Re: [MBZ] Block heaters

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> tyee165 wrote:

> Is that the block drain in the lower right of the photo?

Referring to Craig's email set Sat, 6 Jan 2018 11:48:50 -0700
filename  om617.block.heater.jpg

Yes. That is the block drain.

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Re: [MBZ] Block heaters

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Oh, yes, his old one is a heater and bushing.


tyee165 via Mercedes 
January 6, 2018 at 2:48 PM
I was looking at the photo posted by Andrew



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Re: [MBZ] Block heaters

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 06 Jan 2018 14:36:40 -0600 tyee165 via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Is that the block drain in the lower right of the photo?

Yes, I think it is.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Block heaters

[tyee165 via Mercedes]

I was looking at the photo posted by Andrew


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 Original message From: Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 Date: 2018-01-06  1:40 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: Mercedes 
Discussion List  Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com> 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Block heaters 
If my description sounds like what you are looking at, then yes.  If the 
description does not fit what you are looking at, send pictures

> tyee165 via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> January 6, 2018 at 12:41 PM
> So, there are 2 parts and the bigger one is a bushing?
>
>
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>  Original message From: Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  Date: 2018-01-06 10:57 AM (GMT-06:00) To: 
> Mercedes Discussion List  Cc: Curley McLain 
> <126die...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Block heaters
> Depends on the thread size of the replacement, IF you are replacing it.
>
> If my memory is correct, some of the older heaters were about 1" pipe
> thread and had a bushing to fit the block plug thread size.  The ones
> available from MB for the past ~30 years screw directly into the plug
> hole without a bushing.
>
> So, if your intent is to replace the heater, then take out the larger
> bushing with the heater, or you can remoce the heater, and then the
> bushing.  Then you could save the bushing or take it to flaps to find a
> 400 to 750 watt heater that would fit it.
>
> I generally use the large (18"?)( 450mm?) channellocks for the big nut.

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Re: [MBZ] Block heaters

[tyee165 via Mercedes]

Is that the block drain in the lower right of the photo?


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 Date: 2018-01-06  12:48 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: Mercedes 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Block heaters 
On Sat, 06 Jan 2018 12:41:47 -0600 tyee165 via Mercedes
 wrote:

> So, there are 2 parts and the bigger one is a bushing?

That's how it was on our '72 220D/8, with a bushing sized to fit the large
hole that used to hold the block plug, and allow the block heater to
thread into the inside of the bushing. Our '82 240D/3.0, was the same way
as shown in the picture attached.

Apparently newer cars might use something different.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Block heaters

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Thanks Craig.  Yes, the newer heaters, since about 1980-simething are 
one piece.



My 200D has the two piece and the 200D 2.4 has the one piece, as it was 
in stalled in 1998, I think.  I had the OM616 on the floor, and there 
was no way to hang on to it while the 6' cheater was used, so the flame 
wrench and hammer and chisel were applied.  It was the worst stuck one 
ever.  I pretty much cut it to pieces with the chisel.  I think I spent 
6-8 hours on that one.  Engine in car, car on hoist is a better way to 
remove a freeze plug.



Craig via Mercedes 
January 6, 2018 at 12:48 PM
On Sat, 06 Jan 2018 12:41:47 -0600 tyee165 via Mercedes

That's how it was on our '72 220D/8, with a bushing sized to fit the large
hole that used to hold the block plug, and allow the block heater to
thread into the inside of the bushing. Our '82 240D/3.0, was the same way
as shown in the picture attached.

Apparently newer cars might use something different.


Craig


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Re: [MBZ] Block heaters

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

If my description sounds like what you are looking at, then yes.  If the 
description does not fit what you are looking at, send pictures



tyee165 via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
January 6, 2018 at 12:41 PM
So, there are 2 parts and the bigger one is a bushing?


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 Date: 2018-01-06 10:57 AM (GMT-06:00) To: 
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<126die...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Block heaters

Depends on the thread size of the replacement, IF you are replacing it.

If my memory is correct, some of the older heaters were about 1" pipe
thread and had a bushing to fit the block plug thread size.  The ones
available from MB for the past ~30 years screw directly into the plug
hole without a bushing.

So, if your intent is to replace the heater, then take out the larger
bushing with the heater, or you can remoce the heater, and then the
bushing.  Then you could save the bushing or take it to flaps to find a
400 to 750 watt heater that would fit it.

I generally use the large (18"?)( 450mm?) channellocks for the big nut.


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Re: [MBZ] Block heaters

[tyee165 via Mercedes]

So, there are 2 parts and the bigger one is a bushing?


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 Original message From: Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 Date: 2018-01-06  10:57 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: Mercedes 
Discussion List  Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com> 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Block heaters 
Depends on the thread size of the replacement, IF you are replacing it.

If my memory is correct, some of the older heaters were about 1" pipe 
thread and had a bushing to fit the block plug thread size.  The ones 
available from MB for the past ~30 years screw directly into the plug 
hole without a bushing.

So, if your intent is to replace the heater, then take out the larger 
bushing with the heater, or you can remoce the heater, and then the 
bushing.  Then you could save the bushing or take it to flaps to find a 
400 to 750 watt heater that would fit it.

I generally use the large (18"?)( 450mm?) channellocks for the big nut.

> tyee165 via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> January 6, 2018 at 10:47 AM
>
> I note there appear to be 2 choices for a wrench size on the threaded 
> block heaters. Is it acceptable to use the smaller one or shou.d it 
> really be the  larger one closer to the  block?

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Re: [MBZ] Block heaters

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Depends on the thread size of the replacement, IF you are replacing it.

If my memory is correct, some of the older heaters were about 1" pipe 
thread and had a bushing to fit the block plug thread size.  The ones 
available from MB for the past ~30 years screw directly into the plug 
hole without a bushing.


So, if your intent is to replace the heater, then take out the larger 
bushing with the heater, or you can remoce the heater, and then the 
bushing.  Then you could save the bushing or take it to flaps to find a 
400 to 750 watt heater that would fit it.


I generally use the large (18"?)( 450mm?) channellocks for the big nut.


tyee165 via Mercedes 
January 6, 2018 at 10:47 AM

I note there appear to be 2 choices for a wrench size on the threaded 
block heaters. Is it acceptable to use the smaller one or shou.d it 
really be the  larger one closer to the  block?


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[MBZ] Block heaters

[tyee165 via Mercedes]

I note there appear to be 2 choices for a wrench size on the threaded block 
heaters. Is it acceptable to use the smaller one or shou.d it really be the  
larger one closer to the  block?
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Re: [MBZ] block heaters

[RELNGSON]

> ...Does it hurt to keep the block heater plugged in for a week while not
> running the car? ..
> 
You can leave it plugged in as long as you can keep paying the electric 
bill. Think Yukon Territory.

RLE

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Re: [MBZ] block heaters, well, mine at least

[Rhonald Angelo]

Mike I am looking around online...anyone else want to chime in. This one looks 
good, but there might be on better?  I don't know if it is compatible...someone 
else can take that on...?


Automate Exterior Lighting or Other Electronics to your Desired Schedule






Overview








Heavy duty on/off timer switch for loads up to 15 Amps, 1800W 
resistive or 600W tungstenWeather resistant design for outdoor useSimple 
programming instructions and large buttons with easy to read LCD screen20 
programmable timed events from 1 to 7 days a weekBuilt in photocell with 5 
light recognition optionsClock, manual on/off, daylight savings function, 
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exterior lights, holiday lights, fountain pumps and other electronics
into an automated on/off cycle. You have the option to set up to 20
programs from 1 to 7 days a week. Programs can be set as an on/off
timed function, countdown function, and 3 modes of random functions to
give your home that lived in appearance. What sets this apart from
similar products is the built in photocell, which allows for the timer
to turn on or off depending on the light recognition option you select.
A manual on/off button is a convenient option if you wish to override
your current timer status. The product was developed with outdoor
applications in mind and built with a weather resistant casing and a
slot on the back for mounting. The timer is ideal for heavy duty use
with 120V loads using up to 15Amps, 1800W resistive, 600W tungsten, and
motors up to 1.0 HP.

Rhonald
1985 300D  311,000 miles


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> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 11:42:30 -0800
> From: curtlud...@yahoo.com
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] block heaters, well, mine at least
> 
> Last year I used a flimsy one... This year we just plug the car in when we go 
> out to walk the dog, by the time I've showered and eaten breakfast everything 
> is warmed up nice.
> 
> I saw no problems with the flimsy one other than it only having a 2 prong 
> outlet.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 10:54:03 -0500
> From: "Michael E. Esh" 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] block heaters, well, mine at least
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Can anyone recommend a timer that would work well with a block heater.  All
> I find at the hardware store are the flimsy ones.
> 
> Thanks,
> Mike
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
> [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Allan Streib
> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 9:18 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] block heaters, well, mine at least
> 
> 
> You can put the block heater on a timer, just get a heavy duty one,
> that's what I do.
> 
> But I agree that other than wasting electricity, there's no real harm
> done having it plugged in all night.
> 
> Allan
> 
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Re: [MBZ] block heaters, well, mine at least

[Craig McCluskey]

On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 19:00:18 -0600 Fmiser  wrote:

> > > Allan Streib wrote:
> > > You can put the block heater on a timer, just get a heavy
> > > duty one, that's what I do.
> 
> > Mitch wrote:
> >
> > Why heavy duty? Doesn't the factory heater draw about 6 amps?
> > (with AC, watts do not equal volt-amps)
> > Mitch.
> 
> Help me out here.
> 
> I know that volt-amps and watts don't match for capacitive or
> inductive loads - but with a resistive load, aren't they
> practically the same thing?

With a resistive load, they ARE the same thing.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] block heaters, well, mine at least

[Wilton Strickland]

Ground fault interrupter (GFI) is better for protecting against
electrocution and can provide over-current protection, too.   A GFI monitors
the current on both sides of the circuit; if there's an imbalance of 5
milliamps or more, it assumes that the "missing" current is going off to the
side through SOMEBODY and trips the circuit - doesn't need the third,
grounding conductor to do its job.

Wilton

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] block heaters, well, mine at least


> > Curt wrote:
> >
> > I saw no problems with the flimsy one other than it only
> > having a 2 prong outlet.
>
> That, for me, big deal.
>
> I'm attached to my life.
>
> So I want a reliable, low-resistance path to trip the breaker if
> the heater somehow fails. That's what the ground prong is for!!
>
> I just went out and tested the cars I have here.
>
> A couple of them _don't_ have a low-resistance connection
> between engine ground and the ground lead!!
>
> One of them I installed factory block heater, so it's not as old
> as the car. It is one that passed the test and does have a
> ground path.
>
> --  Philip
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Re: [MBZ] block heaters, well, mine at least

[Fmiser]

> Curt wrote:
>
> I saw no problems with the flimsy one other than it only
> having a 2 prong outlet.

That, for me, big deal.

I'm attached to my life.

So I want a reliable, low-resistance path to trip the breaker if
the heater somehow fails. That's what the ground prong is for!!

I just went out and tested the cars I have here.

A couple of them _don't_ have a low-resistance connection
between engine ground and the ground lead!!

One of them I installed factory block heater, so it's not as old
as the car. It is one that passed the test and does have a
ground path.

--  Philip

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Re: [MBZ] block heaters, well, mine at least

[Fmiser]

> > Allan Streib wrote:
> > You can put the block heater on a timer, just get a heavy
> > duty one, that's what I do.

> Mitch wrote:
>
> Why heavy duty? Doesn't the factory heater draw about 6 amps?
> (with AC, watts do not equal volt-amps)
> Mitch.

Help me out here.

I know that volt-amps and watts don't match for capacitive or
inductive loads - but with a resistive load, aren't they
practically the same thing?

-- Philip

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Re: [MBZ] block heaters, well, mine at least

[Wilton Strickland]

I've installed coupla heavy duty timers here in the house for receptacles
where hair driers and irons are plugged in; 'found irons left on too many
times.  These are turned on manually, though.  Check electrical supply house
or building supply such as Lowe's for the type you need to come on at a set
time, coupla hours before going to the car, for example.

Wilton

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From: "Michael E. Esh" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] block heaters, well, mine at least


> Can anyone recommend a timer that would work well with a block heater.
All
> I find at the hardware store are the flimsy ones.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
> [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Allan Streib
> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 9:18 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] block heaters, well, mine at least
>
>
> You can put the block heater on a timer, just get a heavy duty one,
> that's what I do.
>
> But I agree that other than wasting electricity, there's no real harm
> done having it plugged in all night.
>
> Allan
>
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Re: [MBZ] block heaters, well, mine at least

[Curt Raymond]

Last year I used a flimsy one... This year we just plug the car in when we go 
out to walk the dog, by the time I've showered and eaten breakfast everything 
is warmed up nice.

I saw no problems with the flimsy one other than it only having a 2 prong 
outlet.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 10:54:03 -0500
From: "Michael E. Esh" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] block heaters, well, mine at least
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
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Can anyone recommend a timer that would work well with a block heater.  All
I find at the hardware store are the flimsy ones.

Thanks,
Mike

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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Allan Streib
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 9:18 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] block heaters, well, mine at least


You can put the block heater on a timer, just get a heavy duty one,
that's what I do.

But I agree that other than wasting electricity, there's no real harm
done having it plugged in all night.

Allan


  
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Re: [MBZ] block heaters, well, mine at least

[Jim Cathey]

Why heavy duty? Doesn't the factory heater draw about 6 amps?


The factory heater is about 400W, or 400/120=3.3A or so.
The one in my Dodge RAM is 750W.


(with AC, watts do not equal volt-amps)


For purely resistive loads, such as incandescent lamps and heaters,
pretty much they do.

Can anyone recommend a timer that would work well with a block heater. 
 All

I find at the hardware store are the flimsy ones.


I use an X10 appliance module.  The troll's cron demon is responsible
for turning it on/off.  I haven't used it in years, though, as these
days I'm always up early enough to just go plug it in.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] block heaters, well, mine at least

[Allan Streib]

"Michael E. Esh"  said:

> Can anyone recommend a timer that would work well with a block heater. 
> All I find at the hardware store are the flimsy ones.

I use one like this

http://www.hardwareworld.com/24hour-Heavy-Duty-Timer-pIRUCSL.aspx

I'd be surprised if you had trouble finding one locally.

Allan
--
1983 300D


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Re: [MBZ] block heaters, well, mine at least

[Michael E. Esh]

Can anyone recommend a timer that would work well with a block heater.  All
I find at the hardware store are the flimsy ones.

Thanks,
Mike

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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Allan Streib
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 9:18 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] block heaters, well, mine at least


You can put the block heater on a timer, just get a heavy duty one,
that's what I do.

But I agree that other than wasting electricity, there's no real harm
done having it plugged in all night.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] block heaters, well, mine at least

[Allan Streib]

"Mitch Haley"  said:

> Allan Streib wrote:
> > You can put the block heater on a timer, just get a heavy duty one,
> > that's what I do.
> 
> Why heavy duty? Doesn't the factory heater draw about 6 amps?
> (with AC, watts do not equal volt-amps)

If for no other reason, a heavy duty timer will have a 3 prong switched
outlet so you can use a proper grounded extension cord for the block
heater.  Most household timers for lamps etc will have just a two prong
outlet.

Allan
--
1983 300D


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Re: [MBZ] block heaters, well, mine at least

[Mitch Haley]

Allan Streib wrote:

You can put the block heater on a timer, just get a heavy duty one,
that's what I do.


Why heavy duty? Doesn't the factory heater draw about 6 amps?
(with AC, watts do not equal volt-amps)
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] block heaters, well, mine at least

[Allan Streib]

You can put the block heater on a timer, just get a heavy duty one,
that's what I do.

But I agree that other than wasting electricity, there's no real harm
done having it plugged in all night.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] block heaters, well, mine at least

[OK Don]

I did the same thing for years with the '76 300D. - Never had a block
heater burn out. Just used more electricity than needed.

> Don't think so. Back when I had my '78 300D and I had to park it outside year
> round, in cold weather when I came home in the evening I would nose it up to
> the garage doors and plug it in. That would be about 5PM and at 7AM i'd unplug
> it and drive off to work. I did this countless times and aside from making
> the electric meter spin, there were no problems.
>
> This was the OE block heater and cord plugged into a heavy duty extenison
> cord.
>
> RLE

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Re: [MBZ] block heaters, well, mine at least

[RELNGSON]

> ...Ok, before it burned out, I would just plug it in in my driveway...a few 
> times I did it overnight, which is probably why it burned out...did not 
> realize it was not supposed to go all night.  I think two hours at the most?  
> Could the heavy duty extention cord be be hooked up to a timer? to come on 
> say 
> at 6 a.m.? ..
> 
Don't think so. Back when I had my '78 300D and I had to park it outside year 
round, in cold weather when I came home in the evening I would nose it up to 
the garage doors and plug it in. That would be about 5PM and at 7AM i'd unplug 
it and drive off to work. I did this countless times and aside from making 
the electric meter spin, there were no problems.

This was the OE block heater and cord plugged into a heavy duty extenison 
cord.

RLE
> 
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Re: [MBZ] block heaters

[Allan Streib]

Put a couple of dummy eagles, hawks, etc. around.  Should keep the
small fowl away.

Allan
--
1983 300D

"Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Has anyone had a problem with birds sitting on the rain gutter over
> the drivers and passengers doors and crapping on the mirrors and
> window sills?  I keep the 240D under a frame supported cloth canopy
> while working on the 300D in the shop and the birds will anoint it
> every day.  All I can think of to do is stretch rope across the top
> of the canopy and hang string or something down to car top level in
> the hopes that it will interfere with their flight.  Suppose I could
> hang wires down with a fence charger attached but don't know if the
> birds would be grounded enough sitting on the rain gutter to make it
> work.


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Re: [MBZ] block heaters

[Archer]

Has anyone had a problem with birds sitting on the rain gutter over the 
drivers and passengers doors and crapping on the mirrors and window sills? 
I keep the 240D under a frame supported cloth canopy while working on the 
300D in the shop and the birds will anoint it every day.  All I can think of 
to do is stretch rope across the top of the canopy and hang string or 
something down to car top level in the hopes that it will interfere with 
their flight.  Suppose I could hang wires down with a fence charger attached 
but don't know if the birds would be grounded enough sitting on the rain 
gutter to make it work.
Thanks,
Gerry
-
From: "R A Bennell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Well, there are little devices to put an electric charge into the body 
> that are supposed to eliminate rusting.
> Maybe, we use the 120V block heater and with the 220V power and feed the 
> other 120V to the body. Disourages car
> thieves, dogs, people who lean on the fender and scratch the paint etc. 
> Maybe even a wife who may want to borrow
> your car. Could be good all way around. Hope you have inexepensive 
> electricity where you live and a good memory so
> you unplug the car before opening the door to get in.
> Randy
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 2:52 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] block heaters
>
>> ..Use Mobile 1 and a block heater in winter, and your trusty MB will 
>> indeed
>> last forever...
> So it eliminates rust, then? Talk about unintended consequences.
> RLE


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Re: [MBZ] block heaters

[R A Bennell]

Well, there are little devices to put an electric charge into the body that are 
supposed to eliminate rusting.
Maybe, we use the 120V block heater and with the 220V power and feed the other 
120V to the body. Disourages car
thieves, dogs, people who lean on the fender and scratch the paint etc. Maybe 
even a wife who may want to borrow
your car. Could be good all way around. Hope you have inexepensive electricity 
where you live and a good memory so
you unplug the car before opening the door to get in.

Randy

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> ..Use Mobile 1 and a block heater in winter, and your trusty MB will indeed
> last forever...
>
So it eliminates rust, then? Talk about unintended consequences.

RLE
>
>




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Re: [MBZ] block heaters

[RELNGSON]

> ..Use Mobile 1 and a block heater in winter, and your trusty MB will indeed 
> last forever...
> 
So it eliminates rust, then? Talk about unintended consequences.

RLE
> 
> 




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Re: [MBZ] Block heaters

[Allan Streib]

"andrew strasfogel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> The block heater cord on the 1985 300CD is secured to the aux. fan
> with a plastic tie clamp so high up that the plug barely sticks out
> from under the grill.  I need to open the hood to be able to grasp
> the plug in order to plug/unplug the heater.  I am thinking of
> cutting the clamp to allow the cord to dangle out a bit more...

On my 300D the block heater plug emerges from the front of the car
under the right headlight area.  I assumed it was that way on all of
them...

Allan
-- 
1983 300D
1966 230

Re: [MBZ] Block heaters

[andrew strasfogel]

The block heater cord on the 1985 300CD is secured to the aux. fan with a
plastic tie clamp so high up that the plug barely sticks out from under the
grill.  I need to open the hood to be able to grasp the plug in order
to plug/unplug the heater.  I am thinking of cutting the clamp to allow the
cord to dangle out a bit more...

On 2/5/07, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Hey Levi,

How old are you? Even back when I was a kid in the '80s I remember seeing
cars with the plug dangling out just above the bumper...
New cords come with a cap, no snow and ice. The old one on my 240D didn't
have the cap but that wasn't a problem until the other end of the cord went
bad...

-Curt

Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 14:07:14 -0500
From: "Levi Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Block heaters
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Message-ID:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

I tried mine on the Kill-a-watt and it seems to only be around 375
watts.

What I'm curious about is if everyone is just popping the hood a couple
times a day to plug/unplug, or if anyone's figured out a better way?  I
think I could fit the plug out at either the front or rear of the hood
without pinching, but it would get full of snow and ice on the first
ride on
less than dry pavement...

Levi


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Re: [MBZ] Block heaters

[Werner Fehlauer]

Levi - any decent electrical supply store should be able to sell you a cover 
for the plug.  Usually, they are made of rubber (or similar stuff), and tied 
to the cord.  Basically a receptacle without any metal parts and enclosed, 
it fits the prongs on the plug and keeps them clean and fairly dry.


Werner

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Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Block heaters


We are of similar age I imagine, I'm 30.  I don't see that many plugs 
around

here, but I have seen plugs hanging out.  But I KNOW how full of crud it
would get around here.  I suppose the answer would be to just get some 
sort

of cover for it...

Levi

Re: [MBZ] Block heaters

[Levi Smith]

We are of similar age I imagine, I'm 30.  I don't see that many plugs around
here, but I have seen plugs hanging out.  But I KNOW how full of crud it
would get around here.  I suppose the answer would be to just get some sort
of cover for it...

Levi

On 2/5/07, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Hey Levi,

How old are you? Even back when I was a kid in the '80s I remember seeing
cars with the plug dangling out just above the bumper...
New cords come with a cap, no snow and ice. The old one on my 240D didn't
have the cap but that wasn't a problem until the other end of the cord went
bad...

-Curt

Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 14:07:14 -0500
From: "Levi Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Block heaters
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Message-ID:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

I tried mine on the Kill-a-watt and it seems to only be around 375
watts.

What I'm curious about is if everyone is just popping the hood a couple
times a day to plug/unplug, or if anyone's figured out a better way?  I
think I could fit the plug out at either the front or rear of the hood
without pinching, but it would get full of snow and ice on the first
ride on
less than dry pavement...

Levi


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Re: [MBZ] Block heaters

[ts]

I drove away once with the block heater, lube heater and battery heater all 
plugged in   Snap!!!


Regards Tom
- Original Message - 
From: "Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Block heaters


When I used one, I rigged up the extension cord so that when I backed up 
the

cord pulled tight & unplugged itself.

Thanks,
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Levi Smith
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 1:07 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Block heaters

I tried mine on the Kill-a-watt and it seems to only be around 375 watts.

What I'm curious about is if everyone is just popping the hood a couple
times a day to plug/unplug, or if anyone's figured out a better way?  I
think I could fit the plug out at either the front or rear of the hood
without pinching, but it would get full of snow and ice on the first ride 
on

less than dry pavement...

Levi

On 2/4/07, Steve Bailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




Do the Mercedes block heaters have any sort of thermostatic control or 
are
they always on when plugged in? Also, is there a chart of time required 
to

heat up an engine based on outside temps?

Steve


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Re: [MBZ] Block heaters

[Marshall Booth]

Steve Bailey wrote:


Do the Mercedes block heaters have any sort of thermostatic control or are
they always on when plugged in? Also, is there a chart of time required to
heat up an engine based on outside temps?


There is NO control, the block heater runs at full power as long as it's 
plugged in. They are all between 400-500W heaters so thats how much heat 
they can generate. That will heat the engine to 20-30 deg C. in a few 
hours if the outside temps aren't too low.


A chart would be rather pointless since so many other factors (such as 
sun and wind) would change how long it would take to heat the engine to 
a given temp. The actual intent is to raise the temp to about O deg. C. 
where the engine will start very easily. I have found that all of my 
cars (115, 123, 124, 201) would start when cold soaked to 20 below zero 
F (~30 below C) if the heater were energized for several hours.


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Block heaters

[Jim Cathey]

I tried mine on the Kill-a-watt and it seems to only be around 375 
watts.


Just about right.


What I'm curious about is if everyone is just popping the hood a couple
times a day to plug/unplug, or if anyone's figured out a better way?


My plug snakes through in front of the radiator, and tucks up behind
the bumper when not in use.  Stays relatively clean there, and is
easy to grab without popping the hood.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Block heaters

[Tom Hargrave]

When I used one, I rigged up the extension cord so that when I backed up the
cord pulled tight & unplugged itself.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Levi Smith
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 1:07 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Block heaters

I tried mine on the Kill-a-watt and it seems to only be around 375 watts.

What I'm curious about is if everyone is just popping the hood a couple
times a day to plug/unplug, or if anyone's figured out a better way?  I
think I could fit the plug out at either the front or rear of the hood
without pinching, but it would get full of snow and ice on the first ride on
less than dry pavement...

Levi

On 2/4/07, Steve Bailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Do the Mercedes block heaters have any sort of thermostatic control or are
> they always on when plugged in? Also, is there a chart of time required to
> heat up an engine based on outside temps?
>
> Steve
>
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Re: [MBZ] Block heaters

[Steve Bailey]

Thanks. I will look for a timer so that I don't just run it all night. I
only need it for maybe 2 weeks a year and have not invested any time in
finding out about it. I should ask my sister about them as she lives in
Fairbanks and will plug her car in all over town. 

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> Do the Mercedes block heaters have any sort of thermostatic control or 
> are
> they always on when plugged in? Also, is there a chart of time 
> required to
> heat up an engine based on outside temps?

Plugged-in == heat.  Simple.  I find that between 1-2 hours gives you
everything that can be gotten, more time is a waste.  Unless it is
particularly cold, even 1/2 hour will help markedly.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Block heaters

[Chuck Landenberger]

Levi,

On my '80 300SD, I snaked the plug out thru/near the right headlight  
assembly and kept it behind the "override bumper".  The plug has a  
cover so that it could be kept dry.  Never needed to open hood.


Before I got the block heater, I used to put a 60W bulb next to the  
injector and a 200W w/reflector under the oil pan.  That worked, but  
was a whole lot more trouble.


HTH and take care,

Chuck
Phoenix, AZ  Only vergassers now and no need for a block heater  
in Phoenix


On Feb 4, 2007, at 12:07 PM, Levi Smith wrote:

I tried mine on the Kill-a-watt and it seems to only be around 375  
watts.


What I'm curious about is if everyone is just popping the hood a  
couple
times a day to plug/unplug, or if anyone's figured out a better  
way?  I

think I could fit the plug out at either the front or rear of the hood
without pinching, but it would get full of snow and ice on the  
first ride on

less than dry pavement...

Re: [MBZ] Block heaters

[Levi Smith]

I tried mine on the Kill-a-watt and it seems to only be around 375 watts.

What I'm curious about is if everyone is just popping the hood a couple
times a day to plug/unplug, or if anyone's figured out a better way?  I
think I could fit the plug out at either the front or rear of the hood
without pinching, but it would get full of snow and ice on the first ride on
less than dry pavement...

Levi

On 2/4/07, Steve Bailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




Do the Mercedes block heaters have any sort of thermostatic control or are
they always on when plugged in? Also, is there a chart of time required to
heat up an engine based on outside temps?

Steve


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Re: [MBZ] Block heaters

[Bill Gallagher]

temp -10F and told 1 1/2 hours plug in time for my 81 300 TD to start 
almost instantly


bill

Jim Cathey wrote:
Do the Mercedes block heaters have any sort of thermostatic control or 
are
they always on when plugged in? Also, is there a chart of time 
required to

heat up an engine based on outside temps?



Plugged-in == heat.  Simple.  I find that between 1-2 hours gives you
everything that can be gotten, more time is a waste.  Unless it is
particularly cold, even 1/2 hour will help markedly.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Block heaters

[Jim Cathey]

Do the Mercedes block heaters have any sort of thermostatic control or 
are
they always on when plugged in? Also, is there a chart of time 
required to

heat up an engine based on outside temps?


Plugged-in == heat.  Simple.  I find that between 1-2 hours gives you
everything that can be gotten, more time is a waste.  Unless it is
particularly cold, even 1/2 hour will help markedly.

-- Jim

[MBZ] Block heaters

[Steve Bailey]

Do the Mercedes block heaters have any sort of thermostatic control or are
they always on when plugged in? Also, is there a chart of time required to
heat up an engine based on outside temps?

Steve

Re: [MBZ] Block Heaters Yes or no

[David Brodbeck]

R A Bennell wrote:
> Better have a good memory. It wouldn't be good to forget and take off
> without returning the oil to its normal place.

Pilots don't trust to memory.  They use checklists.


David Brodbeck
'83 300D Turbo

Re: [MBZ] Block heaters

[RELNGSON]

<>


My '78 came with a card   in the glovebox entitling me to   a free 
blockheater installation mit cord. Of course I said yes and a good thing since 
the 
original glowplugs were fading at 90K miles. 

RLE

Re: [MBZ] Block Heaters Yes or no

[John Berryman]

On Mar 10, 2006, at 4:42 PM, Zoltan Finks wrote:


 very few people heat with
Wood anymore, and those that do, understand what you can do with  
it.  I

only
mention it because of your "science" in how to work without power.




	I heat with wood but have an oil fired hot water system that kicks  
on now and again. I have a black-belt in wood science too.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] Block Heaters Yes or no

[John Berryman]

On Mar 10, 2006, at 4:41 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

 I've considered this idea but the idea of being out there doing  
the draining in the cold gives me a shiver...


  -Curt



Go Synthetic, oh mighty bush pilots. Do they allow syn oil in aircraft?

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] Block Heaters Yes or no

[Jim Cathey]

It is important, in my present line of work that my car starts
without requiring 110v, as I am frequently in disaster areas where
power is out. I often have to stay in mass shelters with evacuees and
disaster workers of all flavors and power is a precious commodity,
its use is prioritized. Cell phones come before block heaters and
there are many more important needs than that.


Webasto or Espar fuel-fired preheater!

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Block Heaters Yes or no

[Curt Raymond]

I'm given to understand the bush pilots will frequently remove the oil from the 
engine and keep it warm inside with them, then put it back in the engine in the 
morning.
  I've considered this idea but the idea of being out there doing the draining 
in the cold gives me a shiver...
   
  -Curt
   
  Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 11:38:27 -0800
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Johnny B-
 I do it for science. It is good to know how to get the car started  
 in the event of power failures ( which usually occur in Winter
around  
 here) and how low you can go.

OK, fine, just after you experiment, and then KNOW, why not take it 
easy on
the engine?


 I live where you live except they call it New York over here.
Heh-Very funny!  Well, actually, I moved out.  In Las Vegas now, and 
not
returning.
Got rid of the block heater for good.  PS the cable fits neatly into 
the
recess behind
That bumper on the bumper detail on the 300 SD, so it's invisble, and 
well
protected too.

 I mostly tell my cold start stories so some of the other folks on  
 the list can feel more secure about their cars starting when it gets

 cold. It seems to me that many who live in much warmer climes than
you and  
 I have the greatest paranoia when it comes to cold starts. I hope to

 ease their minds and reduce the stress that they endure as a result.

Good Point, but it (cold starts) IS something to consider.  I have done
stuff like put hot coals under the oil pan
>From the wood fire.   Now, I'm sure that is not OSHA procedure.  But, 
you
know, often when it is 30 below
It is rare to have wind.  Often VERY cold has no wind (Smoke goes 
vertical
for hundreds of feet from chimneys)
So in that state, the hot radiant heat warms the oil to allow easier
cranking.   Please, don?t blame me for your
Car burning up, if a diesel hose bursts, and your car goes in flames.  
As it
turns out, very few people heat with
Wood anymore, and those that do, understand what you can do with it.  I 
only
mention it because of your "science" in how to work without power.  





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Actually I like to do this science work too. Usually when the stakes are no=
t
high. I like to find out - okay, will the thing start under these
conditions? How about these conditions? For instance, I know that if I go
out and start and run the car tonight before bed (not referring to my 240D)=
,
it'll start okay in the a.m. But since it's not critical that I be somewher=
e
in the a.m. let's try not doing it and see how it s

Re: [MBZ] Block Heaters Yes or no

[John Berryman]

On Mar 10, 2006, at 2:38 PM, Richard Barnaby wrote:

OK, fine, just after you experiment, and then KNOW, why not take it  
easy on

the engine?



	I just got the 190D this Winter, and there is no block heater in it.  
I intend to install it shortly after it arrives. The temps will be  
decent from here on in, so it probably won't be used until next winter.
	My engines don't suffer, they get plugged in when they need it. I  
don't make a sport of it, if that's what you think. I just make sure  
they are all up to snuff and will start when things get rough.
	It is important, in my present line of work that my car starts  
without requiring 110v, as I am frequently in disaster areas where  
power is out. I often have to stay in mass shelters with evacuees and  
disaster workers of all flavors and power is a precious commodity,  
its use is prioritized. Cell phones come before block heaters and  
there are many more important needs than that.
	I am away from home for 4+ months at times, so my wife's car needs  
to be even more reliable than mine.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] Block Heaters Yes or no

[Richard Barnaby]

Johnny B-
I do it for science. It is good to know how to get the car started  
in the event of power failures ( which usually occur in Winter
around  
here) and how low you can go.

OK, fine, just after you experiment, and then KNOW, why not take it easy on
the engine?


I live where you live except they call it New York over here.
Heh-Very funny!  Well, actually, I moved out.  In Las Vegas now, and not
returning.
Got rid of the block heater for good.  PS the cable fits neatly into the
recess behind
That bumper on the bumper detail on the 300 SD, so it's invisble, and well
protected too.

I mostly tell my cold start stories so some of the other folks on  
the list can feel more secure about their cars starting when it gets

cold.   It seems to me that many who live in much warmer climes than
you and  
I have the greatest paranoia when it comes to cold starts. I hope to

ease their minds and reduce the stress that they endure as a result.

Good Point, but it (cold starts) IS something to consider.  I have done
stuff like put hot coals under the oil pan
>From the wood fire.   Now, I'm sure that is not OSHA procedure.  But, you
know, often when it is 30 below
It is rare to have wind.  Often VERY cold has no wind (Smoke goes vertical
for hundreds of feet from chimneys)
So in that state, the hot radiant heat warms the oil to allow easier
cranking.   Please, don’t blame me for your
Car burning up, if a diesel hose bursts, and your car goes in flames.  As it
turns out, very few people heat with
Wood anymore, and those that do, understand what you can do with it.  I only
mention it because of your "science" in how to work without power.  


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