[MBZ] ODBII & MB Diagnostic Connector
Just for grins I ordered an adapter that allows the connection of an ODBII reader to the 38 pin diagnostic connector on my S500, which is one year prior to the adoption of ODBII. I can't seem to find anything that describes what I should be able to see on the reader when I connect it to the car. For $3.00 I'm willing to risk a try, just curious as to if anyone else has ever used one of these. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ODBII & MB Diagnostic Connector
Try OBDII Why would you expect to see anything with an OBD reader if the car is not putting out anything an OBD reader could understand? (Not being a smartass, just seems like the basic question) Is there an adapter that might go to USB and something running on a laptop that could understand whatever the car is talking? I built some little circuit thing to see the ALDL output from my 87 Chebbie truck on a laptop, and ran some software some guy in Sweden or somewhere wrote, it actually was kinda cool to see the various parameters but ultimately worthless for adjusting anything on the truck. --R On 2/15/13 1:13 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Just for grins I ordered an adapter that allows the connection of an ODBII reader to the 38 pin diagnostic connector on my S500, which is one year prior to the adoption of ODBII. I can't seem to find anything that describes what I should be able to see on the reader when I connect it to the car. For $3.00 I'm willing to risk a try, just curious as to if anyone else has ever used one of these. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ODBII & MB Diagnostic Connector
>From what I have been able to discover, there are some signals present at the >38 pin connector that can be read by the ODBII reader, but they are limited. I have seen the LED readers that you can build to read the DTC codes from the connector, but haven't had a chance to try one. There is a possibility that my car has an ODBII connector, as MB was transitioning to this during the 95 model year to be in full compliance by MY 96 when it was required. Never looked for a connector since I thought the car was too old to have one. I'll be checking for it this weekend. Dan On Feb 15, 2013, at 1:31 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: > Try OBDII > > Why would you expect to see anything with an OBD reader if the car is not > putting out anything an OBD reader could understand? (Not being a smartass, > just seems like the basic question) > > Is there an adapter that might go to USB and something running on a laptop > that could understand whatever the car is talking? > > I built some little circuit thing to see the ALDL output from my 87 Chebbie > truck on a laptop, and ran some software some guy in Sweden or somewhere > wrote, it actually was kinda cool to see the various parameters but > ultimately worthless for adjusting anything on the truck. > > --R > > On 2/15/13 1:13 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: >> Just for grins I ordered an adapter that allows the connection of an ODBII >> reader to the 38 pin diagnostic connector on my S500, which is one year >> prior to the adoption of ODBII. >> >> I can't seem to find anything that describes what I should be able to see on >> the reader when I connect it to the car. >> >> For $3.00 I'm willing to risk a try, just curious as to if anyone else has >> ever used one of these. >> >> Dan >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ODBII & MB Diagnostic Connector
You have to have the full blown Xentry system to do anything on that car. On 2/15/2013 12:13 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Just for grins I ordered an adapter that allows the connection of an ODBII reader to the 38 pin diagnostic connector on my S500, which is one year prior to the adoption of ODBII. I can't seem to find anything that describes what I should be able to see on the reader when I connect it to the car. For $3.00 I'm willing to risk a try, just curious as to if anyone else has ever used one of these. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6099 - Release Date: 02/12/13 Internal Virus Database is out of date. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ODBII & MB Diagnostic Connector
Actually, just SDS will work, Xentry is kinda overkill. If you buy an eBay multiplexer, buy one with two round connectors on the brick; they may be "3rd shift" versions from the same factory that makes/made the original ones. Avoid the ones that have a RS-232 on the MUX directly. You will also want a ThinkPad T30... Although you can use a Baum CS2000/iScan D90 for some of the more mundane stuff... BTW, my E300's have both the OBDII and the OBD connector, and if I am not mistaken, when you have both, you should use the 38 pin round connector. -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Feb 20, 2013, at 17:56, "Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote: > You have to have the full blown Xentry system to do anything on that car. > > On 2/15/2013 12:13 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: >> Just for grins I ordered an adapter that allows the connection of an ODBII >> reader to the 38 pin diagnostic connector on my S500, which is one year >> prior to the adoption of ODBII. >> >> I can't seem to find anything that describes what I should be able to see on >> the reader when I connect it to the car. >> >> For $3.00 I'm willing to risk a try, just curious as to if anyone else has >> ever used one of these. >> >> Dan >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> - >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6099 - Release Date: 02/12/13 >> Internal Virus Database is out of date. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ODBII & MB Diagnostic Connector
When I try to hook my sds to the obd it makes me hook it to the round one under the hood instead Sent from my iPhone On Feb 20, 2013, at 8:09 PM, John Reames wrote: > Actually, just SDS will work, Xentry is kinda overkill. > > If you buy an eBay multiplexer, buy one with two round connectors on the > brick; they may be "3rd shift" versions from the same factory that makes/made > the original ones. > > Avoid the ones that have a RS-232 on the MUX directly. > > You will also want a ThinkPad T30... > > Although you can use a Baum CS2000/iScan D90 for some of the more mundane > stuff... > > BTW, my E300's have both the OBDII and the OBD connector, and if I am not > mistaken, when you have both, you should use the 38 pin round connector. > > > > -- > John W Reames > jream...@verizon.net > Home: +14106646986 > Mobile: +14437915905 > > On Feb 20, 2013, at 17:56, "Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote: > >> You have to have the full blown Xentry system to do anything on that car. >> >> On 2/15/2013 12:13 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: >>> Just for grins I ordered an adapter that allows the connection of an ODBII >>> reader to the 38 pin diagnostic connector on my S500, which is one year >>> prior to the adoption of ODBII. >>> >>> I can't seem to find anything that describes what I should be able to see >>> on the reader when I connect it to the car. >>> >>> For $3.00 I'm willing to risk a try, just curious as to if anyone else has >>> ever used one of these. >>> >>> Dan >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> - >>> No virus found in this message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6099 - Release Date: 02/12/13 >>> Internal Virus Database is out of date. >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ODBII & MB Diagnostic Connector
My car was built right at the transition to OBDII, so I need to look under the dash and see if there is a connector. I'll be under it this weekend, so I will try to remember to look then. Dan On Feb 20, 2013, at 9:09 PM, John Reames wrote: > Actually, just SDS will work, Xentry is kinda overkill. > > If you buy an eBay multiplexer, buy one with two round connectors on the > brick; they may be "3rd shift" versions from the same factory that makes/made > the original ones. > > Avoid the ones that have a RS-232 on the MUX directly. > > You will also want a ThinkPad T30... > > Although you can use a Baum CS2000/iScan D90 for some of the more mundane > stuff... > > BTW, my E300's have both the OBDII and the OBD connector, and if I am not > mistaken, when you have both, you should use the 38 pin round connector. > > > > -- > John W Reames > jream...@verizon.net > Home: +14106646986 > Mobile: +14437915905 > > On Feb 20, 2013, at 17:56, "Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote: > >> You have to have the full blown Xentry system to do anything on that car. >> >> On 2/15/2013 12:13 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: >>> Just for grins I ordered an adapter that allows the connection of an ODBII >>> reader to the 38 pin diagnostic connector on my S500, which is one year >>> prior to the adoption of ODBII. >>> >>> I can't seem to find anything that describes what I should be able to see >>> on the reader when I connect it to the car. >>> >>> For $3.00 I'm willing to risk a try, just curious as to if anyone else has >>> ever used one of these. >>> >>> Dan >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> - >>> No virus found in this message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6099 - Release Date: 02/12/13 >>> Internal Virus Database is out of date. >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ODBII & MB Diagnostic Connector
Dan, No OBDII connector on the C140. Only the diagnostic port under the hood in the control module box near the passenger firewall. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan Penoff Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 8:46 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] ODBII & MB Diagnostic Connector My car was built right at the transition to OBDII, so I need to look under the dash and see if there is a connector. I'll be under it this weekend, so I will try to remember to look then. Dan On Feb 20, 2013, at 9:09 PM, John Reames wrote: > Actually, just SDS will work, Xentry is kinda overkill. > > If you buy an eBay multiplexer, buy one with two round connectors on the brick; they may be "3rd shift" versions from the same factory that makes/made the original ones. > > Avoid the ones that have a RS-232 on the MUX directly. > > You will also want a ThinkPad T30... > > Although you can use a Baum CS2000/iScan D90 for some of the more mundane stuff... > > BTW, my E300's have both the OBDII and the OBD connector, and if I am not mistaken, when you have both, you should use the 38 pin round connector. > > > > -- > John W Reames > jream...@verizon.net > Home: +14106646986 > Mobile: +14437915905 > > On Feb 20, 2013, at 17:56, "Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote: > >> You have to have the full blown Xentry system to do anything on that car. >> >> On 2/15/2013 12:13 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: >>> Just for grins I ordered an adapter that allows the connection of an ODBII reader to the 38 pin diagnostic connector on my S500, which is one year prior to the adoption of ODBII. >>> >>> I can't seem to find anything that describes what I should be able to see on the reader when I connect it to the car. >>> >>> For $3.00 I'm willing to risk a try, just curious as to if anyone else has ever used one of these. >>> >>> Dan >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list >>> archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> - >>> No virus found in this message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6099 - Release Date: >>> 02/12/13 Internal Virus Database is out of date. >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives >> http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives > http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ODBII & MB Diagnostic Connector
I would take exception to that. Any 1996 and later car sold in the US had to have ODBII. I just looked at a 96 S600 that was at the local dealer yesterday and it had the connector right by the parking brake pedal. And they wanted an exorbitant amount of money for the car, too. Dan On Feb 21, 2013, at 9:13 AM, TE wrote: > Dan, > > No OBDII connector on the C140. Only the diagnostic port under the hood in > the control module box near the passenger firewall. > > -Original Message- > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan > Penoff > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 8:46 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] ODBII & MB Diagnostic Connector > > My car was built right at the transition to OBDII, so I need to look under > the dash and see if there is a connector. > > I'll be under it this weekend, so I will try to remember to look then. > > Dan > > On Feb 20, 2013, at 9:09 PM, John Reames wrote: > >> Actually, just SDS will work, Xentry is kinda overkill. >> >> If you buy an eBay multiplexer, buy one with two round connectors on the > brick; they may be "3rd shift" versions from the same factory that > makes/made the original ones. >> >> Avoid the ones that have a RS-232 on the MUX directly. >> >> You will also want a ThinkPad T30... >> >> Although you can use a Baum CS2000/iScan D90 for some of the more mundane > stuff... >> >> BTW, my E300's have both the OBDII and the OBD connector, and if I am not > mistaken, when you have both, you should use the 38 pin round connector. >> >> >> >> -- >> John W Reames >> jream...@verizon.net >> Home: +14106646986 >> Mobile: +14437915905 >> >> On Feb 20, 2013, at 17:56, "Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote: >> >>> You have to have the full blown Xentry system to do anything on that car. >>> >>> On 2/15/2013 12:13 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: >>>> Just for grins I ordered an adapter that allows the connection of an > ODBII reader to the 38 pin diagnostic connector on my S500, which is one > year prior to the adoption of ODBII. >>>> >>>> I can't seem to find anything that describes what I should be able to > see on the reader when I connect it to the car. >>>> >>>> For $3.00 I'm willing to risk a try, just curious as to if anyone else > has ever used one of these. >>>> >>>> Dan >>>> ___ >>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list >>>> archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>> >>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>> >>>> >>>> - >>>> No virus found in this message. >>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>> Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6099 - Release Date: >>>> 02/12/13 Internal Virus Database is out of date. >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives >>> http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives >> http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives > http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ODBII & MB Diagnostic Connector
Correction, no OBDII port on your C140. :-) -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan Penoff Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 10:34 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] ODBII & MB Diagnostic Connector I would take exception to that. Any 1996 and later car sold in the US had to have ODBII. I just looked at a 96 S600 that was at the local dealer yesterday and it had the connector right by the parking brake pedal. And they wanted an exorbitant amount of money for the car, too. Dan On Feb 21, 2013, at 9:13 AM, TE wrote: > Dan, > > No OBDII connector on the C140. Only the diagnostic port under the > hood in the control module box near the passenger firewall. > > -Original Message- > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan > Penoff > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 8:46 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] ODBII & MB Diagnostic Connector > > My car was built right at the transition to OBDII, so I need to look > under the dash and see if there is a connector. > > I'll be under it this weekend, so I will try to remember to look then. > > Dan > > On Feb 20, 2013, at 9:09 PM, John Reames wrote: > >> Actually, just SDS will work, Xentry is kinda overkill. >> >> If you buy an eBay multiplexer, buy one with two round connectors on >> the > brick; they may be "3rd shift" versions from the same factory that > makes/made the original ones. >> >> Avoid the ones that have a RS-232 on the MUX directly. >> >> You will also want a ThinkPad T30... >> >> Although you can use a Baum CS2000/iScan D90 for some of the more >> mundane > stuff... >> >> BTW, my E300's have both the OBDII and the OBD connector, and if I am >> not > mistaken, when you have both, you should use the 38 pin round connector. >> >> >> >> -- >> John W Reames >> jream...@verizon.net >> Home: +14106646986 >> Mobile: +14437915905 >> >> On Feb 20, 2013, at 17:56, "Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote: >> >>> You have to have the full blown Xentry system to do anything on that car. >>> >>> On 2/15/2013 12:13 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: >>>> Just for grins I ordered an adapter that allows the connection of >>>> an > ODBII reader to the 38 pin diagnostic connector on my S500, which is > one year prior to the adoption of ODBII. >>>> >>>> I can't seem to find anything that describes what I should be able >>>> to > see on the reader when I connect it to the car. >>>> >>>> For $3.00 I'm willing to risk a try, just curious as to if anyone >>>> else > has ever used one of these. >>>> >>>> Dan >>>> ___ >>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list >>>> archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>> >>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>> >>>> >>>> - >>>> No virus found in this message. >>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>> Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6099 - Release Date: >>>> 02/12/13 Internal Virus Database is out of date. >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list >>> archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives >> http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives > http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives > http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ODBII & MB Diagnostic Connector
I haven't looked - did you ever look for one? I ask because there were some late 95 models that did get them. I'll poke my head down there tonight after I get home and see. Dan On Feb 21, 2013, at 9:48 AM, TE wrote: > Correction, no OBDII port on your C140. :-) > > -Original Message- > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan > Penoff > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 10:34 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] ODBII & MB Diagnostic Connector > > I would take exception to that. Any 1996 and later car sold in the US had to > have ODBII. I just looked at a 96 S600 that was at the local dealer > yesterday and it had the connector right by the parking brake pedal. > > And they wanted an exorbitant amount of money for the car, too. > > Dan > > On Feb 21, 2013, at 9:13 AM, TE wrote: > >> Dan, >> >> No OBDII connector on the C140. Only the diagnostic port under the >> hood in the control module box near the passenger firewall. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan >> Penoff >> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 8:46 PM >> To: Mercedes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] ODBII & MB Diagnostic Connector >> >> My car was built right at the transition to OBDII, so I need to look >> under the dash and see if there is a connector. >> >> I'll be under it this weekend, so I will try to remember to look then. >> >> Dan >> >> On Feb 20, 2013, at 9:09 PM, John Reames wrote: >> >>> Actually, just SDS will work, Xentry is kinda overkill. >>> >>> If you buy an eBay multiplexer, buy one with two round connectors on >>> the >> brick; they may be "3rd shift" versions from the same factory that >> makes/made the original ones. >>> >>> Avoid the ones that have a RS-232 on the MUX directly. >>> >>> You will also want a ThinkPad T30... >>> >>> Although you can use a Baum CS2000/iScan D90 for some of the more >>> mundane >> stuff... >>> >>> BTW, my E300's have both the OBDII and the OBD connector, and if I am >>> not >> mistaken, when you have both, you should use the 38 pin round connector. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> John W Reames >>> jream...@verizon.net >>> Home: +14106646986 >>> Mobile: +14437915905 >>> >>> On Feb 20, 2013, at 17:56, "Kaleb C. Striplin" > wrote: >>> >>>> You have to have the full blown Xentry system to do anything on that > car. >>>> >>>> On 2/15/2013 12:13 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: >>>>> Just for grins I ordered an adapter that allows the connection of >>>>> an >> ODBII reader to the 38 pin diagnostic connector on my S500, which is >> one year prior to the adoption of ODBII. >>>>> >>>>> I can't seem to find anything that describes what I should be able >>>>> to >> see on the reader when I connect it to the car. >>>>> >>>>> For $3.00 I'm willing to risk a try, just curious as to if anyone >>>>> else >> has ever used one of these. >>>>> >>>>> Dan >>>>> ___ >>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list >>>>> archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>>> >>>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> - >>>>> No virus found in this message. >>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>>> Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6099 - Release Date: >>>>> 02/12/13 Internal Virus Database is out of date. >>>> >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list >>>> archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>> >>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new and used parts
Re: [MBZ] ODBII & MB Diagnostic Connector
Well, you're right; I can't say I've done any serious digging/disassembly under the driver's side footwell, but anytime I've pulled codes it's always been through the diagnostic port under the hood on that car. If there is one, it's got to be buried in there, because it's definitely not mounted out in the open where it should be. Your C140 was manufactured in March, IIRC, so maybe it missed the OBDII. How are things going with it otherwise? If you have any questions, feel free to ask; hopefully I can be of some help. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan Penoff Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 10:58 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] ODBII & MB Diagnostic Connector I haven't looked - did you ever look for one? I ask because there were some late 95 models that did get them. I'll poke my head down there tonight after I get home and see. Dan On Feb 21, 2013, at 9:48 AM, TE wrote: > Correction, no OBDII port on your C140. :-) > > -Original Message- > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan > Penoff > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 10:34 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] ODBII & MB Diagnostic Connector > > I would take exception to that. Any 1996 and later car sold in the US > had to have ODBII. I just looked at a 96 S600 that was at the local > dealer yesterday and it had the connector right by the parking brake pedal. > > And they wanted an exorbitant amount of money for the car, too. > > Dan > > On Feb 21, 2013, at 9:13 AM, TE wrote: > >> Dan, >> >> No OBDII connector on the C140. Only the diagnostic port under the >> hood in the control module box near the passenger firewall. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of >> Dan Penoff >> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 8:46 PM >> To: Mercedes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] ODBII & MB Diagnostic Connector >> >> My car was built right at the transition to OBDII, so I need to look >> under the dash and see if there is a connector. >> >> I'll be under it this weekend, so I will try to remember to look then. >> >> Dan >> >> On Feb 20, 2013, at 9:09 PM, John Reames wrote: >> >>> Actually, just SDS will work, Xentry is kinda overkill. >>> >>> If you buy an eBay multiplexer, buy one with two round connectors on >>> the >> brick; they may be "3rd shift" versions from the same factory that >> makes/made the original ones. >>> >>> Avoid the ones that have a RS-232 on the MUX directly. >>> >>> You will also want a ThinkPad T30... >>> >>> Although you can use a Baum CS2000/iScan D90 for some of the more >>> mundane >> stuff... >>> >>> BTW, my E300's have both the OBDII and the OBD connector, and if I >>> am not >> mistaken, when you have both, you should use the 38 pin round connector. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> John W Reames >>> jream...@verizon.net >>> Home: +14106646986 >>> Mobile: +14437915905 >>> >>> On Feb 20, 2013, at 17:56, "Kaleb C. Striplin" > wrote: >>> >>>> You have to have the full blown Xentry system to do anything on >>>> that > car. >>>> >>>> On 2/15/2013 12:13 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: >>>>> Just for grins I ordered an adapter that allows the connection of >>>>> an >> ODBII reader to the 38 pin diagnostic connector on my S500, which is >> one year prior to the adoption of ODBII. >>>>> >>>>> I can't seem to find anything that describes what I should be able >>>>> to >> see on the reader when I connect it to the car. >>>>> >>>>> For $3.00 I'm willing to risk a try, just curious as to if anyone >>>>> else >> has ever used one of these. >>>>> >>>>> Dan >>>>> ___ >>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list >>>>> archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>>> >>>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> - >>>>
Re: [MBZ] ODBII & MB Diagnostic Connector
How did you pull codes? Did you use one of the LED setups I see people making? Also, does anyone know of a source that lists all of the DST codes? I see bits and pieces around the Web, but there doesn't seem to be a concise list anywhere that I have found. Dan On Feb 21, 2013, at 10:10 AM, TE wrote: > Well, you're right; I can't say I've done any serious digging/disassembly > under the driver's side footwell, but anytime I've pulled codes it's always > been through the diagnostic port under the hood on that car. If there is > one, it's got to be buried in there, because it's definitely not mounted out > in the open where it should be. > > Your C140 was manufactured in March, IIRC, so maybe it missed the OBDII. How > are things going with it otherwise? If you have any questions, feel free to > ask; hopefully I can be of some help. > > -Original Message- > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan > Penoff > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 10:58 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] ODBII & MB Diagnostic Connector > > I haven't looked - did you ever look for one? > > I ask because there were some late 95 models that did get them. > > I'll poke my head down there tonight after I get home and see. > > Dan > > On Feb 21, 2013, at 9:48 AM, TE wrote: > >> Correction, no OBDII port on your C140. :-) >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan >> Penoff >> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 10:34 PM >> To: Mercedes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] ODBII & MB Diagnostic Connector >> >> I would take exception to that. Any 1996 and later car sold in the US >> had to have ODBII. I just looked at a 96 S600 that was at the local >> dealer yesterday and it had the connector right by the parking brake > pedal. >> >> And they wanted an exorbitant amount of money for the car, too. >> >> Dan >> >> On Feb 21, 2013, at 9:13 AM, TE wrote: >> >>> Dan, >>> >>> No OBDII connector on the C140. Only the diagnostic port under the >>> hood in the control module box near the passenger firewall. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of >>> Dan Penoff >>> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 8:46 PM >>> To: Mercedes Discussion List >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] ODBII & MB Diagnostic Connector >>> >>> My car was built right at the transition to OBDII, so I need to look >>> under the dash and see if there is a connector. >>> >>> I'll be under it this weekend, so I will try to remember to look then. >>> >>> Dan >>> >>> On Feb 20, 2013, at 9:09 PM, John Reames wrote: >>> >>>> Actually, just SDS will work, Xentry is kinda overkill. >>>> >>>> If you buy an eBay multiplexer, buy one with two round connectors on >>>> the >>> brick; they may be "3rd shift" versions from the same factory that >>> makes/made the original ones. >>>> >>>> Avoid the ones that have a RS-232 on the MUX directly. >>>> >>>> You will also want a ThinkPad T30... >>>> >>>> Although you can use a Baum CS2000/iScan D90 for some of the more >>>> mundane >>> stuff... >>>> >>>> BTW, my E300's have both the OBDII and the OBD connector, and if I >>>> am not >>> mistaken, when you have both, you should use the 38 pin round connector. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> John W Reames >>>> jream...@verizon.net >>>> Home: +14106646986 >>>> Mobile: +14437915905 >>>> >>>> On Feb 20, 2013, at 17:56, "Kaleb C. Striplin" >> wrote: >>>> >>>>> You have to have the full blown Xentry system to do anything on >>>>> that >> car. >>>>> >>>>> On 2/15/2013 12:13 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: >>>>>> Just for grins I ordered an adapter that allows the connection of >>>>>> an >>> ODBII reader to the 38 pin diagnostic connector on my S500, which is >>> one year prior to the adoption of ODBII. >>>>>> >>>>>> I can't seem to find anything that describes what I should be able >>>>>> to >>> see on
Re: [MBZ] ODBII & MB Diagnostic Connector
Our local indy has the scanner/computer at his shop, so it was never a problem to pull codes. Though I've heard of people successfully pulling codes from homemade readers, they are usually just about as helpful as an OBDII code: enough to point you in the right direction, but far from specifically diagnosing the problem. Also, there are supposedly different 'banks' of codes, so to speak, held in different control modules and the homemade readers can only read one 'bank' (module). For detailed information/codes regarding modules other than the diagnostic module, the proper scanner and diagnostic connector is required. I would be cautious using any kind of homemade reader, or any other 'cheap' reader for that matter, as all of the car's control modules are right there connected to the CAN bus. One plug in of a faulty scanner may be all it takes to zap all of the control modules ($$$ to replace at $1,500+ a piece from the dealership). There is a great website that I like to visit now and again by an S500 coupe enthusiast who goes by his (what I assume to be) Ham Radio handle of K6JRF. The website can be found here: http://www.k6jrf.com/MB_S500.html He has a lot of great articles regarding engine maintenance, diagnostic test procedures, repair articles, etc. on the C140. It's a great start for someone who is new to the C140, but it's nowhere close to being a sufficient replacement for WIS. He's even got the DTC codes you seek, in addition to instructions on how to make your own scanner. Hope this helps and please feel free to ask any other questions you may have. Regards, Tarek -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan Penoff Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 11:22 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] ODBII & MB Diagnostic Connector How did you pull codes? Did you use one of the LED setups I see people making? Also, does anyone know of a source that lists all of the DST codes? I see bits and pieces around the Web, but there doesn't seem to be a concise list anywhere that I have found. Dan On Feb 21, 2013, at 10:10 AM, TE wrote: > Well, you're right; I can't say I've done any serious > digging/disassembly under the driver's side footwell, but anytime I've > pulled codes it's always been through the diagnostic port under the > hood on that car. If there is one, it's got to be buried in there, > because it's definitely not mounted out in the open where it should be. > > Your C140 was manufactured in March, IIRC, so maybe it missed the > OBDII. How are things going with it otherwise? If you have any > questions, feel free to ask; hopefully I can be of some help. > > -Original Message- > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan > Penoff > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 10:58 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] ODBII & MB Diagnostic Connector > > I haven't looked - did you ever look for one? > > I ask because there were some late 95 models that did get them. > > I'll poke my head down there tonight after I get home and see. > > Dan > > On Feb 21, 2013, at 9:48 AM, TE wrote: > >> Correction, no OBDII port on your C140. :-) >> >> -----Original Message- >> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of >> Dan Penoff >> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 10:34 PM >> To: Mercedes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] ODBII & MB Diagnostic Connector >> >> I would take exception to that. Any 1996 and later car sold in the US >> had to have ODBII. I just looked at a 96 S600 that was at the local >> dealer yesterday and it had the connector right by the parking brake > pedal. >> >> And they wanted an exorbitant amount of money for the car, too. >> >> Dan >> >> On Feb 21, 2013, at 9:13 AM, TE wrote: >> >>> Dan, >>> >>> No OBDII connector on the C140. Only the diagnostic port under the >>> hood in the control module box near the passenger firewall. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of >>> Dan Penoff >>> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 8:46 PM >>> To: Mercedes Discussion List >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] ODBII & MB Diagnostic Connector >>> >>> My car was built right at the transition to OBDII, so I need to look >>> under the dash and see if there is a connector. >>> >>> I'll be under it this weekend, so I will try to remember to look then. >>> >>> Dan >>> >&
Re: [MBZ] ODBII & MB Diagnostic Connector
Yep, that's right, not all the signals are available on the OBDII connector, as not everything is on the CAN bus(ses)... But they are all wired into the 37 pin OBD connector -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Feb 20, 2013, at 21:21, "Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote: > When I try to hook my sds to the obd it makes me hook it to the round one > under the hood instead > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 20, 2013, at 8:09 PM, John Reames wrote: > >> Actually, just SDS will work, Xentry is kinda overkill. >> >> If you buy an eBay multiplexer, buy one with two round connectors on the >> brick; they may be "3rd shift" versions from the same factory that >> makes/made the original ones. >> >> Avoid the ones that have a RS-232 on the MUX directly. >> >> You will also want a ThinkPad T30... >> >> Although you can use a Baum CS2000/iScan D90 for some of the more mundane >> stuff... >> >> BTW, my E300's have both the OBDII and the OBD connector, and if I am not >> mistaken, when you have both, you should use the 38 pin round connector. >> >> >> >> -- >> John W Reames >> jream...@verizon.net >> Home: +14106646986 >> Mobile: +14437915905 >> >> On Feb 20, 2013, at 17:56, "Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote: >> >>> You have to have the full blown Xentry system to do anything on that car. >>> >>> On 2/15/2013 12:13 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Just for grins I ordered an adapter that allows the connection of an ODBII reader to the 38 pin diagnostic connector on my S500, which is one year prior to the adoption of ODBII. I can't seem to find anything that describes what I should be able to see on the reader when I connect it to the car. For $3.00 I'm willing to risk a try, just curious as to if anyone else has ever used one of these. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6099 - Release Date: 02/12/13 Internal Virus Database is out of date. >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ODBII & MB Diagnostic Connector
It threw a rod and is now in my back yard Sent from my iPhone On Feb 21, 2013, at 9:10 AM, "TE" wrote: > Well, you're right; I can't say I've done any serious digging/disassembly > under the driver's side footwell, but anytime I've pulled codes it's always > been through the diagnostic port under the hood on that car. If there is > one, it's got to be buried in there, because it's definitely not mounted out > in the open where it should be. > > Your C140 was manufactured in March, IIRC, so maybe it missed the OBDII. How > are things going with it otherwise? If you have any questions, feel free to > ask; hopefully I can be of some help. > > -Original Message- > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan > Penoff > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 10:58 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] ODBII & MB Diagnostic Connector > > I haven't looked - did you ever look for one? > > I ask because there were some late 95 models that did get them. > > I'll poke my head down there tonight after I get home and see. > > Dan > > On Feb 21, 2013, at 9:48 AM, TE wrote: > >> Correction, no OBDII port on your C140. :-) >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan >> Penoff >> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 10:34 PM >> To: Mercedes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] ODBII & MB Diagnostic Connector >> >> I would take exception to that. Any 1996 and later car sold in the US >> had to have ODBII. I just looked at a 96 S600 that was at the local >> dealer yesterday and it had the connector right by the parking brake > pedal. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ODBII & MB Diagnostic Connector
LOL yea right. You wish it was in your backyard... -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 8:40 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] ODBII & MB Diagnostic Connector It threw a rod and is now in my back yard Sent from my iPhone On Feb 21, 2013, at 9:10 AM, "TE" wrote: > Well, you're right; I can't say I've done any serious > digging/disassembly under the driver's side footwell, but anytime I've > pulled codes it's always been through the diagnostic port under the > hood on that car. If there is one, it's got to be buried in there, > because it's definitely not mounted out in the open where it should be. > > Your C140 was manufactured in March, IIRC, so maybe it missed the > OBDII. How are things going with it otherwise? If you have any > questions, feel free to ask; hopefully I can be of some help. > > -Original Message- > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan > Penoff > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 10:58 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] ODBII & MB Diagnostic Connector > > I haven't looked - did you ever look for one? > > I ask because there were some late 95 models that did get them. > > I'll poke my head down there tonight after I get home and see. > > Dan > > On Feb 21, 2013, at 9:48 AM, TE wrote: > >> Correction, no OBDII port on your C140. :-) >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of >> Dan Penoff >> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 10:34 PM >> To: Mercedes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] ODBII & MB Diagnostic Connector >> >> I would take exception to that. Any 1996 and later car sold in the US >> had to have ODBII. I just looked at a 96 S600 that was at the local >> dealer yesterday and it had the connector right by the parking brake > pedal. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ODBII & MB Diagnostic Connector
I would like to find one of the scanners that would read my car's DTCs. Looks like there are a number of different ones out there. I like the smaller hand held ones as opposed to the beasts like the SnapOn MT2500, plus you need to purchase all sorts of keys and "personality modules" for it to work. Any suggestions for sources other than the obvious, like eBay? Dan On Feb 21, 2013, at 1:40 PM, John Reames wrote: > Yep, that's right, not all the signals are available on the OBDII connector, > as not everything is on the CAN bus(ses)... But they are all wired into the > 37 pin OBD connector > > -- > John W Reames > jream...@verizon.net > Home: +14106646986 > Mobile: +14437915905 > > On Feb 20, 2013, at 21:21, "Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote: > >> When I try to hook my sds to the obd it makes me hook it to the round one >> under the hood instead >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Feb 20, 2013, at 8:09 PM, John Reames wrote: >> >>> Actually, just SDS will work, Xentry is kinda overkill. >>> >>> If you buy an eBay multiplexer, buy one with two round connectors on the >>> brick; they may be "3rd shift" versions from the same factory that >>> makes/made the original ones. >>> >>> Avoid the ones that have a RS-232 on the MUX directly. >>> >>> You will also want a ThinkPad T30... >>> >>> Although you can use a Baum CS2000/iScan D90 for some of the more mundane >>> stuff... >>> >>> BTW, my E300's have both the OBDII and the OBD connector, and if I am not >>> mistaken, when you have both, you should use the 38 pin round connector. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> John W Reames >>> jream...@verizon.net >>> Home: +14106646986 >>> Mobile: +14437915905 >>> >>> On Feb 20, 2013, at 17:56, "Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote: >>> You have to have the full blown Xentry system to do anything on that car. On 2/15/2013 12:13 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: > Just for grins I ordered an adapter that allows the connection of an > ODBII reader to the 38 pin diagnostic connector on my S500, which is one > year prior to the adoption of ODBII. > > I can't seem to find anything that describes what I should be able to see > on the reader when I connect it to the car. > > For $3.00 I'm willing to risk a try, just curious as to if anyone else > has ever used one of these. > > Dan > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > - > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2639/6099 - Release Date: 02/12/13 > Internal Virus Database is out of date. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ODBII & MB Diagnostic Connector
Dan Penoff wrote: I would like to find one of the scanners that would read my car's DTCs. Does Carsoft work with the OBDI or only OBDII? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ODBII & MB Diagnostic Connector
Who is this indy? Would you trust him with an older model? I assume you mean "local" to Cary, not China. :) Thanks, Tim > On Feb 21, 2013 10:52 AM, "TE" wrote: >> >> Our local indy has the scanner/computer at his shop, so it was never a >> problem to pull codes. Though I've heard of people successfully pulling >> codes from homemade readers, they are usually just about as helpful as an >> OBDII code: enough to point you in the right direction, but far from >> specifically diagnosing the problem. >> >> Also, there are supposedly different 'banks' of codes, so to speak, held in >> different control modules and the homemade readers can only read one 'bank' >> (module). For detailed information/codes regarding modules other than the >> diagnostic module, the proper scanner and diagnostic connector is required. >> >> I would be cautious using any kind of homemade reader, or any other 'cheap' >> reader for that matter, as all of the car's control modules are right there >> connected to the CAN bus. One plug in of a faulty scanner may be all it >> takes to zap all of the control modules ($$$ to replace at $1,500+ a piece >> from the dealership). >> >> There is a great website that I like to visit now and again by an S500 coupe >> enthusiast who goes by his (what I assume to be) Ham Radio handle of K6JRF. >> The website can be found here: http://www.k6jrf.com/MB_S500.html >> >> He has a lot of great articles regarding engine maintenance, diagnostic test >> procedures, repair articles, etc. on the C140. It's a great start for >> someone who is new to the C140, but it's nowhere close to being a sufficient >> replacement for WIS. He's even got the DTC codes you seek, in addition to >> instructions on how to make your own scanner. >> >> Hope this helps and please feel free to ask any other questions you may >> have. >> >> Regards, >> >> Tarek >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan >> Penoff >> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 11:22 PM >> To: Mercedes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] ODBII & MB Diagnostic Connector >> >> How did you pull codes? Did you use one of the LED setups I see people >> making? >> >> Also, does anyone know of a source that lists all of the DST codes? >> >> I see bits and pieces around the Web, but there doesn't seem to be a concise >> list anywhere that I have found. >> >> Dan >> >> On Feb 21, 2013, at 10:10 AM, TE wrote: >> >> > Well, you're right; I can't say I've done any serious >> > digging/disassembly under the driver's side footwell, but anytime I've >> > pulled codes it's always been through the diagnostic port under the >> > hood on that car. If there is one, it's got to be buried in there, >> > because it's definitely not mounted out in the open where it should be. >> > >> > Your C140 was manufactured in March, IIRC, so maybe it missed the >> > OBDII. How are things going with it otherwise? If you have any >> > questions, feel free to ask; hopefully I can be of some help. >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan >> > Penoff >> > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 10:58 PM >> > To: Mercedes Discussion List >> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] ODBII & MB Diagnostic Connector >> > >> > I haven't looked - did you ever look for one? >> > >> > I ask because there were some late 95 models that did get them. >> > >> > I'll poke my head down there tonight after I get home and see. >> > >> > Dan >> > >> > On Feb 21, 2013, at 9:48 AM, TE wrote: >> > >> >> Correction, no OBDII port on your C140. :-) >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> >> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of >> >> Dan Penoff >> >> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 10:34 PM >> >> To: Mercedes Discussion List >> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] ODBII & MB Diagnostic Connector >> >> >> >> I would take exception to that. Any 1996 and later car sold in the US >> >> had to have ODBII. I just looked at a 96 S600 that was at the local >> >> dealer yesterday and it had the connector right by the parking brake >> > peda
Re: [MBZ] ODBII & MB Diagnostic Connector
Classic Performance Auto 1012 Trinity Road Raleigh, NC 27607 (919) 233-5381 They work on just about everything, but they specialize in Mercedes from 1960+. All four of the mechanics have a combined 140 years of experience working on German cars. We have used them for over a decade and couldn't be happier with the service. Tarek -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Tim Crone Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 12:03 PM To: Mercedes List Subject: Re: [MBZ] ODBII & MB Diagnostic Connector Who is this indy? Would you trust him with an older model? I assume you mean "local" to Cary, not China. :) Thanks, Tim > On Feb 21, 2013 10:52 AM, "TE" wrote: >> >> Our local indy has the scanner/computer at his shop, so it was never >> a problem to pull codes. Though I've heard of people successfully >> pulling codes from homemade readers, they are usually just about as >> helpful as an OBDII code: enough to point you in the right direction, >> but far from specifically diagnosing the problem. >> >> Also, there are supposedly different 'banks' of codes, so to speak, >> held in >> different control modules and the homemade readers can only read one 'bank' >> (module). For detailed information/codes regarding modules other than >> the diagnostic module, the proper scanner and diagnostic connector is required. >> >> I would be cautious using any kind of homemade reader, or any other 'cheap' >> reader for that matter, as all of the car's control modules are right there >> connected to the CAN bus. One plug in of a faulty scanner may be all >> it takes to zap all of the control modules ($$$ to replace at $1,500+ >> a piece >> from the dealership). >> >> There is a great website that I like to visit now and again by an >> S500 coupe >> enthusiast who goes by his (what I assume to be) Ham Radio handle of K6JRF. >> The website can be found here: http://www.k6jrf.com/MB_S500.html >> >> He has a lot of great articles regarding engine maintenance, >> diagnostic test >> procedures, repair articles, etc. on the C140. It's a great start for >> someone who is new to the C140, but it's nowhere close to being a sufficient >> replacement for WIS. He's even got the DTC codes you seek, in >> addition to instructions on how to make your own scanner. >> >> Hope this helps and please feel free to ask any other questions you >> may have. >> >> Regards, >> >> Tarek >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of >> Dan Penoff >> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 11:22 PM >> To: Mercedes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] ODBII & MB Diagnostic Connector >> >> How did you pull codes? Did you use one of the LED setups I see >> people making? >> >> Also, does anyone know of a source that lists all of the DST codes? >> >> I see bits and pieces around the Web, but there doesn't seem to be a concise >> list anywhere that I have found. >> >> Dan >> >> On Feb 21, 2013, at 10:10 AM, TE wrote: >> >> > Well, you're right; I can't say I've done any serious >> > digging/disassembly under the driver's side footwell, but anytime >> > I've pulled codes it's always been through the diagnostic port >> > under the hood on that car. If there is one, it's got to be buried >> > in there, because it's definitely not mounted out in the open where it should be. >> > >> > Your C140 was manufactured in March, IIRC, so maybe it missed the >> > OBDII. How are things going with it otherwise? If you have any >> > questions, feel free to ask; hopefully I can be of some help. >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of >> > Dan Penoff >> > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 10:58 PM >> > To: Mercedes Discussion List >> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] ODBII & MB Diagnostic Connector >> > >> > I haven't looked - did you ever look for one? >> > >> > I ask because there were some late 95 models that did get them. >> > >> > I'll poke my head down there tonight after I get home and see. >> > >> > Dan >> > >> > On Feb 21, 2013, at 9:48 AM, TE wrote: >> > >> >> Correction, no OBDII port on your C140. :-) >> >> >> >>
Re: [MBZ] ODBII & MB Diagnostic Connector
> TE wrote: > Classic Performance Auto > All four of the mechanics have a combined > 140 years of experience working on German cars. Ah! So one of them has 137 years experience and the other three have one year each! And this makes me wonder - can a mechanic tally "book hours" to accumulate experience? 2000 book hours = one years? -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ODBII & MB Diagnostic Connector
There's also: Tim Mize D & E Quality Ser. Discovery Dr. Raleigh 919-872-7771 - Original Message - From: "TE" To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 12:06 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] ODBII & MB Diagnostic Connector Classic Performance Auto 1012 Trinity Road Raleigh, NC 27607 (919) 233-5381 They work on just about everything, but they specialize in Mercedes from 1960+. All four of the mechanics have a combined 140 years of experience working on German cars. We have used them for over a decade and couldn't be happier with the service. Tarek -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Tim Crone Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 12:03 PM To: Mercedes List Subject: Re: [MBZ] ODBII & MB Diagnostic Connector Who is this indy? Would you trust him with an older model? I assume you mean "local" to Cary, not China. :) Thanks, Tim On Feb 21, 2013 10:52 AM, "TE" wrote: Our local indy has the scanner/computer at his shop, so it was never a problem to pull codes. Though I've heard of people successfully pulling codes from homemade readers, they are usually just about as helpful as an OBDII code: enough to point you in the right direction, but far from specifically diagnosing the problem. Also, there are supposedly different 'banks' of codes, so to speak, held in different control modules and the homemade readers can only read one 'bank' (module). For detailed information/codes regarding modules other than the diagnostic module, the proper scanner and diagnostic connector is required. I would be cautious using any kind of homemade reader, or any other 'cheap' reader for that matter, as all of the car's control modules are right there connected to the CAN bus. One plug in of a faulty scanner may be all it takes to zap all of the control modules ($$$ to replace at $1,500+ a piece from the dealership). There is a great website that I like to visit now and again by an S500 coupe enthusiast who goes by his (what I assume to be) Ham Radio handle of K6JRF. The website can be found here: http://www.k6jrf.com/MB_S500.html He has a lot of great articles regarding engine maintenance, diagnostic test procedures, repair articles, etc. on the C140. It's a great start for someone who is new to the C140, but it's nowhere close to being a sufficient replacement for WIS. He's even got the DTC codes you seek, in addition to instructions on how to make your own scanner. Hope this helps and please feel free to ask any other questions you may have. Regards, Tarek -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan Penoff Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 11:22 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] ODBII & MB Diagnostic Connector How did you pull codes? Did you use one of the LED setups I see people making? Also, does anyone know of a source that lists all of the DST codes? I see bits and pieces around the Web, but there doesn't seem to be a concise list anywhere that I have found. Dan On Feb 21, 2013, at 10:10 AM, TE wrote: > Well, you're right; I can't say I've done any serious > digging/disassembly under the driver's side footwell, but anytime > I've pulled codes it's always been through the diagnostic port > under the hood on that car. If there is one, it's got to be buried > in there, because it's definitely not mounted out in the open where it should be. > > Your C140 was manufactured in March, IIRC, so maybe it missed the > OBDII. How are things going with it otherwise? If you have any > questions, feel free to ask; hopefully I can be of some help. > > -----Original Message- > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of > Dan Penoff > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 10:58 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] ODBII & MB Diagnostic Connector > > I haven't looked - did you ever look for one? > > I ask because there were some late 95 models that did get them. > > I'll poke my head down there tonight after I get home and see. > > Dan > > On Feb 21, 2013, at 9:48 AM, TE wrote: > >> Correction, no OBDII port on your C140. :-) >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of >> Dan Penoff >> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 10:34 PM >> To: Mercedes Discussion List >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] ODBII & MB Diagnostic Connector >> >> I would take exception to that. Any 1996 and later car sold in the >> US had to have ODBII. I just looked at a 96 S600 that was at the >> local dealer yesterday and it had the
Re: [MBZ] ODBII & MB Diagnostic Connector
Who is this indy? Would you trust him with an older model? I assume you mean "local" to Cary, not China. :) Thanks, Tim On Feb 21, 2013 10:52 AM, "TE" wrote: > Our local indy has the scanner/computer at his shop, so it was never a > problem to pull codes. Though I've heard of people successfully pulling > codes from homemade readers, they are usually just about as helpful as an > OBDII code: enough to point you in the right direction, but far from > specifically diagnosing the problem. > > Also, there are supposedly different 'banks' of codes, so to speak, held in > different control modules and the homemade readers can only read one 'bank' > (module). For detailed information/codes regarding modules other than the > diagnostic module, the proper scanner and diagnostic connector is required. > > I would be cautious using any kind of homemade reader, or any other 'cheap' > reader for that matter, as all of the car's control modules are right there > connected to the CAN bus. One plug in of a faulty scanner may be all it > takes to zap all of the control modules ($$$ to replace at $1,500+ a piece > from the dealership). > > There is a great website that I like to visit now and again by an S500 > coupe > enthusiast who goes by his (what I assume to be) Ham Radio handle of K6JRF. > The website can be found here: http://www.k6jrf.com/MB_S500.html > > He has a lot of great articles regarding engine maintenance, diagnostic > test > procedures, repair articles, etc. on the C140. It's a great start for > someone who is new to the C140, but it's nowhere close to being a > sufficient > replacement for WIS. He's even got the DTC codes you seek, in addition to > instructions on how to make your own scanner. > > Hope this helps and please feel free to ask any other questions you may > have. > > Regards, > > Tarek > > > -Original Message----- > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan > Penoff > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 11:22 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] ODBII & MB Diagnostic Connector > > How did you pull codes? Did you use one of the LED setups I see people > making? > > Also, does anyone know of a source that lists all of the DST codes? > > I see bits and pieces around the Web, but there doesn't seem to be a > concise > list anywhere that I have found. > > Dan > > On Feb 21, 2013, at 10:10 AM, TE wrote: > > > Well, you're right; I can't say I've done any serious > > digging/disassembly under the driver's side footwell, but anytime I've > > pulled codes it's always been through the diagnostic port under the > > hood on that car. If there is one, it's got to be buried in there, > > because it's definitely not mounted out in the open where it should be. > > > > Your C140 was manufactured in March, IIRC, so maybe it missed the > > OBDII. How are things going with it otherwise? If you have any > > questions, feel free to ask; hopefully I can be of some help. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan > > Penoff > > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 10:58 PM > > To: Mercedes Discussion List > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] ODBII & MB Diagnostic Connector > > > > I haven't looked - did you ever look for one? > > > > I ask because there were some late 95 models that did get them. > > > > I'll poke my head down there tonight after I get home and see. > > > > Dan > > > > On Feb 21, 2013, at 9:48 AM, TE wrote: > > > >> Correction, no OBDII port on your C140. :-) > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of > >> Dan Penoff > >> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 10:34 PM > >> To: Mercedes Discussion List > >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] ODBII & MB Diagnostic Connector > >> > >> I would take exception to that. Any 1996 and later car sold in the US > >> had to have ODBII. I just looked at a 96 S600 that was at the local > >> dealer yesterday and it had the connector right by the parking brake > > pedal. > >> > >> And they wanted an exorbitant amount of money for the car, too. > >> > >> Dan > >> > >> On Feb 21, 2013, at 9:13 AM, TE wrote: > >> > >>> Dan, > >>> > >>> No OBDII connector on the C140. Only the diagnostic port under the > >>> hood in the contr
