Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Not many people can afford 5 billion dollar car.


What about the Teslas where you can drive into a replacement 
station, the old battery drops out, a new one is fitted in and you 
drive away in 30-40 seconds without ever having left your car? Seems 
pretty terrific to me for a car with a 200 mile range.The price is a 
bit cringe-worthy though.


-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

What about the Teslas where you can drive into a replacement station, the old 
battery drops out, a new one is fitted in and you drive away in 30-40 seconds 
without ever having left your car? Seems pretty terrific to me for a car with a 
200 mile range.The price is a bit cringe-worthy though.

-Curt

  From: Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
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Cc: Scott Ritchey  
 Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2015 8:07 PM
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The electric car is a wonderful thing except for the battery.  Some of the
earliest cars were electric.  When "batteries" are developed that hold the
equivalent of 10-20 gal of liquid hydrocarbonsat comparable weight and
volume and which can be recharged in a few minutes, then electric cars will
reign supreme.  Until then, not so much.  I put "battery" in quotes because
such a device will probably look nothing like the dissimilar
metal/electrolyte devices used today.

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> via Mercedes
> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 2:57 PM
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> Cc: clay
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord
> 
> But both the Edsel and Delorean are sought after collectable cars.  I
doubt any
> of the current crop of plug in greenie weenie cars will be much sought
after.
> Not so sure todays kids will look back upon their time in a priapus the
way kids
> did 40 years ago with a VW Bug.
> 
> 
> clay
> 
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL
-
> Beware Nigerian Scammers
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 2, 2015, at 7:55 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
> 
> > Curt,
> > All true, I did take a little artistic license on the Volt, but it is
> > such a handy whipping boy when it comes to the whole green machine
> > thing. Based on sales volume and public acceptance, it has been a
> stunning..
> > failure...
> >
> > Sort of like Edsel, or Delorian... grand idea, poor actual preformance
> > and return on investment.
> >
> > Still, I take your point, and will however keep owning diesels.
> > Grant...
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 7:35 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Grant,
> >> As much as I like picking on the greenie weenies I think you may have
> >> missed the fact that the volt is a series hybrid, it has a gas engine
> >> so it can keep going when the battery dies.
> >>
> >> Actually in being a series hybrid I like it, conceptually anyway, a
> >> lot more than a parallel hybrid like the pious Prius. The fact that
> >> it can cover some mileage on just batteries makes it better as a
> >> plugin option for city folk that don't drive much.
> >>
> >>
> >> On the whole I'll keep my Jetta. In fact Angie is pushing me to find
> >> another...
> >>
> >>
> >> Curt
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >>
> >> From:"G Mann via Mercedes"  Date:Tue, Jun 2,
> >> 2015 at 10:22 AM
> >> Subject:Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord
> >>
> >> <<<<< And how far is that Starbucks?  ;<)
> >>
> >> Wilton >>>>> snip
> >>
> >> Wilton,
> >> The nearest Starbucks to El Rancho Playa Fin Del Mundo is  92 miles,
> >> so if I owned a Chevy Volt, I would only have to walk the last 47
> >> miles to buy that $9.00 latte`... Then of course, the tow bill to
> >> recover and recharge the Volt so I could drive it another 45 miles
> >> [with AC on full of course, since it was 107° here yesterday with
> >> ground temps measured at 138°] before abandoning it yet again.
> >>
> >> Hahaha.. Thanks just the same, I'll "plug in" my diesel.
> >>
> >> Grant...
> >>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

But will probably never gain approval for production because people are 
irrationally scared of nuke plants.
-Curt
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 Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2015 3:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord
   
> Curly wrote:
> 
> If those small nuke plants ever become reality, that could
> move up the list.  The problem with nuke now is that they
> are very large, and very expensive to build, and operate,
> and contribute to terrorist concerns.

As I understand, thorium reactors are much safer to operate
and are useless for weapons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorium-based_nuclear_power



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Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

The electric car is a wonderful thing except for the battery.  Some of the
earliest cars were electric.  When "batteries" are developed that hold the
equivalent of 10-20 gal of liquid hydrocarbonsat comparable weight and
volume and which can be recharged in a few minutes, then electric cars will
reign supreme.  Until then, not so much.  I put "battery" in quotes because
such a device will probably look nothing like the dissimilar
metal/electrolyte devices used today.

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> via Mercedes
> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 2:57 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc: clay
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord
> 
> But both the Edsel and Delorean are sought after collectable cars.  I
doubt any
> of the current crop of plug in greenie weenie cars will be much sought
after.
> Not so sure todays kids will look back upon their time in a priapus the
way kids
> did 40 years ago with a VW Bug.
> 
> 
> clay
> 
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL
-
> Beware Nigerian Scammers
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 2, 2015, at 7:55 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
> 
> > Curt,
> > All true, I did take a little artistic license on the Volt, but it is
> > such a handy whipping boy when it comes to the whole green machine
> > thing. Based on sales volume and public acceptance, it has been a
> stunning..
> > failure...
> >
> > Sort of like Edsel, or Delorian... grand idea, poor actual preformance
> > and return on investment.
> >
> > Still, I take your point, and will however keep owning diesels.
> > Grant...
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 7:35 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Grant,
> >> As much as I like picking on the greenie weenies I think you may have
> >> missed the fact that the volt is a series hybrid, it has a gas engine
> >> so it can keep going when the battery dies.
> >>
> >> Actually in being a series hybrid I like it, conceptually anyway, a
> >> lot more than a parallel hybrid like the pious Prius. The fact that
> >> it can cover some mileage on just batteries makes it better as a
> >> plugin option for city folk that don't drive much.
> >>
> >>
> >> On the whole I'll keep my Jetta. In fact Angie is pushing me to find
> >> another...
> >>
> >>
> >> Curt
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >>
> >> From:"G Mann via Mercedes"  Date:Tue, Jun 2,
> >> 2015 at 10:22 AM
> >> Subject:Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord
> >>
> >> <<<<< And how far is that Starbucks?  ;<)
> >>
> >> Wilton >>>>> snip
> >>
> >> Wilton,
> >> The nearest Starbucks to El Rancho Playa Fin Del Mundo is  92 miles,
> >> so if I owned a Chevy Volt, I would only have to walk the last 47
> >> miles to buy that $9.00 latte`... Then of course, the tow bill to
> >> recover and recharge the Volt so I could drive it another 45 miles
> >> [with AC on full of course, since it was 107° here yesterday with
> >> ground temps measured at 138°] before abandoning it yet again.
> >>
> >> Hahaha.. Thanks just the same, I'll "plug in" my diesel.
> >>
> >> Grant...
> >>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Yeah, a pipe dream.

On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 3:30 PM, fmiser via Mercedes 
wrote:

> > Curly wrote:
> >
> > If those small nuke plants ever become reality, that could
> > move up the list.  The problem with nuke now is that they
> > are very large, and very expensive to build, and operate,
> > and contribute to terrorist concerns.
>
> As I understand, thorium reactors are much safer to operate
> and are useless for weapons.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorium-based_nuclear_power
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Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Curly wrote:
> 
> If those small nuke plants ever become reality, that could
> move up the list.  The problem with nuke now is that they
> are very large, and very expensive to build, and operate,
> and contribute to terrorist concerns.

As I understand, thorium reactors are much safer to operate
and are useless for weapons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorium-based_nuclear_power

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Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

[clay via Mercedes]

But both the Edsel and Delorean are sought after collectable cars.  I doubt any 
of the current crop of plug in greenie weenie cars will be much sought after.  
Not so sure todays kids will look back upon their time in a priapus the way 
kids did 40 years ago with a VW Bug.


clay 

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1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
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On Jun 2, 2015, at 7:55 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

> Curt,
> All true, I did take a little artistic license on the Volt, but it is such
> a handy whipping boy when it comes to the whole green machine thing. Based
> on sales volume and public acceptance, it has been a stunning..
> failure...
> 
> Sort of like Edsel, or Delorian... grand idea, poor actual preformance and
> return on investment.
> 
> Still, I take your point, and will however keep owning diesels.
> Grant...
> 
> On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 7:35 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Grant,
>> As much as I like picking on the greenie weenies I think you may have
>> missed the fact that the volt is a series hybrid, it has a gas engine so it
>> can keep going when the battery dies.
>> 
>> Actually in being a series hybrid I like it, conceptually anyway, a lot
>> more than a parallel hybrid like the pious Prius. The fact that it can
>> cover some mileage on just batteries makes it better as a plugin option for
>> city folk that don't drive much.
>> 
>> 
>> On the whole I'll keep my Jetta. In fact Angie is pushing me to find
>> another...
>> 
>> 
>> Curt
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>> 
>> From:"G Mann via Mercedes" 
>> Date:Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:22 AM
>> Subject:Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord
>> 
>> <<<<< And how far is that Starbucks?  ;<)
>> 
>> Wilton >>>>> snip
>> 
>> Wilton,
>> The nearest Starbucks to El Rancho Playa Fin Del Mundo is  92 miles, so if
>> I owned a Chevy Volt, I would only have to walk the last 47 miles to buy
>> that $9.00 latte`... Then of course, the tow bill to recover and recharge
>> the Volt so I could drive it another 45 miles [with AC on full of course,
>> since it was 107° here yesterday with ground temps measured at 138°] before
>> abandoning it yet again.
>> 
>> Hahaha.. Thanks just the same, I'll "plug in" my diesel.
>> 
>> Grant...
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

I was gonna guess 50 mi. - thinking too small.  ;<)  Having not 
flown across that area in several years and not driven across it in 
40+, it's easy to forget.


Wilton


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Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

[WILTON via Mercedes]

And get another ATTABOY.

Wilton

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Curt,
All true, I did take a little artistic license on the Volt, but it is such
a handy whipping boy when it comes to the whole green machine thing. Based
on sales volume and public acceptance, it has been a stunning..
failure...

Sort of like Edsel, or Delorian... grand idea, poor actual preformance and
return on investment.

Still, I take your point, and will however keep owning diesels.
Grant...

On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 7:35 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Grant,
As much as I like picking on the greenie weenies I think you may have
missed the fact that the volt is a series hybrid, it has a gas engine so 
it

can keep going when the battery dies.

Actually in being a series hybrid I like it, conceptually anyway, a lot
more than a parallel hybrid like the pious Prius. The fact that it can
cover some mileage on just batteries makes it better as a plugin option 
for

city folk that don't drive much.


On the whole I'll keep my Jetta. In fact Angie is pushing me to find
another...


Curt



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From:"G Mann via Mercedes" 
Date:Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:22 AM
Subject:Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

<<<<< And how far is that Starbucks?  ;<)

Wilton >>>>> snip

Wilton,
The nearest Starbucks to El Rancho Playa Fin Del Mundo is  92 miles, so 
if

I owned a Chevy Volt, I would only have to walk the last 47 miles to buy
that $9.00 latte`... Then of course, the tow bill to recover and recharge
the Volt so I could drive it another 45 miles [with AC on full of course,
since it was 107° here yesterday with ground temps measured at 138°] 
before

abandoning it yet again.

Hahaha.. Thanks just the same, I'll "plug in" my diesel.

Grant...


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Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

[WILTON via Mercedes]

I was gonna guess 50 mi. - thinking too small.  ;<)  Having not flown across 
that area in several years and not driven across it in 40+, it's easy to 
forget.


Wilton

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<<<<< And how far is that Starbucks?   ;<)

Wilton >>>>> snip

Wilton,
The nearest Starbucks to El Rancho Playa Fin Del Mundo is  92 miles, so if
I owned a Chevy Volt, I would only have to walk the last 47 miles to buy
that $9.00 latte`... Then of course, the tow bill to recover and recharge
the Volt so I could drive it another 45 miles [with AC on full of course,
since it was 107° here yesterday with ground temps measured at 138°] 
before

abandoning it yet again.

Hahaha.. Thanks just the same, I'll "plug in" my diesel.

Grant...
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Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

[G Mann via Mercedes]

If I live in my city apartment, never walk on dirt, only take a subway
[electric of course] to work, and march in "Green Earth Day Parade" I don't
have to acknowledge those nasty things exist... unless I'm carrying the
protest sign that day..
"Go Green, Be Clean"... you know..

Reality is so harsh.. it's so much easier to just ignore and avoid it...
Grant... ;))

On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 8:10 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Don't forget all the nice clean electricity created by nice coal fired
> plants.
>
> RB
>
>
> On 01/06/2015 11:57 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> It's OK... there is plenty of safe clean electrical power on our perfect
>> grid, which has zero defects from being left unattended for 50 yrs.. and
>> that free power comes from clean nuculear plants which I never see, so
>> it's
>> "clean"..
>>
>> If I throw away a few million watts of power because I'm to lazy to plug
>> in
>> my Green Electric Car.. it's no big thing..
>>
>> I'm way to Green to have to worry about things like that..
>>
>> Gotta run.. special at Starbucks on my favorite latte...
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 5:21 PM, OK Don via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Yes, I think so - it might not be terribly heavy, but you have to have a
>>> receiving antenna/transformer coil in the car. My wirelessly charging
>>> electric toothbrush gets warm while on the charger - there are losses in
>>> this system that could be significant for the amount of current required
>>> to
>>> charge a car.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 5:10 PM, WILTON via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  How dey gonna do dat?  Lemme be quick to admit that my thoughts on the
 subject are stuck on my 1950's to '80's engineering training.  Isn't the
 car gonna need a secondary transformer coil mounted on its underside,

>>> with
>>>
 it's weight to haul around ALL the time, or are there modern electronic
 devices that can do dat sans the weight (well, much less weight,
 anyway)?

 Wilton


>>>
>>> --
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>>>
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Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Coal is hardly "relatively...clean".  Where do you get such a wacky
notion?  And "inexpensive" only if you value clean air, water, and lung
health at zero dollars.

Nuclear is only "clean" if you discount the environmental effects of mining
and the carbon footprint of the U3O8 enrichment plants, and ignore the fact
that there is no long term solution in sight on where/how to handle the
waste.

Geothermal, wind, and solar are the cleanest by far.



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> Coal is the most underutilized resource in this country
>
> The elektrojuicity I like best is hydro
> Second best is solar, but it is impractical on a large scale.  Great for
> life "off the grid"
> THird is coal.  Relatively inexpensive, clean, as you say, and abundant
> An added benefit from old coal plants was that they provided sulfur to the
> soil as a plant nutrient.  Now farms have to add sulfur to the normal NPK
> so fertilizer is becoming NPKS.  I had to add sulfur to the garden this
> year as the last few years I could grow much of anything.  Depleted sulfur
> and high pH together meant no food.
> If those small nuke plants ever become reality, that could move up the
> list.  The problem with nuke now is that they are very large, and very
> expensive to build, and operate, and contribute to terrorist concerns.
>
> No terrorist ever tried to steal the clinkers form a coal plant.
>
>
>
>  Don't forget all the nice clean electricity created by nice coal fired
>> plants.
>>
>> RB
>>
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Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Coal is the most underutilized resource in this country

The elektrojuicity I like best is hydro
Second best is solar, but it is impractical on a large scale.  Great 
for life "off the grid"

THird is coal.  Relatively inexpensive, clean, as you say, and abundant
An added benefit from old coal plants was that they provided sulfur 
to the soil as a plant nutrient.  Now farms have to add sulfur to the 
normal NPK so fertilizer is becoming NPKS.  I had to add sulfur to 
the garden this year as the last few years I could grow much of 
anything.  Depleted sulfur and high pH together meant no food.
If those small nuke plants ever become reality, that could move up 
the list.  The problem with nuke now is that they are very large, and 
very expensive to build, and operate, and contribute to terrorist 
concerns.


No terrorist ever tried to steal the clinkers form a coal plant.




Don't forget all the nice clean electricity created by nice coal fired plants.

RB


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Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Its too bad, the Volt is a pretty good idea. With a small diesel engine I think 
it could handily whip the Prius in a mileage competition. The problem overall 
is that its a crappy little Chevy for big money...
-Curt
  From: G Mann via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: G Mann  
 Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2015 10:55 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord
   
Curt,
All true, I did take a little artistic license on the Volt, but it is such
a handy whipping boy when it comes to the whole green machine thing. Based
on sales volume and public acceptance, it has been a stunning..
failure...

Sort of like Edsel, or Delorian... grand idea, poor actual preformance and
return on investment.

Still, I take your point, and will however keep owning diesels.
Grant...

On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 7:35 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Grant,
> As much as I like picking on the greenie weenies I think you may have
> missed the fact that the volt is a series hybrid, it has a gas engine so it
> can keep going when the battery dies.
>
> Actually in being a series hybrid I like it, conceptually anyway, a lot
> more than a parallel hybrid like the pious Prius. The fact that it can
> cover some mileage on just batteries makes it better as a plugin option for
> city folk that don't drive much.
>
>
> On the whole I'll keep my Jetta. In fact Angie is pushing me to find
> another...
>
>
> Curt
>
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
> From:"G Mann via Mercedes" 
> Date:Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:22 AM
> Subject:Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord
>
> <<<<< And how far is that Starbucks?  ;<)
>
> Wilton >>>>> snip
>
> Wilton,
> The nearest Starbucks to El Rancho Playa Fin Del Mundo is  92 miles, so if
> I owned a Chevy Volt, I would only have to walk the last 47 miles to buy
> that $9.00 latte`... Then of course, the tow bill to recover and recharge
> the Volt so I could drive it another 45 miles [with AC on full of course,
> since it was 107° here yesterday with ground temps measured at 138°] before
> abandoning it yet again.
>
> Hahaha.. Thanks just the same, I'll "plug in" my diesel.
>
> Grant...
>
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Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Don't forget all the nice clean electricity created by nice coal fired 
plants.


RB


On 01/06/2015 11:57 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

It's OK... there is plenty of safe clean electrical power on our perfect
grid, which has zero defects from being left unattended for 50 yrs.. and
that free power comes from clean nuculear plants which I never see, so it's
"clean"..

If I throw away a few million watts of power because I'm to lazy to plug in
my Green Electric Car.. it's no big thing..

I'm way to Green to have to worry about things like that..

Gotta run.. special at Starbucks on my favorite latte...

On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 5:21 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:


Yes, I think so - it might not be terribly heavy, but you have to have a
receiving antenna/transformer coil in the car. My wirelessly charging
electric toothbrush gets warm while on the charger - there are losses in
this system that could be significant for the amount of current required to
charge a car.

On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 5:10 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
How dey gonna do dat?  Lemme be quick to admit that my thoughts on the
subject are stuck on my 1950's to '80's engineering training.  Isn't the
car gonna need a secondary transformer coil mounted on its underside,

with

it's weight to haul around ALL the time, or are there modern electronic
devices that can do dat sans the weight (well, much less weight, anyway)?

Wilton




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Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Curt,
All true, I did take a little artistic license on the Volt, but it is such
a handy whipping boy when it comes to the whole green machine thing. Based
on sales volume and public acceptance, it has been a stunning..
failure...

Sort of like Edsel, or Delorian... grand idea, poor actual preformance and
return on investment.

Still, I take your point, and will however keep owning diesels.
Grant...

On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 7:35 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Grant,
> As much as I like picking on the greenie weenies I think you may have
> missed the fact that the volt is a series hybrid, it has a gas engine so it
> can keep going when the battery dies.
>
> Actually in being a series hybrid I like it, conceptually anyway, a lot
> more than a parallel hybrid like the pious Prius. The fact that it can
> cover some mileage on just batteries makes it better as a plugin option for
> city folk that don't drive much.
>
>
> On the whole I'll keep my Jetta. In fact Angie is pushing me to find
> another...
>
>
> Curt
>
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
> From:"G Mann via Mercedes" 
> Date:Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:22 AM
> Subject:Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord
>
> <<<<< And how far is that Starbucks?  ;<)
>
> Wilton >>>>> snip
>
> Wilton,
> The nearest Starbucks to El Rancho Playa Fin Del Mundo is  92 miles, so if
> I owned a Chevy Volt, I would only have to walk the last 47 miles to buy
> that $9.00 latte`... Then of course, the tow bill to recover and recharge
> the Volt so I could drive it another 45 miles [with AC on full of course,
> since it was 107° here yesterday with ground temps measured at 138°] before
> abandoning it yet again.
>
> Hahaha.. Thanks just the same, I'll "plug in" my diesel.
>
> Grant...
>
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Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Grant,


As much as I like picking on the greenie weenies I think you may have missed 
the fact that the volt is a series hybrid, it has a gas engine so it can keep 
going when the battery dies.

Actually in being a series hybrid I like it, conceptually anyway, a lot more 
than a parallel hybrid like the pious Prius. The fact that it can cover some 
mileage on just batteries makes it better as a plugin option for city folk that 
don't drive much.


On the whole I'll keep my Jetta. In fact Angie is pushing me to find another...


Curt



Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

From:"G Mann via Mercedes" 
Date:Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:22 AM
Subject:Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

<<<<< And how far is that Starbucks?  ;<)

Wilton >>>>> snip

Wilton,
The nearest Starbucks to El Rancho Playa Fin Del Mundo is  92 miles, so if
I owned a Chevy Volt, I would only have to walk the last 47 miles to buy
that $9.00 latte`... Then of course, the tow bill to recover and recharge
the Volt so I could drive it another 45 miles [with AC on full of course,
since it was 107° here yesterday with ground temps measured at 138°] before
abandoning it yet again.

Hahaha.. Thanks just the same, I'll "plug in" my diesel.

Grant...


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Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

[G Mann via Mercedes]

< And how far is that Starbucks?   ;<)

Wilton > snip

Wilton,
The nearest Starbucks to El Rancho Playa Fin Del Mundo is  92 miles, so if
I owned a Chevy Volt, I would only have to walk the last 47 miles to buy
that $9.00 latte`... Then of course, the tow bill to recover and recharge
the Volt so I could drive it another 45 miles [with AC on full of course,
since it was 107° here yesterday with ground temps measured at 138°] before
abandoning it yet again.

Hahaha.. Thanks just the same, I'll "plug in" my diesel.

Grant...
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Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

[WILTON via Mercedes]

And how far is that Starbucks?   ;<)

Wilton

- Original Message - 
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Cc: "G Mann" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 12:57 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord



It's OK... there is plenty of safe clean electrical power on our perfect
grid, which has zero defects from being left unattended for 50 yrs.. and
that free power comes from clean nuculear plants which I never see, so 
it's

"clean"..

If I throw away a few million watts of power because I'm to lazy to plug 
in

my Green Electric Car.. it's no big thing..

I'm way to Green to have to worry about things like that..

Gotta run.. special at Starbucks on my favorite latte...

On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 5:21 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 


wrote:


Yes, I think so - it might not be terribly heavy, but you have to have a
receiving antenna/transformer coil in the car. My wirelessly charging
electric toothbrush gets warm while on the charger - there are losses in
this system that could be significant for the amount of current required 
to

charge a car.

On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 5:10 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 

>
wrote:

> How dey gonna do dat?  Lemme be quick to admit that my thoughts on the
> subject are stuck on my 1950's to '80's engineering training.  Isn't 
> the

> car gonna need a secondary transformer coil mounted on its underside,
with
> it's weight to haul around ALL the time, or are there modern electronic
> devices that can do dat sans the weight (well, much less weight, 
> anyway)?

>
> Wilton
>



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who

learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

If there's even a 10% loss of efficiency by going cordless,
it would be criminal to adopt this.  There's too much energy
'in play' when talking about the national EV fleet.

I'm sure this is relatively high frequency, compared to
the 60Hz grid.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

[G Mann via Mercedes]

It's OK... there is plenty of safe clean electrical power on our perfect
grid, which has zero defects from being left unattended for 50 yrs.. and
that free power comes from clean nuculear plants which I never see, so it's
"clean"..

If I throw away a few million watts of power because I'm to lazy to plug in
my Green Electric Car.. it's no big thing..

I'm way to Green to have to worry about things like that..

Gotta run.. special at Starbucks on my favorite latte...

On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 5:21 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Yes, I think so - it might not be terribly heavy, but you have to have a
> receiving antenna/transformer coil in the car. My wirelessly charging
> electric toothbrush gets warm while on the charger - there are losses in
> this system that could be significant for the amount of current required to
> charge a car.
>
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 5:10 PM, WILTON via Mercedes  >
> wrote:
>
> > How dey gonna do dat?  Lemme be quick to admit that my thoughts on the
> > subject are stuck on my 1950's to '80's engineering training.  Isn't the
> > car gonna need a secondary transformer coil mounted on its underside,
> with
> > it's weight to haul around ALL the time, or are there modern electronic
> > devices that can do dat sans the weight (well, much less weight, anyway)?
> >
> > Wilton
> >
>
>
>
> --
> OK Don
>
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>
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> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
>
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
>
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Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Yes, I think so - it might not be terribly heavy, but you have to have a
receiving antenna/transformer coil in the car. My wirelessly charging
electric toothbrush gets warm while on the charger - there are losses in
this system that could be significant for the amount of current required to
charge a car.

On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 5:10 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
wrote:

> How dey gonna do dat?  Lemme be quick to admit that my thoughts on the
> subject are stuck on my 1950's to '80's engineering training.  Isn't the
> car gonna need a secondary transformer coil mounted on its underside, with
> it's weight to haul around ALL the time, or are there modern electronic
> devices that can do dat sans the weight (well, much less weight, anyway)?
>
> Wilton
>



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Re: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Hundreds of tiny gerbils on a treadmill

On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 6:10 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
wrote:

> How dey gonna do dat?  Lemme be quick to admit that my thoughts on the
> subject are stuck on my 1950's to '80's engineering training.  Isn't the
> car gonna need a secondary transformer coil mounted on its underside, with
> it's weight to haul around ALL the time, or are there modern electronic
> devices that can do dat sans the weight (well, much less weight, anyway)?
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Cc: "Andrew Strasfogel" 
> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 4:48 PM
> Subject: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord
>
>
>  ELECTRIC VEHICLES: Developers aim to ax cord for plug-in cars Published:
>> Monday, June 1, 2015
>>
>> Toyota Motor Corp. has teamed up with a Boston-based technology company to
>> make plugging in electric cars a thing of the past.
>>
>> WiTricity, which comes out of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology,
>> envisions a world where electric vehicles would park over charging pads
>> located in lots or garages that would wirelessly transmit energy to a
>> receiver on the undercarriage of the vehicle.
>>
>> "I'll have it in my kitchen counter, my bedside table, probably my coffee
>> table," CEO Alex Gruzen said. "And throughout my day, I'll be casually
>> topping off my devices with this quick 'energy snacking.' The same thing
>> will happen in the automotive space, because when you park, it'll just
>> charge, and you won't be thinking about it."
>>
>> WiTricity isn't the only company working on wireless charging for electric
>> cars, but it is notable in that it has already raised $45 million, with
>> Toyota as an early investor. The two companies also agreed on a licensing
>> agreement in 2013, and Toyota has field-tested the equipment.
>>
>> The car company hopes to include the new technology as an option on its
>> plug-in Prius, according to Gruzen. A Toyota spokeswoman declined to
>> detail
>> any specific plans.
>>
>> Honda Motor Co. is also using WiTricity to recharge a Fit EV at one of its
>> "smart homes" near Tokyo. And other auto suppliers like Delphi Corp. have
>> licensed WiTricity's technology.
>>
>> Proponents are hoping the simplicity of remote charging will win over
>> skeptics who don't want to worry about physically plugging in their car
>> everywhere they park.
>> "I grew up when phones had cords," Gruzen said. "I still to this day think
>> of it as a cordless phone. But to my kids, it's just a phone. They've
>> never
>> known phones with cords. So when we are talking about wireless charging, I
>> think in five years it'll just be charging. It'll just be what you do"
>> (David R. Baker, *San Francisco Chronicle*
>> <
>> http://www.sfchronicle.com/business/article/Floor-pad-could-cut-the-cord-for-electric-cars-6295664.php
>> >,
>> May 29)
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[MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

[WILTON via Mercedes]

How dey gonna do dat?  Lemme be quick to admit that my thoughts on the 
subject are stuck on my 1950's to '80's engineering training.  Isn't the car 
gonna need a secondary transformer coil mounted on its underside, with it's 
weight to haul around ALL the time, or are there modern electronic devices 
that can do dat sans the weight (well, much less weight, anyway)?


Wilton

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Cc: "Andrew Strasfogel" 
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 4:48 PM
Subject: [MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord



ELECTRIC VEHICLES: Developers aim to ax cord for plug-in cars Published:
Monday, June 1, 2015

Toyota Motor Corp. has teamed up with a Boston-based technology company to
make plugging in electric cars a thing of the past.

WiTricity, which comes out of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology,
envisions a world where electric vehicles would park over charging pads
located in lots or garages that would wirelessly transmit energy to a
receiver on the undercarriage of the vehicle.

"I'll have it in my kitchen counter, my bedside table, probably my coffee
table," CEO Alex Gruzen said. "And throughout my day, I'll be casually
topping off my devices with this quick 'energy snacking.' The same thing
will happen in the automotive space, because when you park, it'll just
charge, and you won't be thinking about it."

WiTricity isn't the only company working on wireless charging for electric
cars, but it is notable in that it has already raised $45 million, with
Toyota as an early investor. The two companies also agreed on a licensing
agreement in 2013, and Toyota has field-tested the equipment.

The car company hopes to include the new technology as an option on its
plug-in Prius, according to Gruzen. A Toyota spokeswoman declined to 
detail

any specific plans.

Honda Motor Co. is also using WiTricity to recharge a Fit EV at one of its
"smart homes" near Tokyo. And other auto suppliers like Delphi Corp. have
licensed WiTricity's technology.

Proponents are hoping the simplicity of remote charging will win over
skeptics who don't want to worry about physically plugging in their car
everywhere they park.
"I grew up when phones had cords," Gruzen said. "I still to this day think
of it as a cordless phone. But to my kids, it's just a phone. They've 
never

known phones with cords. So when we are talking about wireless charging, I
think in five years it'll just be charging. It'll just be what you do"
(David R. Baker, *San Francisco Chronicle*
<http://www.sfchronicle.com/business/article/Floor-pad-could-cut-the-cord-for-electric-cars-6295664.php>,
May 29)
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[MBZ] EV Charging sans a cord

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

 ELECTRIC VEHICLES: Developers aim to ax cord for plug-in cars Published:
Monday, June 1, 2015

Toyota Motor Corp. has teamed up with a Boston-based technology company to
make plugging in electric cars a thing of the past.

WiTricity, which comes out of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology,
envisions a world where electric vehicles would park over charging pads
located in lots or garages that would wirelessly transmit energy to a
receiver on the undercarriage of the vehicle.

"I'll have it in my kitchen counter, my bedside table, probably my coffee
table," CEO Alex Gruzen said. "And throughout my day, I'll be casually
topping off my devices with this quick 'energy snacking.' The same thing
will happen in the automotive space, because when you park, it'll just
charge, and you won't be thinking about it."

WiTricity isn't the only company working on wireless charging for electric
cars, but it is notable in that it has already raised $45 million, with
Toyota as an early investor. The two companies also agreed on a licensing
agreement in 2013, and Toyota has field-tested the equipment.

The car company hopes to include the new technology as an option on its
plug-in Prius, according to Gruzen. A Toyota spokeswoman declined to detail
any specific plans.

Honda Motor Co. is also using WiTricity to recharge a Fit EV at one of its
"smart homes" near Tokyo. And other auto suppliers like Delphi Corp. have
licensed WiTricity's technology.

Proponents are hoping the simplicity of remote charging will win over
skeptics who don't want to worry about physically plugging in their car
everywhere they park.
"I grew up when phones had cords," Gruzen said. "I still to this day think
of it as a cordless phone. But to my kids, it's just a phone. They've never
known phones with cords. So when we are talking about wireless charging, I
think in five years it'll just be charging. It'll just be what you do"
(David R. Baker, *San Francisco Chronicle*
,
May 29)
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