Re: [MBZ] Filling tires with nitrogen
Kevin wrote:I wasn't sure whether to point out that nitrogen molecules are smaller than oxygen molecules, or to point out that the atmosphere is mostly nitrogen, not oxygen.. It's probably just as well you didn't mention it - you probably would've been met with a Huh?? and a quizzical look, or maybe a slight tilt of the head followed by a head scratch. Not many chemist/physics experts installing tires. ;-p Sincerely, Larry T (78 240D - 285K) A Blood Test for your oil - www.youroil.net For Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil Weber Carb Stuff http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs http://members.rennlist.com/my_911/Index.htm For my Paint Job Info - Original Message - From: Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Filling tires with nitrogen On Thu, Dec 15, 2005 at 12:40:11PM -0700, Tom Reynolds wrote: Yes, chemical reaction with compressed air and aluminum wheels, not so with inert nitrogen gas. Less tire filling. Yea! Race cars use it. When I got new tires for the 78 300D, they offered it, claiming that the nitrogen molecules were bigger than oxygen molecules, so it would leak less. I wasn't sure whether to point out that nitrogen molecules are smaller than oxygen molecules, or to point out that the atmosphere is mostly nitrogen, not oxygen. Could you imagine a blowout on a steel belted tire filled with pure oxygen? K ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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Thanks Larry! (Might as well talk here, not much happenin' on the F list...) I think we were almost to the point of a group buy on those puppies... Tom (ducking and spinning) Sand Springs, OK At 05:19 PM 12/15/2005 -0500, you wrote: Levi wrote:There's also cheap valve stem caps that change color when you start getting low on air that would be a good bet to save the effort as well. I bought a set of the valve stem caps and initially liked them so well I bought 2 more sets. One morning I found a flat tire, ran out with the air hose and refilled it to see if I could get to Costso for a free fix - it held air but when I put the valve cap back on the air started flooding out! O, I figure I got a bad one - then a week later one of the tires on my van (with wheelchair lift for my mom) was flat one morning - check it and, yep, *another* bad valve stem cap! The scary thing is the air didn't just seep out of the new fangled valve stem cap - it flooded out so the tire was flat again in less than a minute! If we'd been driving at 65 with the van full of people on a hot summer day when the valve stem cap decided to play dead the situation could have been serious. I removed all the tire pressure monitoring valve caps then and kept them off. I tried to find someone to report them to but they're made by several different companies in several different countries - mostly China. I sent a note to the NHTSA but never got a reply except to say they rec'd my note and would get back to me. I'm not holding my breath. ;-) If you're using these little gems be *very* careful - I refuse to ride in vehicles with them but then I rarely need to ride in someone else's car. Sincerely, Larry T (78 240D - 285K) A Blood Test for your oil - www.youroil.net For Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil Weber Carb Stuff http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs http://members.rennlist.com/my_911/Index.htm For my Paint Job Info - Original Message - From: Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Filling tires with nitrogen (was Re: Year End Specials) Sounds like you guys need some new tires or cleaner wheels or something. Unless I've got a slow leak my tires hold their pressure other than a couple lbs difference summer to winter. In other words, I set the tire pressure in the summer ones when I put them on at around 60-70 degrees and that's good until about winter when I put the winter tires on at around 20-30 degrees. And that's fine until spring. At least here in upstate NY where the temps average around there. I'm certainly not going to run out and change my tire pressure pressure when it gets down to 5 degrees at night, then reduce them again for the ride home when it's 20 or 30 degrees... Of course I lived for a couple years in WAY upstate NY where the temps are similar except the winter ones can hit 20 below frequently and 40 below a couple times. At that point I was NOT going to go out and change the pressures again... But suffice to say the tires don't leak normally. I.e. if I fill them to 32lbs in the spring, come fall that's where they're at at the same temp. By the NEXT spring, they might be down a couple lbs, but not much. If you're checking them every week or so and the pressures are actually changing much I think you've got leaks... There's also cheap valve stem caps that change color when you start getting low on air that would be a good bet to save the effort as well. Heck, I'm not against using nitrogen, but it's an extra cost, and even if it's not supposed to leak as much as regular air, how am I going to KNOW that other than checking it at which point I'm letting some out that will need to be replaced... On 12/15/05, Tom Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doc, Agrgavation? To me, aggravation is getting out in a cold, dark parking lot, (whoops, I forgot windy) trying to find the valve, pushing down my glasses so I can see, checking the pressure, picking UP my glasses, then finding the darned air pump either costs money or is somehow defective to my physical limitations (I'm somewhat of a klutz) so that when I try to use it I LOSE air, or the pump is actually turned off. In which case I opt for plan B, which is usually go home, park the car as close to the garage as possible, get the little portable cigarette lighter plug in generator, and then fill my tires, and 8 other ones, because my wife and daughter tell me to fill theirs as well. Aggravation? Heck, I'll pay a buck and a half per tire for nitrogen and a sexy green valve cover cap. smile Tom Sand Springs, OK At 11:54 AM 12/15/2005 -0500, you wrote: Tom Reynolds wrote: Yep, I think I'm going to look around the Tulsa area for nitrogen fillups. Being more inert than the common air from compressed air pumps, it's a lot less likely to be affected
Re: [MBZ] Filling tires with nitrogen (was Re: Year End Specials)
I would only demand pharmaceutical grade nitrogen. No oils in it!! - Original Message - From: Hans Neureiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 2:20 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Filling tires with nitrogen (was Re: Year End Specials) Remember, these people are selling a product, but that is their argiment: http://www.whynitrofill.com/faq.htm On 12/15/05, Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like you guys need some new tires or cleaner wheels or something. Unless I've got a slow leak my tires hold their pressure other than a couple lbs difference summer to winter. In other words, I set the tire pressure in the summer ones when I put them on at around 60-70 degrees and that's good until about winter when I put the winter tires on at around 20-30 degrees. And that's fine until spring. At least here in upstate NY where the temps average around there. I'm certainly not going to run out and change my tire pressure pressure when it gets down to 5 degrees at night, then reduce them again for the ride home when it's 20 or 30 degrees... Of course I lived for a couple years in WAY upstate NY where the temps are similar except the winter ones can hit 20 below frequently and 40 below a couple times. At that point I was NOT going to go out and change the pressures again... But suffice to say the tires don't leak normally. I.e. if I fill them to 32lbs in the spring, come fall that's where they're at at the same temp. By the NEXT spring, they might be down a couple lbs, but not much. If you're checking them every week or so and the pressures are actually changing much I think you've got leaks... There's also cheap valve stem caps that change color when you start getting low on air that would be a good bet to save the effort as well. Heck, I'm not against using nitrogen, but it's an extra cost, and even if it's not supposed to leak as much as regular air, how am I going to KNOW that other than checking it at which point I'm letting some out that will need to be replaced... On 12/15/05, Tom Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doc, Agrgavation? To me, aggravation is getting out in a cold, dark parking lot, (whoops, I forgot windy) trying to find the valve, pushing down my glasses so I can see, checking the pressure, picking UP my glasses, then finding the darned air pump either costs money or is somehow defective to my physical limitations (I'm somewhat of a klutz) so that when I try to use it I LOSE air, or the pump is actually turned off. In which case I opt for plan B, which is usually go home, park the car as close to the garage as possible, get the little portable cigarette lighter plug in generator, and then fill my tires, and 8 other ones, because my wife and daughter tell me to fill theirs as well. Aggravation? Heck, I'll pay a buck and a half per tire for nitrogen and a sexy green valve cover cap. smile Tom Sand Springs, OK At 11:54 AM 12/15/2005 -0500, you wrote: Tom Reynolds wrote: Yep, I think I'm going to look around the Tulsa area for nitrogen fillups. Being more inert than the common air from compressed air pumps, it's a lot less likely to be affected by temperature changes. Anyone know of any place in the Tulsa area that can fill up tires with nitrogen? The air surrounding us is 80% nitrogen! The removal of the 20% that consists MOSTLY of oxygen and carbon dioxide doesn't substantially change the way the gas reacts to temperature. There are some theoretical advantages to using nitrogen compared to using air, but the reward doesn't begin to warrant the cost (the reward is extremely small and the cost in money and aggravation is relatively MUCH larger IN MY OPINION). Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/193 - Release Date: 12/06/2005 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/193 - Release Date: 12/06/2005 ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http
Re: [MBZ] Filling tires with nitrogen (was Re: Year End Specials)
And what saves my tires - Nitro filled, of course - from being attackes on the outside. C'mon, is there any sense left in this crazy world? Think of something stupid most normal people don't understand and tell 'em it's the latest hi-tech stuff, and they will come and buy it, no matter what the cost. Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D On 12/15/05, Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...because air is evil and destroying your tires (or as they put it: Oxygen, on the other hand, is immensely destructive to rubber and This same process occurs in tires inflated with air as the oxygen attacks the rubber molecules,
Re: [MBZ] Filling tires with nitrogen (was Re: Year End Specials)
Heck, I've seen and used plenty of tires that didn't have any caps at all. And if the Shrader fails, those caps don't hol air (at least none of the ones I've had on leaky valves). It might slow it down a bit, but the Schrader is the one and only real valve as far as I'm concerned Levi (: On 12/15/05, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From memory, the Schrader valve is not the primary seal. The screw on cap is the primary seal. Seems to me that is backwards. Some of those caps are nasty cheap squishy plastic things. (Assuming that 'primary' means first-in-line. The Schrader certainly is as to facing pressure.) -- Jim ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- It isn't what you have, or who you are, or where you are, or what you are doing that makes you happy or unhappy. It is what you think about. -Dale Carnegie
Re: [MBZ] Filling tires with nitrogen (was Re: Year End Specials)
Levi Smith wrote: Heck, I've seen and used plenty of tires that didn't have any caps at all. And if the Shrader fails, those caps don't hol air (at least none of the ones I've had on leaky valves). It might slow it down a bit, but the Schrader is the one and only real valve as far as I'm concerned I used to work for a guy who raced production and showroom stock motorcycles. Tech inspection required metal valve caps with gaskets inside. Unless you've got caps like that, The Schrader valve is the only thing holding the air in. (on the motorcycles, the valve is precisely radial to the axle, and the valves can open from centripetal force at 150mph, so the caps are needed)
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rumor has it that Sunil wrote: If there's a Tire Discounters where you are, they exclusively use nitrogen to fill all the tires they sell. I think it's a gimmick, though - you're not driving fast enough to really take advantage of the properties of nitrogen filling. With the atmosphere (air) being more than 75% nitrogen, what's the advanage of loosing the oxygen, carbon dioxide, etc.? Is it just moisture? I don't think nitrogen is categorically moisture free. Philip, with a nitrogen mix in all his tires
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Bottled nitroger is nothing but nitrogen. By default, this makes nitrogen moisture free. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Fmiser Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 8:47 PM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] Filling tires with nitrogen (was Re: Year End Specials) rumor has it that Sunil wrote: If there's a Tire Discounters where you are, they exclusively use nitrogen to fill all the tires they sell. I think it's a gimmick, though - you're not driving fast enough to really take advantage of the properties of nitrogen filling. With the atmosphere (air) being more than 75% nitrogen, what's the advanage of loosing the oxygen, carbon dioxide, etc.? Is it just moisture? I don't think nitrogen is categorically moisture free. Philip, with a nitrogen mix in all his tires ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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And it's not categorically oil free either. We used medical grade nitrogen as an oxidation prevention and pressure delivery for the chemicals in the film processor I used to manage (Wing Lynch, if anyone cares). Don - who still has fixer in his blood -- With the atmosphere (air) being more than 75% nitrogen, what's the advanage of loosing the oxygen, carbon dioxide, etc.? Is it just moisture? I don't think nitrogen is categorically moisture free. Philip, with a nitrogen mix in all his tires -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC The FSM created the Diesel Benz http://www.venganza.org/
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Like everything else, there are various degrees of purity -- 100% pure is not guaranteed unless you pay for it. On 12/15/05, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bottled nitroger is nothing but nitrogen. By default, this makes nitrogen moisture free. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC The FSM created the Diesel Benz http://www.venganza.org/
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filled the tires with 200psi nitrogen It is my opinion that they used Nitrogen because that was the easiest way to get 200 psi _anything_ that would be OK in a tire. Most air compressors don't go up that high, but with 2-3kpsi in a Nitrogen bottle it would be easy. -- Jim
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On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 21:26:40 -0600 Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bottled nitroger is nothing but nitrogen. By default, this makes nitrogen moisture free. The bottled nitrogen typically has a dew point of -98 deg.C (-144.4 deg.F). It's pretty dry. Craig
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And in a former life, I used to amateur race production sportbikes (a 1997 GSX-R750, to be exact). Metal caps with gaskets were indeed required and part of the tech inspection. I didn't often near 150mph as the tracks I raced on didn't have long enough straights... Thunderhill was the fastest, probably mid-140's every lap. Sears Point (now Infineon) was a bit slower, but a lot hairier, and almost more fun in a sadistic sort of way (those of you who have turned a wheel in angst there know what I mean.) I've found cracked plastic caps on some of my vehicles in the past. I try to use only metal caps with gaskets on all my cars (and bike). Be careful, some are better than others - some metal caps have no gaskets, or poor gaskets. Plastic caps are useless except to keep dirt out of the Schrader. =) +dm -- Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 20:32:47 -0500 From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Filling tires with nitrogen I used to work for a guy who raced production and showroom stock motorcycles. Tech inspection required metal valve caps with gaskets inside. Unless you've got caps like that, The Schrader valve is the only thing holding the air in. (on the motorcycles, the valve is precisely radial to the axle, and the valves can open from centripetal force at 150mph, so the caps are needed)
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rumor has it that Mitch wrote: ... the valve is precisely radial to the axle, and the valves can open from centripetal force at 150mph, so the caps are needed) Ya probably mean centrifugal force. Centripetal force is the pull toward the center that counteracts inertia to keep the wheel. In other words, if the centripetal force failed, centrifugal would cause wheel bits to fly all over. But beyond the physics nit picking, I sure wouldn't want the tire valves to open at 150mph (240 km/h) for _any_ reason!! Philip, who has argued there is no such thing as centrifugal force.
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Plastic caps are useless except to keep dirt out of the Schrader. A worthy function, and worth the price of admission! -- Jim
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Try the paint ball guys. they have tanks of the stuff that powers markers for the boys with too much cash and not enough sense On Thursday, December 15, 2005, at 08:40 AM, Tom Reynolds wrote: Yep, I think I'm going to look around the Tulsa area for nitrogen fillups. Being more inert than the common air from compressed air pumps, it's a lot less likely to be affected by temperature changes. Anyone know of any place in the Tulsa area that can fill up tires with nitrogen? Best, Tom Reynolds Sand Springs, OK At 07:35 AM 12/15/2005 -0800, you wrote: My local Tire Warehouse offers nitrogen, offers free refills if any leaks out. I've been sort of thinking that when I put new skins on the 190D I'll actually get nice tires for the first time in my life (rather than store brand) and maybe get the nitrogen, its only like $6 more. -Curt Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 00:22:16 -0700 From: Tom Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Year End Specials To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-ED93C79 Outsmart everyone. Fill with nitrogen and then put green valve caps on so you know it's not air in there any more. Actually, I think some major stores are doing just that, maybe even Costco. Best regards, Tom Reynolds Sand Springs, OK __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/193 - Release Date: 12/06/2005 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/193 - Release Date: 12/06/2005 ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
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I find a nice mixture of (low fat) peanut butter and SPF 50 sunscreen works wonders. You know, I wonder about the sunscreen...resists oxidation, maybe? Tom Reynolds Sand Springs, OK At 07:14 PM 12/15/2005 -0600, you wrote: Content-Disposition: inline And what saves my tires - Nitro filled, of course - from being attackes on the outside. C'mon, is there any sense left in this crazy world? Think of something stupid most normal people don't understand and tell 'em it's the latest hi-tech stuff, and they will come and buy it, no matter what the cost. Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D On 12/15/05, Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...because air is evil and destroying your tires (or as they put it: Oxygen, on the other hand, is immensely destructive to rubber and This same process occurs in tires inflated with air as the oxygen attacks the rubber molecules, ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/193 - Release Date: 12/06/2005 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/193 - Release Date: 12/06/2005
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Where do you get these metal caps with gaskets? Motorcycle shop? I don't think I've ever seen anything but the plain old plastic cheapies at McParts. On 12/15/05, Dave M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And in a former life, I used to amateur race production sportbikes (a 1997 GSX-R750, to be exact). Metal caps with gaskets were indeed required and part of the tech inspection. I didn't often near 150mph as the tracks I raced on didn't have long enough straights... Thunderhill was the fastest, probably mid-140's every lap. Sears Point (now Infineon) was a bit slower, but a lot hairier, and almost more fun in a sadistic sort of way (those of you who have turned a wheel in angst there know what I mean.) I've found cracked plastic caps on some of my vehicles in the past. I try to use only metal caps with gaskets on all my cars (and bike). Be careful, some are better than others - some metal caps have no gaskets, or poor gaskets. Plastic caps are useless except to keep dirt out of the Schrader. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo
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List, Is that what the stores do who fill up tires with nitrogen? Thanks, Tom At 09:49 AM 12/15/2005 -0600, you wrote: Temperature changes will affect the nitrogen the same. The real gain is no moisture but to get there you need to fill bleed out the nitrogen 3 - 4 times so that all of the air is purged out of the tire. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom Reynolds Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:40 AM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: [MBZ] Filling tires with nitrogen (was Re: Year End Specials) Yep, I think I'm going to look around the Tulsa area for nitrogen fillups. Being more inert than the common air from compressed air pumps, it's a lot less likely to be affected by temperature changes. Anyone know of any place in the Tulsa area that can fill up tires with nitrogen? Best, Tom Reynolds Sand Springs, OK At 07:35 AM 12/15/2005 -0800, you wrote: My local Tire Warehouse offers nitrogen, offers free refills if any leaks out. I've been sort of thinking that when I put new skins on the 190D I'll actually get nice tires for the first time in my life (rather than store brand) and maybe get the nitrogen, its only like $6 more. -Curt Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 00:22:16 -0700 From: Tom Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Year End Specials To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-ED93C79 Outsmart everyone. Fill with nitrogen and then put green valve caps on so you know it's not air in there any more. Actually, I think some major stores are doing just that, maybe even Costco. Best regards, Tom Reynolds Sand Springs, OK __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/193 - Release Date: 12/06/2005 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/193 - Release Date: 12/06/2005 ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/193 - Release Date: 12/06/2005 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/193 - Release Date: 12/06/2005
Re: [MBZ] Filling tires with nitrogen (was Re: Year End Specials)
Actually, upon looking at the statement, temperature changes will affect nitrogen the same that's not true. Being more inert (less water content) than compressed air, a nitrogen filled tire will not be nearly as affected by temperature variations as a compressed air filled tire. Thus, it's safer, easier to control for racing conditions (one less variable to worry about), etc. Used by airlines and NASCAR for the two reasons cited above, and the list goes on, check Google. Best regards, Tom Reynolds Sand Springs, OK At 09:54 AM 12/15/2005 -0700, you wrote: List, Is that what the stores do who fill up tires with nitrogen? Thanks, Tom At 09:49 AM 12/15/2005 -0600, you wrote: Temperature changes will affect the nitrogen the same. The real gain is no moisture but to get there you need to fill bleed out the nitrogen 3 - 4 times so that all of the air is purged out of the tire. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom Reynolds Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:40 AM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: [MBZ] Filling tires with nitrogen (was Re: Year End Specials) Yep, I think I'm going to look around the Tulsa area for nitrogen fillups. Being more inert than the common air from compressed air pumps, it's a lot less likely to be affected by temperature changes. Anyone know of any place in the Tulsa area that can fill up tires with nitrogen? Best, Tom Reynolds Sand Springs, OK At 07:35 AM 12/15/2005 -0800, you wrote: My local Tire Warehouse offers nitrogen, offers free refills if any leaks out. I've been sort of thinking that when I put new skins on the 190D I'll actually get nice tires for the first time in my life (rather than store brand) and maybe get the nitrogen, its only like $6 more. -Curt Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 00:22:16 -0700 From: Tom Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Year End Specials To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-ED93C79 Outsmart everyone. Fill with nitrogen and then put green valve caps on so you know it's not air in there any more. Actually, I think some major stores are doing just that, maybe even Costco. Best regards, Tom Reynolds Sand Springs, OK __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/193 - Release Date: 12/06/2005 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/193 - Release Date: 12/06/2005 ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/193 - Release Date: 12/06/2005 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/193 - Release Date: 12/06/2005 ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/193 - Release Date: 12/06/2005 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/193 - Release Date: 12/06/2005
Re: [MBZ] Filling tires with nitrogen (was Re: Year End Specials)
Probably not and at 32 PSI, you will end up with 1/3 air mixed with 2/3 pure nitrogen. The results still are better than just air since you will have 1/3 the moisture in your tires. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom Reynolds Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:55 AM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] Filling tires with nitrogen (was Re: Year End Specials) List, Is that what the stores do who fill up tires with nitrogen? Thanks, Tom At 09:49 AM 12/15/2005 -0600, you wrote: Temperature changes will affect the nitrogen the same. The real gain is no moisture but to get there you need to fill bleed out the nitrogen 3 - 4 times so that all of the air is purged out of the tire. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom Reynolds Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:40 AM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: [MBZ] Filling tires with nitrogen (was Re: Year End Specials) Yep, I think I'm going to look around the Tulsa area for nitrogen fillups. Being more inert than the common air from compressed air pumps, it's a lot less likely to be affected by temperature changes. Anyone know of any place in the Tulsa area that can fill up tires with nitrogen? Best, Tom Reynolds Sand Springs, OK At 07:35 AM 12/15/2005 -0800, you wrote: My local Tire Warehouse offers nitrogen, offers free refills if any leaks out. I've been sort of thinking that when I put new skins on the 190D I'll actually get nice tires for the first time in my life (rather than store brand) and maybe get the nitrogen, its only like $6 more. -Curt Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 00:22:16 -0700 From: Tom Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Year End Specials To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-ED93C79 Outsmart everyone. Fill with nitrogen and then put green valve caps on so you know it's not air in there any more. Actually, I think some major stores are doing just that, maybe even Costco. Best regards, Tom Reynolds Sand Springs, OK __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/193 - Release Date: 12/06/2005 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/193 - Release Date: 12/06/2005 ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/193 - Release Date: 12/06/2005 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/193 - Release Date: 12/06/2005 ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Filling tires with nitrogen (was Re: Year End Specials)
There is a big sunoco refinery over in west tulsa your direction, close to the big sinclair refinery. Tom Reynolds wrote: Kinda like filling up at Sunoco with their blended pumps. Remember that? Is Sunoco still around, and if so, do they still give you the option of Sunoco 260 and down to whatever their lowest grade was? Hmmm Best, Tom Reynolds Sand Springs, OK At 10:15 AM 12/15/2005 -0600, you wrote: Probably not and at 32 PSI, you will end up with 1/3 air mixed with 2/3 pure nitrogen. The results still are better than just air since you will have 1/3 the moisture in your tires. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom Reynolds Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:55 AM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] Filling tires with nitrogen (was Re: Year End Specials) List, Is that what the stores do who fill up tires with nitrogen? Thanks, Tom At 09:49 AM 12/15/2005 -0600, you wrote: Temperature changes will affect the nitrogen the same. The real gain is no moisture but to get there you need to fill bleed out the nitrogen 3 - 4 times so that all of the air is purged out of the tire. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom Reynolds Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:40 AM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: [MBZ] Filling tires with nitrogen (was Re: Year End Specials) Yep, I think I'm going to look around the Tulsa area for nitrogen fillups. Being more inert than the common air from compressed air pumps, it's a lot less likely to be affected by temperature changes. Anyone know of any place in the Tulsa area that can fill up tires with nitrogen? Best, Tom Reynolds Sand Springs, OK At 07:35 AM 12/15/2005 -0800, you wrote: My local Tire Warehouse offers nitrogen, offers free refills if any leaks out. I've been sort of thinking that when I put new skins on the 190D I'll actually get nice tires for the first time in my life (rather than store brand) and maybe get the nitrogen, its only like $6 more. -Curt Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 00:22:16 -0700 From: Tom Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Year End Specials To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-ED93C79 Outsmart everyone. Fill with nitrogen and then put green valve caps on so you know it's not air in there any more. Actually, I think some major stores are doing just that, maybe even Costco. Best regards, Tom Reynolds Sand Springs, OK __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/193 - Release Date: 12/06/2005 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/193 - Release Date: 12/06/2005 ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/193 - Release Date: 12/06/2005 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/193 - Release Date: 12/06/2005 ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/193 - Release Date: 12/06/2005 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81
Re: [MBZ] Filling tires with nitrogen (was Re: Year End Specials)
If there's a Tire Discounters where you are, they exclusively use nitrogen to fill all the tires they sell. I think it's a gimmick, though - you're not driving fast enough to really take advantage of the properties of nitrogen filling. On 12/15/05, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a big sunoco refinery over in west tulsa your direction, close to the big sinclair refinery. Tom Reynolds wrote: Kinda like filling up at Sunoco with their blended pumps. Remember that? Is Sunoco still around, and if so, do they still give you the option of Sunoco 260 and down to whatever their lowest grade was? Hmmm Best, Tom Reynolds Sand Springs, OK At 10:15 AM 12/15/2005 -0600, you wrote: Probably not and at 32 PSI, you will end up with 1/3 air mixed with 2/3 pure nitrogen. The results still are better than just air since you will have 1/3 the moisture in your tires. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom Reynolds Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:55 AM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] Filling tires with nitrogen (was Re: Year End Specials) List, Is that what the stores do who fill up tires with nitrogen? Thanks, Tom At 09:49 AM 12/15/2005 -0600, you wrote: Temperature changes will affect the nitrogen the same. The real gain is no moisture but to get there you need to fill bleed out the nitrogen 3 - 4 times so that all of the air is purged out of the tire. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom Reynolds Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:40 AM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: [MBZ] Filling tires with nitrogen (was Re: Year End Specials) Yep, I think I'm going to look around the Tulsa area for nitrogen fillups. Being more inert than the common air from compressed air pumps, it's a lot less likely to be affected by temperature changes. Anyone know of any place in the Tulsa area that can fill up tires with nitrogen? Best, Tom Reynolds Sand Springs, OK At 07:35 AM 12/15/2005 -0800, you wrote: My local Tire Warehouse offers nitrogen, offers free refills if any leaks out. I've been sort of thinking that when I put new skins on the 190D I'll actually get nice tires for the first time in my life (rather than store brand) and maybe get the nitrogen, its only like $6 more. -Curt Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 00:22:16 -0700 From: Tom Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Year End Specials To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-ED93C79 Outsmart everyone. Fill with nitrogen and then put green valve caps on so you know it's not air in there any more. Actually, I think some major stores are doing just that, maybe even Costco. Best regards, Tom Reynolds Sand Springs, OK __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/193 - Release Date: 12/06/2005 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/193 - Release Date: 12/06/2005 ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/193 - Release Date: 12/06/2005 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/193 - Release Date: 12/06/2005 ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see
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I was in Guadalajara Mexico this Summer and there were car washers that were pushing this, they seemed to be having a lot of success getting customers. Surprised people would pay for this, sort of, luxury item. Dan 82 300D-T 90kmi Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection.
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I understand it helps to prevent leaks with aluminum wheels. Exactly why, I am not sure? Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 8:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Filling tires with nitrogen I was in Guadalajara Mexico this Summer and there were car washers that were pushing this, they seemed to be having a lot of success getting customers. Surprised people would pay for this, sort of, luxury item. Dan 82 300D-T 90kmi Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Filling tires with nitrogen (was Re: Year End Specials)
Tom Reynolds wrote: Yep, I think I'm going to look around the Tulsa area for nitrogen fillups. Being more inert than the common air from compressed air pumps, it's a lot less likely to be affected by temperature changes. Anyone know of any place in the Tulsa area that can fill up tires with nitrogen? The air surrounding us is 80% nitrogen! The removal of the 20% that consists MOSTLY of oxygen and carbon dioxide doesn't substantially change the way the gas reacts to temperature. There are some theoretical advantages to using nitrogen compared to using air, but the reward doesn't begin to warrant the cost (the reward is extremely small and the cost in money and aggravation is relatively MUCH larger IN MY OPINION). Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] Filling tires with nitrogen
Dan writes: I was in Guadalajara Mexico this Summer and there were car washers that were pushing this, they seemed to be having a lot of success getting customers. Surprised people would pay for this, sort of, luxury item. It's a brand extension of the oxygen bar. Lee
Re: [MBZ] Filling tires with nitrogen (was Re: Year End Specials)
So does Costco, as well as my favorite independent tire chain - neither charges anything extra for it, and both are happy to check pressure and add more anytime it's needed. But only Costco seems to use the neat green caps! Rob -Original Message- From: Sunil Hari If there's a Tire Discounters where you are, they exclusively use nitrogen to fill all the tires they sell.
Re: [MBZ] Filling tires with nitrogen (was Re: Year End Specials)
Tom Reynolds wrote: Actually, upon looking at the statement, temperature changes will affect nitrogen the same that's not true. Being more inert (less water content) than compressed air, a nitrogen filled tire will not be nearly as affected by temperature variations as a compressed air filled tire. I don't get it. It's been a long time since I took physics, but all gases are going to expand and contract with temperature, aren't they? Maybe I'm just not clear on what the problem people are trying to solve is.
Re: [MBZ] Filling tires with nitrogen (was Re: Year End Specials)
Heh heh, GROUP BUY!!! grin Tom At 10:23 AM 12/15/2005 -0600, you wrote: There is a big sunoco refinery over in west tulsa your direction, close to the big sinclair refinery. Tom Reynolds wrote: Kinda like filling up at Sunoco with their blended pumps. Remember that? Is Sunoco still around, and if so, do they still give you the option of Sunoco 260 and down to whatever their lowest grade was? Hmmm Best, Tom Reynolds Sand Springs, OK At 10:15 AM 12/15/2005 -0600, you wrote: Probably not and at 32 PSI, you will end up with 1/3 air mixed with 2/3 pure nitrogen. The results still are better than just air since you will have 1/3 the moisture in your tires. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom Reynolds Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:55 AM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] Filling tires with nitrogen (was Re: Year End Specials) List, Is that what the stores do who fill up tires with nitrogen? Thanks, Tom At 09:49 AM 12/15/2005 -0600, you wrote: Temperature changes will affect the nitrogen the same. The real gain is no moisture but to get there you need to fill bleed out the nitrogen 3 - 4 times so that all of the air is purged out of the tire. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom Reynolds Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:40 AM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: [MBZ] Filling tires with nitrogen (was Re: Year End Specials) Yep, I think I'm going to look around the Tulsa area for nitrogen fillups. Being more inert than the common air from compressed air pumps, it's a lot less likely to be affected by temperature changes. Anyone know of any place in the Tulsa area that can fill up tires with nitrogen? Best, Tom Reynolds Sand Springs, OK At 07:35 AM 12/15/2005 -0800, you wrote: My local Tire Warehouse offers nitrogen, offers free refills if any leaks out. I've been sort of thinking that when I put new skins on the 190D I'll actually get nice tires for the first time in my life (rather than store brand) and maybe get the nitrogen, its only like $6 more. -Curt Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 00:22:16 -0700 From: Tom Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Year End Specials To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-ED93C79 Outsmart everyone. Fill with nitrogen and then put green valve caps on so you know it's not air in there any more. Actually, I think some major stores are doing just that, maybe even Costco. Best regards, Tom Reynolds Sand Springs, OK __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/193 - Release Date: 12/06/2005 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/193 - Release Date: 12/06/2005 ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/193 - Release Date: 12/06/2005 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/193 - Release Date: 12/06/2005 ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/193 - Release Date: 12/06/2005 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89
Re: [MBZ] Filling tires with nitrogen (was Re: Year End Specials)
The only reason for using Nitrogen is not in the tire performance aspect, but important for a shop functioning in cold, subfreezing weather. Water freezes. Compressor air has water in it. Purchased Nitrogen has no water in it. Shop tools, such as air driven impacts, hoist controls and what not, will fail if water droplets freeze in them. It is cheaper for shops like D.T. or COSTCO to buy Nitrogen rather than dehydrating compressor air. On 12/15/05, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom Reynolds wrote: Actually, upon looking at the statement, temperature changes will affect nitrogen the same that's not true. Being more inert (less water content) than compressed air, a nitrogen filled tire will not be nearly as affected by temperature variations as a compressed air filled tire. I don't get it. It's been a long time since I took physics, but all gases are going to expand and contract with temperature, aren't they? Maybe I'm just not clear on what the problem people are trying to solve is. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D
Re: [MBZ] Filling tires with nitrogen (was Re: Year End Specials)
No gimmick. Science. Physics. etc. But, yeah, on a practical note, as none of us (well, few of us) are out there on public roads pretending to be doing laps at (insert race track of your choice here), the only real benefit we'll likely see is increased fuel mileage because our tires no longer have such a decrease in pressure because of temperature change. And, don't quote me on this, but I *think* I remember that nitrogen is a more dense gas (compared to our friend compressed air) so is more likely to hang around in the tire than the other stuff. And, for people who normally check their tires once a week or once every two weeks, that chore should be lessened as well, so less bending down and messing with dirty valve cap covers, etc. Best, Tom Sand Springs, OK At 11:26 AM 12/15/2005 -0500, you wrote: Content-Disposition: inline If there's a Tire Discounters where you are, they exclusively use nitrogen to fill all the tires they sell. I think it's a gimmick, though - you're not driving fast enough to really take advantage of the properties of nitrogen filling. On 12/15/05, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a big sunoco refinery over in west tulsa your direction, close to the big sinclair refinery. Tom Reynolds wrote: Kinda like filling up at Sunoco with their blended pumps. Remember that? Is Sunoco still around, and if so, do they still give you the option of Sunoco 260 and down to whatever their lowest grade was? Hmmm Best, Tom Reynolds Sand Springs, OK At 10:15 AM 12/15/2005 -0600, you wrote: Probably not and at 32 PSI, you will end up with 1/3 air mixed with 2/3 pure nitrogen. The results still are better than just air since you will have 1/3 the moisture in your tires. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom Reynolds Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:55 AM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] Filling tires with nitrogen (was Re: Year End Specials) List, Is that what the stores do who fill up tires with nitrogen? Thanks, Tom At 09:49 AM 12/15/2005 -0600, you wrote: Temperature changes will affect the nitrogen the same. The real gain is no moisture but to get there you need to fill bleed out the nitrogen 3 - 4 times so that all of the air is purged out of the tire. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom Reynolds Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:40 AM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: [MBZ] Filling tires with nitrogen (was Re: Year End Specials) Yep, I think I'm going to look around the Tulsa area for nitrogen fillups. Being more inert than the common air from compressed air pumps, it's a lot less likely to be affected by temperature changes. Anyone know of any place in the Tulsa area that can fill up tires with nitrogen? Best, Tom Reynolds Sand Springs, OK At 07:35 AM 12/15/2005 -0800, you wrote: My local Tire Warehouse offers nitrogen, offers free refills if any leaks out. I've been sort of thinking that when I put new skins on the 190D I'll actually get nice tires for the first time in my life (rather than store brand) and maybe get the nitrogen, its only like $6 more. -Curt Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 00:22:16 -0700 From: Tom Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Year End Specials To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-ED93C79 Outsmart everyone. Fill with nitrogen and then put green valve caps on so you know it's not air in there any more. Actually, I think some major stores are doing just that, maybe even Costco. Best regards, Tom Reynolds Sand Springs, OK __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/193 - Release Date: 12/06/2005 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/193 - Release Date: 12/06/2005 ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official
Re: [MBZ] Filling tires with nitrogen
Yes, chemical reaction with compressed air and aluminum wheels, not so with inert nitrogen gas. Less tire filling. Yea! Tom SS, OK At 10:49 AM 12/15/2005 -0800, you wrote: I understand it helps to prevent leaks with aluminum wheels. Exactly why, I am not sure? Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 8:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Filling tires with nitrogen I was in Guadalajara Mexico this Summer and there were car washers that were pushing this, they seemed to be having a lot of success getting customers. Surprised people would pay for this, sort of, luxury item. Dan 82 300D-T 90kmi Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/193 - Release Date: 12/06/2005 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/193 - Release Date: 12/06/2005
Re: [MBZ] Filling tires with nitrogen (was Re: Year End Specials)
Doc, Agrgavation? To me, aggravation is getting out in a cold, dark parking lot, (whoops, I forgot windy) trying to find the valve, pushing down my glasses so I can see, checking the pressure, picking UP my glasses, then finding the darned air pump either costs money or is somehow defective to my physical limitations (I'm somewhat of a klutz) so that when I try to use it I LOSE air, or the pump is actually turned off. In which case I opt for plan B, which is usually go home, park the car as close to the garage as possible, get the little portable cigarette lighter plug in generator, and then fill my tires, and 8 other ones, because my wife and daughter tell me to fill theirs as well. Aggravation? Heck, I'll pay a buck and a half per tire for nitrogen and a sexy green valve cover cap. smile Tom Sand Springs, OK At 11:54 AM 12/15/2005 -0500, you wrote: Tom Reynolds wrote: Yep, I think I'm going to look around the Tulsa area for nitrogen fillups. Being more inert than the common air from compressed air pumps, it's a lot less likely to be affected by temperature changes. Anyone know of any place in the Tulsa area that can fill up tires with nitrogen? The air surrounding us is 80% nitrogen! The removal of the 20% that consists MOSTLY of oxygen and carbon dioxide doesn't substantially change the way the gas reacts to temperature. There are some theoretical advantages to using nitrogen compared to using air, but the reward doesn't begin to warrant the cost (the reward is extremely small and the cost in money and aggravation is relatively MUCH larger IN MY OPINION). Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/193 - Release Date: 12/06/2005 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/193 - Release Date: 12/06/2005
Re: [MBZ] Filling tires with nitrogen (was Re: Year End Specials)
There's water in the compressed air, but not in the nitrogen. That's what makes it temperature sensitive. Best, Tom At 10:16 AM 12/15/2005 -0800, you wrote: Tom Reynolds wrote: Actually, upon looking at the statement, temperature changes will affect nitrogen the same that's not true. Being more inert (less water content) than compressed air, a nitrogen filled tire will not be nearly as affected by temperature variations as a compressed air filled tire. I don't get it. It's been a long time since I took physics, but all gases are going to expand and contract with temperature, aren't they? Maybe I'm just not clear on what the problem people are trying to solve is. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/193 - Release Date: 12/06/2005 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/193 - Release Date: 12/06/2005
Re: [MBZ] Filling tires with nitrogen (was Re: Year End Specials)
Yes and no. There IS (believe me folks, I'm not making this up...) a performance benefit. You know, for example, how engineers try to make a chassis as stiff as possible? That's because if the chassis is stiff, it takes a big variable out of suspension tuning. They can concentrate on the plethora of mystical things that Steve Matchett, for example, talks about in attempting to dial a car in to its maximum performance capability at that track in those conditions at that time. Same thing for tires. Cars handle differently when tire pressures change, and with uneven tire pressures (other than desired by those smart engineers). Been to an autocross? Competitors there (and moreso at higher levels of competition) check their pressures after every run. And adjust them. Aircraft use nitrogen in tires, F1, NASCAR, etc. Really. But, of course, having said that, will it make a noticeable difference to Joe or Josephine Driver? Hey, I don't know. Would I like to try it? Sure, why not? Best, Tom Reynolds Sand Springs, OK At 12:31 PM 12/15/2005 -0600, you wrote: Content-Disposition: inline The only reason for using Nitrogen is not in the tire performance aspect, but important for a shop functioning in cold, subfreezing weather. Water freezes. Compressor air has water in it. Purchased Nitrogen has no water in it. Shop tools, such as air driven impacts, hoist controls and what not, will fail if water droplets freeze in them. It is cheaper for shops like D.T. or COSTCO to buy Nitrogen rather than dehydrating compressor air. On 12/15/05, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom Reynolds wrote: Actually, upon looking at the statement, temperature changes will affect nitrogen the same that's not true. Being more inert (less water content) than compressed air, a nitrogen filled tire will not be nearly as affected by temperature variations as a compressed air filled tire. I don't get it. It's been a long time since I took physics, but all gases are going to expand and contract with temperature, aren't they? Maybe I'm just not clear on what the problem people are trying to solve is. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/193 - Release Date: 12/06/2005 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/193 - Release Date: 12/06/2005
Re: [MBZ] Filling tires with nitrogen (was Re: Year End Specials)
Sounds like you guys need some new tires or cleaner wheels or something. Unless I've got a slow leak my tires hold their pressure other than a couple lbs difference summer to winter. In other words, I set the tire pressure in the summer ones when I put them on at around 60-70 degrees and that's good until about winter when I put the winter tires on at around 20-30 degrees. And that's fine until spring. At least here in upstate NY where the temps average around there. I'm certainly not going to run out and change my tire pressure pressure when it gets down to 5 degrees at night, then reduce them again for the ride home when it's 20 or 30 degrees... Of course I lived for a couple years in WAY upstate NY where the temps are similar except the winter ones can hit 20 below frequently and 40 below a couple times. At that point I was NOT going to go out and change the pressures again... But suffice to say the tires don't leak normally. I.e. if I fill them to 32lbs in the spring, come fall that's where they're at at the same temp. By the NEXT spring, they might be down a couple lbs, but not much. If you're checking them every week or so and the pressures are actually changing much I think you've got leaks... There's also cheap valve stem caps that change color when you start getting low on air that would be a good bet to save the effort as well. Heck, I'm not against using nitrogen, but it's an extra cost, and even if it's not supposed to leak as much as regular air, how am I going to KNOW that other than checking it at which point I'm letting some out that will need to be replaced... On 12/15/05, Tom Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doc, Agrgavation? To me, aggravation is getting out in a cold, dark parking lot, (whoops, I forgot windy) trying to find the valve, pushing down my glasses so I can see, checking the pressure, picking UP my glasses, then finding the darned air pump either costs money or is somehow defective to my physical limitations (I'm somewhat of a klutz) so that when I try to use it I LOSE air, or the pump is actually turned off. In which case I opt for plan B, which is usually go home, park the car as close to the garage as possible, get the little portable cigarette lighter plug in generator, and then fill my tires, and 8 other ones, because my wife and daughter tell me to fill theirs as well. Aggravation? Heck, I'll pay a buck and a half per tire for nitrogen and a sexy green valve cover cap. smile Tom Sand Springs, OK At 11:54 AM 12/15/2005 -0500, you wrote: Tom Reynolds wrote: Yep, I think I'm going to look around the Tulsa area for nitrogen fillups. Being more inert than the common air from compressed air pumps, it's a lot less likely to be affected by temperature changes. Anyone know of any place in the Tulsa area that can fill up tires with nitrogen? The air surrounding us is 80% nitrogen! The removal of the 20% that consists MOSTLY of oxygen and carbon dioxide doesn't substantially change the way the gas reacts to temperature. There are some theoretical advantages to using nitrogen compared to using air, but the reward doesn't begin to warrant the cost (the reward is extremely small and the cost in money and aggravation is relatively MUCH larger IN MY OPINION). Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/193 - Release Date: 12/06/2005 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/193 - Release Date: 12/06/2005
Re: [MBZ] Filling tires with nitrogen
Yeah, I suppose if it doesn't contain any moisture it wouldn't be as likely to corrode. But in the 50 or so aluminum wheels I've used over the last 15 years I only ever had a couple that had any minor leaks like that which puts it at least as good as any steel wheels I've had. Either way you had to pop the wheel off, clean it up and put it back on... Most modern air compressors have some sort of water condensation devices to keep the water out of the air because of the damage it does to air tools, etc. I wouldn't think there should be too much in the tires anyway. But probably enough that Nitrogen would be better. Nahh, I still can't see me using it even if I had a tank of it at home... Levi On 12/15/05, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I understand it helps to prevent leaks with aluminum wheels. Exactly why, I am not sure? Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 8:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Filling tires with nitrogen I was in Guadalajara Mexico this Summer and there were car washers that were pushing this, they seemed to be having a lot of success getting customers. Surprised people would pay for this, sort of, luxury item. Dan 82 300D-T 90kmi Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- It isn't what you have, or who you are, or where you are, or what you are doing that makes you happy or unhappy. It is what you think about. -Dale Carnegie
Re: [MBZ] Filling tires with nitrogen (was Re: Year End Specials)
Remember, these people are selling a product, but that is their argiment: http://www.whynitrofill.com/faq.htm On 12/15/05, Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like you guys need some new tires or cleaner wheels or something. Unless I've got a slow leak my tires hold their pressure other than a couple lbs difference summer to winter. In other words, I set the tire pressure in the summer ones when I put them on at around 60-70 degrees and that's good until about winter when I put the winter tires on at around 20-30 degrees. And that's fine until spring. At least here in upstate NY where the temps average around there. I'm certainly not going to run out and change my tire pressure pressure when it gets down to 5 degrees at night, then reduce them again for the ride home when it's 20 or 30 degrees... Of course I lived for a couple years in WAY upstate NY where the temps are similar except the winter ones can hit 20 below frequently and 40 below a couple times. At that point I was NOT going to go out and change the pressures again... But suffice to say the tires don't leak normally. I.e. if I fill them to 32lbs in the spring, come fall that's where they're at at the same temp. By the NEXT spring, they might be down a couple lbs, but not much. If you're checking them every week or so and the pressures are actually changing much I think you've got leaks... There's also cheap valve stem caps that change color when you start getting low on air that would be a good bet to save the effort as well. Heck, I'm not against using nitrogen, but it's an extra cost, and even if it's not supposed to leak as much as regular air, how am I going to KNOW that other than checking it at which point I'm letting some out that will need to be replaced... On 12/15/05, Tom Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doc, Agrgavation? To me, aggravation is getting out in a cold, dark parking lot, (whoops, I forgot windy) trying to find the valve, pushing down my glasses so I can see, checking the pressure, picking UP my glasses, then finding the darned air pump either costs money or is somehow defective to my physical limitations (I'm somewhat of a klutz) so that when I try to use it I LOSE air, or the pump is actually turned off. In which case I opt for plan B, which is usually go home, park the car as close to the garage as possible, get the little portable cigarette lighter plug in generator, and then fill my tires, and 8 other ones, because my wife and daughter tell me to fill theirs as well. Aggravation? Heck, I'll pay a buck and a half per tire for nitrogen and a sexy green valve cover cap. smile Tom Sand Springs, OK At 11:54 AM 12/15/2005 -0500, you wrote: Tom Reynolds wrote: Yep, I think I'm going to look around the Tulsa area for nitrogen fillups. Being more inert than the common air from compressed air pumps, it's a lot less likely to be affected by temperature changes. Anyone know of any place in the Tulsa area that can fill up tires with nitrogen? The air surrounding us is 80% nitrogen! The removal of the 20% that consists MOSTLY of oxygen and carbon dioxide doesn't substantially change the way the gas reacts to temperature. There are some theoretical advantages to using nitrogen compared to using air, but the reward doesn't begin to warrant the cost (the reward is extremely small and the cost in money and aggravation is relatively MUCH larger IN MY OPINION). Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/193 - Release Date: 12/06/2005 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/193 - Release Date: 12/06/2005 ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D
Re: [MBZ] Filling tires with nitrogen
On Thu, Dec 15, 2005 at 12:40:11PM -0700, Tom Reynolds wrote: Yes, chemical reaction with compressed air and aluminum wheels, not so with inert nitrogen gas. Less tire filling. Yea! Race cars use it. When I got new tires for the 78 300D, they offered it, claiming that the nitrogen molecules were bigger than oxygen molecules, so it would leak less. I wasn't sure whether to point out that nitrogen molecules are smaller than oxygen molecules, or to point out that the atmosphere is mostly nitrogen, not oxygen. Could you imagine a blowout on a steel belted tire filled with pure oxygen? K
Re: [MBZ] Filling tires with nitrogen (was Re: Year End Specials)
Nitrogen has been used for specialty purposes in tires for years. 20 some odd years ago in college, one of my instructors ( who was a retired big wig from the society of automotive engineers, and consultant and board member to a number of regulatory agencies ) explained how some of the car companies were coming up with their rediculously high mpg figures. They put the car on a banked oval track, mounted specially designed tires that ran on an exposed tread that was only about 1/4 wide and filled the tires with 200psi nitrogen ( read that almost zero rolling resistance ) then they ran the car around for an extended period of time at 55 mph, and used that as their highway estimate, and did the same at 35 with a few variances and called that their city estimate. It's no wonder everybody got about 8-10 or worse less mpg than the sticker. Robert Tom Reynolds wrote: Yes and no. There IS (believe me folks, I'm not making this up...) a performance benefit. You know, for example, how engineers try to make a chassis as stiff as possible? That's because if the chassis is stiff, it takes a big variable out of suspension tuning. They can concentrate on the plethora of mystical things that Steve Matchett, for example, talks about in attempting to dial a car in to its maximum performance capability at that track in those conditions at that time. Same thing for tires. Cars handle differently when tire pressures change, and with uneven tire pressures (other than desired by those smart engineers). Been to an autocross? Competitors there (and moreso at higher levels of competition) check their pressures after every run. And adjust them. Aircraft use nitrogen in tires, F1, NASCAR, etc. Really. But, of course, having said that, will it make a noticeable difference to Joe or Josephine Driver? Hey, I don't know. Would I like to try it? Sure, why not? Best, Tom Reynolds Sand Springs, OK At 12:31 PM 12/15/2005 -0600, you wrote: Content-Disposition: inline The only reason for using Nitrogen is not in the tire performance aspect, but important for a shop functioning in cold, subfreezing weather. Water freezes. Compressor air has water in it. Purchased Nitrogen has no water in it. Shop tools, such as air driven impacts, hoist controls and what not, will fail if water droplets freeze in them. It is cheaper for shops like D.T. or COSTCO to buy Nitrogen rather than dehydrating compressor air. On 12/15/05, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom Reynolds wrote: Actually, upon looking at the statement, temperature changes will affect nitrogen the same that's not true. Being more inert (less water content) than compressed air, a nitrogen filled tire will not be nearly as affected by temperature variations as a compressed air filled tire. I don't get it. It's been a long time since I took physics, but all gases are going to expand and contract with temperature, aren't they? Maybe I'm just not clear on what the problem people are trying to solve is. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/193 - Release Date: 12/06/2005
Re: [MBZ] Filling tires with nitrogen
The whole idea of filling my tyres with nitrogen is fascinating. However, I just wouldn't feel comfortable unless it was Mercedes-approved nitrogen. Even better if it's diesel-rated. Anyone have a part number for Rusty to quote a price on? Don't forget to Red Loc-Tite on the adapters to the Schrader valves, so no IffyBoob employee can accidentally contaminate that pristine N with a little H or O2. :-) +dm™ -- Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:40:11 -0700 From: Tom Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Filling tires with nitrogen Yes, chemical reaction with compressed air and aluminum wheels, not so with inert nitrogen gas. Less tire filling. Yea! Tom SS, OK At 10:49 AM 12/15/2005 -0800, you wrote: I understand it helps to prevent leaks with aluminum wheels. Exactly why, I am not sure? Randy
Re: [MBZ] Filling tires with nitrogen (was Re: Year End Specials)
Levi wrote:There's also cheap valve stem caps that change color when you start getting low on air that would be a good bet to save the effort as well. I bought a set of the valve stem caps and initially liked them so well I bought 2 more sets. One morning I found a flat tire, ran out with the air hose and refilled it to see if I could get to Costso for a free fix - it held air but when I put the valve cap back on the air started flooding out! O, I figure I got a bad one - then a week later one of the tires on my van (with wheelchair lift for my mom) was flat one morning - check it and, yep, *another* bad valve stem cap! The scary thing is the air didn't just seep out of the new fangled valve stem cap - it flooded out so the tire was flat again in less than a minute! If we'd been driving at 65 with the van full of people on a hot summer day when the valve stem cap decided to play dead the situation could have been serious. I removed all the tire pressure monitoring valve caps then and kept them off. I tried to find someone to report them to but they're made by several different companies in several different countries - mostly China. I sent a note to the NHTSA but never got a reply except to say they rec'd my note and would get back to me. I'm not holding my breath. ;-) If you're using these little gems be *very* careful - I refuse to ride in vehicles with them but then I rarely need to ride in someone else's car. Sincerely, Larry T (78 240D - 285K) A Blood Test for your oil - www.youroil.net For Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil Weber Carb Stuff http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs http://members.rennlist.com/my_911/Index.htm For my Paint Job Info - Original Message - From: Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Filling tires with nitrogen (was Re: Year End Specials) Sounds like you guys need some new tires or cleaner wheels or something. Unless I've got a slow leak my tires hold their pressure other than a couple lbs difference summer to winter. In other words, I set the tire pressure in the summer ones when I put them on at around 60-70 degrees and that's good until about winter when I put the winter tires on at around 20-30 degrees. And that's fine until spring. At least here in upstate NY where the temps average around there. I'm certainly not going to run out and change my tire pressure pressure when it gets down to 5 degrees at night, then reduce them again for the ride home when it's 20 or 30 degrees... Of course I lived for a couple years in WAY upstate NY where the temps are similar except the winter ones can hit 20 below frequently and 40 below a couple times. At that point I was NOT going to go out and change the pressures again... But suffice to say the tires don't leak normally. I.e. if I fill them to 32lbs in the spring, come fall that's where they're at at the same temp. By the NEXT spring, they might be down a couple lbs, but not much. If you're checking them every week or so and the pressures are actually changing much I think you've got leaks... There's also cheap valve stem caps that change color when you start getting low on air that would be a good bet to save the effort as well. Heck, I'm not against using nitrogen, but it's an extra cost, and even if it's not supposed to leak as much as regular air, how am I going to KNOW that other than checking it at which point I'm letting some out that will need to be replaced... On 12/15/05, Tom Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doc, Agrgavation? To me, aggravation is getting out in a cold, dark parking lot, (whoops, I forgot windy) trying to find the valve, pushing down my glasses so I can see, checking the pressure, picking UP my glasses, then finding the darned air pump either costs money or is somehow defective to my physical limitations (I'm somewhat of a klutz) so that when I try to use it I LOSE air, or the pump is actually turned off. In which case I opt for plan B, which is usually go home, park the car as close to the garage as possible, get the little portable cigarette lighter plug in generator, and then fill my tires, and 8 other ones, because my wife and daughter tell me to fill theirs as well. Aggravation? Heck, I'll pay a buck and a half per tire for nitrogen and a sexy green valve cover cap. smile Tom Sand Springs, OK At 11:54 AM 12/15/2005 -0500, you wrote: Tom Reynolds wrote: Yep, I think I'm going to look around the Tulsa area for nitrogen fillups. Being more inert than the common air from compressed air pumps, it's a lot less likely to be affected by temperature changes. Anyone know of any place in the Tulsa area that can fill up tires with nitrogen? The air surrounding us is 80% nitrogen! The removal of the 20% that consists MOSTLY of oxygen and carbon dioxide doesn't substantially change the way the gas reacts to temperature
Re: [MBZ] Filling tires with nitrogen (was Re: Year End Specials)
Schrader valves were never designed to be constantly fooled with, it's no wonder those caps cause problems. I drove for a trucking company a bunch of years ago. one of the owners ( an investor with the brain power of a turnip) decided that he wanted all his drivers to check the air pressure in all 18 tires 4 times a day. Where we used to only have tire problems once or twice a month, we all were then having to waste time in the shop 2-4 times a week to get failed schrader valves replaced ( even new valves would only last about a month and a half ), or to get the tires replaced that had peeled of the rim from going flat due to the failed schrader valves. I don't think that moron ever did figure out how much money he was wasting, no matter how many times we told him. Much better on the valves to just check them on a reasonable schedule and give the tires a good kick in between :-) -Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Levi wrote:There's also cheap valve stem caps that change color when you start getting low on air that would be a good bet to save the effort as well. I bought a set of the valve stem caps and initially liked them so well I bought 2 more sets. One morning I found a flat tire, ran out with the air hose and refilled it to see if I could get to Costso for a free fix - it held air but when I put the valve cap back on the air started flooding out! O, I figure I got a bad one - then a week later one of the tires on my van (with wheelchair lift for my mom) was flat one morning - check it and, yep, *another* bad valve stem cap! The scary thing is the air didn't just seep out of the new fangled valve stem cap - it flooded out so the tire was flat again in less than a minute! If we'd been driving at 65 with the van full of people on a hot summer day when the valve stem cap decided to play dead the situation could have been serious. I removed all the tire pressure monitoring valve caps then and kept them off. I tried to find someone to report them to but they're made by several different companies in several different countries - mostly China. I sent a note to the NHTSA but never got a reply except to say they rec'd my note and would get back to me. I'm not holding my breath. ;-) If you're using these little gems be *very* careful - I refuse to ride in vehicles with them but then I rarely need to ride in someone else's car. Sincerely, Larry T (78 240D - 285K) A Blood Test for your oil - www.youroil.net For Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil Weber Carb Stuff http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs http://members.rennlist.com/my_911/Index.htm For my Paint Job Info - Original Message - From: Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Filling tires with nitrogen (was Re: Year End Specials) Sounds like you guys need some new tires or cleaner wheels or something. Unless I've got a slow leak my tires hold their pressure other than a couple lbs difference summer to winter. In other words, I set the tire pressure in the summer ones when I put them on at around 60-70 degrees and that's good until about winter when I put the winter tires on at around 20-30 degrees. And that's fine until spring. At least here in upstate NY where the temps average around there. I'm certainly not going to run out and change my tire pressure pressure when it gets down to 5 degrees at night, then reduce them again for the ride home when it's 20 or 30 degrees... Of course I lived for a couple years in WAY upstate NY where the temps are similar except the winter ones can hit 20 below frequently and 40 below a couple times. At that point I was NOT going to go out and change the pressures again... But suffice to say the tires don't leak normally. I.e. if I fill them to 32lbs in the spring, come fall that's where they're at at the same temp. By the NEXT spring, they might be down a couple lbs, but not much. If you're checking them every week or so and the pressures are actually changing much I think you've got leaks... There's also cheap valve stem caps that change color when you start getting low on air that would be a good bet to save the effort as well. Heck, I'm not against using nitrogen, but it's an extra cost, and even if it's not supposed to leak as much as regular air, how am I going to KNOW that other than checking it at which point I'm letting some out that will need to be replaced... On 12/15/05, Tom Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doc, Agrgavation? To me, aggravation is getting out in a cold, dark parking lot, (whoops, I forgot windy) trying to find the valve, pushing down my glasses so I can see, checking the pressure, picking UP my glasses, then finding the darned air pump either costs money or is somehow defective to my physical limitations (I'm somewhat of a klutz) so that when I try to use it I LOSE air
Re: [MBZ] Filling tires with nitrogen (was Re: Year End Specials)
Hadn't thought about it that much, I would tend to agree with it. I also hadn't heard about the problems with the monitoring caps, though I can't say that I've actually talked to anyone who's used them yet. But I guess it doesn't sound like that much of a surprise. I guess I just still need one of the real monitors with sensors in the wheels. Levi (: On 12/15/05, Robert Tara Ludwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Schrader valves were never designed to be constantly fooled with, it's no wonder those caps cause problems. I drove for a trucking company a bunch of years ago. one of the owners ( an investor with the brain power of a turnip) decided that he wanted all his drivers to check the air pressure in all 18 tires 4 times a day. Where we used to only have tire problems once or twice a month, we all were then having to waste time in the shop 2-4 times a week to get failed schrader valves replaced ( even new valves would only last about a month and a half ), or to get the tires replaced that had peeled of the rim from going flat due to the failed schrader valves. I don't think that moron ever did figure out how much money he was wasting, no matter how many times we told him. Much better on the valves to just check them on a reasonable schedule and give the tires a good kick in between :-)
Re: [MBZ] Filling tires with nitrogen (was Re: Year End Specials)
From memory, the Schrader valve is not the primary seal. The screw on cap is the primary seal. But the Schrader valve acts as a backup if the screw on cap fails or is not properly tightened. The screw on pressure checkers replace the primary seal (the valve cap) they hold the Schrader valve open. When you install these, you just replaced a system with redundant backup with one with a single point of failure. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Robert Tara Ludwick Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 4:56 PM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] Filling tires with nitrogen (was Re: Year End Specials) Schrader valves were never designed to be constantly fooled with, it's no wonder those caps cause problems. I drove for a trucking company a bunch of years ago. one of the owners ( an investor with the brain power of a turnip) decided that he wanted all his drivers to check the air pressure in all 18 tires 4 times a day. Where we used to only have tire problems once or twice a month, we all were then having to waste time in the shop 2-4 times a week to get failed schrader valves replaced ( even new valves would only last about a month and a half ), or to get the tires replaced that had peeled of the rim from going flat due to the failed schrader valves. I don't think that moron ever did figure out how much money he was wasting, no matter how many times we told him. Much better on the valves to just check them on a reasonable schedule and give the tires a good kick in between :-) -Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Levi wrote:There's also cheap valve stem caps that change color when you start getting low on air that would be a good bet to save the effort as well. I bought a set of the valve stem caps and initially liked them so well I bought 2 more sets. One morning I found a flat tire, ran out with the air hose and refilled it to see if I could get to Costso for a free fix - it held air but when I put the valve cap back on the air started flooding out! O, I figure I got a bad one - then a week later one of the tires on my van (with wheelchair lift for my mom) was flat one morning - check it and, yep, *another* bad valve stem cap! The scary thing is the air didn't just seep out of the new fangled valve stem cap - it flooded out so the tire was flat again in less than a minute! If we'd been driving at 65 with the van full of people on a hot summer day when the valve stem cap decided to play dead the situation could have been serious. I removed all the tire pressure monitoring valve caps then and kept them off. I tried to find someone to report them to but they're made by several different companies in several different countries - mostly China. I sent a note to the NHTSA but never got a reply except to say they rec'd my note and would get back to me. I'm not holding my breath. ;-) If you're using these little gems be *very* careful - I refuse to ride in vehicles with them but then I rarely need to ride in someone else's car. Sincerely, Larry T (78 240D - 285K) A Blood Test for your oil - www.youroil.net For Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil Weber Carb Stuff http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs http://members.rennlist.com/my_911/Index.htm For my Paint Job Info - Original Message - From: Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Filling tires with nitrogen (was Re: Year End Specials) Sounds like you guys need some new tires or cleaner wheels or something. Unless I've got a slow leak my tires hold their pressure other than a couple lbs difference summer to winter. In other words, I set the tire pressure in the summer ones when I put them on at around 60-70 degrees and that's good until about winter when I put the winter tires on at around 20-30 degrees. And that's fine until spring. At least here in upstate NY where the temps average around there. I'm certainly not going to run out and change my tire pressure pressure when it gets down to 5 degrees at night, then reduce them again for the ride home when it's 20 or 30 degrees... Of course I lived for a couple years in WAY upstate NY where the temps are similar except the winter ones can hit 20 below frequently and 40 below a couple times. At that point I was NOT going to go out and change the pressures again... But suffice to say the tires don't leak normally. I.e. if I fill them to 32lbs in the spring, come fall that's where they're at at the same temp. By the NEXT spring, they might be down a couple lbs, but not much. If you're checking them every week or so and the pressures are actually changing much I think you've got leaks... There's also cheap valve stem caps that change color when you start getting low on air that would be a good bet
Re: [MBZ] Filling tires with nitrogen (was Re: Year End Specials)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One morning I found a flat tire, ran out with the air hose and refilled it to see if I could get to Costso for a free fix - it held air but when I put the valve cap back on the air started flooding out! I think any device that holds the schrader valve open is inherently hazardous. You'll never find a pressure gauge that approaches the reliability of the valve it bypasses.
Re: [MBZ] Filling tires with nitrogen (was Re: Year End Specials)
I don't think as fast, though. Ah well, it was just a conversation starter. Anyone wanna talk about F1 or bike racing? grin Tom Sand Springs, OK At 12:19 PM 12/15/2005 -0800, you wrote: Tom Reynolds wrote: Doc, Agrgavation? To me, aggravation is getting out in a cold, dark parking lot, (whoops, I forgot windy) trying to find the valve, pushing down my glasses so I can see, checking the pressure, picking UP my glasses, then finding the darned air pump either costs money or is somehow defective to my physical limitations (I'm somewhat of a klutz) so that when I try to use it I LOSE air, or the pump is actually turned off. If your tires leak air, they're gonna leak nitrogen, too. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/193 - Release Date: 12/06/2005 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/193 - Release Date: 12/06/2005
