Re: [MBZ] Clean 300TD on BAT
The electric parking brakes in our Subaru have no automatic function - if you don't turn them on, they stay off, no matter what. If you turn them on, you HAVE to release them before you can drive the car. No, shifting into/out of gear makes no difference - they work just like manual brakes. On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 11:18 AM Craig via Mercedes wrote: > On Fri, 1 Nov 2019 11:58:58 -0400 Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes > wrote: > > > On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 11:50 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes > > wrote: > > > > > My mechanic son was telling me this morning, that the new F150's have > > > electric parking brakes that are built in to the rear calipers. He > > > thinks it is a recipe for trouble. He thinks if one plans to keep the > > > vehicle beyond the short term, one must diligently take the rear > > > calipers apart annually and make sure they are clean and well > > > lubricated. He expects these calipers to be very expensive to replace. > > > > I believe nearly all modern cars have this feature now. > > So how does this feature work? > > Are the parking brakes normally on with no electrical power (fail safe) > and then must be turned off by an electrical signal to a solenoid or some > such? > > What happens when the electrical signal or power to the electric parking > brakes fails? Are the parking brakes slammed on immediately? > > (Note: That is how the emergency/parking air brakes on heavy trucks > works. If the gladhand on the red air line comes off the trailer, the > trailer brakes are slammed on -- which is why you have seen a sudden > appearance of two pairs of black skid marks on the road and why it is > so important truckers make sure their gladhands do not come off.) > > Having trailer brakes slammed on is bad enough, what happens when the > rear brakes of a car or truck are slammed on? Would you Joe-average-driver > be able to handle the situation? > > > Craig > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clean 300TD on BAT
I think its more like a servo motor that runs the piston in and out. No power = no movement. On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 12:18 PM Craig via Mercedes wrote: > On Fri, 1 Nov 2019 11:58:58 -0400 Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes > wrote: > > > On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 11:50 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes > > wrote: > > > > > My mechanic son was telling me this morning, that the new F150's have > > > electric parking brakes that are built in to the rear calipers. He > > > thinks it is a recipe for trouble. He thinks if one plans to keep the > > > vehicle beyond the short term, one must diligently take the rear > > > calipers apart annually and make sure they are clean and well > > > lubricated. He expects these calipers to be very expensive to replace. > > > > I believe nearly all modern cars have this feature now. > > So how does this feature work? > > Are the parking brakes normally on with no electrical power (fail safe) > and then must be turned off by an electrical signal to a solenoid or some > such? > > What happens when the electrical signal or power to the electric parking > brakes fails? Are the parking brakes slammed on immediately? > > (Note: That is how the emergency/parking air brakes on heavy trucks > works. If the gladhand on the red air line comes off the trailer, the > trailer brakes are slammed on -- which is why you have seen a sudden > appearance of two pairs of black skid marks on the road and why it is > so important truckers make sure their gladhands do not come off.) > > Having trailer brakes slammed on is bad enough, what happens when the > rear brakes of a car or truck are slammed on? Would you Joe-average-driver > be able to handle the situation? > > > Craig > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clean 300TD on BAT
On Fri, 1 Nov 2019 11:58:58 -0400 Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes wrote: > On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 11:50 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes > wrote: > > > My mechanic son was telling me this morning, that the new F150's have > > electric parking brakes that are built in to the rear calipers. He > > thinks it is a recipe for trouble. He thinks if one plans to keep the > > vehicle beyond the short term, one must diligently take the rear > > calipers apart annually and make sure they are clean and well > > lubricated. He expects these calipers to be very expensive to replace. > > I believe nearly all modern cars have this feature now. So how does this feature work? Are the parking brakes normally on with no electrical power (fail safe) and then must be turned off by an electrical signal to a solenoid or some such? What happens when the electrical signal or power to the electric parking brakes fails? Are the parking brakes slammed on immediately? (Note: That is how the emergency/parking air brakes on heavy trucks works. If the gladhand on the red air line comes off the trailer, the trailer brakes are slammed on -- which is why you have seen a sudden appearance of two pairs of black skid marks on the road and why it is so important truckers make sure their gladhands do not come off.) Having trailer brakes slammed on is bad enough, what happens when the rear brakes of a car or truck are slammed on? Would you Joe-average-driver be able to handle the situation? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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This is why most people just buy a new car and make the payments. They cannot or will not do the work themselves and cars have become better but much more complicated. Many parts, if they are available have become silly expensive. Randy On 31/10/2019 7:52 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote: I just put a rebuilt 500e subframe into the 87 wagon. Everything OE except the toe links, which are nla. New half shafts from cvj reman are over $400 plus shipping. Parts for the links and new control arms are way over 600. New fasteners, axle nuts, subframe mounts, lower ball joints for the carrier, plus a $120 tool to press them in and out, a subframe mount tool, and a diff mount bushing removal set. New socket for axle nuts. New female torx socket set for the diff flange bolts. New diff mount bolts and lock nuts. New sportline springs and spring pads are hundreds of dollars. Swaybar links. The original sls shocks were done - bad ball joints at the bottom and leaking; they were about 1300 for the parts alone. I had previously put rebuilt aluminum brembo 500e front and 300mm 600sl rear vented calipers, rotors, brake lines and r4 pads on, which was must have been $1000 in the end without labor, including new master cyl, brake fluid, brake bleeder, dual diaphragm booster, etc. No more than the rebuilt OE stuff, actually, in terms of price. I even got OE diff mounts from overseas as they are backordered for the v8 cars. Rear wheel bearings had already been done thankfully, so I didnt have to buy that tool or tackle the job, but I would have if they had not been done. Necessary? For peace of mind, yes. What is that worth? OE door seals for the car are over a grand alone. Multifunction stalk switch. Ignition tumbler. Over 100 each oe, excluding labor. New headlights (old plastic housing tabs had broken off), magnetti marelli, euro style, 450. No labor included. New dash was $250 and a lot of labor, with all the hvac pods at hundreds of dollars, new climate control unit, evap, compressor, dryer, hoses. Swapped a black leather interior in; 800 for the donor 95 wagon. Imagine paying that labor in DC or any other major city. You can argue that none of it needed to be done, but when the subframe starts banging on the underside of the car taking off from stoplights, and the ball joints on the shocks are creaking, it is time. And after pulling the subframe out, there is no way I am putting it back with any old stuff on it. I am not driving a car with a cracked dash, creaky suspension or a subframe that provides automatic 4 wheel steering. The ignition tumbler has to work well, the brakes have to be brakey, and it should steer like new. This doesnt include the 500sl junkyard diff and side bearings and seals, plus labor. I swapped a wavetrac lsd carrier in, which was over a grand for the part. I was quoted 2700 for that job alone from Leistung. That's why it happened on my bench. My old diff was spewing metal fragments into the fluid and had far too much play. It was also 185mm rather than 210. Anyway for the 123 mentioned, the axle shafts, rebuilt steering box, and nla sls struts weren't mentioned. And the tranny sounded kind of hinky. I am at a point where I sort of want things maintained like a certified aircraft. I am not driving them and waiting for something to fail. If you want new car type performance, a lot of stuff has to be made new. For the daily drivers, I pay someone to do it. For the hobby cars I tackle it as time allows. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Well, hopefully, if they become common, the cost will go down. Randy On 01/11/2019 10:58 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes wrote: I believe nearly all modern cars have this feature now. On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 11:50 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: On 31/10/2019 9:42 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: And for $500 a month, pretty much for the rest of your life, all you get is a succession of electronic toys that may or may not last as long as the payments.The Smoke WILL come out. The only question is WHEN? My mechanic son was telling me this morning, that the new F150's have electric parking brakes that are built in to the rear calipers. He thinks it is a recipe for trouble. He thinks if one plans to keep the vehicle beyond the short term, one must diligently take the rear calipers apart annually and make sure they are clean and well lubricated. He expects these calipers to be very expensive to replace. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I believe nearly all modern cars have this feature now. On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 11:50 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > On 31/10/2019 9:42 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: > > And for $500 a month, pretty much for the rest of your life, all you > > get is a succession of electronic toys that may or may not last as > > long as the payments.The Smoke WILL come out. The only question > > is WHEN? > > > My mechanic son was telling me this morning, that the new F150's have > electric parking brakes that are built in to the rear calipers. He > thinks it is a recipe for trouble. He thinks if one plans to keep the > vehicle beyond the short term, one must diligently take the rear > calipers apart annually and make sure they are clean and well > lubricated. He expects these calipers to be very expensive to replace. > > Randy > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I've been sorta shopping for a new truck, the tin worm is getting into ours, and I noticed that lots of them have that now. Our 2010 RAM doesn't but the 2015s do. I'm also skeptical of them on the one hand but on the other hand you don't have a 10+ foot long cable to seize up... -Curt On Friday, November 1, 2019, 11:50:15 AM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: On 31/10/2019 9:42 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: > And for $500 a month, pretty much for the rest of your life, all you > get is a succession of electronic toys that may or may not last as > long as the payments. The Smoke WILL come out. The only question > is WHEN? My mechanic son was telling me this morning, that the new F150's have electric parking brakes that are built in to the rear calipers. He thinks it is a recipe for trouble. He thinks if one plans to keep the vehicle beyond the short term, one must diligently take the rear calipers apart annually and make sure they are clean and well lubricated. He expects these calipers to be very expensive to replace. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clean 300TD on BAT
On 31/10/2019 9:42 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: And for $500 a month, pretty much for the rest of your life, all you get is a succession of electronic toys that may or may not last as long as the payments. The Smoke WILL come out. The only question is WHEN? My mechanic son was telling me this morning, that the new F150's have electric parking brakes that are built in to the rear calipers. He thinks it is a recipe for trouble. He thinks if one plans to keep the vehicle beyond the short term, one must diligently take the rear calipers apart annually and make sure they are clean and well lubricated. He expects these calipers to be very expensive to replace. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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So which magazine will have the full story and the centerfold spread? I'll let you know next time I get out that way, I would love to see the car. Max Dillon Charleston SC Thu Oct 31 20:53:07 EDT 2019 Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes : > I just put a rebuilt 500e subframe into the 87 wagon. Everything OE except > the toe links, which are nla. New half shafts from cvj reman are over $400 > plus > shipping. Parts for the links and new control arms are way over 600. New > fasteners, axle nuts, subframe mounts, lower ball joints for the carrier, > plus a $120 tool to press them in and out, a subframe mount tool, and a > diff mount bushing removal set. New socket for axle nuts. New female torx > socket set for the diff flange bolts. New diff mount bolts and lock nuts. > New sportline springs and spring pads are hundreds of dollars. Swaybar > links. The original sls shocks were done - bad ball joints at the bottom > and leaking; they were about 1300 for the parts alone. I had previously put > rebuilt aluminum brembo 500e front and 300mm 600sl rear vented calipers, > rotors, brake lines and r4 pads on, which was must have been $1000 in the > end without labor, including new master cyl, brake fluid, brake bleeder, > dual diaphragm booster, etc. No more than the rebuilt OE stuff, actually, > in terms of price. > I even got OE diff mounts from overseas as they are backordered for the v8 > cars. Rear wheel bearings had already been done thankfully, so I didnt have > to buy that tool or tackle the job, but I would have if they had not been > done. Necessary? For peace of mind, yes. What is that worth? > > OE door seals for the car are over a grand alone. > > Multifunction stalk switch. Ignition tumbler. Over 100 each oe, excluding > labor. > > New headlights (old plastic housing tabs had broken off), magnetti marelli, > euro style, 450. No labor included. > > New dash was $250 and a lot of labor, with all the hvac pods at hundreds of > dollars, new climate control unit, evap, compressor, dryer, hoses. > > Swapped a black leather interior in; 800 for the donor 95 wagon. Imagine > paying that labor in DC or any other major city. > > You can argue that none of it needed to be done, but when the subframe > starts banging on the underside of the car taking off from stoplights, and > the ball joints on the shocks are creaking, it is time. And after pulling > the subframe out, there is no way I am putting it back with any old stuff > on it. I am not driving a car with a cracked dash, creaky suspension or a > subframe that provides automatic 4 wheel steering. The ignition tumbler has > to work well, the brakes have to be brakey, and it should steer like new. > > This doesnt include the 500sl junkyard diff and side bearings and seals, > plus labor. I swapped a wavetrac lsd carrier in, which was over a grand for > the part. I was quoted 2700 for that job alone from Leistung. That's why it > happened on my bench. My old diff was spewing metal fragments into the > fluid and had far too much play. It was also 185mm rather than 210. > > Anyway for the 123 mentioned, the axle shafts, rebuilt steering box, and > nla sls struts weren't mentioned. And the tranny sounded kind of hinky. > > I am at a point where I sort of want things maintained like a certified > aircraft. I am not driving them and waiting for something to fail. If you > want new car type performance, a lot of stuff has to be made new. For the > daily drivers, I pay someone to do it. For the hobby cars I tackle it as > time allows. > > > > On Wed, Oct 30, 2019, 6:21 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > >> Having done the 124 300D rear subframe piecemeal, several times, I have >> to agree with Jaime. I did the rear of the 81 240D all at once. That >> is a FAR superior way to do it. In the end, the last 2 times I did the >> rear of 124s, I did it all at once. I won't do piecemeal anymore, >> unless it is a short term emergency. >> >> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote on 10/30/19 3:13 PM: >> >>> Sure. If I had won the auction I would probably drive it and repair >>> >> issues >> >>> on a piecemeal basis, as symptoms are observed. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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And for $500 a month, pretty much for the rest of your life, all you get is a succession of electronic toys that may or may not last as long as the payments. The Smoke WILL come out. The only question is WHEN? Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote on 10/31/19 9:35 PM: Yes. Say on. Dwight Giles Jr. Wickford RI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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>I am not driving them and waiting for something to fail. If you want new car >type performance, a lot of stuff has to be made new. Yep. The average new car payment is over $500 a month. That will buy a LOT of parts (and labor, if needed). Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yes. Say on. Dwight Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Thu, Oct 31, 2019, 10:34 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >I am not driving them and waiting for something to fail. If you want new > car type performance, a lot of stuff has to be made new. > > Yep. The average new car payment is over $500 a month. That will buy a LOT > of parts (and labor, if needed). > > Rick > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clean 300TD on BAT
I just put a rebuilt 500e subframe into the 87 wagon. Everything OE except the toe links, which are nla. New half shafts from cvj reman are over $400 plus shipping. Parts for the links and new control arms are way over 600. New fasteners, axle nuts, subframe mounts, lower ball joints for the carrier, plus a $120 tool to press them in and out, a subframe mount tool, and a diff mount bushing removal set. New socket for axle nuts. New female torx socket set for the diff flange bolts. New diff mount bolts and lock nuts. New sportline springs and spring pads are hundreds of dollars. Swaybar links. The original sls shocks were done - bad ball joints at the bottom and leaking; they were about 1300 for the parts alone. I had previously put rebuilt aluminum brembo 500e front and 300mm 600sl rear vented calipers, rotors, brake lines and r4 pads on, which was must have been $1000 in the end without labor, including new master cyl, brake fluid, brake bleeder, dual diaphragm booster, etc. No more than the rebuilt OE stuff, actually, in terms of price. I even got OE diff mounts from overseas as they are backordered for the v8 cars. Rear wheel bearings had already been done thankfully, so I didnt have to buy that tool or tackle the job, but I would have if they had not been done. Necessary? For peace of mind, yes. What is that worth? OE door seals for the car are over a grand alone. Multifunction stalk switch. Ignition tumbler. Over 100 each oe, excluding labor. New headlights (old plastic housing tabs had broken off), magnetti marelli, euro style, 450. No labor included. New dash was $250 and a lot of labor, with all the hvac pods at hundreds of dollars, new climate control unit, evap, compressor, dryer, hoses. Swapped a black leather interior in; 800 for the donor 95 wagon. Imagine paying that labor in DC or any other major city. You can argue that none of it needed to be done, but when the subframe starts banging on the underside of the car taking off from stoplights, and the ball joints on the shocks are creaking, it is time. And after pulling the subframe out, there is no way I am putting it back with any old stuff on it. I am not driving a car with a cracked dash, creaky suspension or a subframe that provides automatic 4 wheel steering. The ignition tumbler has to work well, the brakes have to be brakey, and it should steer like new. This doesnt include the 500sl junkyard diff and side bearings and seals, plus labor. I swapped a wavetrac lsd carrier in, which was over a grand for the part. I was quoted 2700 for that job alone from Leistung. That's why it happened on my bench. My old diff was spewing metal fragments into the fluid and had far too much play. It was also 185mm rather than 210. Anyway for the 123 mentioned, the axle shafts, rebuilt steering box, and nla sls struts weren't mentioned. And the tranny sounded kind of hinky. I am at a point where I sort of want things maintained like a certified aircraft. I am not driving them and waiting for something to fail. If you want new car type performance, a lot of stuff has to be made new. For the daily drivers, I pay someone to do it. For the hobby cars I tackle it as time allows. On Wed, Oct 30, 2019, 6:21 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Having done the 124 300D rear subframe piecemeal, several times, I have > to agree with Jaime. I did the rear of the 81 240D all at once. That > is a FAR superior way to do it. In the end, the last 2 times I did the > rear of 124s, I did it all at once. I won't do piecemeal anymore, > unless it is a short term emergency. > > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote on 10/30/19 3:13 PM: > > Sure. If I had won the auction I would probably drive it and repair > issues > > on a piecemeal basis, as symptoms are observed. > > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Oh man, for the multi-link suspensions I totally agree. Used ta be cheaper to buy all the links at once too. My last MB Indy preferred to fix things as they broke, felt weird to have to make him do it all at once. Maybe he got more $$ in labor doing them one at a time. -Curt On Wednesday, October 30, 2019, 9:21:53 PM EDT, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: Having done the 124 300D rear subframe piecemeal, several times, I have to agree with Jaime. I did the rear of the 81 240D all at once. That is a FAR superior way to do it. In the end, the last 2 times I did the rear of 124s, I did it all at once. I won't do piecemeal anymore, unless it is a short term emergency. Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote on 10/30/19 3:13 PM: > Sure. If I had won the auction I would probably drive it and repair issues > on a piecemeal basis, as symptoms are observed. > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clean 300TD on BAT
Having done the 124 300D rear subframe piecemeal, several times, I have to agree with Jaime. I did the rear of the 81 240D all at once. That is a FAR superior way to do it. In the end, the last 2 times I did the rear of 124s, I did it all at once. I won't do piecemeal anymore, unless it is a short term emergency. Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote on 10/30/19 3:13 PM: Sure. If I had won the auction I would probably drive it and repair issues on a piecemeal basis, as symptoms are observed. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Sure. If I had won the auction I would probably drive it and repair issues on a piecemeal basis, as symptoms are observed. On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 3:13 PM Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I didn't actually look too hard at the car. But as these approach 40 years > old, they need stuff. More stuff than they did 20 years ago, no doubt. > > And yes, my work is mostly with MB genuine parts, which are the only ones > that last long term for suspension. You could save by going aftermarket > for some things and take the risk, but the labor is significant. A dealer > labor rate would be much higher for all that work. > > The end result is a car which is reliable and will need have needs in the > long run. It doesn't mean the car needs all these things immediately right > now. > > Its really about the mindset you have for ownership. > > Jaime > > > On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 2:54 PM Andrew Strasfogel > wrote: > > > I'm skeptical that this particular car would need all of that. Also, > > those are dealership prices. > > > > On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 2:45 PM Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > >> Unless its been done recently, and with good quality parts, that car > will > >> need: > >> Complete rebuild of front suspension > >> Drive shaft stuff > >> Rear subframe mounts and rear suspension bits > >> All the brakes > >> All the climate control stuff, plus AC work > >> Full service, fluids, hoses, filters, etc. > >> Tires > >> > >> Thats $10k if you pay someone to do it. I'm doing it on a 240D right > now > >> for someone and thats whats its going to cost. > >> > >> BUT... when its done, the car will run reliability for many years with > >> normal maintenance. 10+ years. This is the standard that people who > have > >> money to invest in these cars expect. > >> > >> Jaime > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 10:43 AM Andrew Strasfogel < > astrasfo...@gmail.com > >> > > >> wrote: > >> > >> > Why so much? Vacuum sorting and cruise control can be easily done > >> under > >> > $1k if you are the least bit handy. > >> > > >> > On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 7:57 AM Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes < > >> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > > >> >> This is definitely the case... buyers know they're going to invest > >> more. > >> >> This car will probably need $10k in work to be well sorted again. > >> >> > >> >> Jaime > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 7:37 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes < > >> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > 10k was the answer. Seems like it was well bought, pretty rust free > >> and > >> >> > maybe a new transmission with new front ball joints etc. I suspect > >> these > >> >> > cars are going to people who wont mind spending some maintenance > >> >> dollars on > >> >> > them, which is what they will need to do. > >> >> > > >> >> > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 8:56 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > >> >> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > > Bidding > $10k, despite 200k Miles+, and inoperative CC and > vacuum > >> >> locks. > >> >> > > Otherwise, appears to have been babied. White with blue genuine > >> >> leather > >> >> > > seats. Where will this end? > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> > https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1982-mercedes-benz-300td-turbo-16/?utm_source=dailymail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2019-10-29 > >> >> > > ___ > >> >> > > http://www.okiebenz.com > >> >> > > > >> >> > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> >> > > > >> >> > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> >> > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > ___ > >> >> > http://www.okiebenz.com > >> >> > > >> >> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> >> > > >> >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> >> > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> Jaime Kopchinski > >> >> http://www.jaimekop.com/ > >> >> ___ > >> >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> >> > >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> >> > >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> >> > >> >> > >> > >> -- > >> Jaime Kopchinski > >> http://www.jaimekop.com/ > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > > -- > Jaime Kopchinski > http://www.jaimekop.com/ > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >
Re: [MBZ] Clean 300TD on BAT
I didn't actually look too hard at the car. But as these approach 40 years old, they need stuff. More stuff than they did 20 years ago, no doubt. And yes, my work is mostly with MB genuine parts, which are the only ones that last long term for suspension. You could save by going aftermarket for some things and take the risk, but the labor is significant. A dealer labor rate would be much higher for all that work. The end result is a car which is reliable and will need have needs in the long run. It doesn't mean the car needs all these things immediately right now. Its really about the mindset you have for ownership. Jaime On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 2:54 PM Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > I'm skeptical that this particular car would need all of that. Also, > those are dealership prices. > > On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 2:45 PM Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> Unless its been done recently, and with good quality parts, that car will >> need: >> Complete rebuild of front suspension >> Drive shaft stuff >> Rear subframe mounts and rear suspension bits >> All the brakes >> All the climate control stuff, plus AC work >> Full service, fluids, hoses, filters, etc. >> Tires >> >> Thats $10k if you pay someone to do it. I'm doing it on a 240D right now >> for someone and thats whats its going to cost. >> >> BUT... when its done, the car will run reliability for many years with >> normal maintenance. 10+ years. This is the standard that people who have >> money to invest in these cars expect. >> >> Jaime >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 10:43 AM Andrew Strasfogel > > >> wrote: >> >> > Why so much? Vacuum sorting and cruise control can be easily done >> under >> > $1k if you are the least bit handy. >> > >> > On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 7:57 AM Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes < >> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> > >> >> This is definitely the case... buyers know they're going to invest >> more. >> >> This car will probably need $10k in work to be well sorted again. >> >> >> >> Jaime >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 7:37 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes < >> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> > 10k was the answer. Seems like it was well bought, pretty rust free >> and >> >> > maybe a new transmission with new front ball joints etc. I suspect >> these >> >> > cars are going to people who wont mind spending some maintenance >> >> dollars on >> >> > them, which is what they will need to do. >> >> > >> >> > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 8:56 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < >> >> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > > Bidding > $10k, despite 200k Miles+, and inoperative CC and vacuum >> >> locks. >> >> > > Otherwise, appears to have been babied. White with blue genuine >> >> leather >> >> > > seats. Where will this end? >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> >> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1982-mercedes-benz-300td-turbo-16/?utm_source=dailymail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2019-10-29 >> >> > > ___ >> >> > > http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> > > >> >> > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> > > >> >> > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> >> > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > ___ >> >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> > >> >> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> > >> >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> >> > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Jaime Kopchinski >> >> http://www.jaimekop.com/ >> >> ___ >> >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Jaime Kopchinski >> http://www.jaimekop.com/ >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clean 300TD on BAT
On 30/10/2019 1:44 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes wrote: Unless its been done recently, and with good quality parts, that car will need: Complete rebuild of front suspension Drive shaft stuff Rear subframe mounts and rear suspension bits All the brakes All the climate control stuff, plus AC work Full service, fluids, hoses, filters, etc. Tires Thats $10k if you pay someone to do it. I'm doing it on a 240D right now for someone and thats whats its going to cost. BUT... when its done, the car will run reliability for many years with normal maintenance. 10+ years. This is the standard that people who have money to invest in these cars expect. Jaime And the sort of thing that most of us would do on a piece meal basis over time as we had time and money and the needs became more obvious. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I'm skeptical that this particular car would need all of that. Also, those are dealership prices. On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 2:45 PM Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Unless its been done recently, and with good quality parts, that car will > need: > Complete rebuild of front suspension > Drive shaft stuff > Rear subframe mounts and rear suspension bits > All the brakes > All the climate control stuff, plus AC work > Full service, fluids, hoses, filters, etc. > Tires > > Thats $10k if you pay someone to do it. I'm doing it on a 240D right now > for someone and thats whats its going to cost. > > BUT... when its done, the car will run reliability for many years with > normal maintenance. 10+ years. This is the standard that people who have > money to invest in these cars expect. > > Jaime > > > On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 10:43 AM Andrew Strasfogel > wrote: > > > Why so much? Vacuum sorting and cruise control can be easily done under > > $1k if you are the least bit handy. > > > > On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 7:57 AM Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > >> This is definitely the case... buyers know they're going to invest more. > >> This car will probably need $10k in work to be well sorted again. > >> > >> Jaime > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 7:37 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> > 10k was the answer. Seems like it was well bought, pretty rust free > and > >> > maybe a new transmission with new front ball joints etc. I suspect > these > >> > cars are going to people who wont mind spending some maintenance > >> dollars on > >> > them, which is what they will need to do. > >> > > >> > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 8:56 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > >> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > > Bidding > $10k, despite 200k Miles+, and inoperative CC and vacuum > >> locks. > >> > > Otherwise, appears to have been babied. White with blue genuine > >> leather > >> > > seats. Where will this end? > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1982-mercedes-benz-300td-turbo-16/?utm_source=dailymail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2019-10-29 > >> > > ___ > >> > > http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > > > >> > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > > > >> > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > > >> > > > >> > ___ > >> > http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > > >> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > >> > > >> > >> -- > >> Jaime Kopchinski > >> http://www.jaimekop.com/ > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > > -- > Jaime Kopchinski > http://www.jaimekop.com/ > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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No disrespect, but I strongly disagree. It would be super challenging to spend $10k on a clean 300TD wagon not needing a repaint, transmission, or engine replacement. On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 2:37 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Suffice it to say I think Jaime's standards are a bit more particular than > yours Andrew. Only guessing of course... > > > On Wed, Oct 30, 2019, 7:44 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > Why so much? Vacuum sorting and cruise control can be easily done under > > $1k if you are the least bit handy. > > > > On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 7:57 AM Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > This is definitely the case... buyers know they're going to invest > more. > > > This car will probably need $10k in work to be well sorted again. > > > > > > Jaime > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 7:37 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes < > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > > 10k was the answer. Seems like it was well bought, pretty rust free > and > > > > maybe a new transmission with new front ball joints etc. I suspect > > these > > > > cars are going to people who wont mind spending some maintenance > > dollars > > > on > > > > them, which is what they will need to do. > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 8:56 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Bidding > $10k, despite 200k Miles+, and inoperative CC and vacuum > > > locks. > > > > > Otherwise, appears to have been babied. White with blue genuine > > > leather > > > > > seats. Where will this end? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1982-mercedes-benz-300td-turbo-16/?utm_source=dailymail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2019-10-29 > > > > > ___ > > > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Jaime Kopchinski > > > http://www.jaimekop.com/ > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clean 300TD on BAT
Unless its been done recently, and with good quality parts, that car will need: Complete rebuild of front suspension Drive shaft stuff Rear subframe mounts and rear suspension bits All the brakes All the climate control stuff, plus AC work Full service, fluids, hoses, filters, etc. Tires Thats $10k if you pay someone to do it. I'm doing it on a 240D right now for someone and thats whats its going to cost. BUT... when its done, the car will run reliability for many years with normal maintenance. 10+ years. This is the standard that people who have money to invest in these cars expect. Jaime On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 10:43 AM Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > Why so much? Vacuum sorting and cruise control can be easily done under > $1k if you are the least bit handy. > > On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 7:57 AM Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> This is definitely the case... buyers know they're going to invest more. >> This car will probably need $10k in work to be well sorted again. >> >> Jaime >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 7:37 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> > 10k was the answer. Seems like it was well bought, pretty rust free and >> > maybe a new transmission with new front ball joints etc. I suspect these >> > cars are going to people who wont mind spending some maintenance >> dollars on >> > them, which is what they will need to do. >> > >> > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 8:56 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < >> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> > >> > > Bidding > $10k, despite 200k Miles+, and inoperative CC and vacuum >> locks. >> > > Otherwise, appears to have been babied. White with blue genuine >> leather >> > > seats. Where will this end? >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1982-mercedes-benz-300td-turbo-16/?utm_source=dailymail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2019-10-29 >> > > ___ >> > > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > > >> > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> > > >> > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > >> > > >> > ___ >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > >> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > >> > >> >> -- >> Jaime Kopchinski >> http://www.jaimekop.com/ >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Suffice it to say I think Jaime's standards are a bit more particular than yours Andrew. Only guessing of course... On Wed, Oct 30, 2019, 7:44 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Why so much? Vacuum sorting and cruise control can be easily done under > $1k if you are the least bit handy. > > On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 7:57 AM Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > This is definitely the case... buyers know they're going to invest more. > > This car will probably need $10k in work to be well sorted again. > > > > Jaime > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 7:37 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > 10k was the answer. Seems like it was well bought, pretty rust free and > > > maybe a new transmission with new front ball joints etc. I suspect > these > > > cars are going to people who wont mind spending some maintenance > dollars > > on > > > them, which is what they will need to do. > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 8:56 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Bidding > $10k, despite 200k Miles+, and inoperative CC and vacuum > > locks. > > > > Otherwise, appears to have been babied. White with blue genuine > > leather > > > > seats. Where will this end? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1982-mercedes-benz-300td-turbo-16/?utm_source=dailymail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2019-10-29 > > > > ___ > > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Jaime Kopchinski > > http://www.jaimekop.com/ > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I guess that makes me Above Average. On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 12:14 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Randy Bennell via Mercedes writes: > > > On 30/10/2019 9:43 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > >> Why so much? Vacuum sorting and cruise control can be easily done > under > >> $1k if you are the least bit handy. > >> > > Most people are not handy. > > And the number who are is declining. If you can't do it on your phone, > they don't even know where to start. > > Allan > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clean 300TD on BAT
Randy Bennell via Mercedes writes: > On 30/10/2019 9:43 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: >> Why so much? Vacuum sorting and cruise control can be easily done under >> $1k if you are the least bit handy. >> > Most people are not handy. And the number who are is declining. If you can't do it on your phone, they don't even know where to start. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 30/10/2019 9:43 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Why so much? Vacuum sorting and cruise control can be easily done under $1k if you are the least bit handy. Most people are not handy. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clean 300TD on BAT
Why so much? Vacuum sorting and cruise control can be easily done under $1k if you are the least bit handy. On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 7:57 AM Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > This is definitely the case... buyers know they're going to invest more. > This car will probably need $10k in work to be well sorted again. > > Jaime > > > On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 7:37 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > 10k was the answer. Seems like it was well bought, pretty rust free and > > maybe a new transmission with new front ball joints etc. I suspect these > > cars are going to people who wont mind spending some maintenance dollars > on > > them, which is what they will need to do. > > > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 8:56 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > Bidding > $10k, despite 200k Miles+, and inoperative CC and vacuum > locks. > > > Otherwise, appears to have been babied. White with blue genuine > leather > > > seats. Where will this end? > > > > > > > > > > > > https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1982-mercedes-benz-300td-turbo-16/?utm_source=dailymail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2019-10-29 > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > -- > Jaime Kopchinski > http://www.jaimekop.com/ > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clean 300TD on BAT
This is definitely the case... buyers know they're going to invest more. This car will probably need $10k in work to be well sorted again. Jaime On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 7:37 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > 10k was the answer. Seems like it was well bought, pretty rust free and > maybe a new transmission with new front ball joints etc. I suspect these > cars are going to people who wont mind spending some maintenance dollars on > them, which is what they will need to do. > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 8:56 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > Bidding > $10k, despite 200k Miles+, and inoperative CC and vacuum locks. > > Otherwise, appears to have been babied. White with blue genuine leather > > seats. Where will this end? > > > > > > > https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1982-mercedes-benz-300td-turbo-16/?utm_source=dailymail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2019-10-29 > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clean 300TD on BAT
The cop enforcing our fire evacuation didnt let me in today, but he went on and on about how great my car is and how I should never sell it. I was like "great. Now can I go get some underwear?" No luck. On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 8:56 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Bidding > $10k, despite 200k Miles+, and inoperative CC and vacuum locks. > Otherwise, appears to have been babied. White with blue genuine leather > seats. Where will this end? > > > https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1982-mercedes-benz-300td-turbo-16/?utm_source=dailymail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2019-10-29 > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clean 300TD on BAT
10k was the answer. Seems like it was well bought, pretty rust free and maybe a new transmission with new front ball joints etc. I suspect these cars are going to people who wont mind spending some maintenance dollars on them, which is what they will need to do. On Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 8:56 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Bidding > $10k, despite 200k Miles+, and inoperative CC and vacuum locks. > Otherwise, appears to have been babied. White with blue genuine leather > seats. Where will this end? > > > https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1982-mercedes-benz-300td-turbo-16/?utm_source=dailymail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2019-10-29 > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Clean 300TD on BAT
Bidding > $10k, despite 200k Miles+, and inoperative CC and vacuum locks. Otherwise, appears to have been babied. White with blue genuine leather seats. Where will this end? https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1982-mercedes-benz-300td-turbo-16/?utm_source=dailymail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2019-10-29 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Clean 300TD on BAT
White, with blue leather seats and uncracked dash. Currently over $10K despite 200K miles, and inoperative CC and vacuum locks. https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1982-mercedes-benz-300td-turbo-16/?utm_source=dailymail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2019-10-29 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
