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rumor has it that OK wrote: > I used to drool over TBCs when I worked around video production -- > Are they cheap yet? anything worth buying on eBay? Here's a brand new, $300 one. http://www.datavideo.us/products/tbc_1000_main_page.htm I'll bet it isn't as good as a $3,000 FOR-A from 15 years ago Philip, somehow managing to get by without a TBC
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Wandered about the local university surplus store and found all sorts of video and medical goodies. Bet you could find some higher tech old stuff that would be easy on the wallet On Tuesday, December 6, 2005, at 01:13 PM, David Brodbeck wrote: Curt Raymond wrote: There are actually 2 pieces of professional gear that I have that will get around macrovision, 1 is a TBC (Time Base Corrector) and the other is a distribution amp. Neither were hard to get, in fact the TBC is built into one of my decks. Distribution amps are as common as dirt and vital if you're going to record one signal onto multiple decks at the same time. TBCs, like most pro gear, usually don't come cheap, though. Part of the issue with Macrovision is the company that patented it also patented most of the cheap, obvious ways to defeat it. Before the DMCA, they would simply sue the manufacturers of "video stabilizers" for patent infringement. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
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I used to drool over TBCs when I worked around video production -- Are they cheap yet? anything worth buying on eBay? > > Curious. A device called a TBC (time base corrector), which is an > essential part of any non-hobby tape-based video production system, > will do the same thing. By "rebuilding" the sync portion of the signal > the Macrovision parts are (rightly) tossed out with any other "trash"! > > So I am surprised to hear that it's illegal to _posess_ one since there > are so many applications where it's indespensible and legitimate! > > But like you said - it's a strange world!!! > > Philip, old style video geek > -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC The FSM created the Diesel Benz http://www.venganza.org/
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rumor has it that David wrote: > andrew strasfogel wrote: > > I rented a movie DVD and wanted to transfer it to videotape for later > > veiwing but couldn't because DVDs are now copy protected. So much for "fair > > use" - they didn't even give me a chance to be honest or fair! > > > > DVDs have two layers of copy protection. The first is a digital > encryption scheme called CSS. > The second layer is what prevents you from making a video tape recording > of a DVD you're playing back. It's called Macrovision. It's an analog > scheme, also used on rental videocassettes, and in the case of DVDs it's > actually applied to the outgoing signal by a circuit inside the DVD > player. I won't go into the technical details here, but it acts by > interfering with the automatic gain control in the VCR. This is true. A mostly useless piece of data is that Betamax recorders are nearly immune to the effect - but they don't strip it. Also, any VHS deck with a manual video level control (high end pro decks, usually) will not be too bothered by it. > At home I have a video projector that simply cannot deal with > Macrovision; it confuses it into thinking it doesn't have a valid video > signal. I ended up buying a "video stabilizer" to strip the Macrovision > encoding off the signal. While I don't use this device for copying, and > my use of it infringes no one's copyright, I had a hard time getting it > because the DMCA makes it illegal to sell or even to posess it. It's a > strange world we live in. Curious. A device called a TBC (time base corrector), which is an essential part of any non-hobby tape-based video production system, will do the same thing. By "rebuilding" the sync portion of the signal the Macrovision parts are (rightly) tossed out with any other "trash"! So I am surprised to hear that it's illegal to _posess_ one since there are so many applications where it's indespensible and legitimate! But like you said - it's a strange world!!! Philip, old style video geek
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Curt Raymond wrote: There are actually 2 pieces of professional gear that I have that will get around macrovision, 1 is a TBC (Time Base Corrector) and the other is a distribution amp. Neither were hard to get, in fact the TBC is built into one of my decks. Distribution amps are as common as dirt and vital if you're going to record one signal onto multiple decks at the same time. TBCs, like most pro gear, usually don't come cheap, though. Part of the issue with Macrovision is the company that patented it also patented most of the cheap, obvious ways to defeat it. Before the DMCA, they would simply sue the manufacturers of "video stabilizers" for patent infringement.
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Huh? There are actually 2 pieces of professional gear that I have that will get around macrovision, 1 is a TBC (Time Base Corrector) and the other is a distribution amp. Neither were hard to get, in fact the TBC is built into one of my decks. Distribution amps are as common as dirt and vital if you're going to record one signal onto multiple decks at the same time. Oh I've also got an editing system that doesn't have any problem stripping away macrovision. In fact I've recently been transfering my VHS movies to DVD. Yes its a waste of time but I do it while I'm at work. I do phone support so theres really no problem with my recording "Raiders of the Lost Ark" for instance while talking to a customer. -Curt Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 10:33:42 -0800 From: David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another video, this time with pontoon and /8 aka To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed andrew strasfogel wrote: > I rented a movie DVD and wanted to transfer it to videotape for later > veiwing but couldn't because DVDs are now copy protected. So much for "fair > use" - they didn't even give me a chance to be honest or fair! > DVDs have two layers of copy protection. The first is a digital encryption scheme called CSS. This is widely misunderstood; it does not, in any way, stop someone from copying an entire DVD to a dual-layer disc and playing it in a DVD player. What it does is prevent extracting the video in a form that can be played, edited, or reencoded, unless the proper decryption key is supplied. The second layer is what prevents you from making a video tape recording of a DVD you're playing back. It's called Macrovision. It's an analog scheme, also used on rental videocassettes, and in the case of DVDs it's actually applied to the outgoing signal by a circuit inside the DVD player. I won't go into the technical details here, but it acts by interfering with the automatic gain control in the VCR. The movie industry is also augering for digital TV to include a similar scheme in digital-to-analog set-top boxes, to keep people from making analog recordings of digital broadcasts. It'd be switched on and off by a "flag" in the signal, controlling what you could record and what you couldn't. At home I have a video projector that simply cannot deal with Macrovision; it confuses it into thinking it doesn't have a valid video signal. I ended up buying a "video stabilizer" to strip the Macrovision encoding off the signal. While I don't use this device for copying, and my use of it infringes no one's copyright, I had a hard time getting it because the DMCA makes it illegal to sell or even to posess it. It's a strange world we live in. - Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Dec 06 20:53:17 2005 Received: from freecard.co.il ([65.254.32.178] helo=ultra.securenet-server.net) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.52) id 1EjjoK-0008Sv-M3 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 20:53:17 + Received: from [207.13.125.237] (helo=JABBERWOCKY.wrxtra.com) by ultra.securenet-server.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1EjjoD-0003po-Tc for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 15:53:10 -0500 Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 15:52:53 -0500 To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: "J.B. Hebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-3DC46C5 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ultra.securenet-server.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - striplin.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - wrxtra.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...? X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Id: Mercedes mailing list List-Unsubscribe: <http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: <http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net> List-Post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Help: &
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I'm happy to say that I've been able to hack my home DVD player so I can now play DVDs from any region in the world and skip those annoying FBI thingies which don't apply to me anyway! (bastards) Jeff Zedic Toronto 87 300TD 83 300D
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andrew strasfogel wrote: I rented a movie DVD and wanted to transfer it to videotape for later veiwing but couldn't because DVDs are now copy protected. So much for "fair use" - they didn't even give me a chance to be honest or fair! DVDs have two layers of copy protection. The first is a digital encryption scheme called CSS. This is widely misunderstood; it does not, in any way, stop someone from copying an entire DVD to a dual-layer disc and playing it in a DVD player. What it does is prevent extracting the video in a form that can be played, edited, or reencoded, unless the proper decryption key is supplied. The second layer is what prevents you from making a video tape recording of a DVD you're playing back. It's called Macrovision. It's an analog scheme, also used on rental videocassettes, and in the case of DVDs it's actually applied to the outgoing signal by a circuit inside the DVD player. I won't go into the technical details here, but it acts by interfering with the automatic gain control in the VCR. The movie industry is also augering for digital TV to include a similar scheme in digital-to-analog set-top boxes, to keep people from making analog recordings of digital broadcasts. It'd be switched on and off by a "flag" in the signal, controlling what you could record and what you couldn't. At home I have a video projector that simply cannot deal with Macrovision; it confuses it into thinking it doesn't have a valid video signal. I ended up buying a "video stabilizer" to strip the Macrovision encoding off the signal. While I don't use this device for copying, and my use of it infringes no one's copyright, I had a hard time getting it because the DMCA makes it illegal to sell or even to posess it. It's a strange world we live in.
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Lee Einer wrote: Yes, many Linux distros do have a DVD player app, normally Xine. They will not, in my experience, play a commercial, copy protected DVD unless one installs DeCSS. That's SUSE's and RedHat's policies, at least. In fact, SUSE's copy of Xine is crippled so it won't work with DeCSS; you need to grab both the DeCSS library and a different build of Xine. Note that this means you can still play *unencrypted* DVDs out of the box, but every commercial DVD I've ever seen is encrypted. For a while RedHat wouldn't even ship MP3 software, because of their interpretation of the patent license.
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Yes, many Linux distros do have a DVD player app, normally Xine. They will not, in my experience, play a commercial, copy protected DVD unless one installs DeCSS. Lee Curt Raymond wrote: Not true at all, many Linux distros have a DVD player app built right in. Also not true for .mp3 files. I believe you mean the MPAA, the RIAA is the music industry. Frankly while I'm not in love with the MPAA in any sense what Andrew had described is illegal for a reason. Its sensible that you shouldn't be allowed to copy a rented movie, if you could easily do that why would you ever buy one? The same is doubly true of rented computer (and especially Playstation) games. DVD producers are in business to make money, they don't put out disks just because they love doing it. When companies cease to make money they cease to be companies then then no new DVDs get produced. So some level of protection makes sense. -Curt Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 09:08:49 -0700 From: Lee Einer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another video, this time with pontoon and /8 aka To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed On Linux, I believe it is verboten to even have the software to play the DVDs, as DeCSS descrambles the encryption code. Ridiculous, as I should have a right to view DVDs I own on a PC or laptop which I own. The RIAA and their thugs are so nazi-like about this, and the US courts so whipped, that one group even got sued for printing the DeCSS source code on tee shirts. Lee - Yahoo! Personals Let fate take it's course directly to your email. See who's waiting for you Yahoo! Personals ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Lee Einer Dos Manos Jewelry http://www.dosmanosjewelry.com
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When you rent a movie there is NO allowance for copying it. The one backup copy is for things you actually own. You don't own a movie you've rented, the same is true if you borrow it from your buddy. If you wanted to watch it later you'd need to either rent it again or buy it. Once you've bought it you'd be allowed one copy for a backup. -Curt Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 09:54:32 -0500 From: andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another video, this time with pontoon and /8 aka To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I rented a movie DVD and wanted to transfer it to videotape for later veiwing but couldn't because DVDs are now copy protected. So much for "fair use" - they didn't even give me a chance to be honest or fair! - Yahoo! Personals Let fate take it's course directly to your email. See who's waiting for you Yahoo! Personals From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Dec 06 16:30:21 2005 Received: from web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.206.43]) by server5.arterytc5.net with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Ejfht-0006Bw-8O for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 16:30:21 + Received: (qmail 3105 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Dec 2005 16:30:16 - DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GIfylOriytFsC8yk+ybWHxFZ94aHCsylvIt6TszPMAd19+6UkWvl4WfRQLH9l3zy+sB/Y1LN2imVy9XjWnJ0Hhd5U+6vOe9rNhK3Va0www68feyDuEnaf52tSdt1C1gRtzWqfB1f/LR0fmcvk4g6XDcFhFzrgIqiu2lkW32fd+U= ; Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: from [198.51.119.130] by web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 08:30:16 PST Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 08:30:16 -0800 (PST) From: Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.6 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another video, this time with pontoon and /8 aka X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Id: Mercedes mailing list List-Unsubscribe: <http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: <http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net> List-Post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 16:30:22 - Not true at all, many Linux distros have a DVD player app built right in. Also not true for .mp3 files. I believe you mean the MPAA, the RIAA is the music industry. Frankly while I'm not in love with the MPAA in any sense what Andrew had described is illegal for a reason. Its sensible that you shouldn't be allowed to copy a rented movie, if you could easily do that why would you ever buy one? The same is doubly true of rented computer (and especially Playstation) games. DVD producers are in business to make money, they don't put out disks just because they love doing it. When companies cease to make money they cease to be companies then then no new DVDs get produced. So some level of protection makes sense. -Curt Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 09:08:49 -0700 From: Lee Einer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another video, this time with pontoon and /8 aka To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed On Linux, I believe it is verboten to even have the software to play the DVDs, as DeCSS descrambles the encryption code. Ridiculous, as I should have a right to view DVDs I own on a PC or laptop which I own. The RIAA and their thugs are so nazi-like about this, and the US courts so whipped, that one group even got sued for printing the DeCSS source code on tee shirts. Lee - Yahoo! Personals Let fate take it's course directly to your email. See who's waiting for you Yahoo! Personals From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Dec 06 16:30:51 2005 Received: from mx14.marshallnet.com ([207.206.203.14] helo=MAIL.spam-virus-intercept.com) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EjfiN-0006Do-7c for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 06 Dec 2005 16:30:51 + Received: from [192.168.1.100] (12-216-23-233.client.mchsi.com [12.216
Re: [MBZ] Another video, this time with pontoon and /8 aka
On Linux, I believe it is verboten to even have the software to play the DVDs, as DeCSS descrambles the encryption code. Ridiculous, as I should have a right to view DVDs I own on a PC or laptop which I own. The RIAA and their thugs are so nazi-like about this, and the US courts so whipped, that one group even got sued for printing the DeCSS source code on tee shirts. Lee andrew strasfogel wrote: I rented a movie DVD and wanted to transfer it to videotape for later veiwing but couldn't because DVDs are now copy protected. So much for "fair use" - they didn't even give me a chance to be honest or fair! On 12/5/05, Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I believe you are correct...Falls under private exhibition. As long as it is for personal use you can make as many as you want. Distribution is the catch. Mike - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another video, this time with pontoon and /8 aka Im not sure or not but I think its legal to make a "backup" copy of something for your own use, but you cant give it to your friends. Then again, I may be wrong on that. Mike Canfield wrote: Ever heard of unauthorized duplication? Read the FBI warnings at the begining of a movie. Mike - Original Message - From: "Sunil Hari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another video, this time with pontoon and /8 aka Illegal to sell, but not illegal (if you've purchased it legitimately) to make copies to give to your friends - that falls under "fair use." On 12/5/05, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Excepting that in most places thats totally illegal especially if you're selling for profit. Some would even say its immoral because you're essentially taking money out of someone else's pocket. -Curt the videographer who is very sensitive to this sort of thing. Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 16:45:31 -0500 From: Sunil Hari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another video, this time with pontoon and /8 aka Fascination To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 time to burn DVD copies and sell them on ebay. or to list members at $5/disc. - Yahoo! Personals Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. Lots of someones, actually. Yahoo! Personals ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Lee Einer Dos Manos Jewelry http://www.dosmanosjewelry.com
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you have to have secret decoding software. andrew strasfogel wrote: I rented a movie DVD and wanted to transfer it to videotape for later veiwing but couldn't because DVDs are now copy protected. So much for "fair use" - they didn't even give me a chance to be honest or fair! O -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
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I understand (not from personal experience) that there are means for dealing with that. --R andrew strasfogel wrote: I rented a movie DVD and wanted to transfer it to videotape for later veiwing but couldn't because DVDs are now copy protected. So much for "fair use" - they didn't even give me a chance to be honest or fair!
Re: [MBZ] Another video, this time with pontoon and /8 aka
I rented a movie DVD and wanted to transfer it to videotape for later veiwing but couldn't because DVDs are now copy protected. So much for "fair use" - they didn't even give me a chance to be honest or fair! On 12/5/05, Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I believe you are correct...Falls under private exhibition. As long > as > it is for personal use you can make as many as you want. Distribution is > the catch. > > Mike > - Original Message - > From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 12:54 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another video, this time with pontoon and /8 aka > > > > Im not sure or not but I think its legal to make a "backup" copy of > > something for your own use, but you cant give it to your friends. Then > > again, I may be wrong on that. > > > > Mike Canfield wrote: > > > >> Ever heard of unauthorized duplication? Read the FBI warnings at the > >> begining of a movie. > >> > >> Mike > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Sunil Hari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 11:55 AM > >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another video, this time with pontoon and /8 aka > >> > >> > >> > >>>Illegal to sell, but not illegal (if you've purchased it legitimately) > to > >>>make copies to give to your friends - that falls under "fair use." > >>> > >>>On 12/5/05, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> > >>>>Excepting that in most places thats totally illegal especially if > you're > >>>>selling for profit. Some would even say its immoral because you're > >>>>essentially taking money out of someone else's pocket. > >>>> > >>>> -Curt > >>>> the videographer who is very sensitive to this sort of thing. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 16:45:31 -0500 > >>>>From: Sunil Hari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another video, this time with pontoon and /8 aka > >>>>Fascination > >>>>To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>Message-ID: > >>>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >>>> > >>>>time to burn DVD copies and sell them on ebay. or to list members at > >>>>$5/disc. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>- > >>>>Yahoo! Personals > >>>>Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. > >>>>Lots of someones, actually. Yahoo! Personals > >>>>___ > >>>>For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > >>>>For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>> > >>>>To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>>>http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>-- > >>>Sunil Hari > >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>513-205-7474 > >>>___ > >>>For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > >>>For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> > >>>To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>>http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > >> > >> > >> > > > > -- > > Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK > > 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, > > 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, > > 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 > > Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts > > > > ___ > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > > > > > ___ > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net >
Re: [MBZ] Another video, this time with pontoon and /8 aka
I believe you are correct...Falls under private exhibition. As long as it is for personal use you can make as many as you want. Distribution is the catch. Mike - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another video, this time with pontoon and /8 aka Im not sure or not but I think its legal to make a "backup" copy of something for your own use, but you cant give it to your friends. Then again, I may be wrong on that. Mike Canfield wrote: Ever heard of unauthorized duplication? Read the FBI warnings at the begining of a movie. Mike - Original Message - From: "Sunil Hari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another video, this time with pontoon and /8 aka Illegal to sell, but not illegal (if you've purchased it legitimately) to make copies to give to your friends - that falls under "fair use." On 12/5/05, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Excepting that in most places thats totally illegal especially if you're selling for profit. Some would even say its immoral because you're essentially taking money out of someone else's pocket. -Curt the videographer who is very sensitive to this sort of thing. Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 16:45:31 -0500 From: Sunil Hari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another video, this time with pontoon and /8 aka Fascination To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 time to burn DVD copies and sell them on ebay. or to list members at $5/disc. - Yahoo! Personals Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. Lots of someones, actually. Yahoo! Personals ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Another video, this time with pontoon and /8 aka
You can make A copy (as in one) for yourself but not to give to your friends thats distribution and is essentially taking money out of someones pocket. You also can't setup a theater and charge people to come see it. I've had this come up before with stuff I've made. I did a wedding video, the client wanted 2 copies on DVD. Okay the first is free, the second is $10 (which is about half the going rate). I find out later that they copied my DVD over 200 times... I called 'em up and they scoffed, they tried the "Its our wedding" but if they'd read the contract they'd know its MY video. Being the nice guy I am (and mildly hurt that they'd do this to me) I suggested I'd take $500 and not bring a lawyer into it. The groom decided he'd rather threaten to kill me than pay. In court that statement came back to haunt him, I got $4000. The judge said they'd ought to pay the going rate because of threatening me. By illegally copying my video they were literally taking money away from me. -Curt Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 11:55:11 -0500 From: Sunil Hari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another video, this time with pontoon and /8 aka To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Illegal to sell, but not illegal (if you've purchased it legitimately) to make copies to give to your friends - that falls under "fair use." - Yahoo! Personals Let fate take it's course directly to your email. See who's waiting for you Yahoo! Personals From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Dec 05 19:59:02 2005 Received: from web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.206.32]) by server5.arterytc5.net with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EjMUH-0005oG-QT for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 19:59:01 + Received: (qmail 60279 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Dec 2005 19:58:57 - DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=wKv1AC7IfZ5irxKcE7mPmQ9ggz5E0y1WRrG2+pbxtgGoDLOjeYV+ctg9fiqjAzsl7h5R639lSefdwQNIpDuJAmRVgGedjSThnp+yw1XVvWK0f/AQ6eCwvxZvaaoaF20x1KcyFvNt1QU2Uf2aaUbjMqQT1TxFkhsj1bSscPf5Zbs= ; Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: from [198.51.119.130] by web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 11:58:57 PST Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 11:58:57 -0800 (PST) From: Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Diesel List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.6 Subject: [MBZ] 190D questions X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Id: Mercedes mailing list List-Unsubscribe: <http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: <http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net> List-Post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 19:59:02 - Okay so now with a little more time heres some of the other issues on the 190D, Kaleb if you've got a w201 sitting around this might be time for you to get rid of some parts. The car has electric seats which work if you fiddle the switch a bunch, do I have to take the door apart to access the switch? The backrest adjustment parts of both seat switches have broken and so tilt isn't really adjustable, I looked on Rusty's site and didn't see 'em, anybody got a source for those? The rear windows don't work at all from either the front or door switches. I haven't replaced fuses yet, that'll be the very next thing I do. The antenna doesn't move and is stuck way down. It also seems to be missing the grommet between it and the fender. I imagine I'll need to at least replace the grommet. I don't particularly care if the antenna moves or not but it seems to me that if I'm going to go all out to make the car nice, which I am, then I should fix the antenna. I know there are sites devoted to antenna r&r, links would be appreciated. The shift boot is totally wrong, its huge and the shifter is sort of lost in it. I see Mercedes Source has a booklet on how to get that console apart. Anybody on here like to spill the secret? The wood is nice in my car so I don't want to hurt it. Thats all for the moment, more to come.
Re: [MBZ] Another video, this time with pontoon and /8 aka
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Im not sure or not but I think its legal to make a "backup" copy of something for your own use, but you cant give it to your friends. Then again, I may be wrong on that. Also, fair use is not a defense against being charged with a DMCA violation. If you have to break any kind of encryption scheme to make your copy, it's illegal even if it's fair use under copyright law. This is a travesty, in my opinion, but those are the rules we currently live under.
Re: [MBZ] Another video, this time with pontoon and /8 aka
rumor has it that Sunil wrote: > Illegal to sell, but not illegal (if you've purchased it legitimately) to > make copies to give to your friends - that falls under "fair use." > > On 12/5/05, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Excepting that in most places thats totally illegal especially if you're > > selling for profit. Some would even say its immoral because you're > > essentially taking money out of someone else's pocket. > > > > -Curt > >the videographer who is very sensitive to this sort of thing. > > > > time to burn DVD copies and sell them on ebay. or to list members at > > $5/disc. "Fair use" is shifty territory in the USA."Fair use" isn't clearly defined and the law is based on paper right - and electronic media sure changes how the game is played! So, having a _backup_ copy of a copyrighted "all rights reserved" video is likely covered by fair use. If you make a duplicate so that you can keep one copy in the den and one in the living room it is not clear if it's covered by "fair use". If you give a friend a copy, you are almost certainly outside of "fair use" For those who _want_ to share their work without giving up all rights, there's CreativeCommons license. http://creativecommons.org Of course, just because it's unlawful doesn't mean you will get caught. Just look at speed limits Philip, not a lawyer - honest!
Re: [MBZ] Another video, this time with pontoon and /8 aka
Im not sure or not but I think its legal to make a "backup" copy of something for your own use, but you cant give it to your friends. Then again, I may be wrong on that. Mike Canfield wrote: Ever heard of unauthorized duplication? Read the FBI warnings at the begining of a movie. Mike - Original Message - From: "Sunil Hari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another video, this time with pontoon and /8 aka Illegal to sell, but not illegal (if you've purchased it legitimately) to make copies to give to your friends - that falls under "fair use." On 12/5/05, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Excepting that in most places thats totally illegal especially if you're selling for profit. Some would even say its immoral because you're essentially taking money out of someone else's pocket. -Curt the videographer who is very sensitive to this sort of thing. Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 16:45:31 -0500 From: Sunil Hari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another video, this time with pontoon and /8 aka Fascination To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 time to burn DVD copies and sell them on ebay. or to list members at $5/disc. - Yahoo! Personals Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. Lots of someones, actually. Yahoo! Personals ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
Re: [MBZ] Another video, this time with pontoon and /8 aka
Ever heard of unauthorized duplication? Read the FBI warnings at the begining of a movie. Mike - Original Message - From: "Sunil Hari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another video, this time with pontoon and /8 aka Illegal to sell, but not illegal (if you've purchased it legitimately) to make copies to give to your friends - that falls under "fair use." On 12/5/05, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Excepting that in most places thats totally illegal especially if you're selling for profit. Some would even say its immoral because you're essentially taking money out of someone else's pocket. -Curt the videographer who is very sensitive to this sort of thing. Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 16:45:31 -0500 From: Sunil Hari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another video, this time with pontoon and /8 aka Fascination To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 time to burn DVD copies and sell them on ebay. or to list members at $5/disc. - Yahoo! Personals Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. Lots of someones, actually. Yahoo! Personals ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Another video, this time with pontoon and /8 aka
Illegal to sell, but not illegal (if you've purchased it legitimately) to make copies to give to your friends - that falls under "fair use." On 12/5/05, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Excepting that in most places thats totally illegal especially if you're > selling for profit. Some would even say its immoral because you're > essentially taking money out of someone else's pocket. > > -Curt >the videographer who is very sensitive to this sort of thing. > > > Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 16:45:31 -0500 > From: Sunil Hari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another video, this time with pontoon and /8 aka > Fascination > To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > time to burn DVD copies and sell them on ebay. or to list members at > $5/disc. > > > > - > Yahoo! Personals > Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. > Lots of someones, actually. Yahoo! Personals > ___ > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > -- Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474
Re: [MBZ] Another video, this time with pontoon and /8 aka
Excepting that in most places thats totally illegal especially if you're selling for profit. Some would even say its immoral because you're essentially taking money out of someone else's pocket. -Curt the videographer who is very sensitive to this sort of thing. Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 16:45:31 -0500 From: Sunil Hari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another video, this time with pontoon and /8 aka Fascination To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 time to burn DVD copies and sell them on ebay. or to list members at $5/disc. - Yahoo! Personals Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. Lots of someones, actually. Yahoo! Personals From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Dec 05 16:47:46 2005 Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net ([216.148.227.85]) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EjJVA-0001Zh-Qp; Mon, 05 Dec 2005 16:47:46 + Received: from comcast.net (c-24-18-178-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net[24.18.178.168](misconfigured sender)) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20051205164739014008rck8e>; Mon, 5 Dec 2005 16:47:39 + Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 08:47:37 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Mercedes list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Banned List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: [MBZ] Need equipment? X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Id: Mercedes mailing list List-Unsubscribe: <http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: <http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net> List-Post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 16:47:46 - Upcoming auction here for stuff I know somebody would kill for. If you are going to whine that it is too far away, stow it! I can deliver if you win the bid. Can access bidding online to http://www.murphyauctions.net/kenmore05dec.html#pic8 a few lawn mowers for your acreage- RANSOMES 6000 61" rotary front mower, KUBOTA 3 cyl diesel, hydrostatic trans, s/n: 000138 TORO 3100-D 3-gang reel mower, KUBOTA D1105 diesel, hydrostatic trans, ROPS, s/n: 22363 TORO 3250-D 3-gang reel mower, DAIHATSU DM850 diesel, hydrostatic trans, s/n: 24752 Maybe you need this to haul you goodies home 1999 SUN COUNTRY 52', 21,000 lb 3-car tri-axle gooseneck transport trailer w/winch, elect brakes TRAILMOBILE 38' T/A van trailer Or for fuel needs (2) 32', 5000 gal T/A tank trailers Or just some back up power for when the storms hitONAN 50kw/62.5 kva multi-tap 3 ph standby generator w/transfer switch, 6 cyl diesel ONAN 35 kw/43 kva multi-tap 3 ph standby generator w/transfer switch, 6 cyl propane ILI enclosed 215 kw/269 kva 277/ 480v, 3 ph standby generator, 6 cyl CUMMINS diesel SULLAIR J50NWH 50kw, 3 ph standby generator w/transfer switch, 6 cyl gas There is always the opportunity to add to your collection 1997 MERCEDES BENZ S320, 6 cyl, auto, p/s, p/b, a/c, cruise, p/wdw, p/seat, p/lock, sunroof Or LT Don can get to work (2) 1999 HARLEY DAVIDSON POLICE motorcycles, 2 cyl, 5 spd -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] Another video, this time with pontoon and /8
ohh, its an online forum. Hendrik Riessen wrote: Yeahh, we have even upgraded to a fancy system. http://forum.mbspares.com.au/index.php Hendrik - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 1:37 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another video, this time with pontoon and /8 Didnt know there was an ozvets forum anymore Hendrik Riessen wrote: http://www.karocom.de/TRAILERII.wmv A fella from the ozvets forum posted this, enjoy. Hendrik ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.13.10/189 - Release Date: 30/11/2005 ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
Re: [MBZ] Another video, this time with pontoon and /8
Yeahh, we have even upgraded to a fancy system. http://forum.mbspares.com.au/index.php Hendrik - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 1:37 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another video, this time with pontoon and /8 Didnt know there was an ozvets forum anymore Hendrik Riessen wrote: http://www.karocom.de/TRAILERII.wmv A fella from the ozvets forum posted this, enjoy. Hendrik ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.13.10/189 - Release Date: 30/11/2005
Re: [MBZ] Another video, this time with pontoon and /8 aka Fascination
yea, no joke. Sunil Hari wrote: time to burn DVD copies and sell them on ebay. or to list members at $5/disc. On 12/3/05, David Bruckmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: A few months ago I bought the "Fascination: The History of the Mercedes-Benz Brand" 2-DVD set that the trailer promotes. The trailer is WAY more interesting than most of the actual product. They use a lot of company and ad footage, but the commentary totally misses the boat. It could have been done SO MUCH BETTER and that's really frustrating. No interviews, no details. Just a lot of stock with a vague narrative. Some of the German reviews of this have been so glowing that they can only have been written by employees of the production company. On the other hand, as an assembly of MB stock footage it's not bad if you can get past the fact that they re-use a LOT of clips, and that there are some factual errors resulting from the English translation. But here's the kicker. The DVD is available ONLY from the Classic Centre in Germany. Even German dealers can't order it; this was confirmed by calling the Classic Centre in Germany directly. The DVD itself was 30 Euros, plus 6.50 shipping INSIDE EUROPE. If you have it sent to the US or Canada, the SHIPPING ALONE is another 60 Euros! The order number for the NTSC version is B66046424. I would say it's worth $30 (I had it sent to a German address), but I'd have been VERY irritated if I'd paid $100 for it. It's not nearly good enough to warrant that price. It MAY be possible to get it from the new US Classic Centre in California. I know that MB Canada and MB USA don't have it and cannot get it through the parts channel. D. At 12:00 PM + 12/3/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Message: 17 Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 22:24:40 +1030 From: "Hendrik Riessen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [MBZ] Another video, this time with pontoon and /8 To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" http://www.karocom.de/TRAILERII.wmv A fella from the ozvets forum posted this, enjoy. Hendrik ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
Re: [MBZ] Another video, this time with pontoon and /8 aka Fascination
time to burn DVD copies and sell them on ebay. or to list members at $5/disc. On 12/3/05, David Bruckmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > A few months ago I bought the "Fascination: The History of the > Mercedes-Benz Brand" 2-DVD set that the trailer promotes. The trailer > is WAY more interesting than most of the actual product. They use a > lot of company and ad footage, but the commentary totally misses the > boat. It could have been done SO MUCH BETTER and that's really > frustrating. No interviews, no details. Just a lot of stock with a > vague narrative. Some of the German reviews of this have been so > glowing that they can only have been written by employees of the > production company. > > On the other hand, as an assembly of MB stock footage it's not bad if > you can get past the fact that they re-use a LOT of clips, and that > there are some factual errors resulting from the English translation. > > But here's the kicker. The DVD is available ONLY from the Classic > Centre in Germany. Even German dealers can't order it; this was > confirmed by calling the Classic Centre in Germany directly. The DVD > itself was 30 Euros, plus 6.50 shipping INSIDE EUROPE. If you have it > sent to the US or Canada, the SHIPPING ALONE is another 60 Euros! The > order number for the NTSC version is B66046424. > > I would say it's worth $30 (I had it sent to a German address), but > I'd have been VERY irritated if I'd paid $100 for it. It's not nearly > good enough to warrant that price. > > It MAY be possible to get it from the new US Classic Centre in > California. I know that MB Canada and MB USA don't have it and cannot > get it through the parts channel. > > D. > > > At 12:00 PM + 12/3/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > >Message: 17 > >Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 22:24:40 +1030 > >From: "Hendrik Riessen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: [MBZ] Another video, this time with pontoon and /8 > >To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > >http://www.karocom.de/TRAILERII.wmv > >A fella from the ozvets forum posted this, enjoy. > > > >Hendrik > > > > ___ > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > -- Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474
Re: [MBZ] Another video, this time with pontoon and /8
On 12/3/05, Bob Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Kaleb typed: > > "Didnt know there was an ozvets forum anymore" > > Remind me what "ozvets" is again... > \ Old Benzes in Australia??? Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo
Re: [MBZ] Another video, this time with pontoon and /8 aka Fascination
A few months ago I bought the "Fascination: The History of the Mercedes-Benz Brand" 2-DVD set that the trailer promotes. The trailer is WAY more interesting than most of the actual product. They use a lot of company and ad footage, but the commentary totally misses the boat. It could have been done SO MUCH BETTER and that's really frustrating. No interviews, no details. Just a lot of stock with a vague narrative. Some of the German reviews of this have been so glowing that they can only have been written by employees of the production company. On the other hand, as an assembly of MB stock footage it's not bad if you can get past the fact that they re-use a LOT of clips, and that there are some factual errors resulting from the English translation. But here's the kicker. The DVD is available ONLY from the Classic Centre in Germany. Even German dealers can't order it; this was confirmed by calling the Classic Centre in Germany directly. The DVD itself was 30 Euros, plus 6.50 shipping INSIDE EUROPE. If you have it sent to the US or Canada, the SHIPPING ALONE is another 60 Euros! The order number for the NTSC version is B66046424. I would say it's worth $30 (I had it sent to a German address), but I'd have been VERY irritated if I'd paid $100 for it. It's not nearly good enough to warrant that price. It MAY be possible to get it from the new US Classic Centre in California. I know that MB Canada and MB USA don't have it and cannot get it through the parts channel. D. At 12:00 PM + 12/3/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Message: 17 Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 22:24:40 +1030 From: "Hendrik Riessen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [MBZ] Another video, this time with pontoon and /8 To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" http://www.karocom.de/TRAILERII.wmv A fella from the ozvets forum posted this, enjoy. Hendrik
Re: [MBZ] Another video, this time with pontoon and /8
Kaleb typed: "Didnt know there was an ozvets forum anymore" Remind me what "ozvets" is again... Bob Rentfro '77 300D 144K Litchfield Park, AZ
Re: [MBZ] Another video, this time with pontoon and /8
Didnt know there was an ozvets forum anymore Hendrik Riessen wrote: http://www.karocom.de/TRAILERII.wmv A fella from the ozvets forum posted this, enjoy. Hendrik ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
[MBZ] Another video, this time with pontoon and /8
http://www.karocom.de/TRAILERII.wmv A fella from the ozvets forum posted this, enjoy. Hendrik From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat Dec 03 11:59:54 2005 Received: from ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony3.iinet.net.au ([203.59.1.197] helo=mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony3.iinet.net.au) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EiW3W-0005Jz-AA for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sat, 03 Dec 2005 11:59:54 + Received: from 203-173-47-220.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO yourwxrsc38umf) ([203.173.47.220]) by mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony3.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 03 Dec 2005 19:59:48 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AA=Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: "Hendrik Riessen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 22:29:44 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another video, this time with pontoon and /8 X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Id: Mercedes mailing list List-Unsubscribe: <http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: <http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net> List-Post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2005 11:59:54 - Sorry should a warned yous, it's about 6mb big. Hendrik - Original Message - From: "Hendrik Riessen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 10:24 PM Subject: [MBZ] Another video, this time with pontoon and /8 > http://www.karocom.de/TRAILERII.wmv > A fella from the ozvets forum posted this, enjoy. > > Hendrik > ___ > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.13.10/189 - Release Date: > 30/11/2005 >
