Re: [MBZ] Fluids -antifreeze and power steering
Curt Raymond wrote: I believe the Dexcool is the horrid GM orange death stuff. If it is I'd get rid of it POST HASTE at worst replace with green stuff, better to go with the correct MB (available from Rusty or the dealer) or the generic replacement the name of which escapes me right now. I'm not an expert, and maybe someone will prove me wrong, but I'm not convinced the orange stuff is any worse than the old-fashioned green stuff. It's just not good for five years like it's supposed to be. The problems people report with it seem to be corrosion problems, like you'd expect from antifreeze that was left in too long.
Re: [MBZ] Fluids -antifreeze and power steering
David Brodbeck wrote: I'm not an expert, and maybe someone will prove me wrong, but I'm not convinced the orange stuff is any worse than the old-fashioned green stuff. Two problems: Each corrosion preventing additive forms it's own type of barrier coating on the metal surfaces it's protecting, and it's generally best to just stick with one type. Dex-cool seems to do strange things when air is present in the cooling system, and I find that to be an unacceptable risk when the others don't do that. If I buy a new GM car, I'll change it immediately to G-05. If I buy a used GM car, I'll replace it with dexcool at purchase and every two years after that, and hope it never leaks.
Re: [MBZ] Fluids -antifreeze and power steering
Mitch Haley wrote: Dex-cool seems to do strange things when air is present in the cooling system, and I find that to be an unacceptable risk when the others don't do that. It certainly makes it a bad idea in a Mercedes, if that's true. Their design choice to use a header tank but no overflow bottle means that air is drawn in on every cool down cycle.
Re: [MBZ] Fluids -antifreeze and power steering
ok, so if you had a GM car, you'd change out the dexcool from MB coolant? At 05:29 PM 7/17/2005, you wrote: Whomever told you that about the Mobil 1 in the ps pump is an idiot, quit listening to that person. I did that on my car over a year (and like 25kmi) ago and its been just fine, doesn't leak a bit. Many other listers have also been using it. I believe the Dexcool is the horrid GM orange death stuff. If it is I'd get rid of it POST HASTE at worst replace with green stuff, better to go with the correct MB (available from Rusty or the dealer) or the generic replacement the name of which escapes me right now. -Curt '83 240D Hammie 242kmi Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 11:00:09 -0400 From: Anthony Galioto http://us.f328.mail.yahoo.com/ym/[EMAIL PROTECTED]YY=38375order=downsort=datepos=0view=ahead=b[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Fluids -antifreeze and power steering To: Mercedes mailing list http://us.f328.mail.yahoo.com/ym/[EMAIL PROTECTED]YY=38375order=downsort=datepos=0view=ahead=b[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: http://us.f328.mail.yahoo.com/ym/[EMAIL PROTECTED]YY=38375order=downsort=datepos=0view=ahead=b[EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I just changed the anti freeze and power steering fluids on my 1983 240D. In the PS I put Mobil 1 ATF. I have now been told this would damage the seals. Is this correct ? Should I drain it and install regular PS Fluid? The manual says to use ATF. I also changed the antifreeze. I installed Prestone Dex-Cool, it was more expensive so I thought it's better. I am now worried because I read the container and it says its for an aluminum engine. Should I drain and replace this fluid? Thanks, Anthony 1983 240D 62900 mi __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Fluids -antifreeze and power steering
do you know what the differences are between expensive german febi ATF in the blue bottle and plain old Dexron from Costco? they look, feel and smell teh same to me. also, any idea what the difference is with the febi P/S fluid and ATF? we sell tons of the stuff, but the point eludes me At 05:19 PM 7/17/2005, you wrote: Anthony Galioto wrote: I just changed the anti freeze and power steering fluids on my 1983 240D. In the PS I put Mobil 1 ATF. I have now been told this would damage the seals. Is this correct ? Should I drain it and install regular PS Fluid? The manual says to use ATF. I also changed the antifreeze. I installed Prestone Dex-Cool, it was more expensive so I thought it's better. I am now worried because I read the container and it says its for an aluminum engine. Should I drain and replace this fluid? Your car came with ATF in the power steering system. Only problem with using modern PS fluid is that it gets pretty stiff in VERY cold weather. Mobil 1 ATF solves that problem. Mercedes makes it's own PS fluid now, but ATF is fine for older (before the '90s) Mercedes. The Prestone Dex-Cool is NOT really suitable. Leave it in for a year or so and then completely flush it and change to Zerex G-05 or Mercedes anti-freeze (they are identical). There are NO other anti-freeze mixtures that meet the Mercedes requirements. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi Diesel Technical Advisor MBCA, member GWSection http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Fluids -antifreeze and power steering
Thanks everyone. Drained and flushed the red devil out of my cooling system. It now happyly has Zerox G-05. My car thanks you too. Anthony New York 83 240D 69000mi On 7/18/05, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well one difference is that you're making a living selling the stuff. next question? ;-) Jeff Zedic Toronto 87 300TD 83 300D ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] Fluids -antifreeze and power steering
I just changed the anti freeze and power steering fluids on my 1983 240D. In the PS I put Mobil 1 ATF. I have now been told this would damage the seals. Is this correct ? Should I drain it and install regular PS Fluid? The manual says to use ATF. I also changed the antifreeze. I installed Prestone Dex-Cool, it was more expensive so I thought it's better. I am now worried because I read the container and it says its for an aluminum engine. Should I drain and replace this fluid? Thanks, Anthony 1983 240D 62900 mi
Re: [MBZ] Fluids -antifreeze and power steering
Anthony, I swapped out the P/S fluid in my '83 240D over a year ago. Used Mobil 1ATF changed the filter. Steering response is improved. Mobil 1 is what is recommended for our car. The MB type is for the newer cars. You did change the filter??? As for the anti freeze GET RID of the Dex-Cool NOW. Go to your local McParts and get Zerex G-05 this is the same as the MB fluid. Dex-Cool is EVIL flush it out multiple times and replace with the Zerex. When I bought my wifes 300SD it had Dex-Cool in it. Boy it was a mess. Flushed it out with MB Citric Acid flush (Thanks Rusty) then replaced with the Zerex. Engine temps went from 100°C down to 85-90° C depending if the A/C was running. OT I'm in the Market for an '81-'85 300SD for my wife. I killed hers 3 weeks ago. Anybody have one they want to get rid of. Contact me Off List. Russ W. '83 240D '81 300SD (DEAD) Anthony Galioto wrote: I just changed the anti freeze and power steering fluids on my 1983 240D. In the PS I put Mobil 1 ATF. I have now been told this would damage the seals. Is this correct ? Should I drain it and install regular PS Fluid? The manual says to use ATF. I also changed the antifreeze. I installed Prestone Dex-Cool, it was more expensive so I thought it's better. I am now worried because I read the container and it says its for an aluminum engine. Should I drain and replace this fluid? Thanks, Anthony 1983 240D 62900 mi ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Fluids -antifreeze and power steering
DO NOT USE DEATH-COOL! Use ZEREX G-05. It should be available at you local Wallyworld/McParts... Mobil 1 atf is fine Rick Knoble 1985 300 CD - Original Message - From: Anthony Galioto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 10:00 AM Subject: [MBZ] Fluids -antifreeze and power steering I just changed the anti freeze and power steering fluids on my 1983 240D. In the PS I put Mobil 1 ATF. I have now been told this would damage the seals. Is this correct ? Should I drain it and install regular PS Fluid? The manual says to use ATF. I also changed the antifreeze. I installed Prestone Dex-Cool, it was more expensive so I thought it's better. I am now worried because I read the container and it says its for an aluminum engine. Should I drain and replace this fluid? Thanks, Anthony 1983 240D 62900 mi ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For new parts see www.buymbparts.com For repairs see www.oldworldauto.com To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Fluids -antifreeze and power steering
Anthony Galioto wrote: I just changed the anti freeze and power steering fluids on my 1983 240D. In the PS I put Mobil 1 ATF. I have now been told this would damage the seals. Is this correct ? Should I drain it and install regular PS Fluid? The manual says to use ATF. I also changed the antifreeze. I installed Prestone Dex-Cool, it was more expensive so I thought it's better. I am now worried because I read the container and it says its for an aluminum engine. Should I drain and replace this fluid? Your car came with ATF in the power steering system. Only problem with using modern PS fluid is that it gets pretty stiff in VERY cold weather. Mobil 1 ATF solves that problem. Mercedes makes it's own PS fluid now, but ATF is fine for older (before the '90s) Mercedes. The Prestone Dex-Cool is NOT really suitable. Leave it in for a year or so and then completely flush it and change to Zerex G-05 or Mercedes anti-freeze (they are identical). There are NO other anti-freeze mixtures that meet the Mercedes requirements. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi Diesel Technical Advisor MBCA, member GWSection http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm
Re: [MBZ] Fluids -antifreeze and power steering
In a message dated 7/17/2005 5:20:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Prestone Dex-Cool is NOT really suitable. Leave it in for a year or so and then completely flush it and change to Zerex G-05 or Mercedes anti-freeze (they are identical). There are NO other anti-freeze mixtures that meet the Mercedes requirements. Marshall, Is the Zerex G05 the correct antifreeze for my 95 E300D? Thank you, Jay 95 MB E300D 92K The new baby 83 MB 300D 241K The silver coffin 99 Mercury Sable wagon 24 valve 72K Cannondale SR500 Allentown,Pa.
Re: [MBZ] Fluids -antifreeze and power steering
Whomever told you that about the Mobil 1 in the ps pump is an idiot, quit listening to that person. I did that on my car over a year (and like 25kmi) ago and its been just fine, doesn't leak a bit. Many other listers have also been using it. I believe the Dexcool is the horrid GM orange death stuff. If it is I'd get rid of it POST HASTE at worst replace with green stuff, better to go with the correct MB (available from Rusty or the dealer) or the generic replacement the name of which escapes me right now. -Curt '83 240D Hammie 242kmi Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 11:00:09 -0400 From: Anthony Galioto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Fluids -antifreeze and power steering To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I just changed the anti freeze and power steering fluids on my 1983 240D. In the PS I put Mobil 1 ATF. I have now been told this would damage the seals. Is this correct ? Should I drain it and install regular PS Fluid? The manual says to use ATF. I also changed the antifreeze. I installed Prestone Dex-Cool, it was more expensive so I thought it's better. I am now worried because I read the container and it says its for an aluminum engine. Should I drain and replace this fluid? Thanks, Anthony 1983 240D 62900 mi __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
