germans would follow someone like they did Hitler... Sincerely, Larry obungler had the masses on oratory, not substance, just as 'Dolfie did. obungler's rise to power is a combination of Dolfie's and Yosef's tactics. Fortunately sheeple have begin to see the light and are leaving in droves. Next will be the burning of the reichstag, or an equivalent action I often wondered how so many people could be misled so much by Dolfie. But deluding people and whipping them up into a frenzy can be done by any deranged narcissist. After WWII, the japanese were asked about plans to invade the US. They said they had no plans to invade because of the armed population. That same fact, and amendment, is what is keeping the current deranged narcissist from following in Dolfie's footsteps. The list of en emies of the st ate has already been published by ja net neo politan. those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Jan 26, 2014, at 4:51 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: That is beyond the pale. That's the first time I've ever heard that expression. Definition please. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Dieselhead wrote: After WWII, the japanese were asked about plans to invade the US. They said they had no plans to invade because of the armed population. Guns are not much fear today. Plenty of guns among us, but little if any cohesive ability to rally troops to any cause due to myriad interweb/tv/radio leads. Who do we shoot? Who are the bad guys? So we sit loaded and ready but insecure which is the bad guy we are readying to shoot. Add in zero interpersonal communications at church/tavern/club - its all at FB/TW/... mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Over the top; inexcusable; beyond the bounds of civilized discourse. On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 8:34 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Dieselhead wrote: After WWII, the japanese were asked about plans to invade the US. They said they had no plans to invade because of the armed population. Guns are not much fear today. Plenty of guns among us, but little if any cohesive ability to rally troops to any cause due to myriad interweb/tv/radio leads. Who do we shoot? Who are the bad guys? So we sit loaded and ready but insecure which is the bad guy we are readying to shoot. Add in zero interpersonal communications at church/tavern/club - its all at FB/TW/... mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Andrew wrote: Over the top; inexcusable; beyond the bounds of civilized discourse. Totally. But, that is the context of the answer Japan gave 70 years ago, supposedly. That context has no reality today, I suspect. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 20:03:16 -0600 Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Andrew wrote: Over the top; inexcusable; beyond the bounds of civilized discourse. Totally. But, that is the context of the answer Japan gave 70 years ago, supposedly. That context has no reality today, I suspect. mao Andrew wasn't commenting about your posting, Dan. He was answering Rick Knoble's question from a different sub-thread. He replied to your posting instead of directly replying to Rick's posting where the question was asked. Why? I don't know. He apparently likes to do that since this was the second time in a couple of days he has done it. It does make things confusing, doesn't it? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and politicians
Well for one thing the US might not have made shiploads of cash from WW2. Or worse still, someone with some real brains and talent, instead of a self deluded nutjob might have risen to power in Germany and won the war. Hitlers insanity is arguably the key reason that Germany lost the war. Hendrik who is mildly suffering from nutjobosis On 23/01/14 21:37, Mitch Haley wrote: arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Some are of great value to the citizens in their realm such as was the plutocracy that controlled Venice, the richest city in Europe during the Middle Ages. It's citizens prospered due to the decisions of the wealthy families of Venice. And then, the fatal error. They decided Hitler's artwork wasn't worth buying. Imagine how different the world would be if that nutbag had been an impoverished artist instead of a starving artist. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
