Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 Truck & SUV
Yoinks! I'm a big fan of stretching oil changes, 15kmi would be awesome. Thanks for the advice Marshall, I'll try not to be such a wuss this time. I expect last time I only got ~4 quarts of oil out which would mean more like 30% dilution but I see what you're saying, its probably no big deal. -Curt Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:29:23 -0400 From: Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 Truck & SUV To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed *SNIP* A friend just changed from Delo 400 oil (changed every 15kmi) in his 2000 Peterbilt (with CAT C-15 engine and about 700kmi on it) to Delvac 1 and the shop suggested that he run an analysis and change filters at 25kmi and again at 50kmi. They predicted he could go at least 50kmi between changes (every 6 months rather than every month and a half). The engine sump holds 12 gallons. He expects (with just a little luck) the engine to go 1-1.5 million miles before it needs to be rebuilt. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired) - Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Jun 28 22:10:06 2006 Received: from web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.206.34]) by server8.arterytc8.net with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FviEY-0004hb-D3 for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 22:10:06 + Received: (qmail 45228 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jun 2006 22:09:56 - Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: from [198.51.119.130] by web32804.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:09:56 PDT Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:09:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.7.cp2 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil thread X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.7.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: <http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: List-Post: <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 22:10:07 - Sure is a "Rusty" for small engines. I was off by $10, its $390. http://www.smallenginewarehouse.com/ProductList.asp?Category=Engine&Supplier=Briggs its the vertical shaft 13.5hp with an oil filter. Best bang for your buck in that size. -Curt Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:14:58 -0700 From: Van Cleve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil thread To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message: 2 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 06:10:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil thread To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 That sounds like an outrageously good price for a 13 1/2 hp engine. The best price I could find on a 11 1/2 hp Briggs was over $700. Is there a "Rustys" For lawn mowers? Regards Steve "85" Euro 240D, 5 spd manual, 110K "79" 240D, 5 spd manual, 20K on eng rebuild "94" Dodge/Cummins PU, 100K "82" TD project wagon "64" VW Bug "65" D15, AC tractor - Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Jun 28 23:04:30 2006 Received: from pop-tawny.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([207.69.195.67]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fvj5C-0001FU-5J for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 23:04:30 + Received: from dialup-4.224.39.53.dial1.cincinnati1.level3.net ([4.224.39.53]) by pop-tawny.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1Fvj53-0001cs-00 for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 19:04:22 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cont
Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 Truck & SUV
Curt Raymond wrote: I mean I had 15w50 oil in it but it was apparently only a 40wt oil when hot. I expect thats thinning due to contamination from old oil leftover in the crankcase. I was also concerned that the Iron in the oil seemed a bit high. It was only the first oil change since I'd bought the car so I'm considering it a cleanout conversion. The other thing I need to do is get the next sample tested for TBN. Larry T informs me that the TBN had been a limiting factor in his early analysis but thats before the 15w50 when to EP 15w50 so we'll see how it holds up. -Curt Don't spend any time worrying about the measured viscosity only being "40". A diesel rated oil with a viscosity of 40 has more than sufficient film strength to adequately protect your engine and MORE film strength isn't any better than enough! An engine protected by oil that's 85% group IV synthetic and 15% conventional oil will be only slightly less well protected than one that is filled with 100% synthetic. I expect that NO detriment could be found until temps got WAY below zero (F). Whenever you change the oil in your car (601.921 engine) there will be about a qt of old oil that remains in the engine. You can't get it out even if you turn the car upside down and shake it! You'd need to tear the engine completely apart to get it all out. Don't bother to try. That's all calculated into the change interval that's used. I'm pretty sure that's true of every Mercedes made since the early '70s. That means that you are mixing about 6 qt of fresh oil with one qt of old oil every time you change the oil. That's ONE reason why the oil seems black within minutes of changing the oil. The soot level does NOT drop by 100% but only by ~85% - and that much soot (that's ~0.3% if the soot level of the old oil had reached 2%) will make the oil appear black - and it only seems marginally "blacker" to me when the soot level reaches 2% (the color of the oil is a poor way to judge when it needs to be changed). I have no problem with you testing TBN, but if you find that it's outside the usable range, then there is something REALLY wrong with your engine. As long as the TBN is a positive number (above 2-3), then there is NO problem. Using fuel available today in the US, modern diesel rated oil should have no trouble neutralizing acid by-products for 50kmi or more (TBN is a measure of how much acid the oil can neutralize)!! Once the ULSD fuel is introduced, TBN will be even less challenged (less sulfur, less acid by-products). Currently, the primary factor limiting oil change interval in Mercedes diesels is soot levels, NOT TBN. Mercedes eliminates soot from their auto engines by changing the oil! Some makers try to filter it, and others dilute it by using 10-20X as much oil as is used in a Mercedes diesel in an engine that's only 2-3X as large as yours so the interval between oil changes can be increased 5-10X. A friend just changed from Delo 400 oil (changed every 15kmi) in his 2000 Peterbilt (with CAT C-15 engine and about 700kmi on it) to Delvac 1 and the shop suggested that he run an analysis and change filters at 25kmi and again at 50kmi. They predicted he could go at least 50kmi between changes (every 6 months rather than every month and a half). The engine sump holds 12 gallons. He expects (with just a little luck) the engine to go 1-1.5 million miles before it needs to be rebuilt. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
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Curt Raymond wrote: Yup, 90 miles a day. Analysis at ~5000 miles showed soot at .6% but grade had fallen to 40. I think I was sloppy and didn't get all the old conventional oil out, it was February, I was working outside, sue me. I took another sample when I changed at ~7300 miles, we'll see what that shows. Changing the oil when the soot level is 0.6% is wasting more than 2/3rds of the soot suspension standard that Mercedes sets (which is 1/2 of what most manufacturers set as a limit). If soot levels increase in a linear manner (may or may not) then based on what you've said, the oil is likely to be changed after~ 15,000+ miles. I don't have ANY idea what "grade had fallen to 40" means, but in a properly running Mercedes diesel, soot capacity is by far the most challenging spec. when running a group IV or IV/V synthetic oil. Base number even after 25-30kmi should still be entirely adequate even using a CF rated oil and with a CH-4 or CI-4 oil it should last a LOT longer. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 Truck & SUV
Yup, 90 miles a day. Analysis at ~5000 miles showed soot at .6% but grade had fallen to 40. I think I was sloppy and didn't get all the old conventional oil out, it was February, I was working outside, sue me. I took another sample when I changed at ~7300 miles, we'll see what that shows. -Curt Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 12:33:05 -0400 From: Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 Truck & SUV To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed If you are driving 90 miles a day, I think that 10-15kmi oil change intervals MAY be possible. An oil analysis (that includes soot %) at about 7kmi should be the starting point. That could work out to a change about twice a year! Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired) - Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Jun 27 21:53:14 2006 Received: from mxa.windwireless.net ([199.164.167.40]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FvLUg-0002QE-O8 for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 21:53:14 + Received: from dogear.com (dhcp-206-63-95-24.dialup.windwireless.net [206.63.95.24] (may be forged)) by mxa.windwireless.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k5RLrqx1009488 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 14:53:52 -0700 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 14:53:11 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Mercedes Discussion List Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scan: smtp-vilter X-SMTP-Vilter-Version: 1.1.0rc2 X-SMTP-Vilter-Backend: Clam AntiVirus Daemon (clamd) X-SMTP-Vilter-Status: clean X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0rc4 (mxa.windwireless.net [199.164.167.40]); Tue, 27 Jun 2006 14:53:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] Do any shops in the NW do R12 A/C service anymore? X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.7.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: <http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: List-Post: <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 21:53:15 - > Hey Jim, thanks for the link. Are you still running the > isobutane/propane > mix in your rigs? I was recently given an ancient Bear brand A/C > recovery Yah, you betcha. Went out to lunch today in the 450 SL (still for sale guys!) and the car's outdoor thermometer read 95-100 degrees. The AC was blowing nice cold air on me, courtesy of $7 worth of R600a/R290. > hoses and fittings. I gather it would be unwise to operate the vehicle > without an auxillary electric fan, eh? You'd probably get away with it, especially if your system has an overpressure cutout. (I think they do by then.) You could always wire the aux fan power lead to a relay to cut out the AC compressor, if you were worried about it. > I have the R-12 gauges, vacuum pump and new dryer, but I guess I > should get > an IR thermometer and some isobutane at the local outdoor store, but I > don't > know where to find mineral oil (there's currently none in the system > right I got mine at Schuck's. NAPA might be another source. The IR thermometer is handy, but not absolutely necessary. > now). Not sure what to tell my co-worker, a local shop's phonebook ad > says > they work on R12 systems, but their website indicates that these must > be > converted to 134a. I think the typical older vehicle owner is ass-out. Yep. You could co-op with your coworker, split the cost of any capital equipment required (gauge set? thermometer? beer?) to do the cars, and do them both together. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 Truck & SUV
Curt Raymond wrote: The 3 quarts I was able to get at Wal-Mart were like $5.40 a quart or so (don't remember exactly) and the 6 quarts I picked up at Autozone got me case pricing of like $36.50 or so (again not sure). Without the case price the Autozone oil was almost exactly $1/quart more, by the case of 6 it was a bit less. Frankly the ability to change the oil once every quarter while still driving 90 miles a day is worth it to me. If it takes me an hour to change the oil thats around $25 for my labor, plus like $8 for the filter which pretty nearly pays for the oil right there. I changed at 7,000 miles, soot was at .6% but the grade had fallen to sae 40 I'm guessing because of of leftover conventional oil from my last change, hey it was February and I was working fast... If you are driving 90 miles a day, I think that 10-15kmi oil change intervals MAY be possible. An oil analysis (that includes soot %) at about 7kmi should be the starting point. That could work out to a change about twice a year! Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 Truck & SUV
The 3 quarts I was able to get at Wal-Mart were like $5.40 a quart or so (don't remember exactly) and the 6 quarts I picked up at Autozone got me case pricing of like $36.50 or so (again not sure). Without the case price the Autozone oil was almost exactly $1/quart more, by the case of 6 it was a bit less. Frankly the ability to change the oil once every quarter while still driving 90 miles a day is worth it to me. If it takes me an hour to change the oil thats around $25 for my labor, plus like $8 for the filter which pretty nearly pays for the oil right there. I changed at 7,000 miles, soot was at .6% but the grade had fallen to sae 40 I'm guessing because of of leftover conventional oil from my last change, hey it was February and I was working fast... -Curt Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 23:47:26 -0500 From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 Truck & SUV To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed so how much are they getting it for? Curt Raymond wrote: > I've officially given up on Wal-Mart for pretty much anything. Everytime I got its a crapshoot if they're going to have ANY Mobil 1 I can use. I don't understand how they can have 200 gallons of 10w30, 5w30 and 5w20 and 3 quarts of 15w50... I mean if the 15w50 sells so well why couldn't you stock more of it? Doesn't make any kind of sense. > > So this weekend I discovered that if I call our local Autozone on Monday and tell him I want 9 quarts of 15w50 on Friday he'll have it when I get there and ask. I found this out after ranting about Wal-Mart stupidly not having any. He's going to check on 5w40 for me too. > > -Curt - Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Jun 27 13:57:54 2006 Received: from web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.206.44]) by server8.arterytc8.net with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FvE4g-0006E5-8Z for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 13:57:54 + Received: (qmail 35637 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jun 2006 13:57:46 - Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: from [198.51.119.130] by web32814.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 06:57:46 PDT Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 06:57:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.7.cp2 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Would like to use smaller fan belt and bybass AC X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.7.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: <http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: List-Post: <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 13:57:54 - I could check my records but when I took the belt off the AC pump on my 240D I don't remember seeing ANY difference in fuel economy. Maybe 1mpg but thats hard to see even over 10,000 miles. -Curt Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 23:17:37 -0700 From: Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Would like to use smaller fan belt and bybass AC pulley. What size do I need? For 1987 300D turbo To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > I would like to bypass my AC compressor and use a smaller fanbelt that > will not attach to the AC compressor pulley. My system does not work, > and would rather get the somewhat improved mileage. I would think that in Yakima that AC would be somewhat desirable. What's wrong with it? Anyway, assuming nobody can look up the belt length you need you could always take a string and run it around the new path and measure the length. Try to put the tensioner in the normal place first, or account for it somehow. You might be able to use string to measure between two fixed points along the belt path that includes the AC pulley, then stretch a chord that excludes it, then take the difference and subtract that from the stock length. However, I don't think that the 'load' of an uncoupled AC compressor would even be noticeable at the fuel pump. Certainly not enough to even pay for the new shorter belt, IMHO. -- Jim
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so how much are they getting it for? Curt Raymond wrote: I've officially given up on Wal-Mart for pretty much anything. Everytime I got its a crapshoot if they're going to have ANY Mobil 1 I can use. I don't understand how they can have 200 gallons of 10w30, 5w30 and 5w20 and 3 quarts of 15w50... I mean if the 15w50 sells so well why couldn't you stock more of it? Doesn't make any kind of sense. So this weekend I discovered that if I call our local Autozone on Monday and tell him I want 9 quarts of 15w50 on Friday he'll have it when I get there and ask. I found this out after ranting about Wal-Mart stupidly not having any. He's going to check on 5w40 for me too. -Curt Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:28:26 -0700 From: Kevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 Truck & SUV To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii FWIW, I stopped browsing walmart in search of 5W40 mobil 1 and picked up some delvac 1 from a truck stop in paso robles. Little expensive, but far cheaper than the mobil 1 distributor up here wanted for them. Couldn't wait any longer for turbodiesel truck to appear. K - Ring'em or ping'em. Make PC-to-phone calls as low as 1¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
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Thats interesting, hope it actually pans out. I might consider switching to m1 again. George Larribeau wrote: Correction: Mobil 5W-30 Truck and SUV formula IS rated CD & CF so is suitable for light duty diesel service. Doesn't seem to meet ACEA B-3, B-4 so it's inferior to other M-1 oils. http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lubes/PDS/GLXXENPVLMOMobil1_Truck_SUV_5W-30.asp Marshall I called the Mobil 1 tech support at 800 662 4542. Basically they were very apologetic for the SNAFU that the 're-labeling' has caused. Currently Autozone is scheduled to pick up stocking of the 'Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck 5W-40' This was directly commutated as a done deal with the word 'immediately' used. Wallmart and the others are to follow but did not get a firm answer as to their commitment and or schedule. The rep was aware that the re-labeling has caused a stocking problem at many (all?) of their consumer outlets of this product and has not be beneficial to their marketing of it. The target consumer of it is diesel pickup truck owners. He (the rep) told me that 'Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck 5W-40' is Delvac 1 and is no different that the 'discontinued' Mobil 1 Truck and SUV 5W-40. However all the above was verily commutated over the telephone . George Larribeau Dallas, Texas 1985 300SD 190K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
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Craig typed: "Ah, an OIL thread! It's been a while since we've had one!" They are always lurkingthey never are really done Bob Rentfro
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On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 20:31:05 -0500 "LT Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You are an engineer, aren't you? I can smell them -- my son is one. Ah, an OIL thread! It's been a while since we've had one! Craig
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Well, at least I'm not being slammed by some so called scientist that deliberately miss-understands my comments as I am on the photography group! Peter
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Ok, my daughter has her M.S. from George Mason in microbiology. I knew your logic sounded familiar, and just picked the wrong kid. :-) Don On 6/26/06, Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: No, actually a biologist, but science is science, engineering is just applied science. The greatest challenge in life is communication. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- "There're always enemies, George. Jesus had enemies." -- Tom Clancy, _Executive Orders_ 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
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Instead of arbitrarily changing the oil, send a sample to Larry, and findout what condition it's in. He'll even report the hot viscosity. On 6/26/06, LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You are an engineer, aren't you? I can smell them -- my son is one. On 6/26/06, Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Actually, viscosity ratings are more complicated. In the old days, you > have an oil of a particular viscosity (actually flow rate at a certain > temperature). Petroleum based oils have a significant change of > viscosity with change in temperature character -- when hot, they get > VERY thin. When cold, of course, they aquire the flow characteristics > of molassas, what ever the room temperature viscosity. > > The solution was to add materials that didn't change viscosity so much, > so that an oil mixture would have "multi-viscosity" characteristics -- > that is, flow like say a 10 wt oil cold and a 30 wt oil hot. The > rating is cold viscosity rating number first, followed by hot viscosity > rating, so a 10W-40 oil flows like a single rating 10W oil cold and > like a single rating 40W hot. > > The base fluid used in synthetic oils doesn't change viscosity with > temperature nearly as much as petroleum base oils, and in fact is > fairly hard to rate using methods for petroleum base oils. 0W-30 > synthetic oil pours like cold diesel fuel, but I'd not want to use > diesel fuel as an engine oil -- wouldn't stay in the engine! > > The smaller molecules will likely burn off first, since they are more > volatile, but I suspect there really aren't that many in synthetic oil. > The majority of oil consumption in a good condition engine is burnoff > from the cylinder walls as they are exposed during combustion, along > with whatever amount burns off the valves from clearance on the stems. > Synthetics are very resistant to oxidation (remember the frying pan on > the grill ads?) so they don't burn off the cylinder walls, and the > molecules are fairly large so they won't evaporate. No modern oil has > components light enough to actually vaporize, I would venture -- they > would also carbonize too easily, leading to excessive sludge. > > What the viscosity of a mixture is would be hard to determine without > actually testing it, and I suspect what you would have would be xxW-50 > -- the viscosity "extenders" would work their magic more at the hot end > than the cold end. > > Fun stuff, eh? No wonder oil threads go on forever! > > Peter > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- "There're always enemies, George. Jesus had enemies." -- Tom Clancy, _Executive Orders_ 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK "The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives." Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
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No, actually a biologist, but science is science, engineering is just applied science. The greatest challenge in life is communication. Peter
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You are an engineer, aren't you? I can smell them -- my son is one. On 6/26/06, Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Actually, viscosity ratings are more complicated. In the old days, you have an oil of a particular viscosity (actually flow rate at a certain temperature). Petroleum based oils have a significant change of viscosity with change in temperature character -- when hot, they get VERY thin. When cold, of course, they aquire the flow characteristics of molassas, what ever the room temperature viscosity. The solution was to add materials that didn't change viscosity so much, so that an oil mixture would have "multi-viscosity" characteristics -- that is, flow like say a 10 wt oil cold and a 30 wt oil hot. The rating is cold viscosity rating number first, followed by hot viscosity rating, so a 10W-40 oil flows like a single rating 10W oil cold and like a single rating 40W hot. The base fluid used in synthetic oils doesn't change viscosity with temperature nearly as much as petroleum base oils, and in fact is fairly hard to rate using methods for petroleum base oils. 0W-30 synthetic oil pours like cold diesel fuel, but I'd not want to use diesel fuel as an engine oil -- wouldn't stay in the engine! The smaller molecules will likely burn off first, since they are more volatile, but I suspect there really aren't that many in synthetic oil. The majority of oil consumption in a good condition engine is burnoff from the cylinder walls as they are exposed during combustion, along with whatever amount burns off the valves from clearance on the stems. Synthetics are very resistant to oxidation (remember the frying pan on the grill ads?) so they don't burn off the cylinder walls, and the molecules are fairly large so they won't evaporate. No modern oil has components light enough to actually vaporize, I would venture -- they would also carbonize too easily, leading to excessive sludge. What the viscosity of a mixture is would be hard to determine without actually testing it, and I suspect what you would have would be xxW-50 -- the viscosity "extenders" would work their magic more at the hot end than the cold end. Fun stuff, eh? No wonder oil threads go on forever! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- "There're always enemies, George. Jesus had enemies." -- Tom Clancy, _Executive Orders_ 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
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Worth the price increase then. Thanks. On 6/26/06, Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: LT Don wrote: > Did they jack up the price on the 15W-50 when they put on the new label? Old formula M-1 15W-50 was primarily group IV oil. M-1 15W-50 Ext is a mix of group IV and V oil - much more group V then the old formula. Costs more because group V oil is more expensive than group IV. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- "There're always enemies, George. Jesus had enemies." -- Tom Clancy, _Executive Orders_ 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
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Actually, viscosity ratings are more complicated. In the old days, you have an oil of a particular viscosity (actually flow rate at a certain temperature). Petroleum based oils have a significant change of viscosity with change in temperature character -- when hot, they get VERY thin. When cold, of course, they aquire the flow characteristics of molassas, what ever the room temperature viscosity. The solution was to add materials that didn't change viscosity so much, so that an oil mixture would have "multi-viscosity" characteristics -- that is, flow like say a 10 wt oil cold and a 30 wt oil hot. The rating is cold viscosity rating number first, followed by hot viscosity rating, so a 10W-40 oil flows like a single rating 10W oil cold and like a single rating 40W hot. The base fluid used in synthetic oils doesn't change viscosity with temperature nearly as much as petroleum base oils, and in fact is fairly hard to rate using methods for petroleum base oils. 0W-30 synthetic oil pours like cold diesel fuel, but I'd not want to use diesel fuel as an engine oil -- wouldn't stay in the engine! The smaller molecules will likely burn off first, since they are more volatile, but I suspect there really aren't that many in synthetic oil. The majority of oil consumption in a good condition engine is burnoff from the cylinder walls as they are exposed during combustion, along with whatever amount burns off the valves from clearance on the stems. Synthetics are very resistant to oxidation (remember the frying pan on the grill ads?) so they don't burn off the cylinder walls, and the molecules are fairly large so they won't evaporate. No modern oil has components light enough to actually vaporize, I would venture -- they would also carbonize too easily, leading to excessive sludge. What the viscosity of a mixture is would be hard to determine without actually testing it, and I suspect what you would have would be xxW-50 -- the viscosity "extenders" would work their magic more at the hot end than the cold end. Fun stuff, eh? No wonder oil threads go on forever! Peter
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LT Don wrote: Did they jack up the price on the 15W-50 when they put on the new label? Old formula M-1 15W-50 was primarily group IV oil. M-1 15W-50 Ext is a mix of group IV and V oil - much more group V then the old formula. Costs more because group V oil is more expensive than group IV. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
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Did they jack up the price on the 15W-50 when they put on the new label? On 6/26/06, Tom Scordato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Although Marshal has forgotten more than I know about this subject for what it is worth I have run my 1977 300D with 15w/50 M1 extended life and now my 1979 240D with this product combined over 150K miles Regards Tom Scordato - Original Message - From: "Marshall Booth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 Truck & SUV > LT Don wrote: >> Are you saying that the "new" 15W-50 Ext is ok for our diesels? I was >> laboring under the assumption that none of the Extended oils were >> diesel-approved, and that the logical replacement was the 0W-40 Truck & >> SUV. > > While M-1 15W-50 hasn't been approved by Mercedes (at least not yet) it > carries the same CF API rating and ACEA B3, B4 ratings. I would not > hesitate to use it in MY diesels. > > M-1 ESP formula M 5W-40 was supposed to start showing up (Mercedes says, > "available in the USA on 5/15/06") in the US last month. I think I'd > choose the 5W-40 Turbo Diesel Truck or the Delvac 1 formulas for older > diesels if I had a choice, but the newer oil should be JUST fine - if > you can find it. > > Marshall > -- > Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) > "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] > '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 > 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired) > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- "There're always enemies, George. Jesus had enemies." -- Tom Clancy, _Executive Orders_ 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
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Although Marshal has forgotten more than I know about this subject for what it is worth I have run my 1977 300D with 15w/50 M1 extended life and now my 1979 240D with this product combined over 150K miles Regards Tom Scordato - Original Message - From: "Marshall Booth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 Truck & SUV LT Don wrote: Are you saying that the "new" 15W-50 Ext is ok for our diesels? I was laboring under the assumption that none of the Extended oils were diesel-approved, and that the logical replacement was the 0W-40 Truck & SUV. While M-1 15W-50 hasn't been approved by Mercedes (at least not yet) it carries the same CF API rating and ACEA B3, B4 ratings. I would not hesitate to use it in MY diesels. M-1 ESP formula M 5W-40 was supposed to start showing up (Mercedes says, "available in the USA on 5/15/06") in the US last month. I think I'd choose the 5W-40 Turbo Diesel Truck or the Delvac 1 formulas for older diesels if I had a choice, but the newer oil should be JUST fine - if you can find it. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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LT Don wrote: Ok, Marshall -- a question. Assume that I now have a 50/50 mix of 5W-30 and 5W-40 in the engine. I agree that the thinner 5W-30 will be consumed more quickly than the 5W-40, because I noticed it on this weekend's 1100 mile trip. But ... do I have the equivilent of 5W-35 in there, or will the 5W-30 eventually burn away leaving me with 5W-40 in time? In other words, how do the two "mix" when they are in the same crankcase? Disregard the fact that I will be adding 5W-40 as needed. Mixing oil of different viscosities isn't a linear process I've been told. Most oil is a mix of different chain lengths (and thus different viscosities). One thing I can assure you of: if you mix 0W-40 and 15W-50 the resulting mix will be "thicker" then the 0W-40 and "thinner" than the 15W-50. As to which molecule will be consumed or ejected first - I have NO idea. When you have any mix of long and short chain oil, do the short chains go first? All of these oils are superior to any other oil that I know of - far superior to ANY conventional (group I or II) or group III synthetic. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
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At one point I checked the label on a bottle of Mobil 1 10w30 I was putting in my gasser pickup truck and it was diesel rated, of course I can't remember what the rating was... It doesn't meet Mercedes diesel rating but its a capable diesel oil anyway. I'd run the 5w30 for 3,000 miles and then change it out with 15w50 or whatever I could get. This is why Johnny B went to Amsoil... -Curt Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 15:14:48 -0400 From: Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 Truck & SUV To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed LT Don wrote: > Yea, that is where I am at. After accidently putting in two quarts of the > non-diesel Truck & SUV over the weekend, I want to drain everything out and > refill with something that will suspend soot. I have half of a big jug plus > one quart of the "correct" Truck & SUV but that isn't quite enough to do an > oil change. Don't rush to drain it out!! What you put in (m-1 T&SUV 5W-30) suspends soot just fine (no problem up to about 2%). It's just a bit too "thin" for an "antique" diesel engine (so you'll burn it a bit faster) and it isn't diesel rated because it doesn't have as aggressive an additive package for neutralizing combustion by-products (but you'll change the oil because of soot load LONG before acid by-products are any problem - unless you're using off-road #2 with 5000 ppm sulfur). Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired) - How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jun 26 22:40:35 2006 Received: from pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([207.69.195.62]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fuzkx-kf-Ah for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 22:40:35 + Received: from dialup-4.224.39.22.dial1.cincinnati1.level3.net ([4.224.39.22]) by pop-altamira.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1Fuzkh-wi-00; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:40:20 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:36:52 -0500 To: Harry Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mercedes Discussion List X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] SDL using more front shocks than oil.(update) X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.7.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: <http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: List-Post: <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 22:40:35 - How much did you tighten the retainer nut on top (and you MUST hold the rod and NOT allow it to rotate -- it can unscrew from the piston and/or break the seals on the piston, causing early failur -- or blowing the rod out the top of the shock!). Properly installed the locker nut you likely got should leave one nut't worth of thread showing -- if you have two nuts, run them down until one thread shows above the top nut and then tighten the bottom one up to it. Any more, and you eliminate the shock absorbing qualities of the mount rubber, and this may in fact shorten shock life, let along ruin ride quality. Peter
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I've officially given up on Wal-Mart for pretty much anything. Everytime I got its a crapshoot if they're going to have ANY Mobil 1 I can use. I don't understand how they can have 200 gallons of 10w30, 5w30 and 5w20 and 3 quarts of 15w50... I mean if the 15w50 sells so well why couldn't you stock more of it? Doesn't make any kind of sense. So this weekend I discovered that if I call our local Autozone on Monday and tell him I want 9 quarts of 15w50 on Friday he'll have it when I get there and ask. I found this out after ranting about Wal-Mart stupidly not having any. He's going to check on 5w40 for me too. -Curt Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:28:26 -0700 From: Kevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 Truck & SUV To: Mercedes Discussion List Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii FWIW, I stopped browsing walmart in search of 5W40 mobil 1 and picked up some delvac 1 from a truck stop in paso robles. Little expensive, but far cheaper than the mobil 1 distributor up here wanted for them. Couldn't wait any longer for turbodiesel truck to appear. K - Ring'em or ping'em. Make PC-to-phone calls as low as 1¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jun 26 21:46:43 2006 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.171]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fuyup-0004Dy-8Z for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:46:43 + Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id q2so1618869uge for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 14:46:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.166.7 with SMTP id o7mr2298327hue; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 14:46:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.138.15 with HTTP; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 14:46:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 16:46:28 -0500 From: "LT Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.7.cp2 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 Truck & SUV X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.7.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List List-Unsubscribe: <http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: List-Post: <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:46:44 - Ok, Marshall -- a question. Assume that I now have a 50/50 mix of 5W-30 and 5W-40 in the engine. I agree that the thinner 5W-30 will be consumed more quickly than the 5W-40, because I noticed it on this weekend's 1100 mile trip. But ... do I have the equivilent of 5W-35 in there, or will the 5W-30 eventually burn away leaving me with 5W-40 in time? In other words, how do the two "mix" when they are in the same crankcase? Disregard the fact that I will be adding 5W-40 as needed. Don On 6/26/06, Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > LT Don wrote: > > Don't rush to drain it out!! > > What you put in (m-1 T&SUV 5W-30) suspends soot just fine (no problem up > to about 2%). It's just a bit too "thin" for an "antique" diesel engine > (so you'll burn it a bit faster) > -- "There're always enemies, George. Jesus had enemies." -- Tom Clancy, _Executive Orders_ 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
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Correction: Mobil 5W-30 Truck and SUV formula IS rated CD & CF so is suitable for light duty diesel service. Doesn't seem to meet ACEA B-3, B-4 so it's inferior to other M-1 oils. http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lubes/PDS/GLXXENPVLMOMobil1_Truck_SUV_5W-30.asp Marshall I called the Mobil 1 tech support at 800 662 4542. Basically they were very apologetic for the SNAFU that the 're-labeling' has caused. Currently Autozone is scheduled to pick up stocking of the 'Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck 5W-40' This was directly commutated as a done deal with the word 'immediately' used. Wallmart and the others are to follow but did not get a firm answer as to their commitment and or schedule. The rep was aware that the re-labeling has caused a stocking problem at many (all?) of their consumer outlets of this product and has not be beneficial to their marketing of it. The target consumer of it is diesel pickup truck owners. He (the rep) told me that 'Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck 5W-40' is Delvac 1 and is no different that the 'discontinued' Mobil 1 Truck and SUV 5W-40. However all the above was verily commutated over the telephone . George Larribeau Dallas, Texas 1985 300SD 190K
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rumor has it that LT wrote: > Just noticed (AFTER driving 1100 miles) that the Mobil 1 I have on > hand is the 5W-30 Truck & SUV rather than the 5W-40 that is intended > for diesels. > > Assuming that the 5W-40 isn't now available in my area -- I think that > is the case -- what is my best backup oil? A local store does have > Rotella and I might be able to find Delvac 1 at the local truck stop, > although I've never actually look for it there. I'm pretty sure that the Truck and SUV is a rerelabel of the Delvac1. Or at least it used to be... So that would truely be the right oil! -- Philip, not an expert
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Marshall Booth wrote: LT Don wrote: Yea, that is where I am at. After accidently putting in two quarts of the non-diesel Truck & SUV over the weekend, I want to drain everything out and refill with something that will suspend soot. I have half of a big jug plus one quart of the "correct" Truck & SUV but that isn't quite enough to do an oil change. Don't rush to drain it out!! What you put in (m-1 T&SUV 5W-30) suspends soot just fine (no problem up to about 2%). It's just a bit too "thin" for an "antique" diesel engine (so you'll burn it a bit faster) and it isn't diesel rated because it doesn't have as aggressive an additive package for neutralizing combustion by-products (but you'll change the oil because of soot load LONG before acid by-products are any problem - unless you're using off-road #2 with 5000 ppm sulfur). Marshall Correction: Mobil 5W-30 Truck and SUV formula IS rated CD & CF so is suitable for light duty diesel service. Doesn't seem to meet ACEA B-3, B-4 so it's inferior to other M-1 oils. http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lubes/PDS/GLXXENPVLMOMobil1_Truck_SUV_5W-30.asp Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
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LT Don wrote: Are you saying that the "new" 15W-50 Ext is ok for our diesels? I was laboring under the assumption that none of the Extended oils were diesel-approved, and that the logical replacement was the 0W-40 Truck & SUV. While M-1 15W-50 hasn't been approved by Mercedes (at least not yet) it carries the same CF API rating and ACEA B3, B4 ratings. I would not hesitate to use it in MY diesels. M-1 ESP formula M 5W-40 was supposed to start showing up (Mercedes says, "available in the USA on 5/15/06") in the US last month. I think I'd choose the 5W-40 Turbo Diesel Truck or the Delvac 1 formulas for older diesels if I had a choice, but the newer oil should be JUST fine - if you can find it. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
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LT Don wrote: Yea, that is where I am at. After accidently putting in two quarts of the non-diesel Truck & SUV over the weekend, I want to drain everything out and refill with something that will suspend soot. I have half of a big jug plus one quart of the "correct" Truck & SUV but that isn't quite enough to do an oil change. Don't rush to drain it out!! What you put in (m-1 T&SUV 5W-30) suspends soot just fine (no problem up to about 2%). It's just a bit too "thin" for an "antique" diesel engine (so you'll burn it a bit faster) and it isn't diesel rated because it doesn't have as aggressive an additive package for neutralizing combustion by-products (but you'll change the oil because of soot load LONG before acid by-products are any problem - unless you're using off-road #2 with 5000 ppm sulfur). Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
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Are you saying that the "new" 15W-50 Ext is ok for our diesels? I was laboring under the assumption that none of the Extended oils were diesel-approved, and that the logical replacement was the 0W-40 Truck & SUV. Don On 6/26/06, Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: LT Don wrote: Of the easily available oils, Mobil 1 15W-50 Ext seems to be the easiest to find. It's at least a little better then the discontinued M-1 15W-50. If much below zero temps are anticipated, mixing 0W-40 and 15W-50 might be beneficial, but while I've done that, it really wasn't ever necessary. -- "There're always enemies, George. Jesus had enemies." -- Tom Clancy, _Executive Orders_ 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
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LT Don wrote: Just noticed (AFTER driving 1100 miles) that the Mobil 1 I have on hand is the 5W-30 Truck & SUV rather than the 5W-40 that is intended for diesels. Assuming that the 5W-40 isn't now available in my area -- I think that is the case -- what is my best backup oil? A local store does have Rotella and I might be able to find Delvac 1 at the local truck stop, although I've never actually look for it there. Of the easily available oils, Mobil 1 15W-50 Ext seems to be the easiest to find. It's at least a little better then the discontinued M-1 15W-50. If much below zero temps are anticipated, mixing 0W-40 and 15W-50 might be beneficial, but while I've done that, it really wasn't ever necessary. Marshall Delvac 1 5W-40, or Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck 5W-40 (these are essentially the same oil) can both be used. -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
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Yea, that is where I am at. After accidently putting in two quarts of the non-diesel Truck & SUV over the weekend, I want to drain everything out and refill with something that will suspend soot. I have half of a big jug plus one quart of the "correct" Truck & SUV but that isn't quite enough to do an oil change. On 6/26/06, Kevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Couldn't wait any longer for turbodiesel truck to appear. K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- "There're always enemies, George. Jesus had enemies." -- Tom Clancy, _Executive Orders_ 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 Truck & SUV
On Mon, Jun 26, 2006 at 07:53:51AM -0500, LT Don wrote: > Just noticed (AFTER driving 1100 miles) that the Mobil 1 I have on hand is > the 5W-30 Truck & SUV rather than the 5W-40 that is intended for diesels. > > Assuming that the 5W-40 isn't now available in my area -- I think that is > the case -- what is my best backup oil? A local store does have Rotella and > I might be able to find Delvac 1 at the local truck stop, although I've > never actually look for it there. FWIW, I stopped browsing walmart in search of 5W40 mobil 1 and picked up some delvac 1 from a truck stop in paso robles. Little expensive, but far cheaper than the mobil 1 distributor up here wanted for them. Couldn't wait any longer for turbodiesel truck to appear. K
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Yea -- I did a search of some old threads and discovered that Rotella isn't quite the way I want to go. The "Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck 5W-40" is around but seems harder to find. Does any one know it is the same as the old "Mobil 1 Truck and SUV 5-10" does is meet Mercedes 229.1 certification?? Is it still delvac 1 ?? George Larribeau Dallas, Texas 1985 300SD 190K
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Yea -- I did a search of some old threads and discovered that Rotella isn't quite the way I want to go. On 6/26/06, Levi Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: As I recall, Mobil1 15-50 is the next best bet. I believe that Rotella Synthetic isn't "real" synthetic. But better than regular cheap oil. Levi -- "There're always enemies, George. Jesus had enemies." -- Tom Clancy, _Executive Orders_ 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 Truck & SUV
As I recall, Mobil1 15-50 is the next best bet. I believe that Rotella Synthetic isn't "real" synthetic. But better than regular cheap oil. Levi On 6/26/06, LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Just noticed (AFTER driving 1100 miles) that the Mobil 1 I have on hand is the 5W-30 Truck & SUV rather than the 5W-40 that is intended for diesels. Assuming that the 5W-40 isn't now available in my area -- I think that is the case -- what is my best backup oil? A local store does have Rotella and I might be able to find Delvac 1 at the local truck stop, although I've never actually look for it there. -- "There're always enemies, George. Jesus had enemies." -- Tom Clancy, _Executive Orders_ 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Rotella Synthetic is only 13 bucks a gallon at Wally World. Used to run through my 6.9 Tinkernational pretty fast so I went back to Delvac. Mike - Original Message - From: "LT Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 8:53 AM Subject: [MBZ] Mobil 1 Truck & SUV Just noticed (AFTER driving 1100 miles) that the Mobil 1 I have on hand is the 5W-30 Truck & SUV rather than the 5W-40 that is intended for diesels. Assuming that the 5W-40 isn't now available in my area -- I think that is the case -- what is my best backup oil? A local store does have Rotella and I might be able to find Delvac 1 at the local truck stop, although I've never actually look for it there. -- "There're always enemies, George. Jesus had enemies." -- Tom Clancy, _Executive Orders_ 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Mobil 1 Truck & SUV
Just noticed (AFTER driving 1100 miles) that the Mobil 1 I have on hand is the 5W-30 Truck & SUV rather than the 5W-40 that is intended for diesels. Assuming that the 5W-40 isn't now available in my area -- I think that is the case -- what is my best backup oil? A local store does have Rotella and I might be able to find Delvac 1 at the local truck stop, although I've never actually look for it there. -- "There're always enemies, George. Jesus had enemies." -- Tom Clancy, _Executive Orders_ 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
