Re: [MBZ] Fwd: SL diff mounts r129
The gasser pumps are set up differently I think, only diesel pumps are a direct fit. I suspect a gasser pump could be modified to work, but I haven't explored that yet. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC On October 6, 2019 11:25:58 AM EDT, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: >AFIK, all 124 wagons had the dual pump. I don't think you need a VIN >check. > >Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 10/6/19 7:41 AM: >> True, but that can be a lot of sifting and winnowing. When I needed >the >> ASD differential for my '95 E300, I had to call each potential >junkyard and >> get the VIN, run the VIN to make sure the car had ASD, and then call >back >> to order it. Go through five yards, and that gets old quickly. >> - >> Max >> Charleston SC >> >> >> On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 12:01 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >>> CAR-PART.COM >>> >>> Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 10/5/19 1:35 PM: Yabut I need a good core to rebuild, would like to have a spare on >the >>> shelf. >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com > >To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: SL diff mounts r129
If they have pics, often the auction photo of the doorframe sticker is included. That's how I found the donors of the fender and hood on my Green-Black metallic (Black Opal) ML350. I still can't believe I found two W163s that color in SE Michigan. Both were listed as blue, but I looked at dozens of blue MLs to find those two. Mitch. > On October 6, 2019 at 8:41 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > > True, but that can be a lot of sifting and winnowing. When I needed the > ASD differential for my '95 E300, I had to call each potential junkyard and > get the VIN, ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: SL diff mounts r129
AFIK, all 124 wagons had the dual pump. I don't think you need a VIN check. Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 10/6/19 7:41 AM: True, but that can be a lot of sifting and winnowing. When I needed the ASD differential for my '95 E300, I had to call each potential junkyard and get the VIN, run the VIN to make sure the car had ASD, and then call back to order it. Go through five yards, and that gets old quickly. - Max Charleston SC On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 12:01 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: CAR-PART.COM Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 10/5/19 1:35 PM: Yabut I need a good core to rebuild, would like to have a spare on the shelf. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: SL diff mounts r129
True, but that can be a lot of sifting and winnowing. When I needed the ASD differential for my '95 E300, I had to call each potential junkyard and get the VIN, run the VIN to make sure the car had ASD, and then call back to order it. Go through five yards, and that gets old quickly. - Max Charleston SC On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 12:01 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > CAR-PART.COM > > Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 10/5/19 1:35 PM: > > Yabut I need a good core to rebuild, would like to have a spare on the > shelf. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: SL diff mounts r129
CAR-PART.COM Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 10/5/19 1:35 PM: Yabut I need a good core to rebuild, would like to have a spare on the shelf. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: SL diff mounts r129
Just call Tom Hanson or search the Classic Center Germany website to see what their inventory is. The standard struts are still available. On Sat, Oct 5, 2019 at 11:37 AM Max Dillon via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Glad to hear it! I had no idea there were such struts. How hard was it > to track down a source? > -- > Max Dillon > Charleston SC > > On October 5, 2019 10:45:03 AM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >Hi Max. The SLS is going back to stock. I got two of the last 3 > >sportline > >SLS struts out of Germany for it, and sportline springs. So I will be > >keeping the SLS valve. I did have to selectively modify the valve > >mounting > >bracket with a 2lb hammer to get a 22mm rear 500e swaybar to fit, but > >other > >than that it will be pretty much stock sportline suspension in the end. > > > >On Sat, Oct 5, 2019 at 3:01 AM Max Dillon via Mercedes < > >mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > >> If you are removing the SLS, sell me the dual circuit steering pump > >and > >> the control valve. > >> -- > >> Max Dillon > >> Charleston SC > >> > >> On October 5, 2019 12:22:14 AM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> >Swapping a 500e subframe into the 87 wagon is one of the more > >pointless > >> >things I have done, but the old one is out and I am building up the > >new > >> >frame, so no going back. Just did it to fit a 210mm diff in for a > >> >limited > >> >slip carrier. The whole assembly will all be new stuff, except the > >> >pinion > >> >seal - didn't feel like messing with the nut on the pinion. > >> > > >> >It used to squeak from the left rear wheel at slow speeds on bumps. > >I > >> >thought it was the spindle bearings on the lower control arm, but I > >was > >> >wrong. Most of the stuff had already been done a few years ago with > >> >Meyle > >> >etc stuff; those spherical bearings were new and smooth. Of course I > >> >had > >> >new OE ones, and the tool, so out they came anyway. > >> > > >> >Come to find the SLS struts have a spherical bearing on the bottom. > >> >This > >> >chassis must have over 300k on it, and I'm pretty sure these were > >the > >> >original struts. All oily, the little bellows things were long gone, > >> >and > >> >the left lower ball joint was completely dry and sticky. I got some > >new > >> >OE > >> >sportline ones out of Germany a while back, so in they go. > >> > > >> >The rear springs were some dropped height aftermarket affairs. All > >they > >> >did > >> >was wear out my rear tires on the insides. New OE sportline stuff > >going > >> >in. > >> >Then I will have to put new ones in the front to match. > >> > > >> >The little toe-in eccentric links are NLA from Mercedes, so I got > >some > >> >Lemforders from partscontainer on ebay. I don't think Lemforder make > >> >them > >> >any more. > >> > > >> >The diff mounts are holding me up. Turns out the OE mounts are NLA. > >We > >> >are > >> >talking like early 90s 500sl stuff. I found some in Latvia so they > >are > >> >probably on a boat somewhere. I even have a fancy diff mount removal > >> >tool, > >> >but of course it is for a non v8 w124 and the SL/500e mounts have > >twice > >> >the > >> >diameter, so the dies on the removal tool won't work for the larger > >> >mounts > >> >without ripping the centers out of the old mounts. I guess I will > >round > >> >up > >> >a generic bearing removal tool with a set of dies on ebay or amazon > >to > >> >get > >> >the mounts out and in. If I can get the old ones out in one piece I > >> >will > >> >dissolve the rubber out and fill them with urethane and maybe use > >them > >> >in > >> >the e420. > >> > > >> >Once I get the new 500SL diff mounted, I can measure the driveshaft > >> >length > >> >and see if the v8 sedan rear section will fit. > >> > > >> >Fortunately the rear wheel bearings had already been done by the > >> >previous > >> >owner. That job is supposedly a bear on the wagons because the > >bearing > >> >diameter is bigger and the rollers get caught somehow when pressing > >it > >> >out. > >> >So at least I don't have to go buy a press this weekend. > >> > > >> >Broke the shield over the fuel pump area (I don't know what it > >protects > >> >on > >> >the diesel cars) just ahead of the right rear wheel well. It had a > >> >rounded > >> >off nylon nut that was totally inaccessible with the subframe > >halfway > >> >out. > >> >So I could not remove it. Subframe got caught on the shield and > >ripped > >> >a > >> >corner off. Someone in NC had an old stock part. Those shields are > >> >pretty > >> >strong, with fiber reinforcement of some type. > >> > > >> >Finally got David Hendy to send me a new red wiring connector for > >the > >> >airbag, so that was very cool. He is a good guy. I broke the old one > >> >when > >> >changing the multifunction stalk out. > >> > > >> >I have been driving the car around with only one front seat for > >awhile. > >> >Amazing how roomy the car is like that.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: SL diff mounts r129
The valve isn't really fragile, but it won't tolerate abuse, and unlike the 123 valve, the 124/201 valve can't be rebuilt. If the spheres are totally flat, you apparently need to unhook the linkage and move the valve to the drain position to drive the car. I needed to relocate the 16v after the spheres died, so I let the rear tires down to 20 psi and drove slowly. Now it sits low and won't pump up. My fault. Mitch. > On October 5, 2019 at 10:48 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes > wrote: > > > I did not know these were so fragile! I have never opened it up. How > complex can it be to rehabilitate the innards? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: SL diff mounts r129
Yabut I need a good core to rebuild, would like to have a spare on the shelf. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC On October 5, 2019 12:51:26 PM EDT, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: >Max, despite rumors to the contrary, you CAN rebuild the dual pump. >BTDT. Q got kits for me. I'd suggest ordering 2 kits, as the >likelihood >of buggering one seal is fairly high, or get one kit, take out the >seals >and buy extras at the local bearing house. The inner seal between the >2 >pumps is the tricky one. > >They are actually pretty simple. As in any hydraulic device, keep >everything in order and cleaner than surgery. For gear pumps, make >sure >the gears are marked and teeth engage the same teeth in the same place, > >etc. I'm sorry, I don't remember what I used to drive the inner seal >in >place. Probably a pipe and a washer/bushing > >Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 10/5/19 5:00 AM: >> If you are removing the SLS, sell me the dual circuit steering pump >and the control valve. > > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com > >To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: SL diff mounts r129
Glad to hear it! I had no idea there were such struts. How hard was it to track down a source? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC On October 5, 2019 10:45:03 AM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote: >Hi Max. The SLS is going back to stock. I got two of the last 3 >sportline >SLS struts out of Germany for it, and sportline springs. So I will be >keeping the SLS valve. I did have to selectively modify the valve >mounting >bracket with a 2lb hammer to get a 22mm rear 500e swaybar to fit, but >other >than that it will be pretty much stock sportline suspension in the end. > >On Sat, Oct 5, 2019 at 3:01 AM Max Dillon via Mercedes < >mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> If you are removing the SLS, sell me the dual circuit steering pump >and >> the control valve. >> -- >> Max Dillon >> Charleston SC >> >> On October 5, 2019 12:22:14 AM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >Swapping a 500e subframe into the 87 wagon is one of the more >pointless >> >things I have done, but the old one is out and I am building up the >new >> >frame, so no going back. Just did it to fit a 210mm diff in for a >> >limited >> >slip carrier. The whole assembly will all be new stuff, except the >> >pinion >> >seal - didn't feel like messing with the nut on the pinion. >> > >> >It used to squeak from the left rear wheel at slow speeds on bumps. >I >> >thought it was the spindle bearings on the lower control arm, but I >was >> >wrong. Most of the stuff had already been done a few years ago with >> >Meyle >> >etc stuff; those spherical bearings were new and smooth. Of course I >> >had >> >new OE ones, and the tool, so out they came anyway. >> > >> >Come to find the SLS struts have a spherical bearing on the bottom. >> >This >> >chassis must have over 300k on it, and I'm pretty sure these were >the >> >original struts. All oily, the little bellows things were long gone, >> >and >> >the left lower ball joint was completely dry and sticky. I got some >new >> >OE >> >sportline ones out of Germany a while back, so in they go. >> > >> >The rear springs were some dropped height aftermarket affairs. All >they >> >did >> >was wear out my rear tires on the insides. New OE sportline stuff >going >> >in. >> >Then I will have to put new ones in the front to match. >> > >> >The little toe-in eccentric links are NLA from Mercedes, so I got >some >> >Lemforders from partscontainer on ebay. I don't think Lemforder make >> >them >> >any more. >> > >> >The diff mounts are holding me up. Turns out the OE mounts are NLA. >We >> >are >> >talking like early 90s 500sl stuff. I found some in Latvia so they >are >> >probably on a boat somewhere. I even have a fancy diff mount removal >> >tool, >> >but of course it is for a non v8 w124 and the SL/500e mounts have >twice >> >the >> >diameter, so the dies on the removal tool won't work for the larger >> >mounts >> >without ripping the centers out of the old mounts. I guess I will >round >> >up >> >a generic bearing removal tool with a set of dies on ebay or amazon >to >> >get >> >the mounts out and in. If I can get the old ones out in one piece I >> >will >> >dissolve the rubber out and fill them with urethane and maybe use >them >> >in >> >the e420. >> > >> >Once I get the new 500SL diff mounted, I can measure the driveshaft >> >length >> >and see if the v8 sedan rear section will fit. >> > >> >Fortunately the rear wheel bearings had already been done by the >> >previous >> >owner. That job is supposedly a bear on the wagons because the >bearing >> >diameter is bigger and the rollers get caught somehow when pressing >it >> >out. >> >So at least I don't have to go buy a press this weekend. >> > >> >Broke the shield over the fuel pump area (I don't know what it >protects >> >on >> >the diesel cars) just ahead of the right rear wheel well. It had a >> >rounded >> >off nylon nut that was totally inaccessible with the subframe >halfway >> >out. >> >So I could not remove it. Subframe got caught on the shield and >ripped >> >a >> >corner off. Someone in NC had an old stock part. Those shields are >> >pretty >> >strong, with fiber reinforcement of some type. >> > >> >Finally got David Hendy to send me a new red wiring connector for >the >> >airbag, so that was very cool. He is a good guy. I broke the old one >> >when >> >changing the multifunction stalk out. >> > >> >I have been driving the car around with only one front seat for >awhile. >> >Amazing how roomy the car is like that. I have been procrastinating >> >doing >> >the second front seat cover. The sportline seats have more clips and >> >the >> >upper ones are super hard to install once the new cover is on. One >day. >> >The >> >original cover on the passenger 500e seat I am putting in is still >> >pretty >> >decent anyway. Driver side was shopworn with some holes. GAHH covers >> >are >> >OK, but nothing like the original leather. Maybe the original >leather >> >looked like the GAHH stuff when it was newer, but I doubt it. >> > >> >Doe
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: SL diff mounts r129
Max, despite rumors to the contrary, you CAN rebuild the dual pump. BTDT. Q got kits for me. I'd suggest ordering 2 kits, as the likelihood of buggering one seal is fairly high, or get one kit, take out the seals and buy extras at the local bearing house. The inner seal between the 2 pumps is the tricky one. They are actually pretty simple. As in any hydraulic device, keep everything in order and cleaner than surgery. For gear pumps, make sure the gears are marked and teeth engage the same teeth in the same place, etc. I'm sorry, I don't remember what I used to drive the inner seal in place. Probably a pipe and a washer/bushing Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 10/5/19 5:00 AM: If you are removing the SLS, sell me the dual circuit steering pump and the control valve. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: SL diff mounts r129
I did not know these were so fragile! I have never opened it up. How complex can it be to rehabilitate the innards? I am keeping SLS. Sorry that wasn't clear. Would have been far cheaper to ditch it, but oh well. On Sat, Oct 5, 2019 at 4:14 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Attaboy. > Max beat me to asking for the 124 SLS control valve. > I think my 2.3-16 ate another one when the spheres dies. > Mitch. > > On October 5, 2019 at 12:22 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > Swapping a 500e subframe into the 87 wagon is one of the more pointless > > things I have done, but the old one is out and I am building up the new > > frame, so no going back. Just did it to fit a 210mm diff in for a limited > > slip carrier. The whole assembly will all be new stuff, except the pinion > > seal - didn't feel like messing with the nut on the pinion. > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: SL diff mounts r129
Perfect. Just what I needed to know. Thanks. The 500e had little super hard red ones in there, so I will use them. I rarely bottom out, but it is nice to have some insurance. On Sat, Oct 5, 2019 at 5:01 AM Dan--- via Mercedes wrote: > I believe you can swap the snubbers by just removing the nut on the top of > the strut and carefully lowering the control arm enough to get the rod from > the strut out of the mount. > > I’ve done it on an R129, which has slightly different suspension. > > -D > > > On Oct 5, 2019, at 7:13 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > Attaboy. > > Max beat me to asking for the 124 SLS control valve. > > I think my 2.3-16 ate another one when the spheres dies. > > Mitch. > >> On October 5, 2019 at 12:22 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> > >> Swapping a 500e subframe into the 87 wagon is one of the more pointless > >> things I have done, but the old one is out and I am building up the new > >> frame, so no going back. Just did it to fit a 210mm diff in for a > limited > >> slip carrier. The whole assembly will all be new stuff, except the > pinion > >> seal - didn't feel like messing with the nut on the pinion. > >> > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: SL diff mounts r129
Hi Max. The SLS is going back to stock. I got two of the last 3 sportline SLS struts out of Germany for it, and sportline springs. So I will be keeping the SLS valve. I did have to selectively modify the valve mounting bracket with a 2lb hammer to get a 22mm rear 500e swaybar to fit, but other than that it will be pretty much stock sportline suspension in the end. On Sat, Oct 5, 2019 at 3:01 AM Max Dillon via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > If you are removing the SLS, sell me the dual circuit steering pump and > the control valve. > -- > Max Dillon > Charleston SC > > On October 5, 2019 12:22:14 AM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >Swapping a 500e subframe into the 87 wagon is one of the more pointless > >things I have done, but the old one is out and I am building up the new > >frame, so no going back. Just did it to fit a 210mm diff in for a > >limited > >slip carrier. The whole assembly will all be new stuff, except the > >pinion > >seal - didn't feel like messing with the nut on the pinion. > > > >It used to squeak from the left rear wheel at slow speeds on bumps. I > >thought it was the spindle bearings on the lower control arm, but I was > >wrong. Most of the stuff had already been done a few years ago with > >Meyle > >etc stuff; those spherical bearings were new and smooth. Of course I > >had > >new OE ones, and the tool, so out they came anyway. > > > >Come to find the SLS struts have a spherical bearing on the bottom. > >This > >chassis must have over 300k on it, and I'm pretty sure these were the > >original struts. All oily, the little bellows things were long gone, > >and > >the left lower ball joint was completely dry and sticky. I got some new > >OE > >sportline ones out of Germany a while back, so in they go. > > > >The rear springs were some dropped height aftermarket affairs. All they > >did > >was wear out my rear tires on the insides. New OE sportline stuff going > >in. > >Then I will have to put new ones in the front to match. > > > >The little toe-in eccentric links are NLA from Mercedes, so I got some > >Lemforders from partscontainer on ebay. I don't think Lemforder make > >them > >any more. > > > >The diff mounts are holding me up. Turns out the OE mounts are NLA. We > >are > >talking like early 90s 500sl stuff. I found some in Latvia so they are > >probably on a boat somewhere. I even have a fancy diff mount removal > >tool, > >but of course it is for a non v8 w124 and the SL/500e mounts have twice > >the > >diameter, so the dies on the removal tool won't work for the larger > >mounts > >without ripping the centers out of the old mounts. I guess I will round > >up > >a generic bearing removal tool with a set of dies on ebay or amazon to > >get > >the mounts out and in. If I can get the old ones out in one piece I > >will > >dissolve the rubber out and fill them with urethane and maybe use them > >in > >the e420. > > > >Once I get the new 500SL diff mounted, I can measure the driveshaft > >length > >and see if the v8 sedan rear section will fit. > > > >Fortunately the rear wheel bearings had already been done by the > >previous > >owner. That job is supposedly a bear on the wagons because the bearing > >diameter is bigger and the rollers get caught somehow when pressing it > >out. > >So at least I don't have to go buy a press this weekend. > > > >Broke the shield over the fuel pump area (I don't know what it protects > >on > >the diesel cars) just ahead of the right rear wheel well. It had a > >rounded > >off nylon nut that was totally inaccessible with the subframe halfway > >out. > >So I could not remove it. Subframe got caught on the shield and ripped > >a > >corner off. Someone in NC had an old stock part. Those shields are > >pretty > >strong, with fiber reinforcement of some type. > > > >Finally got David Hendy to send me a new red wiring connector for the > >airbag, so that was very cool. He is a good guy. I broke the old one > >when > >changing the multifunction stalk out. > > > >I have been driving the car around with only one front seat for awhile. > >Amazing how roomy the car is like that. I have been procrastinating > >doing > >the second front seat cover. The sportline seats have more clips and > >the > >upper ones are super hard to install once the new cover is on. One day. > >The > >original cover on the passenger 500e seat I am putting in is still > >pretty > >decent anyway. Driver side was shopworn with some holes. GAHH covers > >are > >OK, but nothing like the original leather. Maybe the original leather > >looked like the GAHH stuff when it was newer, but I doubt it. > > > >Does anyone know how to put the bump stops on the front struts? Can the > >top > >mount just be removed, or is it spring loaded? > > > >If anyone needs a non-v8 w124 diff mount tool, or the fancy one for the > >spherical spindle bearings on a 124, let me know. > >___ > >http://www.okiebenz.com > > > >To search
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: SL diff mounts r129
Waytago! Strong work! Good info! Some year I should borrow that diff mount tool. What Dan said for the strut bumpers. +1 Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote on 10/4/19 11:22 PM: Swapping a 500e subframe into the 87 wagon is one of the more pointless things I have done, but the old one is out and I am building up the new frame, so no going back. Just did it to fit a 210mm diff in for a limited slip carrier. The whole assembly will all be new stuff, except the pinion seal - didn't feel like messing with the nut on the pinion. It used to squeak from the left rear wheel at slow speeds on bumps. I thought it was the spindle bearings on the lower control arm, but I was wrong. Most of the stuff had already been done a few years ago with Meyle etc stuff; those spherical bearings were new and smooth. Of course I had new OE ones, and the tool, so out they came anyway. Come to find the SLS struts have a spherical bearing on the bottom. This chassis must have over 300k on it, and I'm pretty sure these were the original struts. All oily, the little bellows things were long gone, and the left lower ball joint was completely dry and sticky. I got some new OE sportline ones out of Germany a while back, so in they go. The rear springs were some dropped height aftermarket affairs. All they did was wear out my rear tires on the insides. New OE sportline stuff going in. Then I will have to put new ones in the front to match. The little toe-in eccentric links are NLA from Mercedes, so I got some Lemforders from partscontainer on ebay. I don't think Lemforder make them any more. The diff mounts are holding me up. Turns out the OE mounts are NLA. We are talking like early 90s 500sl stuff. I found some in Latvia so they are probably on a boat somewhere. I even have a fancy diff mount removal tool, but of course it is for a non v8 w124 and the SL/500e mounts have twice the diameter, so the dies on the removal tool won't work for the larger mounts without ripping the centers out of the old mounts. I guess I will round up a generic bearing removal tool with a set of dies on ebay or amazon to get the mounts out and in. If I can get the old ones out in one piece I will dissolve the rubber out and fill them with urethane and maybe use them in the e420. Once I get the new 500SL diff mounted, I can measure the driveshaft length and see if the v8 sedan rear section will fit. Fortunately the rear wheel bearings had already been done by the previous owner. That job is supposedly a bear on the wagons because the bearing diameter is bigger and the rollers get caught somehow when pressing it out. So at least I don't have to go buy a press this weekend. Broke the shield over the fuel pump area (I don't know what it protects on the diesel cars) just ahead of the right rear wheel well. It had a rounded off nylon nut that was totally inaccessible with the subframe halfway out. So I could not remove it. Subframe got caught on the shield and ripped a corner off. Someone in NC had an old stock part. Those shields are pretty strong, with fiber reinforcement of some type. Finally got David Hendy to send me a new red wiring connector for the airbag, so that was very cool. He is a good guy. I broke the old one when changing the multifunction stalk out. I have been driving the car around with only one front seat for awhile. Amazing how roomy the car is like that. I have been procrastinating doing the second front seat cover. The sportline seats have more clips and the upper ones are super hard to install once the new cover is on. One day. The original cover on the passenger 500e seat I am putting in is still pretty decent anyway. Driver side was shopworn with some holes. GAHH covers are OK, but nothing like the original leather. Maybe the original leather looked like the GAHH stuff when it was newer, but I doubt it. Does anyone know how to put the bump stops on the front struts? Can the top mount just be removed, or is it spring loaded? If anyone needs a non-v8 w124 diff mount tool, or the fancy one for the spherical spindle bearings on a 124, let me know. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: SL diff mounts r129
I believe you can swap the snubbers by just removing the nut on the top of the strut and carefully lowering the control arm enough to get the rod from the strut out of the mount. I’ve done it on an R129, which has slightly different suspension. -D > On Oct 5, 2019, at 7:13 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes > wrote: > > Attaboy. > Max beat me to asking for the 124 SLS control valve. > I think my 2.3-16 ate another one when the spheres dies. > Mitch. >> On October 5, 2019 at 12:22 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> >> Swapping a 500e subframe into the 87 wagon is one of the more pointless >> things I have done, but the old one is out and I am building up the new >> frame, so no going back. Just did it to fit a 210mm diff in for a limited >> slip carrier. The whole assembly will all be new stuff, except the pinion >> seal - didn't feel like messing with the nut on the pinion. >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: SL diff mounts r129
Attaboy. Max beat me to asking for the 124 SLS control valve. I think my 2.3-16 ate another one when the spheres dies. Mitch. > On October 5, 2019 at 12:22 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes > wrote: > > > Swapping a 500e subframe into the 87 wagon is one of the more pointless > things I have done, but the old one is out and I am building up the new > frame, so no going back. Just did it to fit a 210mm diff in for a limited > slip carrier. The whole assembly will all be new stuff, except the pinion > seal - didn't feel like messing with the nut on the pinion. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: SL diff mounts r129
If you are removing the SLS, sell me the dual circuit steering pump and the control valve. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC On October 5, 2019 12:22:14 AM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote: >Swapping a 500e subframe into the 87 wagon is one of the more pointless >things I have done, but the old one is out and I am building up the new >frame, so no going back. Just did it to fit a 210mm diff in for a >limited >slip carrier. The whole assembly will all be new stuff, except the >pinion >seal - didn't feel like messing with the nut on the pinion. > >It used to squeak from the left rear wheel at slow speeds on bumps. I >thought it was the spindle bearings on the lower control arm, but I was >wrong. Most of the stuff had already been done a few years ago with >Meyle >etc stuff; those spherical bearings were new and smooth. Of course I >had >new OE ones, and the tool, so out they came anyway. > >Come to find the SLS struts have a spherical bearing on the bottom. >This >chassis must have over 300k on it, and I'm pretty sure these were the >original struts. All oily, the little bellows things were long gone, >and >the left lower ball joint was completely dry and sticky. I got some new >OE >sportline ones out of Germany a while back, so in they go. > >The rear springs were some dropped height aftermarket affairs. All they >did >was wear out my rear tires on the insides. New OE sportline stuff going >in. >Then I will have to put new ones in the front to match. > >The little toe-in eccentric links are NLA from Mercedes, so I got some >Lemforders from partscontainer on ebay. I don't think Lemforder make >them >any more. > >The diff mounts are holding me up. Turns out the OE mounts are NLA. We >are >talking like early 90s 500sl stuff. I found some in Latvia so they are >probably on a boat somewhere. I even have a fancy diff mount removal >tool, >but of course it is for a non v8 w124 and the SL/500e mounts have twice >the >diameter, so the dies on the removal tool won't work for the larger >mounts >without ripping the centers out of the old mounts. I guess I will round >up >a generic bearing removal tool with a set of dies on ebay or amazon to >get >the mounts out and in. If I can get the old ones out in one piece I >will >dissolve the rubber out and fill them with urethane and maybe use them >in >the e420. > >Once I get the new 500SL diff mounted, I can measure the driveshaft >length >and see if the v8 sedan rear section will fit. > >Fortunately the rear wheel bearings had already been done by the >previous >owner. That job is supposedly a bear on the wagons because the bearing >diameter is bigger and the rollers get caught somehow when pressing it >out. >So at least I don't have to go buy a press this weekend. > >Broke the shield over the fuel pump area (I don't know what it protects >on >the diesel cars) just ahead of the right rear wheel well. It had a >rounded >off nylon nut that was totally inaccessible with the subframe halfway >out. >So I could not remove it. Subframe got caught on the shield and ripped >a >corner off. Someone in NC had an old stock part. Those shields are >pretty >strong, with fiber reinforcement of some type. > >Finally got David Hendy to send me a new red wiring connector for the >airbag, so that was very cool. He is a good guy. I broke the old one >when >changing the multifunction stalk out. > >I have been driving the car around with only one front seat for awhile. >Amazing how roomy the car is like that. I have been procrastinating >doing >the second front seat cover. The sportline seats have more clips and >the >upper ones are super hard to install once the new cover is on. One day. >The >original cover on the passenger 500e seat I am putting in is still >pretty >decent anyway. Driver side was shopworn with some holes. GAHH covers >are >OK, but nothing like the original leather. Maybe the original leather >looked like the GAHH stuff when it was newer, but I doubt it. > >Does anyone know how to put the bump stops on the front struts? Can the >top >mount just be removed, or is it spring loaded? > >If anyone needs a non-v8 w124 diff mount tool, or the fancy one for the >spherical spindle bearings on a 124, let me know. >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com > >To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Fwd: SL diff mounts r129
Swapping a 500e subframe into the 87 wagon is one of the more pointless things I have done, but the old one is out and I am building up the new frame, so no going back. Just did it to fit a 210mm diff in for a limited slip carrier. The whole assembly will all be new stuff, except the pinion seal - didn't feel like messing with the nut on the pinion. It used to squeak from the left rear wheel at slow speeds on bumps. I thought it was the spindle bearings on the lower control arm, but I was wrong. Most of the stuff had already been done a few years ago with Meyle etc stuff; those spherical bearings were new and smooth. Of course I had new OE ones, and the tool, so out they came anyway. Come to find the SLS struts have a spherical bearing on the bottom. This chassis must have over 300k on it, and I'm pretty sure these were the original struts. All oily, the little bellows things were long gone, and the left lower ball joint was completely dry and sticky. I got some new OE sportline ones out of Germany a while back, so in they go. The rear springs were some dropped height aftermarket affairs. All they did was wear out my rear tires on the insides. New OE sportline stuff going in. Then I will have to put new ones in the front to match. The little toe-in eccentric links are NLA from Mercedes, so I got some Lemforders from partscontainer on ebay. I don't think Lemforder make them any more. The diff mounts are holding me up. Turns out the OE mounts are NLA. We are talking like early 90s 500sl stuff. I found some in Latvia so they are probably on a boat somewhere. I even have a fancy diff mount removal tool, but of course it is for a non v8 w124 and the SL/500e mounts have twice the diameter, so the dies on the removal tool won't work for the larger mounts without ripping the centers out of the old mounts. I guess I will round up a generic bearing removal tool with a set of dies on ebay or amazon to get the mounts out and in. If I can get the old ones out in one piece I will dissolve the rubber out and fill them with urethane and maybe use them in the e420. Once I get the new 500SL diff mounted, I can measure the driveshaft length and see if the v8 sedan rear section will fit. Fortunately the rear wheel bearings had already been done by the previous owner. That job is supposedly a bear on the wagons because the bearing diameter is bigger and the rollers get caught somehow when pressing it out. So at least I don't have to go buy a press this weekend. Broke the shield over the fuel pump area (I don't know what it protects on the diesel cars) just ahead of the right rear wheel well. It had a rounded off nylon nut that was totally inaccessible with the subframe halfway out. So I could not remove it. Subframe got caught on the shield and ripped a corner off. Someone in NC had an old stock part. Those shields are pretty strong, with fiber reinforcement of some type. Finally got David Hendy to send me a new red wiring connector for the airbag, so that was very cool. He is a good guy. I broke the old one when changing the multifunction stalk out. I have been driving the car around with only one front seat for awhile. Amazing how roomy the car is like that. I have been procrastinating doing the second front seat cover. The sportline seats have more clips and the upper ones are super hard to install once the new cover is on. One day. The original cover on the passenger 500e seat I am putting in is still pretty decent anyway. Driver side was shopworn with some holes. GAHH covers are OK, but nothing like the original leather. Maybe the original leather looked like the GAHH stuff when it was newer, but I doubt it. Does anyone know how to put the bump stops on the front struts? Can the top mount just be removed, or is it spring loaded? If anyone needs a non-v8 w124 diff mount tool, or the fancy one for the spherical spindle bearings on a 124, let me know. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
