Re: [MBZ] Arctic Q

[LT Don]

I smell the need for an APU.

On 12/13/05, wilton strickland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Re. charging 24v scooter bat.  I also considered separating the 2 12v bats
> and charging them directly, but that requires disassembly of bat pack,
> etc.,
> a tough job with my shaky hands, even tougher to do it repeatedly.  I need
> to just "plug and play."
>
> Found a device at Radio Sack that produces 27v DC from 12 v DC; need to
> change output jack to fit scooter bat recept.  'Still considering this.
>
> 'Think I'd rather use the battery maker's charger thus far, though.  That
> needs 120v  AC - the easiest for me to do alone.  (Electrons are
> electrons,
> though, and bat doesn't care where it gets 'em as long as it doesn't get
> too
> many too fast and can stop 'em after it gets enough.)
>
> BTW, some smaller inverters do plug into lighter socket.
>
> Wilton
>
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Re: [MBZ] Arctic Q

[Jim Cathey]

Re. charging 24v scooter bat.  I also considered separating the 2 12v 
bats
and charging them directly, but that requires disassembly of bat pack, 
etc.,
a tough job with my shaky hands, even tougher to do it repeatedly.  I 
need

to just "plug and play."


One disassembly.  You could perhaps put a connector and/or switch in 
place
to ease the process thereafter.  But by far the simplest approach (and 
most

expensive) is to buy an inverter and just feed it ersatz wall juice.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Arctic Q

[Jim Cathey]

But if the scooter has a sealed, gell-cell type lead acid, the charging
voltage will be different than that for the battery under the hood.


Perhaps not if you're using an Optima battery.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Arctic Q

[Craig McCluskey]

On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:58:09 -0500 "wilton strickland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> 'Think I'd rather use the battery maker's charger thus far, though. 
> That needs 120v  AC - the easiest for me to do alone.  (Electrons are
> electrons, though, and bat doesn't care where it gets 'em as long as it
> doesn't get too many too fast and can stop 'em after it gets enough.)
> 
> BTW, some smaller inverters do plug into lighter socket.

Wilton,

Using the manufacturer's charger is the best idea -- different battery
chemistries will require different charging voltages and the manufacturer
has already thought about that.


Craig

Re: [MBZ] Arctic Q

[Craig McCluskey]

On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 10:36:42 -0500 Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Or, if the scooter battery is 12v lead acid, you could skip the
> inverter/charger and hook the scooter battery to the car, maybe
> with a trailer connector in the trunk.

But if the scooter has a sealed, gell-cell type lead acid, the charging
voltage will be different than that for the battery under the hood.


Craig

[MBZ] Arctic Q

[wilton strickland]

Re. charging 24v scooter bat.  I also considered separating the 2 12v bats
and charging them directly, but that requires disassembly of bat pack, etc.,
a tough job with my shaky hands, even tougher to do it repeatedly.  I need
to just "plug and play."

Found a device at Radio Sack that produces 27v DC from 12 v DC; need to
change output jack to fit scooter bat recept.  'Still considering this.

'Think I'd rather use the battery maker's charger thus far, though.  That
needs 120v  AC - the easiest for me to do alone.  (Electrons are electrons,
though, and bat doesn't care where it gets 'em as long as it doesn't get too
many too fast and can stop 'em after it gets enough.)

BTW, some smaller inverters do plug into lighter socket.

Wilton

Re: [MBZ] Arctic Q

[David Brodbeck]

Mike Canfield wrote:
Seems there should be some sort 
of step up transformer you could use with a rectifier to go from 12VDC to 
24VDC and save the energy loss in the transfer to AC and back to DC.


To step up from a lower voltage to a higher one you *have* to go through 
AC at some point.  There are DC/DC converters, and they're slightly more 
efficient, but only because they run their AC portions at a higher 
frequency than the 60 Hz that stuff that plugs into a standard outlet 
uses.  (A common example of this is a photo flash -- that whistle you 
hear when it's charging is a DC/DC converter that's changing the 3 or 6 
volts from your camera batteries into the 300+ volts needed by the flash 
tube.)

Re: [MBZ] Arctic Q

[Mike Canfield]

Wilton,
 You can pick up a 700 watt for $70 or less and then you can use it for 
more than just the charger.  You can run many assorted powertools with one 
that size.  Be carefull when you buy one thoughBe sure it is rated for 
use with a battery charger.  Some are not.  Seems there should be some sort 
of step up transformer you could use with a rectifier to go from 12VDC to 
24VDC and save the energy loss in the transfer to AC and back to DC.  I 
don't know the specifics but someone here with an electical engineering 
background should be able to whip you up a charger in no time.


Mike
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 5:32 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Arctic Q


Scooter bat is 24v DC (2 12v lead/acid in series); charger input is 120v 
AC,

1.2 amp; output is 29.5v DC, 1.5 amp.
'Considering 300 watt inverter.

Wilton


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Re: [MBZ] Arctic Q

[Mitch Haley]

Christopher McCann wrote:
> 
> I've seen, I think, 120V converters that you plug  into the lighter...is that 
> possible? 

For 1.2A at 120VAc it's possible, you'd probably need 14g wiring and a 20A fuse 
for
the lighter socket. (or wire up a heavy duty power outlet w 20A fuse)

Re: [MBZ] Arctic Q

[Christopher McCann]

I've seen, I think, 120V converters that you plug  into the lighter...is that 
possible? I know NOTHING about electricity  except + = positive and - = 
negative.
  
  Chris

wilton strickland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Scooter bat is 24v DC (2 12v 
lead/acid in series); charger input is 120v AC,
1.2 amp; output is 29.5v DC, 1.5 amp.
'Considering 300 watt inverter.

Wilton


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My opinion is that averages don't mean JACK..  If your stock is  
going up or down, it doesn't matter what the averages say.  Same goes  
for diesel... What it costs in your neighborhood/local station is all  
that counts.

Guess I've turned into an OF...  aka curmudgeon!

Take care and Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all..

Chuck
Phoenix AZ

On Dec 12, 2005, at 2:25 PM, Tom Hargrave wrote:

> Ron,
>
> Who's average? Your local average? These numbers are published by the
> Government and they cover huge regions.
  

[MBZ] Arctic Q

[wilton strickland]

Scooter bat is 24v DC (2 12v lead/acid in series); charger input is 120v AC,
1.2 amp; output is 29.5v DC, 1.5 amp.
'Considering 300 watt inverter.

Wilton

Re: [MBZ] Arctic Q

[Mitch Haley]

wilton strickland wrote:
> 
> Mitch, I am considering an inverter for the car to charge the scooter.
> Charger uses only abt 2 amps, though.

If your car has a 70 or 80 amp alternator, it could probably handle that
with a 300W inverter. With the old 45 amp alt, I'd only do it on long freeway
trips. 

Or, if the scooter battery is 12v lead acid, you could skip the
inverter/charger and hook the scooter battery to the car, maybe
with a trailer connector in the trunk.

[MBZ] Arctic Q

[wilton strickland]

Mitch, I am considering an inverter for the car to charge the scooter.
Charger uses only abt 2 amps, though.

Wilton

[MBZ] Arctic Q

[wilton strickland]

Thanks, Mike and Chris.  A photo of me riding the 3-wheel elec scooter on
Arctic Ocean would be neat.  Wonder if mfgr would sponsor me.

BTW, summer of 78 in Greenland, mosquitos at times formed a grey cloud
around me.
Had to breathe slowly thru nose to avoid ingesting them with open mouth.
'Don't think I was bitten by one the entire year, though.  At 0800 each day,
I'd spray my ankles and arms lightly with OFF, then wet my palms with it and
rub them lightly on neck, ears and face.  Pyschological aspect of having so
many 'squiters close to me was worse than their bite - they just didn't bite
me.

Wilton

Re: [MBZ] Arctic Q

[Mitch Haley]

Christopher McCann wrote:
> 
>   We'll get a good picture of you on your three wheeler once we hit
> the tundra: "Wilton driving to the Arctic Ocean!"

Sounds like somebody needs to put a 150A alternator and an inverter
in Wilton's car to charge the scooter.

Re: [MBZ] Arctic Q

[Christopher McCann]

Ditto, if you want to go, we will do our best. Your call. Seriously.
  
  We'll get a good picture of you on your three wheeler once we hit the tundra: 
"Wilton driving to the Arctic Ocean!"
  
  Chris

Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Wilton,
  Sounds like maybe a trip like the proposed Arctic-Q could be good..A 
long beautiful drive amongst a group of friends to lend a hand if need be.

Wishing you the best, Mike
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To: 
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 10:23 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Arctic Q


> My physical ability - 'can barely walk, 'lost most feeling below knees, 
> 'bad
> tension tremor in hands when trying to do little stuff - type, eat, write,
> turn pages, turn wrenches, etc.  Now using 4-wheel push walker and 3-wheel
> electric scooter; 'put 'em in the trunk when I drive.  'Can still drive 
> very
> well - even fly; hands are rock steady at rest and when on steering wheel.
> People are amazed/alarmed when they see me "hobble" to the car, then get 
> in
> and drive away.  'Condition is CIDP.  Immune sys is producing antibodies
> that are destroying my nervous sys.
>
> Wilton
>
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Christopher McCann wrote:
> Marshall,
>   
>   I thought you swore by GE OTR 8932Q? Not available in the midwest (no  
> distributor), so I bought a case (4 gallons treats 4,000 gallons - for  gas 
> stations) direct from the factory at wholesale price - they even  billed me 
> for it - no money up front. Put it in a STA-BIL container and  figured out a 
> little chart (I think it's 1/4 oz per 2 gals - I forget,  taped the chart to 
> the bottle)) and use it for anti-gel. Is a good  water DISPERSANT too along 
> with all the other usual claims. 
>   
>   When I ordered it, the salesman asked if I was interested in becoming a  
> Midwest distributor. Too many irons in the fire for me, but seems like  good 
> stuff. An opportunity there for any entrepreneur amongst us.

When it was available at the stations I fuel at, I used it and it served 
me VERY well. Now that it's NOT available where I refuel, so I use Power 
Service (but don't prefer it). It serves the purpose. THIS IS NOT ROCKET 
SCIENCE.

Marshall

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Re: [MBZ] Arctic Q

[Mike Canfield]

Wilton,
 Sounds like maybe a trip like the proposed Arctic-Q could be good..A 
long beautiful drive amongst a group of friends to lend a hand if need be.


Wishing you the best, Mike
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Subject: [MBZ] Arctic Q


My physical ability - 'can barely walk, 'lost most feeling below knees, 
'bad

tension tremor in hands when trying to do little stuff - type, eat, write,
turn pages, turn wrenches, etc.  Now using 4-wheel push walker and 3-wheel
electric scooter; 'put 'em in the trunk when I drive.  'Can still drive 
very

well - even fly; hands are rock steady at rest and when on steering wheel.
People are amazed/alarmed when they see me "hobble" to the car, then get 
in

and drive away.  'Condition is CIDP.  Immune sys is producing antibodies
that are destroying my nervous sys.

Wilton


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Re: [MBZ] Arctic Q

[redghost]

Lorenzo's Oil?  Same sort of condition and they made a special

Or not.  Just got my mind in that direction from the decription

On Friday, December 9, 2005, at 07:23 PM, wilton strickland wrote:

My physical ability - 'can barely walk, 'lost most feeling below 
knees, 'bad
tension tremor in hands when trying to do little stuff - type, eat, 
write,
turn pages, turn wrenches, etc.  Now using 4-wheel push walker and 
3-wheel
electric scooter; 'put 'em in the trunk when I drive.  'Can still 
drive very
well - even fly; hands are rock steady at rest and when on steering 
wheel.
People are amazed/alarmed when they see me "hobble" to the car, then 
get in
and drive away.  'Condition is CIDP.  Immune sys is producing 
antibodies

that are destroying my nervous sys.

Wilton


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[MBZ] Arctic Q

[wilton strickland]

My physical ability - 'can barely walk, 'lost most feeling below knees, 'bad
tension tremor in hands when trying to do little stuff - type, eat, write,
turn pages, turn wrenches, etc.  Now using 4-wheel push walker and 3-wheel
electric scooter; 'put 'em in the trunk when I drive.  'Can still drive very
well - even fly; hands are rock steady at rest and when on steering wheel.
People are amazed/alarmed when they see me "hobble" to the car, then get in
and drive away.  'Condition is CIDP.  Immune sys is producing antibodies
that are destroying my nervous sys.

Wilton

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

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U so funny meesa laff much


On Friday, December 9, 2005, at 06:11 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> Basically this is the way it goes, any cars that are DOA on the road I
> will tow back to my back yard, how does that sound?
>
> redghost wrote:
>
>> Got thinking about on the road repairs. We have a few folks that are
>> handy with a welding set up.  My B-i-L has set up his rock crawler 
>> with
>> onboard compressor (small and unknown use with tools) and welding set
>> up to deal with issues while out in the middle of nowhere.   Somebody
>> with larger truck thing or tow set up could provide for small broken
>> bits.. .swing arms and such
>>
>>
>> On Friday, December 9, 2005, at 04:58 PM, Christopher McCann wrote:
>>
>>
>>> most of it is gravel. Good portions (I would  assume those that tend
>>> to get mushy and/or washout) are paved. I don't  think any of it is
>>> pure dirt, which would be impassable when raining  (for our cars).
>>>
>>>  If Aunt Lois did it, we can do it...but it is not without some very
>>> real dangers...which is why I would rather do it than drive 1-70 end
>>> to  end and back.
>>>
>>>  Littered with cars - well, when it's dark for 2 months, that
>>> increases  the likelihood, as does snow drifts, neither of which we
>>> are likely to  encounter.
>>>
>>>  One big obstacle on this trip will be psychological. THERE WILL BE
>>> NO  DARK - PERIOD - above the Arctic Cirlce and very little south of
>>> it. It  will take some getting adjusted to. Imagine taking a nap and
>>> upon  awakening, looking at an analog clock and not knowing if it was
>>> 4PM or  4AM...WILD.
>>>
>>>  Chris
>>>  Chris
>>>
>>> Hans Neureiter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  The Dalton Hwy is 
>>> littered
>>> with abandoned cars which either slid off the
>>> road or broke down. It's a semi frozen gravel road, really messy when
>>> partially thawed. No wrecker service. David Barr rode it on an old
>>> Harley
>>> Sportster. Prosthesis on both his legs. He made it and back.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX
>>> '82 300SD, '95 E300D
>>> On 12/6/05, Christopher McCann  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> oh yes. I think the Arctic Circle is mile 115 on  the Dalton 
>>>> Hwy...it
>>>> starts in Fairbanks and goes about 440 miles to  Deadhorse...
>>>
>>>  --
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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[Mike Canfield]

Kevin,
 Wouldn't have one of the new 6.0 Powerstrokes.They are JUNK compare to 
the old Tinkenational based 7.3 Turbo Powerstroke.  Almost a bolt in in my 
86.


Mike
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On Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 11:13:04AM -0500, Mike Canfield wrote:

Guess I better just stuff a 7.3 Powersmoke in her when she gets
tired.That'll get better MPG's and tow the heck out of that camper.


Check out a few factory powerchoke vans before you decide to do that. 
Changing

a fuel filter is a religious experience. It really is a shoehorn job.

K

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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[Bob Rentfro]

Always with the angle

Bob

- Original Message - 
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?


Basically this is the way it goes, any cars that are DOA on the road I
will tow back to my back yard, how does that sound?

redghost wrote:


Got thinking about on the road repairs. We have a few folks that are
handy with a welding set up.  My B-i-L has set up his rock crawler with
onboard compressor (small and unknown use with tools) and welding set
up to deal with issues while out in the middle of nowhere.   Somebody
with larger truck thing or tow set up could provide for small broken
bits.. .swing arms and such


On Friday, December 9, 2005, at 04:58 PM, Christopher McCann wrote:



most of it is gravel. Good portions (I would  assume those that tend
to get mushy and/or washout) are paved. I don't  think any of it is
pure dirt, which would be impassable when raining  (for our cars).

 If Aunt Lois did it, we can do it...but it is not without some very
real dangers...which is why I would rather do it than drive 1-70 end
to  end and back.

 Littered with cars - well, when it's dark for 2 months, that
increases  the likelihood, as does snow drifts, neither of which we
are likely to  encounter.

 One big obstacle on this trip will be psychological. THERE WILL BE
NO  DARK - PERIOD - above the Arctic Cirlce and very little south of
it. It  will take some getting adjusted to. Imagine taking a nap and
upon  awakening, looking at an analog clock and not knowing if it was
4PM or  4AM...WILD.

 Chris
 Chris

Hans Neureiter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  The Dalton Hwy is littered
with abandoned cars which either slid off the
road or broke down. It's a semi frozen gravel road, really messy when
partially thawed. No wrecker service. David Barr rode it on an old
Harley
Sportster. Prosthesis on both his legs. He made it and back.

--
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'82 300SD, '95 E300D
On 12/6/05, Christopher McCann  wrote:



oh yes. I think the Arctic Circle is mile 115 on  the Dalton Hwy...it
starts in Fairbanks and goes about 440 miles to  Deadhorse...


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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[Mitch Haley]

Bob Rentfro wrote:
> 
> Good idea. Individuals can bounce that off of their Indys.

If Myna-Diesel will rebuild my IP, I'll pay for the parts and
put their sticker on my car.

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[Bob Rentfro]

Chris mentioned:

"One big obstacle on this trip will be psychological. THERE WILL BE NO 
DARK - PERIOD - above the Arctic Cirlce and very little south of it. It 
will take some getting adjusted to. Imagine taking a nap and upon 
awakening, looking at an analog clock and not knowing if it was 4PM or 
4AM...WILD".


No problem for those of us who have worked shift work for 20 years.

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 144K
Litchfield Park, AZ

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[Bob Rentfro]

Good idea. Individuals can bounce that off of their Indys.
I'll give an update on sponsors beginning of next week. The only emphatic 
"no thanks" was Sears/Craftsman.


Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 144K
Litchfield Park, AZ (where it was 71 on my patio today, btw)


- Original Message - 
From: "Christopher McCann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?


Bob has been doing alot of the sponsorship stuff.  It occured to me that 
there are easy possibilitites for  local/individual sponsorship too. I bet 
Star Motors (my Indy) would  sponsor me. They run ads as it is...THEY keep 
my car in top condition,  so it's an easy spin for them in a new ad. Others 
could do the same.  All shops have logos and sign making places are 
everywhere.


 Chris

Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Maybe someone could convince 
Nokian or Bridgestone to give everyone involved

a deal on a new set of snows for the trip.  The advertising potential for a
trip like this could be astronomical!  Chris, you may actually be able to
sell advertising to MANY different companies.If they are willing to give
people cars and such for having a banner on them then I am sure some MBZ
Dealerships would LOVE to see thier name on 20 or so classic Benz' making
the trip for a measly few hundred dollars each...Advertising is where
the money is.


Mike
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To: "Mercedes mailing list"
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?


good to know becuase everything I read and the  reports of Aunt Lois were of
the swarms of mosquitos. Camped for a week  in the Algonquin Provincial
Park - NEVER saw mosquitos like that  before!.

 Litttle Colder in September...but even today, the temp in Deadhorse
s  -10F...I talked to my father in law who farms outside Madison, WI and  it
was 0 there on MOnday - not the end of the world - snow  drifts...that's a
problem.

 Chris

Bob Rentfro  wrote:  Chris speculated:

"THis wouldn't be a winter trip...the biggest annoyance will be
MOSQUITOS...,of course I'll be reminded of that when we get snowbound  in
one of those rare summer snow storms and are freezing in a snow  drift."

They say the beginning of September is nice...most of the mosquitos are
gone, leaves have turned, etc.

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 144K
Litchfield Park, AZ


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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

No, it will be stripped and crushed by then :)

Chris wrote:





Basically this is the way it goes, any cars that are DOA on the road I
will tow back to my back yard, how does that sound?




...and have fixed by the time the owner comes to claim it.  Right?


Chris K
Cayce, SC

redghost wrote:



Got thinking about on the road repairs. We have a few folks that are
handy with a welding set up.  My B-i-L has set up his rock crawler with
onboard compressor (small and unknown use with tools) and welding set
up to deal with issues while out in the middle of nowhere.   Somebody
with larger truck thing or tow set up could provide for small broken
bits.. .swing arms and such


On Friday, December 9, 2005, at 04:58 PM, Christopher McCann wrote:




most of it is gravel. Good portions (I would  assume those that tend
to get mushy and/or washout) are paved. I don't  think any of it is
pure dirt, which would be impassable when raining  (for our cars).

If Aunt Lois did it, we can do it...but it is not without some very
real dangers...which is why I would rather do it than drive 1-70 end
to  end and back.

Littered with cars - well, when it's dark for 2 months, that
increases  the likelihood, as does snow drifts, neither of which we
are likely to  encounter.

One big obstacle on this trip will be psychological. THERE WILL BE
NO  DARK - PERIOD - above the Arctic Cirlce and very little south of
it. It  will take some getting adjusted to. Imagine taking a nap and
upon  awakening, looking at an analog clock and not knowing if it was
4PM or  4AM...WILD.

Chris
Chris

Hans Neureiter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  The Dalton Hwy is littered
with abandoned cars which either slid off the
road or broke down. It's a semi frozen gravel road, really messy when
partially thawed. No wrecker service. David Barr rode it on an old
Harley
Sportster. Prosthesis on both his legs. He made it and back.

--
Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX
'82 300SD, '95 E300D
On 12/6/05, Christopher McCann  wrote:




oh yes. I think the Arctic Circle is mile 115 on  the Dalton Hwy...it
starts in Fairbanks and goes about 440 miles to  Deadhorse...


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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[Chris]

Basically this is the way it goes, any cars that are DOA on the road I
will tow back to my back yard, how does that sound?



...and have fixed by the time the owner comes to claim it.  Right?


Chris K
Cayce, SC

redghost wrote:


Got thinking about on the road repairs. We have a few folks that are
handy with a welding set up.  My B-i-L has set up his rock crawler with
onboard compressor (small and unknown use with tools) and welding set
up to deal with issues while out in the middle of nowhere.   Somebody
with larger truck thing or tow set up could provide for small broken
bits.. .swing arms and such


On Friday, December 9, 2005, at 04:58 PM, Christopher McCann wrote:



most of it is gravel. Good portions (I would  assume those that tend
to get mushy and/or washout) are paved. I don't  think any of it is
pure dirt, which would be impassable when raining  (for our cars).

 If Aunt Lois did it, we can do it...but it is not without some very
real dangers...which is why I would rather do it than drive 1-70 end
to  end and back.

 Littered with cars - well, when it's dark for 2 months, that
increases  the likelihood, as does snow drifts, neither of which we
are likely to  encounter.

 One big obstacle on this trip will be psychological. THERE WILL BE
NO  DARK - PERIOD - above the Arctic Cirlce and very little south of
it. It  will take some getting adjusted to. Imagine taking a nap and
upon  awakening, looking at an analog clock and not knowing if it was
4PM or  4AM...WILD.

 Chris
 Chris

Hans Neureiter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  The Dalton Hwy is littered
with abandoned cars which either slid off the
road or broke down. It's a semi frozen gravel road, really messy when
partially thawed. No wrecker service. David Barr rode it on an old
Harley
Sportster. Prosthesis on both his legs. He made it and back.

--
Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX
'82 300SD, '95 E300D
On 12/6/05, Christopher McCann  wrote:



oh yes. I think the Arctic Circle is mile 115 on  the Dalton Hwy...it
starts in Fairbanks and goes about 440 miles to  Deadhorse...


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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Basically this is the way it goes, any cars that are DOA on the road I 
will tow back to my back yard, how does that sound?


redghost wrote:

Got thinking about on the road repairs. We have a few folks that are 
handy with a welding set up.  My B-i-L has set up his rock crawler with 
onboard compressor (small and unknown use with tools) and welding set 
up to deal with issues while out in the middle of nowhere.   Somebody 
with larger truck thing or tow set up could provide for small broken 
bits.. .swing arms and such



On Friday, December 9, 2005, at 04:58 PM, Christopher McCann wrote:


most of it is gravel. Good portions (I would  assume those that tend 
to get mushy and/or washout) are paved. I don't  think any of it is 
pure dirt, which would be impassable when raining  (for our cars).


 If Aunt Lois did it, we can do it...but it is not without some very  
real dangers...which is why I would rather do it than drive 1-70 end 
to  end and back.


 Littered with cars - well, when it's dark for 2 months, that 
increases  the likelihood, as does snow drifts, neither of which we 
are likely to  encounter.


 One big obstacle on this trip will be psychological. THERE WILL BE 
NO  DARK - PERIOD - above the Arctic Cirlce and very little south of 
it. It  will take some getting adjusted to. Imagine taking a nap and 
upon  awakening, looking at an analog clock and not knowing if it was 
4PM or  4AM...WILD.


 Chris
 Chris

Hans Neureiter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  The Dalton Hwy is littered 
with abandoned cars which either slid off the

road or broke down. It's a semi frozen gravel road, really messy when
partially thawed. No wrecker service. David Barr rode it on an old 
Harley

Sportster. Prosthesis on both his legs. He made it and back.

--
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'82 300SD, '95 E300D
On 12/6/05, Christopher McCann  wrote:



oh yes. I think the Arctic Circle is mile 115 on  the Dalton Hwy...it
starts in Fairbanks and goes about 440 miles to  Deadhorse...


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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[redghost]

That would say something about the reliability of our cars if that got 
seen.  Not sure how much welding together I need to put Gump through to 
have her survive the trip


On Friday, December 9, 2005, at 05:34 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:


how about a semi with about a 9 car hauler?

redghost wrote:


Maybe we need to get a BIG truck with trailer for hauling cars home?


On Thursday, December 8, 2005, at 09:57 AM, Hans Neureiter wrote:



The Dalton Hwy is littered with abandoned cars which either slid off
the
road or broke down. It's a semi frozen gravel road, really messy when
partially thawed. No wrecker service. David Barr rode it on an old
Harley
Sportster. Prosthesis on both his legs. He made it and back.

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On 12/6/05, Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


oh yes. I think the Arctic Circle is mile 115 on  the Dalton 
Hwy...it

starts in Fairbanks and goes about 440 miles to  Deadhorse...


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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[redghost]

Got thinking about on the road repairs. We have a few folks that are 
handy with a welding set up.  My B-i-L has set up his rock crawler with 
onboard compressor (small and unknown use with tools) and welding set 
up to deal with issues while out in the middle of nowhere.   Somebody 
with larger truck thing or tow set up could provide for small broken 
bits.. .swing arms and such



On Friday, December 9, 2005, at 04:58 PM, Christopher McCann wrote:

most of it is gravel. Good portions (I would  assume those that tend 
to get mushy and/or washout) are paved. I don't  think any of it is 
pure dirt, which would be impassable when raining  (for our cars).


  If Aunt Lois did it, we can do it...but it is not without some very  
real dangers...which is why I would rather do it than drive 1-70 end 
to  end and back.


  Littered with cars - well, when it's dark for 2 months, that 
increases  the likelihood, as does snow drifts, neither of which we 
are likely to  encounter.


  One big obstacle on this trip will be psychological. THERE WILL BE 
NO  DARK - PERIOD - above the Arctic Cirlce and very little south of 
it. It  will take some getting adjusted to. Imagine taking a nap and 
upon  awakening, looking at an analog clock and not knowing if it was 
4PM or  4AM...WILD.


  Chris
  Chris

Hans Neureiter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  The Dalton Hwy is littered 
with abandoned cars which either slid off the

road or broke down. It's a semi frozen gravel road, really messy when
partially thawed. No wrecker service. David Barr rode it on an old 
Harley

Sportster. Prosthesis on both his legs. He made it and back.

--
Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX
'82 300SD, '95 E300D
On 12/6/05, Christopher McCann  wrote:


oh yes. I think the Arctic Circle is mile 115 on  the Dalton Hwy...it
starts in Fairbanks and goes about 440 miles to  Deadhorse...

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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I have been to alaska many times durring the summer, it does take some 
getting used to.  Doesnt get dark till about 11pm, and then only about 
as dark as dusk is here.  And the sun comes back up at around 3am or so.


Christopher McCann wrote:


most of it is gravel. Good portions (I would  assume those that tend to get 
mushy and/or washout) are paved. I don't  think any of it is pure dirt, which 
would be impassable when raining  (for our cars).
  
  If Aunt Lois did it, we can do it...but it is not without some very  real dangers...which is why I would rather do it than drive 1-70 end to  end and back.
  
  Littered with cars - well, when it's dark for 2 months, that increases  the likelihood, as does snow drifts, neither of which we are likely to  encounter.
  
  One big obstacle on this trip will be psychological. THERE WILL BE NO  DARK - PERIOD - above the Arctic Cirlce and very little south of it. It  will take some getting adjusted to. Imagine taking a nap and upon  awakening, looking at an analog clock and not knowing if it was 4PM or  4AM...WILD.
  
  Chris

  Chris

Hans Neureiter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  The Dalton Hwy is littered with 
abandoned cars which either slid off the
road or broke down. It's a semi frozen gravel road, really messy when
partially thawed. No wrecker service. David Barr rode it on an old Harley
Sportster. Prosthesis on both his legs. He made it and back.

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On 12/6/05, Christopher McCann  wrote:



oh yes. I think the Arctic Circle is mile 115 on  the Dalton Hwy...it
starts in Fairbanks and goes about 440 miles to  Deadhorse...


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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

how about a semi with about a 9 car hauler?

redghost wrote:


Maybe we need to get a BIG truck with trailer for hauling cars home?


On Thursday, December 8, 2005, at 09:57 AM, Hans Neureiter wrote:


The Dalton Hwy is littered with abandoned cars which either slid off 
the

road or broke down. It's a semi frozen gravel road, really messy when
partially thawed. No wrecker service. David Barr rode it on an old 
Harley

Sportster. Prosthesis on both his legs. He made it and back.

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On 12/6/05, Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



oh yes. I think the Arctic Circle is mile 115 on  the Dalton Hwy...it
starts in Fairbanks and goes about 440 miles to  Deadhorse...


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Re: [MBZ] Arctic Q

[Christopher McCann]

Wilton,
  
  How physically unable are you? Don't think anyone wants to drive 
alone...could be a shotgun seat for you...
  
  Chris

wilton strickland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  'FI were physically able, I'd be 
in.

Wilton

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Wilton,

  How physically unable are you? Don't think anyone wants to drive 
alone...could be a shotgun seat for you...

  Chris

wilton strickland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  'FI were physically able, I'd 
be in.

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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[Hans Neureiter]

Couple of Unimogs will do.

On 12/9/05, redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Maybe we need to get a BIG truck with trailer for hauling cars home?
>
>
> On Thursday, December 8, 2005, at 09:57 AM, Hans Neureiter wrote:
>
> > The Dalton Hwy is littered with abandoned cars which either slid off
> > the
> > road or broke down. It's a semi frozen gravel road, really messy when
> > partially thawed. No wrecker service. David Barr rode it on an old
> > Harley
> > Sportster. Prosthesis on both his legs. He made it and back.
> >
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> > Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX
> > '82 300SD, '95 E300D
> > On 12/6/05, Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> oh yes. I think the Arctic Circle is mile 115 on  the Dalton Hwy...it
> >> starts in Fairbanks and goes about 440 miles to  Deadhorse...
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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[Bob Rentfro]

Oh ye of little faith

Bob


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Maybe we need to get a BIG truck with trailer for hauling cars home?


On Thursday, December 8, 2005, at 09:57 AM, Hans Neureiter wrote:

The Dalton Hwy is littered with abandoned cars which either slid off 
the

road or broke down. It's a semi frozen gravel road, really messy when
partially thawed. No wrecker service. David Barr rode it on an old 
Harley

Sportster. Prosthesis on both his legs. He made it and back.

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On 12/6/05, Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


oh yes. I think the Arctic Circle is mile 115 on  the Dalton Hwy...it
starts in Fairbanks and goes about 440 miles to  Deadhorse...

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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[Kevin]

On Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 11:13:04AM -0500, Mike Canfield wrote:
> Guess I better just stuff a 7.3 Powersmoke in her when she gets 
> tired.That'll get better MPG's and tow the heck out of that camper.

Check out a few factory powerchoke vans before you decide to do that. Changing
a fuel filter is a religious experience. It really is a shoehorn job.

K

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[redghost]

Maybe we need to get a BIG truck with trailer for hauling cars home?


On Thursday, December 8, 2005, at 09:57 AM, Hans Neureiter wrote:

The Dalton Hwy is littered with abandoned cars which either slid off 
the

road or broke down. It's a semi frozen gravel road, really messy when
partially thawed. No wrecker service. David Barr rode it on an old 
Harley

Sportster. Prosthesis on both his legs. He made it and back.

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'82 300SD, '95 E300D
On 12/6/05, Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


oh yes. I think the Arctic Circle is mile 115 on  the Dalton Hwy...it
starts in Fairbanks and goes about 440 miles to  Deadhorse...

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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[Mike Canfield]

YEAH I BET YOU WOULD  Maybe ALL of your 123's and some cash to 
bootLOLOLOL.I've thought a few times about selling the Ford and 
getting a 1 ton Sprinter to pull the trailer but the ole 6.9 Tinkernational 
is still going strong at 245,000 miles and the body is nearly like new(It's 
an 86)Guess I better just stuff a 7.3 Powersmoke in her when she gets 
tired.That'll get better MPG's and tow the heck out of that camper.


Mike
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I will trade you for a 123

Mike Canfield wrote:


I already have a 7 passenger E350 Diesel conversion van and 35 foot
tag-a-long camper but at 12mpg i think I'd better leave that rig in the
StaesLOLOL.Wonder if I could swap with 'em..I do want another
123 diesel s

Mike
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Mike wondered:

"Nor the Land Cruiser...Will this be MBZ specific?  What about Benz
powered?  Like my dream of an old Willy's Wagoneer with a 300D engine
runnning WVO for example?  That may be a possibilty by then."

I'm sure a spattering of non-MBs in the procession will be
acceptable...since I'm pretty sure we'll have nothing to do with MBCA on
our
escapade. We have a long time do hammer these things out...and a long 
time

for some of us to add a MB to our fleet. For example:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?J5CE5474C

I think the MB gods are telling m something.

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 144K
Litchfield Park, AZ


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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I will trade you for a 123

Mike Canfield wrote:

I already have a 7 passenger E350 Diesel conversion van and 35 foot 
tag-a-long camper but at 12mpg i think I'd better leave that rig in the 
StaesLOLOL.Wonder if I could swap with 'em..I do want another 
123 diesel s


Mike
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Mike wondered:

"Nor the Land Cruiser...Will this be MBZ specific?  What about Benz
powered?  Like my dream of an old Willy's Wagoneer with a 300D engine
runnning WVO for example?  That may be a possibilty by then."

I'm sure a spattering of non-MBs in the procession will be
acceptable...since I'm pretty sure we'll have nothing to do with MBCA on 
our

escapade. We have a long time do hammer these things out...and a long time
for some of us to add a MB to our fleet. For example:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?J5CE5474C

I think the MB gods are telling m something.

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 144K
Litchfield Park, AZ


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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q

[John Robbins]

Craig McCluskey wrote:

On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 21:03:23 -0800 David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


It continues to amaze me what can be done with modern switching
supplies.  I've seen linear supplies with a quarter of that output that
weighed 50 pounds and were *much* larger.  Roughly half the volume (and
probably 90% of the weight) was the transformer.



I derived the relationship years ago, but don't remember for sure now, but
I think the volume (and thus weight) goes as the inverse cube of the
operating frequency. So if you're switching at 50,000 to 100,000 (or even
1,000,000) Hz instead of 60 Hz, things can get really small really
quickly. Unfortunately, it also scales as some function of the maximum
magnetic field in the core. For 60 Hz transformers, this is 12,000 -
15,000 gauss, while in the higher frequency transformers it's only 3,000
gauss. So the decrease in size isn't as large as the ratio of frequency,
but things still get small.



You guys will like what my school job is working with...  10kW 28VDC to 
3-phase, 120/208VAC, 50/60/400Hz.  17" x 19" x 8.25"


http://www.dtims.com/press/pdf/03072005c_pr.pdf
http://www.milcotsdigest.com/Articles/2005/may-june/Opinion/default.htm
http://www.msstate.edu/web/media/detail.php?id=2825

Check out the alternator on the second site... 400A at 28VDC!!!

John

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q

[John Robbins]

1.5 kW in 1U (1.75" high) sounds great.


http://www.xantrex.com/web/id/80/p/1/pt/26/product.asp

Oops... 1.2kW ;)  Picture sure looks like 2U, doesn't say what size the 
2.8kW are...



Where do you work?


Adtran


What do you do?


I'm a Co-op student in their "Test Engineering" department.  One really 
cool thing about Adtran is that **EVERY** product shipped goes through a 
100% functional test.  IE, if it is an HDSL card, we power it up, 
configure it, run data over it, simulate kFt of wire, etc. The TE 
department designs the hardware to test 24 of those cards at once, 
simulate the 9kFt of wire, generate test signals, analyze signals, route 
  signals through the test bank, and the software to control the test 
and log the data.


Now that I've probably bored ya, what work do you do?

Random note: The broadband wars in major cities should be getting 
interesting


Google says:
http://www.aware.com/products/dsl/adsl2plus.htm -- 25MBits at your house
http://www.aware.com/products/dsl/vdsl.htm -- 52MBits at your house

On the VDSL you can get 3 MPEG4 video streams of HDTV, VOIP phone 
service, AND still have bandwidth leftover for all you're internet 
browsing needs.  Way cool stuff :)


John

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q

[Craig McCluskey]

On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 21:03:23 -0800 David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> It continues to amaze me what can be done with modern switching
> supplies.  I've seen linear supplies with a quarter of that output that
> weighed 50 pounds and were *much* larger.  Roughly half the volume (and
> probably 90% of the weight) was the transformer.

I derived the relationship years ago, but don't remember for sure now, but
I think the volume (and thus weight) goes as the inverse cube of the
operating frequency. So if you're switching at 50,000 to 100,000 (or even
1,000,000) Hz instead of 60 Hz, things can get really small really
quickly. Unfortunately, it also scales as some function of the maximum
magnetic field in the core. For 60 Hz transformers, this is 12,000 -
15,000 gauss, while in the higher frequency transformers it's only 3,000
gauss. So the decrease in size isn't as large as the ratio of frequency,
but things still get small.


Craig

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[David Brodbeck]

Jim Cathey wrote:
> The CB in the Unimog worked, even floored on the highway with me
> wearing shooting muffs.  It was mounted over my head, though.

Yeah, CBs are at least designed for in-vehicle use.

> That's a real problem with CB too unless you're using a real antenna.
> Only the rooftop magnetic mount antennae I've tried haven't given me
> a noticeable problem with this when caravanning.  (I've never used an
> even better hard-mount whip antenna.)

Antennas are a problem for CB, because the frequency is relatively low.
 Any antenna of a reasonable length for mobile use ends up being very
inefficient.  Almost no one can run a full quarter-wave whip, so
everyone ends up using antennas with loading coils.

This is why hams generally use the VHF bands for car-to-car
communications.  A quarter-wave whip for the popular 2 meter band is
only about a foot long.  A 5/8-wave whip (which gives around 3 dB gain,
by not radiating anything straight up or straight down) is a little over
four feet.  Very managable.

>From a modern perspective, the frequency allocation for CB makes no
sense.  Give people the 11 meter band, a shortwave band, and then tell
them not to make long-distance contacts?  Ridiculous.  The problem was,
back when CB was created, VHF radios were expensive to build.

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q

[David Brodbeck]

John Robbins wrote:
> No clue on their inverters... but they make VERY nice 1.5kW programmable 
> DC supplies.  We use them all over the place at work.  1.5kW in 1U by 
> the way...

It continues to amaze me what can be done with modern switching
supplies.  I've seen linear supplies with a quarter of that output that
weighed 50 pounds and were *much* larger.  Roughly half the volume (and
probably 90% of the weight) was the transformer.

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q

[Craig McCluskey]

On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 22:31:32 -0600 John Robbins
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> No clue on their inverters... but they make VERY nice 1.5kW programmable
> DC supplies.  We use them all over the place at work.  1.5kW in 1U by 
> the way...

1.5 kW in 1U (1.75" high) sounds great.

Where do you work?

What do you do?


Craig

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[Jim Cathey]

I thought the point of having a CB was to BE on the trucker channels?


Only one of your many fine options!  We were after semi-private
communications.  Basic yakking about inconsequentials, mostly.
Just to while away the time on the road, using cheap reliable quality
lighter-powered gear that's big enough to handle easily without
devoting too much attention to it.  Remember MIB's raging cricket (?)
gun?  Too small!  I've got the same complaint about telephone
handsets these days, whether cellular or not.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q

[John Robbins]

Mike Canfield wrote:

Xantrex is about the best I hear.


No clue on their inverters... but they make VERY nice 1.5kW programmable 
DC supplies.  We use them all over the place at work.  1.5kW in 1U by 
the way...


John

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q

[Mike Canfield]

AC to DC power inverters are common and cheap nowadays.  Anything more than 
10 cents a watt is too much for average use.  You can get 750 watts or 
bigger and run power drills and such.  I run a 110 electric impact wrench, 4 
inch grinder and many other things with mine.  They have them now at most 
auto parts stores and WalMart stores.  Xantrex is about the best I hear.


Mike
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From: "TimothyPilgrim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 11:25 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q



Easy.

My parents have a 120V electric blower fireplace insert for their wood
fireplace. When the ice storm hit and they were without power for 3
days in the dead of winter, so my dad plugged the Radio Shack power
invertor into the 12V lighter in his Cadillac (with a 350 V8 of
course) and ran an extension cord into the house. Then he plugged the
fireplace insert into the cord. It didn't heat the -entire- 3500 sqft
house, but enough rooms that they could get by.

In Montreal, where power was out for weeks, they parked diesel
locomotives in the downtown streets to serve as generators for the
core buildings.

Tim
1982 300TD Moby

On 12/7/05, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

do tell more about this!!

TimothyPilgrim wrote:

> Won't we all be bringing a diesel generator? I mean, why not just
> bring inverters and use the car engines? It was good enough for my
> parents to keep the house warm during the big Ice Storm of 1998.
>
> Tim
> 1982 300TD Moby

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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[Mike Canfield]

I already have a 7 passenger E350 Diesel conversion van and 35 foot 
tag-a-long camper but at 12mpg i think I'd better leave that rig in the 
StaesLOLOL.Wonder if I could swap with 'em..I do want another 
123 diesel s


Mike
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From: "Bob Rentfro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?



Mike wondered:

"Nor the Land Cruiser...Will this be MBZ specific?  What about Benz
powered?  Like my dream of an old Willy's Wagoneer with a 300D engine
runnning WVO for example?  That may be a possibilty by then."

I'm sure a spattering of non-MBs in the procession will be
acceptable...since I'm pretty sure we'll have nothing to do with MBCA on 
our

escapade. We have a long time do hammer these things out...and a long time
for some of us to add a MB to our fleet. For example:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?J5CE5474C

I think the MB gods are telling m something.

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 144K
Litchfield Park, AZ


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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[OK Don]

Not for the technician license. They do require 5wpm for the general
now, but that might go away any month now.

On 12/8/05, dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Do they still require you to know Morse Code to get a license?
>
> Thanks
>
> -Dave Walton
> 94 S350, 99 E300

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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[Bob Rentfro]

I'm sending emails or calling each of them.

Got stuff off to Michelin, Mobil (their "sponsorship" paper work too me 
almost an hour to fill out) today.

MBUSAs webpage was hosing me over..I'm going to actually them tomorrow.

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 144K
Litchfield Park, AZ


- Original Message - 
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?



Oh we got that covered.

TimothyPilgrim wrote:


More sponsorship contenders:

Mobil 1 oil
PIAA lighting
Interstate batteries
The MB dealerships in Canada
Craftsman & Mastercraft tools

We'd need some sort of list-members logo too in decal form for each car.

If Michelin sponsors, do I get a rebate on the X-Ice's I bought last 
year? ;)


Tim
1982 300TD Moby

On 12/8/05, Bob Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Mike typed:

"Dealerships would LOVE to see thier name on 20 or so classic Benz' 
making

the trip for a measly few hundred dollars each...Advertising is where
the money is."


Ahh...dealerships.
I'm contacting whomever I can think of.
I'll let everyone know what I hear back from companies.
If anyone has ideas, you can email me off list so we don't clog it up. So
far I've contacted:
Hella
PPG
M1
Bilstien
Bosch
Michelin (snows depend upon when we go)
Heard back from Hella and they are interested.
Going to contact several big dealerships and MBUSA.

Bob Rrentfro
'77 300D 144K
Litchfield Park, AZ




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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I thought the point of having a CB was to BE on the trucker channels?

Jim Cathey wrote:


radios, so they tend to be poor quality designs.  The audio output is
usually insufficient to be heard over road noise without holding the
radio to your ear.



The CB in the Unimog worked, even floored on the highway with me
wearing shooting muffs.  It was mounted over my head, though.



The range is so short that if one person in the
caravan breaks down, they have less than a minute to make themselves
heard before everyone gets out of range.



That's a real problem with CB too unless you're using a real antenna.
Only the rooftop magnetic mount antennae I've tried haven't given me
a noticeable problem with this when caravanning.  (I've never used an
even better hard-mount whip antenna.)



Finally, everyone's started
giving FRS radios to their kids as walkie talkies, so right when you
need to use it there's usually some five-year-old on the channel 
singing

the alphabet song.



Breaker, breaker.  This here's the rubber duck and he's the one!
He makes bathtime oh so fun...

CB is really attractive now because that's pretty much gone from there.
Avoid the few trucker's channels and you're pretty much alone.  Unless
you run afoul of some souped-up bozo with an echo mike that's splattered
across most of the channels.  I started listening at 1, and moved to 2,
etc.  We use 3 on caravan, and almost _never_ have to move off of it.
To 4, of course.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[Jim Cathey]

Yep, and power mikes are readily available for them. I've run the 510 
and

520 for years, been very happy with them.


The difference in receiver sensitivity between my Uniden 510 and
the similar-looking Rat Shack CB that I use upstairs (to communicate
with our shooting range at parties, I just take down the handheld
RS CB that I bought years ago) is remarkable.

The Unidens are in the vehicles, the crappy stuff stays home.

I've had a lot of trouble getting two Unidens that work right, but
that's because it turned out that I bought some badly-abused specimens.
One was flooded, another had a cracked PC board.  I've had bad 
aftermarket

echo mikes crap out, and speaker wires have broken.  But I think I've
finally got a set of two or three that are solid.  I'm absolutely
convinced that the radios were not at fault, and that it was abuse
that caused the problems.  Kept buying them, didn't I?

Watch out for what you buy at pawn shops!  (True of everything and
everyplace, really, used or not.)

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[Jim Cathey]

radios, so they tend to be poor quality designs.  The audio output is
usually insufficient to be heard over road noise without holding the
radio to your ear.


The CB in the Unimog worked, even floored on the highway with me
wearing shooting muffs.  It was mounted over my head, though.


The range is so short that if one person in the
caravan breaks down, they have less than a minute to make themselves
heard before everyone gets out of range.


That's a real problem with CB too unless you're using a real antenna.
Only the rooftop magnetic mount antennae I've tried haven't given me
a noticeable problem with this when caravanning.  (I've never used an
even better hard-mount whip antenna.)


Finally, everyone's started
giving FRS radios to their kids as walkie talkies, so right when you
need to use it there's usually some five-year-old on the channel 
singing

the alphabet song.


Breaker, breaker.  This here's the rubber duck and he's the one!
He makes bathtime oh so fun...

CB is really attractive now because that's pretty much gone from there.
Avoid the few trucker's channels and you're pretty much alone.  Unless
you run afoul of some souped-up bozo with an echo mike that's splattered
across most of the channels.  I started listening at 1, and moved to 2,
etc.  We use 3 on caravan, and almost _never_ have to move off of it.
To 4, of course.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[Lee Levitt]

Philip writes:
> 
> The Uniden Pro510, and it's three-knob brother the Pro520, 
> are probably the best of the small, cheap radios. Even the 
> mics are fair quality.
> 
> Sure, you can spend more money and get more features and more 
> lights - but they sure build those two tough! I know of more 
> than one that survived multiple years in a cab-over with 
> metal springs.

Yep, and power mikes are readily available for them. I've run the 510 and
520 for years, been very happy with them.

Lee

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Oh we got that covered.

TimothyPilgrim wrote:


More sponsorship contenders:

Mobil 1 oil
PIAA lighting
Interstate batteries
The MB dealerships in Canada
Craftsman & Mastercraft tools

We'd need some sort of list-members logo too in decal form for each car.

If Michelin sponsors, do I get a rebate on the X-Ice's I bought last year? ;)

Tim
1982 300TD Moby

On 12/8/05, Bob Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Mike typed:

"Dealerships would LOVE to see thier name on 20 or so classic Benz' making
the trip for a measly few hundred dollars each...Advertising is where
the money is."


Ahh...dealerships.
I'm contacting whomever I can think of.
I'll let everyone know what I hear back from companies.
If anyone has ideas, you can email me off list so we don't clog it up. So
far I've contacted:
Hella
PPG
M1
Bilstien
Bosch
Michelin (snows depend upon when we go)
Heard back from Hella and they are interested.
Going to contact several big dealerships and MBUSA.

Bob Rrentfro
'77 300D 144K
Litchfield Park, AZ




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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[David Brodbeck]

dave walton wrote:

Do they still require you to know Morse Code to get a license?
  


No Morse Code test is required for using amateur bands above 50 MHz -- 
which is all you really need for talking from car to car.  The shortwave 
bands still have a 5 wpm requirement, mostly because it's currently 
required by international treaties.

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[David Brodbeck]

redghost wrote:
Good Lord!  Imagine the onboard genset to power that 1500 watt radio.  
And the ANTENNA would be whipping the tar out of everybody for about 
100 feet around as you drive by
  


Not many people run full legal power from a mobile radio.  VHF radios in 
the 40-60 watt range are quite compact and, with a decent antenna, will 
give you five miles or so of range to another car, or considerably more 
to a well-situated repeater.  At those frequencies increasing the 
transmitter power only helps you so much, because the earth's curvature 
eventually gets in the way.


David Brodbeck (N8SRE)

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[David Brodbeck]

Kevin wrote:

I have a CB, and use it on some four wheeling trips. CBs suck for caravans,
though - they tend to overload each other if you are too close.
  


The easy fix for that is reducing transmit power, if your radio allows 
it.  If not, use a crappier antenna.  Most CB 'rubber duck' antennas put 
out more heat than RF power anyway. ;)


Unfortunately, CBs are marketed to people who don't understand radios at 
all, so most of them are just plain junk.  Receiver overloading in the 
presence of strong signals is one sign of a poor design.  A lot of 
people also have their CBs "peaked and tuned" to (illegally) get more 
output power, with unknown consequences for the quality of the signal.  
There's more to getting a good signal out than tuning for "maximum smoke."

Stick to GMRS or FRS.


I've used FRS in caravans and found it kind of frustrating.  They have 
the same problem CB does -- they're marketed to people who don't know 
radios, so they tend to be poor quality designs.  The audio output is 
usually insufficient to be heard over road noise without holding the 
radio to your ear.  The range is so short that if one person in the 
caravan breaks down, they have less than a minute to make themselves 
heard before everyone gets out of range.  Finally, everyone's started 
giving FRS radios to their kids as walkie talkies, so right when you 
need to use it there's usually some five-year-old on the channel singing 
the alphabet song.

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[Fmiser]

rumor has it that Jim wrote:

> > Still have mine. 24 channels. On a shelve in the garage. When I get
> > frustrated, I pick up the mike and holler "Breaker 1-9"
> 
> That would be 23, or 40.  We use ours every time we caravan.

> These are Uniden 510's, which
> are small, a good brand, and relatively inexpensive (used).

The Uniden Pro510, and it's three-knob brother the Pro520, are probably
the best of the small, cheap radios. Even the mics are fair quality.

Sure, you can spend more money and get more features and more lights -
but they sure build those two tough! I know of more than one that
survived multiple years in a cab-over with metal springs.

   Philip

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[TimothyPilgrim]

More sponsorship contenders:

Mobil 1 oil
PIAA lighting
Interstate batteries
The MB dealerships in Canada
Craftsman & Mastercraft tools

We'd need some sort of list-members logo too in decal form for each car.

If Michelin sponsors, do I get a rebate on the X-Ice's I bought last year? ;)

Tim
1982 300TD Moby

On 12/8/05, Bob Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Mike typed:
>
> "Dealerships would LOVE to see thier name on 20 or so classic Benz' making
> the trip for a measly few hundred dollars each...Advertising is where
> the money is."
>
>
> Ahh...dealerships.
> I'm contacting whomever I can think of.
> I'll let everyone know what I hear back from companies.
> If anyone has ideas, you can email me off list so we don't clog it up. So
> far I've contacted:
> Hella
> PPG
> M1
> Bilstien
> Bosch
> Michelin (snows depend upon when we go)
> Heard back from Hella and they are interested.
> Going to contact several big dealerships and MBUSA.
>
> Bob Rrentfro
> '77 300D 144K
> Litchfield Park, AZ
>
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[Kevin]

On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 11:57:19PM -0600, Fmiser wrote:
> rumor has it that Kevin wrote:
> 
> > I have a CB, and use it on some four wheeling trips. CBs suck for caravans,
> > though - they tend to overload each other if you are too close.
> 
> Only if you are using a cheap radio - or trying to listen to a
> transmitter with hyper-legal power.

Neither was the case on the trip I just came back from. We are not going to
even mention one station being in a bowl and another station on a ridge, or 
whatnot. 11 meter isn't ideal for situations like that, and part 27 regulates
out all the cool things you'd be able to do with 11 meter to make it useful.

> > Stick to GMRS or FRS. They're as cheap as CB, maybe cheaper since you don't
> > have to also buy an antenna (and deal with a monster antenna and installing 
> > a
> > radio in the car).
> 
> FRS audio output is too low, they don't have a mic "button" on the back
> to set it in a mic clip, line-of-sight RF, short car-to-car range
> (partly because of the inability to put an antenna outside the car),
> can't see the display in the dark without triggering the backlight, and
> they have to be fed batteries rather than being wired into the car's
> power.

All true, but it's a tradeoff.

> GMRS requires a license.

Which is just a file and receive (though there is a filing fee). No test to
pass.

> I'll keep my CB. *smile*

Well, I still have one in the truck, and it does have its uses, just beware
of its limitations.

>  Philip, wondering if it's possible to drive 
>without a transceiver

I don't think I've made a drive since before y2k where I didn't have some
type of transceiver in the car.

K

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[Hans Neureiter]

The Dalton Hwy is littered with abandoned cars which either slid off the
road or broke down. It's a semi frozen gravel road, really messy when
partially thawed. No wrecker service. David Barr rode it on an old Harley
Sportster. Prosthesis on both his legs. He made it and back.

--
Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX
'82 300SD, '95 E300D
On 12/6/05, Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> oh yes. I think the Arctic Circle is mile 115 on  the Dalton Hwy...it
> starts in Fairbanks and goes about 440 miles to  Deadhorse...

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[Bob Rentfro]

Sounds like something on "Fear Factor".

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 144K
Litchfield Park, AZ


- Original Message - 
From: "TimothyPilgrim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?



Gotta go through Dawson City, of the old gold rush fame. They've got a
local specialty cocktail that involves the immersion of an old severed
finger into the drink.

Tim
1982 300TD Moby

On 12/7/05, John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Yeah, the Disneyland kinda stuff we can get locally...  no need to drive
10,000 miles for that ;)  History stuff works for me.  I really like the
history of how places/things developed and how they were (mines,
railroads, towns, etc)

I imagine they have some really cool railroad stuff all along the trip.
  Any other railroad buffs out there?

John


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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[Bob Rentfro]

Mike typed:

"Dealerships would LOVE to see thier name on 20 or so classic Benz' making
the trip for a measly few hundred dollars each...Advertising is where
the money is."


Ahh...dealerships.
I'm contacting whomever I can think of.
I'll let everyone know what I hear back from companies.
If anyone has ideas, you can email me off list so we don't clog it up. So 
far I've contacted:

Hella
PPG
M1
Bilstien
Bosch
Michelin (snows depend upon when we go)
Heard back from Hella and they are interested.
Going to contact several big dealerships and MBUSA.

Bob Rrentfro
'77 300D 144K
Litchfield Park, AZ

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[Bob Rentfro]

Mike wondered:

"Nor the Land Cruiser...Will this be MBZ specific?  What about Benz
powered?  Like my dream of an old Willy's Wagoneer with a 300D engine
runnning WVO for example?  That may be a possibilty by then."

I'm sure a spattering of non-MBs in the procession will be 
acceptable...since I'm pretty sure we'll have nothing to do with MBCA on our 
escapade. We have a long time do hammer these things out...and a long time 
for some of us to add a MB to our fleet. For example: 
http://makeashorterlink.com/?J5CE5474C


I think the MB gods are telling m something.

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 144K
Litchfield Park, AZ

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[Jim Cathey]

Still have mine. 24 channels. On a shelve in the garage. When I get
frustrated, I pick up the mike and holler "Breaker 1-9"


That would be 23, or 40.  We use ours every time we caravan.
No problem whatsoever except when we try to get by with the
rubber duckie antennae inside the cars.  A magnetic-mount
external antenna has cured the problems every time, even if
it's inside on the back seat.  These are Uniden 510's, which
are small, a good brand, and relatively inexpensive (used).

C'mon fellas, _good_ used CB's are TOTALLY in keeping with the
cars you are using!  Leave the FRS for the Toyondexuses.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[Bob Rentfro]

Will do

BR

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From: "Mike Canfield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 7:24 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?



Bet there's not but just maybe if all the cars were running it Ole Willy
might just be crazy enough to send a tanker or two along and donate the
fuel..Now how to go about at least getting a chance to pass it by him.
Sounds right up his alley to me.

Mike
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From: "Bob Rentfro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?



I bet there's not much bio on the way...but I could be wrong.
Time to do a search.

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 144K
Litchfield Park, AZ

- Original Message - 
From: "TimothyPilgrim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?



How about Willy Nelson's biodiesel company? There's somebody with
money and an actual link to the cause!

Tim
1982 300TD Moby

On 12/7/05, Bob Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Chris mentioned:

"but we could still advertise the list with magnets on our
cars...without
the list we'd all be on our own."


They do a thing out here each year, the Copperstate 1000 (or something
like
that), which is not a rally...it's just vintage cars going roundy 
roundy

in
Arizona. They have sponsors galore. I'd bet we'd be surprised at the
sponsors we could get. We'd have to think "outside the box". I will get
in
touch with those Copperstate dudes and ask them how they go about
getting
sponsors for something that isn't a race or a rally. I'm sure they have
good
ideas and methods. Our possibilities could be Mobil 1, Hengst/Mann
Filters,
Bosch, Michelin, etc. Could go into REI (camping gear) and stuff like
that.
I'm sure, once we get something tenativly hammered out, Chuck would be
happy
to speak to Mr. Frank Barrett. Chuck is a very benevolent, diplomatic
human.

Bob Rentfro (studying route to Deadhorse)
'77 300D 144K
Litchfield Park, AZ


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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[Hans Neureiter]

Still have mine. 24 channels. On a shelve in the garage. When I get
frustrated, I pick up the mike and holler "Breaker 1-9"

--
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 > On 12/7/05, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Everyone should get CB's.  I used to have a CB in my 240D when I was
> >> 16.
>

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[dave walton]

Do they still require you to know Morse Code to get a license?

Thanks

-Dave Walton
94 S350, 99 E300

On 12/7/05, Kevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 09:14:39PM -0600, OK Don wrote:
> > You can all get ham licenses - the basic license test is easy, ALL the
> > questions and answers are on the web, you get to use real radios, and
> > can use from a milliwatt to 1500 watts.
>
> Sort of. Ham radios are far more expensive than FRS, and assuming you don't
> install a mobile and use a handheld, the handhelds get extremely hot in your
> hand if you have an extended conversation or have it plugged into vehicle
> power. Yes, the ham mobiles (and handhelds for that matter) will have longer
> range for communications, but that really doesn't come into play for a
> caravan of vehicles. And if one car doesn't have a ham licensee in the car,
> they're essentially locked out of communications. Easy as the test is, not
> all have the time to study then show up for the test.
>
> K
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[MBZ] Arctic Q

[wilton strickland]

'FI were physically able, I'd be in.

Wilton

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[Mike Canfield]

Bet there's not but just maybe if all the cars were running it Ole Willy 
might just be crazy enough to send a tanker or two along and donate the 
fuel..Now how to go about at least getting a chance to pass it by him. 
Sounds right up his alley to me.


Mike
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I bet there's not much bio on the way...but I could be wrong.
Time to do a search.

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 144K
Litchfield Park, AZ

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From: "TimothyPilgrim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 9:17 AM
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How about Willy Nelson's biodiesel company? There's somebody with
money and an actual link to the cause!

Tim
1982 300TD Moby

On 12/7/05, Bob Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Chris mentioned:

"but we could still advertise the list with magnets on our 
cars...without

the list we'd all be on our own."


They do a thing out here each year, the Copperstate 1000 (or something
like
that), which is not a rally...it's just vintage cars going roundy roundy
in
Arizona. They have sponsors galore. I'd bet we'd be surprised at the
sponsors we could get. We'd have to think "outside the box". I will get
in
touch with those Copperstate dudes and ask them how they go about 
getting

sponsors for something that isn't a race or a rally. I'm sure they have
good
ideas and methods. Our possibilities could be Mobil 1, Hengst/Mann
Filters,
Bosch, Michelin, etc. Could go into REI (camping gear) and stuff like
that.
I'm sure, once we get something tenativly hammered out, Chuck would be
happy
to speak to Mr. Frank Barrett. Chuck is a very benevolent, diplomatic
human.

Bob Rentfro (studying route to Deadhorse)
'77 300D 144K
Litchfield Park, AZ


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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[TimothyPilgrim]

After the latest news, we're ALL going to need passports:

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1133995815625&call_pageid=968332188492&col=968793972154

Oopsie. I swear, although I work for this government, I had nothing to
do with it.

Tim
1982 300TD Moby

On 12/7/05, Dan Weeks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yeah, I was very nearly turned away at my own border last year. Said
> I needed a passport to get back in. I didn't have mine. I said, OK,
> what do I do now? The border guard just looked at me and my
> westfalia, rolled her eyes, and waved me through. Now I carry a
> passport.
>
> Dan

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[Mike Canfield]

Very trueAsk Mac..Mike
- Original Message - 
From: "Bob Rentfro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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KALEB'S CREEDO: 


"cheap does not equal junk or bad."


Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 144K
Litchfield Park, AZ


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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[Mike Canfield]

Maybe someone could convince Nokian or Bridgestone to give everyone involved 
a deal on a new set of snows for the trip.  The advertising potential for a 
trip like this could be astronomical!  Chris, you may actually be able to 
sell advertising to MANY different companies.If they are willing to give 
people cars and such for having a banner on them then I am sure some MBZ 
Dealerships would LOVE to see thier name on 20 or so classic Benz' making 
the trip for a measly few hundred dollars each...Advertising is where 
the money is.



Mike
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Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 9:55 AM
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good to know becuase everything I read and the  reports of Aunt Lois were of 
the swarms of mosquitos. Camped for a week  in the Algonquin Provincial 
Park - NEVER saw mosquitos like that  before!.


 Litttle Colder in September...but even today, the temp in Deadhorse 
s  -10F...I talked to my father in law who farms outside Madison, WI and  it 
was 0 there on MOnday - not the end of the world - snow  drifts...that's a 
problem.


 Chris

Bob Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Chris speculated:

"THis wouldn't be a winter trip...the biggest annoyance will be
MOSQUITOS...,of course I'll be reminded of that when we get snowbound  in
one of those rare summer snow storms and are freezing in a snow  drift."

They say the beginning of September is nice...most of the mosquitos are
gone, leaves have turned, etc.

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 144K
Litchfield Park, AZ


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-1985 300SD, 210K, "Wulf"
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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[Mike Canfield]

Nor the Land Cruiser...Will this be MBZ specific?  What about Benz 
powered?  Like my dream of an old Willy's Wagoneer with a 300D engine 
runnning WVO for example?  That may be a possibilty by then.


Mike
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From: "Christopher McCann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?


well, if we want to shoot for STAR mag and  MBUSA/MBCA attention, I don't 
know the motorcycle would fit in, but I  would leave it open to discussion. 
Of course, there will be room in the  cars of others...and plenty of driving 
opportunity.  I'm guessing  2 people per car average.


 Chris

Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Chris,
 Sounds like my kind of adventureToo bad I sold my Benz..Are
motorcycles welcome?

Mike
- Original Message - 
From: "Christopher McCann"

To:
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 3:37 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?


A few years ago, my dad's cousin and her husband  drove the Dalton Highway
to Deadhorse, Alaska...some 4,000+ miles from  Kansas City in a camper. You
can drive within 3 miles of the Arctic  Ocean and from there a bus takes you
to the Ocean...Prudhoe Bay to be  exact. Usually about freezing even in the
summer. The Dalton Highway is  mostly gravel, hard on cars (particularly
windshields and headlights),  etc. Tons of articles on line and picture
galleries.

 A sample: http://gorp.away.com/gorp/activity/byway/ak_dalton.htm

 Anyone interested in an "Arctic-Q"? Not really able to do this any time
soon - maybe this coming summer...or the following summer...but I have  been
thinking about it and thought I would throw it out for thoughts,  reactions,
ideas, etc. Could be very interesting as a multi-car  caravan...we could
carry lots of tools and spare parts between several  vehicles in addition to
all the other stuff - spare tires, food, water,  clothes for the arctic
blasts that can come at any time, etc.

 Chris






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-2005 Blue Point Siamese, "Rose"
-1987 300TD, 150K, "Rotkäppchen"
-1985 300SD, 210K, "Wulf"
-1976 240D, ?K, "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen)
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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[Fmiser]

rumor has it that Kevin wrote:

> I have a CB, and use it on some four wheeling trips. CBs suck for caravans,
> though - they tend to overload each other if you are too close.

Only if you are using a cheap radio - or trying to listen to a
transmitter with hyper-legal power.

> Stick to GMRS or FRS. They're as cheap as CB, maybe cheaper since you don't
> have to also buy an antenna (and deal with a monster antenna and installing a
> radio in the car).

FRS audio output is too low, they don't have a mic "button" on the back
to set it in a mic clip, line-of-sight RF, short car-to-car range
(partly because of the inability to put an antenna outside the car),
can't see the display in the dark without triggering the backlight, and
they have to be fed batteries rather than being wired into the car's
power.

GMRS requires a license.

I'll keep my CB. *smile*

 Philip, wondering if it's possible to drive 
 without a transceiver

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[Jim Cathey]

well, you have a point there.  How much snow did you all get.  We got
maybe 1/2 inch so far but its slick as heck in some spots.


I think we got about a foot, and temps haven't been above freezing yet.
The main roads are all dry, but not so the hill up to our house or our
own driveway!

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q

[TimothyPilgrim]

Easy.

My parents have a 120V electric blower fireplace insert for their wood
fireplace. When the ice storm hit and they were without power for 3
days in the dead of winter, so my dad plugged the Radio Shack power
invertor into the 12V lighter in his Cadillac (with a 350 V8 of
course) and ran an extension cord into the house. Then he plugged the
fireplace insert into the cord. It didn't heat the -entire- 3500 sqft
house, but enough rooms that they could get by.

In Montreal, where power was out for weeks, they parked diesel
locomotives in the downtown streets to serve as generators for the
core buildings.

Tim
1982 300TD Moby

On 12/7/05, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> do tell more about this!!
>
> TimothyPilgrim wrote:
>
> > Won't we all be bringing a diesel generator? I mean, why not just
> > bring inverters and use the car engines? It was good enough for my
> > parents to keep the house warm during the big Ice Storm of 1998.
> >
> > Tim
> > 1982 300TD Moby
>
> --
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>   84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
>   76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[TimothyPilgrim]

Gotta go through Dawson City, of the old gold rush fame. They've got a
local specialty cocktail that involves the immersion of an old severed
finger into the drink.

Tim
1982 300TD Moby

On 12/7/05, John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Yeah, the Disneyland kinda stuff we can get locally...  no need to drive
> 10,000 miles for that ;)  History stuff works for me.  I really like the
> history of how places/things developed and how they were (mines,
> railroads, towns, etc)
>
> I imagine they have some really cool railroad stuff all along the trip.
>   Any other railroad buffs out there?
>
> John

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[redghost]

Good Lord!  Imagine the onboard genset to power that 1500 watt radio.  
And the ANTENNA would be whipping the tar out of everybody for about 
100 feet around as you drive by


On Wednesday, December 7, 2005, at 07:14 PM, OK Don wrote:


You can all get ham licenses - the basic license test is easy, ALL the
questions and answers are on the web, you get to use real radios, and
can use from a milliwatt to 1500 watts.

On 12/7/05, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Everyone should get CB's.  I used to have a CB in my 240D when I was 
16.
  Geez, that seems like yesterday on one had but so long ago on the 
other.



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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[Kevin]

On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 09:14:39PM -0600, OK Don wrote:
> You can all get ham licenses - the basic license test is easy, ALL the
> questions and answers are on the web, you get to use real radios, and
> can use from a milliwatt to 1500 watts.

Sort of. Ham radios are far more expensive than FRS, and assuming you don't
install a mobile and use a handheld, the handhelds get extremely hot in your
hand if you have an extended conversation or have it plugged into vehicle
power. Yes, the ham mobiles (and handhelds for that matter) will have longer
range for communications, but that really doesn't come into play for a
caravan of vehicles. And if one car doesn't have a ham licensee in the car,
they're essentially locked out of communications. Easy as the test is, not
all have the time to study then show up for the test.

K

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[OK Don]

Oh YES !

I'll get a list of the interesting places from my freind  who made the
trip this spring. Of course, he took 6 weeks to make it -- sounds like
the right pace to me (wishful thinking).

It will have to be 2007 for us, this summer is already booked.

On 12/7/05, Bob Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We would, of course, fish for, catch and then eat salmon. Often.
>
> Bob Rentfro
> '77 300D 144K
> Litchfield Park, AZ

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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[OK Don]

You can all get ham licenses - the basic license test is easy, ALL the
questions and answers are on the web, you get to use real radios, and
can use from a milliwatt to 1500 watts.

On 12/7/05, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Everyone should get CB's.  I used to have a CB in my 240D when I was 16.
>   Geez, that seems like yesterday on one had but so long ago on the other.


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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[OK Don]

About the same, maybe closer to 1 inch, but it's dry and blowing away
--- It was slippery enough for me to verify that the anti-lock brakes
do work just fine!

On 12/7/05, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> well, you have a point there.  How much snow did you all get.  We got
> maybe 1/2 inch so far but its slick as heck in some spots.
>


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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

hahahahaha, well if the M123 ever blows up I will be dropping a turbo 
down in there.


Mitch Haley wrote:


"Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote:


Maybe I could bring the limo, could get plenty of people in there.
Although diesel would be my choice.



Got a spare 617? Put it in the LWB and you'll have both the roominess and
the diesel.

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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[Mitch Haley]

Kevin wrote:
> 
> I have a CB, and use it on some four wheeling trips. CBs suck for caravans,
> though - they tend to overload each other if you are too close.

I've got a 1w/5w 40ch walkie-talkie with rubber antenna and car cord.
Works great for my limited purposes. Probably won't overload on 1w.

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[John Robbins]

Christopher McCann wrote:

I'm confused...is it summer 2006 or 2007 that you would be free?


Can't tell for sure was what I was trying to get at, but, if this 
becomes a reality, I will *make* myself available!




Things to do along the way: There would be no shortage of those, the
problem would be time. For me, I want to have driven to the Arctic
Ocean (ok, within 3 miles of it and taken a tour bus the rest of the
way). I would want to subordinate everything to reaching the
goal...and  since there will inevtably be problems along the way, it
might be best  to plan the vast majority of the extra stuff for the
way back, so as  not to endanger the goal of reaching the Arctic
Ocean.


I like the plan for the way back... also lets us gather a list of things 
we want to do.  I imagine we will all find some neat little random thing 
not mentioned anywhere but on a sign on the side of the road.



Personally, I like historical things...hiking would be neat...taking
in  local scenery, etc. I really don't care...I'll pass on Worlds of
Fun/Disneylandish stuff. But I think we should be sure that the side
attractions add to the enjoyment of the experience of the ultimate
goal: Arctic Ocean and back. If we climb rocks, I'll watch...although
sitting atop a tor sounds like fun.


Yeah, the Disneyland kinda stuff we can get locally...  no need to drive 
10,000 miles for that ;)  History stuff works for me.  I really like the 
history of how places/things developed and how they were (mines, 
railroads, towns, etc)


I imagine they have some really cool railroad stuff all along the trip. 
 Any other railroad buffs out there?


John

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

well, you have a point there.  How much snow did you all get.  We got 
maybe 1/2 inch so far but its slick as heck in some spots.


OK Don wrote:


But when they come with the car, already mounted on nice rims -- -- --
-- got to use them on the drive home tonight - they worked just fine.

On 12/7/05, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Snow tires around here are really a waste of money for the 2 or 3 days
of the year that you might actually need them.




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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[Kevin]

On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 07:22:14PM -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> Everyone should get CB's.  I used to have a CB in my 240D when I was 16. 
> Geez, that seems like yesterday on one had but so long ago on the other.

I have a CB, and use it on some four wheeling trips. CBs suck for caravans,
though - they tend to overload each other if you are too close.

Stick to GMRS or FRS. They're as cheap as CB, maybe cheaper since you don't
have to also buy an antenna (and deal with a monster antenna and installing a
radio in the car).

K

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[John Robbins]

LT Don wrote:

For what it is worth (which probably isn't much), I think this thread has
generated more total responses (this is #90 -- one of the good things about
gmail is that it counts that up for you) than any other one, including Mobil
1 threads.


That whole GM bashing thing didn't make it that high?

So what about the thread count from some of your threads on the mbz.org 
list ;)


John

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Everyone should get CB's.  I used to have a CB in my 240D when I was 16. 
 Geez, that seems like yesterday on one had but so long ago on the other.


Tom Reynolds wrote:


How about Valentine?  Have them equip the vehicles going up there for
"safety's" sake.  Might not be a bad idea to check with some cell phone
companies to see if they cover the areas to be driven, maybe they can
supply phones/intercoms for the event.  Car to car communications as well
as possible emergency situations.
Tom Reynolds
Sand Springs, OK

At 11:17 AM 12/07/2005 -0500, you wrote:


Content-Disposition: inline

How about Willy Nelson's biodiesel company? There's somebody with
money and an actual link to the cause!

Tim
1982 300TD Moby

On 12/7/05, Bob Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Chris mentioned:

"but we could still advertise the list with magnets on our cars...without
the list we'd all be on our own."


They do a thing out here each year, the Copperstate 1000 (or something like
that), which is not a rally...it's just vintage cars going roundy roundy in
Arizona. They have sponsors galore. I'd bet we'd be surprised at the
sponsors we could get. We'd have to think "outside the box". I will get in
touch with those Copperstate dudes and ask them how they go about getting
sponsors for something that isn't a race or a rally. I'm sure they have


good


ideas and methods. Our possibilities could be Mobil 1, Hengst/Mann Filters,
Bosch, Michelin, etc. Could go into REI (camping gear) and stuff like that.
I'm sure, once we get something tenativly hammered out, Chuck would be


happy


to speak to Mr. Frank Barrett. Chuck is a very benevolent, diplomatic


human.


Bob Rentfro (studying route to Deadhorse)
'77 300D 144K
Litchfield Park, AZ


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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

do tell more about this!!

TimothyPilgrim wrote:


Won't we all be bringing a diesel generator? I mean, why not just
bring inverters and use the car engines? It was good enough for my
parents to keep the house warm during the big Ice Storm of 1998.

Tim
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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[OK Don]

But when they come with the car, already mounted on nice rims -- -- --
-- got to use them on the drive home tonight - they worked just fine.

On 12/7/05, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Snow tires around here are really a waste of money for the 2 or 3 days
> of the year that you might actually need them.
>

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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[LT Don]

For what it is worth (which probably isn't much), I think this thread has
generated more total responses (this is #90 -- one of the good things about
gmail is that it counts that up for you) than any other one, including Mobil
1 threads.

That isn't a criticism in any way ... just a statement.

Don


On 12/8/05, TimothyPilgrim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Mailboxes Etc. is now owned by UPS. They've changed over the store
> signage that I've seen 'round here.
>
> Tim
> 1982 300TD Moby
>
> On 12/7/05, Tom Reynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Never having done this, but just "thinking out loud" would it be
> possible
> > to rent a mailbox at one of those Mailboxes, Etc. or such and then ship
> it
> > to that address?  But, then you face the possibility of having one of
> the
> > staff at the place reroute it.  Of course, that could happen at any
> time,
> > anywhere.
> > Just wonderin'
> > Tom Reynolds
> > Sand Springs, OK
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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[TimothyPilgrim]

Mailboxes Etc. is now owned by UPS. They've changed over the store
signage that I've seen 'round here.

Tim
1982 300TD Moby

On 12/7/05, Tom Reynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Never having done this, but just "thinking out loud" would it be possible
> to rent a mailbox at one of those Mailboxes, Etc. or such and then ship it
> to that address?  But, then you face the possibility of having one of the
> staff at the place reroute it.  Of course, that could happen at any time,
> anywhere.
> Just wonderin'
> Tom Reynolds
> Sand Springs, OK

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[Christopher McCann]

Not sure. Alot surer to "FFL to FFL" it. That costs...but would rather not lose 
my guns in the mail.
  
  Chris

Tom Reynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Never having done this, but just 
"thinking out loud" would it be possible
to rent a mailbox at one of those Mailboxes, Etc. or such and then ship it
to that address?  But, then you face the possibility of having one of the
staff at the place reroute it.  Of course, that could happen at any time,
anywhere.
Just wonderin'
Tom Reynolds
Sand Springs, OK

At 12:07 PM 12/07/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Christopher McCann wrote:
>> 
>> been thinking of that. No permit is needed in  Alaska AT ALL to carrry a
concealed weapon.
>> I think I would have my  PPK/S and AR-15 carbine transferred to an FFL
in some AK gun
>> shop along  the route and pick them up there and ship back the same way.
>> 
>>   Annoying but simple solution.
>
>You could mail the AR to yourself general delivery at an AK post office. 
>USPS won't allow handguns unfortunately. I don't know if you could UPS it
>to yourself for counter pickup. The problem is that UPS only takes handguns
>by overnight air, which is expensive to AK and I bet they don't want it
>sitting there for a couple weeks while you're enroute. They might also
>refuse to give it to a private person, even if it's the same guy who
shipped it.
>
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it is 42 driving hours to get to Fairbanks from Seattle.  Looks like 
the main road is going to be Trans Canada Hwy which becomes PROVINCIAL 
ROUTE 97 and some 1800 miles later turns into AK 2 or Richardson HWY.  
Best rendezvous looks like CACHE CREEK / KAMLOOPS.

On Wednesday, December 7, 2005, at 01:00 PM, Tom Reynolds wrote:

> How about Valentine?  Have them equip the vehicles going up there for
> "safety's" sake.  Might not be a bad idea to check with some cell phone
> companies to see if they cover the areas to be driven

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[Tom Reynolds]

Never having done this, but just "thinking out loud" would it be possible
to rent a mailbox at one of those Mailboxes, Etc. or such and then ship it
to that address?  But, then you face the possibility of having one of the
staff at the place reroute it.  Of course, that could happen at any time,
anywhere.
Just wonderin'
Tom Reynolds
Sand Springs, OK

At 12:07 PM 12/07/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Christopher McCann wrote:
>> 
>> been thinking of that. No permit is needed in  Alaska AT ALL to carrry a
concealed weapon.
>> I think I would have my  PPK/S and AR-15 carbine transferred to an FFL
in some AK gun
>> shop along  the route and pick them up there and ship back the same way.
>> 
>>   Annoying but simple solution.
>
>You could mail the AR to yourself general delivery at an AK post office. 
>USPS won't allow handguns unfortunately. I don't know if you could UPS it
>to yourself for counter pickup. The problem is that UPS only takes handguns
>by overnight air, which is expensive to AK and I bet they don't want it
>sitting there for a couple weeks while you're enroute. They might also
>refuse to give it to a private person, even if it's the same guy who
shipped it.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[Mitch Haley]

If you're looking for equipment sponsors, I vote for PPG, Hella and Bilstein.
Their products will be the most needed on a rocky road.

Re: [MBZ] Arctic-Q...?

[Mitch Haley]

"Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote:
> 
> Maybe I could bring the limo, could get plenty of people in there.
> Although diesel would be my choice.

Got a spare 617? Put it in the LWB and you'll have both the roominess and
the diesel.