Re: [MBZ] New addition to the driveway- M1 oil
Hi Allen, I guess I've been lucky - my '91 300D is bone dry. I switched to M1 during the 1st month we owned it fro a mystery dino hio LarryT 91 300D In God We Trust -- From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 9:09 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] New addition to the driveway- M1 oil Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com writes: On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I don't like the 0w40 as its so thin cold it'll tend to leak even in a relatively tight engine. My experience too in a few different engines, both MB diesels and lesser gassers. If you don't want a new addition ON your driveway as well as TO the driveway, avoid 0 weight anything. Have you ever had an older (more than 15 years or so) MB diesel that did NOT mark its territory at all? My 300D has always dripped a little bit, not enough to noticeably affect levels between changes, but a single drop will leave a mark on the driveway. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New addition to the driveway- M1 oil
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 9:09 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote:
Have you ever had an older (more than 15 years or so) MB diesel that did
NOT mark its territory at all?
My '77 does not drip. However, I was at work a while back and noticed
that there were small puddles of oil on many of my usual parking
spots. The next day I chalked the car, and found a small puddle was
under the battery, but saw no evidence of leaking. Puzzled over that
one for a couple days; tried to see if there was a cross-member, etc.
Turns out my coworker's relatively new ('02?) Saab was weeping badly.
I hadn't even considered that any of the this-millenium models might
be the cause... :)
-Tim
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Re: [MBZ] New addition to the driveway- M1 oil
'Tis possible to replace the bottom plate seal in situ, just not very easy unless you're good at working via mirror. Did that job on my '87 wagon, now the only leaks are from the front seal of the power steering pump and oily black goo from the intake manifold. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 12:15 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] New addition to the driveway- M1 oil On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 6:41 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: My '87 300D is 24 years old and does not mark its territory. Mine neither. The only leak on the engine is, I believe, from the seal around the bottom plate on the injection pump. Since that seal isn't replaceable in situ, and I'm not going to undertake RRing the pump just for that, it's going to stay leaking. But what little oil comes out doesn't make it to the ground that I've noticed (and, no, I don't have the plastic skid plates on my engine to catch drips---someone threw them away a long time ago, as usual). Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New addition to the driveway- M1 oil
My old 300D was drip free most of it's life. The new one dribbles all over, need to get a new front seal in it soon and find out where the tranny juice comes from. The 60x engines can be very low oil usage -- in it's prime (before the head went really bad), I used to add no oil at all between 6000 mile changes. Now I add a quart every third tank or so. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New addition to the driveway- M1 oil
Another oil question. I don't see much in heavier oil grades here but if I go south of the border, I see M1 in heavier grades like 15-50 (I think - if my memory is OK) or 15-40 but it does not seem to indicate that it is for diesels. I also saw M1 that said it was for turbo diesel trucks but I think it was something like 5-40. Do I dare use either o these in my old 115 non-turbo diesel? So far, I am just sticking with Rotella but I read somewhere that it is really not all that wonderful. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 5:34 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] New addition to the driveway Lifter tick may be what you have, and the late Dr. M.B. often wrote that M1 oil would usually quiet that down; that has been my experience. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Tim C Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 8:49 PM To: Mercedes List Subject: [MBZ] New addition to the driveway The 240D hasn't left, but it's been replaced by an 87 300SDL. 310k, maintenance records up to 290k (10 years ago). Starts like a champ in the nice warm weather, and more power than a 77 NA 300D - guess that cylinder+turbo combo is good for something. :) Has a two-year-old head, cylinder+but I forgot how to tell if it was a good one; kind of doubt they'd have put a new bad one back on, though of course I'll check it out in the morning. Needs a new headlight, which I have, and some algae killer, which I also have; a windshield and front seats, which I may wait to get from the junkyard; and a bunch of maintenance items from Rusty, of course, for which it shall wait. I only have three days to get it past safety inspection so that's my first goal. :) Only odd things for which I presently seek counsel: 1) it ticks much worse than my 300D (and the PO put silicon tape around one of the fuel lines, guessing that's related), and 2) it idles at 2.5-ish bar when slightly warm - haven't gone hot yet. The manual says it can drop to 0.3bar - is that really true? Anyway, I'm excited, it seems like a good car for the money, and exactly what I wanted for size, comfort, and propulsion... as long as I can keep it reliable for a while we're set! :) As always thanks for any advice. Thanks, -Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New addition to the driveway- M1 oil
R A Bennell wrote: Another oil question. I don't see much in heavier oil grades here but if I go south of the border, I see M1 in heavier grades like 15-50 (I think - if my memory is OK) or 15-40 but it does not seem to indicate that it is for diesels. I also saw M1 that said it was for turbo diesel trucks but I think it was something like 5-40. Do I dare use either o these in my old 115 non-turbo diesel? So far, I am just sticking with Rotella but I read somewhere that it is really not all that wonderful. 5w40 TDT is supposed to be the same as Delvac One, one of the best synthetic lubes for heavy duty diesels. Way above spec for a car that asks for SE-CC or SE-CD. I've been buying it at Meijer for as little as $16 a gallon on sale this summer. ($19.99 sale price on a day I had a coupon for $4 off any item priced 19.97 or higher) 15w50 Mobil One, extended performance or regular, is good stuff too. Exceeds the diesel ratings that were in effect when your car was made. Multiple listers have reported excessive noise or oil consumption when using thinner than 5w40, like the much vaunted 0w40 for example. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New addition to the driveway- M1 oil
Thanks for your input. Mobile 1 was something like $21 in Fargo Wal Mart. I bought a couple of jugs of 5-20 to use in my F150 but did not buy any for the car. Will be in Grand Forks again in about a month so will pick some up then if they have it on the shelf. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 9:07 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] New addition to the driveway- M1 oil R A Bennell wrote: Another oil question. I don't see much in heavier oil grades here but if I go south of the border, I see M1 in heavier grades like 15-50 (I think - if my memory is OK) or 15-40 but it does not seem to indicate that it is for diesels. I also saw M1 that said it was for turbo diesel trucks but I think it was something like 5-40. Do I dare use either o these in my old 115 non-turbo diesel? So far, I am just sticking with Rotella but I read somewhere that it is really not all that wonderful. 5w40 TDT is supposed to be the same as Delvac One, one of the best synthetic lubes for heavy duty diesels. Way above spec for a car that asks for SE-CC or SE-CD. I've been buying it at Meijer for as little as $16 a gallon on sale this summer. ($19.99 sale price on a day I had a coupon for $4 off any item priced 19.97 or higher) 15w50 Mobil One, extended performance or regular, is good stuff too. Exceeds the diesel ratings that were in effect when your car was made. Multiple listers have reported excessive noise or oil consumption when using thinner than 5w40, like the much vaunted 0w40 for example. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New addition to the driveway- M1 oil
Any of the fancy names on any oil (Turbo Diesel Truck and Truck and SUV are a couple examples are just marketing BS, ignore them. Marshall said, and MB's qualifications confirm, that there are 3 weights of M1 considered acceptable in the 61x and 60x engines of the older cars (folks have been saying pre-07) they are, in increasing order of desirablity (Marshalls and my sentiment) oh and before anybody pitches a fit, yes I've tried all of them over many thousands of miles...: 0w40 15w50 5w40 I don't like the 0w40 as its so thin cold it'll tend to leak even in a relatively tight engine. The 15w50 is a good (maybe even great) oil and is nice in a slightly leaky engine as it'll tend to leak less. I like it in a largely highway driven 616 engine as 240Ds driven hard tend to consume some oil and they tend to do less with 15w50. I like the 5w40 the most because it makes for easier cold starts in seriously (-10f or colder) cold temps. My '85 190D used mostly 5w40 over ~90,000 miles and ran just great, the rest of the car fell apart around the engine. The 0w40 is probably better for extremely (-20f and colder) cold starts but even where I live thats only 1-2 times a year and 61x engines are going to be iffy at best starting that cold without auxiliary heat. 60x engines should still start at -20f without too much trouble and I consider the advantage in 0w40 outweighed by the disadvantage in leakage/consumption although I wouldn't hesitate to use it if 5w40 wasn't available. -Curt Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 09:50:35 -0500 From: R A Bennell b...@mts.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] New addition to the driveway- M1 oil Message-ID: nhbblomcoljnegblbjcpcecgoiaa@mts.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Another oil question. I don't see much in heavier oil grades here but if I go south of the border, I see M1 in heavier grades like 15-50 (I think - if my memory is OK) or 15-40 but it does not seem to indicate that it is for diesels. I also saw M1 that said it was for turbo diesel trucks but I think it was something like 5-40. Do I dare use either o these in my old 115 non-turbo diesel? So far, I am just sticking with Rotella but I read somewhere that it is really not all that wonderful. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 5:34 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] New addition to the driveway Lifter tick may be what you have, and the late Dr. M.B. often wrote that M1 oil would usually quiet that down; that has been my experience. -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New addition to the driveway- M1 oil
Oh one other note, 61x engines don't get the full advantage of synthetic oil because they'll tend to hit 2% soot load (MB's measure for when the oil needs changing) before you can really extend the change interval all that much. Such is not true with 60x engines. Last I tested the oil in my '85 190D was still considered good to go at 15,000 miles. I didn't want to spend a bunch of time testing so I stopped at 12,000 and called that good enough. Now with 2 new (to me) cars I get to play with testing all over again. My '83 240D leaked badly so I ran the cheapest oil I could get (right at the end that was Car Quest house brand 15w40). Now having Dwights 240D I'll test and see how long the M1 15w50 in it right now can last. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New addition to the driveway- M1 oil
Regardless of claims that the 0W-40 and the 15W-40 are the same when hot, my experience is that the engine was much noisier when hot when I tried the 0W-40 in my OM-617, it just sounded like the oil was thinner. Idle pressure was a bit lower too, compared to 15W-40. I like the 5W-40 also, but it's impossible to find around here, even in individual quarts, and forget about gallon or 5qt containers. Even 15W-50 is enough of a bother than I've gone back to using Chevron Delo which is cheap and easy to find anywhere. Allan On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 14:22 -0700, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Any of the fancy names on any oil (Turbo Diesel Truck and Truck and SUV are a couple examples are just marketing BS, ignore them. Marshall said, and MB's qualifications confirm, that there are 3 weights of M1 considered acceptable in the 61x and 60x engines of the older cars (folks have been saying pre-07) they are, in increasing order of desirablity (Marshalls and my sentiment) oh and before anybody pitches a fit, yes I've tried all of them over many thousands of miles...: 0w40 15w50 5w40 I don't like the 0w40 as its so thin cold it'll tend to leak even in a relatively tight engine. The 15w50 is a good (maybe even great) oil and is nice in a slightly leaky engine as it'll tend to leak less. I like it in a largely highway driven 616 engine as 240Ds driven hard tend to consume some oil and they tend to do less with 15w50. I like the 5w40 the most because it makes for easier cold starts in seriously (-10f or colder) cold temps. My '85 190D used mostly 5w40 over ~90,000 miles and ran just great, the rest of the car fell apart around the engine. The 0w40 is probably better for extremely (-20f and colder) cold starts but even where I live thats only 1-2 times a year and 61x engines are going to be iffy at best starting that cold without auxiliary heat. 60x engines should still start at -20f without too much trouble and I consider the advantage in 0w40 outweighed by the disadvantage in leakage/consumption although I wouldn't hesitate to use it if 5w40 wasn't available. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New addition to the driveway- M1 oil
I meant 5W-40 where I wrote 15W-40 in the first paragraph below. On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 17:31 -0400, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Regardless of claims that the 0W-40 and the 15W-40 are the same when hot, my experience is that the engine was much noisier when hot when I tried the 0W-40 in my OM-617, it just sounded like the oil was thinner. Idle pressure was a bit lower too, compared to 15W-40. I like the 5W-40 also, but it's impossible to find around here, even in individual quarts, and forget about gallon or 5qt containers. Even 15W-50 is enough of a bother than I've gone back to using Chevron Delo which is cheap and easy to find anywhere. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New addition to the driveway- M1 oil
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I don't like the 0w40 as its so thin cold it'll tend to leak even in a relatively tight engine. My experience too in a few different engines, both MB diesels and lesser gassers. If you don't want a new addition ON your driveway as well as TO the driveway, avoid 0 weight anything. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New addition to the driveway- M1 oil
Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com writes: On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I don't like the 0w40 as its so thin cold it'll tend to leak even in a relatively tight engine. My experience too in a few different engines, both MB diesels and lesser gassers. If you don't want a new addition ON your driveway as well as TO the driveway, avoid 0 weight anything. Have you ever had an older (more than 15 years or so) MB diesel that did NOT mark its territory at all? My 300D has always dripped a little bit, not enough to noticeably affect levels between changes, but a single drop will leave a mark on the driveway. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New addition to the driveway- M1 oil
My '87 300D is 24 years old and does not mark its territory. Well, sometimes, condensate drips from it, but that doesn't leave a black stain. Wilton - Original Message - From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] New addition to the driveway- M1 oil Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com writes: On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I don't like the 0w40 as its so thin cold it'll tend to leak even in a relatively tight engine. My experience too in a few different engines, both MB diesels and lesser gassers. If you don't want a new addition ON your driveway as well as TO the driveway, avoid 0 weight anything. Have you ever had an older (more than 15 years or so) MB diesel that did NOT mark its territory at all? My 300D has always dripped a little bit, not enough to noticeably affect levels between changes, but a single drop will leave a mark on the driveway. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New addition to the driveway- M1 oil
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 6:41 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: My '87 300D is 24 years old and does not mark its territory. Mine neither. The only leak on the engine is, I believe, from the seal around the bottom plate on the injection pump. Since that seal isn't replaceable in situ, and I'm not going to undertake RRing the pump just for that, it's going to stay leaking. But what little oil comes out doesn't make it to the ground that I've noticed (and, no, I don't have the plastic skid plates on my engine to catch drips---someone threw them away a long time ago, as usual). Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
