Re: [MBZ] Cheap diesel for sale

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Anyone building drag engines for serious competition is more than capable
of rebuilding a continental or Lycoming or what have you. My cousin is a
truck dealer and rebuilds airplanes and races cars also. There is no magic
to rebuilding any of those motors.

There are specifications of course. If the machinist chooses not to follow
them, then of course there could be problems.

I called Mike yesterday at metric about this issue. He said there are a few
tricks that you learn over time that might make a Mercedes-specific build a
bit better, but that if a shop reads the specs and follows them, and they
are used to working on diesels, they would be able to do as good a good job
on a mercedes as on any other engine. He also said that if the engine has
10,000 miles on it after the rebuild, there is nothing seriously wrong with
it.

FWIW,
Karl

On Aug 10, 2016 11:21 AM, "fmiser via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Karl wrote:
>
> All the technical measurement stuff you are talking about is
> standard practice.

A 12L or 14L big truck engine is really not very similar to the
OM617.  Just because someone is really good at overhauling and
rebuilding a Cummins, Detroit, or Caterpillar engine does not mean
they will do well with the Mercedes.

They might - but it's a bit like asking a drag racing mechanic to
rebuild the Continental airplane engine.  They are both gasoline
engines, can't be _that_ different - right?

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Re: [MBZ] Cheap diesel for sale

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Karl wrote:
> 
> All the technical measurement stuff you are talking about is
> standard practice.

A 12L or 14L big truck engine is really not very similar to the
OM617.  Just because someone is really good at overhauling and
rebuilding a Cummins, Detroit, or Caterpillar engine does not mean
they will do well with the Mercedes.

They might - but it's a bit like asking a drag racing mechanic to
rebuild the Continental airplane engine.  They are both gasoline
engines, can't be _that_ different - right?

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Re: [MBZ] Cheap diesel for sale

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Mercedes has long run very tight clearances. 
I wonder how much of the bad reputation for rebuilds is the result of the
machinist not knowing or not wanting to use the factory specs. 

> On August 10, 2016 at 9:56 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Yes it might be worth looking at a receipt and even calling the machine
> shop. He gave me the name. The seller owns a truck repair shop.
> 
> I have been nibbling at him for awhile now, just to see if he is ready to
> come down. My assessment is that he is pretty sharp. Nobody stays in the
> truck repair business long without having a good machine shop. All the
> technical measurement stuff you are talking about is standard practice.
> 
> Anyway you might be right, it could be too much trouble for an overpriced
> car. Or it could be a chance to get a 124 with a basically new motor and
> transmission and suspension.
> 
> K
> 
> On Aug 10, 2016 6:45 AM, "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
> 
> > Karl,
> >
> > The description of the problem leading to the engine rebuild raises a big
> > red flag.  If the engine ran too long with a bent connecting rod, that
> > cylinder may have worn in an oval pattern and was (is?) no longer within
> > tolerance.  If the shop that rebuilt this engine did not properly measure
> > and either ensure that cylinder was within Mercedes-Benz spec, or properly
> > replace the liner and then bore and hone to spec, the rebuild will not last
> > as long as a factory motor.  The pistons are fitted to the cylinders, so if
> > all they did was install fresh rings, or renew the cylinder liner and then
> > re-use the piston without ensuring it was the correct size, engine life may
> > be shortened.  Unless the shop has a great reputation for rebuilding MB
> > passenger car diesel engines, then reputation means nothing.  I would stay
> > far away from the car you have described, or budget finding and installing
> > a good used original engine.  We haven't even begun to talk about bearing
> > specs or any of the other little gotchas that can decrease engine life.
> >
> > You could insist on a used engine oil analysis, which would give you an
> > idea of what is going on inside the engine.  I would also want to get a
> > written money-back contract, so that you can judge the oil consumption
> > (which should be less than a quart every 5k miles).  Measure the engine
> > compression.  Test coolant for traces of exhaust gas.  0-60 time should
> > meet or exceed factory spec.  All this would be a lot of work for a $3k
> > car, that's why I would keep looking if I were in your shoes.
> >
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 9:00 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Apparently it stopped firing on all 5 at 277k. When opened to
> > investigate,
> > > the connecting rod was 3/16 short, so I'm guessing it had a head gasket
> > > leak and hydrolocked or something. Anyway the top and bottom were rebuilt
> > > at a reputable shop as were the pump and turbo and transmission with all
> > > Mercedes parts.
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] Cheap diesel for sale

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Yes it might be worth looking at a receipt and even calling the machine
shop. He gave me the name. The seller owns a truck repair shop.

I have been nibbling at him for awhile now, just to see if he is ready to
come down. My assessment is that he is pretty sharp. Nobody stays in the
truck repair business long without having a good machine shop. All the
technical measurement stuff you are talking about is standard practice.

Anyway you might be right, it could be too much trouble for an overpriced
car. Or it could be a chance to get a 124 with a basically new motor and
transmission and suspension.

K

On Aug 10, 2016 6:45 AM, "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Karl,
>
> The description of the problem leading to the engine rebuild raises a big
> red flag.  If the engine ran too long with a bent connecting rod, that
> cylinder may have worn in an oval pattern and was (is?) no longer within
> tolerance.  If the shop that rebuilt this engine did not properly measure
> and either ensure that cylinder was within Mercedes-Benz spec, or properly
> replace the liner and then bore and hone to spec, the rebuild will not last
> as long as a factory motor.  The pistons are fitted to the cylinders, so if
> all they did was install fresh rings, or renew the cylinder liner and then
> re-use the piston without ensuring it was the correct size, engine life may
> be shortened.  Unless the shop has a great reputation for rebuilding MB
> passenger car diesel engines, then reputation means nothing.  I would stay
> far away from the car you have described, or budget finding and installing
> a good used original engine.  We haven't even begun to talk about bearing
> specs or any of the other little gotchas that can decrease engine life.
>
> You could insist on a used engine oil analysis, which would give you an
> idea of what is going on inside the engine.  I would also want to get a
> written money-back contract, so that you can judge the oil consumption
> (which should be less than a quart every 5k miles).  Measure the engine
> compression.  Test coolant for traces of exhaust gas.  0-60 time should
> meet or exceed factory spec.  All this would be a lot of work for a $3k
> car, that's why I would keep looking if I were in your shoes.
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
> On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 9:00 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Apparently it stopped firing on all 5 at 277k. When opened to
> investigate,
> > the connecting rod was 3/16 short, so I'm guessing it had a head gasket
> > leak and hydrolocked or something. Anyway the top and bottom were rebuilt
> > at a reputable shop as were the pump and turbo and transmission with all
> > Mercedes parts.
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Cheap diesel for sale

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Karl,

The description of the problem leading to the engine rebuild raises a big
red flag.  If the engine ran too long with a bent connecting rod, that
cylinder may have worn in an oval pattern and was (is?) no longer within
tolerance.  If the shop that rebuilt this engine did not properly measure
and either ensure that cylinder was within Mercedes-Benz spec, or properly
replace the liner and then bore and hone to spec, the rebuild will not last
as long as a factory motor.  The pistons are fitted to the cylinders, so if
all they did was install fresh rings, or renew the cylinder liner and then
re-use the piston without ensuring it was the correct size, engine life may
be shortened.  Unless the shop has a great reputation for rebuilding MB
passenger car diesel engines, then reputation means nothing.  I would stay
far away from the car you have described, or budget finding and installing
a good used original engine.  We haven't even begun to talk about bearing
specs or any of the other little gotchas that can decrease engine life.

You could insist on a used engine oil analysis, which would give you an
idea of what is going on inside the engine.  I would also want to get a
written money-back contract, so that you can judge the oil consumption
(which should be less than a quart every 5k miles).  Measure the engine
compression.  Test coolant for traces of exhaust gas.  0-60 time should
meet or exceed factory spec.  All this would be a lot of work for a $3k
car, that's why I would keep looking if I were in your shoes.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 9:00 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> Apparently it stopped firing on all 5 at 277k. When opened to investigate,
> the connecting rod was 3/16 short, so I'm guessing it had a head gasket
> leak and hydrolocked or something. Anyway the top and bottom were rebuilt
> at a reputable shop as were the pump and turbo and transmission with all
> Mercedes parts.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Cheap diesel for sale

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Thanks that is all good info regarding rebuilt motors.

Apparently it stopped firing on all 5 at 277k. When opened to investigate,
the connecting rod was 3/16 short, so I'm guessing it had a head gasket
leak and hydrolocked or something. Anyway the top and bottom were rebuilt
at a reputable shop as were the pump and turbo and transmission with all
Mercedes parts.

I'm not sure I buy the "Mercedes crate motor" magic stuff. Any diesel truck
engine rebuilder is going to be pretty competent at that, and there are
plenty of other diesel motors out there doing comparable hours between
rebuilds.

Injection pumps: there is a bosch rebuilt 603 pump on my 606 right now, and
it works very well.

I certainly value my 123 more with a rebuilt head and new transmission.
Even if people think it should have gone farther than 200k before doing
that work, it is now at least 200k miles further from needing it again.
Maybe 400k, like you guys say. But maybe that feeling is also just a
function of having written the checks, and in any event it is farther than
I am likely to ever drive it.









On Aug 9, 2016 7:14 PM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Neither engine nor pump should need to be "rebuilt" in under 400K
> Trans Maybe @250 to 350k.  (assuming oil  changes as prescribed and OE
> quality filters used (mann only for the 124 trans).
>
> I'd not buy a car with a "rebuilt" OM603, unless I discounted the cost of
> the replacement engine and installation.   Factory crate engine, as Curt
> said, is a plus.  The kleb car I had had a "rebuilt" IP (not from a dealer)
> and never did trust that IP.  A Bosch dealer can't get all parts nor specs
> for calibration for a MB pump.  According to Bosch, they are "MB only."
> You have to get the rebuilt exchange, or new pump from the dealer.  In
> truth, a really good IP shop can replace elements, and if they have had
> access to a known good pump, can determine the calibration, within reason.
> I think they can't get parts for the governor, and may not be able to test
> the governor.  At least that USED to be the case...
>
> The first OM603 I had with 300k, I did a compression test, and all
> cylinders were 425psi.  That is the high side of the factory spec for a
> new, broken in engine, or an engine in perfect shape. At 300k, you might
> want to check chain stretch...
>
>
> Max Dillon via Mercedes 
>> August 9, 2016 at 7:09 PM
>> Indeed, usually a rebuilt engine will not last as long as an original
>> engine, unless it was rebuilt by Mercedes-Benz. They are very difficult
>> engines to rebuild correctly. I would take Kaleb's over your example every
>> time.
>>
>> A rebuilt transmission is a bonus, and if the injection pump is rebuilt
>> that is also a bonus.
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Cheap diesel for sale

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Neither engine nor pump should need to be "rebuilt" in under 400K  
Trans Maybe @250 to 350k.  (assuming oil  changes as prescribed and 
OE quality filters used (mann only for the 124 trans).


I'd not buy a car with a "rebuilt" OM603, unless I discounted the cost 
of the replacement engine and installation.   Factory crate engine, as 
Curt said, is a plus.  The kleb car I had had a "rebuilt" IP (not from a 
dealer) and never did trust that IP.  A Bosch dealer can't get all parts 
nor specs for calibration for a MB pump.  According to Bosch, they are 
"MB only."  You have to get the rebuilt exchange, or new pump from the 
dealer.  In truth, a really good IP shop can replace elements, and if 
they have had access to a known good pump, can determine the 
calibration, within reason.  I think they can't get parts for the 
governor, and may not be able to test the governor.  At least that USED 
to be the case...


The first OM603 I had with 300k, I did a compression test, and all 
cylinders were 425psi.  That is the high side of the factory spec for a 
new, broken in engine, or an engine in perfect shape. At 300k, you might 
want to check chain stretch...




Max Dillon via Mercedes 
August 9, 2016 at 7:09 PM
Indeed, usually a rebuilt engine will not last as long as an original 
engine, unless it was rebuilt by Mercedes-Benz. They are very 
difficult engines to rebuild correctly. I would take Kaleb's over your 
example every time.


A rebuilt transmission is a bonus, and if the injection pump is 
rebuilt that is also a bonus.




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Re: [MBZ] Cheap diesel for sale

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Indeed, usually a rebuilt engine will not last as long as an original engine, 
unless it was rebuilt by Mercedes-Benz.  They are very difficult engines to 
rebuild correctly.  I would take Kaleb's over your example every time.

A rebuilt transmission is a bonus, and if the injection pump is rebuilt that is 
also a bonus.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On August 9, 2016 7:26:57 PM EDT, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>I wouldn't consider a rebuilt engine a huge bonus, these engines simply
>don't fail in the 200,000 mile range. Might need injectors but thats
>not even a big job.
>-Curt
>
>
>  From: Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
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>Cc: Karl Wittnebel <atypical...@gmail.com>; Max Dillon
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> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 7:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cheap diesel for sale
>   
>Oh, Kaleb's 300d looks nice, but I have been dealing on one like it for
>awhile, and I want something mostly rebuilt. So I'm thinking of buying
>this
>1990 model instead.
>
>The motor was completely rebuilt, as were the trans and suspension,
>which
>should count for something I think, as compared to driving examples
>with
>nearly 200k on them. That stuff is not free; the parts alone for the
>motor
>are probably 5k, plus 2k for the trans, etc. I just want to drive
>something
>- not fix it for once.
>
>My only other MBZ cars right now are the 606 87 wagon and my 123 wagon,
>neither of which I am inclined to let go of just yet =:-)
>
>Karl
>
>On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 2:55 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
>mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> That's pretty high for this coast, you may find a buyer out there.
>> --
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> '87 300TD
>> '95 E300
>>
>> On August 9, 2016 4:56:46 PM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >What would this car be worth with faded paint, a dented trunk lid,
>> >newly
>> >fully rebuilt tranny/turbo/injection pump/motor, new ball joints,
>> >shocks
>> >etc, and an AC that doesn't turn on (but heat works and it has a new
>> >compressor)?
>> >
>> >I'm thinking 3k, but could it be more?
>> >
>> >Thanks for input.
>> >
>> >Karl
>> >
>> >
>> >On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 9:55 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
>> >mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> If it weren't black, I'd be interested.
>> >>
>> >> Max Dillon via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> >>> August 8, 2016 at 11:39 PM
>> >>> Black paint? Deduct another couple hundred
>> >>>
>> >>> ;) Just kidding, If I needed a nice sedan, I'd be plotting a trip
>to
>> >get
>> >>> that now.
>> >>> M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> >>> August 8, 2016 at 11:31 PM
>> >>> Also, got a replacement wheel for the dented right rear rim?
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 2:10 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel
>> ><marme...@gmail.com>
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>> >>> August 8, 2016 at 2:10 PM
>> >>> "the climate control blower motor does not kick on"
>> >>>
>> >>> So no A/C?
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 1:19 PM, Craig via Mercedes
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>> >>> On Mon, 8 Aug 2016 12:56:46 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via
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Re: [MBZ] Cheap diesel for sale

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On August 9, 2016 at 7:14 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> The motor was completely rebuilt, as were the trans and suspension, which
> should count for something I think,

I'd rather have a perfect running 200kmi diesel than a rebuilt one, unless I
knew exactly who and how it was rebuilt. Now, a factory crate motor, that's
really worth something. 
There's probably a lot more rebuilders who would do a good job on the
transmission, and anybody can renew the suspension as long as he knows to
tighten the bolts on all the rubber bushings with the car's weight on the
suspension and to use a spreader bar when adjusting toe-in.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Cheap diesel for sale

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I wouldn't consider a rebuilt engine a huge bonus, these engines simply don't 
fail in the 200,000 mile range. Might need injectors but thats not even a big 
job.
-Curt


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Oh, Kaleb's 300d looks nice, but I have been dealing on one like it for
awhile, and I want something mostly rebuilt. So I'm thinking of buying this
1990 model instead.

The motor was completely rebuilt, as were the trans and suspension, which
should count for something I think, as compared to driving examples with
nearly 200k on them. That stuff is not free; the parts alone for the motor
are probably 5k, plus 2k for the trans, etc. I just want to drive something
- not fix it for once.

My only other MBZ cars right now are the 606 87 wagon and my 123 wagon,
neither of which I am inclined to let go of just yet =:-)

Karl

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 2:55 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> That's pretty high for this coast, you may find a buyer out there.
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
>
> On August 9, 2016 4:56:46 PM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >What would this car be worth with faded paint, a dented trunk lid,
> >newly
> >fully rebuilt tranny/turbo/injection pump/motor, new ball joints,
> >shocks
> >etc, and an AC that doesn't turn on (but heat works and it has a new
> >compressor)?
> >
> >I'm thinking 3k, but could it be more?
> >
> >Thanks for input.
> >
> >Karl
> >
> >
> >On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 9:55 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> >mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> If it weren't black, I'd be interested.
> >>
> >> Max Dillon via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >>> August 8, 2016 at 11:39 PM
> >>> Black paint? Deduct another couple hundred
> >>>
> >>> ;) Just kidding, If I needed a nice sedan, I'd be plotting a trip to
> >get
> >>> that now.
> >>> M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >>> August 8, 2016 at 11:31 PM
> >>> Also, got a replacement wheel for the dented right rear rim?
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 2:10 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel
> ><marme...@gmail.com>
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> >>> August 8, 2016 at 2:10 PM
> >>> "the climate control blower motor does not kick on"
> >>>
> >>> So no A/C?
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 1:19 PM, Craig via Mercedes
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> >>> >
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> >>> August 8, 2016 at 1:19 PM
> >>> On Mon, 8 Aug 2016 12:56:46 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
> >>>
> >>> How much for the package delivered to Moriarty, NM?
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] Cheap diesel for sale

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Oh, Kaleb's 300d looks nice, but I have been dealing on one like it for
awhile, and I want something mostly rebuilt. So I'm thinking of buying this
1990 model instead.

The motor was completely rebuilt, as were the trans and suspension, which
should count for something I think, as compared to driving examples with
nearly 200k on them. That stuff is not free; the parts alone for the motor
are probably 5k, plus 2k for the trans, etc. I just want to drive something
- not fix it for once.

My only other MBZ cars right now are the 606 87 wagon and my 123 wagon,
neither of which I am inclined to let go of just yet =:-)

Karl

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> That's pretty high for this coast, you may find a buyer out there.
> --
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>
> On August 9, 2016 4:56:46 PM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >What would this car be worth with faded paint, a dented trunk lid,
> >newly
> >fully rebuilt tranny/turbo/injection pump/motor, new ball joints,
> >shocks
> >etc, and an AC that doesn't turn on (but heat works and it has a new
> >compressor)?
> >
> >I'm thinking 3k, but could it be more?
> >
> >Thanks for input.
> >
> >Karl
> >
> >
> >On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 9:55 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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> >> If it weren't black, I'd be interested.
> >>
> >> Max Dillon via Mercedes 
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> >>> Black paint? Deduct another couple hundred
> >>>
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> >get
> >>> that now.
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That's pretty high for this coast, you may find a buyer out there.
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On August 9, 2016 4:56:46 PM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>What would this car be worth with faded paint, a dented trunk lid,
>newly
>fully rebuilt tranny/turbo/injection pump/motor, new ball joints,
>shocks
>etc, and an AC that doesn't turn on (but heat works and it has a new
>compressor)?
>
>I'm thinking 3k, but could it be more?
>
>Thanks for input.
>
>Karl
>
>
>On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 9:55 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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>
>> If it weren't black, I'd be interested.
>>
>> Max Dillon via Mercedes 
>>> August 8, 2016 at 11:39 PM
>>> Black paint? Deduct another couple hundred
>>>
>>> ;) Just kidding, If I needed a nice sedan, I'd be plotting a trip to
>get
>>> that now.
>>> M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes 
>>> August 8, 2016 at 11:31 PM
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Re: [MBZ] Cheap diesel for sale

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What would this car be worth with faded paint, a dented trunk lid, newly
fully rebuilt tranny/turbo/injection pump/motor, new ball joints, shocks
etc, and an AC that doesn't turn on (but heat works and it has a new
compressor)?

I'm thinking 3k, but could it be more?

Thanks for input.

Karl


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> If it weren't black, I'd be interested.
>
> Max Dillon via Mercedes 
>> August 8, 2016 at 11:39 PM
>> Black paint? Deduct another couple hundred
>>
>> ;) Just kidding, If I needed a nice sedan, I'd be plotting a trip to get
>> that now.
>> M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes 
>> August 8, 2016 at 11:31 PM
>> Also, got a replacement wheel for the dented right rear rim?
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Cheap diesel for sale

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

If it weren't black, I'd be interested.


Max Dillon via Mercedes 
August 8, 2016 at 11:39 PM
Black paint? Deduct another couple hundred

;) Just kidding, If I needed a nice sedan, I'd be plotting a trip to 
get that now.

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August 8, 2016 at 11:31 PM
Also, got a replacement wheel for the dented right rear rim?

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"the climate control blower motor does not kick on"

So no A/C?

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How much for the package delivered to Moriarty, NM?


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Re: [MBZ] Cheap diesel for sale

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Black paint?  Deduct another couple hundred

;)  Just kidding, If I needed a nice sedan, I'd be plotting a trip to get that 
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Re: [MBZ] Cheap diesel for sale

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Also, got a replacement wheel for the dented right rear rim?

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> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 1:19 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
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>
>> On Mon, 8 Aug 2016 12:56:46 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
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Re: [MBZ] Cheap diesel for sale

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"the climate control blower motor does not kick on"

So no A/C?

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> On Mon, 8 Aug 2016 12:56:46 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
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Re: [MBZ] Cheap diesel for sale

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> I will deliver for cost of expenses 

How much for the package delivered to Moriarty, NM?


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Re: [MBZ] Cheap diesel for sale

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Seriously - it is a VERY nice looking and affordable car.

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> >> Ad needs fixin' in the last para:  " Emails asking if the ***truck*** is
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Re: [MBZ] Cheap diesel for sale

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I will deliver for cost of expenses 

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Re: [MBZ] Cheap diesel for sale

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I will pay cash if you deliver to me in upstate NY.

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Ad needs fixin' in the last para:  " Emails asking if the ***truck*** is
still for sale will be...".

Right front signal light also looks broken.

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Re: [MBZ] Cheap diesel for sale

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Whatever you get over $1200 you can keep.

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> 
>> On 8/8/16 12:56 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> Cash only.
>> 
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>>> On Aug 8, 2016, at 11:53 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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>>> How low will you go on it?
>>> 
>>> Will you finance?  I can give you $200 now and $100 a week, I need it today.
>>> 
>>> I can send a certified check drawn on the Bank of Lagos.
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> 
>>> 
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 I picked this up a while back because it was really nice and does not need 
 much work at all. Since I just got another 95 diesel and have about 6 more 
 of these I need to just move it out. It would make a great car for 
 somebody.
 
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I can help you get top dollar for only 30% of the saleing cost

--FT


On 8/8/16 12:56 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Cash only.

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How low will you go on it?

Will you finance?  I can give you $200 now and $100 a week, I need it today.

I can send a certified check drawn on the Bank of Lagos.

--FT



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I picked this up a while back because it was really nice and does not need much 
work at all. Since I just got another 95 diesel and have about 6 more of these 
I need to just move it out. It would make a great car for somebody.

1992 Mercedes Benz 300D 2.5 Turbo Diesel
http://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/5722002887.html

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Re: [MBZ] Cheap diesel for sale

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Cash only.

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> On Aug 8, 2016, at 11:53 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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> How low will you go on it?
> 
> Will you finance?  I can give you $200 now and $100 a week, I need it today.
> 
> I can send a certified check drawn on the Bank of Lagos.
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>> On 8/8/16 12:49 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> I picked this up a while back because it was really nice and does not need 
>> much work at all. Since I just got another 95 diesel and have about 6 more 
>> of these I need to just move it out. It would make a great car for somebody.
>> 
>> 1992 Mercedes Benz 300D 2.5 Turbo Diesel
>> http://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/5722002887.html
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Cheap diesel for sale

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

How low will you go on it?

Will you finance?  I can give you $200 now and $100 a week, I need it today.

I can send a certified check drawn on the Bank of Lagos.

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On 8/8/16 12:49 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

I picked this up a while back because it was really nice and does not need much 
work at all. Since I just got another 95 diesel and have about 6 more of these 
I need to just move it out. It would make a great car for somebody.

1992 Mercedes Benz 300D 2.5 Turbo Diesel
http://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/5722002887.html

via cPro for Craigslist
iOS: http://tinyurl.com/cPro-iDevice
Android: http://tinyurl.com/CL-Android


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[MBZ] Cheap diesel for sale

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I picked this up a while back because it was really nice and does not need much 
work at all. Since I just got another 95 diesel and have about 6 more of these 
I need to just move it out. It would make a great car for somebody.

1992 Mercedes Benz 300D 2.5 Turbo Diesel
http://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/5722002887.html

via cPro for Craigslist
iOS: http://tinyurl.com/cPro-iDevice
Android: http://tinyurl.com/CL-Android


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