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Cimmeron, it was just a J car (sunbird, cavalier) On 8/20/2011 2:52 PM, WILTON wrote: Was Citation the cheap little Cadillac? If not, what was that POS called, other than POS, that is? Wilton - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Citation The only thing really wrong with those cars was the GM tendency to make junk parts and cheat on everything. The sheetmetat was crap, the plastic parts weren't made right (and the managers at the production plants lied about it) quality control was about par with a Soviet factory, etc. The design wasn't too bad, they got decent milage, and if not made from trash they'd have been decent cars for 1980. I've heard that GM finally learned not to make cars form junkyard parts, but I'll believe it when I see one 25 years old with 300,000 miles on it working well with minimal mechanicing, like my Benz. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yes - the best description comes form Lee Iaccoca SP?, in his auto biography. he says (give or take its from memory) One day the marketing guys a Cadillac realized the average age of their customer was between 75 and deceased so they ordered enough leather and gold trip to turn a caviler into a Cadillac. And walla, you had the cimmeron. On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 8:16 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: Cimmeron, it was just a J car (sunbird, cavalier) On 8/20/2011 2:52 PM, WILTON wrote: Was Citation the cheap little Cadillac? If not, what was that POS called, other than POS, that is? Wilton - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Citation The only thing really wrong with those cars was the GM tendency to make junk parts and cheat on everything. The sheetmetat was crap, the plastic parts weren't made right (and the managers at the production plants lied about it) quality control was about par with a Soviet factory, etc. The design wasn't too bad, they got decent milage, and if not made from trash they'd have been decent cars for 1980. I've heard that GM finally learned not to make cars form junkyard parts, but I'll believe it when I see one 25 years old with 300,000 miles on it working well with minimal mechanicing, like my Benz. Peter __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Peter wrote: I've heard that GM finally learned not to make cars form junkyard parts, but I'll believe it when I see one 25 years old with 300,000 miles on it working well with minimal mechanicing, like my Benz. I had just under 300,000 miles on my 1984 Oldsmobile Delta 88 when I sold it in 1999. So, that's 15 years. I suspect, if you wait until 2013, you will find 1988 model Oldsmobiles, Pontiacs, Chevy's, and Buicks that have 300,000 miles, are 25 years old and work well. 1988 was a watershed year for GM because of the 3800 engine. GM cars begin to improve dramatically starting in 1988 and continuing through the 1990's. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Wilton wrote: Was Citation the cheap little Cadillac? If not, what was that POS called, other than POS, that is? That was the Cimarron. It was not based on the J Body Cavalier - not the Citation. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I wrote: That was the Cimarron. It was not based on the J Body Cavalier - not the Citation. I meant it WAS based on the J body which is a Cavalier not the citation. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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At Mecum Auction in Monterey a red 1957 Cadillac Biarritz convertible sold for way over $100K. It was basically a restored museum piece. On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote: I wrote: That was the Cimarron. It was not based on the J Body Cavalier - not the Citation. I meant it WAS based on the J body which is a Cavalier not the citation. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 10:48 AM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: At Mecum Auction in Monterey a red 1957 Cadillac Biarritz convertible sold for way over $100K. It was basically a restored museum piece. So in 2041 a restored '87 Cimmaron will be worth $100,000 adjusted for inflation? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I also suggest it is not a fair comparison as I suspect that Mercedes generally get better care than GM products that are considered to be throw away items. However, I also think that the newere north american vehicles do stand up better than the older ones did. My 10 year old F150 has 150K miles on it now and shows no real signs of aging so far. I do not know much about its early life as it had 90K miles on it when I bought it. I have been reasonably good to it but I don't know how well the original owner treated it. Randy On 22/08/2011 8:54 AM, Donald Snook wrote: Peter wrote: I've heard that GM finally learned not to make cars form junkyard parts, but I'll believe it when I see one 25 years old with 300,000 miles on it working well with minimal mechanicing, like my Benz. I had just under 300,000 miles on my 1984 Oldsmobile Delta 88 when I sold it in 1999. So, that's 15 years. I suspect, if you wait until 2013, you will find 1988 model Oldsmobiles, Pontiacs, Chevy's, and Buicks that have 300,000 miles, are 25 years old and work well. 1988 was a watershed year for GM because of the 3800 engine. GM cars begin to improve dramatically starting in 1988 and continuing through the 1990's. Donald H. Snook ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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When I was in college a friend had one of the most disreputable looking Citations ever all bondo, rust and grey primer. One time it wouldn't run so I went over to help. When I pulled out the spark plugs the electrodes were GONE, missing, not present at all. He said it had been Starting hard but passed it off as a POS car. Of course being in college we had no money so we headed to a local junkyard which had a yard full of Citations. We told our sob story and asked him how much our $5 would get us. He laughed and told us to take anything we wanted. We pulled about 20 sparkplugs plus caps/rotors/plug wires, plus some other bits and bobs and headed home. Some time with emery paper and wire brushes got 4 pretty nice looking plugs and some time sorting got the 4 best wires plus a good enough cap and rotor. Car fired right up and ran fine After that semester my friend decided he was going to leave school and work. Soon after he bought a new Saturn and GAVE me the Citation. Being that it used less fuel than my S15 I decided to commute with the little car which worked out fine until the last day of the summer. I had to wait to make the left turn into my parent's driveway and when I stepped on the gas the engine revved WAY up and the auto trans EXPLODED out through the pan all over the road. The red spot stayed on the pavement 5 years until they repaved. The junk man gave me $20 for it. I figured on the whole I was up around $100 I'd saved in fuel considering other than the initial tuneup I'd never done anything other than put fuel in it. -Curt Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 00:32:47 -0400 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Citation Message-ID: 4e4f38ef.4050...@voyager.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed relng...@aol.com wrote: You, sir, are a masochist. In 1985, there was no such thing as a $500 300SD, so I made do with what I could afford. Considering I paid $435 for it in 1985 and put about 64,000 miles on it in the next four years, I don't see how I could have done better. When I lived 36 miles from work, it used less than two gallons of gas a day. In those miles, I replaced the alternator (warranty, it was a rebuild that the original owner bought a month before it failed), outer CV boots, rear shocks, front and rear brakes, rebuilt the carb, during which I figured out the real problem was a leaky choke pull-off solenoid, radiator, Hella headlights (huge improvement), rebuilt the starter, replaced the clutch cable adjuster, replaced the muffler and had to tear into the tranny at 180k because a bolt fell out of the shift interlock giving me a handful of neutrals. (that was when I replaced the clutch, it still worked but was 90% gone) Except for the transmission failure, nothing I'd fault the car for. Except for the brakes, it had 80-90% of the performance of my Saab 99EMS, at a sticker price about half the Saab's. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The only thing really wrong with those cars was the GM tendency to make junk parts and cheat on everything. The sheetmetat was crap, the plastic parts weren't made right (and the managers at the production plants lied about it) quality control was about par with a Soviet factory, etc. The design wasn't too bad, they got decent milage, and if not made from trash they'd have been decent cars for 1980. I've heard that GM finally learned not to make cars form junkyard parts, but I'll believe it when I see one 25 years old with 300,000 miles on it working well with minimal mechanicing, like my Benz. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net writes: I've heard that GM finally learned not to make cars form junkyard parts, but I'll believe it when I see one 25 years old with 300,000 miles on it working well with minimal mechanicing, like my Benz. I'm not sure I believe that GM is there yet. I think Ford is a lot closer. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Definitely. My 2004 Focus ZXW wagon is at 142,000 right now. No rattles, noises or any sort of troubles, other than a rear wheel bearing that was my fault for curbing the wheel. Just got back from the dealer for a The Works visit ($32.00) with a clean bill of health. I fully expect to drive this car to 200k before I pass it on to my youngsters or sell it. I think my next vehicle will be an Escape. And yes, I would love to buy a decent MB, but they're just not in my budget range right now. At least not one that would require minimal work and/or upkeep. I simply don't have the time to tinker with a car these days, and the insurance costs here make owning a second car prohibitive. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 20, 2011, at 1:09 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net writes: I've heard that GM finally learned not to make cars form junkyard parts, but I'll believe it when I see one 25 years old with 300,000 miles on it working well with minimal mechanicing, like my Benz. I'm not sure I believe that GM is there yet. I think Ford is a lot closer. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Was Citation the cheap little Cadillac? If not, what was that POS called, other than POS, that is? Wilton - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Citation The only thing really wrong with those cars was the GM tendency to make junk parts and cheat on everything. The sheetmetat was crap, the plastic parts weren't made right (and the managers at the production plants lied about it) quality control was about par with a Soviet factory, etc. The design wasn't too bad, they got decent milage, and if not made from trash they'd have been decent cars for 1980. I've heard that GM finally learned not to make cars form junkyard parts, but I'll believe it when I see one 25 years old with 300,000 miles on it working well with minimal mechanicing, like my Benz. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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WILTON wrote: Was Citation the cheap little Cadillac? If not, what was that POS called, other than POS, that is? Cavalier, I mean Cimarron. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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WILTON wrote: Was Citation the cheap little Cadillac? If not, what was that POS called, other than POS, that is? Oh, and the Citation/Omega/Phoenix/Skylark was the 1980 FWD replacement for the old RWD Nova/Omega/Phoenix/Skylark. My dad had a 1977 Nova that he sold at about 150,000 miles as a good running, decent looking car. Got about 22mpg. 250 six, three on the tree. Pinged a bit and dieseled like crazy if you put regular unleaded in it. Ran fine on premium unleaded. I had a pre-owned 1980 Citation that I drove to the junkyard at about 210,000 miles. I think I got $20 and kept the wheels, battery and headlights. Looking back on it, I probably got took when I sold it. Got about 38mpg, and was lighter/quicker/much better handling than the Nova. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yep, Cimarron, I remembered that 'bout 5 min ago. Thanks. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Citation WILTON wrote: Was Citation the cheap little Cadillac? If not, what was that POS called, other than POS, that is? Cavalier, I mean Cimarron. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My Nova story: Summer of 1977, we lived at George AFB, Victorville, CA. 20-year-old daughter had just finished her sophomore year at East Carolina U, Greenville, NC. She called and said she and a friend, another mighty fine-looking, 20-year-old blonde, were driving friend's new car all the way across the country to see us for a few days. Late morning of the expected arrival date, SWMBO called to tell me that the young ladies had arrived. Imagine my surprise and concern for their return trip to NC when I turned the corner onto my street and saw a Nova sitting in front of the house. I never let them know about my worry, and they made it back to their school O K in spite of the 3000-mile distance; well, if they had any problem getting back, I never heard about it, anyway. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Citation WILTON wrote: Was Citation the cheap little Cadillac? If not, what was that POS called, other than POS, that is? Oh, and the Citation/Omega/Phoenix/Skylark was the 1980 FWD replacement for the old RWD Nova/Omega/Phoenix/Skylark. My dad had a 1977 Nova that he sold at about 150,000 miles as a good running, decent looking car. Got about 22mpg. 250 six, three on the tree. Pinged a bit and dieseled like crazy if you put regular unleaded in it. Ran fine on premium unleaded. I had a pre-owned 1980 Citation that I drove to the junkyard at about 210,000 miles. I think I got $20 and kept the wheels, battery and headlights. Looking back on it, I probably got took when I sold it. Got about 38mpg, and was lighter/quicker/much better handling than the Nova. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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If you remember the Cimarron, you'll enjoy this: http://mars.superlink.net/~rriegler/sml/ Dan From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Citation Yep, Cimarron, I remembered that 'bout 5 min ago. Thanks. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Citation WILTON wrote: Was Citation the cheap little Cadillac? If not, what was that POS called, other than POS, that is? Cavalier, I mean Cimarron. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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awesomeness --R On 8/20/11 5:57 PM, LWB250 wrote: If you remember the Cimarron, you'll enjoy this: http://mars.superlink.net/~rriegler/sml/ Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Pictures please. --R On 8/20/11 5:47 PM, WILTON wrote: She called and said she and a friend, another mighty fine-looking, 20-year-old blonde, ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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!977 was a horrible year for new car emissions/driveability, unless you bought something inherently clean, like a Saab 99 (just a little passive air injection in the exhaust headers) or CVCC Honda. That said, the Chevy 250, 305, and 350 were all very solid engines in 1977, same for the THM350 transmission. Unless they had a major electrical failure or the drivetrain fell out of the car, they were going to make it home. The car might run lean and stumble, but it wasn't going to just quit in the first year of its life. (I think Dad's Nova was 11-12 years old when he sold it, and the only electrical failure that car ever had was when a side terminal fell out of the aftermarket replacement battery in 1985. By the time it was five years old it had gone through a couple sets of shocks and broken the leaf springs in the back, but the parts that actually moved it down the road were pretty solid. Mitch. WILTON wrote: My Nova story: Summer of 1977, we lived at George AFB, Victorville, CA. 20-year-old daughter had just finished her sophomore year at East Carolina U, Greenville, NC. She called and said she and a friend, another mighty fine-looking, 20-year-old blonde, were driving friend's new car all the way across the country to see us for a few days. Late morning of the expected arrival date, SWMBO called to tell me that the young ladies had arrived. Imagine my surprise and concern for their return trip to NC when I turned the corner onto my street and saw a Nova sitting in front of the house. I never let them know about my worry, and they made it back to their school O K in spite of the 3000-mile distance; well, if they had any problem getting back, I never heard about it, anyway. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Uh-oh, Kaleb is listed on their resource page... Max -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: awesomeness --R On 8/20/11 5:57 PM, LWB250 wrote: If you remember the Cimarron, you'll enjoy this: http://mars.superlink.net/~rriegler/sml/ Dan _ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The blondes or the Vega? ; The blondes are still doing and looking fine at 54 (though a little heavier); seriously doubt that the Vega is. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Citation Pictures please. --R On 8/20/11 5:47 PM, WILTON wrote: She called and said she and a friend, another mighty fine-looking, 20-year-old blonde, ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Oh, I really messed it up! I meant VEGA, VEGA! Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Citation !977 was a horrible year for new car emissions/driveability, unless you bought something inherently clean, like a Saab 99 (just a little passive air injection in the exhaust headers) or CVCC Honda. That said, the Chevy 250, 305, and 350 were all very solid engines in 1977, same for the THM350 transmission. Unless they had a major electrical failure or the drivetrain fell out of the car, they were going to make it home. The car might run lean and stumble, but it wasn't going to just quit in the first year of its life. (I think Dad's Nova was 11-12 years old when he sold it, and the only electrical failure that car ever had was when a side terminal fell out of the aftermarket replacement battery in 1985. By the time it was five years old it had gone through a couple sets of shocks and broken the leaf springs in the back, but the parts that actually moved it down the road were pretty solid. Mitch. WILTON wrote: My Nova story: Summer of 1977, we lived at George AFB, Victorville, CA. 20-year-old daughter had just finished her sophomore year at East Carolina U, Greenville, NC. She called and said she and a friend, another mighty fine-looking, 20-year-old blonde, were driving friend's new car all the way across the country to see us for a few days. Late morning of the expected arrival date, SWMBO called to tell me that the young ladies had arrived. Imagine my surprise and concern for their return trip to NC when I turned the corner onto my street and saw a Nova sitting in front of the house. I never let them know about my worry, and they made it back to their school O K in spite of the 3000-mile distance; well, if they had any problem getting back, I never heard about it, anyway. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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WILTON wrote: Oh, I really messed it up! I meant VEGA, VEGA! I believe the 1977 Vega had the 2.5L Iron Duke engine that was still going strong in my 210kmi Citation. Still not as solid a car/drivetrain as a Nova though. Most of the earlier aluminum engine Vegas did OK until the first time they overheated. Unfortunately for my brother, the first time he badly overheated his 1973 Vega GT was in the summer of 1973. He arrived at our house with a radiator full of beer, being the only liquid he had with him in quantity when it boiled over. It was a 'fill the oil and check the gas' car for the remainder of its none too long life. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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...Had one of the first ones, 4 cylinder, 4 speed, five door, F41 suspension. Back seat folded flush with the trunk floor just like a Saab Wagonback. Best little truck I ever owned, and the first car I owned past 200,000 miles... You, sir, are a masochist. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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relng...@aol.com wrote: You, sir, are a masochist. In 1985, there was no such thing as a $500 300SD, so I made do with what I could afford. Considering I paid $435 for it in 1985 and put about 64,000 miles on it in the next four years, I don't see how I could have done better. When I lived 36 miles from work, it used less than two gallons of gas a day. In those miles, I replaced the alternator (warranty, it was a rebuild that the original owner bought a month before it failed), outer CV boots, rear shocks, front and rear brakes, rebuilt the carb, during which I figured out the real problem was a leaky choke pull-off solenoid, radiator, Hella headlights (huge improvement), rebuilt the starter, replaced the clutch cable adjuster, replaced the muffler and had to tear into the tranny at 180k because a bolt fell out of the shift interlock giving me a handful of neutrals. (that was when I replaced the clutch, it still worked but was 90% gone) Except for the transmission failure, nothing I'd fault the car for. Except for the brakes, it had 80-90% of the performance of my Saab 99EMS, at a sticker price about half the Saab's. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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'Thought it crashed (overran runway) on landing - downwind. 'Bet the engine got a good splashing, though - too far forward in the engine for water injection. ;- Wilton - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 12:08 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Citation bye bye ...Was it idling and something caused it to spool up while unattended, or did it start the starboard engine all by itself? I was sure it would ingest water and spit out a bunch of turbine blades, but nothing that spectacular happened... Wet electronics. And the engine inlet was well above the water. RLE ** New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News amp; more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew0002) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Wilton Strickland wrote: 'Thought it crashed (overran runway) on landing - downwind. 'Bet the engine got a good splashing, though - too far forward in the engine for water injection. ;- But, after the crash, after they got everybody off the plane, at least one engine loudly spooled up and the plane started slowly going in circles in the river. The video is worth watching. It starts out with something like, hey, watch this nutcase, it looks like he's trying to land that jet downwind Wow, he made it No, I think he went off let's go see. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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WOW! I didn't see the part with the spoolup. 'Guesss I cut it too soon. I've lost the link. Anybody have it? Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Citation bye bye Wilton Strickland wrote: 'Thought it crashed (overran runway) on landing - downwind. 'Bet the engine got a good splashing, though - too far forward in the engine for water injection. ;- But, after the crash, after they got everybody off the plane, at least one engine loudly spooled up and the plane started slowly going in circles in the river. The video is worth watching. It starts out with something like, hey, watch this nutcase, it looks like he's trying to land that jet downwind Wow, he made it No, I think he went off let's go see. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Wilton Strickland wrote: WOW! I didn't see the part with the spoolup. 'Guesss I cut it too soon. I've lost the link. Anybody have it? I think it was about six minutes in. http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20050515-0 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Damn Thanks. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Citation bye bye Wilton Strickland wrote: WOW! I didn't see the part with the spoolup. 'Guesss I cut it too soon. I've lost the link. Anybody have it? I think it was about six minutes in. http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20050515-0 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That was something else. Glad I watched the whole thing this time. Wonder why it would start spooling up on its own? Wilton Strickland wrote: Damn Thanks. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Citation bye bye Wilton Strickland wrote: WOW! I didn't see the part with the spoolup. 'Guesss I cut it too soon. I've lost the link. Anybody have it? I think it was about six minutes in. http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20050515-0 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1739 - Release Date: 10/22/2008 7:23 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Surprised pilot didn't go to CUTOFF as it went off the end, 'course he was still trying to stop. Wilton - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Citation bye bye That was something else. Glad I watched the whole thing this time. Wonder why it would start spooling up on its own? Wilton Strickland wrote: Damn Thanks. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Citation bye bye Wilton Strickland wrote: WOW! I didn't see the part with the spoolup. 'Guesss I cut it too soon. I've lost the link. Anybody have it? I think it was about six minutes in. http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20050515-0 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1739 - Release Date: 10/22/2008 7:23 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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If it were me and I saw I was not going to get stopped, I would have reset the flaps and gone back to full power to try and pull back up before landing in the water. Probably not enough time though. Wilton Strickland wrote: Surprised pilot didn't go to CUTOFF as it went off the end, 'course he was still trying to stop. Wilton - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Citation bye bye That was something else. Glad I watched the whole thing this time. Wonder why it would start spooling up on its own? Wilton Strickland wrote: Damn Thanks. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Citation bye bye Wilton Strickland wrote: WOW! I didn't see the part with the spoolup. 'Guesss I cut it too soon. I've lost the link. Anybody have it? I think it was about six minutes in. http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20050515-0 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1739 - Release Date: 10/22/2008 7:23 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1739 - Release Date: 10/22/2008 7:23 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My first thought, too. Wilton - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Citation bye bye If it were me and I saw I was not going to get stopped, I would have reset the flaps and gone back to full power to try and pull back up before landing in the water. Probably not enough time though. Wilton Strickland wrote: Surprised pilot didn't go to CUTOFF as it went off the end, 'course he was still trying to stop. Wilton - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Citation bye bye That was something else. Glad I watched the whole thing this time. Wonder why it would start spooling up on its own? Wilton Strickland wrote: Damn Thanks. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Citation bye bye Wilton Strickland wrote: WOW! I didn't see the part with the spoolup. 'Guesss I cut it too soon. I've lost the link. Anybody have it? I think it was about six minutes in. http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20050515-0 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1739 - Release Date: 10/22/2008 7:23 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1739 - Release Date: 10/22/2008 7:23 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Wonko, you didn't know a Citation could taxi on/in water a la SA-16, did ya? Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Citation bye bye Wilton Strickland wrote: WOW! I didn't see the part with the spoolup. 'Guesss I cut it too soon. I've lost the link. Anybody have it? I think it was about six minutes in. http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20050515-0 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Wilton, You ever make a downwind landing on purpose and successfully? I suppose it naturally would be yes when one is in battle conditions. Chuck On Oct 22, 2008, at 2:44 PM, Wilton Strickland wrote: My first thought, too. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Wilton Strickland wrote: Wonko, you didn't know a Citation could taxi on/in water a la SA-16, did ya? All you need are a pressurized cabin and high engines. Speaking of which, the electronics that went all Christine when they got wet, were they underneath the pressurized cabin area? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Chuck Landenberger wrote: Wilton, You ever make a downwind landing on purpose and successfully? Probably not on a 2900' runway with a plane that's rated for 2900' in still air and 3500' with a 10 kt tailwind. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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No, not on purpose, but I did land a Cessna 172 downwind on a grass strip on Drummond Island once, and while I was trying to stop, wondered why I was going so fast. Almost too late, I poured on the power and kept going. On crosswind checked sock and noticed that wind had shifted directions on me since my initial observation. 'Turned back and landed very nicely the RIGHT way. Wilton - Original Message - From: Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Citation bye bye Wilton, You ever make a downwind landing on purpose and successfully? I suppose it naturally would be yes when one is in battle conditions. Chuck On Oct 22, 2008, at 2:44 PM, Wilton Strickland wrote: My first thought, too. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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...Was it idling and something caused it to spool up while unattended, or did it start the starboard engine all by itself? I was sure it would ingest water and spit out a bunch of turbine blades, but nothing that spectacular happened... Wet electronics. And the engine inlet was well above the water. RLE ** New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News amp; more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew0002) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
