Re: [MBZ] Instead of purge?

2006-12-29 Thread LT Don

I used it to fill the fuel filter on my VW diesel about a month ago.
Smoothed things right out, just like diesel purge does. Good stuff.

On 12/27/06, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I'm surprised Marshall  hasn't come down HARD on  anyone using  a
non-MB approved additive.





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Re: [MBZ] Instead of purge?

2006-12-29 Thread Steve MacSween
on 12/27/06 1:05 PM, Curt Raymond at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-QIWu_M-HU
 
 I'm not sure but it looks like a Jetta TDI and it looks like they just dump
 seafoam into the intake... I can't imagine why that new a car would need
 decarboning...

The use of a VERY small amount of water poured into the intake is an
old-time wrench trick for decarbonization. I have actually seen a guy do it
with varsol as well, but let's just say I stood well back. HOwever, I can
confirm the varsol worked like a charm (it was a Mazda gas engine).

VW TDIs from the Gen2 onward do actually have a chronic intake crud
accumulation problem, particularly automatics that never see much highway
use.  

mac




Re: [MBZ] Instead of purge?

2006-12-29 Thread Marshall Booth

Steve MacSween wrote:

on 12/27/06 1:05 PM, Curt Raymond at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-QIWu_M-HU

I'm not sure but it looks like a Jetta TDI and it looks like they just dump
seafoam into the intake... I can't imagine why that new a car would need
decarboning...


The use of a VERY small amount of water poured into the intake is an
old-time wrench trick for decarbonization. I have actually seen a guy do it
with varsol as well, but let's just say I stood well back. HOwever, I can
confirm the varsol worked like a charm (it was a Mazda gas engine).

VW TDIs from the Gen2 onward do actually have a chronic intake crud
accumulation problem, particularly automatics that never see much highway
use.  


ANY diesel engine with EGR (they all have EGR now) that is driven 
conservatively WILL have intake crud accumulation. Mobil 1 minimizes it 
but won't eliminate it if all the driving is city. Exclusive highway 
driving can prevent it from forming.


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Re: [MBZ] Instead of purge?

2006-12-28 Thread andrew strasfogel

I'm surprised Marshall  hasn't come down HARD on  anyone using  a
non-MB approved additive.


On 12/27/06, Werner Fehlauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

For gas or other fuel engines, the old John Deere admonition of buy clean
fuel, and keep it clean applies.  And the best way to keep carbs on older
and small engines clean is to make sure that only clean fuel is in the
system, that it is consumed totally at frequent intervals, and if put away
for extended periods, add a bit of gas stabilizer.  Once a small engine carb
gets gummed up with old summer fuel, the only way to really clean it is with
a complete disassembly and rebuild, not a pleasant task.  And if you don't
have any gas stabilizer, then just run the engine completely out of fuel
before putting it away.
For Diesels, you just need to run enough fuel through the system to keep the
water content under control so that algae can't build up.  That means to run
it enough (at least 15k miles a year?) so that the fuel in the tank and
plumbing doesn't get old.  Proper filter maintenance should protect the IP
and injectors so that snake oils shouldn't be needed.

Werner

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 Its a gas additive, works a champ in gas engines. I put some in my 240D
 once, seemed to sequester water fine.

 It was only 3 weeks ago I'd heard about running it directly into an
 engine. A guy in one of my classes had run it into a vacuum port on his
 late model Audi.
 Now the car runs like garbabge and aparently needs all new injectors...

 I've got a snowmobile that needs a carb cleaning. The float needles like
 to stick on those, I'm thinking to run a small can of premix (that is gas
 and oil, its a 2 stroke) with a good slug of seafoam and see if it helps.
 My Cub Cadet also has a dirty carb. I may try plumbing some purge in
 direct...

 Its supposed to be good fuel stabilizer too but I haven't really tried it
 for that.

 Decent stuff but I'll stick with Purge for my Benz.

 -Curt


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Re: [MBZ] Instead of purge?

2006-12-28 Thread Marshall Booth

andrew strasfogel wrote:

I'm surprised Marshall  hasn't come down HARD on  anyone using  a
non-MB approved additive.


I don't much care what people do to VWs - especially gasoline VWs.

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Re: [MBZ] Instead of purge?

2006-12-28 Thread Curt Raymond

I wonder how many tractor manufacturers had that abnomition. My '52 IH Super M 
has the same thing on the gas cap.

-Curt

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For gas or other fuel engines, the old John Deere admonition of buy 
clean 
fuel, and keep it clean applies.  And the best way to keep carbs on 
older 
and small engines clean is to make sure that only clean fuel is in the 
system, that it is consumed totally at frequent intervals, and if put 

snip

Werner

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1981 240D for sale 225,000 miles everything works except cruise.  Power
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Re: [MBZ] Instead of purge?

2006-12-28 Thread Curt Raymond

Well I've only ever used Seafoam in my Benz as a water sequestering agent which 
is one of the things they advertise it for on a diesel application.

Marshall usually says to use a water sequestering agent a couple times a year...

-Curt

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non-MB approved additive.

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Re: [MBZ] Instead of purge?

2006-12-28 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

Thats not doing the car any favors.

Curt Raymond wrote:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-QIWu_M-HU

I'm not sure but it looks like a Jetta TDI and it looks like they just dump 
seafoam into the intake... I can't imagine why that new a car would need 
decarboning...

-Curt

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[MBZ] Instead of purge?

2006-12-27 Thread Curt Raymond
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-QIWu_M-HU

I'm not sure but it looks like a Jetta TDI and it looks like they just dump 
seafoam into the intake... I can't imagine why that new a car would need 
decarboning...

-Curt

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I work at Palo Verde, unit 2.
Not sure of the NERC ID or the RTO...heck, I don't even know exactly what 
is.
I'm just an A.O...

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 Bob,

 Which plant do you work out of and what's the NERC ID? I'm curious
 which RTO you are under.

 Ed

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 As most know, I work at the old nuke plant out in the middle of the 
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 Being Auxiliary Operators (A.O.), my brethern and I operate and monitor
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 eyes
 and ears in the plant. We are not the coddled, well paid licensed 
 reactor
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  Also, I remember from my days working at the service station a few 
  plates
  that come to mind at the moment:
 
  The daughter of a doctor that had an account at the station. She'd come
  in,
  fill up, sign the ticket and leave none the poorer, hot chick that she
  was.
  Licence plate: SNAAB. You can guess the type of car.
 
  The guy in the yellow Cadillac with plate: DUG4IT. Don't know if he was
  referring to his success or if he literally was into mining for 
  precious
  metal or what. He was a first class AHOLE who routinely ran the pump 
  over
  a
  few cents and left. When I confronted him about in once, he simply said 
  it
  was my fault.
 
  The reported wife of the head of the Bonano crime family. Also drove a
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  She acted the part - not overtly rude - in fact nicer than a lot of our
  full-serve customers - but very confident and not to be bothered.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Instead of purge?

2006-12-27 Thread Bob Rentfro

It looks kinda like kids being kids.
What is this seafoam stuff? Is it gonna put diesel purge in the history 
books?


Bob R


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-QIWu_M-HU

I'm not sure but it looks like a Jetta TDI and it looks like they just 
dump seafoam into the intake... I can't imagine why that new a car would 
need decarboning...


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Re: [MBZ] Instead of purge?

2006-12-27 Thread Christopher McCann
especially direct injection which carbons up far less than an  indirect 
injection...blows out much more easily, which is why idling  tractor rigs is 
not a problem.
  
  2 cents.
  
  Chris
  
  

Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-QIWu_M-HU

I'm  not sure but it looks like a Jetta TDI and it looks like they just dump  
seafoam into the intake... I can't imagine why that new a car would  need 
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Probably had to wait for another payday...

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 several
 months ago in hope of improving shifting. Now I'm about to switch to the
 same for the engine and see how it acts if it ever gets cold this winter
 like it should be. We've sort of had Fall in December this year, with the
 exception of a few frigid days.

 Brian
 83 240D
 84 Saab 900

 John wrote:

 There were a few Marshalls on those lists and all said synthetic in
 the manual gearboxes and MB antifreeze
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Re: [MBZ] Instead of purge?

2006-12-27 Thread Curt Raymond

Its a gas additive, works a champ in gas engines. I put some in my 240D once, 
seemed to sequester water fine.

It was only 3 weeks ago I'd heard about running it directly into an engine. A 
guy in one of my classes had run it into a vacuum port on his late model Audi.
Now the car runs like garbabge and aparently needs all new injectors...

I've got a snowmobile that needs a carb cleaning. The float needles like to 
stick on those, I'm thinking to run a small can of premix (that is gas and oil, 
its a 2 stroke) with a good slug of seafoam and see if it helps.
My Cub Cadet also has a dirty carb. I may try plumbing some purge in direct...

Its supposed to be good fuel stabilizer too but I haven't really tried it for 
that.

Decent stuff but I'll stick with Purge for my Benz.

-Curt

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It looks kinda like kids being kids.
What is this seafoam stuff? Is it gonna put diesel purge in the history 
books?

Bob R

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Not to mention that pnzrwgn that tried to run on fumes once or twice..
Werner

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] license plate fun


 Actually, I was focussed on the gas models because of the 280 lead in.
 I
 could NEVER forget the indomitable concours and autocross-winning Pnzrwgn.



 On 12/27/06, Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Andrew,

 You forgot the W116 300SD.  From '92, until I sold it this year I
 had the Vanity Plate PNZRWGN in both VA and AZ..

 Wonderful car and truly bulletproof..

 Take care,

 Chuck
 Phoenix AZ  Kailua HI (til 1/6)




Re: [MBZ] Instead of purge?

2006-12-27 Thread Werner Fehlauer
For gas or other fuel engines, the old John Deere admonition of buy clean 
fuel, and keep it clean applies.  And the best way to keep carbs on older 
and small engines clean is to make sure that only clean fuel is in the 
system, that it is consumed totally at frequent intervals, and if put away 
for extended periods, add a bit of gas stabilizer.  Once a small engine carb 
gets gummed up with old summer fuel, the only way to really clean it is with 
a complete disassembly and rebuild, not a pleasant task.  And if you don't 
have any gas stabilizer, then just run the engine completely out of fuel 
before putting it away.
For Diesels, you just need to run enough fuel through the system to keep the 
water content under control so that algae can't build up.  That means to run 
it enough (at least 15k miles a year?) so that the fuel in the tank and 
plumbing doesn't get old.  Proper filter maintenance should protect the IP 
and injectors so that snake oils shouldn't be needed.


Werner

- Original Message - 
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Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Instead of purge?




Its a gas additive, works a champ in gas engines. I put some in my 240D 
once, seemed to sequester water fine.


It was only 3 weeks ago I'd heard about running it directly into an 
engine. A guy in one of my classes had run it into a vacuum port on his 
late model Audi.

Now the car runs like garbabge and aparently needs all new injectors...

I've got a snowmobile that needs a carb cleaning. The float needles like 
to stick on those, I'm thinking to run a small can of premix (that is gas 
and oil, its a 2 stroke) with a good slug of seafoam and see if it helps.
My Cub Cadet also has a dirty carb. I may try plumbing some purge in 
direct...


Its supposed to be good fuel stabilizer too but I haven't really tried it 
for that.


Decent stuff but I'll stick with Purge for my Benz.

-Curt